[00:14] would anyone care to hazard a guess why my tty2 is currently in some video mode that my monitor doesn't support (which I believe to be X running in 2048x1600), instead of tty7 as usual? [00:14] spawned another x? [00:16] a second X should be on tty8 usually [00:16] yeah [00:16] program doing stuff with a framebuffer ? [00:16] idunno [00:27] I don't know, but it does seem like lucid does that off and on === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [01:01] anyone know what is changing with the new versions of xorg that are going in? [01:02] http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/ [01:02] hmm, my bootcharts are there. [01:03] 45 seconds. [01:03] er, more like 60. [01:19] I am trying to do a partial upgrade and it seems to tell me that there is a problem with virtual-ose. I should remove the program. Is this a known problem? [01:20] probably just needs to be updated [01:20] I tried that and it says that it is broken. [01:20] i ment the package itself [01:21] just leave it i suppose? [01:24] Nope, only solution is to remove virtual box altogether. [01:24] trying to upgrade from karmic? [01:25] well you could remove it and try forcing the installation of the broken package and see if it works i guess? [01:25] Nope, just update. I removed virtualbox and all is well. [01:25] yeah.. [01:25] Hey, it's a Beta [01:26] Alpha? [01:30] alpha [01:33] * sparr patiently waits for a new nvidia driver [01:33] Yup, updated just fine now. Now issues. [01:35] just a heads up not to update right now until you get mesa with the updates :D [01:36] How do I turn off join/part messages in XChat permanently? [01:37] big change moving libGL to alternatives to accomidate nvidia and the required mesa update isn't published yet so things are broken [01:37] lol @ "things are broken" [01:37] Bookman: /ignore #channel QUITS, JOINS etc [01:37] maybe without the , [01:39] Nope [01:39] I'm sure that there is just a one line global command. [01:39] probably [01:47] what is the syntax to install a particular version of a package via apt-get? [01:47] I'm going to try downgrading X [01:51] help: Stuck in low graphics mode after last update [01:54] pasjr: better than stuck in no graphics mode :( some of us have no X at all today [01:54] great, so I have to do a reinstall then [01:54] sparr: apt-get install = [01:54] yofel: thanks [01:55] sparr: or / [01:55] do I have to reinstall to fix? [01:55] probably not, patience could help [01:55] reinstalling might be faster [01:55] pasjr: it would help to know your graphics card [01:57] I would psot it but I just lost all; graphics trying a sudo -s lshw [01:57] I can not see anything [01:57] trying to reboot [01:58] all I'm interested in is the output of 'lspci | grep VGA' [01:59] yofel: can be "karmic"? [02:00] sparr: yes [02:00] this is almost certainly not going to work, but better than trying nothing [02:00] sparr: what exactly are you trying to do anyway? [02:01] get X working [02:01] by whatever method works [02:02] right now I am trying to downgrade X back to karmic [02:02] ahh... [02:02] always makes things harder that ubuntu only keeps one version of each package in each release [02:04] I can not get my graphics info tried twice and lost all graphics [02:04] I fear I need to roll back to 9.04 [02:04] pasjr: and does 'lspci | grep VGA' work? (no sudo) [02:04] no term I lose my graphics just opening it [02:04] no tty? [02:05] nothing [02:05] hm... [02:05] has this been a big issue today? [02:06] I am not sure where to look to fix or find the problem to file a bug [02:07] pasjr@PASJR-TOSHIBA:~$ lspci | grep VGA [02:07] 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] [02:07] pasjr@PASJR-TOSHIBA:~$ [02:07] well, with many new X related package coming in today it's not surprizing that something broke [02:07] just got my info [02:07] oh, I don't know anything about ATI to be honest [02:07] iirc DanaG has one [02:08] And it seems that we're playing “make binary drivers not break mesa", too. That's going to be fun. [02:08] I know that both 9.10 and now 10.04 I can not use my ATI drivers in Ubuntu [02:08] RAOF: oh oh... [02:08] is it the linux kernel or ubuntu? [02:09] pasjr: as I said, no idea, but do you mean the open source driver or fglrx? [02:09] fglrx [02:10] DanaG: ping, awake? [02:11] i am going to try and uninstall fglrx, it shows up as installed and see what happens [02:13] oh yeah [02:13] pasjr: try renaming your xorg.conf so that X runs on auto-configuration [02:13] on the long list of things broken with a recent update... [02:13] when booting fails and I get dropped to a root console [02:13] I ALSO have a login console [02:14] both on tty1 [02:14] competing for input [02:14] and mixing output [02:14] I will try that [02:14] sparrL: I actually got that too yesterday after a NFS mount failed on boot [02:15] tty1 == unusable [02:15] oh [02:15] I'm back now. [02:15] fglrx is a no-go with the Lucid X server. [02:15] RS780 can't use fglrx anywhere, though. [02:15] no but it installed upon last update [02:19] just reporting what my computer tells me trying to reboot after a few changes [02:23] hmm, for rs780, you should just plain remove fglrx. [02:23] har: "Stale NFS File Handle" on ext2 sd-card. [02:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/391094 [02:23] Launchpad bug 391094 in glibc "the "stale NFS file handle" error should be reworded" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:23] Badly-woreded message. [02:23] worded. [02:24] UIzasking4CheezeburgerThatHaslongSinceBinetun [02:24] there [02:46] I have had no luck, I am going to try a install of the daily build to see if it dose the same [03:07] farewell ubuntu [03:16] I wonder if Ubuntu will make Alpha 2 on time? [03:16] note to self: don't untar ARM binaries in home dir bin. [03:16] =þ [03:18] DanaG: If we'd implemented multiarch right, that would have Just Worked™ :) [03:18] With a little judicious qemu. [03:18] well, I would've liked it to have said "hey, that didn't work; let's try the next one." [03:19] You probably don't actually want that behaviour :) [03:43] !ops [03:43] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, Madpilot, tritium, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia! [03:43] uh... don't abuse that command. [03:44] !ops [03:44] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, Madpilot, tritium, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia! [03:44] !ops [03:44] you cant ban [03:44] me [03:44] sure? [03:44] or i do the hogan legdrop to ubuntu [03:45] !ops [03:45] seems !ops summons all u ops [03:45] HulkHogan: you are going to get yourself banned [03:45] i dont care.... [03:45] IdleOne: klined, more likely [03:46] Hobbsee: :) [03:46] again i dont care if i am klined [03:46] IdleOne: it's what he's always aiming for. seems he's just a very bored kid [03:46] till i start college [03:46] I feel sorry for him then [03:46] morphin time [03:46] Gold Ranger power [03:46] seems that wasted energy could be put to better use [03:46] HulkHogan: Learn to code. It's fun! [03:46] tried [03:46] i use ps3 [03:47] and watch TNA [03:47] you know HulkHogan is like 60+ years old right [03:47] no in his 50s [03:47] I mean he was old when I was a kid [03:47] !ops [03:47] yeah [03:48] !ops [03:48] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, Madpilot, tritium, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia! [03:48] you aren't to bright I see [03:48] nope [03:48] !ops [03:48] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, Madpilot, tritium, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia! [03:48] the ops get notified even when they aren't in the channel [03:48] I know [03:49] I expect to be klined in 5 mins [03:49] lol [03:51] elky: you have an o-line? [04:37] night all\ [04:47] what's the difference between ban and "kline"? [04:49] kline kills/kickbans your connection to the irc server itself, rather than a single channel [04:49] ah. [05:59] <_Cynthia> I have a bug on the Alpha1 LiveCD and wish to know if anyone else has it. Basically, you open an application (any application) and you go to File/Open. You click once on a file, then double-click the same file. It doesn't open. You must triple-click it. [05:59] <_Cynthia> or double-click it five times or so [05:59] <_Cynthia> I'm using the Lucid amd64 standard CD. [06:02] <_Cynthia> gnome [06:21] any experts on nvidia breakage? [06:47] hi [06:47] how the new gnome look like? [06:47] will look like [08:16] Hi, I heard here yesterday that the proprietary nvidia drivers would be working today... I see 185 in jockey, should I go ahead and install it? I have 8600M GT. === \vish is now known as vish === MTeck-Linux is now known as MTeck-ricer [09:58] good morning [09:58] i think i found a part of the solution to umlauts not working [09:59] i have GTK_IM_MODULE set to xim [09:59] if i unset it and then start gedit, umlauts work again in that application [11:40] I broke X with a recent update (lucid), can anyone tell me how to list recently updated packages to nail it down? (Google fails me) [11:53] foolip: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue [12:03] Hi, I just posted the following to ubuntu-help, but afterwards I noted this channel, which seems perhaps more appropriate [12:03] I hope someone knows how to fix the following problem: yesterday I upgraded my Lucid install and this morning it wouldn't start gdm. From the logs, the problem seems to be hald, which indeed isn't running. There isn't any init.d script starting hald, so I guess that is the ultimate cause. Now I can start hald by hand, but if I do that and start gdm, it doesn't respond to any keyboard/mouse [12:03] jpds: thanks, found a suspicous libdrm update [12:03] ovements. I've tried restarting udev and dbus after starting hald (and in some other orders), but keyboard and mouse stay 'dead' [12:03] I guess the problem may be that the hald should be started with proper parameters, but I'm not really sure which ones they are. Does anyone have a clue for me? [12:06] i think hald isn't used anymore in lucid [12:12] Well, gdm is certainly complaining about its absense [12:12] What has hald been replaced by? [12:13] dunno … [12:23] I was wondering, is the plan to include Gnome 3 in Ubuntu 10.04? [12:23] nope [12:23] it's suposed to be a LTS [12:23] So stable over bleeding edge? [12:24] yeh [12:24] Sounds like a good plan, I haven't heard much about Gnome 3.0 but from what I have heard they might have similar issues that KDE had with version 4 (was it 4?) [12:25] altough that won't stop the Teams Of Awesome(OLS,DX,Design) from putting their goodies in [12:38] hum, we still have the locales bug [12:38] yes [12:39] joaopinto: do you have GTK_IM_MODULE set? [12:39] knittl, no, was I supposed to :) ? [12:39] no, but it helped me today [12:39] i just noted now that my locale is set to "C" [12:39] i use a different keyboard layout with it's own compose table [12:40] so i had set it to xim [12:40] erm wait [12:40] if i unset it, umlauts worked again [12:40] can someone else pastebin /etc/environment ? [12:40] but i can't start gdm right now, due to grapics driver/X/gdm bugs [12:40] it seems sun's jre overwite mine, which had the language setting [12:41] /etc/environment, anyone :) [12:42] here: http://paste2.org/p/601174 [12:43] hum, your system is set to english right ? [12:43] yes [12:44] joaopinto: can you please try: echo $GTK_IM_MODULE [12:44] knittl, It is not set, I did an echo | grep GTK [12:45] echo what? [12:45] hm, strange. but you don't have umlauts either? [12:45] I don't have them either, but I have another problem, my locale was set to C [12:45] mine too [12:46] so the problem is there, GTK_IM_MODULE is irrelevant :P [12:46] without gdm they seem to be en_US.UTF-8 [12:46] I am running from gdm [12:46] oh you mean gdm is setting it to C [12:46] well, unsetting GTK_IM_MODULE and starting gedit brought my umlauts back for gedit [12:46] yes, gdm seems to interfere [12:47] I have umlauuts on gdm [12:47] ops [12:47] on gedit [12:47] just not on the terminal [12:47] gnome-terminal? [12:47] terminator [12:47] o [12:47] sorry, brb [12:47] * ok [12:59] Lucid Lynx heh [13:10] OK, status seems to be: gdm requires hal to provide core input devices, but since hal 0.5.14-0ubuntu2 (which I installed yesterday), hal isn't started at boot time anymore, although it should still be made available via dbus (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/hal/+changelog) However, this doesn't seem to work for me [13:11] Bacta: yep, KDE 4.0 was more a tech-preview than a usable desktop environment, Lucid will have 4.4 which is pretty nice so far [13:12] Confusion: what happens when you run 'sudo start gdm' ? [13:12] yofel: gdm starts, but it isn't responding to keyboard and mouse, requiring a hard reboot [13:12] It was unuseable on my machine ;) [13:13] Interestingly enough, gdm doesn't start on boot: it drops to a console [13:13] Confusion: ah yes, someone else mentioned the same yesterday [13:14] yofel: Did he manage to solve it? [13:14] sounds like broken X server [13:14] bugabandoo had the same problem [13:14] (perhaps simply by downgrading to the previous hal package?) [13:14] knittl: thx :) [13:15] but iirc he had an xserver package which he hadn't updated in weeks [13:15] knittl: What about the kernel or one of the xserver-xorg-whatever packages? [13:15] penguin42: dunno, i have different problems [13:15] knittl: Hmmm, now that you, I have some xserver-xorg package on Hold, because I couldn't upgrade them, as it would create a broken situation [13:16] *now that you say that, I remember* [13:16] gdm starts from console, but i often get "low graphics mode" messages on boot [13:16] and i removed hal yesterday [13:16] my system is still booting fine (a laptop with no external kbd or mouse though) [13:16] well, I can't test it right now, since I have a dependency mess right now with the KDE 4.4 RC1 coming [13:17] and any update will break my system [13:17] Confusion: yes, having xserver packages on hold might be a reason it's not working [13:17] i'm still waiting for working nv{,idia,ouveau} drivers here :) [13:17] Hmmm, unfortunately I also can't get the network running from the console; so I'll have to move the packages there by flash or something [13:18] wops, * n{ouveau,v{,idia}} :D [13:18] (I took the config from my Debian laptop, but that doesn't quite work) [13:18] Confusion: wireless network? [13:18] Yeah [13:18] no wired network at hand …? [13:19] knittl: I guess that's what it's going to have to be, but between finding a cable that's long enough and laying the cable so I don't trip over it, moving the package via flash drive may be faster :P [13:20] lolz [13:25] *sigh* [13:26] the new nvidia drivers are built since a few hours ago but the binary packages are in wait-approval state -.- [13:26] * knittl is waiting for them :D [13:26] one could even say craving [13:26] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/190.53-0ubuntu1/+build/1437087 [13:26] yofel: can you give me a quick guide on how to install them correctly? [13:26] the amd64 build [13:27] are the i386 finished already? i don't want to fire up elinks for this *grin* [13:27] knittl: if I understood bjsnider correctly yesterday, purge any drivers you have right now and install 'nvidia-current' [13:27] ok, this is still the recommended way? just wanted to make sure [13:27] what about installation with jockey? [13:28] knittl: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/190.53-0ubuntu1/+build/1437088 i386 [13:28] they're built, but not yet approved for release in the archive... [13:28] ok [13:29] knittl: well, can't say, I haven't used jockey for at least a year now ^^ [13:29] ok, so it's okay to not use it :D [13:29] knittl: well I hope so, though they should show up in jockey without problems [13:30] but if you have any ppa packages installed right now you need to purge those first [13:30] well, they didn't today. but that's possible related to me purging everything with nvidia in its name [13:31] knittl: you need to have nvidia-common installed (and modaliases afaik), but it hasn't yet shown up since the binaries aren't approved yet, so we'll have to wait [13:32] okay okay [13:32] but with the new package even that might have changed [13:33] better wait now than be sorry later … [13:46] Right, I managed to upgrade all Xorg packages, and keyboard and mouse work again. [13:46] \o/ [13:46] Unfortunately, they don't mingle well with the nvidia driver :/ [13:47] but I expected that from the conversation above :P [13:47] Confusion: yes, the nvidia driver is broken right now, please wait for a few hours ;) [13:47] Confusion: welcome to the club ;) [13:47] hehe [13:49] I have to do some chores anyway :) [14:40] howdy === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:11] ok, got impatient and built the driver package myself [15:13] it seems now you need nvidia-current for the driver and I guess nvidia-current-modaliases for jockey [15:14] the nvidia-185-kernel-source nvidia-glx-185 and nvidia-glx-185-dev package are transitional and can be removed after the update [15:20] yofel, that is correct [15:20] bjsnider: well, the driver seems to work fine, so all is well :) [15:21] cool [15:23] except for the fact nothing can build if it needs to link against libgl now :D [15:23] has 10.04 regained graphics today? [15:27] pasjr: not yet, but the drivers are waiting for approvement [15:28] pasjr: weren't you using ATI? [15:28] yes [15:29] pasjr: didn't removing fglrx help? [15:29] no it did nothing [15:29] hm [15:29] I tried everything, so I just fell back to 9.10 [15:29] but I really do not like it [15:30] huh? what's so bad about it? [15:30] its slow [15:30] ^^ [15:31] with about 25min of work I can make 9.04 lighting fast, 10.04 comes that way. But 9.10 is just heavy and have yet to find how to tweak it right [15:31] pasjr: when was the last time you tried Lucid? I'm also using ATI , seems a bit better with kernel 32.9 [15:31] Guess I will wait till the 17th for the release of Alpha 2 and see how that is [15:32] last night I was useing lucid [15:32] heh ;p [15:32] lost all graphics with last update [15:32] so I rolled back [15:32] xserver-xorg-video-ati needs an update to work with the new libdrm, its getting worked on [15:33] vish: have you done all updates? [15:33] pasjr: yup [15:33] you never lost or encounterd graphic issuse [15:34] nope... i only have slow graphics... esp when i use the Burn animation... so stopped using that ^.^ [15:34] pasjr: which update was that ? [15:35] I had all up to 18:00 EST yesterday [15:35] libdrm 2.4.17 broke the open source ati driver [15:35] I am not sure excatly which one broke my system, [15:36] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/505095 [15:36] Launchpad bug 505095 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "X don't start in Lucid" [High,In progress] [15:37] I have done three installs since trying to narrow down what went wrong, but never could find where [15:37] I gave up around 03:30 EST [15:37] Sarvatt i notice libdrm2 , libdrm2-intel1 , libdrm2-radeon1 updates... so should i postpone them? [15:37] yeah dont update until you see xserver-xorg-video-ati offered as well [15:37] ah.. thanks :) [15:37] I would, untill someone can find the one that breaks [15:38] I just said twice what broke it :D [15:38] ok sorry to much I am working on at once [15:39] you can use xorg-edgers which has the updated ati and use ppa-purge after it gets fixed in the archive to go back to stock lucid if its already broken [15:39] theres other major breakage, it may be a bit until its updated [15:40] edgers is good [15:40] Sarvatt: mesa updates are good? [15:40] ok thank you I may try that now [15:40] libgl1-mesa-* [15:41] nothing can build against libgl right now because of the changes to accomidate the nvidia binary driver and its breaking a ton of updates that are waiting to build [15:41] vish: if you have a working system right now I wouldnt update for a few days to be honest [15:41] in your opinon will Ubuntu meet its Alpha 2 dealine? [15:41] oh... thanks for the heads up :) [15:43] pasjr: i think the deadline was yesterday ;) [15:43] pasjr: huh? alphas will be released as schedule [15:43] should be tuesday for alpha 2 [15:43] at least in my calendar [15:43] do you think theses issues will be fixed then? [15:44] pasjr: thats a different issue ;D [15:44] i need a 2nd computer so I can work on one and play and test with the other [15:44] pasjr: subscribe to the bug Sarvatt mentioned and you will be notified when it is fixed [15:44] just uploading a new ati snapshot will be enough so things work for ubuntu but some of the newer kde packages cant build until mesa is fixed, the newer xserver can't build as well but things are working otherwise [15:45] ok thanks, I need a smoke be back later [15:45] Sarvatt: do you know if there are any issues with the drm-intel update? (before I install the new package) [15:46] intel is fine its just ati that had things broken with the libdrm-radeon1 changes [15:46] ok, thx [15:49] fine in lucid i mean, i have major problems with the latest git and cant use edgers on intel at the moment :D [15:50] hehe, ok then, I don't use edgers [15:57] well, I'm gone for now, bbl [16:12] have an app giving the following error after last nights update "relocation error: /lib/libnss_files.so.2: symbol __rawmemchr, version GLIBC_2.2.5 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference". [17:55] am I the only one with just a logon screen in lucid daily images? [17:55] i click login and get a logon box, whatever i put in just bombs me back to the logon screen [17:56] Ubuntu alternate worked for me [17:56] todays image, yesterday had issues [17:57] popey: is that the live cd? [17:57] popey: known bug, switch to the console and fix /etc/gdm/custom.conf for it to work properly [18:01] ta [18:01] have an app giving the following error after last nights update on ubuntu 10.04 "relocation error: /lib/libnss_files.so.2: symbol __rawmemchr, version GLIBC_2.2.5 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference". [18:02] alkisg: how do you switch to the console in kvm? [18:02] popey: I've no idea about kvm. Usually it's alt+ctrl+f1, and on vbox that I use it's right alt+f1. [18:03] ctrl+alt+F1 switches the host unfortunately, not the guest [18:07] "first switch to the qemu-monitor with ctrl-alt-2, then type sendkey ctrl-alt-f1 then switch back to the qemu guest with ctrl-alt-1. " [18:08] Tricky... I prefer the vbox way :D [18:09] popey: sudo vi /etc/gdm/custom.conf, replace all \n with actual enters, and then run sudo service gdm restart [18:09] I'd prefer the bug not to be there :) [18:10] thanks, that worked === ip3t3r is now known as xcht-p3t3r === deegee_1 is now known as deegee [18:22] an error window appears very often when i open ubuntu software center [18:23] xcht-p3t3r: what error? [18:25] ubuntu software center closed unexpectedly [18:27] what can i do? [18:29] xcht-p3t3r: try to start it fom CLI: software-center [18:30] CLI? [18:30] command line interface = terminal [18:30] sotrry :) [18:31] i'll try [18:34] typing software-center i don't see any error [18:36] well, if it closed unexpectedly, you will have to keep on using it until it (again) closes unexpectedly [18:36] xcht-p3t3r: you know - we are talking about alpha software - so I'd say call it from CLI for now [18:36] but when i type software-center & , that error appear again and again.. [18:37]