[00:00] update-manager-core yay [02:11] hi === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [02:53] hello [02:54] is there anyone that can help me for a minut [02:54] minute* [02:55] !anyone > Guest49270 [02:55] Guest49270, please see my private message [03:00] hi how do i add up a temporarry sudoers..on my ubuntu server.. [03:03] anyone..? [03:04] yes i see , does anyone know how to use cat to write to the /etc/network/interfaces file, [03:04] ruben23: Add them to the admin group [03:05] Guest49270: You don't use cat to write. Use nono or vim or so. Like: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces or: sudo vim /etc/network/interfaces [03:05] I am attempting to make a script to automate the proccess [03:07] the problem is when i use cat to append to the file even with su i get the "bash: /etc/network/interfaces: Permission denied" error [03:10] ?is there another way i can do it === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [03:11] Guest49270: cat somefile | sudo tee /etc/network/interfaces (optionally with -a for append instead of replace/create) [03:11] Guest49270: I suggest using sudoedit [03:12] where would the -a go? [03:12] Guest49270: if you don't know, you probably shouldn't be using tee. [03:12] and sudo edit doesn;t work ether [03:12] i can learn [03:13] Guest49270: sudoedit has no space between sudo and edit. One command, sudoedit. [03:13] Guest49270: To learn about tee, man tee [03:13] rutri@Athena:/media/STORAGE/Scripts$ sudoedit echo "# Bridged network interface" >> /etc/network/interfaces [03:13] bash: /etc/network/interfaces: Permission denied [03:13] rutri@Athena:/media/STORAGE/Scripts$ [03:14] im looking at tee now [03:14] Guest49270: Huh? WHat are you doing? sudoedit takes one parameter, the file to be edited. [03:14] hmmm [03:14] ok === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [03:15] so how would i use sudoedit in a script file? [03:16] You wouldn't. You can't generally use sudo or sudoedit in an unattended script, it is likely to prompt you for a password... [03:16] yes well i want to automate the edit [03:17] Why would you need to automatically re-edit your network interfaces file?? [03:17] also the tee command will not work for my needs [03:17] because i am making an installation script [03:17] Guest49270: Then it should be run as root and there is no need for sudo at all. [03:18] The installer runs as root... [03:18] yes i have done that using the command "sudo ./myfile.sh" [03:18] i get the same problem [03:18] That's not an installation script... you'd need to already have an installed system to be able to do that. [03:19] hmm [03:19] When and how will this "installation script" be run? be specific. [03:19] * genii makes more coffee, hands out the mugs [03:19] genii: FSVO mug = drip bag [03:19] For automated installations you want to read up on preseeding and perhaps kickstart. [03:19] well do the standard install then i am making a script to install the other applications I want to use like KVM in this case. [03:20] Guest49270: that should be done via preseeding [03:20] Definitely preseeding [03:20] hmm ok [03:20] Guest49270: preseeding is documented in the installation-guide [03:21] will that allow me to make my own iso for ubuntu? [03:21] Guest49270: you don't need to, but that could be done. [03:22] so preseeding is the only way? [03:22] It's the Right Way [03:23] You could pay around using echo foo |sudo tee -a somefile # But it's ugly and you don't seem to know enough to avoid possibly bad things if you make mistakes in that script... [03:23] ok that would be in the ubuntu documentation? [03:23] Guest49270: apt-get installation-guide [03:23] *apt-get install [03:23] if i kill the system i can always renstall [03:24] https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/powerpc/preseed-using.html [03:25] You are the system administrator of this machine. Learn the tools of your trade. [03:25] on second I am looking at it [03:25] Guest49270: note that he linked to the PPC version [03:26] lol im a programmer this is for my house depending on how much time is involved i may just do it all manually [03:26] apt-get should give you the version appropriate for your Ubuntu release and architecture. [03:26] Ah... just whatever Google found me... [03:27] yes i am googling it as well [03:27] i did find this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/UnattendedCD [03:28] the document also referencces the PPC version as well [03:29] Come on... https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/amd64/appendix-preseed.html for the AMD64 version. [03:30] Hm. In https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/i386/index.html 'Installing Ubuntu 9.04 "Jaunty Jackelope" for i386' When the url should point to Karmic [03:30] yes looking at it [03:30] genii: Good catch, file a documentation bug :) [03:31] jmarsden: Will do [03:31] The URL does point to Karmic, at least. [03:31] genii: installation-guide is maintained in SVN, IIRC. You should submit a patch. [03:31] what i may do is just copy over the existing file as sudo [03:31] Guest49270: suggest you investigate puppet/chef/cfengine [03:32] twb: For one machine? Seems overkill, since he doesn't want to spend the time even to learn preseeding :) [03:32] yes [03:32] jmarsden: true [03:32] I don't understand why he's scripting an install of ONE machine in the first place === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [03:33] Guest49270: Now you have at least 3 ways to do this: (a) echo stuff |sudo tee -a /path/to/file (b) sudoedit /path/to/file (c) sudo cp newfile /path/to/file (d) use preseeding. [03:33] i want to automate it and i know a bit out about scripts so i figured i could just make a script file to automate it. [03:34] the reason I am making a script file is because I do not want to do this again the next time i mess up my server [03:34] Guest49270: Oh, five: (e) sudo -s and then run the script in a root shell. [03:34] So pick one and do it. [03:34] Guest49270: the right way to do that would be to make backups of /etc (e.g. etckeeper), and to keep a small notepad listing the changes you make [03:34] Guest49270: it will be FAR more reliable than a scripted process [03:35] jmarsden: sudo -i (usually) beats sudo -s [03:35] sure [03:35] Guest49270: here's an example: http://twb.ath.cx/Preferences/doc/ymir-changelog.txt [03:36] twb: Re -i vs -s, sure... but for editing a few files it doesn't seem likely to make a difference. [03:36] jmarsden: well, it means that root will own your emacs .saveplaces.eld file :-) [03:36] well i figured if i used a script then i could just run the script next time instead of using the notes. since a script would be as easy as writing notes i would save time doing it. [03:36] New bug: #505045 in dhcp3 (main) "DHCP timeout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505045 [03:37] ill look up sudo -i and -s that may work. [03:37] Guest49270: You've spent about 40 minutes so far. How long does writing notes take? [03:37] one question. [03:38] so is the "bash: /etc/network/interfaces: Permission denied" because sudo does not have write access or because the file is already open? [03:39] No, it is because the redirection is happening as you not as root. Sounds like you may understand less about scripting that you think. [03:39] that is verry likely [03:40] hence, this is also a learning experience [03:40] im used to doing direct function calls in C i dont know much about the ubuntu [03:40] When you do somecommand -whatever -options >>somefile # the >>filefile is done in that shell running that command. Even if that command is sudo or su. [03:41] ic [03:41] BTW the same is true in the Windows shell... and in Solaris and whatever other OS you may be familiar with. this is not Ubuntu specific. [03:42] It's not true in Genera [03:43] so the shell does not have access because it is running as my user not truly as root. This must be what they talked about in the ubuntu documentation. [03:43] twb: What fraction of newcomers would be familiar with Genera but not all the other shells? :) [03:43] Guest49270: Yes. [03:43] ok i will try the sudo -i then [03:44] well let me see what it does brb [03:45] jmarsden: Genera isn't a shell, it's an OS [03:45] twb: So if one ported bash to Genera it would suddenly behave differently in this regard? Seems odd... [03:45] Probably people who went to SAIL in the 70s and then switched to, say, a med degree would be familiar with it and not bash [03:45] so sudo -i logs you in as root? [03:46] jmarsden: Genera is a Symbolics Lisp emulator for Alphas [03:46] Just as an example of a place where >>foo won't perform redirection [03:47] Guest49270: In effect. It creates you a root shell and goes through the root login process to set up your environment. It doesn't actually log you in directly as root, you can (for example) suspend that shell and get back to your original shell. [03:47] so would the command "sudo -i -k myfile.sh" would be correct? [03:48] i added -k to force the system to ask for a password after [03:48] how do you set a static ip with ifconfig [03:48] twb: For other examples, CP/M from the 1980s or DOS from before DOS 2.11 also lack such redirection :) [03:48] just one shot type a thing [03:49] sabgenton: sudo /sbin/ifconfig eth0 1.2.3.4 [03:49] jmarsden: will that work on wifi? [03:49] or do i need iwconfig [03:49] sabgenton: I have no idea. [03:49] ok thats a start thanks [03:50] You're welcome. [03:50] jmarsden: why do you give the full path out of interest? [03:50] sabgenton: An abundance of caution, and in case you don't have /sbin in your $PATH. [03:50] ah [03:50] thought so see [03:51] :) [03:51] hmm sudo -i and -s didn't work ether [03:51] the file must be getting used by the os [03:51] Type sudo -i # no other parameters. In the root shell, run the script. [03:52] You are making this about 100x harder than it needs to be. [03:52] sudo -i ./test.sh [03:52] NO! [03:52] sudo -i [03:52] Then, in the shell, ./myscript.sh # or whatever [03:52] ok [03:52] one second [03:54] still didnt work [03:54] the confusing part is that another file is generated [03:55] jmarsden: It may have been more proper to do iwconfig as it let me auto complete but it work with ifconfig [03:55] :) [03:55] Guest49270: Then your script is probably broken. pastebin the script and pastebin the command you typed and what output you got. [03:55] file:///etc/network/interfaces/r/r is what is generated [03:56] Guest49270: BTW you have now spent 1 hour on this... wouldn't writing notes have been simpler and quicker? [03:56] yes [03:56] That's a local URL on your machine. Noone else can use it. [03:56] but i want to know why this is not working [03:56] Then pastebin the stuff I asked for. [03:57] jmarsden:after just fiddling with hostapd config with bit's of peaces i got of the net i got AP mode working! [03:57] sabgenton: Good. [03:57] is there a way i can send you my script jmarsden? [03:57] it's actually better than the depreciated madwifi [03:58] Guest49270: Yes, use pastebin [03:58] !pastebin [03:58] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://ubuntu.pastebin.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [03:58] !pastebinit [03:58] pastebinit is the command-line equivelent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit [03:58] well so far the same card I once used is apsolutley responsive [03:58] madwifi was way more bumpy! [03:58] unless it improved to [03:58] but I doubt it [03:58] ath5k rules! [03:59] :D [03:59] sabgenton: That's quite a change from your crying about the loss of madwifi-tools yesterday :) [03:59] *=erm* *cough* [03:59] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d106f3920 [03:59] :j [03:59] Today he knows better [04:00] :D [04:00] well at least I'm still not moaning today :D [04:00] (others might) [04:00] :) [04:00] jmarsden did i do it correctly? [04:01] Guest49270: Yes. Now also pastebin me the command you typed to run it and the output it generated, please. [04:02] Guest49270: Um. Was this script file created in Windows? So it has DOS CRLF line endings in it?? [04:02] well i dont need to pastebin that, it was "sudo ./myscript.sh" [04:02] hmm it should not have been [04:02] maybe thats whats messing it up [04:03] OK. the line spacing looks weird... what does file myscript.sh output? [04:03] Oh, and there is a ! missing from the first line, it should read #!/bin/bash [04:03] i was wondering why i seen the two carrage returns at the end of the filename. [04:03] yes [04:04] well the script was not running with the ! in the file [04:04] Guest49270: But you failed to inform the channel of this... [04:04] i dont think ubuntu has bash in it [04:04] :) [04:04] im sorry for that [04:04] i did not think it was important [04:04] Your crlf line endings broke it. Ubuntu has bash but does not have bash\r :) [04:05] i thought that is used to make sure the script only runs in a bash shell [04:05] Had you mentioned that we could have solved that a LONG time ago. [04:05] ahh [04:05] What does file myscript.sh output? [04:05] that woould eplain the \r in the file name [04:05] interfaces\r\r [04:06] Indeed. [04:06] ok now that i know what is wrong [04:06] how do i conver to unix? [04:06] Fix it with dos2unix and then run it again. [04:06] convert8 [04:06] thank you [04:06] (and put the ! back in there) [04:06] You're welcome. [04:07] And next time use a Linux text editor for writing your scripts :) [04:07] i have been [04:07] WHich one? [04:07] gedit [04:07] Hmmm. I've never seen gedit add CRLF line endings to a newly created file. [04:07] if i were using my normal one it would ask me if i wanted to convert it [04:07] well i can explain that [04:08] i used an old script [04:08] i think the file was started in windows [04:08] Guest49270: And the old script... OK. [04:08] then i took over with gedit [04:08] gedit will use whatever is already there. [04:08] exactly [04:08] however it does not inform me of that [04:09] Correct. Emacs does. [04:09] yea [04:09] i have one more quick question [04:10] is there a way to change my default editor in ubuntu [04:10] jmarsden: "Emacs does" - Isn't that a valid response to pretty much any question? [04:10] erichammond: Good point :) Except for questions like "does your editor crash regularly?" :) [04:11] Guest49270: Yes. export EDITOR=/usr/bin/emacs # is one way :) [04:11] You can stick that or something like it in your ~/.bashrc [04:11] yes [04:11] i have had problems using the bashrc before [04:12] but thats something totally different i guess [04:12] Probably. if you prefer, use the select-editor command instead. [04:12] hi is it possible to create directory service for 2 networks like network1-all linux client and network2 all are windows client.. [04:12] That's newer and Ubuntu-specific, I just set EDITOR=emacs :) [04:13] well I am more familiar with the gui so i tend to used gnome [04:13] i wanted to change what editor gets used when i double click the files and hit display [04:14] Bah, EDITOR is for line editors. VISUAL. [04:14] Also, emacsclient -c -t -A '' is your friend. [04:15] yea i use ultraedit [04:15] ruben23: Two different directory services (such as Fedora Directory Server) on the same server? That might be interesting... why would you need two different directory services? [04:15] Guest49270: This channel is #ubuntu-server. Ubuntu Server does not have a GUI. [04:16] yes [04:16] jmarsden: my network will have windows client on a single network and linux client on another network.. [04:16] and the administration is on one only [04:16] the script is being run on ubuntu server thats why im here [04:16] i mean the admin will adminster all of them..is it possible [04:16] ruben23: Yes, but why can't they share one directory service? [04:17] im making modifications on a pc with ubuntu desktop [04:17] jmarsden: cant it be possible single directory service on windows and linux client..? [04:17] then send it to the server over an nfs share [04:17] like one single server adminstration for them all [04:19] ruben23: As far as I know it can. Ah... sorry, I misread your question, I think. [04:19] jmarsden: what application can i used for it..? [04:19] ruben23: I think you could use Fedora Directory service on both networks at once. [04:20] Fedora Directory service can manage windows client..? [04:20] what do i need to install to use dos2unix? [04:21] nm [04:21] got it, suto apt-get install tofrodos [04:21] sudo* [04:23] ok now i get bash: ./test.sh: /bin/bash/: bad interpreter: Not a directory [04:23] Guest49270: Unwanted extra trailing / on the first line of your script. [04:23] Guest49270: Should be #!/bin/bash [04:24] no i used the program you suggested to convert the script file [04:24] Right, and there is another bug in the scirpt, and unwanted extra trailing / character on the first line. [04:24] Remove it. [04:25] You want: #!/bin/bash You have: #!/bin/bash/ [04:25] See the extra / ? [04:25] ahh sorry [04:25] yes i see now [04:26] thankyou very much [04:27] You're welcome. [04:27] the test works [04:27] i know i spent a lot of time on this butt i have learned much [04:27] one more thing [04:28] "sudo apt-get -y -q install kvm qemu libvirt-bin" will automate the install right? [04:29] Guest49270: Looks reasonable. Uninstall them all, and then try it out :) [04:30] thank you agian [04:31] i know this was painful for you but it was very helpfull [04:32] Guest49270: OK. You might want to try reading something like http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/intro-linux.html for general Linux background info [04:33] yea i have had a few references [04:33] most of the stuff i can handle with ebox [04:34] however virtual servers is not one of them [04:35] since i cant get a fuppies working on ubuntu server i have to do my trans-coding on a windows server running on ubuntu using KVM [04:36] Just make the investment of a few hours of your time to really learn Linux and bash (and maybe even Emacs) . Then work on getting a "fuppies" (whatever that is) running on Ubuntu. [04:36] fuppies is a media streaming progra for linux [04:37] as for emacs i have no need to learn it i use nano on the server [04:37] Guest49270: Sapir-Whorf. You lose. [04:38] Then... fuppes should run fine in Ubuntu. And using Emacs on all platforms gives you one free powerful editor across all platforms. [04:39] yes well thats another problem all together [04:40] as for emacs i am already familiar with ultraedit and gedit and nano gets me by for how often i change files on the server. [04:42] but anyway i really appreciate the help, now that the carrage return is removed the script works exactly as expected [04:42] thank you once again [04:43] I thought fuppes was already ITPd [04:43] I remember someone talking about it a year ago [04:44] I guess it's still in RFS [04:45] Yeah, #426048 [04:49] There is a thread about fuppes on Ubuntu 9.10: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1310511 [04:50] Amazing... he wasted an hour on a script he didn't really need, instead of on getting fuppes to work, and he wants to run Windows in a VM instead! [04:51] Anyone called Guest[[:digit:]]+ ain't too bright [05:56] how can i set up so that ubuntu will automatically re-start all users running processes that were there before reboot.... [06:03] matte: with great difficulty [06:07] New bug: #467480 in clamav (main) "package clamav-freshclam 0.95.2+dfsg-4ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 100" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/467480 [06:16] really [06:17] doesn't sound like the ubuntu way [06:17] ;) [06:17] matte: Is there a way to do that in any other OS you know of? [06:17] windows, put the apps in the Startup folder [06:17] or with msconfig [06:17] yes [06:17] No, that won't do it at all. [06:17] actually it does [06:17] That would only run the apps you put there, not the ones running at the timeof the reboot [06:18] Which coul dbve very different [06:18] *could be [06:18] well thats what i mean, apps you select to run after a reboot [06:18] like a startup folder [06:18] for linux [06:18] That's not at all what you said though. [06:18] ok well thanks for making that clear [06:19] matte: Is this for a server (in which case you can put apps into /etc/rc.local or into ~/.bashrc files for each user, etc) ? Or for a desktop with a GUI, in which case I don't know the answer, ask in #ubuntu [06:19] ok awesome [06:19] thank you [06:20] You're welcome. [06:45] does anyone know what the default password is for a newly added user using the command "sudo useradd -m rutri" [06:47] Guest89077: don't use useradd. [06:47] Guest89077: use adduser [06:48] ok what if i have already done the command? [06:50] Guest89077: sudo deluser rutri && sudo adduser rutri [06:52] what is room number for? [06:52] Leave it blank... its for people in universities whose offices have room numbers :) [06:52] I bet you can't put Ogham in there, though [06:52] lol ok [06:53] and now how do i add that user to the administrator group? [06:53] As an argument in the adduser call [06:54] so i can use usermod? [06:54] Guest89077: It's silly to create the user and then modify it right away. But if you must, sudo usermod -a -G admin rutri [06:55] Guest89077: Please read the man pages for adduser, deluser and usermod :) [06:55] ok thanks you answered my other question [06:55] yes the command i knew the syntax allready [06:56] i was going to ask what the admin group is called but you answered taht [07:00] ok one last question, how do i get a dameon to automatically start? ie: i dont want to have to do "/etc/init.d/libvirt start" all the time [07:02] Guest89077: sudo apt-get install sysv-rc-conf -y && sudo sysv-rc-conf # is one way. [07:03] thank you ill research into that [07:03] i appreciate the help [07:03] Surely libvirt registers itself by default [07:03] thats what i thought [07:03] i did use the apt-get to install it [07:05] Guest89077: So it should already run at boot time... did you actually test this? [07:06] on second [07:06] one* [07:06] jmarsden: it should also invoke-rc.d itself on install [07:07] Right... the question suggested he wanted to mess with what daemons started automatically... I thought he'd already accidentally prevented it from starting at boot or something like that... [07:07] Anything is possible [07:11] ok i see it running [07:12] "ps -aux | grep libvirt" showed it [07:12] Guest89077: In general, try to avoid asking the channel for info you can determine for yourself using man pages or by trying something out. BTW, /etc/init.d/libvirt-bin status # is the more conventional check on a daemon's status :) [07:13] Guest89077: pgrep [07:14] jmarsden: unfortunately policy doesn't require init.d's to provide a status target :-( [07:14] IME only RH-originating stuff like libvirt provides status [07:14] twb: True, but most do, including libvirt-bin :) [07:15] IIRC even dh_make's example doesn't, despite it being trivial due to s-s-d --make-pidfile [07:16] Hmmm, looks like about 50% on this machine. [07:16] unfortunately I have spent the better part of an hour researching my problem with no luck [07:17] I tell a lie, dh_make does provide status [07:17] Guest89077: Testing whether something starts at boot takes an hour? Booting a modern machine should not take that long! [07:17] jmarsden: but filing the change request and getting it approved takes WEEKS [07:17] :-) [07:18] :) [07:18] well i thought it was because the daemon was not starting but thats not the case. [07:18] Guest89077: Do not guess what your problem is and ask questions based on your guesswork. Instead, ask about the actual problem. [07:19] Guest89077: See http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html for more on this. [07:19] ok i am trying to access a virtual server remotely using cirt-manager [07:19] jmarsden: in a test here, I get 17 with and 43 without [07:19] Using x=0 y=0; for i in /etc/init.d/*; do if $i status; then ((x++)); else ((y++)); fi; done; echo $x $y [07:20] Some of those are from base-files or whatever it is, though [07:20] sorry virt-manager* [07:21] hi, how to know which package does a binary belongs too ? [07:21] Goddammit I hate it when init scripts don't correctly work when stdio isn't a tty [07:21] This just hangs: x=0 y=0; for i in /etc/init.d/*; do if $i status |& grep -qi usage; then ((x++)); else ((y++)); fi; done; echo $x $y [07:21] maxagaz: dpkg -S /path/to/binary [07:21] twb: I did: grep -c status /etc/init.d/* | grep -c :0$ ; ls -1 /etc/init.d/* |wc -l # to get 70 don't have it out of 156 total. [07:22] the command i use is "virt-manager -c qemu+ssh://192.168.198.1/system" and it asks for a password but then i get a message saying that libvirt-bin is not running, however it is running. [07:23] jmarsden: I was worried about false positives :-) [07:23] jmarsden, thanks [07:23] maxagaz: You're welcome. [07:24] jmarsden: e.g. alsa-utils [07:24] twb: Yes, your way is probably more accurate than mine. [07:24] x=0 y=0; for i in /etc/init.d/*; do test $i = /etc/init.d/rcS && break; echo $i >&2; if $i status |& grep -qi usage; then ((x++)); else ((y++)); fi; done; echo $x $y [07:24] Your way is also about twice as long :) [07:25] ...that one (checks for "Usage:" output) gives 24 with, 15 without [07:25] Oops, s/break/continue/ and I get 36 with, 23 without [07:28] twb: That's more in line with my percentage. [07:28] Guest89077: That sounds strange, but I'm not enough of a virtualization expert to really help... did you ask in #ubuntu-virt ? === root is now known as Guest77812 [07:31] Oops, those numbers are backwards [07:32]