[00:02] <ahsan_> i hav some speed issues wid karmic
[00:02] <ahsan_> is it slower than hardy
[00:03] <ahsan_> i jus upgraded to karmic
[00:17] <Wolfcastle> hello
[00:17] <Wolfcastle> anyone using lokalize? need a little help
[00:21] <aquileo> hello
[00:21] <sheperd> hi
[00:22] <kaddi> is there a decay time for bugs? I reported one I would really like to see fixed a year ago and updated it over the last 12 month, without anybody else taking a look at it
[00:22] <kaddi> is there anything i can do?
[00:22] <kaddi> should I just refile it?
[00:35] <supermagnum> is there some GUI that handles com port setting ?
[00:36] <jwill-> supermagnum: Well, iptables, but it's not exactly a GUI...
[00:36] <Izinucs>  supermagnum you trying to get a fax modem working?
[00:37] <supermagnum> no, trying to flash a megasquirt
[00:37] <Izinucs> supermagnum: usb or serial db9/25?
[00:37] <supermagnum> RS-232
[00:37] <supermagnum> aka db9
[00:38] <supermagnum> stty1
[00:38] <Izinucs> supermagnum: ah.. you know the port..
[00:39] <Izinucs> supermagnum: not sure really... unless there is a modem program that allow setting of the com port like gtkfax (not sure what the kde version is).. what piece of software does the flashing?
[00:39] <supermagnum> mtxloader
[00:40] <supermagnum> and there is no settings for coms in that
[00:40] <Izinucs> supermagnum: will it allow putting the settings in there
[00:41] <supermagnum> nope, i cannot find any settings on the menu
[00:42] <supermagnum> just: file -> load firmware , get ECU signature , quit
[00:43] <supermagnum> and port: /dev/ttyS1
[00:45] <Izinucs> supermagnum: maybe it handles it internally
[00:47] <supermagnum> thats possible
[01:03] <supermagnum> whats the bootstrap.s19 for ?
[01:03] <ilumi> i added some scripts to rc.d, and im getting a inittab file error, how can i fix this?
[01:05] <Izinucs> supermagnum: http://www.cs.uml.edu/~fredm/cher/contrib/download-68hc11/readme
[01:06] <newbie123abc> KTTS fail?
[01:06] <newbie123abc> where is it?
[01:07] <jwill-> newbie123abc: Has it been ported from kde3?
[01:07] <newbie123abc> jwill-: no
[01:07] <jwill-> newbie123abc: Well... then there's no KTTS for kde4...
[01:08] <newbie123abc> jwill-: okular msg
[01:08] <jwill-> newbie123abc: ?
[01:08] <Dragnslcr> !info ktts
[01:09] <jwill-> newbie123abc: You want to read some text in a pdf document?
[01:09] <Dragnslcr> !info kttsd
[01:09] <Dragnslcr> Is that what you're looking for, newbie123abc?
[01:09] <newbie123abc> jwill-: i want, but my master thesis no.
[01:09] <newbie123abc> jwill-: gotcha
[01:10] <jwill-> Huh, guess it was ported to kde4.
[01:10] <newbie123abc> jwill-: kde clock speech
[01:10] <newbie123abc> jwill-: i'll go disable it
[01:10] <jwill-> newbie123abc: I don't know what you're talking about.
[01:11] <_2> hello cups question...   i'm on 127.0.0.1:631  trying to configure my print system   and it's asking for username and password....   ummm is that something that i have to setup  or is it the system user/passwd pair ?    my system is not exactly default and i may need to adjust username or something.  any help with cups ?
[01:11] <newbie123abc> jwill-: clock -> right click -> "digital clock setup" -> general
[01:12] <jwill-> newbie123abc: Yes.  What about it, though?
[01:12] <newbie123abc> jwill-: when kde try to speech clock, that msg appear
[01:12] <newbie123abc> jwill-: KTTS........
[01:13] <jwill-> newbie123abc: Install kttsd like Dragnsl`cr said.
[01:13] <jwill-> newbie123abc: sudo aptitude install kttsd
[01:13] <newbie123abc> jwill-: ok
[01:13] <Izinucs> Is there a kde front end for efax?
[01:14] <_2> gmt (greenwitch mean time)  which dirrcetion is +5  ?
[01:15] <Izinucs> east of you
[01:16] <_2> Izinucs then why is us eastern time == gmt+5     what am i missing about that ?
[01:17] <Izinucs> Eastern US is -5.. I'm in Calif and that is -8
[01:17] <_2> Izinucs sudo tzconfig  and select gmt-8  and see if it is right
[01:21] <Izinucs> sudo txconfig is deprecated .. says to use dpkg-reconfigure tzdata.. however if you think about it if the sun is just peaking out in London (gmt apx) at 6am.. what time is it on the US east coast?  1am.. so the east coast is 5 hours behind London thus -5.. those who are +5 are ahead of London
[01:26] <_2> Izinucs no argument about your logic.  it's sound.   problem is that tzconfig/what ever replaced it   is still backwards    for an acurate setting for us western is gmt+8      why?   i don't know.
[01:29] <Izinucs> _2: I get so many updates for tzconfig I just gotta wonder.. At least on install when you get to the area to pick your time zone it is represented correctly.. perhaps your bios is set for your local time and tzconfig is seeing that and simply saying that gmt is +8 or +5 or whatever
[01:32] <ilumi> i added some scripts to rc.d, and im getting a inittab file error, how can i fix this?
[01:36] <thegatekeeper> any ideas why i get nvidia0 input output error when startx
[01:36] <thegatekeeper> usint 195.30
[01:37] <ilumi> can anyone running kubuntu 9.10 check if there is a /etc/inittab file?
[01:38] <Fanfare> ilumi: theres none!
[01:38] <ilumi> Fanfare: thanks, can you check if there is one anywhere?
[01:39] <ilumi> Fanfare: locate inittab or find?
[01:39] <Fanfare> ilumi: /usr/lib/upstart/migrate-inittab.pl
[01:39] <Fanfare> ilumi: iirc there is /etc/console.con or something...
[01:40] <Fanfare> f
[01:40] <ilumi> Fanfare: ok, thanks
[01:46] <Guest52144> guys
[01:46] <daskreech> bots
[01:46] <Guest52144> i have a quick question, i accidently removed the app launcher "K" think from the left side fo the bar and now it will only add to right side, any ideas?
[01:48] <daskreech> Guest52144: click the cashew at the end of the bar. If you mouse over any widget on it you will get a cross with four arrows which means you can move the widget. Just Klick and drag it to where you want
[01:48] <daskreech> You can click the desktop or the close button on the options bar to come out of edit mode
[01:49] <Guest52144> brilliant
[01:49] <Guest52144> daskreech: thank yu
[01:49] <Guest52144> you
[01:49] <Guest52144> i'm a noob so i have a few more questions, how do i authenticate my identinty in Quassel?
[01:51] <daskreech> Guest52144: I assume you mean to IRC?
[01:51] <daskreech> !register | Guest52144 Thats an IRC thing. Read this
[01:51] <xixor> Howdy, so, just installed kubuntu and samba, I can right click in dolphin and configure a share, so I made a public writeable share with guest accounts permitted.  Read only = no, and I select my user in the specified users as the share admin.  However, when I mount the share from my mac, and login as the Guest, the share is un-writeable, and I am unable to mount the share using my username and password.  Is there anything else that must be done to setup samb
[01:51] <Guest52144> daskreech: yes, I have a registered nickname but just want to use quaseel
[01:51] <xixor> with kde?
[01:52] <daskreech> Guest52144: Ah you want to know how to get Quassel to register with nickerv for you?
[01:52] <Guest52144> daskreech: correct
[01:52] <Zhenya> I got it to work
[01:52] <Zhenya> WOOT
[01:53] <daskreech> Guest96263: Settings -> Configure Quassel -> Networks -> Auto Identify
[01:53] <daskreech> Guest96263: Whoot
[01:54] <Guest96263> weird it broke.....
[01:55] <Zhenya> testing again!
[01:57] <Guest40946> dang it, it is saying i failed to identify
[01:58] <daskreech> Guest40946: you put the top form as nickserv and the bottom form as your password?
[01:58] <Guest40946> daskreech: correct!
[02:00] <Zhenya> ok i think that worked woot
[02:01] <Zhenya> Now i have another question? do y'all know what firefox keeps closing when i try to install adobe air?
[02:08] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: when does it close?
[02:08] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: once the install starts to load, but konquerer is working so i'll just use that for this purpose :D
[02:09] <iconmefisto> I just started the install and firefox is still doing fine
[02:09] <daskreech> Zhenya: What it's closing?
[02:09] <Zhenya> all of firefox
[02:09] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: install completed, firefox still running. maybe a problem with your firefox profile?
[02:10] <Zhenya> must be
[02:10] <Zhenya> i'm brand new to linux so this is taking some getting used to!
[02:10] <daskreech> Welcome to linux!
[02:11] <daskreech> I will tell you right now that Adobe Air is tested against Gnome or more specifically metacity so if things are not working swap out kwin for metacity
[02:11] <daskreech> That is if you really want Adobe Air
[02:12] <Zhenya> daskreech: i have no idea wat kwin and metacity are :P i feel like  a little n00bster
[02:12] <Zhenya> i only want air for tweetdeck
[02:12] <Zhenya> and suggestions for a better twitter client?
[02:18] <aahicnow> anyone here successfully gotten a rogers stick working
[02:18] <tcarter> I have connected my computer to my tv via HDMI cable....why can't i get a picture?
[02:19] <tcarter> anyone there?
[02:19] <aahicnow> laptop? desktop?
[02:20] <tcarter> desktop
[02:20] <aahicnow> so u have disconnectedur monitor or u have dual outputs
[02:21] <tcarter> i have monitor hooked up via rgb....and  tv via hdmi
[02:21] <tcarter> both oututs on same graphics card
[02:22] <tcarter> outputs
[02:22] <aahicnow> does ur video card support running both at same time
[02:22] <tcarter> not sure
[02:22] <aahicnow> id start there
[02:22] <Zhenya> guys just did some updates and now when i reboot i have a -14 and -17 kernel
[02:23] <tcarter> hhow would i procede then
[02:23] <Zhenya> do i need to remove the 14 kernel leave or what? it's just adding extra lines to my gnu dual boot menu
[02:23] <aahicnow> read up on your video card
[02:23] <tcarter> ok
[02:24] <Fanfare> Zhenya: removing 14 kernel is optional and does not harm... its there as a fallback...
[02:24] <aahicnow> anyone here successfully gotten a rogers stick working
[02:24] <Zhenya> Fanfare: is it taking up room?
[02:25] <Fanfare> Zhenya: sure it does
[02:25] <Zhenya> Fanfare: gotcha, do you approximately how much? where would i look?
[02:26] <Fanfare> well, kernel itself ~3-4 MB
[02:27] <Zhenya> Fanfare: oh thats it? so its not like 100-500 megs?
[02:27] <Fanfare> Zhenya: ok, with the rest its ~ 10 MB
[02:27] <Zhenya> Fanfare: gotcha. thank you1
[02:27] <Zhenya> !
[02:27] <Zhenya> also
[02:28] <Fanfare> Zhenya: depends on headers, etc...
[02:28] <Zhenya> is there a way to install the ubuntu app manager? from what i understand its kinda like an app store for ubuntu
[02:28] <Zhenya> i'm using the apt-get command to get vlc right nw
[02:30] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: there is kpackagekit for kde, if you prefer a gui. you can also get to it from systemsettings, add & remove software
[02:32] <daskreech> Zhenya: Choqok
[02:32] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: i also read that the ubuntu one is way superior to kpackagekit, is that true? how do i download apt files and have them run properly?
[02:32] <daskreech> Zhenya: For a twitter client
[02:32] <Zhenya> daskreech: thanks getting it now :D
[02:33] <daskreech> Zhenya: The Kernels exist side by side on your computer you can boot into any version you like. The old ones are kept around in case something breaks you can simply choose an old one and boot up to have everythign working again. Removal is at your discretion
[02:33] <daskreech> aahicnow: What's a rogers stick?
[02:33] <aahicnow> bradband internet stick
[02:34] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: the only advantage I can see is synaptic (the ubuntu one) lets you do things like install a particular version of a program and hold it (and not try to upgrade it when there are upgrades available)
[02:34] <aahicnow> broadband*
[02:34] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: gotcha. Ok i'm going to listen to y'all :D
[02:34] <daskreech> aahicnow: An internet stick? How does it work?
[02:34] <Fanfare> aahicnow: umts/gprs-stick?
[02:34] <daskreech> !gprs
[02:34] <aahicnow> yes
[02:34] <aahicnow> it was working under easy peasy and 9.04
[02:35] <aahicnow> now i upgarded to 9.10 and dead
[02:35] <aahicnow> it never finds the modem
[02:35] <Zhenya> i'm getting things working, this is AWESOME!
[02:36] <Daughain> aahicnow: Upgrade has issues......Fresh install is the way to go.
[02:36] <daskreech> aahicnow: It doesn't get a /dev device ?
[02:36] <aahicnow> by upgrade  i mean wipe drive and install
[02:36] <daskreech> Zhenya: it gets more frustrating then it gets really awesome
[02:36] <aahicnow> i wipe every install
[02:37] <Zhenya> daskreech: :D
[02:37] <aahicnow> and start over each
[02:37] <daskreech> aahicnow: Right but does it get a /dev device entry?
[02:37] <aahicnow> as a cd yes
[02:38] <aahicnow> when i unmount the cd the modem does not show
[02:39] <aahicnow> u familiar with this issue
[02:39] <aahicnow> zero cd a ms thing cause the unit to show as a cd first
[02:40] <daskreech> aahicnow: Woah it shows up as a CD?
[02:40] <daskreech> what's the device node it used?
[02:40] <daskreech> uses?
[02:41] <aahicnow> ya in easypeasy and in 9.04 all u have to do is unmount the cd then the modem will show up
[02:41] <aahicnow> but this is not the case with 9.10
[02:42] <daskreech> Oh ok
[02:42] <aahicnow> a lsusb will show this when it is first inserted
[02:43] <aahicnow> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 19d2:2000 ONDA Communication S.p.A.
[02:43] <daskreech> aahicnow: can you jump into #ubuntu-kernel and ask if they can help you with the device allocation in 9.10 ?
[02:43] <aahicnow> sure
[02:48] <thevoid> i am noob to irc how do i add other rooms to konversation in kde
[02:51] <daskreech> thevoid: type /join #roomname
[02:54] <daskreech> Zhenya: How are you doing?
[02:55] <Zhenya> daskreech: pretty good here, things are installing and working properly, pretty happy with everything so far :D
[02:55] <daskreech> Well if you like I can explain metacity and kwin
[02:55] <Zhenya> dowloading the last top gear to watch on my KUBUNTU WOOT
[02:55] <Zhenya> is there any really cool stuff you recmmend installing?
[02:55] <Zhenya> PLEASE
[02:56] <aahicnow> daskreech no help over there, guess i will just go bak to 8.04 ,to bad 9.10 was so fast on my net book
[02:57] <iconmefisto> aahicnow: seen this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1360327
[03:00] <Zhenya> daskreech: ready for the explanation or links whenever you are :D
[03:01] <aahicnow> ya went thur all that last night
[03:03] <daskreech> aahicnow: 9.04 ?
[03:03] <aahicnow> tryed the dialer and conf files plus the usb_modeswitch thing
[03:03] <daskreech> Zhenya: ok are you aware of how UNIX is built?
[03:04] <Zhenya> daskreech: not too well. Seems like i need to do some general reading. wiki here i come :D
[03:04] <aahicnow> i have last version on my laptop, and 9.10 on my netbook and desktop
[03:07] <daskreech> aahicnow: well keep 9.10 around and see if you can figure out why it doesn't work. Would be useful to know if it's something you can expect from newer kernels (not what I would expect but you never know) or if it can be done up and working again
[03:07] <daskreech> Zhenya: So in UNIX all things are files and programs are files with instructions
[03:07] <daskreech> Zhenya: Programs are built to do one thing very well and if it needs something that it doesn't do well it asks for it to be done by the program that does it well
[03:07] <Zhenya> daskreech: k, listening :D
[03:08] <daskreech> Zhenya: In terms of you as user UNIX is built as a stack
[03:08] <daskreech> the lowest level is the hardware which actually powers everything
[03:08] <daskreech> above that is the kernel which takes your instructions and passes it on to the hardware
[03:09] <Zhenya> daskreech: still here and reading with pleasure :D
[03:09] <aahicnow> well ill prob go bak to peasy(8.04) on my net book but ill keep playing with it on my desktop
[03:09] <daskreech> You can't speak the language the kernel or hardware talk so you need something that speaks your language
[03:09] <daskreech> aahicnow: Ok try in ##linux for wider scale help and #ubuntu-kernel for Ubuntu specific kernel help
[03:10] <daskreech> Zhenya: The thing that takes your instructions and passes it on to the kernel is the terminal
[03:10] <aahicnow> thx for help dask
[03:10] <daskreech> You give it instructions and it hands it to the kernel who speaks to the hardware
[03:10] <daskreech> aahicnow: Sure :)
[03:11] <Zhenya> daskreech: still here, reading!
[03:11] <daskreech> Zhenya: As I mentioned you only work with files and programs
[03:11] <titan_ark> Hey Zhenya, jow is it going?
[03:11]  * BluesKaj hires joe btfsplk to speak to his hardware
[03:11] <Zhenya> titan_ark: going great! got everything up and running :D daskreech is giving a lessson on linux/unix
[03:11] <Zhenya> :D
[03:11] <daskreech> So you typically call a program which will do some work or possibly interact with some files. If it needs somethign else it (or you) calls another program
[03:12] <titan_ark> Zhenya ah that is nice! Dual boot working fine?
[03:12] <titan_ark> daskreech, I need it too :)
[03:12] <Zhenya> titan_ark: working GREAT! I haven't tried the xp since though, enjoying this too much :D
[03:12] <daskreech> So for most intents and purposes all programs are running on top of the terminal
[03:12] <BluesKaj> you youngsters wouldn't know who joe btfsplk is I bet :)
[03:12] <Zhenya> daskreech: gotcha, like in android when they found the root  bug!
[03:13] <daskreech> BluesKaj: Don't confuse the youngsters :)
[03:13] <daskreech> Zhenya: Rightish :)
[03:13] <iconmefisto> I'm old and I don't know
[03:13] <titan_ark> Zhenya ;) yeah same here. But I had to boot into win 7 for my 20 hr AOE session!
[03:13] <daskreech> iconmefisto: lol
[03:13] <Zhenya> titan_ark: AOE?
[03:13] <titan_ark> Age of Empires :P
[03:13] <daskreech> Zhenya: So if you want a program to run with pretty buttons and so on it needs to run somewhere to show that
[03:14] <BluesKaj> daskreech, oh I forgot. youngsters would even know about newspapers :)
[03:14] <Zhenya> like kde v. gnome?
[03:14] <BluesKaj> wouldn't  doh
[03:14] <thevoid> daskreech: what rooms are there? Do I need a specific room name or just type room name? Do i type it in this box?
[03:14] <daskreech> Zhenya: Which of course is a program :) So there is a program that runs on top of the terminal called a windowing server which allows programs to place windows
[03:14] <titan_ark> thevoid, /join <roomname>
[03:15] <daskreech> thevoid: In this box there are probably 4000 rooms what do you want to talk about?
[03:15] <Zhenya> oh wow so the programs aren't running in kde? the are running in the terminal and then passing the window stuff to kde?
[03:15] <daskreech> Zhenya: The most popular windowing server in UNIX/LInux is Xorg
[03:15] <daskreech> or most commonly called X
[03:15] <thevoid> daskreech: Is there a list or something? I just want to look around.
[03:16] <Zhenya> daskreech: k
[03:16] <daskreech> thevoid: type /list
[03:16] <daskreech> you will get flooded but enjoy
[03:16] <BluesKaj> thevoid, just type !list in the server text box
[03:16] <titan_ark> daskreech, I am asking almost anyone I meet here, is there any problem with the latest kernel, ending "30-17"?
[03:17] <BluesKaj> oops my old mirc habits showing thru
[03:17] <daskreech> Zhenya: Now the window server just says two/three things where the windows are on the screen, how big they are and which one is infront of which
[03:17] <Zhenya> daskreech: gotcha
[03:17] <thevoid> Blueskaj: what is the server text box? Is that the box that i am typing in right now?
[03:17] <daskreech> titan_ark: There is always a problem would you like to be more specific?
[03:17] <daskreech> thevoid: yes
[03:17] <BluesKaj> thevoid, the freenode tab
[03:17] <thevoid> Daskreech: thank you
[03:18] <titan_ark> daskreech, well I am on a notebook and when I upgrade to that kernel, I end up receiving a "filesystem error" and cannot boot in.
[03:18] <daskreech> Zhenya: on top of that there is a program called a window manager. This actually draws the outside of the windows as well as fun things like buttons and scroll bars etc
[03:18] <daskreech> titan_ark: You might have filled the hard drive?
[03:18] <Zhenya> daskreech: holymoly i never realized that it was that seperated!
[03:18] <daskreech> Zhenya: That program is what you would call Compiz or metacity or kwin
[03:18] <xixor> Howdy folks.  I am trying to ensure that my linux desktop/server that is on 24/7 uses as little power as possible.  Anyone know how I can verify that the hard drives spin down?  Anyone have any power saving tricks?
[03:19] <titan_ark> I dont think so, just made fresh install. (via wubi)
[03:19] <daskreech> Zhenya: It is so you can swap out functionality without changing anything that the programs inside there do
[03:19] <titan_ark> In fact my friend too is facing the same problem.
[03:19] <daskreech> titan_ark: which filesystem error?
[03:19] <daskreech> xixor: ask in ##linux
[03:19] <Zhenya> wow, so i can change those programs and things will look different>
[03:19] <Zhenya> ?
[03:19] <daskreech> xixor: They aren't as nice as we are so you might get some rough edges but they have a lot of good info.
[03:20] <daskreech> Zhenya: Want to try it?
[03:20] <daskreech> xixor: If they start arguing about tips amongst themselves just take notes :) it's a lot of info sittin in one room :)
[03:20] <Zhenya> daskreech: sure, but i'm a noobster and what if i screw some stuff up!
[03:20] <titan_ark> daskreech, cant remember now :( especially since i made a re install. I can ask my friend l8r and get back. I would like to point out that once this happens, We can still boot into the older kernel.
[03:21] <daskreech> Zhenya: I'm here
[03:21] <xixor> daskreech: ha, alright, thanks
[03:21] <daskreech> titan_ark: tell Zhenya he was asking about the old kernels :)
[03:21] <daskreech> assuming Zhenya is a he
[03:22] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: one cool thing you might want to install is virtualbox. then you can have a virtual kubuntu to play around with and completely destroy in perfect safety
[03:22] <Zhenya> daskreech: i an a he
[03:22] <xixor> daskreech: my system is an overclocked i7 920 with 2 10k rpm hard drives and an ATI 4870x2 and a 750W PSU and about 5 fans.  When it is going full tilt I am sure it just sucks back the juice
[03:22] <titan_ark> daskreech, quite a n00b myself, tryin to learn
[03:22] <daskreech> Sounds like it does
[03:22] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: ok guys today i will i learn more basics tomorrow if y'all are here we will play around, is that cool?
[03:23] <daskreech> Zhenya: try sudo apt-get install metacity
[03:23] <Zhenya> ok can i turn them on and off? and will this effect te stability/speed of the os?
[03:24] <daskreech> Yes you can and yes it can :)
[03:24] <Zhenya> its 275 megs, it is easily removable?
[03:24] <daskreech> ie it can make it faster
[03:24] <daskreech> seriously?
[03:24] <daskreech> ouch
[03:24] <Zhenya> daskreech: oh wow ok
[03:24] <pinkisntwell> how can i make keyboard layout independent shortcuts?
[03:24] <titan_ark> daskreech, btw since i was facing trouble with the kde install I tried Ubuntu, and then someone suggest install kubuntu-desktop, as I like this interface moew,a nd I eneded up with the same error . Now i have updated everything except the kernel
[03:24] <daskreech> Zhenya: umm ok install fluxbox :)
[03:25] <pinkisntwell> if i change the layout of my keyboard then keyboard shortcuts stop working
[03:25] <daskreech> titan_ark: have you run a smartmontools on the drive?
[03:25] <daskreech>  sounds like it's a little wonky
[03:25] <Zhenya> daskreech: crap it already installed some stuff now its promptmy me to continue, if i say N then will it remove the installed things?
[03:25] <daskreech> pinkisntwell: the shortcuts are based on the keyboard layout
[03:25] <titan_ark> daskreech, nah.
[03:26] <daskreech> they translate to the xmod keys and changing the layout changes the xmod keys
[03:26] <titan_ark> *googles*
[03:26] <daskreech> Zhenya: yes
[03:26] <Zhenya> daskreech: went ahead and installed it, i will check it out and remove it :D
[03:26] <Zhenya> daskreech: as a learning experience
[03:26] <pinkisntwell> daskreech: so there's no way around this? if i assign some action to alt+g, i want it to happen irrespective of the layout
[03:26] <daskreech> Zhenya: Oh so it's done installing? :)
[03:27] <Zhenya> daskreech: lol, ;m stitting at starbucks, this is going to take a while
[03:27] <daskreech> pinkisntwell: It's alt+G but changing your keyboard layout changes what alt is and what G is :)
[03:27] <titan_ark> "Some newer Seagate/Maxtor disks risk a sudden death due to buggy firmware: 7200.11, ES.2, Diamondmax 22. See the Details, reported by Seagate's customer support."
[03:27] <titan_ark> sounds scary
[03:27] <daskreech> Zhenya: ooooooh :)
[03:27] <daskreech> Grande (latte)
[03:27] <pinkisntwell> daskreech: so it's impossible?
[03:27] <daskreech> pinkisntwell: not impossible but not trivial either.
[03:28] <daskreech> You want hooks that will reassign your shortcuts to whatever the xmod keys were before to what htey are now everytime you change your layout
[03:28] <pinkisntwell> daskreech: it works fine in windows
[03:29] <daskreech> so if you had alt+G before and change your layout it changes to alt+é which is G on your keyboard
[03:29] <daskreech> pinkisntwell: Windows is not Linux
[03:29] <pinkisntwell> daskreech: this means that almost all the keys on my keyboard are dead for shortcuts
[03:29] <daskreech> Linux is not windows. don't expect them to do things the same way. In fact that's kinda the point :)
[03:30] <pinkisntwell> daskreech: ok is there a way around this?
[03:30] <daskreech> pinkisntwell: how many keyboard layouts do you use ?
[03:30] <pinkisntwell> daskreech: 2
[03:30] <daskreech> pinkisntwell: ok umm I'd hit #kde there are enough people ther who are multilingual who would probably have a fix for this
[03:31] <Zhenya> daskreech: this is install is going to take FOREVER here, what happens if i cancel mid install?
[03:31] <daskreech> Zhenya: how far?
[03:31] <daskreech> Zhenya: nothing
[03:31] <pinkisntwell> daskreech: yeah i did that but i got nothing
[03:31] <Zhenya> can i remove all the downloaded garbage?
[03:31] <Zhenya> ok i will do this @ home, WAY faster connection!
[03:31] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: it downloads first, then starts installing, so you could just stop since you're at the downloading stage
[03:32] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: gotcha, thanks. Where are the temp downloaded files stored?
[03:32] <daskreech> Zhenya: sudo apt-get clean
[03:33] <Zhenya> daskreech: nonthing happened...
[03:33] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: /var/cache/apt/archives if I'm not mistaken
[03:34] <daskreech> Zhenya: Excellent :)
[03:34] <Zhenya> oh its not a program to download? it just cleans it?
[03:34] <daskreech> Zhenya: Yeah gets rid of all the stuff you downloaded
[03:34] <daskreech> Zhenya: sudo apt-get install twm
[03:34] <Zhenya> oh wow ok cool :D
[03:34] <Zhenya> what is that?
[03:34] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: that removes all the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:34] <daskreech> note: twm is the simplest worst window mnager ever
[03:35] <daskreech> but it's tiny :)
[03:35] <daskreech> It used to ship with X it just allows you to put down a window and close it
[03:35] <xjjk> hi... what's the opinion of kde 4.4rc1 on karmic?
[03:35] <daskreech> it's ugly as sin
[03:35] <Zhenya> i got plenty of room, i'm just being careful since its a dual boot machine with only 40gigs
[03:35] <daskreech> and twice as mean mannered
[03:36] <titan_ark> damn, got disconnected
[03:37] <daskreech> I saw :)
[03:37] <daskreech> Zhenya: When that gets pulled in tell me
[03:38] <Zhenya> daskreech: can i play with it later? I'mabout to leave starbucks and go home
[03:39] <daskreech> kk
[03:39] <daskreech> Zhenya: install a window manager like fluxbox then in a terminal type fluxbox --replace
[03:39] <daskreech> when you want kwin back type kwin --replace
[03:40] <Zhenya> oh coolok
[03:40] <Zhenya> i will be back!
[03:40] <daskreech> ok
[03:41] <Zhenya> daskreech: thanks for this AWESOME help :D
[03:48] <titan_ark> comcast x)
[03:50] <Daughain> titan_ark:  I hear ya.
[03:53] <iconmefisto> is comcast an isp?
[03:53] <maco> yes
[04:05] <thevoid> !list
[04:19] <titan_ark_> daskreech: you there?
[04:24] <daskreech> Maybe
[04:24] <daskreech> thevoid: try /list
[04:36] <daskreech> titan_ark_: are you?
[04:36] <titan_ark> daskreech: sorry. bad internet.
[04:36] <titan_ark> I think I need to change my ISP.
[05:58] <titan_ark_> hey, any suggetsions on how to run some perl scripts on kubuntu?
[06:09] <daskreech> titan_ark_: with perl?
[06:09] <titan_ark_> daskreech: yup, a beginner. so wanna get some small sample scripts running to learn.
[06:09] <titan_ark_> sorry for thr ot
[06:10] <daskreech> titan_ark_: I'm not sure what you are asking then
[06:11] <titan_ark_> ah. well i am learning perl so wanted how to just run some scripts. can i do it off the terminal?
[06:14] <daskreech> titan_ark_: yes
[06:14] <daskreech> if you have a magic number at the start of the perl script then you can run it as a normal script
[06:15] <daskreech>  if you have it set to executable you can run it as a program
[06:15] <ste_> ciao
[06:15] <ste_> a tutti
[06:15] <daskreech> if you have neither you can hand it to perl and perl will run it for you
[06:15] <daskreech> !it
[06:15] <ste_> kui cè kualcuno ke parla italiano?
[06:15] <ste_> grazie
[06:15] <titan_ark_> okay
[06:16] <daskreech> grazie :)
[06:16] <titan_ark_> thx :)
[06:16] <titan_ark_> ooo
[06:16] <daskreech> aaa
[06:16] <titan_ark_> ubottu speaks itlian :P
[06:16] <daskreech> !cn
[06:17] <titan_ark_> :D
[06:17] <titan_ark_> so basically there is no need for any specific compilers or anything of that sort
[06:18] <daskreech> titan_ark_: Perl is a scripted language so no compilers
[06:18] <titan_ark_> okay
[06:18] <titan_ark_> any suggestions on hw to go abt learning it?
[06:19] <titan_ark_> i have basic knowledge in circuit design, hdl, etc
[06:19] <titan_ark_> not too good at coding etc
[06:19] <daskreech> perl would not be a good place to start
[06:20] <titan_ark_> i do know C C++ and played with DS
[06:20] <titan_ark_> need scripting knowledge cos of "industry" demands
[06:20] <titan_ark_> and yes, it looks interesting too
[06:21] <daskreech> Ok :)
[06:21] <daskreech> #perl
[06:22] <titan_ark_> whats your choice out of perl/ python/ tcl?
[06:22] <titan_ark_> or do they all have specific advantages and applications?
[06:24] <yuriy> titan_ark_: every language has its advantages and applications, but I think most Ubuntu developers go for Python
[06:24] <daskreech> They each do
[06:24] <yuriy> also don't forget Ruby and others
[06:24] <daskreech> Python and Ruby are very straighforward once you understand OO programming
[06:26] <titan_ark_> yuriy: yeah i saw quite a few packages ( if i may call em so) udring installation, that is why I asked if I need to install anything aspecific for perl
[06:26] <titan_ark_> hmmm
[06:26] <yuriy> titan_ark_: well.. perl. and then probably some modules as you get into it
[06:26] <titan_ark_> well I am looking at a general perspective and also for circuit design automation and stuff
[06:26] <daskreech> titan_ark_: perl is considered a base tool for linux. if you have linux installed you can 98% sure count on having perl
[06:27] <titan_ark_> okay, makes sense. :)
[06:27] <titan_ark_> i was having this impression that i need some kind of editor and complier and/ or simulator
[06:28] <daskreech> You need an editor
[06:28] <titan_ark_> okay
[06:28] <titan_ark_> any basic text editor will do?
[06:28] <daskreech> yes
[06:29] <titan_ark_> nice
[06:29] <yuriy> kate is the one that comes with kubuntu, try it out
[06:29] <titan_ark_> yes, just saw that. will do
[06:34] <titan_ark_> i hav a feeling my notebook is heating up more than what it is using Win 7, any way i can check if everything is normal?
[06:35] <daskreech> Do you have compositing on?
[06:36] <titan_ark_> ah, how do i check?
[06:36] <titan_ark_> sorry, total n00b
[06:37] <daskreech> Press Ctrl+F9
[06:37] <daskreech> do all the windows fly up and get smaller?
[06:38] <titan_ark_> nope
[06:38] <titan_ark_> nothing happens
[06:38] <daskreech> Probably do not have it on then :)
[06:39] <titan_ark_> okay
[06:40] <titan_ark_> should  i?
[06:41] <daskreech> No
[06:41] <daskreech> more work for the computer
[06:41] <titan_ark_> okay
[06:42] <titan_ark_> i read abt some fan issues that some ppl were facing, but mine seems to be running fine ( i think so)
[06:43] <daskreech> ok
[06:46] <titan_ark_> anything i can do to check if all is fine? any application?
[06:47] <titan_ark_> also any gadgets or applications to check CPU and RAM usage?
[06:51] <daskreech> titan_ark_: check your widget options for the desktop
[06:52] <titan_ark_> okay
[06:57] <titan_ark_> damn all the stuff on the bar shifted to the left :P
[06:57] <titan_ark_> :D
[06:58] <titan_ark_> cant get it back
[07:03] <jwill> titan_ark_: To the left?  Screenshot?
[07:04] <titan_ark_> ah how do i paste it here?
[07:04] <titan_ark_> damn even my appln tabs are not shown in the bar below :(
[07:06] <titan_ark_> jwill?
[07:07] <jwill> titan_ark_: imagebin.ca (there's a widgit for it, if you want -- pastebin)
[07:07] <jwill> titan_ark_: Use my name; I'm not checking this window.
[07:07] <titan_ark_> jwill: okay, shall try it
[07:09] <titan_ark_> jwill: http://imagebin.ca/view/b8b9y7d.html
[07:10] <phant0m> hi im using tiger to scan my system as root but when the scan finishes it tells me permission denied when i want to look at the log files
[07:11] <jwill> titan_ark_: Okay, just click the little half-circle on the right of toolbar.  Drag the widgets you want to move right.
[07:11] <jwill> titan_ark_: You can right click on desktop and lock it to stop this happening.
[07:11] <jwill> titan_ark_: Oh wait, nevermind.  You're missing the window list widget.
[07:12] <pickles> k
[07:12] <titan_ark_> jwill, i tried that, but it just gets back. even if i go to advanced settings and right allign it
[07:12] <jwill> titan_ark_: You'll have to add it again.  Click on the thing --> ( and select 'add widget'.
[07:12] <jwill> titan_ark_: It's called window list, or something.
[07:12] <jwill> titan_ark_: "Task manager"
[07:14] <titan_ark_> jwill, ah yes got it :)
[07:14] <titan_ark_> thx a bunch!
[07:14] <phant0m> can anyone help? pls
[07:15] <titan_ark_> phant0m, just ask, someone will surely help :)
[07:15] <daskreech> phant0m: look at the log files as root?
[07:16] <phant0m> it refuses
[07:16] <phant0m> permission denied
[07:16] <phant0m> im in root
[07:16] <daskreech> what are the permissions on it?
[07:17] <phant0m> default i didnt set them up
[07:17] <phant0m> theres only one folder with permissions and thats on another hdd
[07:18] <ghale> how are you trying to look at the log files?
[07:19] <jwill> phant0m: type "kdesudo dolphin" in the alt+F2 window.
[07:19] <phant0m> in terminal
[07:20] <phant0m> ?
[07:20] <ghale> what are you using to view them i mean?
[07:20] <phant0m> bollocks im on the wrong channel
[07:20] <jwill> phant0m: ubuntu, not kubuntu?
[07:20] <phant0m> yep
[07:21] <phant0m> sorry my bad thanks for trying to help anyways
[07:21] <ghale> are you not typing a text viewer before the file location?
[07:21] <jwill> lol.  Well, just gksudo nautilus, I think.
[07:21] <phant0m> ok
[07:21] <phant0m> no im n ot using a text viewer
[07:21] <ghale> you need to i think
[07:22] <phant0m> when i locate the file there isnt a log in tiger to open
[07:23] <jwill> phant0m: What do you mean by tiger, anyways?
[07:24] <phant0m> its a pen test tool
[07:24] <phant0m> called tiger and its very good when you can access the bloody files lol
[07:24] <APERSON> Is there a grid plugin equivalent for kde?
[07:25] <ner0x> How can I make flash play through my headphones?!
[07:27] <phant0m> finally its open right best switch a few things off
[07:27] <daskreech> APERSON: grid?
[07:27] <phant0m> ty for the help
[07:29] <APERSON> daskreech, like the one for compiz.  Sorry, I should have been clearer
[07:32] <daskreech> RIght. what does the one for Compiz do?
[07:33] <APERSON> It allows you to place windows in a grid, eg: one window on the right half of the screen and another on the left
[07:33] <daskreech> Umm
[07:34] <APERSON> I have dual displays that are set to one big desktop, so if I maximize a window, it fullscreens on both
[07:34] <daskreech> You mean tile them so they each take up 1/2 the screen?
[07:35] <APERSON> yessir
[07:35] <daskreech> You can do that in KDE 4.4
[07:36] <daskreech> Don't know about 4.3
[07:36] <APERSON> daskreech, how would one go about enabling that?  I can see if I have the ability
[07:37] <APERSON> if not, is there a good repository that will allow me to update?
[07:39] <daskreech> you mean getting KDE 4.4?
[07:40] <APERSON> if the ability isn't available in 4.3, then yes
[07:41] <daskreech> it should be on the front page of www.kubuntu.org
[07:43] <APERSON> ah - thanks
[07:55] <APERSON> upon upgrading 4.4, plasma-workspace crashes and I don't get a desktop
[07:58] <jwill> Weirdest thing ever.  After adding Smooth Tasks, I noticed my CPU usage was pretty high while doing animations related to it.
[07:58] <jwill> So I run top.
[07:58] <jwill> Whenever I make the smoothtasks widget do animations (like window previews moving) the dropbox process jumps to 90% of cpu.
[07:58] <jwill> Can anyone explain this?
[07:58] <FloodBotK1> jwill: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:07] <jwill> Nevermind, plasma-desktop shows slightly increased cpu usage.  Must be something weird with dropbox that causes it to use massive amounts of CPU when plasma is doing stuff.
[08:13] <Daughain> Anyone here know of an install option hat doesnt require removable media?
[08:14] <Peace-> Daughain: ?? explain better
[08:15] <Daughain> ANtique lappy, lost drivers, so one cd and floppy are useless, no boot from usb option, no boot from lan option. Burnt copy of XP, and neds some ubuntu love.
[08:16] <Peace-> mmm
[08:16] <Peace-> Daughain: netintstall maybe
[08:17] <Peace-> we'll see
[08:17] <APERSON> Daughain, can take out the hdd?
[08:17] <Peace-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet
[08:17] <Peace-> you old pc should be on the lan :)
[08:18] <Daughain> I can pull the drive, but, its a 2.5 ide, wtf I do with it next?? =) Nothing I can plug it into.
[08:19] <Peace-> Daughain: try to read that article...
[08:19] <Daughain> Peace, it will not recognize anything on the lan, and, I just got it. Never been on the lan before.
[08:19] <Daughain> I will.
[08:21] <APERSON> Daughain, the only way I can think of is if you pull out the drive and dd a pre-installed image
[08:22] <jwill> Daughain: You could flash a more modern BIOS, so you could boot from USB.
[08:22] <jwill> Kill two birds with one stone
[08:22] <Daughain> APERSON; dd?
[08:22] <Peace-> well xD i will never spend my bucks for an old pc
[08:22] <Daughain> jwill:  This is a 6 year old toshiba lappy.
[08:23] <jwill> Daughain: copy disc image from one onto another
[08:23] <jwill> Daughain: Well, at least the hardware is supported :S
[08:23] <Daughain> jwill:  How? I have nothing the drive can be plugged into.
[08:23] <jwill> Daughain: Don't you ahve another computer?
[08:23] <jwill> have*
[08:24] <Daughain> THats what I am working on.=) CD, wireless and floppy are all dead right now
[08:24] <jwill> Daughain: Is it a desktop?
[08:24] <Daughain> I have about three, 2 running sata, and one desktop w/ide.
[08:24] <Daughain> This is a laptop. 2.5 formfactor.
[08:24] <jwill> Daughain: Can't you just plug it in, removing another slot, if you don't have any free ones?
[08:24] <jwill> Daughain: Ooooh.
[08:25] <Daughain> Yeah, differnet plug design...
[08:25] <Daughain> Yeah, differnet plug design...
[08:25] <jwill> Daughain: IDE, right?  Cause SATA is the same.
[08:25] <Daughain> Yeah, differnet plug design...
[08:25] <Daughain> Errr...
[08:25] <Daughain> IDE.
[08:25] <Daughain> Sadly.
[08:25] <jwill> Daughain: :(
[08:25] <FloodBotK1> Daughain: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:25] <jwill> Daughain: You might have to get a BIOS update, then.  So you could boot from USB.
[08:26] <jwill> Daughain: Or do a minimal linux install from... <shudders> ... floppy to fix your driver issues.
[08:26] <Daughain> How to flash bios w/no removable media? I cant even install Alcohol again.
[08:26] <Daughain> NO flopy.
[08:27] <darkdelusions> Daughain:  what are you trying to do?
[08:27] <darkdelusions> other then break something else
[08:27] <jwill> Install on a deaf/mute laptop :D
[08:27] <jwill> +blind
[08:27]  * Daughain nods with jwill 
[08:27] <Peace-> LOL
[08:27] <Daughain> Hey, I never do anything *normal*.=)
[08:28] <darkdelusions> Daughain:  usb install? (I am sure this has been gone over somewhere up there ;)
[08:28] <darkdelusions> to lazy to scroll up :)
[08:28] <Daughain> USB not an option....OOOOLd bios.
[08:28] <jwill> Daughain: Sounds like you're screwed.  No way to install if there're NO working input methods.  Think you'll need to buy a mini-ide to full-ide adaptor.
[08:28] <Peace-> xD
[08:28] <jwill> Daughain: they're probably like $2.
[08:28] <Peace-> but if the pc cna be on lan
[08:28] <Peace-> you could try that tutorial
[08:29] <Peace-> i never used ...
[08:29] <jwill> Peace-: He said ethernet doesn't work :(
[08:29] <Daughain> Gonna look at it.
[08:29] <Peace-> and here there is a brand new toshiba :D
[08:29] <darkdelusions> how in the heck does an old computer not have a DVD rom, or Floopy
[08:29] <darkdelusions> err wow spelling fail
[08:29] <Daughain> Well, if ya wanna send it along....... =)
[08:29] <Peace-> jwill: well he is screwed
[08:29] <Peace-> xD
[08:29] <Daughain> darkdelusions: It has the driver, just not the drivers.
[08:29] <Daughain> Err....drive, no driver.
[08:30] <darkdelusions> WTF is it a 486?
[08:30] <titan_ark_> :D
[08:30] <Peace-> hahaha
[08:30] <Daughain> Pent M
[08:30] <APERSON> you don't need drivers, as long as the drive works, Daughain
[08:30] <Daughain> APERSON: XP.....No drivers, no workee.
[08:30] <jwill> Just a BIOS that supports booting from CD-ROM.
[08:31] <darkdelusions> what jwill said
[08:31] <jwill> Daughain: Try telepathy.
[08:31] <Daughain> WTF, lets try it.
[08:31] <titan_ark_> lol
[08:31] <Daughain> jwill:  I have been. =)
[08:31] <darkdelusions> ifs a pentium M the bios should support booting off a cd
[08:32] <darkdelusions> and if it doesnt you have a pretty paper weight :)
[08:32] <Daughain> Like I said gonna try.
[08:32] <darkdelusions> You guys have been discussing this how long? :)
[08:33] <darkdelusions> and you havent even "tryed" it :)
[08:33] <jwill> darkdelusions: 16 minutes.
[08:33] <Izinucs> Daughain: might have to hit F12 to get boot options even if the cdrom is 1st on the list in the bios
[08:33]  * darkdelusions facepalms
[08:34] <Daughain> Nah, esc gets bot options..
[08:34] <darkdelusions> You at first you dont suceed fail fail agian
[08:34] <darkdelusions> if even
[08:34] <Daughain> Ayup. MY theory.
[08:35] <titan_ark_> good luck :)
[08:36] <darkdelusions> Daughain: when you break it remember its all titan_ark_ fault
[08:36] <Peace-> !offtopic | Peace-
[08:39] <titan_ark_> :(
[08:41] <usse> Hi
[08:42] <jwill> usse: Hi
[08:42] <usse> I need a KDE-program/command to cut out a small portion of one audio file and save it with different name. What is the easiest/fastest program to use?
[08:42] <darkdelusions> usse: hello
[08:43] <jwill> usse: Audacious? Not KDE, but it works.
[08:43] <Izinucs> you mean audacity
[08:43] <jwill> usse: Oops, yeah.  Audacity.
[08:44] <usse> thanks I will check it out :)
[08:44] <jwill> Same word, annoying.
[08:44] <darkdelusions> There is also kwave but i have never used it
[08:44] <jwill> And they're both audio-related applications for linux.
[08:48] <Bugsbane> Anyone know a bug number to watch, so we can find out when this xorg bug on Lucid + KDE SC 4.4 RC is fixed?
[08:51] <Izinucs> kwave doesn't seem to support mp3 even after installing lame
[08:52] <titan_ark_> darkdelusions, btw the sta driver worked for the wireless
[08:52] <darkdelusions> I saw your PM
[08:52] <titan_ark_> there was a compatibility issue with the latest kernel update, so had to first get the driver and avoid the kernel update
[08:53] <titan_ark_> oki
[08:53] <darkdelusions> titan_ark_:  are you back on KDE now
[08:53] <darkdelusions> or still on gnome?
[08:53] <titan_ark_> yup
[08:53] <titan_ark_> i wanted the kde feel, so tried install kubuntu-desktop and that updated the kernel :D
[08:53] <Daughain> Grrr.....Definite bios fail....Not good.
[08:53] <titan_ark_> so i did a fresh install :D
[08:54] <titan_ark_> Daughain :-o
[08:54] <Daughain> Pretty much, titan_ark_
[08:54] <darkdelusions> Daughain: its time to throw that laptop out the window
[08:54] <jwill> Daughain: Or spring the $4 for a mini IDE adaptor.
[08:55] <Daughain> Trying to decide...
[08:55] <jwill> Daughain: Wait, can't you still reflash the BIOS, since it's the OS drivers that don't work (not the hardware)?
[08:55] <Daughain> If I have a bios issue, I dont know that ubuntu wil solve it.
[08:56] <jwill> Daughain: http://www.openfirmware.info/Welcome_to_OpenBIOS ?
[08:56] <jwill> Daughain: I've never tried it, but it looks interesting.  Especially if your laptop is bricked without new BIOS. Nothing to lose.
[08:56] <Daughain> Thanks, jwill Need to look into that next....
[08:57] <Daughain> Well, I can use it as a box to run a couple of XP apps, but thats about it.....SO, I'll prolly try it all. =)
[08:57] <darkdelusions> I never knew there was such a thing as openbios
[08:58] <Daughain> I just dont know how proprietary toshiba was with thier bios' back then./
[08:59] <Bugsbane> Is it only the kernel packages causing the problem with upgrading Lucid mentioned at kubuntu.org?
[08:59] <jwill> darkdelusions: I've been eyeing it for a while, but my ASUS mobo has pretty good bios, and I can't justify trying it :S
[08:59] <darkdelusions> Ya I am pretty happy with my asus laptop bios
[08:59] <darkdelusions> :)
[08:59] <darkdelusions> Now if I had a test machine setup
[09:00] <jwill> darkdelusions: Is it just me, or are ASUS mobos covered in awesomesauce?
[09:00] <Daughain> Asus has always had good bios'.
[09:00] <darkdelusions> jwill: that just depends
[09:00] <darkdelusions> jwill: I had an asus board that died on me because of a faulty chipset fan
[09:01] <darkdelusions> However I have been mucho happy with my asus laptop
[09:02] <darkdelusions> the evil I just download an kernal update and you must reboot icon is sitting down in my system tray and mocking me
[09:02] <jwill> darkdelusions: Laptops are so often have flakey hardware... the OEMs just toss in whatever parts they can get cheapest at the time, and it's all proprietary crap.
[09:03] <darkdelusions> jwill: the chipset issue was on a pc mother board
[09:03] <jwill> darkdelusions: Shh!
[09:03] <Bonstar> is RC1 out for kubuntu?
[09:03] <jwill> Bonstar: Yes.
[09:03] <jwill> Bonstar: For Karmic.  Still pending for Lucid, due to some massive X bug.
[09:04] <Bonstar> i see
[09:04] <Bonstar> thanks
[09:04] <darkdelusions> jwill:  every PC mother board I have is Asus thou
[09:05] <jwill> darkdelusions: Come to think of it, every desktop I've ever owned has had an ASUS motherboard.
[09:06] <darkdelusions> asus MB seem to always have the most bang for the buck and there general high Quality the only other MB i will use is a gigabit
[09:06] <darkdelusions> if they even still exist
[09:06] <darkdelusions> or gigabyte :)
[09:06] <darkdelusions> is what I ment
[09:07] <Bonstar> been using gigabit MB here
[09:07] <APERSON> not that this channel seems to be as active as #ubuntu, but don't we have #kubuntu-offtopic for non support conversation? :)
[09:09] <jwill> APERSON: Sorry, yeah.
[09:11] <philyaw> Does anyone know about automatix or ultramatix?
[09:11] <philyaw> And, does it work on Kubuntu?
[09:11] <APERSON> !automatix
[09:11] <philyaw> I finally got my BS ndiswrapper junk to make my wireless work!
[09:11] <philyaw> First day of linux, thrown through the ringers
[09:12]  * jwill throws confetti
[09:12] <philyaw> lol
[09:12] <philyaw> Can I set power options to dim my screen and other stuff so my laptop battery doesn't die so fast?
[09:12] <jwill> philyaw: Yep.  Powerdevil.
[09:12] <jwill> philyaw: System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Power Management (or something similar)
[09:15] <philyaw> cool its already doing it
[09:15] <philyaw> it just didn't dim the screen for the profile
[09:16] <philyaw> what are some of your favorite apps?
[09:16] <philyaw> this is the coolest irc program ever
[09:17] <philyaw> if you can send and recieve files that is
[09:17] <jwill> philyaw: Amarok is very cool.
[09:18] <philyaw> that came with kubuntu i think
[09:18] <philyaw> what is it?
[09:18] <jwill> philyaw: K3B is also well designed
[09:18] <darkdelusions> Chrome for linux is like my new favorate app :)
[09:18] <philyaw> ah
[09:18] <philyaw> audio player
[09:18] <APERSON> my heart sunk a little when I opened up amarok, I miss 1.4.10
[09:18] <jwill> philyaw: Library-oriented music player
[09:18] <philyaw> i've been using winamp in windows
[09:18] <jwill> APERSON: I used to miss 1.x.  But it's pretty much at feature parity now.
[09:19] <darkdelusions> APERSON: I feel the same way
[09:19] <jwill> APERSON: Except podcast support on devices.  I really miss that.
[09:19] <philyaw> what repositories do you guys have that aren't standard?
[09:19] <darkdelusions> APERSON: the 1.x version of amarok interface was alot better in my opinon
[09:19] <APERSON> philyaw, medibuntu, virtualbox
[09:19] <APERSON> darkdelusions, agreed
[09:20] <jwill> Yeah... 2.x is slicker, but 1.x is more usable.
[09:20] <philyaw> can i use anything you can use in ubuntu from kubuntu?
[09:20] <darkdelusions> philyaw: a must have package is kubuntu-restrictedextras
[09:20] <jwill> philyaw: Yes, but it's better to use native KDE apps, since a big plus in KDE is integration.
[09:21] <jwill> philyaw: Yeah, install kubuntu-restricted-extras (note the last hyphen).
[09:21] <philyaw> ok, and that will extend the list of software I can download then right?
[09:22] <APERSON> !restricted-extras
[09:22] <APERSON> !kubuntu-restricted-extras | philyaw
[09:22] <philyaw> ok its installed now
[09:23] <APERSON> we don't have a factoid for that?
[09:23] <darkdelusions> !restrictedformats
[09:23] <tsimpson> !scope
[09:24] <philyaw> I could really use a factoid fo rthat
[09:24] <philyaw> so..
[09:24] <philyaw> i was before unable to play mp3s?
[09:25] <philyaw> wow
[09:25] <tsimpson> if you did !mp3, you'd get the same message as !restrictedformats
[09:25] <philyaw> what else should i know about
[09:25] <darkdelusions> Tte restricted extras will take care of that
[09:25] <philyaw> thanks!
[09:25] <darkdelusions> or should
[09:25] <darkdelusions> if i remember correctly
[09:25] <titan_ark_> my notebook seems to be getting warmer than with win 7 :(
[09:25] <philyaw> how do i know if its installed
[09:27] <jwill> titan_ark_: Since intel did a bunch of work on it, linux battery life is approximately the same as windows on most hardware.
[09:27] <Daugha|n> titan_ark_:   Thats strange, I watched my gateway drop 40 F going from xp to ubuntu.
[09:27] <APERSON> tsimpson, don't need another factiod, just an alias
[09:28] <jwill> titan_ark_: Add the fact that linux is more resource efficient than windows, and you could get better battery life.
[09:28] <titan_ark_> jwill, I havent tested the battery life as I am at home and plugged in, shall try tomorrow :)
[09:28] <APERSON> and yes, I should have searched before-hand
[09:28] <titan_ark_> Daughain, I wonder why mine seems to be quite warm :(
[09:28] <jwill> titan_ark_: Still sucks on some laptops though.  *cough*gateway*cough*
[09:28] <philyaw> is there a shortcut to open the "start menu"
[09:29] <titan_ark_> mine is an HP
[09:29] <philyaw> launcher, i guess
[09:29] <APERSON> jwill, alt+f1
[09:29] <tsimpson> !kubuntu-restricted-extras is <alias> codecs
[09:29] <jwill> philyaw: it's alt+F1 by default, but you ca change it
[09:29] <APERSON> err, philyaw
[09:29] <tsimpson> 37th alias for that
[09:29] <philyaw> lol
[09:29] <philyaw> how do i change it
[09:30] <jwill> !change
[09:30] <philyaw> because i have to use Fn keys to use function keys
[09:30] <jwill> aww :(
[09:30] <jwill> philyaw: System Settings -> Keyboard -> Global Shortcuts
[09:30] <tsimpson> right click the K icon
[09:30] <tsimpson> choose settings -> keyboard shortcuts
[09:30] <jwill> tsimpson: That works too :P
[09:30] <titan_ark_> the temp is going up, i installed the widget and its gone from 50 to 58 over the last 3 hours
[09:31] <APERSON> anyone have advice for getting dropbox going?
[09:31] <titan_ark_> and all I am doing is using my browser and irc!
[09:31] <jwill> APERSON: Sans-gnome?
[09:31] <Daugha|n> titan_ark_:  My issue with kde right now is the eating of ram.
[09:31] <APERSON> jwill, yep
[09:31] <jwill> APERSON: I followed a tutorial to install it without gnome stuff, and it failed miserably.  So I just installed the gnome everything.
[09:32] <jwill> APERSON: Old, but it still works, I think: http://antrix.net/journal/techtalk/dropbox_kde.html
[09:32] <titan_ark_> Daughain, I have 4 gigs of Ram and hardly use it. The only time I used much was when I used Virtual box to try linux :P
[09:33] <jwill> APERSON: It doesn't integrate with dolphin, sadly, but it does do its stuff silently.
[09:33] <titan_ark_> Daughain, Even VNCing to use cadence hardly ate my RAM
[09:34] <jwill> titan_ark_: It gets used as cache when copying files and whatnot.  Even if apps don't use more than 500MB of RAM, it does get used.
[09:34] <titan_ark_> jwill, hmm
[09:35] <tsimpson> the command "free -m" will show RAM usage
[09:35] <philyaw> cant i make my windows button pop the launcher up???????/
[09:35] <jwill> Be careful of that, since it doesn't count shared libraries right, I think.
[09:35] <tsimpson> the middle line "-/+ buffers/cache:" shows the "real" free/used
[09:35] <jwill> philyaw: I think it's pretty complicated, because linux uses it as another key like alt or ctrl.
[09:36] <tsimpson> philyaw: in short, no
[09:36] <jwill> philyaw: We call it the super key.
[09:36] <titan_ark_> cant seem to understand what it spat out!
[09:36] <philyaw> whats yall's shortcut?
[09:36] <tsimpson> it's just like a modifier key (like shift, alt, ctrl)
[09:36] <titan_ark_> -/+ buffers/cache:        759       3109
[09:36] <tsimpson> doesn't do anything on its own
[09:36] <jwill> philyaw: Try super + z, it's similar to just super.
[09:36] <jwill> philyaw: I use it for pausing amarok.
[09:36] <philyaw> lol
[09:36] <philyaw> done and done
[09:37] <Daugha|n> That openbios apears to need to be compiled for each system........Not sure I'm up to that..
[09:37] <tsimpson> titan_ark_: so you have 3109 MB available memory :)
[09:37] <jwill> philyaw: While you're at it, setting krunner (alt+F2) to alt+space or super+space is nice.
[09:37] <titan_ark_> tsimpson: ah  :) talk about overkill :P
[09:38] <philyaw> !krunner
[09:38] <jwill> Whoa, music double take.  "Would do anything for a klondike"
[09:38] <darkdelusions> philyaw: krunner is like the windows Start>Run
[09:38] <tsimpson> ^ but better in every way possible
[09:38] <jwill> philyaw: Only 10 billion times better, faster, stonger, etc.
[09:38] <philyaw> oh... unless it knows calc and notepad i dont need it
[09:38] <jwill> philyaw: It knows all.
[09:38] <philyaw> i've read about the alt. versions on thsi though
[09:39] <jwill> philyaw: Look at some of the plugins to see what it can do (click the wrench)
[09:39] <tsimpson> philyaw: you can just type in a sum and it'll give you the answer :)
[09:39] <jwill> philyaw: = <some mathermatical expression> will eval it
[09:40] <tsimpson> just put an '=' on the end
[09:40] <jwill> or start
[09:40] <darkdelusions> rofl I learned something new about krunner ;)
[09:40] <APERSON> jwill, dropbox works great! sans the nice icons and file manager integration
[09:41] <philyaw> !medibuntu
[09:41] <jwill> APERSON: Cool.  For some reason when I used that method, dropbox synced at 0.1kb/s, and kept making strange files seemingly related to netowrk IO...
[09:42] <philyaw> whats this ubuntu package named?
[09:42] <philyaw> hardy?
[09:43] <philyaw> !virtualbox
[09:43] <titan_ark_> hey how can i set up the software update to schedule updates?
[09:44] <Daughain> philyaw: The most recent is Karmic Koala, 9.10
[09:46] <philyaw> !beagle
[09:48] <philyaw> I downloaded Beagle but it isn't showing up anywhere
[09:48] <philyaw> ideas?
[09:54] <titan_ark_> time to hit the sack!
[09:54] <titan_ark_> nite everyone
[10:02] <APERSON> if I give no password for the kwallet, will it ask me for permission when I need to use use? - sorry if that sounds vague
[10:03] <APERSON> use it*
[10:22] <prizrak> привет всем
[10:23] <prizrak> hi
[10:26] <prizrak> !op
[10:27] <tsimpson> prizrak: why did you do that?
[10:31] <prizrak> I from Russia know English badly
[10:31] <tsimpson> !ru
[10:32] <prizrak> Thanks!
[10:33] <Daughain> Whats a wrapper, how do I make one, and all that fun stuff. =)
[10:48] <APERSON> is there a way to disable the mousewheel from switching desktops?  I find it really annoying
[10:55] <sabine> ohmann
[11:07] <anna> first steps with cron: I've written a command file "daily" containing "echo hello", in users crontab the job is started every minute "daily >>/tmp/daily.log", the file /tmp/daily.log is produced but contains nothing. any idea?
[11:52] <Daughain> Anyone tell me what a wrapper is?
[11:53] <iconmefisto> one who, or that which, wraps :P
[11:54] <iconmefisto> Daughain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_wrapper
[11:54] <Daughain> Thanks.
[11:56] <naftilos76> hi, has anybody been able to configure a Multipurpose Canon MX860 Printer/Scanner/Fax with Kubuntu 9.10 or even compile latest SANE source?
[11:58] <naftilos76> anyone?
[11:58] <Daughain> iconmefisto:  OK, so how do I make one? That wiki entry wasnt very informative.
[12:00] <APERSON> that seems to beyond the scope of this channel
[12:00] <Daughain> So, what channel do I try? =)
[12:09] <ararat> schön guten tag
[12:12] <iconmefisto> Daughain: ndiswrapper is commonly used in linux for some wifi adapters https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[12:14] <Daughain> I need to create some sort of start/stop wrapper for a locanet install.
[12:28] <infinite> Hello FOLKS
[12:28] <Pepito> Hallo
[12:30] <Pepito> Nach der Neuinstallation eines neuen Kernels war der Zeichensatz ploetzlich Englisch. Wer kann mir sagen, wie ich den Zeichensatz wieder auf deutsch bekomme
[12:30] <infinite> I am unable to connect to wireless LAN
[12:31] <infinite> k-ng
[13:06] <ice_age_> What is the difference between gnome-ppp and kppp? Do they both use wvdial?
[13:09] <marcreichelt> hi there!
[13:09] <Daughain> Morning.
[13:09] <marcreichelt> I am using Kubuntu 9.10, and I have some problems with GTK applications (e.g. Eclipse or Flash Plugin)
[13:13] <marcreichelt> and sometimes I have to click Buttons twice or I have to use the space bar to activate it
[13:13] <marcreichelt> does anyone know which problem this may be?
[13:14] <marcreichelt> I have set "export GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=1" in my .bashrc, but it does not fix all problems :-(
[13:34] <mauri> zvbi is not enabled in karmic.... and vlc is not able to see the teletext. How can i solve it?ù
[14:03] <infinite> Hello Folks
[14:16] <itu> ^
[14:26] <frans> hi! what shall i do here?
[14:26] <Daskreech> frans: New to IRC?
[14:27] <frans> yes, just trying out all the ubuntu packages, this is quassel
[14:31] <Daughain> Anyone here help me with getting tftpd set up?
[14:33] <frans> Daughain: what package?
[14:34] <Daughain> tftpd-hpa
[14:34] <Daughain> Using bootp.
[14:34] <Daskreech> frans: This is a Support channel so you can either come here to get help with a problem or you can hang out here and help other people
[14:35] <Daskreech> Or just hang out here to learn more thngs
[14:35] <Daskreech> Daughain: What's the setup you would like?
[14:35] <Daughain> Daskreech: This is what I am trying to accomplish;   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet
[14:36] <frans> Daskreech: OK I'll hang around for a while
[14:37] <Daughain> In step 2, setting up bootp, the edits ti the bootptab seem to be missing a path to find the pxelinux.0 file.
[14:37] <Daughain> Do I need to edit the td or hd settings as I think?
[14:38] <Daughain> This tut is great, but, I'm getting a bald spot on the top of my head fromit./
[14:40] <frans> Daughain: perhaps http://www.davidsudjiman.info/2006/03/27/installing-and-setting-tftpd-in-ubuntu/
[14:40] <Daughain> So far, bootp opens the cnnection to the client system, and then tftp fails.
[14:41] <Daughain> frans; I have now spent 6 hours going through webpages. Especially sick of readng wbepages that are for people who know more than I do.
[14:42] <Daskreech> Daughain: Have you looked at the manual  for bootp?
[14:42] <Daughain> Daskreech: No, I dont know how to.
[14:43] <opengeek_> Hi, somebody knows whta data I need to put a bug sa confirmed on Launchpad
[14:43] <opengeek_> ?
[14:44] <Daskreech> ah whoops none installed
[14:44] <Daskreech> opengeek_: try in #ubuntu-bugs
[14:44] <opengeek_> ok thanks
[14:47] <Daskreech> Daughain: Where is your pxelinux.0 file?
[14:48] <Daughain> Daskreech: /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.0
[14:48] <Daughain> Default install location.
[14:49] <Daskreech> Daughain: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/install-tftp.html#tftp-images should help
[14:50] <Daskreech> Bottom sentence
[14:50]  * Daughain sighs.
[14:50] <Daskreech> Daughain: You can point it to where you are at now or just symlink it
[14:51] <Daughain> pxelinux.0 is a symlink./
[14:52] <Daskreech> to where?
[14:53] <Daughain> I dont know, the symlink was part of the netboot.tar.gz package.
[14:53] <Daughain> and, the reason I am here asking for help, is because all of these tut pages are above my head. I dont understand half of what they are saying.
[14:54] <Daskreech> Daughain: Right but where is the symlink pointing ?
[14:54] <Daskreech> type ls -l to get the long listing of the symlink and you can see where it is pointing to
[14:55] <Daughain> as in 'sudo ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.0'?
[14:56] <Daskreech> No need for sudo
[14:56] <Daskreech> and the file should properly be in /tftboot as that wiki page mentions
[14:57] <Daughain> It points to another pxelinux.0 file two levels down.
[14:57] <Daughain> '/tftpboot, as in root dir?
[15:02] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Ok, whats he cmmand to move the folder to root?
[15:02] <frans> Hi guys, my synaptic is getting slow, any tips? mark/unmark takes 60 sec
[15:02] <Daughain> CHeck systems monitor and find out what is going on with your resources?
[15:03] <Daughain> Or, htop/f6/ram to find out what is hogging it?
[15:04] <pratik_narain> is kubuntu as stable as ubuntu
[15:04] <Daughain> See what your cores are doing, and what is taking up proccys?
[15:05] <frans> Daughain: now without doing anything 800MB free, 90% cpu free, when i mark/unmark it takes 100% cpu for 60 sec
[15:05] <Daughain> Morning, BluesKaj
[15:05] <BluesKaj> hi Daughain
[15:05] <Daughain> frans: Out of my league. As I keep sayin, Im a newb.
[15:06] <pratik_narain> is kubuntu as stable as ubuntu
[15:06] <Daughain> BluesKaj: WHat command do I use to move a folder from /var to rot?
[15:06] <Daughain> Root, even?
[15:07] <Daughain> pratik_narain: From what I have heard, not quite. But, I run ubuntu with kde, not a kubuntu install.
[15:08] <Empty_foo> i run kubuntu and it's more than stable.
[15:08] <pratik_narain> Daughain: how to do this and also remove gnome
[15:08] <Daughain> pratik_narain: I dont want to remove gnome, so I have no clue.
[15:09] <pratik_narain> Daughain: presently i'm running kubuntu karmic in virtualbox and it crashes frequently
[15:09] <Daughain> pratik_narain: Though, I expect you could prolly do it via synaptics, if you really wanted to.
[15:09] <Empty_foo> ya.. virtualboxes aren't always as good as you need them to be yet.
[15:09] <Daughain> pratik_narain: I dont evenknow what you just said. I'm a newb.
[15:10] <Daughain> I'm here tryingto get some help too.=)
[15:10] <pratik_narain> Daughain: no probs. but can u tell how you install kde in ubuntu
[15:10] <pratik_narain> Daughain: explain the problem, maybe i can help
[15:11] <Daughain> pratik_narain: I went to the kde main page, and went through synaptics, copying every file I saw listed, and a few extra that looked like they might be interestng.
[15:11] <Daughain> Since I also installed karamba while I was at it.
[15:12] <Daughain> Right now, all I want to do is know what term command I use as root to move a folder from a /var location to a root location. I;ve given up getting any help beyond that.
[15:13] <frans> pratik_narain: I did 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' and now i can choose between gnome and kde
[15:13] <Daskreech> Daughain: sudo cp /path/to/directory /
[15:14] <pratik_narain> Daughain: sudo mv /var/<location> /<new_location>
[15:14] <frans> Daughain: dont :-) what file/dir you want to have where?
[15:14] <pratik_narain> Daughain: Daskreech's solution is also correct but it copies not moves
[15:14] <Daughain> frans: Te method I used is more time consuming, but it also allows you to add more packages initially.  Still have the same switching options.
[15:14] <pratik_narain> Daughain: also don't do it
[15:15] <pratik_narain> Daughain: don't mess with system files and locations
[15:15] <Daughain> If I had a choice here, I would use it. Aparently one package installed in the wrong place and I need to move it.
[15:16] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Thanks, I would prefer to copy just in case.
[15:17] <Daughain> "omitting directory..."  ???
[15:18] <gustavo1> Hello. I just upgraded to KDE SC 4.4rc1 using the Kubuntu Beta PPA and now I just get a black screen after login where the only visible thing is the cursor. I tried removing the .kde directory but nothing changes. What can I do?
[15:18] <Daughain> That failed.
[15:19] <frans> got to go, have fun
[15:19] <gustavo1> I'm using Karmic in a dual monitor environment. But it's broken even when the spare monitor is off
[15:19] <Daughain> Have fun, fras
[15:19] <lordnoxx> hallo
[15:20] <lordnoxx> whats the language in this channel? English or german?
[15:21] <lordnoxx> Hello? someone there?
[15:22] <ikonia> yes
[15:22] <lordnoxx> a fine
[15:22] <APERSON> english
[15:22] <lordnoxx> whats the language in this channel? English or german?
[15:22] <APERSON> !de
[15:22] <ikonia> yes
[15:23] <lordnoxx> ok english then
[15:23] <Daughain> Nope, have to edit bootptab.
[15:24] <lordnoxx> i was just wanted to install partimage in my Ubuntu karmic. apt then says: package partimage could not be found
[15:24] <APERSON> amarok isn't organizing my music collection, I right click on my collection > organize files , hit ok on the dialog, and nothing.  Any ideas?
[15:24] <lordnoxx> why?
[15:25] <lordnoxx> i enabled all repos in /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:25] <APERSON> lordnoxx, looks like only the partimage-doc package is there
[15:25] <lordnoxx> and i did apt-get update after that
[15:26] <lordnoxx> yeah but in all prior Kubuntu versions it was there
[15:26] <martylos> i want some help here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:27] <APERSON> you'll just have to install it manually or use something else that is in the repos, lordnoxx
[15:27] <APERSON> !patience | martylos
[15:27] <lordnoxx> ok thank you
[15:27] <martylos> aperson i have a prob. to instal my wifi in kubuntu
[15:28] <Daughain> How do I search for a folder from konsole?
[15:28] <APERSON> lordnoxx, I normally use gparted
[15:28] <APERSON> DarkHack, find ?
[15:28] <llutz> Daughain: find /path -type d -iname name
[15:28] <Daughain> llutz:  Thanks.
[15:28] <lordnoxx> anderson, gparted for backup?
[15:30] <APERSON> lordnoxx, if all partimage does is create an image, gparted can do that, otherwise, you could use dd
[15:30] <Daughain> llutz: I dont know the path, thats the problem.
[15:30] <llutz> Daughain: start at /
[15:30]  * Daughain nods.
[15:31] <APERSON> lordnoxx, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partimage odd, it says it's in karmic
[15:32] <babu> hai
[15:33] <babu> is anyone there
[15:33] <APERSON> !ask | babu
[15:33] <babu> hai aperson
[15:34] <babu> i am using hardy ...i upgraded my vlc...but it is not....wat to do
[15:35] <babu> is anyone hear me...
[15:36] <babu> pls answer
[15:36] <noaXess> hi all
[15:36] <noaXess> whats the command/tool to rename a volume?
[15:39] <seven_> hellow everybody
[15:39] <APERSON> noaXess, e2label
[15:39] <babu> Whn i try to install ubuntu in my lap...it doesn't show the partition volume.....My configuration is INtel core2duo t7500 2 GB ram
[15:40] <APERSON> noaXess, that is, if you have an ext partition to label
[15:40] <noaXess> APERSON: thanks.. thats it :)
[15:41] <Rit> did something change currently with kde's sound architecture?
[15:41] <noaXess> i have a externa Western Digital hd with a virtual cd-rom drive.. is it possible, to del/hide this drive?
[15:43] <babu> pls reply for my query
[15:43] <APERSON> !patience | babu
[15:44] <APERSON> noaXess, I think you can set the partition to hidden
[15:44] <babu> I already poste there...but in vain
[15:44] <APERSON> noaXess, I usually use gparted for these sorts of things
[15:45] <APERSON> babu: you might want to try #ubuntu
[15:52] <Daskreech> Daughain: whoops sorry sudo cp -R
[15:53] <Daskreech> Daughain: if you want to find something that you know has been there for a while you can use locate
[15:54] <Daughain> I've already edited the bootptab file.
[15:54] <Daughain> Now, apparently I need to install dhcp3-server.
[15:54] <Daskreech> Daughain: on the client?
[15:54] <Daughain> And it failed.....
[15:55] <Daughain> NO, I need this system as a serve, apparently.
[15:55] <Daughain> Not as a client.
[15:55] <Daughain> I dunno, I say again, I can barely understand what these tut files are saying.
[15:55] <Daskreech> What are you trying to do?
[15:55] <Daughain> I am half guessing at what I need to do based on what I can sorta make out in these files.
[15:56] <Daughain> INstall ubuntu on remote system using localnet install.
[15:56] <Daskreech> bootp has a fairly complex obfuscated config
[15:56] <Daughain> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet
[15:56] <Daskreech> Daughain: And you are setting them to start from the network card?
[15:56] <Daughain> Setting what? The remote system? Yes.
[15:57] <Presnus> I'm trying 'gdb amarok' but gdb tells me that there are no debug symbols found but I installed the amarok-dbg package :s
[15:57] <Daughain> BIOS already set for  install from lan.
[15:57] <Daughain> Wake from lan setting is failing, though.
[15:59] <Daughain> bootp works, its opening a tunnel on the remote sys.
[15:59] <Daughain> I'm stilll trying  to figure out how to get tftp to install the kernel and initrd.
[15:59] <Daskreech> Presnus: weird
[16:01] <Daskreech> The tftp config is pointing at /var/lib/tftpboot ?
[16:01] <Daughain> WHat tftp config?
[16:01] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Think of me as the newb that came in here asking how you turn your computer off.
[16:03] <Daughain> The initd.conf is slightly diffreent from the arrangement on https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/installation-guide/i386/install-tftp.html
[16:04] <Daughain> I have root in place of nobody
[16:04] <Daughain> Prior to that on the same page it tells me to set up and configure dhcp3-server.
[16:05] <Daughain> I dont know enough to know if I need to or not.
[16:05] <subito> how can i downgrade to a stable release of kde? i wanted to try a beta so i've added the kubuntu ppa in my sources.list, but now that i've removed it, i still have kde 4.4 beta
[16:06] <Daughain> And, this is what I get at the end of the install attempt; invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "start" failed.
[16:12] <Daughain> Daskreech: Any ideas?
[16:14] <Daughain> Daskreech: And, if the .conf is the file I think it is, then yes, it points to /var/lib/tftpboot
[16:15] <Daughain> Its tftpd-hpa, not a .conf file.
[16:15] <x_link> Hi!
[16:16] <Daughain> Monring.
[16:16] <x_link> i installed Kubuntu and I use MSN and Jabber
[16:16] <Daughain> I'm sorry.
[16:16] <x_link> I start Kopete but I don't see my contacts
[16:16] <Daughain> You need to load you acct info to kopete.
[16:16] <x_link> In Kopete-KDE3 I got 2 icons in Kopete, one for MSN and one for Jabber. Så I could just right-click on the icon and choose online/away/invisible etc
[16:17] <x_link> Daughain: Aldready done that, I used Kopete yesteday
[16:17] <Daughain> x_link: And, today you have nothing?
[16:17] <x_link> Yes
[16:17] <x_link> It says that I'm online
[16:18] <Daughain> BUt, no list of contacts.....???
[16:18] <x_link> Yes
[16:18] <x_link> Exactly
[16:18] <Daughain> Is it possible your contacts are not online right now?
[16:19] <x_link> No, cause I have alot of them
[16:19] <x_link> Daughain: And then I would see if they weren't there
[16:19] <Daughain> I dunno....I use pidgin, personally.
[16:20] <Daughain> So, this requires the epxertise of someone whoknows more than me on the subject. =( Sorry.
[16:20] <x_link> Daughain: Np, thanks alot anyway
[16:21] <Daughain> Good luck, x_link
[16:21] <x_link> Thanks
[16:22] <apparle> how to mid files
[16:22] <babu> how to enable nvidia in fedora 12 i686 PAE
[16:23] <APERSON> babu, this isn't a channel for fedora support
[16:24] <fale> babu: #fedora
[16:24] <gustavo1> Hi again. A few minutes ago I posted my problem with the KDE 4.4 RC1 upgrade (black screen after login). The problem is that you didn't install plasma-desktop.
[16:29] <apparle> how to mid files
[16:29] <apparle> how to play midi files
[16:30] <APERSON> gustavo1, that's good to know, I was having trouble installing 4.4
[16:32] <Daskreech> Daughain: Sorry back again. I keep getting called away
[16:32] <Daskreech>  Did you find out about the tftpd config?
[16:33] <Daskreech> subito: remove KDE
[16:33] <Daughain> If thats the -hpa file, then yes.....Looking at my inetd.conf, however, I notice some strange things about it.
[16:33] <Daughain> Gimme amin and will pastebin.
[16:33] <subito> Daskreech: yes i was told to reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[16:34] <Daskreech> Daughain: ok What is in the /var/lib/tftpboot directory?
[16:35] <Daughain> http://pastebin.ca/1745646
[16:36] <Daughain> tftpboot folder, which is set as 'server file root'.
[16:36] <Daskreech> apparle: you probably need a midi bank
[16:36] <Daughain> IE; where I extract the tar.gz file to.
[16:38] <Daskreech> Daughain: ok can you pastebin ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot ?
[16:38] <apparle> Daskreech: what is that
[16:38] <Daskreech> apparle: midi isn't actually music it's like a database lookup
[16:38] <Daughain> Daskreech: First I would like you to take a look at my inetd.conf, which I just posted.
[16:39] <Daskreech> You say play the sound of a clarinet at C# and the midi bank looks up that sound and plays it for you
[16:39] <Daskreech> apparle: You need something like timidity installed which has the actual sounds
[16:39] <Daskreech> I did
[16:39] <apparle> Daskreech: alright so how to get that
[16:39] <Daskreech> It's ok
[16:39] <Daskreech> !midi
[16:42] <Daughain> http://pastebin.ca/1745656
[16:42] <Daughain> Thats the ls -l output.
[16:43] <Daughain> Daskreech: http://pastebin.ca/1745656
[16:43] <Daskreech> and you have a i386 inside ubuntu-installer directory
[16:44] <Daughain> Yup.
[16:44] <Daskreech> Ok cool
[16:46] <Daughain> Daskreech:   http://pastebin.ca/1745662     Thats my bootptab file.
[16:46] <Daughain> Tell me what is wrong with it.
[16:50] <ubuntu> can anyone please help me? my x won't start and none of the solutions I found on the forums helped
[16:50] <ubuntu> currently im working on a liveCD
[16:50] <Daughain> X?
[16:50] <Daskreech> Daughain: Can You tell me if you have a /etc/init.d/inetd file ?
[16:50] <Daskreech> ubuntu: Why won't it start?
[16:50] <ubuntu> yeh.. i mean the gui / shell thing
[16:50] <Daughain> Yup, posted the contents earlier.
[16:51] <ubuntu> now i only get a command prompt (terminal)
[16:51] <Daughain> ubuntu: You have a gwm file?
[16:51] <Daughain> Daskreech:  That was the first pastebin  posted.
[16:51] <Daskreech> Daughain: Why is bootps disabled in it?
[16:52] <Daskreech> ubuntu: why won't it start?
[16:52] <Daughain> Daskreech:   I dont know, that was the file i wanted you to look at first, exactly for that reason.
[16:52] <Daskreech> Daughain: type ps aux | grep boot
[16:53] <shazzoo> srr.. crash
[16:53] <shazzoo> can anyone please help me? my x won't start and none of the solutions I found on the forums helped
[16:53] <shazzoo> as i said before x won't start.. ("startx"
[16:53] <Daskreech> shazzoo: why won't it start?
[16:54] <shazzoo> also, when i try apt-get --reinstall xserver-xorg it doesn't "do" anything
[16:54] <Daughain> Daskreech:   http://pastebin.ca/1745674
[16:54] <shazzoo> have no idea.. yesterday i installed sp2 for vista
[16:54] <shazzoo> )(runnng dual boot
[16:54] <shazzoo> (important detail)
[16:54] <Daskreech> shazzoo: Maybe :) so what have you tried ?
[16:55] <shazzoo> well.. let me see, quite a lot
[16:55] <shazzoo> fist i tried to reinstall the grub
[16:55] <Daskreech> Ok go through what you did and what happened when you did it
[16:55] <Daskreech> ok
[16:55] <shazzoo> which didn't work
[16:55] <shazzoo> then.. i tried updating the nvidia drivers
[16:56] <Daskreech> Daughain: ok so bootpd is running
[16:56] <shazzoo> yep
[16:56] <Daskreech> shazzoo: More details on it didn't work
[16:56] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Yes, bootp works fine, tunnels t remote sys, tftpd fails.
[16:57] <shazzoo> when i updated the nvidia i could see an nvidia logo flashing when startx
[16:57] <shazzoo> then it returned to the command prompt..
[16:57] <Daskreech> Daughain: Ok lets see if we can test that then
[16:57] <shazzoo> also apt-get --reinstall xserver-xorg didnt work
[16:57] <Daughain> Daskreech:  It seems like tftpd is not starting when it is supposed to, so, I edited the bootptab file.
[16:57] <Daskreech> shazzoo: what happened when you typed X
[16:58] <shazzoo> fsck in recovery mode yielded no damaged sectors etc
[16:58] <shazzoo> just "X"?
[16:58] <Daskreech> Just X
[16:59] <Daughain> das Since the tftpboot folder was not in root, but in /var/lib
[16:59] <shazzoo> :( get kicked every now and hten
[17:00] <shazzoo> srr for that..
[17:01] <shazzoo> [16:59] <shazzoo> :( get kicked every now and hten
[17:01] <shazzoo> [17:00] <shazzoo> srr for that..
[17:02] <shazzoo> i just don't get any error messages.. so it seems
[17:03] <Daughain> shazzoo: Dont get too upset, he'll be back when he can. Its being one of those days for him.
[17:03] <Daughain> He;s been helping me for about 4 hours now.
[17:04] <shazzoo> i'm not upset with a person, its my computer ;)
[17:04] <Daughain> In between being called away. =)
[17:04] <Daughain> lol,
[17:04] <shazzoo> i'm already glad someone is here willing to even look at my problem :^^
[17:05] <Daughain> Hell, I spent 6 hours on mine alone, then spent another 3 hours trying to find someone who was willing to *help* not just tel me to read websites.
[17:05] <shazzoo> wow..
[17:06] <darkdelusions> Daughain: Read websites :)
[17:06] <shazzoo> well.. all the time i keep on thinking i *could do a reinstall
[17:06] <Daughain> I'm having the joyous experience of needing to do something that is way over my head, and all the tuts are written for IT pro's, not 1mo newbies.
[17:06] <shazzoo> but then again.. i really don't want to
[17:06]  * Daughain smacks darkdelusions  on the nose with his walking stick, this time.
[17:07]  * Daughain scratchs his head......No pictures on website....???? Now what I do?
[17:07] <shazzoo> maybe i should just accept the fact that i do not have what it takes to tackle this one
[17:07] <Daughain> shazzoo:  o such thing. =)
[17:07] <Daughain> No, even.
[17:08] <Daughain> shazzoo:  Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[17:08] <Daskreech> shazzoo: can you mount your drive?
[17:08] <shazzoo> ubuntu.. just noticed i'm even too dim to log on to the proper channel
[17:08] <Daughain> lol
[17:09] <shazzoo> do the two differ much?
[17:09] <Daskreech> Daughain: You are setting up a pretty complex situation and using the complex tools to do so :)
[17:09]  * Daughain shrugs..
[17:09] <Daskreech> shazzoo: Not at the X level
[17:09] <Daughain> Daskreech:  I know, that still doesnt change the fact that I am a mechanic with computers as a hobby, not an IT tech. =)
[17:11] <shazzoo> does GNOME rely on x?
[17:11] <darkdelusions> shazzoo: yep
[17:11] <Daughain> Daskreech: Be a lot easier, actualy, if I wasnt so damn new to linux in the first place.
[17:11] <Daskreech> Daughain: ok tell me the sequence that you are seeing
[17:11] <shazzoo> it might be the case that GNOME is messed up..
[17:11] <Daskreech>  Bootp works and creates a tunnel then what?
[17:11] <Daskreech> shazzoo: Yes
[17:12] <Daskreech> shazzoo: Which is why I asked you to simply run X
[17:12] <Daskreech> that is X by itself with no Gnome or KDE
[17:12] <Daughain> bootp open tunnel for tftp, which then proceeds to an 'open timeout'.
[17:12] <Daskreech> If that works then we need to fix gnome or more specifcally gdm
[17:12] <shazzoo> just a sec.. is there some way to do this WHILST running the liveCD boot?
[17:12] <Daskreech> Daughain: Do you ahve a log for that?
[17:12] <Daughain> I dont evenknow where to look, honestly.
[17:12] <Daskreech> shazzoo: Yes but too complex to get into now
[17:13] <Daskreech> shazzoo: Mount your drive and in your home directory there isa file
[17:13] <Daskreech>  ~/.xsession-errors that will tell you why startx failed
[17:13] <shazzoo> which one ? :)
[17:13] <shazzoo> k :) moment
[17:13] <Daskreech> which ever one you ran startx as
[17:13] <Daskreech> Daughain: /var/log is a good bet
[17:13] <Daskreech> inetd.log perhaps
[17:14] <thegatekeeper> when i install 195.30 nvidia drivers
[17:14] <thegatekeeper> X stops working
[17:14] <thegatekeeper> any idea?
[17:14] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Ok, I look.
[17:15] <Daskreech> Dont's install 195.30 drivers?
[17:16] <shazzoo> seems like the same problem gatekeeper..
[17:16] <shazzoo> you also get a nice nvidia logo when starting x/
[17:18] <thegatekeeper> shazzoo? same problem?
[17:19] <shazzoo> ok... the /home folder doenst seem to contain said file
[17:19] <shazzoo> (xsession-errors)
[17:19] <shazzoo> gk, yeh.. but i have NO clue on how to solve.. have been at it all day..
[17:19] <shazzoo> FOUND THEM!!
[17:19] <shazzoo> they were in home/user
[17:19] <thegatekeeper> wwhat ya lokoing for
[17:20] <shazzoo> xsession-erros
[17:20] <deruni> http://code.google.com/p/paint-mono/downloads/list
[17:21] <shazzoo> ok what am i looking for
[17:21] <deruni> paint mono. deb packages available?
[17:21] <shazzoo> (gnome-settings-daemon:1683): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_propagate_error: assertion `src != NULL' failed
[17:22] <thegatekeeper> shazzoo try the new drivers
[17:22] <thegatekeeper> 195.53
[17:22] <thegatekeeper> let me know
[17:23] <Daskreech> shazzoo: anything with an EE
[17:24] <shazzoo> ok bb
[17:27] <shazzoo> no lines starting with EE
[17:27] <Daskreech> What's the last set of lines in the file
[17:27] <Daskreech>  last 15 or so?
[17:27] <Daskreech> pastebin
[17:28] <shazzoo> Errors were encountered while processing:
[17:28] <shazzoo>  linux-image-2.6.31-16-generic
[17:28] <shazzoo>  ureadahead
[17:29] <shazzoo>  libdns53
[17:29] <shazzoo>  libisccfg50
[17:29] <FloodBotK1> shazzoo: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:29] <shazzoo>  libbind9-50
[17:29] <shazzoo> srr :(
[17:29] <shazzoo> i will but it in paste.ubuntu
[17:30] <Daskreech> paste.ubuntu.com
[17:31] <shazzoo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/354599/
[17:31] <shazzoo> the last 441 lines are in tehere.. srr.. really don't know what i'm looking for
[17:32] <shazzoo> but this all doesn't look too good..
[17:32] <shazzoo> perhaps i hsould just reinstall right..?
[17:32] <Kolia> shazzoo: reinstalling is rarely necessary
[17:33] <Kolia> don't give up :)
[17:33] <shazzoo> hehe :)
[17:33] <shazzoo> ohyeh.. there was also a problem "locking" Xauthority.. but this wasnt logged
[17:34] <Kolia> shazzoo: IceXauthority?
[17:34] <shazzoo> no .Xauthority
[17:34] <LetsGo67> How do I watch TV using my TV Tuner Card in Ubuntu?
[17:35] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Located a syslog with some relevant info on bootp.
[17:36] <Kolia> shazzoo: have you tried reconfiguring xserver already?
[17:36] <shazzoo> yep
[17:36] <shazzoo> sudo apt-get --reintall xserver-xorg
[17:36] <Kolia> have you tried rebooting with an older kernel?
[17:36] <Kolia> nope
[17:36] <Kolia> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:36] <shazzoo> and sudo dpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:36] <shazzoo> yep
[17:36] <shazzoo> :)
[17:36] <Kolia> ok
[17:36] <Kolia> ;p
[17:36] <shazzoo> read many forums
[17:36] <FloodBotK1> Kolia: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:36] <FloodBotK1> shazzoo: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:37] <Kolia> mouarf
[17:37] <shazzoo> srr :(
[17:37] <Kolia> you tried rebooting with an older kernel?
[17:37] <shazzoo> arent these channers meant for communicating?
[17:37] <shazzoo> yep.. no luck :(
[17:37] <shazzoo> seems it affected all kernels
[17:37] <Daughain> Daskreech:   Attemoting install again, and will pastebin the most recent log.
[17:38] <Kolia> sorry, can you remind me what happens? x does not start?
[17:38] <shazzoo> at some point a new one was created
[17:38] <shazzoo> indeed
[17:38] <Kolia> you get an error when trying  startx  ?
[17:39] <shazzoo> none..
[17:39] <shazzoo> only the problem "locking" .xauthority
[17:39] <Kolia> can't you remove the lock?
[17:40] <shazzoo> after reinstalling nvidia drivers the nv logo flashes and i return to terminal
[17:40] <Kolia> hum
[17:40] <shazzoo> no.. doens't seem like it
[17:40] <Kolia> what if you try to start kdm from command?
[17:41] <shazzoo> i'm not working in kubuntu, its ubuntu
[17:41] <Kolia> erm.. what's the point of being here then? :)
[17:42] <shazzoo> yes indeed
[17:43] <shazzoo> i found that out later.. but then daskreech started helping me
[17:43] <Kolia> :)
[17:44] <Kolia> you never installed kubuntu-desktop?
[17:45] <shazzoo> not really.. why?
[17:46] <Kolia> just to know
[17:47] <Kolia> i'm afraid i cant help much, i left ubuntu long time ago and not used to gnome anymore :/
[17:47] <Kolia> have you asked on #ubuntu ? lots of people there
[17:47] <shazzoo> thats alrgiht ;)
[17:47] <shazzoo> yeh i know.. bit too busy even
[17:47] <Kolia> right :/
[17:48] <Kolia> the balance is hard to find on channels
[17:49] <peppino> I downloaded vlc_1.0.2.orig.tar.gz file and afer i've compiled it for my karmic. After the entire process, VLC works but something is missing. In the capture device --> Capture mode  is desappeaed my dvb device.    But instead with the package download from repository, the menus existing and the dvbt device works
[17:49] <Daughain> Daskreech: http://pastebin.ca/1745720  Thats the log of the most recent install attempt.
[17:51] <Daughain> Hmmm.....Looks like I may need to reboot soon...Again.
[17:53] <Daskreech> Daughain: j
[17:53] <Daskreech> k
[17:54] <shazzoo> Dasrkeech did you see my post?
[17:55] <Daskreech> shazzoo: this is from /media/disk/home/user/.xsession-errors ?
[17:55] <shazzoo> yes
[17:56] <Daskreech> peppino: #vlc
[17:57] <peppino> Daskreech: tnk but vlc people say that it is a distibution problem
[17:57] <Daskreech> peppino: You compiled it from source?
[17:57] <shadeslayer> any problems with the upgrade to 4.4 RC?
[17:57] <peppino> Daskreech: yes
[17:57] <Daskreech> Daughain: That address already in use what's that from?
[17:58] <Daskreech>  Do you have the unique MAC address for the computer?
[17:58] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: just saw your dent/ What's the PPA?
[17:58] <Daskreech> peppino: and the package that comes with the distro works?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: :D its ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[17:59] <Daughain> I'm wondering if that bind call is for the bootptab settings.
[17:59] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: youre on identi.ca?
[17:59] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: Isn't everyone? :)
[18:00] <peppino> Daskreech: yes a part televideo that is tthe reason why i recompliling it
[18:00] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: hehe... whats your URL?
[18:01] <Daskreech> Daughain: ah wait no that bind is probably correct
[18:01] <Daskreech> peppino: Ah and how are they deciding that since the distro package works and the compiled version isn't that it is a distro problem ?
[18:01] <Daskreech> identi.ca/skreech2
[18:02] <Daughain> Well, since I beleive the one setting is wrong to begin with, I reset it back to default for now anyway.
[18:02] <Daskreech> Daughain: it is strange that there are two boot attempts at teh same second
[18:02] <peppino> Daskreech: i dont know
[18:03] <Daskreech> peppino: what's your /dev device for the dvb ?
[18:04] <peppino> Deathvalley122: help me.... give me the command
[18:05] <shazzoo> daskreech: i have to leave now, but could you post me if you find smth?
[18:05] <Daughain> Daskreech:   I dont know where you see that, but I'll tae ya word for it. =)
[18:05] <shazzoo> (i'll try to be back within an hour)
[18:06] <Daskreech> shazzoo: ok
[18:06] <shazzoo> thanks a lot man :) y'seem busy helping everyone here, thanks for your effort
[18:07] <Daskreech> Daughain: That was the last entry for bootpd in the syslog?
[18:07] <Himmler> i add ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta in the software sources but i still can't get kde 4.4 rc1, any suggestions?
[18:07] <peppino> Deathvalley122: help me.... how can find the device
[18:08] <Daskreech> Himmler: it hasn't propogated to your server yet. Wait 30 minutes
[18:08] <Daskreech> peppino: Do you mean me?
[18:08] <Daughain> Daskreech: Ya, I ran the install attempt, just to get that log. Also to make sure I was getting the whole log, and not missing any by accident. =)
[18:09] <peppino> Daskreech: yes
[18:09] <Daskreech> Daughain: Nice thanks :)
[18:09] <Daskreech> Daughain: and no entry for tftpd ?
[18:10] <Daskreech> peppino: Do you have a /dev/dvb directory?
[18:10] <peppino> Daskreech: yes
[18:10] <Himmler> Daskreech: what you meant? it's a ppa
[18:10] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Not in that log. tftp keeps its own logs, but I dont know how to unencrypt them. =(
[18:12] <Daskreech> peppino: ok that should be where your dvb card is. you just need to figure out why the compiled version doesn't know it exists
[18:12] <Daskreech> Himmler: Ah good point :)
[18:12] <Daskreech> Daughain: Hmm?
[18:12] <Daskreech> HOw are they encrpyted?
[18:13] <Himmler> why i have so many blocked updates?
[18:14] <Daskreech> I couldn't tell you. Did you try a dist-upgrade?
[18:14] <Daughain> The in.tftpd ( tftp internal log file) shows as an executable.
[18:14] <Daskreech> cause it is
[18:14] <Himmler> Daskreech: ok i try
[18:15] <Daskreech> grep tftp /var/log/syslog shows nothing?
[18:17] <peppino> Daskreech: it is not easy...ook tnk
[18:18] <Daskreech> peppino: Right it's probably an option in your ./configure script. If you like look up the E-mail address of the maintainer for the Ubuntu vlc packages and e-mail them to get help if #vlc will not
[18:18] <Daskreech> hi jono
[18:18] <jono> hey
[18:18] <jono> :)
[18:19] <Daskreech> How re you?
[18:19] <jono> Daskreech, good thanks :)
[18:19] <jono> you?
[18:19] <Himmler> hi mr bacon.
[18:19] <peppino> Daskreech: where i can find the email address?
[18:20] <Daskreech> jono: Alright just helping some people out
[18:20] <jono> :)
[18:20] <jono> hey Himmler
[18:20] <Daskreech> peppino: apt-cache show vlc | grep Maintain
[18:23] <peppino> Daskreech: tnk for your time
[18:23] <Daughain> Daskreech: Just realized, my inetd.conf is not in the initd folder.
[18:24] <smellynosery> Hi - I have USB Audio, Terratec Aureon 5.1, but no sound is coming out of it
[18:24] <Daskreech> Daughain: it should be in the /etc directory
[18:24] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Its just /etc/inetd.conf
[18:24] <Daskreech> Daughain: That's correct
[18:24] <smellynosery> Under System Settings->Multimedia, when I press test a green light on top of the usb device flashes, but no sounds come out
[18:24] <smellynosery> Power is going to it, and speakers are plugged in and the volume is up
[18:24] <fujimitsu> is there a default dictionary application ?
[18:24] <Daskreech> there shuld be a /etc/init.d/inetd
[18:24] <smellynosery> Any ideas why I can't hear anything?
[18:24] <Daughain> Daskreech: Ok, the example this web tut has shows /etc/init/inetd.conf
[18:24] <Daughain> And people wonder why I am gettinf confused.
[18:24] <Daskreech> Where?
[18:25] <Daughain> Daskreech:  This si the tut page;  https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/installation-guide/i386/install-tftp.html
[18:25] <Daskreech> Daughain: argh :) in the .conf file you have a -s ?
[18:26] <Daskreech> Daughain: -s /var/lib/tftpdboot ?
[18:26] <Daskreech> Put a -l in front of the -s and then restart inetd
[18:26] <Daughain> Daskreech: Here's the whole line; tftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[18:26] <Daughain> /usr/bin/in.ftpd repeats....
[18:27] <Daskreech> Daughain: Right. put a -l before the -s
[18:27] <Daskreech> -l means log :(
[18:27] <Daughain> Ah.... =)brb
[18:28] <Daughain> OK, lemme run it again.
[18:28] <Daskreech> ok
[18:29]  * Himmler upgrades to kde 4.4 rc1
[18:30] <Daughain> Ok, running...
[18:30] <Guest14072> any one know anything about the grub rescue command prompt?
[18:30] <Daskreech> I'd suspect the answer is a yes.
[18:30] <APERSON> !anyone
[18:30] <Daskreech> Do you have a question about it?
[18:30] <Daskreech> Himmler: Showed up?
[18:31] <Himmler> Daskreech: yep, but the speed is a turtle
[18:31] <draik> Hello everyone.
[18:31]  * draik waves
[18:34] <Guest14072> I'm trying to install grub2 to it's own partition, which I thought I did with the Ubuntu 9.10 live cd by assigning /boot to that partition, while installing ubuntu to it's own /root partition.  When I rebooted and took the live cd out, I ended up at the grub rescue prompt, where the only command I've been able to execute was ls, but I can't execute ls -lh on any of the listed partitions to show their contents
[18:35] <Daughain> Daskreech: http://pastebin.ca/1745791  Most recent log.
[18:43] <Guest14072> I assume I'm irrelevant because I'm trying to run ubuntu?  For what it's worth I'm trying to run kubuntu on a separate partition
[18:44] <Daughain> Guest14072:  Wel, if ya wanna feel that way., go ahead. The answer is simple; The only person sorta here right now who might be abnle to help you is AFK. Be patient.
[18:44] <ozi> anyone can help to faster my performance using Kubuntu :D
[18:45] <ozi> 1.5Gb memory
[18:45] <ozi> p4 1.8ghz :(
[18:45] <ozi> i like KDE
[18:46] <ozi> but idont like slow speed
[18:47] <Daughain> Over-clock?
[18:47] <Himmler> ozi: try to disabling kwin
[18:55] <Daskreech> Guest14072: grub doesn't install to a partition as such
[18:56] <Daskreech> ozi: Turn off compositing and see if that speeds up. What do you see as slow?
[18:56] <Daskreech> Daughain: reading
[18:56] <Daskreech> Guest14072: how were you trying to install to /boot?
[18:56] <Daughain> Daskreech: np.
[18:57] <ozi> anyting else ?
[18:57] <Daskreech> ozi: What are you seeing as slow? Drawing? Hard drive access? Apps starting?
[18:58] <ozi> apps starting harddrive acces
[18:58] <Daskreech> Daughain: nothing for tfptd ?
[18:58] <Daughain> What ya see is what ya get. Nothing for tftp.
[18:59] <Daskreech> ozi: not sure how to speed up apps starting. Which application is seemingly very slow for you?
[18:59] <Daughain> Daskreech:  I dont actually think it is starting up.
[18:59] <Daskreech> Daughain: Ok I wonder if syslog is capturing anything for it
[18:59] <ozi> all
[18:59] <Daskreech> Daughain: psaux | grep inet
[18:59] <ozi> opera
[18:59] <Daskreech> Daughain: ps aux | grep inet
[18:59] <ozi> dolpin
[19:00] <Daskreech> ozi: opera. hmm not sure. Dolphin reads a lot of files before it shows up. Try turning off the places sidebar
[19:00] <Guest14072> Daskreech: so I can't install grub to a separate partition period?
[19:00] <ozi> yeah
[19:00] <Daughain> Daskreech: Here;s the output.
[19:00] <Daughain> root      1163  0.0  0.0  10280   636 ?        Ss   13:50   0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
[19:00] <Daughain> daughain 13774  0.0  0.0   7340   964 pts/1    S+   14:00   0:00 grep --color=auto inet
[19:00] <ozi> i try
[19:01] <Daskreech> or turning off previews since it will make a thumbnail for all the files in the ~ directory and sub directories
[19:01] <Daskreech> Guest14072: I'm saying that grub doesn't install to a partition perse it installs to the boot sector which is the first 512  of the hard drive
[19:01] <Daughain> Daskreech:  At leats it is locating the bootfile. =)
[19:02] <Daskreech> ozi: If you have lots of files in ~ or some sub directory like ~/Pictures then Dolphin will read through them before showing up
[19:03] <Daskreech> Guest14072: You can install it of course but I'm just saying that I'm not sure what it was you tried. So you may not see what you expect
[19:03] <Guest14072> Daskreech: is this always by default on the HDD?  I can't assign it to a partition?  As far as I know I have /boot on a separate partition and I had thought grub would boot from there, or atleast I could configure grub from there
[19:03] <Daskreech> Daughain: Which is wonderful :)
[19:03] <Daughain> Daskreech:  To help me out, what does the 'bind' comment refer to in that log? IP or a file location?
[19:03] <philyaw> What word processor do you guys use
[19:03] <Daughain> I'm still thiking the error may be in bootptab.
[19:03] <Daskreech> Guest14072: Yes the configuration for grub lies in /boot but grub itself doesn't it lives in a section of the hard drive you cannot access by a partition
[19:04] <Daskreech> Daughain: IP which is tied to the mac address
[19:04] <Daughain> Cool.
[19:04] <Daskreech> Daughain: Well tftp isn't logging anything so lets get that logged. did you restart inetd ?
[19:04] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Wasnt sure, so wanted to check.
[19:04] <Daughain> I just rebooted the whole system.
[19:04] <Daughain> Ran out of ram.
[19:05] <Daughain> But, thats a kde issue for another night.
[19:05] <Daskreech> Daughain: serious?
[19:05] <Daskreech> wow
[19:05] <Guest14072> Daskreech: allll right...so if it boots into the grub rescue command prompt I should be able to use the linux, initrd, and boot commands to boot into ubuntu, right?
[19:05] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Yes, The top three ram users according to htop are my kde workspaces.
[19:05] <Daskreech> I haven't done that in years and I have 700 MB of RAM
[19:05] <Daskreech> Ah
[19:05] <Daskreech> Guest14072: Sure. How did you install grub2 ?
[19:07] <Daskreech> Daughain: grep ftp /etc/syslog.conf
[19:07] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Ya....I seprrated my workspaces into 4 on the kde cube, but, 9 hours of work, and my ram climbs from call it 1250MB to 1628+MB, and 1628 is all I got. =)
[19:08] <Guest14072> Daskreech: well I thought the live cd did it when I assigned /boot to ny (hd0,6) partition
[19:08] <Daughain> No such animal.
[19:08] <Daskreech> Guest14072: no you need to follow the sequence that !grub shows after installing windows
[19:08] <Daskreech> !grub
[19:08] <Daskreech> The one for Grub2 of course
[19:09] <Daskreech> !grub2
[19:09] <Daskreech> Daughain: que? Hmm
[19:09] <Planetary_> I recently installed ubuntu and it works fine but freezes randomly. my computer is a hp visualize dual 1ghz P3, 2gigs ram, ati all-in-wonder 9700. its a rare computer. should i install an alternate kernel? alternate install?
[19:09] <Daskreech> Daughain: ls /etc/sysl* ?
[19:09] <Daughain> Daskreech: "no such file or directory".....No sech animal.
[19:09] <Planetary_> hh
[19:09] <Daskreech> Planetary_: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[19:10] <jwill-> Planetary_: What kind of freeze?
[19:10] <Daskreech> \o/ jwill-
[19:10] <Planetary_> I had kubuntu then i installes ubuntu. both froze
[19:10] <jwill-> Hey Daskreech.
[19:10] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Even using sudo, not there.
[19:10] <Daskreech> Planetary_: ah was it a kernel freeze or a X freeze?
[19:10] <Guest14072> Daskreech: so you are saying I still haven't "installed" grub2 to this mysterious place on my HDD? how can I be sure it's working with my /boot partition and not the /root partition where ubuntu is intalled?
[19:11] <Daskreech> Daughain: ps aux | grep sysl
[19:11] <jwill-> Planetary_: Does your mouse still move?
[19:11] <Planetary_> it freezes unexpectedly. im not loading it, just surfing the net and total lock up
[19:11] <Daughain> jwill-:  That localnet boot was a great idea. I'm *still* trying to make it work. :P
[19:11] <Planetary_> jwill-: no
[19:11] <jwill-> Daughain: D:  Could work though?
[19:11] <jwill-> Planetary_: Aww, I've got that twice.  Never happened to me on linux before...
[19:12] <Daskreech> Guest14072: the "mysterious place" is the boot sector and yes if you just did an install then it is likely not setup. follow the Wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 to configure everything
[19:12] <Daughain> jwill-:  Could, or I would have given up. =)
[19:12] <Daughain> Daskreech: root       666  0.0  0.0   8192   604 ?        Ss   13:50   0:00 dd bs=1 if=/proc/kmsg of=/var/run/rsyslog/kmsg
[19:12] <Daughain> syslog     783  0.0  0.1 126504  2140 ?        Sl   13:50   0:00 rsyslogd -c4
[19:12] <Daughain> daughain  2106  0.0  0.2 210620  4888 ?        Ssl  13:54   0:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[19:12] <Daughain> daughain  2849  0.0  0.0   7340   956 pts/1    S+   14:11   0:00 grep --color=auto sysl
[19:12] <FloodBotK1> Daughain: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:12] <jwill-> Daughain: Wait, you've been working on thissince I left to sleep?  Like 10 hours ago?
[19:12] <Daughain> jwill-: Yup.
[19:12] <shazzoo> lol
[19:12] <jwill-> O_o
[19:12] <Daskreech> Planetary_: Do you have another computer?
[19:12] <Daughain> The first three or four hours I was going it alone.
[19:12] <shazzoo> back again :)
[19:12] <philyaw> How do I find a program that I installed but isn't showing up in the Launcher?
[19:13] <Daughain> jwill-: And 'm a mechanic, not an IT tech.
[19:13] <jwill-> philyaw: Know the name of it?  If so you can start it via alt+f2.
[19:13] <Daughain> I keep forgetting that nifty shortcut.
[19:13] <philyaw> jwill, i tried that but it didn't show up
[19:13] <jwill-> philyaw: And you can add a menu entry by right clicking on the menu and selecting 'Menu Editor'
[19:13] <jwill-> philyaw: What is it?
[19:13] <Daskreech> Daughain: ok lets do a quick test
[19:14] <philyaw> jwill, aircrack
[19:14] <Daughain> Daskreech: Ok...Test what and how.
[19:14] <Daskreech> can you ftp to the computer?
[19:14] <Planetary_> Daskreech: yes
[19:14] <jwill-> Planetary_: It's a kernel thing if the mouse freezes and ALT + Print Screen + REISUB doesn't work
[19:14] <Daskreech> Planetary_: do you have ssh installed on the computer?
[19:14] <Daskreech> philyaw: Which program?
[19:14] <jwill-> philyaw: Open a terminal and type air, then press tab twice
[19:14] <Daskreech> hi shazzoo
[19:15] <Planetary_> Daskreech: not sure what that is
[19:15] <jwill-> Daskreech: Aircrack
[19:15] <Daskreech> jwill-: type aircrack in alt=F2
[19:15] <Planetary_> jwill-: i do that when it freezes
[19:15] <jwill-> Daskreech: He said that didn't work.
[19:15] <philyaw> wow thats cool
[19:15] <jwill-> Planetary_: And it doesn't reboot it?
[19:15] <jwill-> philyaw: What's the output?
[19:16] <jwill-> philyaw: That's autocomplete, btw.
[19:16] <Daskreech> Planetary_: ssh is a way to login to the computer remotely. If X is frozen you can still login and fix things
[19:16] <Daskreech> !tab
[19:16] <Planetary_> jwill-: i have never done that
[19:16] <Planetary_> Daskreech: ah thats new to me
[19:16] <philyaw> jwill, it listed everything that started with "air"
[19:16] <Daskreech> Daughain: tftp <ipaddress>
[19:16] <Daskreech> tftp 192.168.2.2 I think
[19:16] <jwill-> philyaw: Is one of them something like aircrack (like with a version number on the end or something) ?
[19:17] <philyaw> jwill, yeah i'm in the terminal-based version i guess
[19:17] <Daughain> Daskreech: Apparently I just have the server installed, let me install the client.
[19:18] <jwill-> philyaw: I think it's a cli-only program: http://www.aircrack-ng.org/screenshots.html
[19:18] <Daskreech> Daughain: nooo
[19:18] <Daskreech> Daughain: ftp 192.186.2.2
[19:18] <Guest14072> Daskreech: so if I go back to the live cd and enter the following commands in the terminal http://paste.ubuntu.com/354635/, with sdc7 my /root partition where ubuntu 9.10 is installed, this will install grub2 to this mysterious place?  What about my /boot partition on sdc6?  Won't these commands just configure grun2 to work with my root ubuntu partition rather than my /boot partition?
[19:18] <Daughain> Daskreech: Good thing ya was quick, I almost ad the spt-get typed in. =)
[19:19] <Daughain> Daskreech: Here's the important output from the attempt;  tftp: command not found
[19:19] <Daskreech> Guest14072: replace the boot files with the partition that you need. If the kernel is in the /boot on /dev/sdc6 then use /dev/sdc6
[19:19] <jwill-> philyaw: I sure hope you just forgot your wireless key or something :S
[19:20] <philyaw> jwill, of course.. why else would you want it
[19:20] <Daskreech> Guest14072: again the "mysterious place" is the boot sector. A computer is stupid it doesn't know what to do so you can't put the instructions as to how to start something anywhere the computer doen't know where to look for it
[19:20] <Guest14072> Daskreech: in BOTH lines of the commands I gave, right?
[19:20] <jwill-> philyaw: lol
[19:20] <Planetary_> so when it freezes i cant do anything, mouse is stuck. i push the power button and it turns right off.
[19:21] <Daskreech> So the computer looks only in one place for the instructions on how to start the OS and if the nstructions are not there it gives up
[19:21] <jwill-> Planetary_: Have you tried alt + system requirements + REISUB?
[19:21] <Daskreech> That section is the boot sector
[19:21] <jwill-> Planetary_: Or CTRL + ALT + F1
[19:21] <Daskreech> Guest14072: Yes
[19:21] <Planetary_> jwill-: at the install menu? or when it freezes?
[19:22] <Daskreech> Planetary_: There are other options. Want me to walk you through one now?
[19:22] <Guest14072> Daskreech: and linux refers to this place as /mnt?
[19:22] <Planetary_> Daskreech: that would be awesome!
[19:22] <jwill-> Planetary_: When it freezes.  REISUB will restart the system gently.  If it's still accepting keyboard input.
[19:22] <jwill-> Planetary_: It's a kernel-level shortcut, so should work almost always.
[19:22] <Daskreech> Guest14072: no it doesn't refer to it at all
[19:22] <Daskreech> The BIOS refers to it
[19:23] <Daughain> Daskreech: ftp;no route to host
[19:23] <Daskreech> and then it tells the BIOS where /boot is
[19:23] <Daskreech> Daughain: ha
[19:23] <Planetary_> jwill- I do control alt f1 to get to terminal or how?
[19:24] <Daughain> Well, I *did* say tftpd.
[19:24] <Daskreech> Daughain: netstat -an | grep *.69
[19:24] <jwill-> Planetary_: Yes.  To get to virtual terminal number 1.  The X server (graphical desktop and stuff) is at virtual terminal 7, so do CTRL + ALT + F7 to get back to it.
[19:24] <Daughain> Daskreech:  That almost sounds kinky.
[19:24] <Daskreech> Daughain: your brain dude not mine
[19:24] <Daughain> LOL
[19:24] <Daughain> WHat brain?????
[19:24] <Daskreech> I can't give you a fix for that one
[19:25]  * Daskreech hugs Mamarok
[19:25] <Daskreech> Curse
[19:25] <Guest14072> Daskreech: so BIOS is /mnt?
[19:26] <Daughain> Daskreech: IN ftp or term?
[19:26] <Daskreech> Guest14072: no you are on a live CD /mnt and /media is the hard drive of the computer
[19:26] <Daskreech> Daughain: type bye to close ftp
[19:26] <Daskreech> do it in term
[19:27] <Daughain> Daskreech: Already ran it in both.
[19:27] <Planetary_> jwill-: okay, so when im there type reisub, then...
[19:27] <jwill-> Guest14072: The BIOS is on its own flash chip.  It's not on the HDD anywhere.
[19:27] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Nothing happens in term.
[19:27] <Daskreech> Daughain: ah hmm ok
[19:27] <Daskreech> seems inetd isn't listening for ftp
[19:28] <jwill-> Planetary_: Um, I was just saying you could do that to restart your computer instead of the power button.  It's less bad for it.
[19:28] <Daughain> Daskreech: I know that sound, and it is never a god one, =)I usualy make it before trying to explain why someone needs to tear thier engine down.
[19:28] <Planetary_> jwill-: i see
[19:28] <jwill-> Planetary_: To reboot, hold alt and the System Requirements key (usually same as print screen), then press REISUB in sequence.
[19:29] <jwill-> Planetary_: as in, press and release R, then E, then I, etc.
[19:29] <Planetary_> jwill-: got ya!
[19:29] <jwill-> Planetary_: I think Daskreech had something for you to do that might fix it?
[19:29] <Daskreech> Daughain: can I see your tftpd-ha config file?
[19:29] <shazzoo> daskreech: did you get around to looking at my x problem?
[19:30] <Daughain> Thought I posted that already...????
[19:30] <Daskreech> Planetary_: B will reboot your computer but it's safer than hitting power
[19:30] <Daskreech> REIUS syncs your files and shuts down your hard drive so you don't lose data
[19:30] <shazzoo> can i just paste back the content of my home folder after doing a reinstall?
[19:31] <Planetary_> Daskreech: okay
[19:31] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Here it is....;  RUN_DAEMON="yes"
[19:31] <Daughain> OPTIONS="-l -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
[19:31] <Daskreech> shazzoo: I had asked if that was your .xsession-errors file. Doesn't look a lot like it
[19:31] <Daskreech> Daughain: My browser died
[19:31] <shazzoo> but it is ..
[19:31] <Daskreech> Daughain: ok
[19:31] <Daughain> no worries, two whole lies
[19:31] <jwill-> Daskreech: It's only safer if you do REISU first (unmounts drives, finishes writes, etc...)
[19:31] <shazzoo> :S
[19:31] <Daughain> lines, even.
[19:31] <jwill-> Planetary_: Don't do just B!
[19:32] <Planetary_> jwill-: so REISU ?
[19:32] <jwill-> Planetary_: You can remember REISUB as being BUSIER backwards.  No, do REISUB, with B last.
[19:32] <Daskreech> Planetary_: ok if you freeze up try to press alt+ctrl+F1 and get to a terminal. You can see what is using up your CPU there with top
[19:32] <Daskreech> Or RAM
[19:32] <Daskreech> You can try and kill it and then use alt+Ctrl+F7 to come back to the GUI
[19:32] <Planetary_> yep i use top
[19:33] <Daskreech> If you can't see anything obvious then you can try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[19:33] <Daskreech> That will kill X and start it back but you will lose any unsaved files in an editor. YOu can save them from the command line but one step at a time
[19:33] <Daughain> jwill-:  I *like* my antique karamba theme sysmon. :P
[19:34] <Daskreech> That at least is much faster then rebooting and waiting for the whole computer to come up
[19:34] <jwill-> Daskreech: ?  okay?
[19:34] <Guest14072> Daskreech: okay I've just executed the commands I gave you with sdc6 and the live cd sounds pissed off.  It gave me 3 errors.  1) it is telling me I'm attempting to install grub to the partition and not the MBR (I assume being this boot sector you speak of) and is telling me in caps that this is a bad idea.  2) it then tells me "Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists.
[19:34] <Guest14072>  However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and its use is discouraged"  I have no idea what this error means, unless it is referring to my file system which is formatted as ext2 instead of ext3 on the /boot partition (for /root it is formatted as ext3).  3)  it says it can't read /grub/core.img correctly.   Should I ignore these errors and proceed?
[19:34] <Daskreech> shazzoo: it's looking for a set of files can you run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[19:34] <Daskreech> jwill-: Hmm ?
[19:35] <Daskreech> Guest14072: do you have a /grub ?
[19:35] <Daskreech> not /boot/grub but /grub
[19:36] <Guest14072> Daskreech: the directory grub.  are you asking if I have this directory on my /boot partition?
[19:36] <intruder_> Guest14072: on the contrary
[19:36] <shazzoo> just a sec, i will try
[19:36] <intruder_> hes asking if you got it on /
[19:37] <Daskreech> Guest14072: You said the error states /grub/core.img I'm just checking if it really meant /grub
[19:37] <Daskreech> is there a /grub directory or is there only /boot/grub ?
[19:39] <giullpain> sera a tutti
[19:39] <Daskreech> jwill-: what's the ok ? for?
[19:39] <Daskreech> !it
[19:40] <Daskreech> Guest14072: MBR is indeed the boot sector MBR means the Master Boot Record
[19:40] <jwill-> Daskreech: Oops, wrong Da* person :S.  Meant to send that to Daughain, and I'm used to just typing Da<tab>.
[19:40] <giullpain> excuse
[19:40] <Guest14072> Daskreech: the 3rd error states "error: Cannot read '/grub/core.img' correctly".  Are you asking if the /grub directory exists somewhere, either on my root partition or the live cd?
[19:41] <Daskreech> The second error is because you are installing to /boot instead of the MBR so to get the system to boot it will find whatever is currently making the system boot in the MBR and ask it to use a list of other possible blocks which includes /boot. However of course the boot manager in the MBR can simply ignore it so it's unreliable
[19:41] <Guest2308> how do i deleet a file thats too big to fit it the trash bin?
[19:41] <Daughain> jwill-: I usualy use the first 3 letters.. =)
[19:42] <Daskreech> Guest14072: on your root partition. Grub normally treats /boot as if it was / but I would like to ensure that is correct
[19:42] <jwill-> Daughain: Good practise.  So what did you mean by: "<Daughain> jwill-:  I *like* my antique karamba theme sysmon. :P", anyways?
[19:43] <Daughain> jwill-:  You were the one who said I would rue the day trying to get it installed and working. That was easy, this is a b***h.
[19:43] <Daughain> And I enjyed that one. =)
[19:43] <jwill-> Daughain: Oh, right.  One day, Daughain, one day.
[19:43]  * Daskreech votes that jwill- take over getting tftp to answer a ftp call while he goes to eat
[19:43]  * Daughain chuckles.
[19:43] <jwill-> lol
[19:44]  * jwill- hide
[19:44] <jwill-> s
[19:44] <Proxima> how much is fedora?
[19:44] <Guest2308> how do i deleet a file thats too big to fit it the trash bin?
[19:44] <jwill-> Proxima: About 42.
[19:44] <Daughain> jwill-:  I am....The day I listend to you about this bootin method. =)
[19:44] <Daskreech> jwill-: Near as I can tell he has tftp installed but I can't see if inetd is listening for a boot call. and he's not logging anythign
[19:44] <Daskreech> Proxima: Fedora is free and Free
[19:45] <Daskreech> Guest14072: rm
[19:45] <Planetary_> ok so how do i solve my freeze problem
[19:45] <jwill-> Guest14072: You might have to enable the delete option.  I thought it just asked you to completely delete stuff that's too big for trash.
[19:45] <Daskreech> Guest14072: Or shift+delete
[19:45] <Proxima> how can i get it
[19:45] <Daughain> Daskreech: jwill- Thats it in a nutshell. Bootp works fine, tftpd doesnt even seem to start.
[19:45] <Guest2308> thnx
[19:45] <Daskreech> Proxima: #fedora-kde
[19:45] <jwill-> Daskreech: I don't know anything about that.  I've only used ssh for direct commandline access to the server by using a detached screen session.
[19:46] <Daughain> jwill-: Everything for tftpd is set to log, but, no log, which is why I dont even think it is starting.
[19:46] <jwill-> Proxima: Download it from the fedora website.  But, uhh.  This is kinda #kubuntu.
[19:47] <jwill-> Daughain: Explain what tftp is?
[19:47] <Daskreech> Daughain is a self proclaimed newb who isn't a first tier computer user and is tackling it :)
[19:47] <Daughain> Something just occurs to me.....Do I need a line in the bootp start wrapper to tell tftpd that it needs to do something?
[19:47] <Daskreech> Daughain: shouldn't I think that's inetd's job
[19:47] <peppino> starting from today my amsn is not able to connect .... I dont know how to see
[19:47] <Daskreech> Daughain: You setup the PXE boot options?
[19:48] <Daughain> OK, lemme take a look at that conf again.
[19:48] <Daughain> Daskreech: What are those?
[19:48] <Daskreech> Well yeah I guess if it's making the call to the bootp server
[19:48] <Proxima> Give me the website please
[19:48] <Daughain> Proxima: Get what?
[19:48] <Daughain> kde?
[19:49] <Guest14072> Daskreech: on my /root partition, the /boot folder is blank as it should be.  I checked my mounted /boot partition, sdc6, which I've mounted to /mnt with those previous commands, and in there is the /grub directory with core.img inside.  So what's going on?
[19:49] <Daughain> Or fedora?
[19:49] <Daskreech> Daughain: the dhcpd.conf
[19:49] <Daskreech> Daughain: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/install-tftp.html
[19:49] <Daskreech> PXE boot section
[19:49] <jwill-> Proxima: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fedora
[19:49] <Daskreech> peppino: Probably a MSN server upgrade
[19:49] <Daskreech>  try kmess?
[19:49] <Proxima> Thanks
[19:49] <Daughain> Lmme see if thats one I;ve read already..
[19:49] <jwill-> Proxima: Alternatively, http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/
[19:50] <peppino> Daskreech: i've tried with WLM and it works
[19:50] <Proxima> Mhm
[19:50] <Daskreech> jwill-: errm language
[19:50] <Daskreech> lmgtfy.com will do fine
[19:50] <jwill-> Daskreech: It's an url :D
[19:51] <Daskreech> With nicer alternatives
[19:51] <Daughain> Daskreech:  I;ve seen this page....NOW I might even be able to understand it. =)
[19:51] <jwill-> Yeah, sorry.
[19:51] <Planetary_> so any idea why my computer is freezing. it takes a while to freeze
[19:51] <jwill-> Planetary_: Could be a lot of things.  Should look at some logs, I guess?
[19:51] <xixor> so, should I install beagle?
[19:52] <Daskreech> peppino: Kmess works here
[19:52] <jwill-> xixor: No.
[19:52] <xixor> !beagle
[19:52] <Daskreech> Planetary_: There can be a whole set of reasons but the two most likely are the X video card driver and some kernel driver
[19:52] <jwill-> !strigi
[19:52] <xixor> jwill-: any recommendations?
[19:53] <jwill-> xixor: Strigi.  It's the KDE solution for that, and is already installed.
[19:53] <Daughain> Daskreech:  I mentioned this earlier..The only dhcp I have is client.
[19:53] <Daskreech> Planetary_: in any other circumstance the mouse would likely not freeze
[19:53] <peppino> Daskreech: i know but kmess does not have video and audio call
[19:53] <jwill-> xixor: Though kubuntu broke some packages.  You need to fix it.
[19:53] <Daughain> When I tried to install dhcp server, the start failed.
[19:53] <Daskreech> Daughain: ok where is it getting dhcp from?
[19:53] <Planetary_> Daskreech: thats what i think. its an ati card
[19:53] <xixor> jwill-: sounds like par for the course for *buntu
[19:54] <jwill-> xixor: Just kubuntu.  They like breaking kde stuff in packaging.
[19:54] <jwill-> xixor: Good news is you can fix it in two or three commands.
[19:54] <jwill-> xixor: let me google that for you
[19:55] <Daughain> Daskreech: Ok, I found a dhcpd.conf
[19:55] <jwill-> xixor: Do this: http://digitizor.com/2009/10/14/how-to-start-nepomukstrigi-and-fix-the-strigi-service-failed-to-initialize-most-likely-due-to-an-installation-problem-problem-in-kubuntu-9-10kde4-3/
[19:55] <shadeslayer_> xixor: KDE 4.4 or 4.3.4?
[19:55] <Daughain> Yeah, this part confused me and where I was at about 2 hours ago.
[19:56] <xixor> Great, thanks.  4.3.2 it says in about:kde
[19:56] <jwill-> xixor: sudo aptitude install soprano-backend-sesame
[19:56] <shadeslayer_> xixor: ah.. have fun then :)
[19:56] <peppino> Daskreech: I tried kmess just now and it has the same problem.....impossibile to connect server
[19:56] <xixor> shadeslayer_: should I upgrade to 4.34?
[19:57] <jwill-> xixor: And edit ~/.kde/share/config/nepomukserverrc .  Look for the line that says Backend=redland, and change redland to sesame2.
[19:57] <jwill-> xixor: Should work after that.  And yes, you should upgrade.  But you still need to do this.
[19:58] <xixor> ok, great, thanks for all the help on that
[19:58] <Guest14072> Daskreech: by the way I wasn't the Guest2308 asking to delete something
[19:58] <jwill-> xixor: Blame kubuntu, not kde. :D
[19:58] <Guest2308> fixed thanks
[19:58] <Guest2308> :)
[19:58] <shadeslayer_> xixor: i think you should upgrade to 4.4 :P
[19:59] <jwill-> xixor: Don't.  It's just in RC now.
[19:59] <jwill-> Do it if you want to, but shadeslayer_, you shouldn't be telling new people to upgrade to an unstable release.
[20:00] <shadeslayer_> jwill-: i thought everyone knows its RC... look at the topiv
[20:00] <shadeslayer_> *topic
[20:01] <shadeslayer_> also the PPA says Beta... so no one who wants a unstable KDE would add the PPA in the first place
[20:01] <xixor> ah, ok
[20:01] <jwill-> shadeslayer_: People completely new to linux wouldn't know what RC meant.  It should be a matter of policy to not tell new users to install unstable versions of stuff.
[20:01] <jwill-> shadeslayer_: ...but I think I'm going to install 4.4 now :D
[20:01] <shadeslayer_> :)
[20:02] <xixor> jwill-: I will keep with 4.3.2, or whatever 9.10 uses by default.  I've been a linux user for about 13 years now, and have been burned too many times installing the development builds or the latest and greatest packages
[20:02] <shadeslayer_> its pretty awesome with nepomuk back up again
[20:03] <jwill-> xixor: That's 9 years longer than me :D... sorry, best to assume people in support channels are new.
[20:03] <jwill-> shadeslayer_: I'm running nepomuk on 4.3.4 in kubuntu 9.10.  You just need to do a few things to un-break it.
[20:03] <fujimitsu> there is a factoid about making assumptions
[20:03] <xixor> jwill-: Dont' worry, I still can be pretty useless with linux at times
[20:03] <shadeslayer_> jwill-: well 4.4 was missing the complete virtuoso backend package :P
[20:04] <jwill-> fujimitsu: What isn't there a factoid about?  Really?
[20:04] <xixor> jwill-: I have given up on trying to be a sysadmin/power user, just want to get my work done now.  When I was younger I didn't mind spending my evenings hacking .rc files or re-compiling kernels.  Now, if it doesn't work, I will give up and just try it again in 6 months when people others have fixed everything
[20:05] <fujimitsu> ubuntu folk tend to be creative about factoids, yes
[20:05]  * shadeslayer_ wonders if the last factoid he suggested was accepted
[20:05] <jwill-> xixor: I know the feeling.  Used to spend ages messing around with stuff, now I just want it to work without too much mucking about.
[20:06] <Guest14072> when I use the following commands in grub http://paste.ubuntu.com/354657/, for root=/dev/sdcX, should I refer to where my boot partition is (sdc6) or my root partition where ubuntu is installed (sdc7)?
[20:07] <Daskreech> back again
[20:08] <Daskreech> peppino: what version of kmess?
[20:08] <jwill-> Daskreech: See Guest14072's last message.  Don't know the answer :S
[20:08] <peppino> Daskreech: the one in the repo
[20:09] <peppino> Daskreech: 2.0
[20:09] <Daskreech> xixor: the server that nepomuk relies on had an update that broke quite a few things. The new version is in version control and works but has not been officialy released. We are waitingon the word go to go
[20:09] <jwill-> shadeslayer_: From kubuntu.org "For both Lucid and Karmic, virtuoso packages are available. Install both the virtuoso-server and virtuoso-driver packages to enable Nepomuk support."
[20:09] <Guest14072> by the way is there a perminant effect when I use those commands?
[20:10] <jwill-> Guest14072: Yes.
[20:10] <Guest14072> shit
[20:10] <shadeslayer_> jwill-: yeah they just built them in the RC,not in the Beta versions
[20:10] <Daskreech> Planetary_: try #phoronix they have a lot of ATI experience
[20:10] <jwill-> shadeslayer_: So they do work and whatnot?  I'm upgrading right now so...
[20:10] <Daskreech> Daughain: Any better now?
[20:11] <Daskreech> Guest14072: Sorry :(
[20:11] <Guest14072> jwill-: can I switch between sdc6 and sdc7 if I want to?
[20:11] <shadeslayer_> jwill-: they do
[20:11] <jwill-> KPackageKit just called aptitude a "legacy package manager"!  Grrrr....
[20:11] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Nope.
[20:11] <Guest14072> jwill-: like reuse the same command, but change the number at the end, will that overwirte the previous command
[20:12] <Planetary_> Daskreech: thanks
[20:12] <fujimitsu> Guest14072: i belive you want sdc6 since /boot is in that one.  are you using grub2?
[20:12] <Guest14072> fujimitsu: yes, grub2
[20:12] <jwill-> shadeslayer_: Cool, thanks.
[20:12] <fujimitsu> can you boot into recovery mode?
[20:13] <Daskreech> shadeslayer_: Follw up the factoid
[20:13] <Guest14072> fujimitsu: you mean the grub-rescue prompt?  Why would I want to?
[20:13] <shadeslayer_> Daskreech: eh? i just tried !ext3toext4 but it didnt work... its the one i submitted
[20:14] <Guest14072> Daskreech: by the way I got out of the grub-rescue prompt and I'm back at the normal grub command prompt
[20:14] <fujimitsu> if you drop to a shell you can do  update-grub   and it should fix itself
[20:14] <fujimitsu> without manual configuration as you are trying to do
[20:14] <Daskreech> Guest14072: For root= means /
[20:14] <Daskreech> It's looking for the /etc directory to find fstab to tell where everything is
[20:15] <fujimitsu> Guest14072:  am talking about root shell. not the grub prompt.
[20:15] <soee_> anyone knows how to turn off the white shadow around letters in the infoboxes (the ones poppingout when u hover ivon or shortcut)>
[20:15] <Daskreech> jwill-: it's not got buttons what do you expect?
[20:15] <jwill-> Daskreech: What doesn't have buttons, and what did I expect?
[20:16] <jansen> ls $KDEDIR/share/apps/konversation/scripts
[20:16] <Daskreech> shadeslayer_: what's wrong with !ext4 ?
[20:16] <Daughain> Daskreech:   Http://pastebin.ca/1745923
[20:16] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Most recent log file.
[20:16] <Daskreech> Guest14072: Yes if you rerun it with a new parameter it will overrun the last one
[20:17] <Guest14072> Daskreech: and I should use sdc6 like fujimitsu recommends, not sdc7?
[20:17] <Daskreech> jwill-: Legacy package manager :-D
[20:17] <shadeslayer_> Daskreech: theres no !ext4 too
[20:17] <jwill-> Daskreech: Lol.  aptitude is awesome.
[20:17]  * jwill- installed KDE 4.4.
[20:18] <Daskreech> Guest14072: Where it says root= you want / whichis sdc7 from what I remember
[20:18] <Daskreech> shadeslayer_: submit a !et and followup
[20:18] <Daskreech> !ext4
[20:19] <fujimitsu> what he said..
[20:19] <Guest14072> Daskreech: so it wants to know where I installed ubuntu, basically?
[20:19] <Daskreech> Daughain: whooot logs :)
[20:20] <shadeslayer_> kinda busy... ive been trying to study for the past hour and now i *really* need to stop IRC'ing :P
[20:20] <fujimitsu> anyhow, my first course of action on a faulty grub is to drop to root shell via recovery mode and do  update-grub
[20:20] <Daskreech>  /kick shadeslayer_
[20:20] <Daughain> Daskreech: I have a good idea what it wrong, jst no clue how to go about fixing it, usualy.
[20:20] <shadeslayer_> Daskreech: nah... i have a _ to show im away,but i just cant keep my hands away
[20:20] <Daskreech> Guest14072: It wants to know where /etc/fstab is
[20:20] <jwill-> Awesome, plasma crashes on login.
[20:20] <Daskreech> Guest14072: Which is on /
[20:20] <Daughain> Daskreech: I aso understand not tking the 'customers' word for anything. =)
[20:21] <Guest14072> fujimitsu: do you mean the root shell in ubuntu, or the grub-resuce prompt?  Because I was in the grub-rescue prompt and couldn't do a thing
[20:21] <shadeslayer_> jwill-: its supposed to ;P
[20:21] <Daskreech> Daughain: Bless you
[20:21] <shadeslayer_> jwill-: its a RC :D
[20:21] <jwill-> shadeslayer_: I hate you now.
[20:21] <shadeslayer_> jwill-: oh,simple fix : press alt+F2 and type : plasma-desktop
[20:21] <Daughain> Daskreech: I'm a mechanic. In america *every* male knows how to fix cars.
[20:22] <jwill-> shadeslayer_: Crashes again, dude.
[20:22] <Daughain> Specially in the south.
[20:22] <Daskreech> ha ha I know two males that would buck that trend
[20:22] <Daskreech> jwill-: did you back up ~/.kde ?
[20:22] <shadeslayer_> jwill-: last error on a konsole with that command
[20:22] <jwill-> Daughain: I know nothing about cars.  But then I'm Canadian.
[20:22] <shadeslayer_> Daskreech: know what im talking about?
[20:22] <shadeslayer_> (just cant keep my hands away :P )
[20:22] <jwill-> plasma-desktop(2160): Communication problem with  "plasma-desktop" , it probably crashed.
[20:22] <jwill-> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
[20:22] <jwill-> Gee, plasma probably crashed?  Y'think?
[20:23] <Daughain> jwill-: LOL, come down to Tn, and ask any male on the street, I'll bet whatever ya want, 4 out of 5 will be willing to either fix it for you, or show you how. =)
[20:23] <fujimitsu> Guest14072: do you have more than one operating system installed?
[20:23] <shadeslayer_> jwill-: ah.. ok do this,reboot the PC,and if nothing works, mn .kde .kde_old
[20:23] <shadeslayer_> *mv
[20:23] <jwill-> Why did I install 4.4?  Whhhhhhhhy?  Ever time I install an RC, this happens, but I never learn.
[20:23] <Daughain> jwill-:  And usually screw it up in the process.
[20:23] <aelyson> ola
[20:23] <jwill-> shadeslayer_: I didn't back it up.  And I already rebooted.
[20:23] <Daskreech> Daughain: do you have a /etc/init.d/xinetd ?
[20:24] <shadeslayer_> jwill-: its just a problem of the configs...
[20:24] <Guest14072> Daskreech: fujimitsu: so I'm going to use the commands http://paste.ubuntu.com/354657/, which will get me to ubuntu where I can type sudo update-grub, which will make the grub boot menu that I can pick my multiple OSs from, which are ubuntu, kbuntu, and WinXP, right?
[20:24] <shadeslayer_> jwill-: oh no problem... just back it up now
[20:24] <Daskreech> jwill-: it's RPC it can't know
[20:24] <aelyson> existe algem do brasil ai
[20:24] <fujimitsu> Guest14072: yes, do that and see if it fixes it
[20:24] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Nope.
[20:24] <Daskreech> !br
[20:25] <Daskreech> aelyson: ^^^
[20:25] <shadeslayer_> thats it i quit :P
[20:25] <jwill-> shadeslayer_: It's backed up now
[20:25] <jwill-> Awwwwwww
[20:25] <Daskreech> yay
[20:25] <Daskreech> now he can pass exams
[20:26] <jwill-> Exams were last month :S
[20:27] <Daskreech> Or whatever :)
[20:27] <jwill-> Hmm, I've got a bunch of updates that were kept back.  Perhaps everything will work after I get those installed.
[20:29] <Daskreech> jwill-: Oh I always back up ~/.kde and do two dist-upgrades when jumping to a new KDE X.X+1
[20:29] <jwill-> I can't install the new version of klipper.  See output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/354667/
[20:29] <Daskreech> Saves a lot of cursing
[20:29] <jwill-> And it's holding back a bunch of upgrades.  This is the source of my power.
[20:29] <jwill-> err, I mean problem
[20:30] <Daskreech> Castle Greyskull?
[20:30] <Daskreech> Oh wait :-P
[20:31] <APERSON> jwill-, so you're having that problem too?  I tried installing 4.4, but got the same thing
[20:31] <jwill-> APERSON: With klipper?
[20:32] <jwill-> I blame kubuntu packaging.
[20:32] <APERSON> Communication problem with  "plasma-desktop"
[20:33] <SamWeasley> Hello! I'm with some problem on a Intel HDA audio and skype.
[20:33] <Guest14072> Daskreech: fujimitsu: alright, I sudo update-grub in ubuntu, rebooted, and now I'm back at the normal grub prompt, still with no OS menu, so there's something wrong with that grub.cfg file then?
[20:33] <Daskreech> Guest14072: maybe. Does grub say what version it is in the menu?
[20:34] <Guest14072> Daskreech: it says it's version 1.97~beta4
[20:34] <Daskreech> Guest14072: Ok thats grub2
[20:34] <SamWeasley> Skype and other programs don't capture anything. KMixer, though, has mic and capture marked
[20:34] <Daskreech> so that works.
[20:35] <jwill-> " trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/kconf_update/klipper-kconfigxt.upd', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-data 4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic1"
[20:35] <SamWeasley> also I'm with much noise if I give volume o mic boost and/or capture
[20:35] <Guest14072> Daskreech: but I've got to mess with that grub.cfg file to make it work, right?
[20:36] <Guest14072> Daskreech: making it work as in showing me the multiple OSs at start up and letting me select which one to use
[20:36] <Daskreech> Guest14072: no you are just missing the OS entries?
[20:37] <Daskreech> sudo os-prober && sudo update-grub
[20:37] <Guest14072> Daskreech: it looks like it if I'm not seeing that menu
[20:37] <Guest14072> Daskreech: I should use that command in ubuntu, not the grub-prompt, right?
[20:38] <Daskreech> Guest14072: Right
[20:38] <Daskreech> and if you are on the live cd that should be done in a chroot
[20:39] <fujimitsu> Guest14072: channel #grub might offer better help on your issue
[20:39] <jwill-> Removing klipper, then reinstall kubuntu-desktop seems to have fixed it.
[20:40] <Himmler> does anybody can help me? i just upgrade to kde 4.4 rc1 and after reboot there's no plasma desktop.
[20:40] <Daughain> Daskreech: Ok, you do realize I am guessing the whole way through trying to figure this out, right? If ya tire of messin with it,m lemme know, and I'll understand.
[20:41] <jwill-> Himmler: Hey, I just fixed the same problem
[20:41] <jwill-> Himmler: Run sudo aptitude upgrade && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade and tell me if there are any errors near the end
[20:41] <jwill-> Himmler: Anything like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/354667/
[20:42] <jwill-> Himmler: I'll brb, restarting to see if I fixed it.
[20:42] <smellynosery> Is there a way of turning off the "Devices recently plugged in" popup
[20:42] <smellynosery> It's driving me crazy
[20:44] <Guest14072> Daskreech: so I used "sudo os-prober && sudo update-grub", should I just reboot and see if it works now?
[20:45] <Daskreech> Daughain: I know but some of this stuff should just work. tftp is being blocked by something it should be listening for 69 and it's not so need to figure that out
[20:45] <jwill-> Himmler: I'm back, did you get anything?
[20:45] <Daughain> Daskreech: http://pastebin.ca/1745969  Thats my dhcpd.conf as it is currently configured. Otherwise known as my best guess.
[20:45] <Himmler> jwill-: please wait a sec :)
[20:46] <Daskreech> smellynosery: Remover the device notifer and it magically stops notifying you :)
[20:46] <Daskreech> Guest14072: That's the idea Did it find anythign in the output?
[20:46] <Himmler> jwill-: i pastebin the output. wait m8
[20:46] <Daughain> Daskreech: I run the netstat command, and all it does is give me the next command line.
[20:47] <Daughain> Daskreech:  And ya been messin with ot for hours, as well as bein swamped by everyone else. =)
[20:47] <Guest14072> Daskreech: yeah it found my OSs and even the memtest and looked like it was just dandy, but I just rebooted and I'm back at the grub-prompt and still with no OS menu.  This wouldn't have anything to do with those 3 errors I told you about before?
[20:47] <Himmler> jwill-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/354672/
[20:48] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Wasnt a bitch or complaint, just a statement that U fully agree with. =)
[20:48] <Daughain> U==I.
[20:48] <Daskreech> Guest14072: well the last one possibly but the others should be solved I think
[20:48] <jwill-> Himmler: Did I say upgrade for the first one?  I meant update
[20:48] <Himmler> jwill-: yes :) ok ill try
[20:48] <jwill-> Himmler: But it looks like it's not a package issue like I had.
[20:48] <jwill-> Himmler: Don't bother.
[20:49] <Guest14072> Daskreech: so you think it still is having problems seeing that core.img?
[20:50] <Himmler> jwill-: i run plasma-desktop and now the plasma appears. but i will reboot one more time to make sure its permanently appear.
[20:50] <Himmler> brb
[20:51] <Daskreech> Guest14072: I'm not sure what it's seeing but if it found your os and wrote them to the menu file then you should be able to see them in the menu. What happens if you simply don't do anything? does it boot?
[20:51] <soee> guys is there any dvdplayer for kde that u can reccomand ?
[20:51] <jwill-> soee: VLC.  QT, not KDE, but best one there is.
[20:52] <soee> jwill-: ok thanx
[20:52] <jwill-> Could I fit more acronyms into that sentence?
[20:52] <Himmler> jwill-: after reboot plasma desktop is gone again
[20:53] <jwill-> Himmler: Open konsole (using alt+f2)
[20:53] <Guest14072> Daskreech: you mean restart the computer?  It goes to the grub-prompt, straight to the grub-prompt.  If I want to go to ubuntu I have to use those linux, initrd, and boot commands. There is NO OS menu to select and OS from.
[20:53] <jwill-> Himmler: and run plasma-dekstop in konsole
[20:54] <Himmler> jwill-: i try that but it's gone after reboot :)
[20:55] <jwill-> Himmler: Oh, I see.  So it works when you manually start it, but crashes at start?
[20:55] <Himmler> jwill-: correct
[20:56] <titan_ark> Hello everyone :)
[20:56] <Daskreech> Guest14072: Oh wow hmm that's bad. Does it show an error before the grub command ?
[20:56] <Daskreech> hi titan_ark
[20:57] <Guest14072> Daskreech: not at the prompt no
[20:57] <jwill-> Himmler: You could just put plasma-desktop in ~/.kde/Autostart, I guess.  Just a workaround, though.
[20:57] <jwill-> Himmler: I don't know what's causing it to crash at start.
[20:57] <Guest14072> Daskreech: are you sure when I use sudo update-grub it is updating with the /boot partition in mind, and NOT the /root partition even though there is nothing in the /root partition's boot folder?
[20:58] <Daskreech> Daughain: netstat -l -u | grep ftp
[20:58] <Daskreech> Guest14072: You have a /boot in / ?
[20:59] <Daskreech> Guest14072: when you did the chroot you mounted /dev/sdc6 to /boot ?
[20:59] <Guest14072> Daskreech: last time I checked there was but it was blank, it was only in the boot partition that the boot folder had grub and a whole bunch of other stuff in it
[21:00] <Daughain> Daskreech: Output:  udp        0      0 *:tftp                  *:*
[21:00] <Daskreech> Guest14072: right since it should mount to /boot
[21:00] <Daskreech> Daughain: Whoot :)
[21:00] <Daughain> lol.=)
[21:00] <smellynosery> Is it possible to disable usb-storage, but only for 3g modems and not actual external harddrives?
[21:01] <Guest14072> Daskreech: YES, so when I sudo update-grub ubuntu isn't going off and making it's on boot folder with grub, right?  It's using my boot partition only, right?
[21:02] <Daskreech> Daughain: Want to try teh tftp client ?
[21:02] <Daughain> Daskreech: Now if only I knew wat that meant. =)
[21:02] <Daskreech> Guest14072: Should be
[21:02] <Daughain> Daskreech: As in straight ftp? Or as in the install again?
[21:03] <Daskreech> is there a /boot/grub.d/30_os_prober file ?
[21:03] <Daskreech> Daughain: install the tftp client
[21:03] <Daughain> Reinstall?
[21:03] <Guest14072> Daskreech: so I'm just having a grub.cfg problem?  I just need to make sure it can see the grub.cfg made with sudo update-grub?
[21:03] <Daskreech> Daughain: You uninstalled it?
[21:04] <Daughain> Daskreech:  No, no route to host on ftp <IP>
[21:04] <Daskreech> Guest14072: I'm thinking that's the problem. #grub should be able to help you at this point
[21:04] <Daskreech> Daughain: tftp loclahost
[21:04] <Daskreech> localhost
[21:04] <Daughain> Daskreech:  I've been up for about 31 hours right now, and I started working on this before jwill-  went ot bed last night......Brains a little.....soft right now.
[21:05] <Daskreech> Daughain: Sleeeeeeeeep
[21:05] <Daughain> tftp is still an invalid command.
[21:05] <Daskreech> Daughain: one of the fun things with smashing yourself agaisnt some obscure linux problem is you come out with more understanding at the other side
[21:05] <jwill-> And a lot less sanity
[21:06] <Daughain> Daskreech:  WHy ya thin I am still here.=)
[21:06] <Daughain> jwill-:  That implies there was sanity to lose, which all of my freinds will disagree with.
[21:06] <Daskreech> Daughain: Sudo apt-get install tftp
[21:06] <luckystroke> jwill-: i'm now on #kde i let you know if they can solve this problem
[21:07] <Daughain> NOt time for bed, I can still tyupe one handed...
[21:07] <Daughain> And girl promised pork chops.
[21:07] <titan_ark> Hey any idea on how I can check what is my microphone device, i want to br able to use it right and get the right settings in alsa
[21:07] <titan_ark> I somehow managed to get either of them work, but its quite noisy.
[21:08] <Daskreech> crimsun: ping on microphone question
[21:08] <titan_ark> DAughain: good for you
[21:08] <crimsun> Daskreech: contentless pong
[21:08] <jwill-> Is there a simple kde app to test microphone function?
[21:11] <Daskreech> Daughain: try sudo apt-get install tftp && tftp localhost and if that doesn't work then bed
[21:11] <Daughain> Oh, forgot to check the status of the install. =)
[21:11] <Daughain> Daskreech:  tftp installed.
[21:12] <Daughain> Daskreech: Is the second package tftp-localhost?
[21:13] <qwertz> hi, is it somehow possible to make strigi index pdf or odf full text?
[21:13] <luckystroke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/354684/
[21:15] <Whiz2> hi, i have a friend who ordered kubuntu 8.10 release CD online. When she went to install it, she got the message "I/O error. error reading boot CD" the only option she has is to reboot, then she gets the same error again.
[21:17] <rstob911> how can i boot kubuntu in a video specific mode
[21:19] <Daskreech> Daughain: no
[21:19] <Daskreech> just the command tftp localhost
[21:19] <Daskreech> so you can tftp into yourself
[21:20] <Daughain> Daskreech:  Yeah, I tried that, it didnt work.
[21:20] <Daughain> Nor did anyb other logical extension.
[21:20] <jwill-> That sounds kinda odd.
[21:20] <Daskreech> Daughain: ok bed then
[21:21] <Daughain> Last time I tried that, I got connection refused.
[21:21]  * Daughain this we are talking aboput two different things here.
[21:21] <Daughain> This==thinks.
[21:21] <paulsomebody> I have problem with transparency in GTK applications in Kubuntu, it looks just like that. http://imagebin.ca/view/Z_Exgj.html A little of research gave me nothing. Any help?
[21:22] <paulsomebody> GPU is Nvidia, proprietary driver is at place, version is latest.
[21:22] <Daughain> Command line for tftp, waiting on an IP, is my guess, Daskreech
[21:22] <Daughain> Definitely waiting on input.
[21:23] <Daskreech> Daughain: oh you get a command line?
[21:23] <jwill-> paulsomebody: Firefox bug?
[21:23] <Daskreech> but with connection refused?
[21:23] <paulsomebody> jwill-: That's idea, but then it's specific for Kubuntu.
[21:23] <jwill-> paulsomebody: Cool firefox theme, btw.
[21:24] <Daughain> Before I installed ftpt, I got connection refused usinf ftp localhost, after install of tftp, I get a tftp prompt, and it waits for further input. That help, Daskreech ?
[21:24] <jwill-> paulsomebody: Yeah.  Maybe it depends on compiz or something?
[21:24] <paulsomebody> jwill-: Strata40 and 'No border' setting.
[21:25] <jwill-> paulsomebody: Too bad I'm using chrome :S
[21:25] <paulsomebody> jwill-: I have already found this bug's page in 'getsatisfacion'.
[21:25] <jwill-> paulsomebody: Nice.  Link?
[21:25] <Daskreech> Daughain: Oh ok we seem to be good then
[21:25] <paulsomebody> jwill-: http://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla/topics/no_transparency_with_ubiquity
[21:25] <Daskreech> I think you may need the tftp client
[21:26] <Daughain> Daskreech: Close out tftp then?
[21:26] <Daughain> das I just installed that.
[21:26] <Daskreech> try transfer a file?
[21:26] <Daughain> Didnt ?
[21:26] <Daughain> To what IP?
[21:26] <Daskreech> your IP
[21:27] <paulsomebody> jwill-: Oops. Reported 9 months ago. What are dissapointance.
[21:27] <jwill-> paulsomebody: So it's not a theme thing?
[21:28] <jwill-> paulsomebody: I thought the transparency for ubiquity was done interally in firefox.  Don't see why KDE would screw it up.
[21:28] <paulsomebody> jwill-: I don't know really. That needs to checked out, thanks for the idea.
[21:29] <paulsomebody> jwill-: Author of the theme didn't done testing under GNU/Linux, I should have known that,
[21:29] <Daughain> WOuld help if I had any clue of the command structure.....
[21:29] <jwill-> paulsomebody: If it is a problem with the theme, you should mention it to the author somehow.
[21:29] <lordganesh> does anybody how to remove startup programs such as kmix
[21:30] <paulsomebody> lordganesh: What is the need for?
[21:30] <Daughain> OK, found man page.
[21:30] <jwill-> lordganesh: Have you saved your session before?  If so, you'll have to remove it from the system settings module for that.
[21:30] <lordganesh> paulsomebody: i want to remove kmail from startup
[21:30] <paulsomebody> jwill-: Too bad, it stays with default theme.
[21:31] <Whiz2> hi, i have a friend who ordered kubuntu 8.10 release CD online. When she went to install it, she got the message "I/O error. error reading boot CD" the only option she has is to reboot, then she gets the same error again.
[21:31] <paulsomebody> lordganesh: Check "Autoload' thing in the 'System Settings'.
[21:31] <paulsomebody> lordganesh: Also is propbable to be found in Kmail settings.
[21:31] <Izinucs> What do I need to install to get the system to recognize and possibly control my camcorder with DV output? Is there a specific library?
[21:33] <lordganesh> paulsomebody: i have checked everything .. but still kmail starts
[21:33] <Daskreech> Daughain: oh sorry get will pull a file and put will put up a file
[21:33] <paulsomebody> jwill-: Then O dpn't know.
[21:34] <Daskreech> I think the files in /var/lib/tftpdboo have to have 666 permissions
[21:34] <paulsomebody> jwill-: Sorry, don't know.
[21:34] <Daughain> Ya, done reading the man. =) Waiting for it to do something right now. I just dont know if the exact port makes a difference.
[21:34] <Daskreech> Izinucs: recognize ou should just plug it in. Control Umm Kamoso ?
[21:35] <paulsomebody> jwill: Bad, downgrading Ubquity don't solve that problem.
[21:36] <jwill> paulsomebody: Curiouser and curiouser.
[21:36] <Daskreech> Daughain: Check if the permissions on the files in /var/lib/tftpdboot are 666
[21:36] <paulsomebody> jwill: More and more hopeless? :-)
[21:36] <lordganesh> paulsomebody: is there any conf file that shows startup programs
[21:37] <Daughain> Leme make an edit, Daskreech
[21:37] <paulsomebody> lordganesh: It shouldn't use any text config files.
[21:37] <Daughain> No numerics on the file I am trying to transfer.
[21:37] <Daskreech> Daughain: what are the permissions?
[21:37] <Daskreech>  should be -rw-rw-rw
[21:38] <Izinucs> Daskreech: yes.. dmsg report that it's recognized.. never tried Kamoso.. installing kdenlives now to see what kind of shape that program is in..
[21:38] <Daughain> Daskreech: Depends on the file I am trying to transfer, or, are those the permissions needed for me to get the file?
[21:38] <paulsomebody> jwill: I think I'll report a bug.
[21:39] <jwill> paulsomebody: Firefox or Kubuntu or KDE?
[21:39] <Daskreech> Daughain: I read somewhere they are needed to get the file
[21:39] <paulsomebody> jwill: Ubiquity of course.
[21:39] <Daskreech> I have no idea why that would be true though
[21:40] <Daughain> Daskreech: Makes sense....Oh, file needs to be open and available to anyone, no matter who they are before you can copy them. Makes sdense to me, now I need to find or make one with those permissions.
[21:40] <Izinucs> Daskreech: kdenlive reports that it needs FFmpeg & ffplay, dvgrab, dvdauthor & mkisofs for a number of things.. It didn't install automatically so maybe they are not available on 64bit but I'll look.
[21:41] <Daughain> Daskreech: SImilar to the way you need to set visible/writable/available permissions for samba shares.
[21:41] <jwill> paulsomebody: That's the problem with bugs like this... I bet it'll just be marked as a KDE bug.  And KDE will call it a Kubuntu bug, who will call it a firefox bug... etc
[21:41] <Daughain> Same conceot.
[21:43] <Daughain> Daskreech: Well, its doing something now. =)
[21:44] <paulsomebody> jwill: Then I'll report it just everywhere. 'Make applications that works with other applications' someone said.
[21:44] <Daughain> Daskreech: Transfer details:  getting from 192.168.2.5:/home/documents/Christopher_Kauffman_Resume.doc to Christopher_Kauffman_Resume.doc [netascii]
[21:44] <Daughain> ^[[B^[[B^[[B^[[B^[[B^[[B^[[B^[[B^[[BTransfer timed out.
[21:44] <paulsomebody> jwill: And I have just found an exellent addon — Taskfox. It could replace it for a while.
[21:46] <Daughain> Daskreech: Binary also timed out....Though, I have to admit, I'm not sire of the pathname.....Whats the path for home/documents?
[21:47] <Whiz2> hi, i have a friend who ordered kubuntu 8.10 release CD online. When she went to install it, she got the message "I/O error. error reading boot CD" the only option she has is to reboot, then she gets the same error again.
[21:47] <Daskreech> Daughain: Documents
[21:48] <Daskreech> needs a capital D
[21:48] <jwill> Whiz2: Sounds like a scratched or corrupt disk.  Download 9.10, the latest version, and burn it.
[21:48] <Daughain> Daskreech: /Home/Documents/<file>?
[21:49] <Daskreech> /home/username/Documents/file
[21:49] <Whiz2> jwill: yeah I figured as much. She doesn't have access to the internet so I will let her know she needs to try ordering the newest version online. thanks.
[21:49] <jwill> Whiz2: If you paid for it, you could ask for a replacement disc
[21:49] <Daughain> WOnt let me cap my own name, but it gets picky about *its* names. :P
[21:49] <Daughain> Still timing out.
[21:50] <Daughain> Oh....
[21:50] <jwill> Whiz2: That sure sucks.  Without internet, she would probably need some repository cds as well.
[21:50] <Daughain> Daskreech: Lemme try again...
[21:51] <jwill> Whiz2: Actually, without internet, you don't get updates.  So you'd be better off with a LTS release, since they update the disc every 6 months.  Other releases don't have any bugfixesm so aren't that stable, really.
[21:52] <Whiz2> jwill: I'm not the one that ordered it. she had another friend order it for her, so I'm not in control of what she gets lol
[21:53] <jwill> Whiz2: Well, good luck.  On the other hand, I guess she doesn't have to worry about the security updates that are missing...
[21:53] <Whiz2> jwill: haha very true!
[21:53] <Daughain> Daskreech: No love on a transfer.
[21:54] <Daughain> Daskreech:  abd netstat -an | grep *.69 still gives nothing either.
[21:56] <Daskreech> Daughain: OK
[21:57] <Daughain> Daskreech: ftp myself gets 'connection refused'
[21:58] <Daskreech> tftp localhost doesn't ?
[21:58] <Daughain> ftp <IP> doesnt.
[21:58] <Daughain> tftp localhost only runs tftp.
[21:59] <Daskreech> It doens't connect ?
[21:59] <Daskreech> tftp 192.168.2.2. ?
[22:00] <Daughain> No, initial tftp command simply runs tftpclient. Once into tftp, you then need to either set the IP ti connect ti with the connect command, or you can use get/put and it will default to the last IP specified by the connect command.
[22:00] <Daughain> 192.168.2.2 is a computer that is turned off. =) Thats the client system. My local is 192.168.2.5
[22:00] <Daughain> And, I;ve tried it.
[22:01] <Daughain> With and without a port designationm.
[22:01] <Daughain> Well......Lemme try with a port again....I had the pathname wrong before.
[22:03] <Daughain> Definitely doesnt like it with a spec'd port number.
[22:03] <Daskreech> Why are you passing it a path?
[22:04] <heroid> hey guys please help me i have  Problems mounting a nokia 6233 phone with cable  My brothers phone's memory card gets mounted in gNewSense but not in ubuntu 9.04 nor in 9.10 any help, it shows up in lsusb as Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0421:0492 Nokia Mobile Phones
[22:07] <craftyquack> does anybody know how install KDE4.4 RC
[22:08] <Daughain> Daskreech: Nope, no matter what connection times out.
[22:18] <harolddong> anybody else using the RC with the virtuoso  backend have a problem with their tags not showing up?
[22:19] <Daughain> Daskreech:  I was trying different formats to se if one would work, since I really dont know how flexible this app is.
[22:22] <Daughain> OK......I'm takin a break, Daskreech , I;ll be back in a bit, if ya still around.
[22:33] <peppino> iss it possible to generate a .deb package starting from a compiling one
[22:33] <paulsomebody> I cannot configure semantic search, when I run 'System Settings > Advanced > Desktop Search' dialogue window closes immidiately.
[22:33] <paulsomebody> Any ideas?
[22:38] <paulsomebody> All but 'dev' packages matching search 'strigi' are installed.
[22:43] <paulsomebody> Anyone alive here?
[22:43] <maco> nobody here but us chickens
[22:45] <paulsomebody> Chickens?
[22:45] <Bonster> yummy
[22:45] <crimsun> yuck.
[22:45]  * maco agrees with crimsun
[22:45] <paulsomebody> Corporative humour I don't understand?
[22:45] <Ev0luti0n_> hello folks
[22:45] <maco> i think its a very old joke
[22:46] <maco> i dont know its origins
[22:46] <maco> crimsun: you're old. where's that phrase come from?
[22:46]  * maco ducks
[22:46] <paulsomebody> Although I didn't get it, maybe you would help me?
[22:46] <maco> ive never actually used that ... lemme try it
[22:47] <crimsun> maco: I think you're forgetting that in my ancestors' culture, old is not a sign of being decrepit but rather of being venerated.
[22:47]  * paulsomebody lets maco try it.
[22:47] <maco> crimsun: hmm fair point
[22:47] <maco> crimsun: so old man...?
[22:47] <crimsun> maco: how is that different?
[22:48] <maco> paulsomebody: i should hit the "enable nepomuk semantic desktop" checkbox?
[22:48] <maco> crimsun: well do you know where it comes from?
[22:48] <paulsomebody> maco: Yes. But I can't launch this dialogue, it crashes.
[22:48] <crimsun> maco: why are you asking me when you can just as easily google it?
[22:48] <maco> um nothing happens when i click that checkbox
[22:49] <paulsomebody> maco: Check both?
[22:49] <maco> (its apparently song lyrics)
[22:49] <maco> strigi service failed to initialize.... umm... im not sure i even have strigi installed
[22:51] <paulsomebody> Install if you want to try?
[22:51] <Riddell> paulsomebody: you need virtuoso installed
[22:52] <Riddell> paulsomebody: which is in my PPA in launchpad.net/~jr or in the beta PPA along with KDE SC 4.4 release candidate  launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa
[22:52] <Daughain> oK, thats better.,.
[22:53] <paulsomebody> Riddell: Is KDE SC 4.4 okay enough to be used everyday?
[22:53] <paulsomebody> Riddell: And would I have any lib version conflicts if I install that?
[22:54] <Riddell> paulsomebody: it's an RC, fine for geeks, maybe not for normal sorts
[22:54] <Riddell> there shouldn't be any version conflicts if you install KDE SC 4.4 RC
[22:55] <paulsomebody> Riddell: Geeks? I am quite unsure if I am the one.
[22:55] <Daughain> Well, now *thats* interestingf.
[22:56] <Riddell> paulsomebody: you're on IRC, this could well be a clue :)
[22:56]  * paulsomebody gone installing.
[22:57] <maco> haha
[22:57] <maco> Riddell: you know, i didnt get around to it, but i was planning on teaching mum to use irc during the holidays so she could join me in #ubuntu-women and #linuxchix
[22:58] <crimsun> you could skype/empathy with her
[22:58] <crimsun> at least I *think* skype has screen-sharing
[22:59] <paulsomebody> crimsun: I am quite sure Windows version have. But I don't know about GNU/Linux one.
[23:00] <maco> she just has pidgin
[23:00] <crimsun> julio__: did you configure the multimedia priorities correctly (PA topmost)?
[23:00] <maco> it is configured with me onher buddy list, but i forget her screenname now
[23:00] <maco> (well, and i have quassel client on there, and i was going to teach her using xchat-gnome)
[23:01] <julio__> wait a second
[23:01] <julio__> i set it so many times
[23:03] <crimsun> julio__: please don't send me private messages.
[23:03] <julio__> ow sorry!!
[23:03] <crimsun> julio__: my client will block them, and I will not receive them.
[23:03] <julio__> i'm don't know how it works
[23:03] <julio__> ok!!
[23:04] <crimsun> julio__: your top-most needs to be PulseAudio, not HDA Intel (whatever)
[23:04] <julio__> ok!!
[23:04] <julio__> i'm setting
[23:04] <paulsomebody> Riddell: Well, I have thought for a while… I have 35 Firefox extensions installed, maybe I could put RC in a good use too.
[23:04] <julio__> ok! is in the TOP
[23:05] <crimsun> julio__: now, do you actually have pulseaudio installed, and is it running?
[23:06] <julio__> is installed, how can i know if it's running?
[23:06] <julio__> ps command?
[23:07] <julio__> it's running, i think
[23:08] <crimsun> e.g., pgrep pulse
[23:08] <julio__> out=2203
[23:08] <julio__> it's running
[23:09] <julio__> 2213
[23:09] <Bonster> anyone no how to get thumbnail previews of videos in dolphin?
[23:11] <Daughain> system settings, as I recall.
[23:12] <crimsun> julio__: and pactl stat?
[23:12] <julio__> I'm a IRC beginner too, sorry if i doing something wrong
[23:12] <julio__> pactl stat?
[23:12] <flootenkerp> Hi, I want to change my ubuntu splash screen to this http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Azenis+Usplash?content=111188 can anybody help me?
[23:17] <julio__> crimsun: do you want a "pactl stat" output?
[23:19] <jwill> !usplash
[23:19] <jwill> flootenkerp: ^^
[23:19] <flootenkerp> Alright, thanks.
[23:19] <julio__> crimsun: Currently in use: 1 blocks containing 64.0 KiB bytes total.
[23:20] <julio__> crimsun: Server Version: 0.9.19
[23:20] <julio__> crimsun: Default Sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo
[23:21] <julio__> crimsun: Default Source: alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo
[23:21] <titan_ark> hey, talking about skype and audio, etc, I am facing trouble getting my microphone settings right, too much noise in what I speak.
[23:21] <crimsun> julio__: and what is the volume set to?  Use amixer -c0, and use pastebin please
[23:27] <julio__> ok
[23:34] <julio__> crimsun: how pastebin works?
[23:34] <julio__> i never use that
[23:35] <Kage> julio__: google "pastebin"
[23:35] <anakinz> anyone can help me get my grub working again?? I have installd win7 on my computer after 9.10...
[23:37] <julio__> http://pastebin.com/d398c2cb1
[23:37] <julio__> crimsun: is it
[23:39] <anakinz> I am running the live cd right now but can´t restore the grub for some reason..
[23:41] <julio__> ???
[23:42] <petrsss> How to change user in LINUX?    I can not write in /var/www2 directory!!! That I created now!
[23:43] <petrsss> this
[23:43] <petrsss> petr@ubuntu:/var/www2$ ls -la
[23:43] <petrsss> итого 8
[23:43] <petrsss> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2010-01-11 02:21 .
[23:43] <petrsss> drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 2010-01-11 02:21 ..
[23:43] <FloodBotK1> petrsss: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:43] <petrsss> petr@ubuntu:/var/www2$ > 1
[23:43] <petrsss> bash: 1: Permission denied
[23:43] <petrsss> petr@ubuntu:/var/www2$
[23:43] <FloodBotK1> petrsss: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:43] <petrsss> people
[23:44] <paulsomebody> petrsss: Don't flood, if anyone knows they will help.
[23:45] <petrsss> petr@ubuntu:/var/www2$ sudo > 1.txt
[23:45] <petrsss> bash: 1.txt: Permission denied
[23:45] <paulsomebody> petrsss: Run as root?
[23:46] <paulsomebody> petrsss: 'sudo'?
[23:46] <petrsss> as petr
[23:46] <petrsss> I login like petr
[23:46] <petrsss> petr@ubuntu:/var/www2$ whoami
[23:46] <petrsss> petr
[23:47] <petrsss> magical things
[23:47] <petrsss> I can not write in MY directory
[23:47] <petrsss> I create directory and I can not write in one
[23:48] <paulsomebody> petrsss: Are you owner? What permissions do it have?
[23:48] <petrsss> petr@ubuntu:/var/www2$ ls -la
[23:48] <julio__> crimsun: do you have the solution?
[23:48] <petrsss> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 2010-01-11 02:21 www2
[23:49] <paulsomebody> petrsss: Owner is root, you need to become an owner.
[23:49] <paulsomebody> petrsss: In case to write to this directory.
[23:50] <petrsss> I created this directory "sudo mkdir www2"
[23:50] <petrsss> I am owner!
[23:50] <paulsomebody> petrsss: According to what you output was owner is root, not your user.
[23:50] <petrsss> I can not create when I was as petr --- and I create as sudo
[23:51] <petrsss> OK   I know password of root!
[23:51] <petrsss> what do I showld to do
[23:51] <petrsss> u
[23:51] <paulsomebody> petrsss: Are you in KDE now?
[23:52] <petrsss> may be
[23:52] <petrsss> kubuntu use KDE?
[23:52] <paulsomebody> petrsss: May be?
[23:52] <paulsomebody> petrsss: Yes.
[23:52] <petrsss> so yes
[23:52] <paulsomebody> petrsss: Press 'Alt + F2', type there 'konsole'.
[23:52] <titan_ark> wont using su in terminal prompt you for root password in terminal?
[23:52] <petrsss> I did
[23:53] <petrsss> ok
[23:53] <paulsomebody> titan_ark: It would.
[23:53] <petrsss> paulsomebody OK
[23:53] <petrsss> I am ready
[23:53] <paulsomebody> petrsss: Type there 'su root' and then enter your root password.
[23:53] <maco> WAIT
[23:53] <paulsomebody> petrsss: When you would be promted to.
[23:53] <maco> "su root -"
[23:53] <julio__> crimsun: i put on http://pastebin.com/d398c2cb1
[23:54] <paulsomebody> maco: What is that dash are up to?
[23:54] <petrsss> It does not work!!!
[23:54] <maco> paulsomebody: uses root's environment instead of your own user's
[23:54] <maco> ubuntu doesnt have a root password by default though
[23:54] <petrsss> !!
[23:54] <maco> petrsss: did you set a root password, or are you referring to your sudo password?
[23:54] <petrsss> maco  !
[23:55] <paulsomebody> petrsss: He is absolutely right, type 'su root -'.
[23:55] <petrsss> I have "petr" user   and I have password
[23:55] <maco> ok then you want "sudo -i"
[23:55] <maco> paulsomebody: hi i'm a she :)
[23:55] <petrsss> when I write sudo *****   I write password of petr   in all is fine
[23:55] <paulsomebody> maco: Okay.
[23:55] <titan_ark> hmmm i faced this issue too, had to then set a root passwd and then access it
[23:56] <paulsomebody> maco: You know that IRC thing, you could never be sure.
[23:56] <petrsss> petr@ubuntu:/var/www2$ sudo -i
[23:56] <petrsss> [sudo] password for petr:
[23:56] <maco> yeah
[23:56] <petrsss> root@ubuntu:~#
[23:56] <paulsomebody> petrsss: Okay, now type 'dolphin'.
[23:56] <paulsomebody> petrsss: And hit enter key.
[23:57] <petrsss> what id -i ???
[23:57] <maco> "sudo -i" enters a root shell with root's environment
[23:57] <maco> "sudo -s" enters a root shell without changing to root's environment
[23:57] <petrsss> ok
[23:57] <paulsomebody> petrsss: In the Dolphin select your directory, right click on it and select your user as owner.
[23:57] <petrsss> root@ubuntu:/var/www2# > 1.txt
[23:58] <petrsss> root@ubuntu:/var/www2# ls
[23:58] <petrsss> 1.txt
[23:58] <petrsss> OK! ))
[23:58] <FloodBotK1> petrsss: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:58] <paulsomebody> petrsss: Now log out and login as user, root is potentially dangerous thing.