[00:04] <gord> MenZa, thats prolly not an appropriate link for -ot
[00:04] <MenZa> gord: I disagree.
[00:04] <MenZa> gord: it's of principled nature.
[00:04] <MenZa> gord: also, note my sarcasm.
[00:05] <gord> MenZa, you can rally against other causes all you want but its still not appropriate for -ot, if it were anyone else i would of taken more action
[00:06] <MenZa> gord: I still disagree heavily. I don't find it inappropriate in any way
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[00:07] <MenZa> last I checked, gord, computer-related politics was fair game in -ot
[00:07] <gord> its not the politics thats the problem MenZa
[00:07] <gord> obviously
[00:08] <gord> its the "how to make a pipe bomb" part
[00:08] <MenZa> gord: what, coat a tube in pink and paint ponies on it, fill it with an explosive substance and light it on fire?
[00:09] <MenZa> that doesn't seem like a massive brainsqueezer.
[00:09] <gord> its still really not appropriate for -ot
[00:10] <MenZa> I wouldn't call it inappropriate.
[00:14] <Seeker`> haven;t looked at the link, but the URL seems like it would be unsuitable
[00:17] <MenZa> Seeker`: The URL does not explain what the post is about, at all.
[00:48] <tritium> CosmicPizza (wanadoo.fr hostmask) is idle, and in 16 US LoCo channels, along with #ubuntu and #ubuntu-fr.  Any idea if it's a bot of some kind?
[00:49] <Seeker`> msg them with !google, see what happens (seen bots do that before)
[00:50] <tritium> ok
[00:50] <tritium> No response.
[00:52] <niko> hum
[00:52] <niko> good catch
[00:53] <niko> he didn't nothing, no message for months
[00:53] <niko> his client is Xchat
[00:53] <niko> his ctcp.
[00:59] <niko> suspicious anyway
[01:00] <MenZa> meh, as long as he/she/it doesn't do anything malicious, *shrug*
[01:01] <niko> depends channels, in #ubuntu-fr we disallow any kind of bot
[01:01] <niko> but will we see
[01:02] <nhandler> I'm seeing a CosmicPizza that participated in a few discussions, for instance: http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2007/10/21/%23ubuntu-georgia.html
[01:03] <tritium> ok
[01:03] <tritium> It just looked a bit odd, at first.
[01:04] <niko> thanks nhandler
[02:12]  * jrib invites Amaranth_ to stay
[02:12] <Amaranth_> heh
[07:52] <WireWulf> thats odd i shouldnt be wirewulf
[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <Flannel> Howdy dholbach
[08:00] <dholbach> hi Flannel
[08:14] <MenZa> morning dholbach
[08:15] <dholbach> hey MenZa
[09:11] <elky> maco, are you still up?
[13:04] <bazhang> holy is sp0rtily
[13:05] <topyli> oh
[13:05] <bazhang> groovyOrange grow-as-apple etc
[13:06] <topyli> oh yes, i remember n=ilya
[13:06] <topyli> realname, rather
[13:12] <topyli> evading, it seems. i see bans in effect
[13:17] <elky> i should hope they are. he's yet to acknowledge that creepiness isn't ok
[13:19] <Pici> so...
[13:20] <topyli> indeed
[13:21] <topyli> remove, invite, what
[13:21] <bazhang> want me to PM him?
[13:22] <elky> worth a fresh try
[13:22] <elky> if it gets circular, bring him here
[13:31] <jpds> tsimpson: Can we have a way of pruning the bans database?
[13:31] <jpds> bans.db : 384.36M
[13:32] <jpds> I dunno, bans which have been removed and older than 2 years -> delete.
[13:32] <tsimpson> we should come up with a set period ban data is kept for, and a way to have exceptions
[13:32] <bazhang> holy, hi
[13:32] <holy> What?
[13:33] <bazhang> thanks for joining
[13:34] <holy> this is mIRC and it is very unusual. Although, I remember ikonia asked something in here...
[13:35] <bazhang> holy, you are ban-evading in #ubuntu-offtopic ; formerly user known as groovyOrange, grow-as-apples, and more
[13:35] <holy> That's a crime! :)
[13:36] <bazhang> it's against network policy
[13:36] <holy> He should grow as a good kid maybe. lol
[13:36] <holy> no
[13:36] <holy> I have asked for this set of names recently
[13:36] <holy> starting from ilya, ilya_
[13:37] <bazhang> it's best to discuss here to have the ban removed, rather than switch IP address and ban-evade
[13:37] <holy> And finally this name
[13:38] <holy> I can not switch IP, DNS are automatic or maybe some default ones. But let's unban me, OK.
[13:39] <elky> holy, do you know why you're banned?
[13:40] <holy> no
[13:42] <elky> are you sure? we talked to you a lot when you were using your fruity nicknames
[13:44] <elky> bazhang, are you still discussing with him or do you need another's input?
[13:44] <holy> i din't use anything.
[13:45] <bazhang> elky, he never responded to my PM, other than my asking to join here
[13:45] <holy> What? It's like you're talking about me!
[13:46] <elky> holy, we keep records of our bans so we know why they are there when we have to deal with others bans. this means we have information about your past behaviour
[13:47] <elky> i can paste a list of your old nicknames, but i'd rather not as this is a logged channel
[13:47] <elky> however, we do need to discuss your behaviour. people find that you make them very uncomfortable
[13:47] <elky> can you think why this may be?
[13:47] <holy> What do you mean by "logged channel"?
[13:48] <elky> !logs
[13:48] <elky> everything we say here is recorded in to "logs" which google can see.
[13:48] <holy> The names contain words or phrases which are censored.
[13:49] <elky> this is for your protection as much as mine
[13:49] <elky> no, the logs are not censored
[13:49] <elky> #ubuntu is logged too.
[13:50] <holy> We shall probably hide some bad names and discover another. This make sence if we're about the content which educates our children.
[13:50] <elky> holy, please focus on the questions i am asking you
[13:51] <holy> IPs should generally be protected with a cloak, as folks at #freenode say.
[13:51] <elky> people find that you make them very uncomfortable. can you think why you might make them uncomfortable?
[13:52] <holy> So send me these names by an email. I pasted my Email at #. . . few times already -- so it's personal but it was seen by many people.
[13:52] <holy> yes
[13:52] <elky> and why do you think that is?
[13:54] <elky> holy, please answer me
[13:55] <holy> Tonyyarusso, for example, usually doesn't get the fact I don't know many English words and talks with me just as I'm his 'English' pal. But I sometimes don't even have a dictionary.
[13:55] <holy> I don't know English and annoy people.
[13:55] <elky> holy, what in *your* behaviour makes other people scared around you?
[13:57] <elky> i can show examples. i want to see if you understand
[13:58] <holy> What?
[13:59] <holy> I think I may understand what you are about to try to say, but I don't want to spend your time.
[13:59] <elky> holy, i can find examples of you asking people their weight in #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:59] <elky> do you realise why this is bad?
[14:00] <holy> They would go further in the stress and devotion?
[14:01] <elky> you also made some comments about stalking.
[14:01] <elky> do you realise why this is bad?
[14:02] <holy> stalking?
[14:02] <elky> yes.
[14:03] <holy> no, I don't understand what do you mean by this word, stalking. The definition I find is weird
[14:04] <elky> what definition did you find?
[14:05] <holy> hunting for someone to, probably, talk to
[14:06] <elky> that is correct.
[14:06] <elky> do you know that following people can make them scared?
[14:07] <holy> This sounds unnormal. So say what was it said about.
[14:07] <elky> especially when you ask them personal questions such as if they are fat or skinny
[14:07] <holy> elky chatting isn't so scaring.
[14:07] <elky> it is when you want private information
[14:07] <elky> someone's weight is private information if you cannot see it
[14:08] <elky> do you like it when people ask you things you do *not* want to say to them?
[14:08] <holy> I'm sitting sick at home because I fought with 10 drunken teenagers few days ago. they could kill me.
[14:08] <elky> that's not what we're discussing
[14:09] <holy> Few days and I will go back to work. Although, will hve to walk at night, anyway..
[14:09] <holy> elky they always ask it.
[14:10] <elky> that's not what i asked. i asked if you are happy for people to ask you information you want to keep private
[14:10] <holy> many people asked where am i live and i have given them some place i know about
[14:10] <holy> I was very inventing one, not the scary one... :)
[14:11] <holy> elky One person on IRC advised me to say something consistent but imaginery.
[14:11] <holy> So I do.
[14:11] <elky> sigh. since you cannot take seriously that you scare people by asking them *private* details they want to keep as secrets, then I cannot unban you.
[14:11] <holy> private information?
[14:11] <elky> yes
[14:11] <holy> like weight?
[14:12] <elky> i cannot see your weight from here. it is a secret. you cannot see mine. it is also a secret
[14:12] <elky> i do not want to tell you that secret and would be scared of you if you asked
[14:12] <holy> and like what else?
[14:13] <holy> elky So these are probably people from some closed chats. Not from e.g. #english or #running.
[14:14] <holy> Also, what if I have registered names after someone has asked it?
[14:14] <elky> holy, you asked personal private information about people and you made them scared. you talked about stalking, and you made more people scared. you are not sorry for either. why would i be mean to the users and let you scare them again?
[14:15] <holy> I stalked ot talked about stalking? I don't understand, tell what you intended to say directly.
[14:16] <elky> you talked about it like it was good
[14:17] <elky> and asked what people looked like. and whether they were fat or skinny. it is very very creepy to do that.
[14:17] <holy> Prove it. Someone with this name, probably not even identified, were talking about something and I have to discuss it!?
[14:17] <elky> you called people tyrants for being scared of you
[14:17] <holy> I yes saw watch one time a sexual scene with male gays. But not more! :)
[14:18] <Myrtti> right
[14:18] <holy> I never ask this shit.
[14:18] <Myrtti> I think this discussion is over
[14:19] <elky> Myrtti, agreed. holy, your ban will *NOT* be lifted.
[14:19] <bazhang> oh well worth a try
[14:19] <Myrtti> I wouldn't say that in the light of my backlog
[14:20] <Myrtti> utter waste of time
[14:20] <ikonia> he/she speaks english fine under the other nicknames - so that's nonsense
[14:20] <bazhang> yep
[14:22] <elky> it's probably a scrutiny thing. when it really counts, he chokes. the hesitations are there.
[14:23] <jpds> wut.
[14:24] <elky> either way, his attitude has not improved in the least
[14:24] <elky> and i am so not going to point the creep to the people who he creeped out in 2008
[14:26] <elky> .oO(It's been that long? lolwut where did my year go?)
[15:21] <Myrtti> oh lol
[15:21] <Myrtti> I was just !attitude'd at #ubuntu
[15:21] <Myrtti> it made me lol
[15:22] <genii> Myrtti: Me too
[15:28] <tsimpson> Myrtti: at least it was by a troll :)
[15:29] <Pici> It usually is.
[15:38] <Pici> ikonia: thanks?
[15:38] <ikonia> snigger
[15:38]  * ikonia trolls pici
[15:47]  * Pici suggests keeping an eye on irc9
[15:48] <ikonia> noted
[15:48] <ikonia> nice ident
[15:48] <Pici> you mean host. But yes.
[15:48] <ikonia> yes
[18:13] <tommy3> can someone check to see why I am banned on #ubuntu, and if it can be cleared.
[18:14] <jussi01> tommy3: just a moment please
[18:28] <tommy3> jussi01: still there?
[18:28] <Pici> tommy3: We just were discussing the issue, the ban has been removed.
[18:29] <tommy3> Pici: Thanks. I can only guess that someone in my company did something and got the ip banned. Dont remember doing anything myself.
[18:31] <jussi01> tommy3: possibly. In anycase it would be a good idea to peruse the guidelines a little and make sure everything is good ;)
[18:31] <jussi01> !guidelines
[18:31] <Pici> jussi01: thanks, just distracted a bit here.
[18:32] <Pici> er
[18:33] <jussi01> tommy3: Enjoy your stay in ubuntu :) If theres anything else you need from the ops, feel free to join back here :)
[18:38] <jussi01> tommy3: is there anything else you need from us?
[18:40] <jussi01> tommy3: ?
[18:40] <Pici> !away > Claudiu__
[18:41] <jussi01> hehe, I was just going to do that
[18:43] <jussi01> Bryanstein: is there something we can help you with?
[18:54] <pressenter> Good afternoob.
[18:54] <pressenter> I'm an op from #ubuntu-pl and we have a problem, cause our owner hasnt been showing like 4 or 5 months now and we pretty much cant do anything.
[18:55] <pressenter> Is there a way to do something with this, if we have no contact with the owner?
[18:57] <tsimpson> pressenter: #ubuntu-irc is the best place to discuss this
[18:57] <pressenter> K, thanks.
[19:02] <pressenter> Take care.
[20:07]  * Myrtti facepalms
[20:08] <topyli> Bryanstein, can we help you?
[20:10] <Myrtti> idle 11hrs
[20:10] <topyli> ghrmfpf
[20:10] <Pici> Thats why we use /remove and not /kick
[20:10] <Myrtti> yup
[20:11] <Myrtti> seems just weird that someone like a admin of a shell provider would have autojoin-on-kick on, though
[20:11] <Myrtti> old saying of the jungle "kick is not an invite"
[20:12] <Myrtti> "TUT-TUT"
[20:14] <Myrtti> mneptok: I trust you are pm'ing him?
[20:22] <mneptok> nope
[20:22] <mneptok> but i'll respond if he asks. and he's in another channel i'm in
[20:44] <Myrtti> could someone confirm what I just saw on #ubuntu?
[20:45] <mneptok> confirmed.
[21:07] <guntbert> please have someone an eye on master_: in #ubuntu? I'm not sure if he is only a little too eager to help...
[21:11] <nhandler> Alright, thanks for the heads up guntbert
[21:11] <guntbert> nhandler: np :)
[21:28] <Myrtti> !cloak > Tayl