| nixternal | Riddell: thought there were more proposals yet to be completed on it...could be wrong, but I thought the current status was just a "practical reality" at this point...re: archive reorg | 01:00 |
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| Riddell | I think the developer membership board still has stuff to sort out but the kubuntu-dev team exists and we put people onto it | 01:03 |
| Riddell | the list of packages they can upload misses some important ones though which is disappointing | 01:03 |
| nixternal | do we have a list of those? | 01:04 |
| Riddell | there's a weird command which lists them | 01:04 |
| nixternal | oh yeah, I have it aliased | 01:04 |
| Riddell | lists the ones that can be uploaded | 01:04 |
| Riddell | but soprano and kde4libs and maybe kdebase-runtime can't as I remember | 01:04 |
| nixternal | ./edit_acl.py -s $* query | 01:05 |
| nixternal | in our case -> ./edit_acl.py -s kubuntu-dev query | 01:05 |
| nixternal | that is the list of packages we can upload | 01:05 |
| jjesse | interesting choqok is once again crashing for me everytime it updates | 01:10 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell, nixternal: From my recollection, I cannot upload: qt4-x11, akonadi, soprano, phonon-backends, kde4libs, kdebase-workspace, kdebase-runtime, or kdesdk | 01:24 |
| JontheEchidna | attica neither | 01:24 |
| JontheEchidna | or shared-desktop-ontologies | 01:25 |
| JontheEchidna | but I can upload to half the gnome packages, for some weird reason | 01:25 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, and I also cannot upload kde-l10n-* packages, but I can upload to every single Ubuntu language pack :/ | 01:26 |
| crimsun | regarding the topic, how is mesa still broken? | 01:28 |
| crimsun | (aside from a possible libGL.so debacle) | 01:28 |
| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 01:35 |
| _Groo_ | any motus alive? | 01:42 |
| _Groo_ | is anyone going to upload plasmoid-cwp to lucid? if not, im gonna assign myself the task | 01:42 |
| ScottK | crimsun: debacle still not fixed. | 01:43 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: hey scottk, can i do a change in wally yet? | 01:44 |
| ScottK | Is it accepted? | 01:45 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: i think so :) | 01:45 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: how do i check that? | 01:45 |
| ScottK | _Groo_: Looks like the source is accepted, but not the binaries: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wally | 01:46 |
| ScottK | Best let it get through binary New first unless it's urgent. | 01:47 |
| ScottK | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wally/2.3.1-0ubuntu1 is clearer | 01:47 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: ok scott, im gonna do the package for cwp plasmoid and do the usual process again.. when im done im gonna bug you for sponsorship again :D | 01:48 |
| JontheEchidna | !info plasma-widget-customizable-weather | 01:49 |
| ubottu | plasma-widget-customizable-weather (source: plasma-widget-customizable-weather): a weather plasma widget that is highly customizable. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.12-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 311 kB, installed size 1480 kB | 01:49 |
| JontheEchidna | _Groo_: ^ | 01:50 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, new relase | 01:50 |
| JontheEchidna | not new package ;-) | 01:50 |
| _Groo_ | JontheEchidna: yeah, sorry :) last is 0.9.18 | 01:51 |
| JontheEchidna | whoa, qtcurve got a 1.0 release finally | 01:51 |
| _Groo_ | JontheEchidna: also aurorae was broken with latest 4.4 rc1 | 01:51 |
| JontheEchidna | broken? | 01:51 |
| _Groo_ | JontheEchidna: kde-window-manager: Conflicts: kwin-style-aurorae but 0.2.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed. | 01:52 |
| JontheEchidna | right, aurorae is part of the kde-window-manager package now | 01:52 |
| _Groo_ | JontheEchidna: you upgrade to rc1 you loose aurorae | 01:52 |
| _Groo_ | really? | 01:52 |
| JontheEchidna | rly | 01:52 |
| * _Groo_ going to check | 01:52 | |
| JontheEchidna | before you got overwrite errors when you had both installed | 01:52 |
| _Groo_ | JontheEchidna: nice :) well the the old one needs to be removed from lucid :) | 01:54 |
| _Groo_ | JontheEchidna: thanks for the tip :) | 01:54 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: mind removing kwin-style-aurorae? | 01:54 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: can do | 01:55 |
| JontheEchidna | thx | 01:55 |
| _Groo_ | well gotta go, gonna spend some ubuntu time with my wife, seeya :D | 01:56 |
| * genii gets a coffee and reads buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kdebase-runtime_4:4.3.90-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 02:09 | |
| ScottK | genii: Part of the mesa breakage. See /topic | 02:10 |
| genii | ScottK: OK, thanks | 02:11 |
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| neversfelde | the bilbo bzr branch isn't really usefule anymore, because bilbo is now part of kdepim. Should it be deleted or do we keep outdated branches for documentation or something else? | 09:53 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: I think you can mark it as obsolete | 10:19 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: thanks | 10:42 |
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| hunger | There were some messages about making linGL more alternative-friendly in the list of changes. Could you actually set up the alternatives now that the lib (ald GLU, too) were moved into /usr/lib/mesa? | 12:39 |
| Riddell | agateau: hmm FindDBusMenuQt.cmake is missing from that patch you sent me this morning | 13:05 |
| Riddell | and from the one you sent me last week | 13:05 |
| agateau | Riddell: oh | 13:11 |
| agateau | Riddell: sending it | 13:12 |
| Riddell | Mamarok, Nightrose: does amarok 2.2.2 want liblastfm 0.3.0 or 0.4 git? | 13:12 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: no idea tbh sorry - lfanchi will know for sure but readme should be up to date too | 13:13 |
| Mamarok | well, README still says 0.3 | 13:19 |
| Riddell | so I'll go with that for the backport | 13:21 |
| Mamarok | I pinged lfranchi, I hope he doesn't change that in the last minute :) | 13:21 |
| ScottK | hunger: Right now mesa is broken so you can't do much with it at all. | 13:40 |
| fabo | freeflyi1g: have you pushed your patches upstream (qt fonts) ? | 13:41 |
| freeflyi1g | fabo: not yet | 13:45 |
| al | out of curiosity, is there a review process that could come up with means to prevent things like the mess with the libGL change or is it just "stuff that happens"? | 13:45 |
| al | cause i'd propose to create a test case where one random reverse dependency gets compiled, at least for main packages | 13:45 |
| ScottK | al: There isn't a formal process, but stuff like this is pretty unusual these days. | 13:48 |
| ScottK | There's ~ two times a release cycle where stuff gets totally broken. | 13:48 |
| al | hmkay | 13:50 |
| * txwikinger wishes everyody a fine Monday morning (substitute with day of time as appropriate) | 13:52 | |
| txwikinger | or time of day whatever more inclined ;) | 13:52 |
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| Riddell | agateau: I'm also missing org.freedesktop.StatusNotifierWatcher.xml | 14:02 |
| Riddell | agateau: this git thing isn't the perfect answer you claim it is :) | 14:02 |
| agateau | Riddell: mmm... seems my diff failed to include any new file | 14:02 |
| agateau | Riddell: it is perfect, I am just an unperfect user :) | 14:03 |
| maco | was it a git changeset? maybe you didnt git add the files first? | 14:03 |
| agateau | maco: yes I created the diff file in a hurry | 14:03 |
| agateau | Riddell: will redo them | 14:03 |
| ScottK | Riddell: How about putting the Windows USB creator on our dvd image? Ubuntu has added it to theirs and it seems a good idea to me. | 14:04 |
| Riddell | ScottK: is that different from the normal usb creator? | 14:06 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Yes in that in runs on Windows. | 14:06 |
| Riddell | so this isn't a package we add to the seeds I take it, it's something in the ISO build scripts | 14:07 |
| ScottK | Yeah, it's a cdimage change | 14:07 |
| Riddell | seems sensible | 14:07 |
| ScottK | See the recent backscroll in -release for details. | 14:07 |
| JontheEchidna | on the subject of seeds, how did we get 30 MB over the iso size? | 14:08 |
| JontheEchidna | (on amd64, only 11 MB on i386) | 14:09 |
| Riddell | and that's with no language packs | 14:09 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: 4.4 is a lot bigger than 4.3. | 14:10 |
| JontheEchidna | if only there was a visual representation of what's taking up how much space | 14:11 |
| Riddell | nice idea, shouldn't be /too/ hard to do | 14:15 |
| ScottK | Looks like we haven't had a successful dvd build since 12/21. I think from looking at the ubuntu-cdimage change to put it on the Ubuntu dvd, we'll get it too. | 14:19 |
| agateau | Riddell: new patch sent | 14:21 |
| JontheEchidna | For starters, we could replace kate with kwrite giving us a 3.1 MB gain | 14:25 |
| JontheEchidna | kwrite probably fits the average usecase better as well | 14:25 |
| ulysses__ | o.O Kate is much better then Kwrite | 14:25 |
| JontheEchidna | well, yes | 14:26 |
| * amichair likes Kate better | 14:26 | |
| JontheEchidna | but most people just need a notepad | 14:26 |
| JontheEchidna | only us uber 1337 developers need the full-blown half-ide text editor ;-) | 14:26 |
| ulysses__ | :D | 14:26 |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: what about kvkbd? | 14:27 |
| * neversfelde remembers that he wanted to talk to someone about it | 14:27 | |
| JontheEchidna | we have plasma-widget-plasmaboard now | 14:27 |
| JontheEchidna | smarter was talking about that I think | 14:28 |
| neversfelde | yes | 14:28 |
| Riddell | I've never seen the point of kwrite, it's just kate without tabs (and other bits) and people know how to use tabs | 14:28 |
| Riddell | but is it really 3MB smaller? what's the change there? | 14:29 |
| JontheEchidna | Installing kwrite: After this operation, 406kB of additional disk space will be used. | 14:29 |
| JontheEchidna | removing kate: After this operation, 3,617kB disk space will be freed. | 14:29 |
| maco | uh hang on | 14:29 |
| neversfelde | also an average user would not need kdepim-wizards, but I do not know how much space that brings | 14:29 |
| maco | did you install kwrite before trying the remove kate | 14:29 |
| ulysses__ | kwrite: Installed-Size: 408 | 14:30 |
| maco | because kate's low estimate could be based on stuff kate installed already | 14:30 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: That's space on disk. Savings on CD would be less due to compression | 14:30 |
| ulysses__ | 408 what? | 14:30 |
| maco | er kwrite's low estimate | 14:30 |
| ScottK | Riddell: It also lacks all the syntax highlighting stuff too. | 14:30 |
| JontheEchidna | kate also comes with a lot of plugins | 14:31 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: is archive size a better indicator? | 14:31 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Yes | 14:31 |
| Riddell | yes the size of the .deb is about right | 14:31 |
| JontheEchidna | kwrite: Need to get 129kB of archives. | 14:31 |
| JontheEchidna | kate: Need to get 921kB of archives. | 14:32 |
| JontheEchidna | ha, mirrored | 14:32 |
| JontheEchidna | so I guess that helps a bit? | 14:32 |
| * amichair wonders how much would be saved if better compression was used | 14:32 | |
| Riddell | I think it is lzma (could be wrong) | 14:33 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, it's definitely still lmza | 14:34 |
| * amichair further wonders if there are any usage statistics for applications installed by default | 14:36 | |
| * amichair does not speak today. He only wonders things in the small confines of his mind... | 14:37 | |
| JontheEchidna | I guess there's the popcon statistics, but those have to be turned on manually by the user | 14:37 |
| * amichair thought those were installation statistics, not usage statistics. He is likely wrong. | 14:38 | |
| JontheEchidna | it has both :) | 14:39 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, sorta | 14:39 |
| JontheEchidna | "use this package regularly" | 14:40 |
| ScottK | Average users don't fill in the popcon data. | 14:42 |
| JontheEchidna | speedcrunch vs kcalc is 524kB vs 132kB | 14:43 |
| JontheEchidna | we also have a calculator plasmoid, so we are awash in calculators | 14:43 |
| JontheEchidna | but perhaps we want a non-plasmoid calculator | 14:44 |
| neversfelde | why? | 14:44 |
| JontheEchidna | the plasmoid calculator is limited to the desktop, and can't be brought in front of windows easily (or at least discoverably and non-intrusively) | 14:45 |
| neversfelde | everyone who needs to use a calculator for complex tasks should be able to install it. | 14:45 |
| neversfelde | fist things I remove are speedcrunch, kvkbd, kdepim-wizards, ksystemlog, kmag, kmousetools and some other apps I do not remember at the moment | 14:47 |
| neversfelde | we should keep the apps handicaped users need and think about removing the rest, especially applications, which can be replaced by existing widgets | 14:48 |
| jjesse | i don't understand the need to replace speedcrunch, i don't reach for the plasmoid when i need a calculator, i reach for speedcrunch | 14:49 |
| * JontheEchidna never uses ksystemlog | 14:49 | |
| jjesse | in fact 90% of the time i dont even look at my desktop | 14:49 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, I don't think we could get away with replacing speedcrunch with the plasmoid. But I think we could do kcalc since they are almost the same for most uses | 14:50 |
| * amichair uses speedcrunch quite a bit, and would hate the idea of using a widget for a calculator. widgets don't play nice with multitasking. | 14:51 | |
| Riddell | separating out /usr/share/speedcrunch/books/ would be an idea | 14:51 |
| JontheEchidna | I didn't even know it had a math book function | 14:52 |
| JontheEchidna | speedcrunch is a bit prettier than kcalc, so if we could get the size down a bit it'd be nice to keep it | 14:52 |
| JontheEchidna | oxygen-icon-theme grew 5.7 MB in lucid compared to karmic | 14:54 |
| JontheEchidna | that's probably a lot of the problem right there | 14:55 |
| freinhard | is strigi 0.7.1 in some ppa? | 14:56 |
| * Riddell uploads amarok 2.2.2 | 15:01 | |
| Riddell | freinhard: that's a strange one, there's no upstream release, fabo just got it from the revision control for debian | 15:01 |
| freinhard | Riddell: there is, jos just told me | 15:02 |
| freinhard | got released last thursday | 15:02 |
| Riddell | is it on the website yet? | 15:02 |
| freinhard | and it's listed here http://www.vandenoever.info/software/strigi/ | 15:02 |
| Riddell | oh aye, there it is | 15:02 |
| Riddell | well he hadn't updated it last I looked :) | 15:02 |
| freinhard | "vandenoever> freinhard: if not [read: if 0.7.1 isn't packaged yeat] , tell them it fixes important bugs :-)" | 15:03 |
| freinhard | -a | 15:03 |
| JontheEchidna | I think it'd be best to let that wait for it migrate to Debian testing so it autosyncs | 15:03 |
| JontheEchidna | for lucid at least | 15:04 |
| Riddell | I could just sync it now from unstable | 15:04 |
| JontheEchidna | that'd work | 15:04 |
| Riddell | we should add it to our PPA for the next RC | 15:06 |
| daskreech | Is the indicator applet broken in KDE 4.4 ? | 15:06 |
| freinhard | Riddell: where will i find strigi 0.7.1? kubuntu-ppa/beta ? | 15:07 |
| Riddell | freinhard: yes, at some point | 15:07 |
| Riddell | freinhard: do you need it for a paticular reason? | 15:07 |
| freinhard | Riddell: yes, i'd like to check if this fixes a segfault i get from a certain PDF | 15:08 |
| Riddell | ok I'll put it up shortly | 15:09 |
| freinhard | Riddell: great, thx! | 15:10 |
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| * amichair boots the daily kubuntu lucid-desktop-amd64.iso, but is unable to reach the login screen... | 15:29 | |
| Riddell | amichair: the live CD didn't build today | 15:30 |
| Riddell | live filesystem I mean | 15:30 |
| Riddell | so that'll be old | 15:30 |
| * amichair thanks Riddell, and leaves catching up with lucid for another day | 15:33 | |
| freinhard | huh, i still got konqueror 4.3.85 but 4.3.90. things start to get confusing... | 15:38 |
| daskreech | nixternal: ping? | 15:40 |
| === hunger_t is now known as hunger | ||
| hunger | ScottK: What is wrong with GL? Stuff seems to build fine for me (apart from the wrong directory of course... nothing that a update-alternatives did not fix:-). | 16:03 |
| Riddell | it's not working in the buildds | 16:04 |
| hunger | Riddell: I guess so... It moved the libGL into a dir that is not checked. | 16:05 |
| hunger | Ridddell: update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.so.1.2 --slave ... fixes that nicely. | 16:06 |
| Riddell | tell that to the buildds :( | 16:07 |
| hunger | Riddell: The apt-listchanges seems to suggest that that was intended... | 16:07 |
| hunger | Riddell: Add that to the postinst;-) | 16:07 |
| nixternal | daskreech: pong? | 16:12 |
| ScottK | hunger: The #ubuntu-x folks are on it. | 16:23 |
| nixternal | ScottK: will it be fixed in time for us to have an alpha2 release on time? | 16:28 |
| ScottK | nixternal: I think so. I have made them aware that our alpha2 is contingent on it getting fixed. | 16:29 |
| nixternal | good deal...anything that needs working on, don't hesitate to chuck it my way | 16:30 |
| * jussi01 salutes whomever put the "ignore selection" bit in klipper | 16:30 | |
| al | ha, klipper does that automatically here | 16:32 |
| al | but only every 2nd selection | 16:32 |
| daskreech | nixternal: what was the name of the school that Redhat setup ? | 16:33 |
| al | it's so tremendously annoying i can hardly describe | 16:33 |
| nixternal | daskreech: I don't know its name...I emailed the guy who I am sure worked on the project or knows someone on the team | 16:34 |
| nixternal | awaiting an email | 16:34 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Lucid Alpha 1 Released! | mesa = "almost there, ... testing", 4.4 RC1 still stuck. Be careful out there | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Oustanding merges: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~lucas/merges.html |Congratulations to jussi01 | ||
| nixternal | "almost there" :) | 16:37 |
| ScottK | That's a quote of tseliot in #ubuntu-x. | 16:37 |
| jussi01 | :D | 16:40 |
| daskreech | nixternal: ok | 16:40 |
| nixternal | I am unbelievably tired today | 16:41 |
| jjesse | still recovering from shoveling? | 16:41 |
| nixternal | I didn't get to sleep until around 02:00 or 02:30, work up at 5 to go over and give my dad a ride to the airport...been awake ever since | 16:41 |
| nixternal | shovel it you | 16:41 |
| nixternal | we are warming up, supposed to have a high of 34F this week | 16:42 |
| nixternal | I am so wearing shorts that day | 16:42 |
| nixternal | yesterday was "don't wear pants" day for the trains, so I wore some snazzy silk boxers only and froze my ass off, literally | 16:43 |
| Riddell | umm, what? | 16:48 |
| Riddell | never mind, I don't want to know | 16:48 |
| Riddell | nixternal: what's the gossip with koffice? | 16:48 |
| nixternal | it is getting better? :) | 16:49 |
| nixternal | I built it locally, not debian packaging build, but regular cmake build to see what all we were missing | 16:49 |
| nixternal | KFormula is there, but I don't understand the dame thing...to me it seems that kword is missing a bunch of stuff...looking into all of that still | 16:50 |
| Riddell | I don't know I havn't looked at it | 16:50 |
| nixternal | once I have something I am happy with, I will share all of the information with all | 16:50 |
| nixternal | right now with current packaging, there are quite a few list-missing, but it could be for good reason, and I want to try and figure all of those out | 16:50 |
| wftl | My weekly question on the subject. Has anyone, anywhere, actually gotten akonadi to work with KDE 4.4 on Kubuntu Karmic? If so, can you tell me/us how? | 16:53 |
| Riddell | wftl: for what use? | 16:53 |
| wftl | I haven't been able to use Kontact for days because Akonadi is always starting up and never actually starts. | 16:53 |
| jjesse | wftl: is this the real wftl? | 16:53 |
| wftl | jjesse: Indeed. | 16:53 |
| wftl | [ insert appropriate smiley here ] | 16:54 |
| jjesse | haha | 16:54 |
| wftl | You mean there's a fake one floating about somewhere? | 16:54 |
| nixternal | I had akonadi working when I tried out kmail a couple of weeks ago...took me a minute to figure out an issue I had with google calendars akonadi plugin, but it seemed to be working | 16:54 |
| wftl | nixternal: not using anything other than classic file based calendar, contacts, etc. | 16:54 |
| jjesse | i tried under the beta but couldn't, now running RC but haven't tried | 16:54 |
| wftl | jjesse: I'm running the RC1 stuff. As you know, I follow this stuff quite closely. | 16:55 |
| nixternal | kmail constantly crashed with gmail offline imap for me, so I eventually gave up | 16:55 |
| wftl | Trouble is, I like Kontact. In fact, I love Kontact. I'd like to get it back. | 16:55 |
| Riddell | wftl: what doesn't work? | 17:03 |
| wftl | Riddell: exactly as I posted. It says 'starting Akonadi server" with the little progress bar going back and forth, and it never ends. | 17:06 |
| wftl | If I try to start Akonadi using the control panel, I get d-bus errors. | 17:07 |
| wftl | Akonadi server process not registered at D-bus. | 17:07 |
| wftl | Also, Nepomuk search service not registered at D-Bus | 17:08 |
| wftl | Apparently, the Akonadi control process is registered though. ;-) | 17:08 |
| Riddell | wftl: have you installed virtuoso? | 17:14 |
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| daskreech | wait win for the lose? | 17:28 |
| wftl | Riddell: sorry. Went for lunch. | 18:00 |
| wftl | Yes, I have installed virtuoso. | 18:00 |
| wftl | There were a bunch of updates today. Ever hopeful, I shall log out and back in. :-) See if that helps. | 18:01 |
| daskreech | Ha | 18:07 |
| daskreech | The akonadi symbol just popped up in my systray | 18:07 |
| daskreech | Whatever wftl did. THanks! :) | 18:07 |
| wftl | For anyone keeping track, installing latest Kubuntu updated packages, logging out (with reboot), then logging back in, did nothing to fix Aknonadi issues. | 18:09 |
| ScottK | wftl: Karmic or Lucid? | 18:10 |
| daskreech | And the indicator applet started working again | 18:11 |
| freinhard | if someone has some spare time left (haha ;) ) please have a look at the opensync packages in my ppa. i'd like to know if i made mistakes: https://launchpad.net/~freinhard/+archive/ppa/+packages | 18:11 |
| wftl | ScottK: Karmic | 18:25 |
| Riddell | who's a freenode staffer? | 19:17 |
| Riddell | nhandler? | 19:17 |
| nhandler | Riddell: Need something? | 19:28 |
| Riddell | nhandler: tzily needs kicked off network | 19:30 |
| Riddell | nhandler: abuse in #kubuntu then in /msg to me | 19:30 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| nhandler | Riddell: We don't kline on request. He is banned in #kubuntu, and you can use /ignore for the PM abuse. But I will definitely keep an eye on him | 19:32 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: could you promote icoutils to Main please? bug 505424 | 19:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 505424 in icoutils "KDE4.4 - Missing package dependences (icoutils needs MIR)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505424 | 19:48 |
| mcas | hi | 19:48 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: or is it proper to add the recommend, get kdebase-runtime uploaded, then it goes to component mismatches? | 19:50 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: That's the normal path, but him promoting it first is harmless, just it shows up in component mismatches going the other way until the upload is done. | 19:52 |
| JontheEchidna | the -runtime upload is waiting in bzr, at any rate | 19:56 |
| ScottK | It'd FTBFS now due to mesa anyway. | 19:56 |
| ScottK | I'd prefer to hold off until we get 4.4 rc1 built once so was know we have images for Alpha 2. | 19:57 |
| === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk | ||
| freinhard | Riddell: strigi failed because it requires debhelper 7.4 | 20:01 |
| nixternal | Riddell: ok, chatted with the koffice folks, have an idea now what needs to be there and what doesn't, so I am working on the koffice package now (2.1.1) | 20:09 |
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: debhelper merge might be good for your core-dev application. | 20:11 |
| JontheEchidna | a proper debhelper merge ;-) | 20:11 |
| ScottK | I said might. | 20:11 |
| ScottK | That would help. | 20:11 |
| nixternal | we really should have MIR'd koffice deps now that it is in main | 20:19 |
| nixternal | our package sucks and will continue to suck, leaving a very poor representation of koffice | 20:19 |
| nixternal | we should have MIR'd these deps before moving to main is what I really meant | 20:20 |
| JontheEchidna | koffice has been in main since forever | 20:21 |
| JontheEchidna | the deps should have been MIR'd before the 1->2 transition though | 20:22 |
| nixternal | JontheEchidna: koffice2 | 20:25 |
| nixternal | it is a nightmare, a piece of shit right now | 20:25 |
| nixternal | we did the conversion w/o thinking about its dependencies | 20:25 |
| nixternal | I fire up koffice and it seriously lacks damn near 50% of its features | 20:26 |
| JontheEchidna | that's what I said | 20:26 |
| nixternal | right | 20:26 |
| nixternal | so now I am going to MIR the deps, unless someone has already done that | 20:26 |
| JontheEchidna | fun | 20:29 |
| Riddell | nixternal: please go ahead | 20:36 |
| nixternal | updating some of the packages first | 20:41 |
| JontheEchidna | nixternal: I have a gtl update almost ready | 20:41 |
| JontheEchidna | *opengtl | 20:41 |
| nixternal | Riddell: hey, libspnav...the initial package was -dev only cuz upstream messed up I am assuming...I am updating the pacakge with will include libspnav0...do I need to run this through revu and new package it and everything? | 20:41 |
| nixternal | opengtl is in the libopenctl or whatever it is called right? | 20:42 |
| nixternal | that needs an MIR as well | 20:42 |
| JontheEchidna | right | 20:42 |
| JontheEchidna | darkroom'll need a rebuild afterwards, so I'm wondering if it shouldnt' wait until mesa is fixed | 20:43 |
| JontheEchidna | I suppose I could pbuild darkroom to find out ;-) | 20:43 |
| nixternal | hehe | 20:43 |
| ScottK | It'll need mesa. | 20:43 |
| ScottK | You may as well wait | 20:43 |
| nixternal | I need to get some money, as my build machine is starting to die....I am fairly certain the processor and motherboard are slowly dying | 20:43 |
| Riddell | nixternal: libspnav isn't a shared library, it's a static library | 20:43 |
| nixternal | Riddell: there is a shared library now for it | 20:44 |
| nixternal | Riddell: bug 325066 | 20:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 325066 in libspnav "only -dev package available, no shared lib" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/325066 | 20:44 |
| Riddell | hmm, there is a .so | 20:44 |
| Riddell | there probably was a reason why I didn't package it | 20:44 |
| Riddell | for some value of proably | 20:45 |
| nixternal | Riddell: right, the 0.2 package didn't have that | 20:45 |
| nixternal | upstream fixed that with 0.2.1 | 20:45 |
| Riddell | nixternal: is it versioned? | 20:45 |
| nixternal | yes, 0 :) | 20:46 |
| nixternal | so.0 | 20:46 |
| nixternal | >>> [1097] objdump -p libspnav.so.0.1 | grep SONAME SONAME libspnav.so.0 | 20:46 |
| Riddell | ok sorted, go and make a libspnav0 package | 20:47 |
| nixternal | done, adding a watch file, will build, test it out, and then upload | 20:48 |
| JontheEchidna | Could I get this merged into software-properties trunk? https://code.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/software-properties/fixes | 20:48 |
| freinhard | Riddell: is there a need for strigi to depend on debhelper >= 7.4? | 21:46 |
| tseliot | nixternal, ScottK: mesa was built. Shall I rebuild kdebase-workspace after I rebuild X? | 21:54 |
| Riddell | freinhard: shouldn't be, I'll fix it | 22:05 |
| Riddell | tseliot: yes please | 22:05 |
| Riddell | there will be lots which need rebuilding | 22:05 |
| tseliot | Riddell: I meant to say, only after, right? | 22:05 |
| Riddell | tseliot: kde4libs can go at the same time | 22:06 |
| Riddell | kdebase-runtime too | 22:06 |
| tseliot | oh, ok, did that for kde4libs | 22:08 |
| tseliot | i386 and amd64 | 22:08 |
| * freinhard wants a ppa rss feed | 22:10 | |
| tseliot | I re-triggered kdebase-runtime too | 22:10 |
| tseliot | Riddell: ^^ | 22:10 |
| tseliot | Riddell, nixternal, ScottK: if those builds fail again it's only because the packages are building against mesa 7.7-0ubuntu3 instead of 7.7-0ubuntu4. Triggering another rebuild should fix it | 22:19 |
| tseliot | i.e. don't panic ;) | 22:19 |
| * Riddell pats his copy of hitchhikers guide | 22:19 | |
| JontheEchidna | three cheers for tseliot | 22:19 |
| tseliot | :-) | 22:20 |
| JontheEchidna | tseliot: by the way, would you happen to know if the next planned jockey upload to lucid is going to be based off of jockey trunk? | 22:20 |
| tseliot | JontheEchidna: AFAIK it should be based on ubuntu-core-dev | 22:21 |
| tseliot | where my last changes are | 22:21 |
| tseliot | (for nvidia, alternatives, etc.) | 22:21 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: icoutils promoted | 22:22 |
| JontheEchidna | I'm curious as to when exactly changes made to trunk meander over towards the ubuntu-core-dev branch | 22:22 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe I should poke pitti | 22:23 |
| tseliot | yes, I hadn't touched jockey for a long time before my last commit | 22:23 |
| tseliot | so pitti is the only one who can answer that question | 22:23 |
| Riddell | I thought jockey used a trunk branch and had a packaging branch which was trunk+debian directory | 22:23 |
| Riddell | since it's ment to be an upstream project | 22:24 |
| tseliot | some files (i.e. the handlers) are in different directories | 22:24 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: looking at software-properties | 22:24 |
| tseliot | as the handlers are more ubuntu specific | 22:24 |
| tseliot | Riddell: I'll keep an eye on the kde builds but I don't know how long I'll manage to keep my eyes open | 22:27 |
| tseliot | it's been a pretty intense day | 22:27 |
| Riddell | tseliot: we'll keep an eye too | 22:27 |
| tseliot | ok, good | 22:27 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: merged, should I upload? | 22:29 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: yes please | 22:29 |
| Riddell | kdebase-runtime failed to compile! | 22:35 |
| * Riddell panics | 22:35 | |
| tseliot | :-D | 22:35 |
| tseliot | re-rebuilding | 22:36 |
| tseliot | for amd64 and i386 at least | 22:37 |
| al | "building a distribution by trial and error" would make for a good book title ;) | 22:37 |
| tseliot | heh | 22:40 |
| ScottK | mesa should be good as of about now. | 22:45 |
| ScottK | It takes until :45 after for the publisher run to finish | 22:45 |
| tseliot | let's see how it goes this time | 22:46 |
| * ScottK just hit kdemultimedia on amd64. It's one of the one affected. | 22:48 | |
| ScottK | The curren -workspace can't go until after kde4libs finished | 22:48 |
| ScottK | finished/finishes | 22:48 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Can you rescore kdemultimedia on amd64? | 22:49 |
| tseliot | ScottK: also I think we should wait for X to rebuild | 22:50 |
| Riddell | anyone on karmic able to test amarok 2.2.2 from kubuntu-ppa/backports ? | 22:54 |
| ScottK | tseliot: OK. Well it'll succeed or fail at this point. | 22:54 |
| * ScottK won't kick any more off | 22:55 | |
| tseliot | ScottK: as you wish | 22:55 |
| genii | Riddell: So how do I go about testing Amarok 2.2.2 ? | 22:55 |
| Riddell | genii: add this PPA https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports | 22:56 |
| genii | OK | 22:56 |
| genii | https and not http ? | 22:56 |
| Riddell | launchpad uses https, that's a web page, see "Technical details about this PPA" for the sources.list line | 22:57 |
| Riddell | amarok folks, why does About Amarok say "Using KDE 4.3.2 (KDE 4.3.2)" when About KDE says "Platform Version 4.3.90 (KDE 4.3.90 (KDE 4.4 RC1))" ? | 22:59 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Which PPA did you build it in? | 23:00 |
| Riddell | mm, backports | 23:00 |
| Riddell | build time value I guess then, how confusing | 23:01 |
| ScottK | BTW, the backports PPA should build against the backports pocket (I think). It appears it doesn't currently | 23:01 |
| ScottK | I can't tell from the backscroll: Is it known that the current kde4libs builds are failing due to being built with the old mesa? | 23:02 |
| Riddell | "don't panic" was tseliot's instructions | 23:02 |
| ScottK | OK. | 23:03 |
| tseliot | ScottK: yes, that was with the old mesa | 23:03 |
| ScottK | tseliot: What X package are we waiting for? | 23:03 |
| tseliot | ScottK: xorg-server, which failed for the same reason | 23:04 |
| tseliot | ScottK: it looks like X built but I don't know if it has been published already | 23:05 |
| ScottK | OK, so powerpc and i386 finished before the publisher run, so we ought to be OK for them in ~40 minutes | 23:05 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Looks like xorg-server is the most important one to get on amd64 | 23:05 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: thanks for covering that new soft-props unicode bug - u beat me to it :-) | 23:13 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: (btw, u might want to use utf8() instead of unicode(), to cover all cases) | 23:13 |
| Riddell | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.2.2 | 23:26 |
| * ScottK larts JontheEchidna for not updating bzr after the last quassel upload. | 23:26 | |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: I used utf8 at first, but that crashed the program as well (with a different error) | 23:30 |
| JontheEchidna | er, I think it was the other way around. | 23:30 |
| JontheEchidna | I used unicode, but it caused a crash, so I used utf8 | 23:31 |
| ScottK | tseliot: kdemultimedia built on amd64 with the new mesa and the old X. | 23:31 |
| * ScottK it out for a while. | 23:31 | |
| JontheEchidna | no, it was utf8 caused the issues, I think | 23:31 |
| tseliot | ScottK: this is great news :-) | 23:31 |
| nixternal | ok, so opengtl was updated by JontheEchidna, I just uploaeded a new libspnav, getting ready to update glew, have a couple of more to check, and then it will be on to the wonderful world of MIRs | 23:33 |
| JontheEchidna | rock on | 23:33 |
| Riddell | nixternal: MIRs are pretty easy now, no wiki page to fill in, just a bug report | 23:34 |
| nixternal | yup | 23:35 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: strange... I hope it's not a symptom of another lurking bug... | 23:44 |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: I have the trace, if you'd like to see it | 23:45 |
| amichair | sure | 23:45 |
| JontheEchidna | http://pastebin.ca/1747591 | 23:45 |
| amichair | btw, is there any qa done at all on our developed packages? | 23:47 |
| amichair | (other than our own before committing) | 23:47 |
| Riddell | our community is our QA? | 23:47 |
| Riddell | I tested JontheEchidna's fix before merging | 23:48 |
| nixternal | does lucid support quilt source format 3.0? | 23:48 |
| Riddell | but nothing terribly formal, we don't have the manpower for formality I suspect | 23:48 |
| Riddell | nixternal: yes | 23:48 |
| nixternal | groovy | 23:48 |
| nixternal | thanks | 23:48 |
| JontheEchidna | new wallpapa: http://imagebin.ca/view/Pp1pl3h.html | 23:48 |
| JontheEchidna | I think it's going to be default, looking at the svn log | 23:49 |
| amichair | Riddell: community as qa is mostly post-release (except for show-stopper bugs which are likely picked up in alpha by the first person to use them) | 23:49 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: that'll do nicely | 23:49 |
| nixternal | you would almost think kwwii was making these wallpapers...all these damn bubbles :) | 23:49 |
| amichair | Riddell: maybe some of the newcomers, who are normally pointed at triaging, can instead be pointed at some qa | 23:50 |
| amichair | or better integrate the two as a task | 23:51 |
| nixternal | ahh, that damn mesa | 23:52 |
| nixternal | cc -shared -Wl,-soname=libGLEW.so.1.5 -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -o lib/libGLEW.so.1.5.1 src/glew.pic_o -lXmu -lXi -lGLU -lGL -lXext -lX11 -lGL | 23:52 |
| nixternal | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLU | 23:52 |
| nixternal | I am guessing that is related the mesa mess? | 23:53 |
| Riddell | that's the one | 23:54 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: strange, that bug - there are no groupbox titles with non-ascii chars in them (in the .ui files) | 23:57 |
| JontheEchidna | amichair: the translations would have non-ascii characters though | 23:58 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, but that functions's supposed to translate them... | 23:59 |
| JontheEchidna | weird | 23:59 |
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