[00:00] must be that new ibus thingy [00:02] what is that anyway? [00:03] duffydack, I presume that you never had a problem with burning in Win7? [00:03] WeatherGod: Hey, and with a nick like that can you get us about 10c warmer and get rid of the damn snow? [00:03] penguin42, beats me [00:03] WeatherGod, nope [00:03] I wish [00:03] I got a solid piece of ice outside my door.... [00:03] duffydack: Is it a SATA or PATA drive? [00:04] I feel bad for the pizza delivery guy... [00:04] I think sata... [00:04] penguin42, its a laptop.. with sata hd [00:04] you said it is a new laptop, right? [00:04] WeatherGod, yes.. very new [00:04] I doubt it is pata [00:04] i7 quad core [00:05] duffydack: Ah i7 laptop - nice; so on my i7 desktop there's an option whether SATA is in compatibility mode or not - I made it not [00:05] the bios setting available is AHCI and something else. [00:05] yeh leave it in AHCI I think [00:05] yeah, I was told to [00:05] WeatherGod, mind doing something about the -13 degrees Celsius weather in Pennsylvania? I'm wearing a jacket indoors it's so cold... :( [00:06] it's good to have someone to blame for the entire worlds weather [00:06] 1gig ati radeon 4650 [00:06] heh, I remember Pennsylvania Winters... [00:06] and a writer that now works [00:06] duffydack: That's pleasently sick for a laptop :-) [00:07] penguin42, it was a steal... [00:07] wait, 1 gig video memory? [00:07] damn [00:07] I am behind [00:07] penguin42, down from 1200 to 778 [00:07] for a week or 2 [00:07] $778 ?! [00:07] £ [00:08] heck I just paid about 700 GBP for my i7 desktop [00:08] 1gig 4650, 4gig ram, i7, 500gig 7200rpm, 17" HD [00:08] I had my eye on the lesser studio as well [00:08] then this came along, and I was like WT& WT& [00:08] duffydack: Out of interest, how big is the pci bar for the video - I've got the 512MB 4350 and the BAR is only 256MB - this apparently isn't unusual [00:08] was too nice to ignore.... [00:09] penguin42, ok... tell me more [00:09] still get separate me from my Eee [00:09] s/get/can't/ [00:09] penguin42, you mean, is it 128bit or not? [00:10] duffydack: No, the amount of memory visible to the host [00:10] WeatherGod: Radeon pCI-e card with 512MB RAM was 25GBP - it's nuts! [00:10] penguin42, oh./ well mine sees all 1024 [00:10] how do you know? [00:11] ATI CC says so [00:11] oh the X server and kernel say it's 512 - and I think X can use it internally, but the PCI bar is only 256 [00:12] tell me a command to show it.. and i`ll paste it [00:12] hmm [00:13] duffydack: Do an lspci -v scroll through to find the ATI and you'll see a line like: Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] [00:14] 4650 in a laptop? where was that? [00:14] * penguin42 sees it in the UK Dell store for 770GBP [00:15] which model? and what screen size? [00:15] DanaG: Looks like it's one of teh Dell Studio 17's [00:15] ah. [00:16] http://pastebin.com/f4a7c9aa5 [00:16] yeah.// size 25 [00:16] 256*/ [00:17] hmm curious, it is the same - someone said it was actually a limitation of PCI [00:17] well, the CCC sees all of it [00:17] yeh [00:17] maybe its a limitation of Xorg [00:18] it's interesting that they've done the same thing as on the ASRock mb I've got, and they've used a Realtek ether even though there appears to be a version of the chipset available with intel gige on [00:18] cuz, I cant install ubuntu even without using safe gfx mode [00:18] i know newer kernel/xorg supports it now, but it dont in 9.10 [00:19] duffydack: Yeh I've been pleasently surprised - I'm running bleeding edge X but the 3d with that works nicely [00:24] I`m running games fine.. it will do me fine... [00:25] duffydack: Anyway, nice machine - enjoy [00:26] duffydack: I decided to get a desktop this time round, i7-860, 8GB RAM 512MB 4350 [00:26] duffydack: Oh and a 1TB 7200 RPM drive [00:27] and when are you going to need 8GB of RAM? [00:27] WeatherGod: make -j is very pretty :-) [00:27] ? [00:27] parallel compilation [00:27] hehe [00:28] penguin42, I`m just used to laptops... my last one was inspiron 9100, 9800 radeon..7 yrs ago :) [00:28] So, yes, it will last me a decade :) [00:28] well, I got 1GB of RAM and I have to share that with my video... [00:29] and that's the way I likes it, dag-nab-it! [00:29] WeatherGod: I bought it and then a friend pointed out how RAM had been so much cheaper a few months back :-( [00:30] heh [00:40] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/4:4.3.90-0ubuntu2 [00:40] this has been noticed, right? :) [00:40] build failed almost everywhere [00:40] but in 22 hours, no -0ubuntu3 has popped up [00:41] well, now it has been noticed... [00:42] due to mesa failure [00:43] * penguin42 finds it funny it manages to build for ARM [00:43] cuz arm has outdated mesa :P [00:43] isn't mesa and all them getting updated right now? [00:43] build failed: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/7.7-0ubuntu2/ [00:44] ouch [00:45] even on armel :P [00:45] yeah, anything that links against libGL will be busted until mesa is fixed [01:20] nouveau is failing on .32 kernel ubuntu 9.10 - http://i50.tinypic.com/28le5h0.png [01:20] if there anything i should be looking at to find out more info? [01:21] so, you are using .32 kernel on Karmic? [01:22] yes [01:22] it also doesnt build on the .31-18 [01:23] I am not certain that this is the correct channel for this bug [01:23] as this is more for Lucid work [01:23] although .32 is the lucid kernel [01:24] #nouveau told me they couldnt support ubuntu packages [01:24] should i try #ubuntu? [01:24] yes you should [01:24] #ubuntu is karmic, #ubuntu+1 is lucid [01:24] times are moving fast [01:25] hard to keep up [01:30] I just updated and now my laptop will not boot at all. Just a black screen. Any fixes? [01:30] Got a backtrace in Xorg. [01:30] Or am I back to my XP rescue discs [01:30] http://pastebin.com/f473d3950 [01:31] bookman, there is a problem with the X packages right now for Lucid [01:31] Apparently [01:31] it likely uninstalled them by accident [01:31] So back to XP? [01:32] no, just need to use Text mode to install them back [01:32] No command line either [01:32] Just black screen [01:32] aren't you using Lucid to help test [01:32] try Ctrl-Alt-F1 [01:32] or F2 [01:32] Nope, no good [01:32] that is Ctrl-Alt-F2 [01:32] Num Lock works [01:33] heh [01:33] have you tried ssh-ing into the machine? [01:33] No [01:34] if you know or can figure out your ip number, you can at least ping it [01:34] if you have another computer on the local network [01:34] I am trying now. I have to find its IP [01:34] if it pings back, then it is still working [01:35] The problem cannot be reported: [01:35] The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes. [01:35] Ok, I'm in [01:36] DanaG, you might have to file the bug through launchpad and upload the backtrace [01:36] Bookman, good, that is a good sign [01:37] WeatherGod, yes, not a total disaster [01:37] so, now you need to find your apt logs and see what got uninstalled [01:37] Hmm, though, since I'm not using the lucid X server, it might be a waste of their time -- Karmic X server on Lucid everything-else should well be unsupported. [01:37] WeatherGod, how do I find that? [01:37] http://pastebin.com/f2d314658 [01:37] DanaG, that is true, there might be some odd interactions happening [01:38] that's a different issue... PulseAudio crash. [01:38] Bookman, should be in /var/log [01:38] WeatherGod, yeah, I'm there [01:38] DanaG, which versions of PulseAudio and alsa are you using [01:39] Bookman, let me pull up mine to compare... [01:39] you want dpkg.log [01:39] alsa-base o [01:39] Version: 1.0.22.1+dfsg-0ubuntu2 [01:39] or maybe apt... [01:40] libasound2-plugins Version: 1.0.22-0ubuntu3 [01:40] DanaG, do cat /proc/asound/version [01:40] pulseaudio Version: 1:0.9.21-0ubuntu6 [01:40] WeatherGod, ok, I have history.log opened [01:40] asound is 1.0.21. [01:41] hmm, now kde says my battery is "not present". [01:41] Probably due to hal stoppage. [01:41] WeatherGod, here is the last change: http://pastebin.ca/1744852 [01:41] yeah, you probably have some weird interactions [01:42] Anyway, the ALSA thing has nothing to do with the Xorg thing... the pulseaudio assertion failure happened even on just Karmic. [01:42] Bookman, what does /var/log/apt/term.log say? [01:43] DanaG, meh probably true... I really am just a novice at this stuff [01:43] If only the open-source drivers didn't double my whole-system power consumption... I could use them. [01:44] WeatherGod, from today: http://pastebin.ca/1744854 [01:44] i added some scripts to rc.d, and im getting a inittab file not found error, how can i fix this? [01:45] how did you add them to rc.d? [01:45] there are proper ways to do that, and easy ways to do it wrong [01:45] well, i did have an error [01:46] Bookman, that is odd, I don't think you had the error that others had today [01:46] try doing an update now [01:46] ilumi, what sort of error? [01:46] i did update-rc.d stop-bootlogd start 99 2 , and i think it was compaining about 99 [01:46] heh, random thing about ATI: they're not the only ones with window-resize lag. [01:47] WeatherGod, working..... [01:47] It happens on nvidia binaries with a GF6200 IGP system I've tried it on, too. [01:47] Bookman, do keep an eye to make sure that it doesn't try to uninstall a bunch of stuff [01:47] WeatherGod, sudo apt-get update, correct? [01:47] do apt-get safe-update or something like that for right now [01:48] hmmmmmmmmmmm [01:48] update installs nothing [01:49] brb [01:49] ah, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade installs a ton [01:50] Me thinks that last update did not complete [01:53] Ok, I'm going to try a reboot now. [01:54] ok [01:55] i get a inittab file not found on boot, how can i fix this [01:55] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/7.7-0ubuntu3 [01:55] built and accepted [01:55] oh, right [01:55] Sjors, yay! [01:56] ilumi, could you try installing the file again [01:56] build starts on amd64 in 2 hours [01:56] WeatherGod: but that file wasnt anywhere in the system to start with [01:57] but, how did you install your file? [01:57] WeatherGod: i didnt , i just told rc to run bootlog script [01:58] ok, I think you might need to reinstall that, then [01:58] rc.d or init.d whatever the proper name is [01:59] package-wise, that it [01:59] it is likely that the config settings got messed up and it was moved to someplace else and can't find it [01:59] WeatherGod, perfect. Now it reboots. [02:00] Bookman, how did you get to Lucid in the first place? [02:00] Excellent advice. Re install from remote via ssh. I will remember [02:00] seems like you came from Karmic or something? [02:00] WeatherGod, Not re install. re-update [02:01] weather yes, from 9.10 [02:01] did you simply change your distro name in your sources file? [02:01] hey. was here earlier, someone mentioned a fglrx fix .. ? [02:02] WeatherGod, are you talking to me? No, I upgraded and it was working fine until an hour ago. [02:02] Bookman, yes, I am just wondering how you upgraded [02:02] i was working fine until yesterday update [02:03] greenlynx, I know some people were talking about stuff like that earlier, but I don't know the details about it [02:04] didn't think it applied to my scene, but now maybe a help [02:04] WeatherGod, update-manager -d if I remember correctly [02:04] ah, ok... that is the correct way to do it, i think [02:05] I have been using ISO builds and running off of USB keys [02:05] WeatherGod, I'm on a wireless connection and updating is a 50-50 prospect at best. [02:05] that way, I have my original system if something goes wrong [02:06] greenlynx, I am sure you can find the logs for today if you want to read through them [02:06] I'm on a spare laptop and it really doesn't matter if it works or not. Just trying things out and reporting back. [02:06] so, what's with the "Back to XP" comments [02:06] i am likely closer in the forums at this point. thx [02:06] they just make me sad [02:07] WeatherGod, that is my fallback [02:07] heh, my fall back would be Karmic [02:07] WeatherGod, if all else fails, I drop back to factory and proceed from there [02:07] my fall back is hardy [02:08] heh [02:08] Once 10.04 is out that will be my fall back. [02:08] my 10.04 crashed yesterday ;-| [02:08] I don't have a LTS to fall back on [02:08] looking forward to is being solid [02:09] *it [02:09] greenlynx, all my machines are waiting! [02:09] that's what we are here for, right? :) [02:09] Bookman, ditto [02:09] WeatherGod, yup, and thanks. Appreciate the help! [02:10] np [02:10] i'll likely just hold everyhting there - not sure this old hardware will take much more .. [02:10] I'm up and running again just fine. [02:10] good to hear [02:10] greenlynx, how old? [02:10] I got an 8 year old machine that can [02:11] I started Ubuntu in between LTS versions. I want to get all my machines, with exception of this test laptop, to 10.04 and then only update upon a new LTS version. [02:11] Stability [02:11] i have karmic on an '02 dell, and "had" the alpha on this '06 HP, currently in my hardy partition [02:12] i really like hardy, very solid, evrything always works .. makes me happy [02:14] after my update yesterday my machine would not shut down, monitor would not go off, hard power off, today could only boot to low graphics - not sure where the trouble is .. [02:15] hmmm, does it go to the gdm login screen? [02:15] hmmmmmm, now no sound. [02:16] I mean, normal gdm screen [02:20] Bookman, at least you have a working system... [02:21] what do you get for "cat /proc/asound/version" [02:24] WeatherGod, yup, I'm happy. Now just troubleshooting remaining issues. Sound worked fine on last reboot today. Now no. Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.21. [02:27] ok, well at some point the alsa will get updated [02:28] I can wait. Minor annoyance. [02:28] I think 1.0.22 is targeted for Lucid [02:28] I know Daniel Chen is working on it right now [02:28] well, you can always grab the source and build it yourself and report any issues to him [02:29] also, they are working on getting a PPA up and running again with more frequent updates [02:29] no. no login screen. seems it cannot detect my monitor [02:29] greenlynx, that is odd... do you happen to have another monitor available? [02:30] no, just running basic laptop [02:30] also, have you tried doing Ctrl-Alt-F1? [02:30] seems in forums some conflict between fglrx and radeon drivers [02:31] well, yeah, they are working on updates for that right now [02:31] but i dont know anything about that. this is my first time testing, so all these fixes are a bit new to me [02:31] same here [02:31] but I am on an intel graphics card, so it is pretty stable [02:32] well, and ubuntu seems way ahead of other sistros. i've never had video issues before - last week i tried SUSE just to see, couldn't even get it insstalled, left me with a black screen twice from scratch. [02:34] did you try getting to a terminal? [02:34] the system should fail back to tty1 [02:36] i got some notes here, think i go try to really break things .. [02:37] that's always fun [02:45] hmm, audio works upon boot. No problem. I try a youtube video and nothing. [02:46] Bookman_, install kubuntu-restricted-extras and flashplugin-nonfree [02:47] But it worked earlier today [02:47] flash is installed [02:48] wait, sound worked earlier [02:48] WeatherGod, yes [02:48] and you haven't updated since? [02:48] WeatherGod, works on boot up [02:49] it sounds similar to an issue where users in Karmic had a modem service locking up PA [02:49] but I thought it was fixed by now [02:50] This all worked earlier today and yesterday [02:51] too bad I am on Lucid right now... I have notes about how to diagnose this for Karmic elsewhere [02:53] But I'm on Lucid [02:53] you could probably go over to Sound Preferences, and see what applications are doing sound [02:53] Maybe I misunderstood [02:53] right, but I don't remember commands very well, and there is a few wiki pages that had some nice instructions for what to do to help bug triagers [02:54] Yeah, I'm googling now but coming up empty [02:55] let me look for a second... [02:55] Bookman_: there is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems if it helps [02:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems/KarmicCaveats [02:55] heh [02:56] look for "Another Process Locking Sound Card" [03:06] WeatherGod, tried all that, no luck [03:10] well, they weren't fixes, they were diagnostics [03:10] so, what do you mean by "no luck" [03:15] WeatherGod, no luck=no sound [03:15] ok, but what was the output of the sudo fuser command? [03:15] it isn't likely to be the modem daemon to be causing the problem because that has been fixed [03:16] so, it might be something else [03:16] Maybe I missed something [03:16] something that hasn't been encountered before [03:16] fuser? [03:16] Oh [03:16] I see [03:16] keithclark@compaqr4000:~$ sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* /dev/seq* [03:16] [sudo] password for keithclark: [03:16] USER PID ACCESS COMMAND [03:16] /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: timidity 1520 F...m timidity [03:16] /dev/snd/seq: timidity 1520 F.... timidity [03:16] /dev/snd/timer: timidity 1520 f.... timidity [03:18] hmmm, timidity has been a known issue [03:18] it may be locking things up [03:18] Yes, but until today? I tried the fix on the wiki. No go [03:18] what you should do is reboot, and try sound again and this command again [03:18] the fix on the wiki isn't applicable [03:18] I have tried rebooting [03:19] and do you get any sound? [03:19] Nope [03:19] hmm [03:20] There is no need for multiple testers out there. This laptop will find all issues. Period. [03:20] heh, at the rate you are going, yeah [03:20] Always has been. [03:21] I should be hired to test [03:21] I would come back tomorrow and look for crimsun (or dtchen) and talk to him [03:21] he has been a sound developer for something like 10 years or something ridiculous like that [03:21] WeatherGod, I will try. Thanks for your help today though! You got me up and running. [03:21] I do what I can [03:22] All I need is a hint sometimes [03:22] that's what we are here for [03:22] I'm actually going to try KDE to see what happens. [03:24] Bookman, i'm unning kde 4.4 RC and it's working fine [03:25] er running [03:56] ugh, same crash in same place on button press. [03:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/277917 [03:57] Launchpad bug 277917 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "Buttonpress on XBox 360 Controller as evdev input causes Xorg to crash." [High,Invalid] [04:08] well. i got my low-graphics-mode problem sorted. but still wont shut down properly. i guess half fix is better than none [04:08] any suggestions about what do do about monito not sutting off during shutdown ..? === MTeck-ricer is now known as MTecknology [04:23] ugh... whatever they did to Nautilus... I don't like it. [04:23] The status bar doesn't go all the way across the window, for one. [04:23] That violates all sorts of UI guidelines. [04:30] how do I disable copy on select for text? [04:30] In KDE? [04:30] That's the only place I've seen that happen. [04:31] yup [04:31] it didn't used to exist [04:32] but somewhere in lucid things went south and this evil has come [04:34] ah found it [04:39] klipper. [04:40] random question: how the heck do you switch tabs in gedit, with keyboard? [04:40] ctrl-tab just flips around between toolbar buttons. [04:42] DanaG: alt-1..9 [04:42] ah, thanks. [05:27] (II) Interlink Bluetooth Calculator Keypad: Configuring as mouse [05:27] (II) Interlink Bluetooth Calculator Keypad: Configuring as keyboard [05:27] weird. === mendred_ is now known as mendred [07:10] where would be the best place to make suggestions? [07:13] has there been any changes to the indicator-applet in lucid yet? I think that's something that has to be addressed. It was a good idea, but it just doesn't work in practice. === puchat3k_ is now known as puchat3k [09:18] !info tracker [09:18] tracker (source: tracker): metadata database, indexer and search tool. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.95-1ubuntu3 (lucid), package size 466 kB, installed size 2972 kB [09:52] good morning from italy [11:07] !test [11:07] yes, I'm alive. [11:08] good to know! [11:44] hmm [11:45] building kdebase-workspace 4:4.3.90-0ubuntu3~daz1 myself now [11:45] -0ubuntu2 build failed, because of mesa, and wasn't restarted yet [11:48] what's the point of using IM if you don't notice the IMs until hours later? I hope they fix the IM indications for lucid. [12:13] XiXaQ: I guess then you get IRC :D [12:14] "if you don't notice the IMs until hours later" [12:19] but I don't keep a thousand windows open just in case any of my contacts should happen to send me an im now. In that case, the IM window would be marked as urgeant and I'd get notified by metacity. But that doesn't happen. The IMs are hidden from the user. It's annoying. [12:20] probably an ubuntu+1 bug, those will be fixed sometime [12:20] this is in karmic. I'm hoping it'll be fixed in +1. [12:21] oh :/ [12:21] well it's definitely a bug *in karmic* [12:21] so you should report it so it's fixed in karmic itself [12:22] it was designed that way. [12:22] o.o what? [12:22] yes, it's very annoying. But I know they're working on stuff like that for lucid, so I hope it'll be more visible then,. [12:23] yep, and please do bugreport if it turns out otherwise, of course you should receive notifications for IM's :/ [12:24] you do, but the notifications are hidden :) [12:24] :/? [12:24] hidden? [12:25] hehe, yes that sounds strange, doesn't it? When you get an email or an IM, or something else of that kind, then there is an envelope that changes color to a more dark tone. So you do get notified. However, I get mails every five minutes and IMs much less frequently. I don't read my mail every five minutes. [12:26] is it normal that all my KDE panels and background and such things are hidden/gone/missing in Lucid atm? known problem? :) [12:26] XiXaQ: right, but gnome has libnotify, right? [12:26] which, like Growl on mac, pops up small transparent popups in the right upper corner of the screen [12:27] yes, but then you have to watch the screen at the moment when you get the im, or have audio enabled. [12:27] right [12:27] when the envelope is dark, I always assume it's just an email to some list or other. I really can't click it every five minutes, it'd drive me insane. === seren is now known as seren__ [12:43] at lucid is there going to be a tool to upgrade gub-legacy to grub2 easily ? [12:43] lucid's release * === om26er__ is now known as om26er [15:07] howdy , I'm getting an Xserver segmentation fault after updating last night , i got the same prob on this laptop,but after upgrading the prob went away , not so with my desktop amd 64 bit version...any ideas? [15:09] the TTY is available on the amd 64 , just no kdm [15:09] any backtrace in /var/log/X0rg.0.log ? [15:11]