[00:00] is that the factoid list? [00:00] humphreybc: no don't think so [00:00] no, that's the loaded plugins [00:00] ah ha [00:01] humphreybc: I thought you were older, but seems your a university student? [00:01] yeah i'm 19 [00:01] I study software engineering [00:01] oh ok [00:01] so like programming, code writing and there is an element of commerce to my degree which is ridiculous but oh well [00:01] why are you doing an economics assignment then? [00:01] ^^ [00:02] ah, it's not like one of those silly american degrees where you don't specialise for 15000 year [00:02] s [00:02] I have to do 120 points of commerce papers (each paper worth 18) because my degree is "applied science" - ie, aimed at entrepreneurial startups in the IT industry [00:02] I've already done a java paper, probably doing python and some more java this year. But i'm mainly doing commerce for this year which sucks [00:03] :( [00:03] you done much coding before? [00:03] but I realised I can't do any more on my assignment till I walk into uni later... and it's pouring down with rain. So i'm pestering my friend to come round and show me her work! [00:03] not realy a big deal now, but maybe #ubuntu-manual-offtopic or whatever it would be called, would be a good idea as well [00:03] I did HTML, CSS and PHP in school [00:04] :( PHP [00:04] sebsebseb: nah we don't have enough traffic in here for that [00:04] oh and MYSQL [00:04] mainly web design stuff [00:04] no "proper languages" then [00:04] java was fun last year though. we had two labs a week and made a program in each. they got pretty intense near the end [00:04] humphreybc: sure, but for now the off topic is being logged as well [00:04] haha well no not really [00:04] sebsebseb: true. meh. [00:05] hey, my offtopic blurblings have been logged in #ubuntu-uk for ages [00:05] i'm looking forward to cracking into some python so I can help out with some ubuntu programs [00:05] dutchie: yeah the bot had .co.uk [00:05] that's because it's run on my server [00:05] Ubuntu UK is ok, but I don't like it much [00:06] I don't like Ubuntu Offtopic either much [00:06] hmm I just thought of something [00:06] two things now actsaully [00:06] !ot [00:06] #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks! [00:06] ok well that one needs changing or whatever [00:06] !uk [00:06] Join us for a discussion using the Queen's English in #ubuntu-uk [00:06] dutchie: i've been thinking of making my server online, at the moment it's just local [00:07] easy to save a new factoid [00:07] dutchie: indeed [00:07] factoid suggestion hmm [00:07] humphreybc: mine's been up about a year, hasn't been hacked yet [00:07] maybe something like, Best to keep this channel mainly on topic! [00:07] since we don't have an off topic room [00:08] shall we found one? ;) [00:08] dutchie: I got another channel that I use as a kind of off topic channel :) [00:08] !ot is Best to keep this channel mainly on topic! [00:08] But ot already means something else! [00:09] !no ot is Best to keep this channel mainly on topic! [00:09] you guys want to start a #ubuntu-manual-offtopic ? [00:09] I'll remember that dutchie [00:09] !ot [00:09] humphreybc: not so much now [00:09] Best to keep this channel mainly on topic! [00:09] maybe not #ubuntu-manual-offtopic, maybe just something else [00:09] humphreybc: a bit of off topic is ok I guess in here for now really, just not to much of it [00:09] hokay. dutchie is it easy to stick your server online? [00:09] just buy a domain and aim it there [00:10] well of course on topic takes priority. i don't see any problem with off topic when there's nothing else going on [00:10] !cym is Dewch i siarad yn y sianel #ubuntu-cym yn Saesneg neu yn Cymraeg | Come to the #ubuntu-cym channel to speak in Welsh or English [00:10] (assuming you've got a static IP) [00:10] i've got a couple of domains [00:10] :p [00:10] ianto: :D [00:10] * dutchie is tempted to change that to something offensive [00:10] i'd have to move my blog to my server maybe. nah screw that. how can I point it to www.interesting.co.nz? [00:10] humphreybc: sure, but since it's being offically logged, most of those logs should be useful info really [00:11] !sl is choo choo! [00:11] !ot [00:11] Best to keep this channel mainly on topic! [00:11] !doc [00:11] documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com [00:11] Roughly on topic [00:12] ianto: try the !cym factoid now [00:12] !cym [00:12] Oh, boyo, come and sing of the valleys in #ubuntu-cym! [00:12] :) [00:12] there was someone here the other day [00:13] well the first day this channel is being offically logged [00:13] that wanted to translate, but their English wasn't that good as well or something like that [00:13] the italian guy? [00:13] yes [00:13] what happended to them? etc are they translating now I guess not? [00:14] different languages can sometimes be an issue online, because then people don't always understand each other [00:14] their could be more people coming here in the future, that don't know English that well [00:14] in fact that's likely to happen if the manual takes off properly [00:15] hopefully, if the manual takes off properly, we'll have enough people talking (say) italian that they can take care of the guy who isn't so confident [00:16] humphreybc: I am not going to do it right now, but i'll do a proper comment for the front cover propoals. That will be better than some stuff I put on IRC (before this channel was offically publically logged) [00:16] proposals [00:17] (sometimes I want to correct stuff on IRC, that doesn't really need to be corrected) [00:17] dutchie: indeed [00:17] sweet [00:17] sounds good [00:18] * humphreybc may have to go to the lab after work at 7pm to do the assignment. crap. [00:20] dutchie: oh yeah Ubuntu channels tend to only be for one language, so if it was to hit off properly, might have to make different language channels for it, or at least use loco channels sometimes for it [00:21] yeah, I think just aim them at the LoCo channels [00:21] I was thinking about the front cover and languages before and now again [00:22] well that will be in English I guess always and not translated to other languages? [00:22] sebsebseb: we will translate the front cover for each version [00:22] humphreybc: including for example the Ubuntu slogan, Ubuntu Linux For Human Beings? [00:22] no [00:22] yep that's what I thought [00:23] ,but stuff like Created by the Ubuntu Manual Team [00:23] would get translated? [00:23] yea [00:23] ,but not the name itself though? Ubuntu Manual Team [00:24] humphreybc: right? [00:24] um [00:24] i'm not sure [00:25] wel I guess not. let's take this for example, it's still Ubuntu Software Center the package and that, but in the menu when Ubuntu is in EN GB it will say Ubuntu Software Centre instead [00:27] I would have prefered if they had gone with Ubuntu Software Centre for all of it, in the first place, but no, since they use American English as the default [00:28] would be ok to translate Ubuntu Manual Team as well I think, and in the future maybe have differnet language versions of the wiki [00:31] yep [00:37] humphreybc: dutchie #ubuntu-manual-chat maybe in the future [00:38] ? [00:38] maybe [00:39] I was thinking entirely outside the #ubuntu-* hierarchy [00:39] dutchie: well an offical channel isn't really meant to have an unoffical channel as it's offtopic/chat [00:40] or one that doesn't have the ubuntu name in it, as far as I know [00:40] plus their are loads of off topic / chat type rooms on this network, Freenode has one as well [00:41] just fancied stirring things up :) [00:42] dutchie: so why the name dutchie ? [00:42] humphreybc: what's the bc about in yours? [00:42] Josh Holland, then an utter lack of imagination [00:43] dutchie: ah right [00:43] my initials [00:43] just saw that, but I was hovering over the names before and seeing the thing hmm [00:43] for most/all [00:44] humphreybc: Benjamin Humphrey where's the C some sort of middle name? [00:44] yeah first letter of my middle name [00:44] mine has a little story behind it, but I don't really want to share it in a Ubuntu channel [00:51] lol [00:54] humphreybc: Why so funny? [00:54] you're too careful [00:54] humphreybc: noI am not [00:55] anyway explain? [00:56] or not [00:56] I could say the story here, I just don't want to [00:57] that's all [00:59] fair nuff [00:59] humphreybc: anyway good to have stuff that is relivant to the project, mainly in the logs [01:25] humphreybc: Wiki: url Launchpad: url [01:26] humphreybc: Just has the URL for the wiki at the moment [01:28] The other urls say what they are, but it doesn't for the wiki at the moment === dutchie changed the topic of #ubuntu-manual to: Ubuntu Manual Project discussion | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual | Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual | IRC logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Ubuntu Guidelines: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Code of Conduct: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ === dutchie changed the topic of #ubuntu-manual to: Ubuntu Manual Project discussion | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual | Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual | IRC logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Ubuntu Guidelines: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Code of Conduct: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ [01:31] dutchie: ok you sorted it :) [01:45] * humphreybc is off to work for 4 hours [01:46] catch ya'll later [06:14] pushed a few commits -- copyedits on chap 1..3 [06:31] * humphreybc is back [06:33] Ilya, what do you mean by "copyediting"? [06:53] text = copy; copyediting = editing the text [06:54] edited for style & accuracy, mainly. feel free to review and revert. [07:14] ok [12:29] did someone set the list to moderated? [12:30] ah, I think it's someone not in the team [12:43] dutchie: hi.. what is the page size of the manual? [12:43] it's the american letter size [12:44] no idea what the dimensions of that are [12:44] hmm. [12:44] google will probably know ;) [12:45] yeah , google is a great friend ;) === cLinx_ is now known as cLinx === cLinx_ is now known as cLinx === \vish is now known as vish [17:47] Hi [18:04] hey everone [18:06] !hello | jmburgess [18:06] jmburgess: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines . Enjoy your stay! [18:06] jmburgess: that factoid should be changed for this channel [18:07] dutchie: ^ [18:08] haha [18:08] hmmmm can I change that? [18:09] I don't think so/I have no idea how [18:09] jmburgess: if you got bot access yes [18:09] i have no idea if I do, I am admin on the launchpad [18:09] jmburgess: well dutchie has bot access [18:09] nice [18:09] dutchie do your thing [18:09] since he also hosts it, anyway he seems to be away [18:09] gotcha [18:10] jmburgess: so do you think manualbot is a he/she/it ? [18:11] jmburgess: well ubottu is female, so this one is at the moment as well I guess [18:11] !gender [18:11] yes, I can confirm I am a female bot :) [18:14] haha [18:15] i mean some females would be nice in the group [18:15] haha [18:15] jmburgess: uhmm [18:15] hello [18:16] jmburgess: remember the channel is publically logged now, and certian people don't like those kind of comments, even if it is only a joke [18:16] jmburgess: or even if you mean it, but in a friendly way [18:16] !women | jmburgess [18:16] jmburgess: The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively. [18:17] what? [18:17] dutchie: to what? the bot factoid or? [18:17] * dutchie is reading the backscroll now [18:17] dutchie: ah ok [18:18] what should the !hello be changed to then? [18:18] !hi [18:18] Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines . Enjoy your stay! [18:18] !hi and !hello are the same thing [18:18] sebsebseb: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [18:19] just needs to be a hi or hello or welcome to the channel [18:19] so the first bit sure, but the last lot no. [18:20] dutchie: could put in a Enjoy your stay! If really wanted though [18:20] !hello is Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. [18:20] But hello already means something else! [18:20] !no hello is Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. [18:20] I'll remember that dutchie [18:21] dutchie: Feel free to ask questions and help people out, is more for the support channels. [18:21] this isn't #ubuntu [18:21] come up with one yourself then [18:21] where that message is fine the one the bot had before [18:21] Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual [18:21] or [18:22] and add it like I did [18:22] * dutchie is lazy [18:22] Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy your stay! [18:22] dutchie: uhmm I don't have bot access, and probably shoudn't really have it here [18:23] it'll forward to me [18:23] yeah i thought this would be more for the manual then actual help. [18:23] i_is_broke: exactly which is why I was suggesting the !hi factoid got changed [18:23] hi and welcome, come in and sit down and read a book..lol [18:23] dutchie: oh yeah it can be done in pm with the bot, but not sure how to do that [18:24] !no hello is Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay. [18:24] I'll remember that dutchie [18:24] !hi [18:24] if you do that, it'll forward the request to me, and I'll review it at some point [18:24] Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines . Enjoy your stay! [18:24] dutchie: change !hi as well to that, and it's fine [18:25] yeah that would work too. [18:25] !no hi is hello [18:25] I'll remember that dutchie [18:25] !hi [18:25] Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay. [18:25] something simple, will be for a lot of new people. [18:25] oh [18:25] ! [18:26] i_is_broke: yes have you seen the art work on the wiki for the front cover? [18:26] now is this manual, going to be added on or is there going to be an advanced manual out as well? [18:26] i_is_broke: people have been picking and doing comments [18:26] sebsebseb, yup [18:26] dutchie: put in the ! in the factoid and it's fine [18:26] !hi [18:26] Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay. [18:26] better [18:26] sebsebseb, guess they should of got in on it sooner if they have complaints. [18:26] oh it's got ! ,but after the channel name, that's another little mistake [18:27] i_is_broke: no [18:27] i_is_broke: the idea is for the art work to be commented on [18:27] oh ok [18:27] i see [18:27] sebsebseb: what, like this: [18:27] i thought it was quite good my self [18:27] !no hello is Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay! [18:27] I'll remember that dutchie [18:27] you can do one yourself, and someone will add, or you can yourself if you join the wiki and such I think [18:27] !hi [18:27] Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay! [18:28] ill check into it. [18:28] right now im kind of in the middle of hacking around with python...lol [18:28] dutchie: that will do it I guess, but if we want to be really fussy or whatever !hello should start with Hello! rather than Hi! [18:29] i_is_broke: oh yeah we got another factoid :) yeah this one [18:29] !ot [18:29] Best to keep this channel mainly on topic! [18:30] haha [18:30] sebsebseb: that is far too much fuss [18:30] jmburgess: plus he knows where he can chat to me [18:31] dutchie: well yeah I guess so [18:32] i_is_broke: if it's about manual you can say it here [18:33] dutchie: can anyone edit the wiki for the manual, or just team members? [18:33] anyone with a launchpad account can edit the wiki [18:34] now this is going to be actual ways they want things done, so its not going to be like the hit and misses of the forums right? [18:34] dutchie: yeah that's what I meant by anyone, anyone with an account [18:35] sebsebseb: I am pretty sure everyone can [18:35] the manual page in the topic doesnm't exist in the wiki [18:36] !hi | ikonia [18:36] ikonia: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay! [18:36] sebsebseb: just say hi [18:36] I don't need a bot thrown at me [18:36] ikonia: true, but we were just changing the factoid [18:36] hello [18:36] so ? [18:37] ikonia: which manual page? [18:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual [18:37] morning everyone [18:37] wfm [18:37] ahhh it does exist [18:37] wiki was just being odd [18:37] just refreshed and it was there [18:38] dutchie: It's got a ! after the channel in that factoid, but doesn't really matter that much. Not a big deal. Change it if you want of course though. [18:39] sebsebseb: why should there not be a ! after the channel? it's the end of a sentence... [18:39] dutchie: I mean #ubuntu-manual! [18:39] dutchie: ah ha I get you now, ok doesn't matter, since people are already in the channel so don't need to click on the link. [18:40] ikonia: very tired of the bots, eh? ;) [18:40] a little [18:40] ikonia: probably sebsebseb didnt realize you are a mod/OP :) [18:40] vish: oh I know [18:40] ah , cool [18:40] it's not a big deal [18:40] sebsebseb: oh, is your irc client picking up the ! as part of the channel name, and not just a punctuation mark [18:41] dutchie: exactly [18:41] get a proper client, or file a bug, or something :P [18:41] dutchie: this is a nice client [18:41] what is it? [18:42] dutchie: Konversation which I would much rather use in Gnome/KDE than Xchat for example [18:42] irssi++ [18:42] dutchie: well yeah irssi, but that would need time to set up properly [18:42] 30 seconds [18:42] the default install is a good base [18:43] all I've done on top of the defaults is add a few plugins [18:43] dutchie: 45 seconds then [18:43] ikonia: well I looked on their help on the website for it, when I had it in Ubuntu whenever it was now, and was a bit like uh, I would have to set this and that up [18:43] humphreybc: Hello [18:44] sebsebseb: all you have to set up is login/server info, which you'd have to do in any client that isn't telepathic [18:44] hey mate [18:45] vish: Going back to bots, some people over use them, and other people don't like it. [18:46] sebsebseb: yeah... :) [18:46] there's always /ignore [18:47] the bots can be very very useful [18:47] I just don't like them used for things like "hello" [18:47] ikonia: the bots can be very useful indeed [18:47] if you can't be bothered to type "hello" to someone why type "!hello" to get automated blah thrown at soeone [18:47] someone [18:47] it has it's place [18:47] hehe [18:48] !topic [18:48] Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [18:48] meh.. [18:49] so what's all this? [18:49] mixed opinions on manuel? [18:49] not at all, it looks like a good project [18:49] nah... just idle chat :) [18:49] I'm interested [18:50] righto good good [18:50] ikonia: well ubottu, manualbot, and so on, still have a !hi factoid. Maybe !hi should get removed from #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1? Like !love was [18:50] i'm sorry I can't stay and chat guys, i've got 5 hours worth of back to back lectures to contend with today [18:51] humphreybc: ah right yeah, you told us about an exam before [18:51] sebsebseb: it has it's place, it can be useful, more so in busy channels [18:51] oh no it's not an exam [18:51] sadly my school is just starting tomorrow [18:51] these are just regular lectures :( [18:51] not looking forward to that [18:51] oh noes we're losing everyone to school [18:51] oh jmburgess while you're here [18:51] yep? [18:52] could you email the mailing list and basically give everyone a "final call" to get their opinions in on the new ToC? [18:52] humphreybc: I thought it is summer where you are [18:52] yep [18:52] because i'd like to change over to the new ToC asap - probably sometime today/tonight [18:52] Toc ? [18:52] ikonia: Tables Of Contents [18:52] Table rather no s [18:52] ahm it's meant to be summer but when you're at 45 degrees latitude south it's freezing cold. I'm doing summer school. [18:53] ah [18:53] alright sweet. what time is it over where you live jmburgess? [18:53] ikonia: exactly an interesting project it should be, their was quite a lot of media attention articles/blogs [18:53] because it's like 8am here and after I finish lectures i'll work on changing the wiki and blueprints over to the new ToC. So everyone has about 6 hours to get their opinions in before a final decision is made :) [18:54] I've not read any of the media / blog posts on it to be honest [18:54] nice [18:54] it is 1:54 pm [18:54] oh awesome well that's not too bad [18:54] nope [18:54] I will send out the email now [18:54] jmburgess: you in the states? [18:54] so i'll be back at about 8pm your time [18:55] dutchie: yep [18:55] Pittsburgh area [18:55] oh yeah dutchie this probably applies to you too if you want to help with the latex conversion xD [18:55] we're spread right across the world then [18:55] dutchie: you? [18:55] uk [18:55] nice [18:55] it truly is an international project :) [18:55] yep [18:55] oh and btw [18:55] ikonia: Well I never checked out the Lucid blue prints in full, just some, but the manual has something as well I think. Anyway IRC channel, and then a link that took me to an article about it. That's how I found out about this project the other night. Then told someone about it and he has done some cover art work. [18:55] gives us a nice coverage of the time zones too [18:55] i stuck Jamin Day in charge of editing [18:56] so he's going to find out who else wants to edit, and sort out the editing team [18:56] then he's going to assign an editor to each chapter [18:56] I will redo a bunch of the latex stuff tonight, and email everyone when I push the revision [18:56] the editors will work as a two person team with the authors of each chapter [18:56] dutchie: we can work 24 hours! [18:56] :) [18:56] yeah humphreybc when you go to sleep, I wake up generally [18:57] humphreybc: ah yes time zones, but this is The Internet [18:57] i haven't emailed anyone about the new editing thing yet, but i'll do that this afternoon [18:57] humphreybc: so people are indeed in different time zones [18:57] Jamin wants better communication between the editing team and the authors, so we're going to make full use of the whiteboards on blueprints [18:58] sounds good [18:58] humphreybc: people working on the project 24 hours, sounds like a nice idea [18:58] * humphreybc needs to buy a linux friendly printer today - ideas? [18:59] HP [18:59] hp [18:59] HP is the only way to go [18:59]