[08:29] <Lion-Simba__> Sorry, lost connection.
[08:29] <Lion-Simba__> Was there any answer?
[08:46] <AnAnt> Hello, karmic freezes when compiz is enabled with a certain model of Intel graphics cards, should I report a bug against compiz or X or kernel or what ?
[09:57] <om26er-> if the tag of a bug is not apport-failed-retrace and coredump.gz is still attached should coredump.gz be manually removed?
[12:41] <^arky^> hi
[12:59] <om26er> any1 mark this as triaged plz https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/495385
[12:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 495385 in empathy "/part does not work in irc" [Low,Confirmed]
[13:04] <LimCore> why are we closing valid bug reports?
[13:04] <LimCore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/472530
[13:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 472530 in kdeutils "KGpg (kgpg), signal: Segmentation fault" [Undecided,Invalid]
[13:04] <LimCore> "While we appreciate your issue, it would be better if it was tracked at https://bugs.kde.org"
[13:04] <LimCore> why you think this is upstream problem, not a result of bad versions / bed build / bad env. or something else on ubuntu side?
[13:07] <LimCore> btw, kgpg crashes ALL THE TIME TOTALLY.  Perhaps we should try some other version of kgpg from upstream, and once it is working then we should put it to 9.10 ?
[13:13] <Hew> LimCore, whole new versions won't make it to stable releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates . Best to track Lucid and make sure the problems are fixed there.
[13:14] <LimCore> Hew: but how can we leave version that crashes all the time in 9.10?
[13:15] <Lion-Simba> Hi. There is a regression bug in linux kernel (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/446575). There is also a patch fixing it. What I need to do to get this fix included in karmic-updates?
[13:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 446575 in linux "dvb-t on asustek p7131 hybrid looks like poor quality signal" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:15] <Hew> LimCore, how can we guarantee new versions won't create regressions? The SRU process allows for minimal targeted changes to be made to fix specific issues.
[13:16] <Hew> The focus of development always needs to be the development release.
[13:17] <LimCore> Hew: because, it's hard to imaging kgpg being any worse that it is now. I used kgpg for around 10 times x 10 seconds, and it crahses 5 times durings this 2 minutes of usage =)
[13:19] <Hew> Lion-Simba, that bug is still marked as confirmed. It should be fixed in the development release before it's looked at for SRU, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[13:20] <Lion-Simba> Hew, how I can to propagate this fix to current development release kernel?
[13:27] <Hew> Lion-Simba, look at the last comment on that bug, someone is already working on getting it applied upstream.
[13:37] <Lion-Simba> It is ME
[13:38] <Lion-Simba> We already sent patch upstream through V4L mailing-list. But I don't know, how kernel in development release is updated. Maybe I need to inform some Ubuntu kernel team to include that patch into Ubuntu kernel package?
[13:38] <Lion-Simba> Hew,
[13:40] <Lion-Simba> Who is responsible to mark this bug as fixed?
[13:41] <Hew> Lion-Simba, anyone can mark it fixed once it's actually fixed in the development release.
[13:42] <Hew> Lion-Simba, as for getting the patch applied, I'm not too sure, maybe the guys in #ubuntu-motu can help you out :-)
[13:42] <Lion-Simba> Hew, ok. How often development release kernel is synced with vanil kernel?
[13:43] <Hew> Lion-Simba, I don't follow the kernel stuff myself
[13:44] <Lion-Simba> Hew, ok. Thanks for pointing me to #ubuntu-motu :)
[13:45] <Hew> no worries, thanks for contributing
[14:23] <genstorm> I have a kernel related question
[14:24] <LimCore> genstorm: dont ask to ask ;)
[14:24] <genstorm> ;)
[14:24] <genstorm> how are my chances to get a recently committed patch from linus' kernel into ubuntu's 2.6.31?
[14:25] <genstorm> it's only a one-liner adding the vendor string for the Linksys WUSB600N ver2 which was added 11 days ago to rt2800.c
[14:25] <genstorm> this would solve a lot of headaches for ubuntu users, including me for my father's system
[14:26] <genstorm> right now I'm in the process of compiling a patched version of ubuntu's 2.6.31.17.54 including that support
[14:27] <yofel> genstorm: is this string included in the lucid kernel 2.6.32?
[14:28] <yofel> genstorm: anyway, file a bug against 'linux', nominate it for karmic, wait for it to be fixed in lucid, then you'll have a chance it will be fixed in karmic
[14:28] <genstorm> I haven't checked that, I've only began looking closer to ubuntu dev today
[14:31] <genstorm> thanks, I'll do that
[14:32] <crimsun> BTW, policy for released Ubuntu versions tends to require that fixes must be in a stable release upstream first
[14:32] <crimsun> so it needs to be in 2.6.31.x
[14:33] <yofel> genstorm: also, you should read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelUpdates
[14:34] <yofel> crimsun: ah thx, didn't know that
[14:34] <genstorm> thx
[14:34] <genstorm> anyway, in case that takes some time, I'll have to blacklist kernel updates for some time
[14:42] <jcastro> genstorm: afaik most of the kernel team is travelling right now, a mail to the kernel mailing list would probably get you the best traction
[14:47] <genstorm> thanks a lot. first, I'll verify that it actually makes the linksys stick work, after that I'll write the mail
[14:54] <genstorm> ok, doesn't seem to be in karmic/lucid git repos yet
[15:15] <LimCore> what the
[15:15] <LimCore> kmail crashes while use.. and
[15:16] <LimCore> this cuauses my GUI (gnome) to reload, and to switch to OpenGL mode.... O___o ??????
[15:16] <LimCore> happend 2 times in 2 days.
[15:28] <LimCore> who is caching passphrases for OpenPGP in kmail??
[15:28] <maco> gpg-agent, should be...
[15:29] <maco> if seahorse-agent is running instead, kmail doesnt like that
[15:29] <LimCore> you know, Thunderbrid is not usable for OpenPGP so we try kmail... and that too is not working (on top on crashing often)
[15:30] <LimCore> signing says "invalid password". But there was no pinentry question. It just says invalid password, from kmail on sending signed
[15:30] <LimCore> on one box (it works for me)
[15:33] <hggdh> LimCore: why is TB not usable with GPG? I use it OK
[15:37] <LimCore> hggdh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/enigmail/+bug/504738
[15:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 504738 in enigmail "thunderbird openpgp (enigmail) does not show the SIGNED icon when message is both encrypted and SIGNED in OpenPGP/MIME mode" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:37] <LimCore> btw please set importance to medium as there is no work around, and the recommended/most common  email application is unable to be secure (signied emails)
[15:39] <hggdh> LimCore: this is a *display* issue. EnigMail is still working
[15:40] <LimCore> I thought you might say that. I just updated title
[15:40] <LimCore> it's not just "display" or esthetic problem. Is it? How can you tell if message is signed or not? for sign+encrypted mime?
[15:42] <LimCore> I sent 2 mails, one encr+signed other just encr and NOT signed, and recipient using Thunderbird was unable to tell the difference (other then by hand reding source of the email but who does that). Do you know a work around?
[15:42] <LimCore> I spent already hours debugging this;   If you want I will be happy to demonstrate to you, or debug with you.
[15:44] <hggdh> LimCore: no need. I also read the upstream bug.
[15:44] <LimCore> so this is correct that using TB you can not tell signed from unsigned emails (for encr+signed in mime)?
[15:47] <hggdh> Will check now, I rarely encrypt+sign
[15:48] <LimCore> hggdh: can you send me your pub key to rafal.maj.it@gmail.com
[15:51] <hggdh> LimCore: done
[15:51] <LimCore> ok I got 751D 938E 5F4A 2335 6328 35F7 7DBA F3B1 CA5A 0C20
[15:52] <hggdh> LimCore: I also sent myself a sign+encrypt. and when I click on the padlock icon, I see encrypted and signed message indicators
[15:52] <hggdh> LimCore: the key is correct
[15:53] <LimCore> send examples
[15:53] <hggdh> oh. I am running TB3. This is most certainly fixed there...
[15:54] <LimCore> yes
[15:54] <LimCore> its fixed there
[15:54] <LimCore> but really I think this bug is widelly confirmed, also mozilla developers confirmed it (and fixed it) so can we assign a priority? like medium? security imapct, no work around
[15:55] <LimCore> I understood we can not use TB3 on 9.10.. or can we?
[15:55] <LimCore> on 64bit, with enigmail
[15:55] <hggdh> I think you can. I moved to TB3 before jumping on to Lucid, and it *seemed* to be working
[15:56] <hggdh> the only gotcha is I downloaded EnigMail from mozilla, since (at this point in time) we did not have it here for TB3 on 64
[15:57] <hggdh> LimCore: of course, you will most probably just changing issues -- TB3 still has some rough egdes
[15:57] <hggdh> s/egdes/edges/
[15:57] <LimCore> Would be nice if all users of 9.10 could use that fixed TB3 easly, with enigmail; I unserstood that EnigMail have some troubles building for 64bit?  and that mozilla provides only 32bit version?  You used EnigMail from mozzila on 9.10 64bit?
[15:58] <hggdh> no tb3 will not be officially available for 9.10; yes, you must match architectures for EnigMail, but a 64bit version of it is there, somewhere
[15:58] <hggdh> and yes, there were/are some issues building it on 64
[15:59] <LimCore> it's sad then that this will remain unresolved problem for 9.10
[15:59] <hggdh> I beg to differ. When did you open your bug on Ubuntu?
[15:59] <hggdh> and what is today's date?
[16:01] <LimCore> brb
[16:02] <hggdh> LimCore: I received key 334C1C44. Correct?
[16:02] <LimCore> yes D276 2957 9222 ABF1 CB36 D224 D1A9 5BF5 334C 1C44
[16:02] <hggdh> Good. I confirm TB3+EnigMail to be working
[16:02] <LimCore> woot
[16:03] <LimCore> so TB2 not working, TB3 working; What are options for 9.10 users then... lets make a howto, or a PPA or something
[16:03] <hggdh> LimCore: what about giving the maintainers some time to look at it? Your bug is 24 hours old
[16:04] <hggdh> I agree it is worthy of a SRU
[16:05] <ejat> hi ..
[16:05] <LimCore> hi ejat
[16:05] <ejat> i just add ppa repository for likewise-open
[16:05] <ejat> but then i didnt get any update
[16:06] <LimCore> hggdh: ok; Perhaps you can comment your findings + confirmation in that bug report
[16:06] <hggdh> LimCore: will do
[16:06] <hggdh> ejat, you would be better off on #ubuntu. This is not a support channel
[16:06] <LimCore> I can help to debug or help build enigmail for 9.10 / 64b, *if* someone will show me exactly how to do it
[16:08] <ejat> hggdh: sorry :) wrong channel
[16:10] <ikonia> LimCore: give the maintainer a chance
[16:16] <hggdh> LimCore: this would probably be someone from the MozillaTeam
[16:18] <LimCore> hggdh: they appear to be informed? Also notified: Mozilla Bugs
[16:18] <ikonia> they mozilla team are pretty sharp
[16:18] <ikonia> (at least the members I know personally)
[16:21] <LimCore> anyone else uses kmail? I've got a new bug
[16:21] <LimCore> kmail refuses to sign emails, saying "invalid password". But it did not even asked for passphrase (no pinentry). Decrypting works though
[16:21] <ikonia> log it
[16:22] <LimCore> overall there is one problem. The error messages are too cryptic.  "invalid password" ... what, what password, where, why? Which program, which key
[16:22] <ikonia> log it
[16:22] <ikonia> it's the passphrase to sign it
[16:22] <ikonia> that's what it's most likley complaining about
[16:23] <LimCore> sure I know that.. but it is not asking me to enter it.  I will report this bugs now
[16:23] <LimCore> s/me/user
[16:23] <ikonia> that's the bug, that it's not prompting you for the password, not the error message
[16:24] <LimCore> ok I don't want to sound too complaining or someting
[16:24] <ikonia> don't be pathetic
[16:24] <LimCore> but I was thinking of a moment of relfection. Thousands of very good developers, and yet its hard to establish OpenPGP emails
[16:24] <ikonia> it's a bug
[16:24] <ikonia> and thousands of devlopers don't work on kmail
[16:24] <LimCore> 3 bugs
[16:24] <ikonia> it could be anything, a mistake, and incomaptability
[16:25] <ikonia> LimCore: tell you what YOU start fixing something before you start complaining that devlopers miss stuff
[16:25] <LimCore> ok then, for next release I will just test full use cases myself
[16:25] <LimCore> like "Is it possible to fully use OpenPGP" for lucid
[16:25] <ikonia> whatever you want
[16:28] <LimCore> Im happy that you are so happy I will provide take care of that testing for lucid
[16:29] <ikonia> LimCore: many people are testing
[16:31] <ikonia> I'm sure any contributions would be most welcome, more so at an early stage
[16:31] <LimCore> apparently mine testing have something more to add
[16:31] <ikonia> no
[16:31] <ikonia> you just think it does
[16:31] <LimCore> like bugs that where not previously reported
[16:32] <ikonia> normally because you're bugs are nonsense and ill understood
[16:32] <ikonia> but I've said that before
[16:32] <LimCore> if I will buy you a pony will you have more positive attribute
[16:32] <ikonia> I have very positive attirubites but that doesn't change anything
[16:32] <hggdh> LimCore: writing unittests (and equivalents) would help a lot
[16:33] <LimCore> anything nonsesne about my thunderbird/kmail/kgpg bugs? Im sure they are very good, and Im going after all this bugs
[16:33] <ikonia> LimCore: I don't know if they are nonsense or not, as I've not tested them, as I said to you earlier I've not had the problem with thunderbird and enigmail you mention
[16:34] <ikonia> LimCore: and as you said, you've only spotted it yourself the other day
[16:34] <ikonia> so looks like all your using thunderbird and you didn't spot this......not good testing
[16:34] <LimCore> ikonia: we just confirmed it with hggdh, on TB2+enigmail; Give me your pubkey to rafal.maj.it@gmail.com to see it, and/or look at this nice comparsion: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37613983/thunderbird_openpgp_fail_to_show_signed.v2.png
[16:35] <ikonia> LimCore: I didn't say it wasn't valid, I said I've not had that problem, and all the time you've used thunderbird you've only just spotted it
[16:35] <LimCore> ikonia: I was not using TB for years. I spot this bug in first 2 hours when my coworkers used it.
[16:35] <ikonia> LimCore: after you recommended thunderbird to him you suggested that you'd recommended it because you used it
[16:36] <ikonia> but I totally could have miss-understood that
[16:36] <LimCore> I recommended TB because I knew it supported OpenPGP, I used it like in 2007 afair;  Then I was sad to quickly learn that this version of TB have issues with OpenPGP
[16:37] <LimCore> so now we are switching to kmail.  (and already found 1 new bugs which Im now reporting on top of my previous bugs)
[16:37] <ikonia> fair enough, I thought you where a user
[16:37] <LimCore> kmail I use daily, therefore tens of bug reports :)
[16:37] <ikonia> LimCore: yet you've only just spotted this bug ?
[16:37] <hggdh> LimCore: the only thing you should try is to understand that reporting yesterday, and expecting it to be fixed yesterday is unrealistic
[16:37] <ikonia> do you not use kmail with enigmail much ?
[16:38] <LimCore> ikonia: kmail does not work ith enigmail, it has builtin openpgp or something
[16:38] <LimCore> hggdh: ok
[16:38] <ikonia> LimCore: or something ???? you've been using kmail for ages, what do you normally use for encryttion for it ?
[16:39] <LimCore> in kmail I spoted like 10 bugs (thare are mailny 3 main bugs - IMAP issues, config/save issues, and pinentry)  plus 1 new bug today that Im in middle of reporting
[16:39] <ikonia> LimCore: that's not what I asked
[16:40] <LimCore> ikonia: for encryption in kmail I use just OpenPGP, it works by default - just select your OpenPGP key in Idnetity
[16:40] <ikonia> LimCore: what do you normally use for encyption with kamil ?
[16:40] <LimCore> OpenPGP course
[16:40] <LimCore> * of course
[16:40] <ikonia> LimCore: ok, so you've just started to try enigmail with it ?
[16:40] <LimCore> no
[16:40] <ikonia> ahh sorry, miss-read
[16:40] <ikonia> kmail refuses to sign mails with openphp ?
[16:40] <LimCore> I started to use Thunderbird(+enigmail) to receive emails from kmail, thus seing how TB handles them wrongly
[16:40] <ikonia> pgp
[16:41] <LimCore> ikonia: yes, this is the new today bug, but it happened only for 1 user (not me) so far. Can be user fault. I have yet to test it more
[16:41] <ikonia> LimCore: ok - so why did you rant that the developer can't get this right ?
[16:41] <ikonia> you've just said it's one user, and it could be his fault
[16:41] <LimCore> I ment ther other bugs in kmail and kgpg
[16:41] <ikonia> yet you took the effort to moan about 1000's of developers
[16:42] <LimCore> kmail can handle openpgp but is really crashy
[16:42] <LimCore> TB2 can not fully handle open pgp (sign)
[16:42] <ikonia> oh, it's crashy now
[16:42] <LimCore> yes, view all my bug reports for kmail. It crashes a lot in pinentry.
[16:43] <LimCore> That kmail pinentry crash bugs where first reported in 2006; They are confirmed by multiply users also upstream. Do you want links?
[16:43] <ikonia> not really
[16:43] <ikonia> I don't use kmail myself so I've not got a vested interest
[16:43] <LimCore> ok
[16:43] <ikonia> are the bugs fixed in upstream ?
[16:43] <EzraR> i dont have any problems with TB using gpg
[16:43] <LimCore> but if you would be about to say my bug reports are nonsense, do look into them first :)
[16:44] <ikonia> LimCore: I have looked into them, some of them are nonsense
[16:44] <LimCore> ikonia: this bug appears unfixed in upstream
[16:44] <LimCore> the one in kmail pinentry
[16:44] <LimCore> ikonia: like which ones? I will then upgrade or close them
[16:44] <ikonia> I see
[16:44] <hggdh> EzraR: the issue with TB and EnigMail is TB is related to encrypted+signed, and not correctly showing the signature
[16:44] <ikonia> LimCore: I don't have references, I stopped following your bug reprots a long time ago due to your rantings
[16:45] <ikonia> hggdh: is it every mail ?
[16:45] <LimCore> EzraR: hggdh also confirmed it, but fell free to confirm it or "works for me it". But it was already confirmed (and fixed) by upstream. Anyway: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/enigmail/+bug/504738  the attached image says it all
[16:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 504738 in enigmail "thunderbird openpgp (enigmail) does not TELL if message was signed or not! (missing icon and info for encrypted+SIGNED in OpenPGP/MIME mode)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:45] <LimCore> ikonia: perhaps you should reconsider. Really you should reconsider that pony
[16:45] <LimCore> I can also offer (a picture of) my pet plush penguin
[16:46] <ikonia> ????
[16:47] <Nafallo> 64 bytes from pony.magicalforest.net (91.194.67.9): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.315 ms
[16:47]  * Nafallo haz pony
[16:47] <LimCore> ikonia: I ment that you perhaps should consider that my bug reports are not all rants, and if you see pass it, you see they are very good :
[16:47] <LimCore> :)
[16:47] <hggdh> ikonia I am not sure, since I rarely sign+encrypt. And I am running TB3+EnigMail from Moz, so there is no issue there
[16:48] <LimCore> ikonia: this bug affects every sign+encry MIME formated email, according to upstream
[16:48] <EzraR> LimCore: like I said it works for me
[16:48] <LimCore> and all emails realy should use OpenPGP/MIME not inline OpenPGP, as I researched
[16:49] <ikonia> LimCore: I send a ton and no-ones complained and I've not seen a problem
[16:49] <LimCore> EzraR: ok lets see, send me your pubkey to rafal.maj.it@gmail.com
[16:49] <ikonia> back in 15
[16:49] <hggdh> LimCore: If I may: if you try to restrict the bug text to facts (not feelings) this would help a lot. I personally tend to leave aside bugs with too much feeling (or ranting, some would say)
[16:49] <LimCore> hggdh: ok
[16:50] <LimCore> but then I will have to punch someone or throw my laptop out the window lol
[16:50] <LimCore> but ok ;)
[16:51] <EzraR> LimCore: sent
[16:52] <LimCore> ok I got 4E77 23B8 48C3 49FC 1A51 DC15 1C9A FEA1 DD28 7805  with picture too =)
[16:52] <EzraR> hehe
[16:52] <EzraR> yeah
[16:54] <EzraR> interesting...the icon doesnt show
[16:54] <EzraR> thats with mime?
[16:54] <LimCore> EzraR: I sent 3 emails. Yes, they are all in MIME.  OpenPGP/MIME should be used always (because inline is deprecated)
[16:55] <LimCore> you do not see that signed icon in sign+encr email right?
[16:55] <hggdh> this is the issue. Although not absolutely critical, signature checking indicators are your visual clue that this is a good/bad/unknown thingie
[16:55] <LimCore> right. Well for my work this is critical, is recipient does not know if email was signed, we may as well not use OpenPGP at all
[16:56] <LimCore> "Please send me passwords to all servers signed:boss *cought*ornot*cought"  "ok I do not see signed icon, but I assume it was there as always, here you go with passwords" ;)
[16:56] <hggdh> LimCore: this is where we have a difference of opinion. I think it should be fixed (and SRU-ed), but this is *not* a critical issue
[16:56] <EzraR> although it does have an attached signature, im not saying the icon should not show
[16:56] <hggdh> not even severe
[16:57] <EzraR> works in mutt :)
[16:57] <LimCore> hmm well.. signing messages seems to be the main functionallity of enigmail (or 50% of it).
[16:58] <LimCore> either way, medium is ok
[17:14] <genstorm> ok, I have to revert my claims from before - it is not so trivial to add the rt2870 support - seems to also need update to the ralink v2.1.0.0 stack. trying it out now on my own gentoo kernel which is a far more simple procedure
[17:16] <EzraR> LimCore: sending mail to myself i can not recreate the error though what client are you using?
[17:17] <LimCore> EzraR: you are sending emails using inline OpenPGP probably. And that format is bad
[17:17] <om26er> ubiquity gives ubiquity.components.partman failed with exit code 141 on todays live cd and 20100105
[17:18] <LimCore> EzraR: http://josefsson.org/inline-openpgp-considered-harmful.html   compare my emails - theyare in MIME and your's they are in inline by default. You can make thunderbird send MIME too
[17:18] <EzraR> i did tell it to use mime
[17:24] <EzraR> LimCore: i sent you an emil let me know if it works
[17:24] <EzraR> email
[17:34]  * EzraR shrugs
[17:35] <EzraR> something is different about his signatures and mine
[17:37] <EzraR> and its not something I am doing wrong, i just used mutt to send an encrypted/signed email to my self with no problems
[17:38] <EzraR> and yes it was pgp/mime
[17:38] <EzraR> oh well
[17:45] <LimCore_> EzraR: I got that email, but it was a bit strange, with attachment " opaqued signed data"  can you send me S+E MIME email with some attached file?
[17:45] <LimCore_> perhaps there are different ways of sending S+E MIME, and one is seen but TB, and other (that happens to be created by kmail) is not
[17:47] <EzraR> sure
[17:48] <limcore> but since it was a bug according to upstrea (now fixed), then I guess kmail's version of S+E MIME was ok, and its "TB2's fault" for not understanding it. But we can research that for academic, why not :)
[17:50] <EzraR> TB does recognize my signed encrypted
[17:50] <EzraR> just not yours
[17:52] <EzraR> incase TB was using some non standard way of creating the mail I tried sending from mutt as well, and it worked the same
[17:56] <limcore> EzraR: but either kmail's format is incorrect, or TB fails to understand this format; Since TB devels confirm this as bug, I guess it was the case. Unless you have reason to say that kmail's format was illegal, then it would be kmail's bug, but I doubt sincec TB devels say its TB fault
[17:57] <limcore> perhaps we can extract patch that fixes this issue in TB2/it's enigmail, then we see the mechanism behind it (my guess: sometimes analyzing the message does not descent into un-encrypted message to notice inside it is signed). Then such patch can be hopefully very easly applied to existing TB2 in 9.10
[17:58] <EzraR> posibly, but why do my emails work?
[17:59] <limcore> then both TB (logically) and also mutt, create emails MIME S+E in some sub-format or with some detail, that allows TB to understand it's S. Emails generated by kmail appear to have a bit other, but still valid, format, that confuses TB 2
[17:59] <EzraR> when i look at the emails from a client that doesnt understand pgp(my phone) your emails are diff than mine
[18:00] <EzraR> err i take that back
[18:01] <limcore> but what is your point here, EzraR, you say that this is not a bug in TB 2?
[18:02] <EzraR> it might be, it might not be
[18:02] <limcore> upstream developers said it was bug in TB 2, and that it is now fixed; I liked to mozilla bug
[18:02] <EzraR> it could be some configuration diff
[18:03] <EzraR> i dont know i guess if I would be forced to say where the bug is it would have to be TB
[18:03] <limcore> first paragraph describes what is the diff, and that it is TB2 fault, please read:  https://www.mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=5777
[18:04] <ubot4> www.mozdev.org bug 5777 in GUI "PGP/MIME Signed & encrypted Messages identified as "Decrypted" only (violates RFC3156)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[18:05] <EzraR> ahh so you first sign your emails then you encrypt them?
[18:06] <limcore> it is what kmail does then. Yes. And this is valid. Other programs use other, also valid, method to create S+E MIME. TB2 understands only one of this methods
[18:08] <EzraR> both mutt and TB only apply pgp when being sent so niether would ever do that
[18:09] <EzraR> so then thats the diff
[18:09] <limcore> EzraR: would you like to help to isolate the patch to enigmail that fixes this issue, in order to allow this patch to go (SRU?) to 9.10?
[18:10] <limcore> http://enigmail.mozdev.org/download/source.php - CVS access to enigmial;  and that bugzilla hints that the fix was commied to trunk around  2009-05-19 06:43:51   (last comment)
[18:11] <EzraR> sure, i have a wedding to go to in a couple hours so I have to start getting ready and cant work on this right now but I will asign myself to the bug
[18:14] <limcore> there seems to be a bug in LP webpage: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/enigmail/+bug/504738  this layout is broken. Is it for you as well? the right-side bar is on bottom
[18:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 504738 in enigmail "thunderbird openpgp (enigmail) does not TELL if message was signed or not! (missing icon and info for encrypted+SIGNED in OpenPGP/MIME mode)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:14] <EzraR> is there a launchpad bug?
[18:14] <EzraR> nm
[18:14] <EzraR> heh
[18:14] <limcore> how to report bugs in LP website itself?
[18:15] <hggdh> open them against launchpad itself
[18:15] <EzraR> i think the same as anything else
[18:15] <limcore> but what project?
[18:16] <hggdh> launchpad
[18:16] <hggdh> CNR
[18:17] <EzraR> ok i have asigned it to myself and will take a look at getting the patch added
[18:20] <jpds> limcore: Which part of Launchpad do you want to file the bug against?
[18:22] <limcore> while reporting bug in TB I seen a bug in LP
[18:22] <limcore> while reporting bug in LP I hit another bug in LP cool :) "(Error ID: OOPS-1470B2747)"
[18:22] <ubot4> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1470B2747
[18:23] <limcore> jpds: broken CSS/layout in bugs.;  Also while reproting it I hit the above mentioned oops 500 server error
[18:23] <jpds> limcore: Report it against the launchpad-bugs project.
[18:24] <limcore> jpds: while doing this I hit ANOTHER (4th in combo) problem, #canonical join message says to view web page https://wiki.canonical.com/MessagingSystems/InternalIRC and this web page says "You are not allowed to view this page." I will report that to Canonical then
[18:25] <jpds> limcore: That wiki is only for Canonical folk.
[18:25] <limcore> freenode's irc join message to #canonical says to view it
[18:26] <jpds> Because someone set it like that.
[18:26] <limcore> Error ID: OOPS-1470H2771
[18:26] <ubot4> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1470H2771
[18:27] <limcore> still I can not report the bug against launchapd-bugs because of above mentioned oops... can this be fixed?
[18:28] <jpds> limcore: Try asking #launchpad.
[19:08] <Pavel_S> hi, i am new in Kubuntu. I sent two bugs for "needs-packaging".
[19:11] <Pavel_S> I built some package on my Kubutnu-9.10 and can give them to you.
[19:15] <hggdh> Pavel_S: thank you for you work. You might want to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages and go to the #ubuntu-motu (or #kubuntu-dev -- I think) channels
[19:16] <hggdh> Pavel_S: this is not the channel for this work (here we do triaging discussions)
[19:17] <Pavel_S> ok
[19:22] <WeatherGod> Is there something wrong with Launchpad lately?
[19:22] <WeatherGod> I randomly can not "Post Comment"
[19:22] <hggdh> seems to (but not for me, or not for edge)
[19:22] <WeatherGod> huh
[19:22] <hggdh> oh, sometimes I get that also
[19:23] <hggdh> well. time for lunch. BRB
[19:23] <WeatherGod> ok
[19:48] <WeatherGod> charlie-tca, looks like that Rhythmbox thing we were talking about yesterday didn't quite pan out
[19:49] <charlie-tca> no?
[19:49] <WeatherGod> a CD icon does not show up at all in her file dialoge
[19:49] <WeatherGod> bug 478962
[19:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 478962 in linux "After upgrade to Karmic, CD/DVD drive no longer works" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/478962
[19:49] <WeatherGod> I had her post a screenshot to double-check
[19:52] <charlie-tca> Well... I guess I will load a hardware 9.10 install of Ubuntu and see what happens. It will take me a minute or two
[19:53] <charlie-tca> OTOH, it doesn't sound like the menus are working right, either, for her. Could be problems with the actual installation there?
[19:53] <WeatherGod> no, the menus are working fine...
[19:53] <WeatherGod> it was that she didn't know about the system tray in the upper-right hand corner
[19:55] <charlie-tca> No, I'm looking at lines 2 & 3 in comment #63, I didn't have to click it twice to bring it up.
[19:55] <charlie-tca> Let me check in Ubuntu though. I am installing now
[19:56] <charlie-tca> I will get to you on it today.
[19:56] <WeatherGod> her configuration somehow has it that when she quits, it goes to system tray or something to that effect
[19:56] <WeatherGod> her next comment notes that the rhythmbox icon was already there
[19:57] <WeatherGod> so, the first click goes to the system tray
[19:57] <WeatherGod> the next one maximizes it
[19:57] <WeatherGod> or brings it into focus or whatever
[19:59] <WeatherGod> I am gonna take a closer look at her log files
[20:00] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will see where I can get here.
[20:01] <WeatherGod> any idea what is gvfs?
[20:01] <jpds> WeatherGod: GNOME Virtual Filesystem.
[20:02] <WeatherGod> that something new?
[20:02] <jpds> No.
[20:04] <WeatherGod> ah, just noticed it on my own installation
[20:04] <WeatherGod> usually, I use "df" to see my mounts
[20:06] <Yos> good night all
[20:06] <WeatherGod> bye
[20:21] <cyan-spam> anyone have an idea on a package for Bug #309933?
[20:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 309933 in ubuntu "ttyS0 do not work when application start from rc.local" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309933
[20:24] <jpds> cyan-spam: upstart?
[20:25] <cyan-spam> even though the same problem occurs when running as a desktop session-launch program?
[20:27] <hggdh> if the tty cannot be opened, an errno should have been returned. We need more details
[20:28] <cyan-spam> thanks. i just did an old untouched bug response for now
[20:28] <cyan-spam> i think the reporter's probably just making a mistake
[20:28] <cyan-spam> and hopefully they fixed it by now :)
[20:28] <hggdh> yeah
[20:40] <cyan-spam> would someone more experienced take a look at Bug #309397 for me? i don't want to tell a developer off for a vague report!
[20:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 309397 in ubuntu "No UMPC customization (default settings) on Ubuntu UMPC image" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309397
[20:42] <hggdh> cyan-spam: better leave it alone. Loic opened it, and he knows what he is doing
[20:42] <charlie-tca> cyan-spam: looks like it says it all. Ubuntu UMPC needs a -settings package
[20:42] <hggdh> he probably opened it to have a reference
[20:43] <cyan-spam> ok. it just seemed forgotten about to me
[21:01] <limcore> possible bug in ssh-add,  if I do ssh-add -D  then all idents should be clear so subsequent ssh-add -l should show nothing, right?
[21:05] <hggdh> limcore: sounds correct
[21:05] <charlie-tca> WeatherGod: I am running a cd now in rhythmbox
[21:06] <WeatherGod> ok, guess it is something with her system then
[21:06] <charlie-tca> crap, it popped right up in it.
[21:06] <WeatherGod> ?
[21:07] <charlie-tca> It opened rhythmbox and the cd is there. let me try another
[21:08] <charlie-tca> It is on the desktop too, in Ubuntu 9.10 386
[21:08] <WeatherGod> now, is this a purchased music cd, or a burned one?
[21:08] <charlie-tca> purchased, Carey Underwood
[21:08] <WeatherGod> eeeew
[21:08] <WeatherGod> :P
[21:09] <WeatherGod> ok, so something is definitely wrong with her setup
[21:09] <charlie-tca> 2nd one opened too
[21:14] <charlie-tca> anything else you want me to try?
[21:14] <limcore> hggdh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/505278
[21:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 505278 in openssh "ssh-add -D deleting all identities does not work. Also, why are all identities auto-added?" [Undecided,New]
[21:16] <WeatherGod> charlie-tca, nah, that's good for now... I will have to flag down a udev or devicekit person next, I think
[21:16] <WeatherGod> thanks for your help, though
[21:16] <charlie-tca> no problem
[21:47] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:49] <limcore> BUGabundo:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/505278   confirm it with us :)
[21:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 505278 in openssh "ssh-add -D deleting all identities does not work. Also, why are all identities auto-added?" [Undecided,New]
[21:49] <BUGabundo> hey?
[21:56] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[21:57] <BUGabundo> hey charlie-tca
[21:57] <BUGabundo> you have been going to bed late, latelly, haven't you ?
[21:57] <charlie-tca> of course
[21:58] <charlie-tca> can't sleep anyway, may as well stay up
[21:58] <BUGabundo> ahah
[22:02] <hggdh> limcore: confirmed
[22:03]  * hggdh also knows about insomnia
[22:05] <WeatherGod> hggdh, got a quick question...
[22:05] <WeatherGod> I am trying to file a bug, but I am unsure what package to file it against
[22:05] <WeatherGod> it is for the keyboard selection program in "System->Preferences"
[22:05] <hggdh> and?
[22:06] <hggdh> oh
[22:06] <BUGabundo> I sleep like a ROCK
[22:06] <crimsun> (gnome-control-center)
[22:06] <hggdh> yes
[22:07] <WeatherGod> thanks
[22:08] <hggdh> WeatherGod: you can always -- for these applets -- run it, and search for them via 'ps' variations on the terminal
[22:08] <hggdh> for example 'ps aux | grep keyboard'
[22:08] <hggdh> most of the times you will find them
[22:08] <crimsun> just about anything in that menu is going to be in gnome-control-center src
[22:09] <hggdh> then it is 'dpkg -S <name>'
[22:09] <WeatherGod> my brain doesn't seem to be thinking correctly today
[22:09] <hggdh> yes, for System/preferences. But this is applicable generically
[22:09] <WeatherGod> good tip about dpkg -S
[22:10] <crimsun> I recommend installing dlocate
[22:10] <hggdh> and nowadays there is this amazing tendency of giving the menu entries a completely different name than the actual appl
[22:10] <crimsun> and for completeness, install apt-file
[22:10] <hggdh> also install apt-file (this allows you to find packages for things you do not have installed)
[22:10] <hggdh> heh
[22:10] <WeatherGod> hmm, ok good to know
[22:11] <WeatherGod> crimsun, after I file this bug, wanna talk about some Lucid sound issues on an EeePC?
[22:11] <crimsun> sure, I'll glance in here (working on other stuff ATM)
[22:12] <WeatherGod> atm?
[22:12] <hggdh> at the moment
[22:12] <WeatherGod> just figure it out
[22:12] <WeatherGod> took me a second
[22:13] <hggdh> :-)
[22:18] <limcore> hggdh: thx
[22:18] <crimsun> Kermiac: hint: if you can hear sound at all, it isn't an alsa-driver bug.
[22:18] <crimsun> Kermiac: it will be acceptable to change the affected source package to pulseaudio if it's mentioned, and I'll pick it from there
[22:39] <WeatherGod> crimsun, whenever you are available, let me know
[22:41] <crimsun> I'm available now, but I won't be 100% dedicated for another several hours
[22:41] <crimsun> just spew and I'll poke in every once in a while
[22:41] <BUGabundo> ahah
[22:41] <WeatherGod> ok, sound seems to be fine through the headphones
[22:42] <WeatherGod> but, only certain sounds make it through for the internal speakers
[22:42] <WeatherGod> like, when someone responds directly to me in IRC in epiphany, I hear that sound
[22:43] <Kermiac> crimsun: Thanx for the tip :)
[22:43] <WeatherGod> but if I backspace too much for a message in epiphany, I don't hear that sound
[22:43] <WeatherGod> only in the headphones
[22:43] <limcore> possible bug in passwd
[22:43] <limcore> ok, what should happen to possility of pubkey ssh login via:  ssh user@server  after server's admin does passwd -l user ?  1) user still can login via pubkey  2) user can NOT login via pubkey  or 3) this is not defined what is the effect, admin should exect anything?
[22:43] <crimsun> Kermiac: yw
[22:44] <crimsun> WeatherGod: on karmic? lucid?
[22:44] <WeatherGod> lucid
[22:45] <crimsun> WeatherGod: so some events aren't being sent to the desired output?
[22:45] <WeatherGod> I guess
[22:45] <WeatherGod> I haven't yet tested music
[22:46] <WeatherGod> trying to get the mp3 plugin installed
[22:46] <crimsun> sorry, but I need a really precise description if I'm not in front of your hardware
[22:46] <WeatherGod> stupid software center
[22:47] <WeatherGod> well, I seem to hear everything in my headphones when they are connected
[22:47] <WeatherGod> when the headphones are not connected, I only hear some sounds
[22:48] <WeatherGod> another example is when viewing videos in Firefox, I can only hear sounds when the headphones are plugged in
[22:49] <WeatherGod> (through the headphones, that is)
[22:49] <crimsun> is this with alsa-driver 1.0.22.1?
[22:50] <WeatherGod> yes
[22:50] <crimsun> hmm
[22:50] <crimsun> how did you get 1.0.22.1?
[22:51] <WeatherGod> from the daily iso build.. completely fresh
[22:51] <WeatherGod> I am running off my USB stick
[22:51] <crimsun> ...but no dailies have 1.0.22.1
[22:51] <crimsun> linux still has 1.0.21
[22:52] <crimsun> to be more precise, if you didn't actually compile alsa-source yourself, you *don't* have 1.0.22.1
[22:52] <WeatherGod> 1.0.22.1+dfsg-0ubuntu2
[22:52] <crimsun> i.e., aptitude download alsa-source
[22:52] <crimsun> cat /proc/asound/version
[22:52] <crimsun> $ cat /proc/asound/version
[22:52] <crimsun> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.22.1.
[22:52] <crimsun> Compiled on Jan  8 2010 for kernel 2.6.32-10-generic (SMP).
[22:53] <WeatherGod> hmm, 1.0.21
[22:53] <crimsun> the alsa-driver source package generates a number of binary packages: alsa-source, linux-sound-base, alsa-base
[22:54] <crimsun> the latter two are default in any Ubuntu install, but they have *nothing* to do with the actual *driver version*
[22:54] <crimsun> by default, the actual driver is in *linux*, and you'd check /proc/asound/version
[22:55] <WeatherGod> ah, ok, I happened to have the package manager open, so I looked there
[22:55] <BUGabundo> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.22.
[22:55] <BUGabundo> Compiled on Dec 26 2009 for kernel 2.6.32-9-generic (SMP).
[22:55] <crimsun> the former (alsa-source) is stripped (DFSG-Free) source from upstream alsa-driver tarball
[22:55] <BUGabundo> hey wait
[22:55] <BUGabundo> how come u have a newer kernel ?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> me wants it too
[22:56] <crimsun> alsa-source is designed to be used with module-assistant, but you can just download it, install it, and build it yourself, too (see /usr/src/alsa-driver.tar.bz2)
[22:56] <crimsun> alsa-source contains the absolute newest alsa-driver code currently
[22:56] <crimsun> BUGabundo: I installed it
[22:57] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:57] <crimsun> (e.g., apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.32-10-generic linux-image-2.6.32-10-generic)
[22:58] <WeatherGod> crimsun, so you would like me to do aptitude download alsa-source?
[22:58] <crimsun> WeatherGod: that's up to you; I'm just warning that I'm not going to troubleshoot older versions currently
[22:59] <crimsun> a lot has changed between 1.0.21 and 1.0.22.1
[22:59] <WeatherGod> well, since I am doing testing for Lucid, then I should probably get 1.0.22.1
[22:59] <WeatherGod> I take it that I can't just point to a PPA or something?
[23:01] <crimsun> Brad has a PPA, but it's currently broken
[23:01] <crimsun> I'll push him a fix later this evening
[23:01] <crimsun> I don't think you need a PPA; you can just install alsa-source and go forth
[23:02] <crimsun> i.e., either build the extracted alsa-driver.tar.bz2 yourself, or use module-assistant
[23:02] <WeatherGod> ok, sounds like fun
[23:03] <WeatherGod> by the way, anyone know what rhythmbox uses for its plugin system?
[23:03] <WeatherGod> I gotta figure out which package to use for mp3s
[23:03] <crimsun> Kermiac: careful, #462892 is actually an alsa-driver/linux bug
[23:04] <crimsun> Kermiac: it has been fixed already in linux-backports-modules-2.6.31, so please add that task and mark it Fix Released
[23:08] <Kermiac> crimsun: ok, will do. I thought it was PA as it was stated by the reporter "CDs and system sounds play on this system". Is there a better or "proper" way to differentiate between alsa & pa bugs?
[23:09] <crimsun> Kermiac: not easily, just ping me
[23:10] <crimsun> in general, if it's a mic issue and there's an IDT or Realtek codec involved, then it's resolved in linux-backports-modules-2.6.31
[23:10] <WeatherGod> to answer my own question, rhythmbox uses gstreamer
[23:10] <Kermiac> crimsun: ok, no probs. I'll do that from now on to make sure I don't add extra work - that's the last thing i want to do
[23:10] <crimsun> Kermiac: extra work isn't normally an issue, but I would like for the knowledge to be dispersed
[23:11] <crimsun> (yes, I have blogged about this before)
[23:12] <WeatherGod> crimsun, I just tested sound through rhythmbox, and it works perfectly through the speakers
[23:12] <WeatherGod> go figure
[23:12] <WeatherGod> I am gonna try youtube again to see if the problem still exists from yesterday
[23:15] <WeatherGod> did they change the name of the flash plugin package since yesterday?
[23:16] <crimsun> not that I'm aware:
[23:16] <crimsun> $ apt-cache madison flashplugin-installer
[23:16] <crimsun> flashplugin-installer | 10.0.42.34ubuntu1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/multiverse Packages
[23:17] <crimsun> flashplugin-nonfree | 10.0.42.34ubuntu1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/multiverse Sources
[23:17] <crimsun> unless, of course, you're referring to adobe-flashplugin in Canonical's partner repo
[23:17] <WeatherGod> yeah, that's the one I am used to
[23:17] <WeatherGod> ok, flashplugin-installer it is, then
[23:18] <WeatherGod> you know... I just had a moment...
[23:19] <WeatherGod> I am running a full OS from a freakin' USB stick
[23:20] <Kermiac> crimsun: can i pls just check exactly what you mean by adding linux-backports-modules-2.6.31 task? Do you want me to just leave a comment saying it was resolved in "linux-backports-modules-2.6.31" then mark it as fix released?
[23:21] <crimsun> Kermiac: click "Also affects distribution", put "linux-backports-modules-2.6.31" in the Source Package Name text entry field, and click Continue
[23:22] <crimsun> Kermiac: from there, change the Status of the linux-backports-modules-2.6.31 task to Fix Released
[23:22] <WeatherGod> crimsun, looks like sounds works properly in Firefox as well
[23:23] <WeatherGod> so, it looks like I can only find a problem in epiphany
[23:26] <Kermiac> crimsun: thanx - done. Do you want the pa task set to invalid (as i incorrectly set it ti pa) or should I change it back to alsa-driver & mark it as fix released?
[23:26] <Kermiac> set it ti = set it to
[23:34] <crimsun> Kermiac: linux or alsa-driver, no Status change
[23:34] <crimsun> I'll look at it in a bit
[23:35] <Kermiac> crimsun: ok, I'll leave it for you to look at later. Thanx
[23:43] <WeatherGod> could someone double-check my reply to a slightly angry rant in a bug report?
[23:43] <WeatherGod> bug 468589
[23:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 468589 in sysvinit "Unable to shut down or restart on Karmic" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/468589
[23:49] <crimsun> it's a valiant effort. I would have just skipped replying.
[23:51] <WeatherGod> "But someone on the internet is WRONG!"
[23:51] <WeatherGod> :P
[23:53] <WeatherGod> I haven't grown quite as cold and cynical as you...
[23:53] <WeatherGod> yet
[23:54] <crimsun> I'm dangerous with reply & send
[23:54] <yofel> heh, I would have left the bug open as a tab in ffx for a day or two to let the guy calm down and then responded
[23:54] <yofel> if he doesn't hate me until then
[23:54] <WeatherGod> yofel, that's actually a good idea
[23:57] <crimsun> that tends to be my intended approach, except I rarely remember to respond :)
[23:57] <yofel> hehe