[00:00] <mneptok> there are not 600 shellium users contributing and one disruptive person each month
[00:01] <mneptok> it's a law of averages. most of the traffic from Shellium does nothing to help Ubuntu and its users.
[00:01] <coolkehon> the server was down for 3 months so it couldn't have been all year
[00:01] <coolkehon> mneptok, i helped once in ubuntu :)
[00:01] <mneptok> and 11 people got banned last year
[00:01] <coolkehon> mneptok, how come you guys didn't contact shellium.org sooner
[00:01] <mneptok> an 11:1 ratio ain't gonna get the host unbanned
[00:02] <mneptok> one last time ...
[00:02] <coolkehon> :(
[00:02] <mneptok> it's not our job.
[00:02] <coolkehon> yeah but it would have been helpful (no offense) :)
[00:02] <jrib> I have no way of knowing if the host I ban is a shell service or not
[00:02] <mneptok> Shellium now knows about the issue. they can fix it, or not.
[00:02] <coolkehon> i'm sure they would have fixed it much sooner if they had know
[00:05] <elky> coolkehon, the way to fix it is to charge money, or ban irc. which of those options do you want them to take?
[00:05] <mneptok> you offer a free shell service, have no terms of service, and are *surprised* when asshats abuse your service on IRC?
[00:05] <mneptok> that goes beyind naivete into the realm of "f-ing stupid"
[00:06] <coolkehon> one sec
[00:08] <coolkehon> here are some rules
[00:08] <coolkehon> http://wiki.shellium.org/w/Rules
[00:08] <coolkehon> i think they may update it soon
[00:09] <mneptok> well, seeing that it has no rules about trolling, exploits, and other abuse ...
[00:09] <mneptok> i call that "no terms of service"
[00:09] <elky> i really wonder how you're not using a proxy though
[00:12] <coolkehon> meh. hopefully they'll update the rules
[00:12] <coolkehon> i was under the impression that all that was in the rules
[00:12] <coolkehon> including something about not being banned or *lined from servers or channels
[00:19] <coolkehon> http://wiki.shellium.org/w/Rules
[00:21] <mneptok> coolkehon: being a troll is not "IRC abuse"
[00:21] <mneptok> it's behavior.
[00:22] <mneptok> "All users will abide by the Ubuntu Code Of Conduct and the Ubuntu IRC Guidelines at all times on all channels. Failure to do so will result in account termination and removal of all personal data from Shellium hosts. There are no exceptions."
[00:23] <mneptok> something like that *might* make us re-think the issue. and a Shellium staffer in every Ubuntu channel 24/7 to monitor for abuse if you don't want the entire domain banned again.
[00:33] <coolkehon> bbl
[00:34] <MenZa> elky: your blog insists I'm using Safari on OS X :\
[01:09] <elky> MenZa, browsniff was written in 2005. it has not been updated. i don't feel like updating it. i haven't updated my blog theme since chrome came out. i don't feel like ripping the browsniff stuff out because chrome can't report itself decently
[01:10] <coolkehon> ok i'm back (for now)
[01:10] <coolkehon> http://www.shellium.org/?q=user/register
[01:10] <coolkehon> come to find out i knew i had seen something somewhere
[01:10] <coolkehon> it's when you first register
[01:13] <mneptok> and?
[01:13] <mneptok> where does that say *anything* about IRC behavior?
[01:13] <mneptok> it only discusses illegal activities
[01:13] <mneptok> being an asshole is not illegal.
[01:15] <rww> Evenin'. If someone's connecting and disconnecting about every five minutes, is that often enough to be considered spammy and problematic?
[01:15] <rww> (Drygrain in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic)
[01:16] <elky> rww, well he's not reconnected this time...
[01:16] <mneptok> rww: and the person is not doing it, latency is.
[01:17] <rww> mneptok: I figured. Was just wondering whether it fell within the realm of being banforwarded to ##fix_your_connection (or whatever it is) that I see occasionally.
[01:18] <coolkehon> mneptok, i updated the rules
[01:18] <coolkehon> http://wiki.shellium.org/w/Rules#Server_AUP
[01:18] <coolkehon> http://wiki.shellium.org/w/Rules
[01:19] <mneptok> coolkehon: what about #ubuntu-offtpic? #ubuntu-us-nm? #ubuntu-devel?
[01:19] <coolkehon> one sec
[01:19] <mneptok> coolkehon: and who will ensure the user is banned? it won't be us, as reporting your users breaking your rules is not part of our responsibility.
[01:20] <mneptok> what will happen is that shellium will be banned. and if you'd like it to be unbanned, you can come here and give us proof that the offending account has been revoked.
[01:21] <coolkehon> that would be Melvinov
[01:22] <mneptok> for one
[01:22] <coolkehon> any other names pls
[01:22] <coolkehon> i'll forward them to the a couple of the shell admins and the owner(s) of the shell
[01:23] <mneptok> unf_
[01:23] <mneptok> steil
[01:24] <mneptok> k1ng
[01:25] <mneptok> gizmo
[01:25] <mneptok> 2008-07-17T11:11:40 *** ikonia sets mode: +b *!*@fuck.you.pay.me.shellium.org
[01:25] <coolkehon> ah gotta love those vhost
[01:25] <mneptok> and until Shellium removes the ability for people ti use profanity in hostmasks, the ban will not be lifted
[01:26] <coolkehon> wait mneptok why don't you just ban that vhost ?
[01:26] <mneptok> and wait for the next one?
[01:26] <mneptok> no thanks.
[01:26] <mneptok> and until Shellium removes the ability for people to use profanity in hostmasks, the ban will not be lifted
[01:26] <Seeker`> how many possible variations are there on "fuck you"?
[01:26] <coolkehon> there is only one that i know of
[01:27] <coolkehon> i'll check shellium's vhost
[01:27] <Seeker`> coolkehon: if you have free choice of the host, there is a huge variation
[01:27] <mneptok> that hostmask just screams "this service run by a bunch of juvenile idiots that think swearing is 'cool'."
[01:27] <coolkehon> one sec i'll have to check
[01:27] <nhandler> Any -motu OPs around? Otherwise, I'll PM HFSPLUS
[01:27] <coolkehon> heh not everybody
[01:27] <mneptok> and that does not inspire us to believe any action will be taken when abuse happens.
[01:28] <mneptok> nhandler: i'm on it
[01:28] <nhandler> Thanks mneptok :)
[01:28] <coolkehon> mneptok, have you ever heard of the WTFPL
[01:28] <coolkehon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL
[01:28] <coolkehon> would you say that's juvenile
[01:29] <coolkehon> i like that license and i use it for a few of my programs (unreleased so far)
[01:30] <mneptok> coolkehon: if you can't see the difference, this conversation is pointless.
[01:30] <coolkehon> :(
[01:30] <mneptok> WTF stands for .... ?
[01:30] <mneptok> to me, it's "what the frack?"
[01:30] <mneptok> prove me wrong.
[01:31] <mneptok> whereas that vhost is wholly unamibiguous.
[01:31] <Seeker`> means wobbly thin fries to me
[01:36] <coolkehon> back
[01:36] <coolkehon> ok
[01:36] <coolkehon> what's that about HBX
[01:36] <coolkehon> HBX has quit ("Bye...fuckers")
[01:42] <coolkehon> hmm
[01:42] <coolkehon> something going on fishy
[01:43] <coolkehon> mneptok, i spoke with an admin and they said that this isn't our vhost
[01:43] <coolkehon> 2008-07-17T11:11:40 *** ikonia sets mode: +b *!*@fuck.you.pay.me.shellium.org
[01:43] <coolkehon> they said shellium doesn't have vhost like that
[01:46] <christel> based on the timestamp you just pasted with the ban it was set in july 2008, so a year and a half ago -- such a host, if it existed back then, may very well have been removed.. or is your timestamp wrong? :)
[02:01] <christel> that said, i'd be surprised if its much more recent as freenode has a global ban on hostmasks containing the word "fuck" -- so even if the vhost still exists users wouldnt be able to connect with it and the blanket ban on it has been in place for atleast the last year
[02:03] <coolkehon> ok
[02:04] <christel> sorry, i realise it doesnt help with the issue of ubuntu banning shellium, but hopefully it helps explain the lack of that vhost with shellium -- the age of the ban i mean :)
[02:05] <Bryanstein> Hello christel
[02:05] <christel> heya Bryanstein :)
[02:05] <Bryanstein> mneptok:
[02:06] <Bryanstein> christel: I missed you at OSCON...anyhow that vhost with the f$%# word in it is pretty old actually. I see we have a few guys that are creating issues, and some make it seem as if our service is a pathway to abuse other services which is totally not the case
[02:07] <christel> Bryanstein: yeah, from the logs i can find online and from the timestamp of the ban set as per mneptok and coolkehons paste in here it seems to date back a year and a half
[02:09] <christel> it doesnt appear to exist any longer, and even if it did shellium users wouldnt be able to connect to the network using it as we ban hosts containing the word "fuck" and have done for quite some time (due to a entirely different shell provider alltogether)
[02:10] <christel> that said -- i don't know if ubuntu ban shellium entirely due to that one host which once existed or whether there's other issues, i was just trying to clarify for coolkehon regarding that particular one as it was singled out as an example :)
[02:10] <coolkehon> hi thanks for the highlight ;)
[02:10] <coolkehon> :P
[02:11] <coolkehon> continue ...
[02:11] <christel> haha sorry! :)
[02:11] <coolkehon> np
[02:11] <christel> Bryanstein: and i need to try make it over to that side of the pond for a conference or two again soon! :)
[02:12] <Bryanstein> Well that guy...he's a nut case. He was looking to get booted, but if SHellium was used primarily for abuse reasons then most nicks that get bans would no longer exist as I'm sure they still do on freenode
[02:12] <Bryanstein> Well christel I would surely aid in getting you booked...JonathanD was just at SELF last year
[02:13] <christel> ah yes! he spoke highly of it too (SELF that is), sounds like it was a good one
[02:13] <christel> i'm sad to be missing scale this february, but hopefully i'll manage to make a trip over later in teh year for something
[02:14] <christel> i dont really know what ubuntu's experience is with shellium users -- from a freenode pov though we've had good experiences, as you guys are quick to act on the rare occasions there's abuse and always work with us to minimize disruptance to other shellium/freenode users
[02:15] <Bryanstein> You guys have helped us out quite a bit in the past and it is always appreciated. tomaw can attest to this as tomaw interceded on our behalf quite a few times. If we didn't care then I nor coolkehon or Floops wouldn't have come here to ask that the ban be lifted
[02:15] <coolkehon> ^
[02:15] <Bryanstein> mneptok: you alive over there?
[02:16] <Bryanstein> christel: mneptok keynoted at our last conference and brought the house down...literally
[02:17] <christel> yeah? :)
[02:18] <Bryanstein> Well first mneptok is just a different breed of individual(if you ever meet him you'll know what I mean) actually weren't you at the Community Leadership Summit christel ?
[02:19] <christel> no, unfortunately i ended up with a bit of a family emergency :/
[02:20] <Bryanstein> Sorry to hear...I saw your name on the list and figured I just missed you
[02:20] <Bryanstein> any other Ubuntu ops alive now?
[02:21] <christel> i fear they may have all run away -- i have that effect on them!
[02:21] <Bryanstein> Sheesh
[02:21] <nhandler> I'm still here
[02:21] <christel> hehe
[02:21] <Bryanstein> nhandler: ah...we have a pulse
[02:22] <nhandler> I agree that banning all shellium users, especially when the admins are responsive is not the best soltuion. We will definitely try and find a better way to deal with this. However, due to the time zones, it might need to wait a little bit
[02:23] <Bryanstein> Sure nhandler that sounds great...and especially if christel says we are fast...then you know its not just fluff
[02:23] <christel> hehe
[02:24] <christel> i'll leave you in nhandlers capable hands, while i get some snooze -- but if there's anything we (freenode) can do to help shellium/ubuntu find a better/different solution then give me a ping and we'll see if we can help in some way :)
[02:24] <elky> you might want to make it much clearer to your users though
[02:24] <Bryanstein> sure christel thanks and good night
[02:25] <Bryanstein> elky: I'm listening
[02:26] <Bryanstein> elky: these guys get the whole blah blah when they get an account...first this is how it goes...most users get vouches, which in turn those 4 users who vouch them police their behaviour as well. Because if the user gets locked...then all 4 vouchers do as well
[02:26] <elky> Bryanstein, well unless ive missed something in the scrollback, you don't actually publish a very satisfactory AUP
[02:27] <Bryanstein> elky: that might be true, but the nature of odds is that there is just a percentage of users that join networks that will act unaccordingly to any rule posted
[02:27] <elky> regardless of your responsiveness, i'd like to see that get some serious consideration, not just "users will be users"
[02:28] <elky> that way *we* have something to point to
[02:28] <Bryanstein> Oh that's not all that I'm saying...it has been "modified" but it's not a full draft to address our to attempt to counter the forementioned behaviours
[02:29] <Bryanstein> I'm not saying oh please ...do this for us...and then we do nothing
[02:29] <Bryanstein> We really never had this issue..it was the other way around
[02:29] <Bryanstein> We'll have to make the rules more granular indeed
[02:32] <nhandler> elky and mneptok: It doesn't look like we will be able to resolve this issue right now. It might be best for us to put put together a list of issues/concerns/reasons we feel the ban should stay (if you feel that way). That way, we can try and come up with a way to allow the shellium users who abide by the rules to participate in #ubuntu and keep out (and make sure the shellium admins are notified) the troublesome users
[02:35] <elky> a way to report when admins are unavailable that doesn't require hunting down *all* admins each time to tell them individually is nice. we know what this address is now. the AUP is still a concern for us when we get folk like coolkehon showing up asking why we've had to exclude the hosts until admins show up
[02:38] <elky> and that acceptable use policy should explicitly state that shellium admins work actively with service providers, but understand that in cases of abuse that it sometimes the whole service needs to be banned
[02:39] <nhandler> elky: I don't think it would be too hard to come up with an easy way to alert the shellium users to a troublesome user. Maybe we could add a !shelliumadmins factoid that alerts them in a shellium irc channel (similar to how we get notified about ! ops in here)
[02:39] <nhandler> elky: I am also pretty sure that they would be willing to work with us to make the policies a little more clear
[02:39] <elky> nhandler, please read what i said properly.
[02:40] <elky> "<elky> a way to report when admins are unavailable that doesn't require hunting down *all* admins each time to tell them individually is nice. we know what this address is now. [...]"
[02:42] <coolkehon> now i thought about something like !whatever
[02:42] <coolkehon> but didn't bring it up :(
[02:43] <nhandler> elky: A script could easily check which shellium admins are online and how long each has been idle (to determine when they are unavailable).
[02:44] <elky> nhandler, no, it just tells us how long since their client did something, not who is availabe
[02:44] <Bryanstein> Before each user even registers on our site...there is a big fat hairy AUP...the one on the wiki was really just for our channel. Though to put that forementioned AUP out in the open for scrutiny is a wise ideal. It's poorly formatted and a jumble but we will surely work on this with you guys
[02:45] <elky> Bryanstein, this is the first time in the years i've been involved here where I've seen shellium admins being proactive rather than defensive. it's nice to see
[02:45] <coolkehon> :D
[02:46] <nhandler> elky: Well, if a user has been idle for several hours, the chances are a lot higher that they are unavailable. But there is no way to know for certain. But that script, combined with the factoid idea (if an admin is active, they would hopefully respond to the factoid) would give us a good idea of whether or not the admins are available. I can't think of any other way to get this info
[02:46] <Bryanstein> elky: well that is not good and I'll make sure the rest know that they are known as being argumentative rather than receptive
[02:47] <coolkehon> what about me ?
[02:47] <elky> nhandler, i like the idea of emailing an email address that'll go to all admins to be honest. it sounds much more likely to succeed
[02:47] <Bryanstein> coolkehon: != the rest
[02:47] <coolkehon> :D
[02:48] <nhandler> elky: But it doesn't solve the issue that you stated of being able to find out when the shellium admins are unavailable
[02:48] <elky> nhandler, you're only reading part of what i'm typing.
[02:49] <nhandler> elky: Maybe I'm just mis-understanding it (I'm a little tired)
[02:49] <elky> nhandler, the email address solves the need to hunt down all shellium admins
[02:50] <nhandler> elky: Ah, ok. That I understood ;)
[02:50] <elky> it also is much better than contacting individuals to start with, as if active individuals don't do anything, then someone can follow up later on
[02:50] <elky> your script idea would leave out the ones who can follow up later on
[02:51] <Bryanstein> well I thank you guys for considering/reconsidering the "forever" ban. We'd just hate to have our user base being cut off from the Ubuntu life lines on irc
[02:52] <Bryanstein> mneptok: ...he's in Pacific timezone so he should be floating around here soon
[02:52] <elky> Bryanstein, i think "cut off" is somewhat of an exaggeration
[02:52] <nhandler> Bryanstein: How many of the shellium admins would you estimate are always online (i.e. irssi+screen) ? (I'm just trying to think up some other ideas)
[02:53] <Bryanstein> well I'm not saying it in a complete sense...just from our server that is. 4 to 9
[02:53] <coolkehon> i'm online but not an admin :(
[02:54] <nhandler> Bryanstein: Out of about how many admins?
[02:54] <coolkehon> hey heres a though
[02:54] <Bryanstein> nhandler: out of err about 13
[02:55] <coolkehon> why don't you have your script notify the "active" admins and as for the inactive admins have it email or pm them so they can follow up on it with the rest of the admins or whatever
[02:55] <nhandler> coolkehon: It could use MemoServ (if they allow it)
[02:55] <coolkehon> heh yeah
[02:55] <coolkehon> haven't heard of it before but i can guess from the name
[02:56] <coolkehon> like when i send a message to someone offline in pidgin as soon as they logon it sends them the message
[02:56] <nhandler> coolkehon: It is a bot that can be used to send messages to users (offline and online). They can choose to get an email notification about these messages, and they get a /notice when they connect
[02:56] <Bryanstein> nhandler: we have some Ops that literally do nothing but police irc...so the number is higher. Admins=Op and literally root on the shell
[02:57] <nhandler> Alright, I'm going to go and think about this some more. I'll try and put some of my ideas about the issue and potential solutions into writing so we can get some feedback from Ubuntu and Shellium and work to find an agreeable solution
[03:43] <elky> there
[03:43] <elky> there's idiots everywhere
[03:43] <elky> damnit
[03:44] <Hobbsee> i have a thought
[03:44] <Hobbsee> why not just make ubottu ignore hfsplus?
[03:45] <elky> jussi01, ^^
[03:45] <Hobbsee> hulkhogan is also the same guy
[03:48]  * Hobbsee twiddles thumbs and waits for freenode staffers
[03:48] <elky> christel, when you find a way to catalyse people from telling dad jokes, please let me know the sekrit
[03:49] <Seeker`> how do you make lady gaga angry?
[03:49] <nalioth> Hobbsee: proxy hopper, unfortunately
[03:49] <Hobbsee> nalioth: i figured :(
[03:50] <elky> nalioth, at least he's letting you find all the open proxies
[03:58] <elky> Seeker`, i was still monitoring maple1
[03:59] <Seeker`> ah, sorry
[03:59] <elky> i'm happy to leave him though. sex with dykes isn't quite the topic of the channel
[03:59] <Seeker`> why is he still there then?
[04:00]  * maco blinks
[04:00] <maco> sorry i just spotted what elky said in my chat monitor.... what?
[04:00] <elky> maco, troll.
[04:00] <Seeker`> a muted troll
[04:00] <elky> Seeker`, because the torture of his audience seeing through him is going to hurt him more than me kicking him out :)
[04:01] <elky> i'm being a little sadistic today :)
[04:01] <elky> but i want to be able to see the eventual break and his pleas and promises to behave
[04:10] <nhandler> elky and Hobbsee: I've added HFSPLUS to the ubottu ignore list for the time being.
[04:19] <elky> ta
[04:23] <maco> plz see Melvinov in #ubuntu
[04:24] <nhandler> Thanks maco. Melvinov seems to have stopped, but I'll send them a PM if they continue
[04:25] <nhandler> Or that works too ;)
[05:24] <bazhang> he was already removed; watching to see if he returns
[05:55] <bazhang> please remove him
[05:56] <bazhang> thanks
[06:26] <bazhang> katelyn in -ot
[07:46] <bazhang> floodbot3 seems to be calling netsplits when 3 or 4 people quit simultaneously
[08:02] <bazhang> now just a single user triggers it
[12:05] <bazhang> Bacta, hi
[12:05] <Bacta> Hi
[12:06] <elky> Bacta, some of us are in #wikipedia.
[12:06] <elky> keep that in mind with what you are about to ask of us.
[12:06] <Bacta> I will
[12:06] <Bacta> I'm just wondering if I could be unbanned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:07] <Bacta> I believe I've been behaving myself these days and Freenode seem to think I have been enough to give me my cloak back
[12:07] <elky> as i said. some of us are in #wikipedia.
[12:08] <Bacta> I know you are
[12:08] <Bacta> :)
[12:12] <jussi01> And just what happened in #wikipedia?
[12:12] <jussi01> Some of us are not...
[12:12] <bazhang> in #defocus as well
[12:12] <jussi01> Not there either
[12:13] <elky> jussi01, oh just a bit of masquarading as a christian to complain about a wiki page about female genitalia, then admitting it was just to see how many bites could be obtained.
[12:14] <jussi01> ahh, right.
[12:15] <Bacta> Sorry for wasting your time
[12:15] <Tm_T> thoh
[12:15] <ikonia> total joke
[12:18] <elky> his asking here is as much trolling as pretending to be offended at details of girl bits.
[12:18] <ikonia> his behaviour in #defocus is also questionable
[12:18] <ikonia> I don't know why this guy has been recloaked and why he's not just been booted off the network as he's just persistant pain
[12:19] <elky> #defocus as a whole is questionable. certain staff *cough*gary*cough* bait him because it's easy and somewhat amusing at times.
[12:19] <ikonia> I know, easier if he just wasn't on the network as he adds no value or contirbution, and just causes a problem in every channel he's in
[12:19] <elky> ikonia, from my perspective, working with him has stopped his harrassment of linuxchix. that is my primary motive for dealing with him.
[12:19] <ikonia> but that's only my personal view as I'm tired of his persistnat behaviour
[12:20] <elky> he hasn't harrassed, but tried to peek in on, the linuxchix irc server in like a year.
[12:20] <ikonia> elky: concur - you did weill with him on freenode until he threw it back in the bin
[12:20] <elky> he didn't throw it all back
[12:20] <ikonia> he certainly has with his recent behaviour
[12:20] <ikonia> he was doing well,
[12:20] <elky> he doesn't play misogynist at all anymore.
[12:21] <ikonia> read his ##policits comments
[12:21] <ikonia> but yes, not misogynist any more
[12:21] <ikonia> just offensive and a pain
[12:22] <elky> ikonia, to be honest, i don't expect anything good of anything spoken by any participant of ##politics. I also do not care so long as it never ever spills out from the confines of that channel.
[12:22] <ikonia> concur
[12:23] <elky> so what he says there is completely off the table as far as this discussion goes. (IMHO)
[12:23] <ikonia> no, I appreiciate that, I wasn't using it as a noose for him
[12:23] <ikonia> or wasn't trying to
[12:23] <ikonia> I'm just talking about him in general
[12:23] <elky> um, see +1 now
[12:26] <elky> seems like he's trying to "prove he can be sensible". we'll see how long it lasts
[12:26] <ikonia> I know
[12:26] <ikonia> I was watching that
[12:26] <ikonia> "look at me asking ontopic questions...........bums/willys/etc"
[12:30] <elky> i do admittedly find the kid's antics the tiniest bit endearing sometimes. he's one of the artful trolls.
[12:31] <ikonia> sorry - not witth you on that, I just find him offensive/rude/timewasting/disruptive/any_other_negative_thing
[13:40] <ikonia> hello _scavenger_
[13:40] <_scavenger_> Hi.
[13:40] <_scavenger_> I have a quick question.
[13:40] <ikonia> go for it
[13:40] <_scavenger_> I heard on offtopic that your removed some funny remarks from ubottu.
[13:40] <ikonia> yes some of the jokes where removed
[13:41] <_scavenger_> Would it make sense to run a seperate ubottu-withfunnies instance to go with the offtopic channel?
[13:41] <ikonia> no
[13:41] <_scavenger_> :|
[13:41] <_scavenger_> Mkay, it was worth a shot.
[13:42] <ikonia> no problem
[13:42] <_scavenger_> Thanks anyways :)
[15:00] <coolkehon> hi
[15:00] <coolkehon> oh wrong window :P
[15:48] <Tm_T> Bryanstein: hi how can we help you?
[17:03]  * MenZa facepalms.
[17:38] <Myrtti> !pm > Fitz111
[18:53] <`mOOse`> how odd
[18:53] <tsimpson> `mOOse`: can we help you?
[18:53] <`mOOse`> ok, whatever happened to my machine between midnight and an hour ago has managed to get me banned from #ubuntu - I just went and upgraded my fw for the router - so, please test away - thanks
[18:54]  * `mOOse` waits for the mystical test to commense..
[18:54] <Pricey> Myrtti: See anything?
[18:54] <Myrtti> nope
[18:54] <Pricey> Myrtti: PMing the reporter
[18:54] <`mOOse`> the test-me in read-topic apparently doesn't work or doesn't like me
[18:55] <Pricey> try again please?
[18:55] <tsimpson> `mOOse`: you type "test me" not "test-me"
[18:56] <tsimpson> hmm
[18:56] <Tm_T> seems not to be join automation
[18:57] <`mOOse`> yea, sorry - I misread it, typed test me, and it put me right back here
[18:57] <jpds> Well that was easy.
[18:57] <Myrtti> staffers: thank you
[18:57] <tsimpson> `mOOse`: did you follow the instruction in the topic of #ubuntu-read-topic?
[18:58] <tsimpson> `mOOse`: some manufactures did not fix the issue in later updates of firmware, so you should probably change the port you use to 8001
[18:58] <`mOOse`> if you're referring to upgrading the firmware in my router, yes, I did - and it still isn't working - riddle me this? what would have changed from 12 hours ago to now? I've been coming into ubuntu for months now
[18:59] <tsimpson> `mOOse`: you were unlucky enough to be caught in the attack, that's all
[18:59] <`mOOse`> I can do that but I'm baffled why all of a sudden
[18:59] <`mOOse`> there was an attack?
[18:59] <`mOOse`> I didn't know that - recently?
[18:59] <`mOOse`> like, last night?
[18:59] <tsimpson> they happen periodically
[18:59] <tsimpson> just people looking to cause disruption by forcing peoples routers to reset
[19:00] <tsimpson> which is why we forward people to -read-topic, so they can fix the issue and make it less tempting for attackers to preform the attack
[19:00] <`mOOse`> ah...lol....being a vetran of undernet and efnet I have intimate experience with such creatures...
[19:00] <`mOOse`> yea
[19:00] <tsimpson> when you typed "test me" in -read-topic, did you quit your client or did it disconnect you?
[19:01] <`mOOse`> it disco'd me
[19:01] <tsimpson> that means you're still vulnerable then, the firmware update didn't fix the issue
[19:01] <`mOOse`> just as a fyi -what is the issue you speak of?
[19:01] <tsimpson> simply connecting to freenode on another port, like 8001 will fix the issue for you
[19:02] <`mOOse`> is it something I ought to be aware of outside irc?
[19:02] <tsimpson> when a certain string is posted in a channel or PM, your router will attempt to forward the port
[19:02] <tsimpson> which will fail as the string contains the IP address 0 and port 0
[19:02] <tsimpson> it's just an IRC issue, nothing else
[19:02] <tsimpson> well, it's just a port 6667 issue really
[19:03] <`mOOse`> ic
[19:03] <`mOOse`> that's a new one on me
[19:03] <`mOOse`> ok then thanks for the heads up - gonna reconnect on 8001
[19:03] <tsimpson> ok
[19:13] <`mOOse`> howdy again
[19:13] <`mOOse`> :-/
[19:13] <`mOOse`> so
[19:13] <`mOOse`> [14:10:36] Contacting IRC server chat.freenode.net (216.155.130.130) on port 8001
[19:13] <`mOOse`> [14:10:36] Connection established [chat.freenode.net (216.155.130.130:8001)]
[19:13] <`mOOse`> ..
[19:13] <`mOOse`> ?
[19:13] <tsimpson> type "test me" into the -read-topic channel
[19:15] <tsimpson> there you go
[19:15] <Tm_T> nice (:
[19:15] <`mOOse`> I swear - this client has more um, stuff, than a christmas goose....but it's layed out like a 10 yr old ADD kid did it
[19:16] <`mOOse`> aight - thanks tsimpson
[19:17] <Myrtti> has anyone looked at ubuntuzilla yet?
[19:17] <Tm_T> what that is?
[19:17] <Myrtti> or what it is for that matter?
[19:19] <Tm_T> indeed, and why in sourceforge?
[19:21] <gord> im gonna take a wild guess at it being like chromeos but with firefox
[19:22] <Tm_T> firefox builds apparently
[19:22] <gord> so why not just a ppa? o_O
[19:23] <Tm_T> indeed
[21:53] <dutchie> if you folks get a message from manualbot, ignore it, apologies :)
[21:57]  * MenZa eyes dutchie
[21:57]  * dutchie misses the "leave once you're done" bit