[15:32] <alkisg> I'm having problems with sdl sound in edubuntu Lucid (while plain Ubuntu Lucid works fine).
[15:32] <alkisg> Could it be that phonon somehow messes with the backends?
[15:37] <sbalneav> dunno, never played with phonon
[15:39] <alkisg> It gets installed by default in edubuntu, unfortunately :(
[15:39] <sbalneav> hm
[15:39] <alkisg> (either that or I did something wrong)
[15:40] <ogra> likely by kdeedu
[15:40] <highvoltage> I just checked the rdepents and it is indeed kdeedu apps that depend on it
[15:41] <alkisg> I heard that kde won't use pulseaudio as the default backend in Lucid, it'll be ready for pulseaudio but won't use it due to lack of testing. Maybe we should test/make it as the default backend in edubuntu (if that's actually the problem, that is...)
[15:41] <alkisg> As gcompris, tux* etc all use sdl
[15:42]  * alkisg will test more to pinpoint his problem
[15:44] <highvoltage> wow, rsyncing from the karmic dvd to the latest daily build is quite faster than I thought it would be
[15:44] <highvoltage> (just started a few minutes ago and it's already on 9%)
[15:44] <alkisg> Karmic? Wow...
[15:44] <alkisg> I use dl-ubuntu-test-iso, it's handy for syncing daily builds
[15:45] <highvoltage> I'll look into that, in the old days I used one of ogra's scripts
[15:45] <highvoltage> I don't want to sync every day though, it would make me poor :)
[15:45] <highvoltage> (I mean, poorer)
[15:46] <alkisg> How much do you pay to e.g. download a full dvd?
[15:48] <highvoltage> alkisg: around 25 euro
[15:49] <highvoltage> alkisg: I'm trying out a new ISP that's a bit cheaper atm, I think with them it will be around 15 euro instead.
[15:50] <alkisg> Wow internet is *really* expensive there... You'd be better off with freenx and a report VM
[15:51] <highvoltage> yeah
[15:51] <highvoltage> I like having it here though :)
[15:51] <highvoltage> and that's just for bandwidth, we also have to pay extra DSL rental on top of our phone line rental costs
[15:51] <alkisg> *remote, not report. What's wrong with me today?
[15:51] <highvoltage> so before I even transfer a bit my dsl line already costs me around 50 euro
[15:52] <alkisg> So what people percentage actually has internet? 1 out of 100?!!!
[15:52] <highvoltage> possibly quite a bit more than that, but when it comes to broadband internet... it's probably less than 1 out of a 100
[15:53] <highvoltage> most people connect using GPRS/EDGE/3G/HSDPA since there's no fixed monthly rental charges
[15:53] <highvoltage> so lots of people do that and pay 0.20 euro per MB for whatever amount of bandwidth they can afford
[15:55] <alkisg> I see... we mostly use that method for GPRS/3G here, as broadband is quite common/cheap. I only pay 20€ per month, and that includes my phone bill & internet access (6 mbps)
[15:56] <highvoltage> that seems quite common in europe
[15:56] <highvoltage> our expensiveness is purely due to our telecoms monopoly here
[15:57] <highvoltage> we had a competitor join in recently, but Telkom still controls pretty much everything (they're the only ones who can still provide DSL, for example)
[15:58] <alkisg> We had monopoly maybe 5 years ago, and _now_ the main provider starts lowering its prices :-/
[16:03] <alkisg> highvoltage: the ldm-crashing problem I was experiencing was because of LP #505787. I worked around the problem, and also I have FAT_CLIENT=True in my lts.conf, but I'm logging on normally (as a thin client) instead. Any hints?
[16:22]  * alkisg tries with LTSP_FATCLIENT=True instead of FAT_CLIENT=True...
[16:27] <highvoltage> alkisg: working?
[16:27] <alkisg> Yup, finally!
[16:28] <alkisg> phone, brb...
[16:40]  * stgraber bangs his head on the wall ... that CD building thing is really really complicated ...
[16:40] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/data/code/ubuntu-cdimage$ find . | wc -l
[16:40] <stgraber> 1635
[16:40] <stgraber> that's all the scripts used to build a CD image ;)
[16:42] <highvoltage> wow. with that many files there's probably a lot of sourcing and run-partsing, etc
[16:44]  * alkisg hugs stgraber as well :)
[16:45] <stgraber> yep, lots of sourcing + it's debian packaged + there's a Makefile ;)
[16:45] <stgraber> just poked ubuntu-release about it, let's hope someone knows how that magic works (cjwatson is way too busy to look at it now)
[16:46] <alkisg> Wouldn't it be a good idea to install by default (in 010-fat-client) all the langpacks that the server has?
[16:47] <highvoltage> that's a good idea, I guess some people might like the chroot a bit smaller by default, but perhaps it should be an option
[16:48] <alkisg> Or at least the one that matches the server locale...
[16:51] <alkisg> Hmm maybe that switch could be handled by 030-late-packages...
[17:42] <highvoltage> sent 477715 bytes  received 2234932395 bytes  307589.97 bytes/sec
[17:42] <highvoltage> total size is 3336513536  speedup is 1.49
[17:42] <highvoltage> that's between karmic release and the latest alpha iso
[17:42] <highvoltage> or at least, daily build
[18:59]  * stgraber is making progress on getting LTSP in the DVD image