[00:00] <Riddell> dhillon-v10: do you know anything about security and PHP?
[00:00] <dhillon-v10> Riddell, php yes, security depends :)
[00:04] <Riddell> dhillon-v10: hmm well launchpad is down so I can't find the details currently
[00:06] <dhillon-v10> Riddell, okay :) well edge seems to be fine here and working faster than usual
[00:10] <nixternal> Riddell: I have experience developing drupal modules
[00:11] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, hi :)
[00:11] <nixternal> howdy
[00:12] <Riddell> "
[00:12] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, sorry I couldn't finish my docs in due time, just busy with school, will finish by tuesday
[00:12] <Riddell> Couloir Slideshow "
[00:12] <ryanakca> I can find you two a link to the source if you want
[00:12] <Riddell> "$caption and the JS display of $file name are not escaped, which could lead to XSS when file names are not trusted (fixing this should be trivial, but will likely break the display of offending images, so instead of filtering, I would recommend just dropping from the list any filenames that do not match their escaped text)."
[00:12] <Riddell> that's the feedback we got
[00:12] <dhillon-v10> ryanakca, sure :)
[00:13] <ryanakca> http://blazingwolf.com/drupal/couloir_slideshow.zip and http://ftp.drupal.org/files/projects/couloir_slideshow-5.x-1.7.tar.gz and the two blurbs
[00:13] <ryanakca> the css and js folders from the zip file need to be copied into the couloir_slideshow folder from the tarball
[00:13] <ryanakca> s/and the two blurbs//
[00:15] <nixternal> ryanakca: why use the couloir one? the regular drupal slideshow is a) pretty good, and most importantly, b) updated
[00:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: the upgrade was so flawless I want to cry :)
[00:16] <ryanakca> nixternal: Please link
[00:16] <nixternal> oh, make go googling will you :p
[00:16] <nixternal> http://drupal.org/project/slideshow
[00:16] <ryanakca> nixternal: We're still on Drupal 5.13
[00:16] <nixternal> that was easy
[00:17] <nixternal> slideshow will work with it
[00:17] <nixternal> NOTE: The Drupal 5 version will not receive new features. It will however get security fixes if necessary until Drupal 7 is released.
[00:18] <ryanakca> nixternal: I don't remember it having a block (if I remember correctly, I last tried a pile of them a while back)
[00:18] <nixternal> ahh
[00:19] <nixternal> I would just use a little bit of ajax and create a block for it
[00:19] <ryanakca> s/,/.../
[00:19] <ryanakca> nixternal: Feel like writing that little bit of ajax? I've never used it
[00:19] <ryanakca> (AJAX)
[00:19] <nixternal> do we link to ajax js or mootools at all?
[00:20] <ryanakca> nixternal: we have access to mootools
[00:20] <nixternal> http://www.google.com/uds/solutions/slideshow/index.html  <- there you go actually
[00:20] <nixternal> ahh, ok mootools
[00:20] <nixternal> is it already linked though in the header?
[00:20] <ryanakca> nixternal: At the moment it isn't included (<!--<script type="text/javascript" src="/themes/kubuntu-theme-v2/mootools.v1.00.js"></script>--!> in the source), but it is in the theme directory
[00:21] <nixternal> groovy
[00:21] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, so I guess you are going to take care of that :)
[00:21] <nixternal> new Slideshow('show', ['1.jpg', '2.jpg', '3.jpg'], { controller: true, hu: 'images/' });
[00:21] <dhillon-v10> * the drupal module
[00:21] <nixternal> there is the code for mootools to do a slideshow :)
[00:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: please cry onto https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[00:22] <Riddell> at the bottom
[00:22] <ryanakca> nixternal: Awesome. Will it work with v1.00 ?
[00:23] <nixternal> hrmm
[00:23] <nixternal> I don't know
[00:23]  * ryanakca still has 25 minutes before 4.4 RC finishes downloading
[00:23]  * ryanakca tests
[00:23] <nixternal> can we use at least 1.2?
[00:23] <nixternal> wtf are we restricted to old stuff?
[00:24] <ryanakca> nixternal: Because each upgrade gets to undergo a long, long, long audit by Canonical's security team.
[00:25] <nixternal> more than likely it will not work
[00:25] <nixternal> as it seems 1.0 has no support now for 2 years?
[00:25] <nixternal> 1.1 is the minimum supposedly
[00:25] <nixternal> why not just us static HTML then, and do everything with css hacks :p
[00:27] <nixternal> ryanakca: it seems that ubuntu.com uses yui3 library, I think we should be able to easily use that instead
[00:29] <ryanakca> nixternal: the above mootools slideshow is an addon to mootools.
[00:30] <ryanakca> nixternal: http://freshcutsd.com/yui-slideshow/
[00:34] <nixternal> looks pretty nice
[00:35] <ryanakca> nixternal: No licensing on it though :/
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> whee: http://www.kde.org/info/4.3.90.php#binary
[00:36]  * Quintasan hands cookies and vodka to JontheEchidna
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> a bit young for vodka yet ;-)
[00:37] <nixternal> I'm not, give it to me :)
[00:37] <Quintasan> hell no
[00:37] <Quintasan> :P
[00:37] <nixternal> we can share then?
[00:37] <Quintasan> better now :P
[00:37] <nixternal> just give me some damn vodka!!! hurry, I am starting to itch :p
[00:38] <nixternal> I hate our PPAs
[00:38] <nixternal> why? because I am confused right now
[00:38]  * Quintasan pours some vodka for nixternal
[00:38] <nixternal> we have KOffice2 in backports with wv2 package which is great
[00:38] <nixternal> bad thing is, koffice2 will not work with 4.4*
[00:39] <nixternal> so, I am building koffice2 with a dep on the backports ppa for wv2 and the beta backports ppa for libkdcraw8
[00:39] <nixternal> wtf am I going to put this when it is done?
[00:39] <nixternal> because in backports, it is 4.3.4 on the kde front
[00:40] <Riddell> Nightrose, markey: is there an amarok 2.2.2 tar?
[00:40] <Nightrose> Riddell: yes on ktown
[00:41] <Riddell> hmm, I seem to have missed that
[00:41] <Riddell> Nightrose: when is release due?
[00:41] <Nightrose> monday late evening
[00:41] <Riddell> ok
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: obviously we need a new stable-backports-that-need-beta ppa
[00:41] <nixternal> damn, just saw an upload on ktown for koffice 2.1.1, but that isn't getting released until next week according to pkgr
[00:42] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: I was thinking similar actually
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> :P
[00:42] <Riddell> nixternal: I never bother with release protocol for koffice, if there's a tar we can upload it
[00:42] <nixternal> or ppas based on version
[00:42] <nixternal> Riddell: I am going to build it, but I am building it against libkdcraw8 instead of 7
[00:42] <nixternal> I guess I could always build it in my ppa and then copy it
[00:44] <nixternal> or, we can add a koffice2 ppa :p
[00:48] <nixternal> I notice we haven't packaged the translations for koffice2 as well...any reason behind that?
[00:50] <Riddell> nixternal: on the todo list along with replacing koffice 1 with 2
[00:50] <nixternal> ahh, ok...i was just looking at the ppa
[00:54] <nixternal> grrr, double grrr
[01:04]  * ScottK tries to pong _Groo_, but he's not here.
[01:11] <ScottK> Riddell: Help! https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3ubuntu1/+build/1438608/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdelibs_4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:13] <Riddell> ScottK: libtool segfaulting doesn't sound easy to fix
[01:13] <Riddell> NCommander: help!
[01:13] <ScottK> Particularly since it's kdelibs embedded copy of libtool and not the system one.
[01:14]  * ScottK is glad he saw NCommander re-commit to all of Main building on armel recently.
[01:15] <ScottK> Riddell: The good news is that packages that were suddenly FTBFS with the previous revision of kdelibs build with this one.
[01:15] <Riddell> KDE 3 kdelibs will move to universe anyway, I'm not sure I'd care much about it
[01:24] <nixternal> hrmm, koffice in bzr is a bit nuts...i think with all of the changes that were made, it shouldn't have been left unreleased, or at least unfinished...the current changes don't build anyways, plus they are older than the version in the repos
[01:25] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, just finished another doc. for support about to push it
[01:25] <nixternal> groovy
[01:27] <nixternal> wishlist: launchpad, get rid of karma please!
[01:32] <ryanakca> Riddell: Upgrade went smoothly. Should nepomuk recommend virtuoso-{drivers,server} ?
[01:32] <Riddell> soprano probably should
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> soprano-daemon would be the correct package to add such dependencies, imo
[01:32] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: I was thinking, maybe a PPA for dependencies like wv2 and such, that doesn't depend on kdelibs or such...that would make it a bit easier
[01:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kde-l10n going into kubuntu-ppa/beta now
[01:33] <nixternal> that way there we could have koffice in backports that builds against 4.3.4 and one in experimental that builds against 4.4*
[01:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: think I can move over the other packages?
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4-rc-1
[01:34] <ScottK> Because we don't have enough PPAs already?
[01:34]  * nixternal goes to update to rc1...brb
[01:35] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'm behind the times
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[01:35] <ryanakca> Also, staring strigi indexation from the Nepomuk/Strigi config app (not sure what it is in English, in French: "Rechercher sur le bureau; Configuration du serveur Nepomuk / Strigi") without virtuoso installed caused 15 identical windows saying "Nepomuk Indexing Disabled" to pop up.
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> the nepomuk/akonadi stack is much to verbose in general, imo
[01:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that story missed how to add the archive, and there's no context for the "ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta" line at the bottom
[01:37] <ryanakca> ... *and* they refuse to close from a right click the window's entry in the task manager and select close. I have to bring the window up and click OK, repeat with the next one, and on and on and on.
[01:37] <Riddell> "kde-l10n-bg_4.3.90-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1.dsc: format '3.0 (quilt)' is not permitted in karmic"  darn
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ok, I'll add some more instructions. I modeled it after the beta announcement that never got published, which only gave the ppa url, so I thought that the lack of instructions might have been intentional. Guess it was just incomplete ;-)
[01:40] <ryanakca> Where should I report bugs? Upstream KDE?
[01:40] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: hmm, we should sort our PPA story template to have what it needs
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: that's preferrable, yes
[01:41] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it should link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> Ok, updated
[01:48] <txwikinger> ubuntuone breaks my kde on the mac
[01:51] <Riddell> hugs to JontheEchidna for doing RC 1
[01:51]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:51]  * JontheEchidna feels hugged :)
[02:02] <NCommander> Riddell, *cries*
[02:02]  * NCommander cries hard
[02:04] <txwikinger> NCommander: Riddell probably sleeps
[02:05] <NCommander> he does?
[02:06] <txwikinger> Is 2am in Scotland
[02:06] <ScottK> More likely he saw that satellite photo of Great Britain completely white that was on BBC the other day and thought "great time for a canoe".
[02:06] <txwikinger> ScottK: Put some Huskeys in fornt of the canoe and you have a treat
[02:06] <ScottK> ;-)
[02:11]  * txwikinger thinks McNabb needs to run a bit more
[02:12] <maco> ScottK: nah he was whinging to me the other day that he couldn't canoe because the canal was frozen and couldn't jog because the sidewalks were frozen and couldn't swim because the pools close for the holidays
[02:12] <maco> thoen again, could be cabogganing...
[02:13] <txwikinger> Well.. if the canal is frozen you can skate on it
[02:13] <maco> depends how thick the ice is though
[02:13] <txwikinger> should be good enough
[02:14] <maco> yeah i guess if it was thin he'd just break the ice and canoe like he did last week
[02:15]  * txwikinger needs to geet some crosscountry skis
[02:16]  * txwikinger wonders where all the snow is... last year we had a lot more snow
[02:16] <txwikinger> ah I remember in UK and Europe
[03:11] <JontheEchidna> yay, mesa fix built on i386
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> published too
[03:13] <daskreech> Whoot
[03:13]  * daskreech hugs JontheEchidna
[03:13]  * JontheEchidna didn't do anything :)
[03:15] <daskreech> I didn't say I hugged you for anything :)
[03:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I already started retrying stuff.
[03:24] <nixternal> ScottK: did you break mesa?
[03:24] <ScottK> nixternal: I did not.
[03:25] <ScottK> Our beloved X maintainers broke it.
[03:25] <nixternal> sneaky koffice devs ripped out krita docs, which wasn't in a changelog :)  found that out after upping to a PPA...funny thin is amd64 and lpia built without any problems, but i386 died on the krita docs, but neither amd64 nor lpia built the koffice-doc-html-kde4 package
[03:25] <nixternal> tselliot or bryce?
[03:26] <nixternal> I need to pick on somebody, and they are both fun to poke fun at
[03:26] <ScottK> I didn't assign specific blame, but I think bryce is on a rotation, so I'd pick tseliot.
[03:26] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:28] <nixternal> it is sad, I think more money is spent on cialis and viagra commercials than what is spent on cancer and aids cures
[03:28] <nixternal> i just had cialis, viagra, and extenz commercials within the past 30 minutes on tv
[03:28] <nixternal> I want to punch that little smiling guy...he gets on my nerves
[03:30] <ScottK> nixternal: Survey says tseliot: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/7.6.1~rc3-1ubuntu2
[03:32] <nixternal> muhahaha
[03:32] <daskreech> nixternal: I love his wife
[03:32] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, lol punch him
[03:33]  * ScottK recalls a conversation his wife had with the eldest daughter recently when she was so upset with someone at school, she said she was going to punch the other girl.
[03:34] <ScottK> "Dear, you're 18 now, it's not just a fight, it's assault and battery."
[03:37] <nixternal> bah, it's only a misdameanor if the other person presses charges
[03:37] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, :)
[03:37] <daskreech> Assault is a misdemeanor?
[03:38] <nixternal> it is actually simple battery
[03:38] <nixternal> unless of course she stomps a mudhole in the other person, then they will go for assault
[03:39] <nixternal> when I was in school, it was better to fight inside the school instead of going outside...inside you wouldn't be arrested just suspended, outside you would be both arrested and suspended
[03:39] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, that's actually smart thinking
[03:40] <nixternal> I always found it best to fight on the monday before winter or spring breaks...that way there you got 3 weeks off
[03:40] <daskreech> People thought in school?
[03:40] <nixternal> did I say though?
[03:40] <nixternal> had me confused for a second
[03:41] <nixternal> my senior year the principle caught on, and made me come to school every day for 8 hours of detention during spring break
[03:52] <ScottK> ;-)
[04:54] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu-devs don't have the shiny retry buttons for Main packages they can upload to anyways :(
[05:10] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That's a bug then.
[05:10] <ScottK> You should be able to retry any package you can upload.
[05:10] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: What package?
[05:12] <JontheEchidna> plasma-addons, for one
[05:12] <JontheEchidna> would that be a soyuz bug or a launchpad bug?
[05:12]  * ScottK looks
[05:13] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'd guess soyuz.
[05:24] <JontheEchidna> bug 505385 if anybody is interested in following it
[07:13] <nixternal> I have koffice 2.1.1 for karmic in my ppa...I have it build against libdcraw8 which is 4.4 rc1...should I just put it in the beta backports ppa and then repackage it to build against libdcraw7 and put it in the backports ppa?
[07:13] <nixternal> we will have it in 2 locations, but one works with 4.4 and one works with 4.3.4
[07:17] <ejat> +1 nixternal :)
[07:22] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: approve my ppa membership please
[07:23] <nixternal> would be nice if kubuntu-members was a member of ~kubuntu-ppa
[07:24] <nixternal> at least kubuntu-devel
[07:57] <nixternal> Riddell: if you wake up first, I joined ~kubuntu-ppa but need to be approved. Wouldn't it make sense to at least add ~kubuntu-dev?
[10:44] <Mamarok> OK, we have a problem here:
[10:45] <Mamarok> Somebody using Gnome wants to try Amarok 2.2.2 beta without installing KDE 4.4 RC 1
[10:45] <Mamarok> and since I guess (and hope) you did build Amarok 2.2.2 beta gainst KDE 4.3.x and not KDE 4.4 we have a problem here
[10:46] <Mamarok> how does he get the KDE 4.3.3 or 4.3.4 libs needed by Amarok without pulling in the KDE 4.4. RC 1 versions?
[10:46] <Mamarok> I assume he needs to download the deb files, right?
[10:49] <tsimpson> add the repository, install amarok, remove the repository?
[10:50] <Mamarok> well, he needs the libs from KDE 4.3.4, is it for sure not going to install KDE 4.4?
[10:50] <Mamarok> maybe I just didn't have enough coffee yet
[10:51] <Mamarok> the most important question is to know if Amarok 2.2.2 beta is build against KDE 4.3.x, then it should work, right?
[10:51] <tsimpson> if it's built against 4.3.x, then it should work
[10:52] <Mamarok> OK, will check that, I very much hope so
[10:53] <Mamarok> but as it is in the Beat PPA, I fear the worst
[10:53] <Mamarok> we recommend KDE 4.3.2, and 2.2.1 was build against 4.3.3 already...
[10:55] <tsimpson> yeah, 2.2.1.90 is built requires >= 4:4.3.80
[11:05] <Mamarok> *headbang*
[11:05] <Mamarok> who on earth had this totall stupid idea to build Amarok against KDE 4.4 neta?
[11:05] <Mamarok> this is crazy :(
[11:06] <Mamarok> *beta
[11:06] <Mamarok> we depend on Qt 4.5, and please do build Amarok against that, *not* Qt 4.6
[11:06] <tsimpson> Jonathan Riddell  (2009-12-22) ;)
[11:06] <Mamarok> who is not around today I guess..,
[11:07] <tsimpson> it's probably more to do with that it was built in that PPA, rather than explicitly built against 4.4
[11:08] <Mamarok> well, it is just wrong
[11:15] <Riddell> Mamarok: I'm afraid we only have so many PPAs, people complain and get confused by the number we have anyway
[11:15] <Riddell> Mamarok: but why shouldn't amarok be build against qt 4.6?  in lucid that's what'll happen
[11:17] <Mamarok> well, Lucid is not out yet, but 2.2.2 final needs to be built against Qt 4.5, there are so many bugs in Qt 4.6 it is pure hell
[11:17] <Mamarok> for Karmic
[11:18] <Mamarok> Riddell: I don't think Amarok should have been in that PPA for start, currently people are on Karmic
[11:18] <Riddell> 2.2.2 final will go in the backports PPA (or indeed backports proper) where it'll have qt 4.5
[11:18] <Mamarok> good, just to make sure we don't have bug reports galore because of Qt 4.6
[11:18] <Mamarok> which is already hell
[11:19] <Riddell> that is the current version of qt, and KDE will be released with qt 4.6 by the end of the month so that's what is going to be used in a lot of places
[11:19] <Mamarok> yeah, unfortunately, we will be drowning in Qt 4.6 related bug reports, rejoice!
[11:23] <Mamarok> Riddell: sorry for my wording earlier, I was just not happy at all when I found out the 4.6 dependency, it is causing problems all over
[11:24] <Mamarok> and by the time Lucid is out we will have Amarok 2.2.3 released anyway
[11:28] <Mamarok> oh, and how do people who have installed the beta version go back to Qt 4.5 for 2.2.2 final?
[11:28] <Mamarok> reinstalling I guess...
[11:28] <Riddell> no easy way to do that
[11:31] <Mamarok> well, there we will have a problem, then, at least good to know the reason for it
[11:34] <Mamarok> what would be the easiest way to solve that?
[11:35] <Riddell> the kubuntu.org news is pretty clear that they all the betas come together
[11:36] <Riddell> apt-get remove libqtcore4; remove beta PPA, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:37] <Mamarok> OK, will prepare a sticky forum post for that, then :)
[11:37] <Mamarok> thanks a lot
[12:30] <neversfelde> what is the mail with subject "A new settings file for the neversfelde@kubuntu.org mailbox" about?
[12:30] <neversfelde> looks like Spam and my spamassassin does not like it too :)
[12:43] <Riddell> neversfelde: probably spam then
[12:47] <neversfelde> Riddell: ok, so there was no change of the mailbox settings. I do not know what happens, when clicking the link, but probably this is a security issue
[12:54] <Riddell> it's spam, everyone gets it, quite a lot of it
[12:58] <ryanakca> For those interested, http://jshaver.com/bin/kubuntu-910-review/
[13:45] <Riddell>  "Great Job Kubuntu and KDE Teams!" sweet
[14:47] <ryanakca> Riddell: Aye, I linked to it from the reviews and he accepted to be our "User of the Moment" for a while once the sysadmins pull the theme. He also said he was interested in helping out, so I've forwarded him here and to the ML.
[14:48] <ryanakca> s@reviews@http://www.kubuntu.org/reviews@
[14:49] <Riddell> lovely
[14:50] <maco> skype integration with kopete?
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> moin
[14:50]  * ryanakca shrugs
[14:50] <maco> someone *may* have just given me a reason to switch from pidgin
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> I think it's only skype text chat at the moment
[14:51] <Daskreech> maco: Integration is a strong word
[14:51] <Daskreech> It's awrapper IE you need to have skype installed and running
[14:52] <ryanakca> Googling shows http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kopete%20skype/ ... but it also says that it is no longer being developed because of incompatibility issues
[14:52] <Daskreech> but then you can treat skype as if it's a kopete protocol
[14:52] <maco> Daskreech: oh
[14:52] <maco> i thought maybe i didnt need to have it running :(
[14:53] <ryanakca> Is anybody else experiencing plasma-desktop with >50% cpu usage since upgrading to RC?
[15:13] <ryanakca> Also, could someone apply http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/soprano.diff to the soprano package please?
[15:55] <Daskreech> maco: yeah i thought as well but I have grown to quite like it
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-workspace needs retried
[16:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: done
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> ugh, mesa still busted
[16:40] <Daskreech> What's the deal with Mesa?
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> Moved libGl.so to another directory, the linkers can't find it so nothing can link against it
[16:47] <ScottK> The #ubuntu-x people have a solution that requires making changes to every single package that builds against mesa.
[16:48] <ScottK> I'ts been suggested they go try again.
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> :/
[16:50] <Riddell> oh how things have changed, this is what the entire breezy cycle was like
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> that would involve carrying patches for half the packages in the archive
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> do not want
[16:53] <Daskreech> ScottK: oh not as as in rebuilding? as in patching every single codebase?
[16:53] <ScottK> Daskreech: Yes.
[16:53] <Daskreech> ha
[17:05] <ScottK> Looks like 4.3.90 is a built as it can get until mesa gets sorted (on all archs)
[17:10] <al> where was libGL moved to?
[17:11] <ryanakca> Forgive my ignorance, but why wouldn't a symlink from the old location to the new fix it?
[17:12] <al> was thinking the same
[17:12] <al> esp. since it's usualy dpkg-diverted anyways
[17:13] <ScottK> al: They are trying to switch to using update-alternatives instead of a dpkg-divert.
[17:13] <ScottK> (or something like that)
[17:13] <ScottK> Thre are a number of possibilities, none of them great.
[17:13] <ScottK> Whine in #ubuntu-x for details.
[17:13] <al> well, makes sense, kind of
[17:13] <al> but then again i don't switch my video hardware constantly
[17:14] <ScottK> We're just the victim here.
[17:14]  * ScottK doesn't care beyone he wants KDE stuff to build without having to make changes to every singe package in the archive that builds against mesa.
[17:14] <al> since i'm not using *ubuntu atm, i don't care so much ;)
[17:14] <ScottK> OK.
[17:15] <ScottK> So you switched to BSD?
[17:15] <al> i noticed a significant difference between my slow kubuntu and the faster gentoo flavor i'm using atm
[17:15] <ScottK> I see.
[17:15] <al> nope, couldn't be bothered to change the filesystem
[17:16] <al> kubuntu used a newer x.org with the new radeon driver that used EXA (sp?) 2d acceleration
[17:16] <al> where my gentoo's still at the old method (XAA ?)
[17:17] <al> anyway, all the rendering work is done by libpixman's pixman_fill_sse2() and libxaa's XAAMoveDWORDS()
[17:17] <ScottK> It's uxa in Karmic
[17:17] <ScottK> (I think)
[17:18] <al> while kubuntu's method caused a lot more mem(cpy|move)s
[17:18]  * ryanakca will pick near instant KDE installs over compiling for a couple of days any day of the week, even if it means a small speed difference when running it. But that's just me :)
[17:18] <al> haven't tried reverting kubuntu's driver version to the old method yet
[17:19] <al> ryanakca: i'd agree
[17:19] <ScottK> If you come up with something that would be potentially suitable for the archive, please let us know.
[17:19] <al> but kubuntu is really *that* slow on this hardware
[17:20] <al> i'm still running it on the office machine though
[17:20] <al> works like a charm there
[17:21] <ryanakca> ScottK: bangarang is ready to get uploaded to Debian, I'm just waiting for someone to sponsor it. Bangarang 1.0 should be released some time this week I believe.
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I noticed you did the last upload to krecipes to fix a ftbfs. Were you planning on merging the latest debian upload?
[17:29] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No.  I'm pretty much off merges right now.  Feel free to grab it.
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> When mesa is finally fixed, I have a kdeplasma-addons upload I'd like to do in lieu of a rebuild
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> oh cool, we can sync krecipes now
[18:27] <neversfelde> Riddell: I had a look at choqok alpha, seems that there is no way to add new accounts at the moment. I did not talk to upstream yet, but I think we should not use it before this problem is solved, especially for a LTS.
[18:42] <Riddell> neversfelde: ok, thanks for looking into that
[18:42] <neversfelde> Riddell: I'll ask upstream, if they get it fixed till April
[18:53] <nixternal> neversfelde: are they still working on choqok? I have noticed that development was either stalled or very slow about a month ago...tis the reason I went to twirssi for socializing...fits into irssi quite nice :)
[18:54] <neversfelde> nixternal: mtux, the lead developer has to absolve military service, i think it might not be fun in Iran. I noticed some dents about new plugins, but I guess the developement is slow.
[18:57] <Daskreech> Plus the time that they stopped ssh out of IRan
[18:59] <neversfelde> yes
[19:04] <nixternal> wow, that is crazy, didn't know all of that
[19:04] <Daskreech> nixternal: join identi.ca :-P
[19:05] <Daskreech> It's hte new blog :)
[20:10] <nixternal>                                                                                  felipe_
[20:10] <nixternal> 12:04:11              >>> xerosis_!n=kieran@188-220-85-59.zone11.bethere.co.uk                                                                                                                                                                                          flacoste
[20:10] <nixternal> 12:05:48              ~   yofel_ is now yofel                                                                                                                                                                                                                           freeflying
[20:14] <nixternal> wtf
[20:15] <yofel> middle click paste used by mistake?
[20:15] <nixternal> I guess so
[20:15] <nixternal> sorry about that
[20:15] <yofel> np
[20:15] <nixternal> I wasn't even paying attention to yakuake...I was messing around in browsers, so my fingers must have hit something
[20:16] <nixternal> thankfully I didn't highlight my pr0n list :p
[20:26] <Daskreech> echo fatbottomedgirls >> ~/.secretpasswordbackupfile
[20:26] <Daskreech> Whoops middle click paste error :-p
[20:27] <crimsun> I bet you have queen songs for all your passphrases
[20:27] <Daskreech> no
[20:28] <Daskreech> one is Iarethechampions
[20:28] <nixternal> good ol' queen :p
[20:28] <nixternal> freddy ftw!
[20:28] <nixternal> nobody has been able to sing like that guy
[20:30] <Daskreech> Despite PS3 saying otherwise
[20:35] <crimsun> hmm
[20:35] <crimsun> I presume it's intentional that ~ubuntu-core-dev is not a member of ~kubuntu-members?
[20:37] <jussi01> crimsun: but its a member of ubuntu members, yes?
[20:37]  * jussi01 notes its ~*ubuntu*-core-dev
[20:38] <crimsun> jussi01: I'm trying to figure out how to push a bug fix into lp:~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu
[20:38] <ScottK> crimsun: IIRC, we just add someone like you when they ask.
[20:38] <jussi01> yeah, thats what I was about to say
[20:39] <jussi01> ScottK: meantime you could probably push crimsun's bug fix, no?
[20:40] <ScottK> jussi01: So could you.
[20:40] <ScottK> crimsun: If you want  to push a branch somewhere I'll merge it while the bureacracy gets figured out.
[20:43] <crimsun> ok
[20:43] <crimsun> nixternal: hi, is there any reason why kdm.upstart isn't "mostly" synced with its gdm counterpart?
[20:44] <nixternal> dunno, haven't looked at it since I created it originally...it has been changed since then by others
[20:44] <ScottK> Back later.
[20:45] <jussi01> crimsun: actually, if youve the time, it could be good for me to learn how to do this push thing.
[20:46]  * jussi01 hasnt touched such items for a very long time
[20:47] <crimsun> sure, one sec
[20:47] <crimsun> I'll do the minimal fix first and look more closely at resyncing kdm.upstart later
[20:47] <jussi01> ok :)
[20:55] <crimsun> jussi01: https://code.launchpad.net/~crimsun/kdebase-workspace/remove_hal_dep_from_kdm_upstart/+merge/17106
[20:56] <crimsun> sorry, https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/+merges is probably more appropriate
[20:58] <jussi01> ok
[20:58] <jussi01> looking now
[20:59] <jussi01> ok, Im going to have to trust you. :D is there a particular commit message I should put?
[21:00] <jussi01> crimsun:^
[21:00] <crimsun> jussi01: I don't know offhand if there is protocol for Kubuntu devs for such
[21:01] <crimsun> FWIW, this change was tested by yofel
[21:01] <ScottK> Usually I put the debian/changelog entry as the commit message, but that's just me.
[21:01] <jussi01> ok, /me is trying to fgure out how to actually do this
[21:01] <crimsun> yeah, I use debcommit
[21:02] <jussi01> ScottK: crimsun care to help me here? :D
[21:03] <jussi01> Ive added the commit message, what now?
[21:03] <nixternal> bzr push that badboy
[21:04] <maco> if you put something in debian/changelog then do "debcommit" it fills in your commit message for you
[21:04] <nixternal> maco: ahh good pointer, I didn't know that
[21:04] <nixternal> then again, I just bzr very simplisticly as I am still so used to svn
[21:05] <jussi01> ok, I think Im going to have to let someone else sort this as Im probably not set up to do this... Im just looking at the LP webpage.... :/
[21:06] <ScottK> OK.  I'll do it.
[21:10] <nixternal> Nightrose: is there an agenda for the kde-edu meeting this week?
[21:11] <ScottK> crimsun: Merged.  Thank you.
[21:12] <crimsun> ScottK: thanks/yw
[21:12] <Nightrose> nixternal: discussing the results of the survey we did, plan the IRL meeting in switzerland, discuss future video content that could be done, see what new people turn up
[21:12] <Nightrose> and then whatever else people come up with
[21:15] <nixternal> groovy, I am going to try and make it...I passed the info on the rest in Edubuntu as well
[21:16] <Nightrose> perfect
[21:16] <Nightrose> thx
[22:29] <ulysses__> bug 505653
[22:49] <ofirk> I read that it isn't safe to upgrade to 4,4 RC1 on Lucid but is it safe on Karmic?
[22:52] <Riddell> ofirk: right
[22:53] <ofirk> Riddell: so is it safe or not?
[22:53] <Riddell> ulysses__: that's waiting on virtuoso getting main inclusion
[22:55] <ryanakca> ofirk: It is safe on Karmic
[22:56] <ofirk> ryanakca: thanks :)
[22:56] <ulysses__> Riddell: so should I care for it, or not? (I think I can make a debdiff for that if it's neccessary)
[22:58] <ryanakca> ulysses__: I made one earlier, http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/soprano.diff ... however, that was for virtuoso-drivers/virtuoso-server ...
[22:59] <Riddell> ulysses__: can't do anything until pitti approves this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtuoso-opensource/+bug/503774
[22:59] <ulysses__> Riddell: ok
[23:28] <nixternal> ScottK: maybe you can answer this for me, as I am to lazy to really research it right now, and I can't remmeber off hand, but is the archive reorg going to fix issues with us having to MIR this or that, ie. we won't have to have something in main and what not for builds?
[23:28] <nixternal> shoot, I sent out a big email and forgot one thing...and now I can't remember that one thing I forgot
[23:31] <Riddell> nixternal: no archive reorg has happened and isn't related to main inclusion
[23:36] <claydoh> nixternal: you forgot the part about cookies and tea for all :)
[23:36] <maco> cookies and tea?
[23:37] <claydoh> maco: it might bring in more to the party
[23:37] <claydoh> I'll buy
[23:37] <maco> claydoh: i was wondering where they were :P
[23:40] <claydoh> I have licorice-spice, lemon-ginger, some green tea of some sort, and  peppermint, but no cookies