[01:33] <dbdii407> Is there anyway to stop the terminal from scrolling down back to the bottom when new info comes?
[01:49] <knome> dbdii407, right-click -> preferences -> check out "scroll on output" checkboc from the "general" tab.
[01:50] <dbdii407> knome: Ty very much
[01:50] <knome> np. have fun
[01:51] <dbdii407> Got very annoying during my development
[01:51] <knome> that happens
[02:12] <knome> good night.
[02:33] <presario16xluser> Is this where I get Xubuntu technical support?
[02:34] <presario16xluser> Hello?
[02:35] <presario16xluser> Ok nevermind, I will probably just go back to windows.
[02:36] <genii> Good riddance then
[03:02] <amdsempron> Is this Xubuntu support?
[03:02] <amdsempron> Hello?
[03:04] <amdsempron> OK THIS IS NOT F***ING FUNNY! If i cant get xubuntu support, I will never use XUBUNTU EVER AGAIN!
[03:06] <garythi> hello...being a newbie, don't know if i can help much...better to wait a bit
[03:09] <garythi> some kind of bumping system?
[03:09] <genii> !netsplit
[03:09] <genii> Bah. bot is currently offline
[03:09] <genii> Or just slow
[03:14] <Empty_foo> never heard of xbuntu before.. what's the focus with this version?
[03:15] <garythi> lightweight desktop
[03:16] <Empty_foo> that's what i was figgerin.. xfce kind of thing?
[03:16] <garythi> yep
[03:16] <Empty_foo> cool..
[03:16] <garythi> i like it too...enough to switch
[03:16] <[mccracken]> It rocks. So much smoother than Ubuntu (for me). :D
[03:16] <[mccracken]> Simple, but powerful.
[05:39] <Balsaq> good morning residents of xubuntu
[08:25] <simple_> where is my dvdrom
[08:25] <simple_> how can i see my dvdrom
[08:25] <simple_> how can i mount
[08:51] <titan_ark> !tab
[09:04] <ouyes> hi everyone, i plan to use xubuntu, but i don not know which one to install, 8.04 9.04 or 9.10,( my laptop was crashed under 9.10 gnome
[09:04] <ouyes> which are you using ??
[09:04] <ouyes> is it stable?
[09:05] <Ov3rf10w> 9.04 is stable
[09:06] <TheSheep> 9.10 is too
[09:07] <Ov3rf10w> i have bad expirience with karmic
[09:08] <ablomen> works great here, havnt had a problem
[09:25] <ouyes> the items on the Desktop have a white background, how to get rid of it ?
[09:26] <ouyes> e.g. the filename are in white bar
[09:43] <garythi> Hi, anybody watch cbc.ca videos? i seem to be having a flash prob
[09:44] <garythi> yet flash works on everything else
[09:46] <garythi> http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/The_Passionate_Eye/ID=1377424366
[09:46] <garythi> in case anyone wants to try
[09:46] <ouyes> what is your problem, anyway ?
[09:47] <garythi> won't play
[09:47] <Sysi> have you tried mozilla-vlc or something like that?
[09:48] <garythi> content is on cbc
[09:49] <garythi> oh, i think i know what you mean...i'll try
[09:51] <garythi> i copied the link into vlc...no luk
[09:52] <garythi> it's the only flash that doesn't work, might be a cbc thing
[09:52] <Sysi> i think i used mplayer-plugin or something
[09:53] <garythi> i'll try that too then...thanks
[09:55] <garythi> nope...i'll have to watch it in windows...dam    thanks for trying people
[12:43] <ubuntu> trying to copy from one disk to another, I'm in using a live cd, both hdds are mounted, but can't copy, can write to destination disk, but when I try to copy from source disk, permission is denied
[12:43] <ubuntu> tried to <sudo chmod 777> but user on source disk shows up as 1000
[13:22] <jarnos> I can't play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6GqYhh9gN0 after 0:46 in Karmic. What's wrong?
[13:23] <knome> stupid video? :P
[13:24] <knome> anyway, worksforme.
[13:24] <ablomen> im sad to say i can
[13:25] <jarnos> Oh well, I can, too, but in two parts.
[13:25] <jarnos> Halme just died, btw.
[13:25] <jarnos> ablomen: what is your software?
[13:26] <knome> jarnos, really, nobody cares. #xubuntu-offtopic if you have to talk about that
[13:26] <ablomen> karmic, flashplugin-nonfree from the repo's
[13:27] <jarnos> knome: then don't say, it is stupid video ;)
[13:33] <jarnos> ablomen: I use flashplugin-installer.
[13:34] <jarnos> from multiverse/web
[13:50] <jarnos> ablomen: it stucks at 0:46, if I let the video download from the beginning. If I move the pointer to say 0:40 and download begans from there, it can pass 0:46. Did you download from the beginning by flashplugin-nonfree?
[13:52] <ablomen> no i didnt
[13:53] <jarnos> ablomen: ok, thanks for letting me know.
[16:31] <hyatt> hi im using xubuntu 9.10 on my mac book pro with nvidia 9400M. when i plug in my external monitor (native 1680x1050) and use the nvidia tool ican only choose resolutions up to 1280x1024. any idea how to fix this?
[16:35] <Pres-Gas> hyatt, unfortunately, are bound by the limits of the nvidia driver.  It is not open source and no one in the community can modify the code or bugfix it.  We get the perverbial "stone tablets" from the burning bush of Nvidia.
[16:36] <Pres-Gas> You could make sure you are using the latest driver or go on their discussion forum, hyatt.  http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14
[16:37] <hyatt> Pres-Gas: true, but i think its not a problem with the driver itself, i just found a thread that said i have to add the monitor manually to the xorg conf
[16:37] <Pres-Gas> I comiserate with you, though.  I would like to get more resolution as well, but not had enough time to really research it (or perhaps just too lazy).  :P
[16:53] <craigbass1976> The ONLY thing I like about windows is the shortcut that makes all windows minimize (windows key+ d)  Is there a way to do this in Xubuntu?
[16:55] <hal_9001> yes i think so, just dont remember. let me look
[17:00] <hal_9001> winkey + e = explorer
[17:00] <hal_9001> alt+F4 = close / Shutdown (also works in ubuntu i noticed)
[17:00] <hal_9001> winkey + d = minimize all windows to desktop
[17:00] <hal_9001> ctrl+esc = winkey = start menu
[17:00] <hal_9001> winkey + l = lock computer
[17:02] <Sysi> chech window manager settings
[17:05] <craigbass1976> hal_9001, Aha... show desktop.  Was Ctrl+Alt+d by default.  Thanks.
[17:06] <craigbass1976> Now, what did I want on my desktop that finally pushed me over the "go ask" edge...
[17:07] <hal_9001> ?
[17:11] <craigbass1976> Nevermind, I'm numbing it.  Thanks again.
[17:12] <hal_9001> ok
[17:12] <craigbass1976> Unless you know where I adjust system sounds.  Not volume, but event sounds.
[17:13] <craigbass1976> In Jaunty.  I looked all over yesterday to stop someone's laptop from beeping; couldn't find it anywhere in the forums or googling.
[17:13] <craigbass1976> Forget it.  Different project
[17:15] <hal_9001> no clue on that one. sorry
[17:55] <East_Coast_Girl> hello :)
[17:56] <Rascal999> samba, how?
[17:57] <charlie-tca> !samba
[17:57] <knome> charlie-tca, ...you were faster than me
[17:57] <charlie-tca> you were busy
[17:57] <knome> no, i wasn't :P
[17:57] <charlie-tca> \o/
[17:57] <East_Coast_Girl> i was just wondering if i could get some help, please?
[17:57] <Rascal999> i was thinking access
[17:57] <knome> damn ;)
[17:58] <Rascal999> not host
[17:58] <knome> !ask | East_Coast_Girl
[17:58] <knome> charlie-tca, 1-1
[17:58] <East_Coast_Girl> ubottu: well i didn't want it to be a wall of text :D
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Rascal999: you will have to expand on it then. That link tells quite a bit aouth how to
[17:58] <knome> Rascal999, that tutorial coves accessing as well
[17:58] <knome> charlie-tca, damn, 2-1 for you :)
[17:58]  * charlie-tca thinks "great minds think alike"
[17:59] <East_Coast_Girl>  I installed Xubuntu 9.04 on my ps3 and it works beautifully (well except for no sound and no flash but i don't really mind that at the moment). I can update that with no issues. But as soon as I install 9.10, the USB ports crap out and the mouse and keyboard stop working about 10 seconds after the desktop fully loads. When the OS is loading, it says that the USB ports are deregisters but works fine in 9.04 but totally craps
[17:59] <East_Coast_Girl> out on 9.10. What's wrong and how can i fix it. Thanks :)
[17:59] <charlie-tca> knome: I tried to say I came back, at least for a little while...
[17:59] <Rascal999> so you have to perma 'link'? What happened to smb://...
[17:59] <knome> !ps3 | East_Coast_Girl
[17:59] <charlie-tca> East_Coast_Girl: Are you using the port for 9.10?
[18:00] <charlie-tca> I think the port was broken for 9.10
[18:00] <knome> East_Coast_Girl, i mean, you can try here as well but #ubuntu-ppc might give you better results :)
[18:00] <East_Coast_Girl> knome:  ahhh okay thanks :)
[18:00] <charlie-tca> Rascal999: Might only be a gnome desktop option
[18:01] <knome> East_Coast_Girl, i mean #ubuntu-ps3 of course ...
[18:01] <knome> charlie-tca, i suppose the new thunar (not in the repo's yet) support smb://
[18:01] <East_Coast_Girl> knome: okay i'll ask there too, thanks :)
[18:01] <charlie-tca> oh-oh, knome is slow and making mistakes?
[18:01] <knome> Rascal999, that's a nautilus feature
[18:01] <knome> charlie-tca, yeah. somehow i can't get that essay out of my mind :)
[18:02] <charlie-tca> knome: I don't know, I just don't use samba yet
[18:02] <knome> charlie-tca, i'll never use samba. :)
[18:02] <Rascal999> knome, nautilus available on xubuntu?
[18:02] <knome> Rascal999, 'sudo apt-get install nautilus', but it will install a lot of gnome.
[18:03] <knome> Rascal999, also, if you run without '--no-desktop', it will take control of your desktop
[18:03] <East_Coast_Girl> okay thanks a whole lot folks :) //waves//
[18:05] <Rascal999> knome, lol, defeats the point of xubuntu for me
[18:06] <knome> Rascal999, exactly.
[18:06] <knome> Rascal999, mr_pouit put the new thunar in a ppa yesterday, though
[18:06] <knome> Rascal999, are you familiar with ppa's ?
[18:11] <Rascal999> knome, ish
[18:11] <knome> Rascal999, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ppa
[18:11] <knome> Rascal999, check that ppa out. you'll be able to install thunar 1.1.0
[18:11] <knome> Rascal999, which, iirc, supports smb
[18:13] <Rascal999> knome, ok i'll check it out sometime
[19:27] <salla> which release of xubuntu is the most stable ? and mot usable
[19:28] <charlie-tca> Officially, 9.10
[19:28] <Sysi> no, 8.04
[19:28] <Sysi> its LTS
[19:28] <charlie-tca> true
[19:28] <salla> but i cant add items to the desktop in 9.10
[19:29] <charlie-tca> but only on a server, without all the gui updates
[19:29] <Sysi> some hardware may work better on newer versions
[19:29] <salla> i cant add any item to the panel
[19:29] <salla> :(
[19:29] <charlie-tca> What kind of items?
[19:29] <salla> for examle shortcuts
[19:30] <salla> like firefox or terminal or something else
[19:30] <charlie-tca> You right click it, click add to panel, launcher, it fails?
[19:31] <salla> i want to do it with drag item to the desktop
[19:31] <salla> like ubuntu karmic
[19:31] <Sysi> it doesn't happen with xfce
[19:31] <charlie-tca> Drag and drop does not work the same in Xubuntu. That is a gnome feature
[19:31] <Sysi> idk about kde
[19:31] <salla> hmm
[19:32] <Sysi> propably work on that also
[19:32] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu has it's own features, which are not the same as Gnome
[19:32] <salla> yes its so easy and so simple
[19:32] <salla> and so fast
[19:33] <Sysi> transparency settings ♥
[19:33] <salla> huh i dont know them :(
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Not always simple, it can be harder to do things in Xubuntu, since we don't actually cater to the new user of Linux
[19:33] <salla> how is lucid
[19:33] <salla> can i use it ?
[19:34] <Sysi> "Window manager tweaks", copositing
[19:34] <salla> or is there any changes
[19:34] <Sysi> lucid is unstable
[19:34] <Sysi> not yet
[19:34] <charlie-tca> Lucid can be used, but will break
[19:34] <charlie-tca> It is not even alpha2 yet
[19:34] <Sysi> in alpha 3 or 4 are all new features
[19:35] <salla> so im installing 8.04 ?
[19:35] <salla> or 9.10 ?
[19:35] <Sysi> your decision
[19:35] <salla> your advise ?
[19:35] <Sysi> both have some problems
[19:36] <Sysi> but 8.04 starts really to be old
[19:37] <Sysi> (good to say, currently on centos)
[19:37] <charlie-tca> or 9.04, but 9.10 has more new hardware in it
[19:37] <charlie-tca> 8.04 will be supported on the desktop until april of 2011
[19:38] <Sysi> but 10.04 will officially replace it
[19:38] <salla> Sysi: charlie-tca what u use ?
[19:39] <charlie-tca> I use Ubuntu-Server 9.04 on my server, Xubuntu 9.10 with ext3 on this machine I use daily, and test 10.04 daily
[19:39] <Sysi> ahem; fedora, centos, and 9.10 in testbox
[19:40] <salla> centos for server ?
[19:40] <Sysi> no, this desktop
[19:41] <salla> woa
[19:41] <salla> centos
[19:42] <Sysi> fedora didn't like my sound card and i want to wait 10.04
[19:42] <salla> its interesting  :)
[19:42] <Sysi> this works like perfectly
[19:42] <charlie-tca> I run Xubuntu on 5 systems, it works the best for me
[19:43] <Sysi> hmm, i have it on old netbook too
[19:46] <salla> thnks for all
[19:48] <becker_11> Hello, I'm looking for the file that I've been told is located @ ~/.mozilla/firefox/xxxxxxxx.default/chrome/userChrome-example.css
[19:48] <becker_11> but the entire chrome folder is missing from my desktop xubuntu installation
[19:49] <becker_11> I found it in the correct location on my netbook using UNR
[19:50] <charlie-tca> the /chrome folder should be there
[19:50] <charlie-tca> But you can create it, if needed
[19:51] <charlie-tca> The files are the same on all versions of Ubuntu/Xubuntu
[19:51] <becker_11> Hi charlie-tca  yeah it should but it's not I've checked including trying ls -a
[19:51] <becker_11> charlie-tca, They are? I wasn't sure if maybe they were moved somewhere else for some reason
[19:51] <gandalph> hi charlie-tca
[19:51] <charlie-tca> Hello, gandalph
[19:52] <charlie-tca> becker_11: it should be there, it did not get moved.
[19:52] <becker_11> so I can just create the folder and then make the file I need and everything will be sweet?
[19:52] <charlie-tca> You just need to create it if you are going to customize thngs
[19:52] <gandalph> charlie, i have tested lucid last day on my older pc
[19:52] <becker_11> cool charlie-tca  thanks
[19:52] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:52] <charlie-tca> gandalph: how did it work?
[19:53] <gandalph> lucid as rolling-release. full buggy
[19:53] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:53] <charlie-tca> It is alpha, that's why we say it will break your installation if you want to use it.
[19:53] <charlie-tca> Did you file any bugs?
[19:54] <gandalph> but after the base-installion from iso, lucid was with full function
[19:54] <gandalph> no, i dont have files from or about bugs
[19:54] <charlie-tca> That is what it should be. It just works off and on, depending on the day and the updates made
[19:55] <gandalph> for examble: after full-upgrade or dist-upgrade hal without function yet
[19:55] <charlie-tca> I will start using it this week, just to try and see what is working
[19:56] <charlie-tca> hal has been stopped in it, so you get the warning about power-manager. They are trying to decide what to do with it
[19:56] <gandalph> my usb-sticks, external usb-hdd were not mounted all the time
[19:56] <gandalph> yes, powermanager is buggy yet
[19:56] <charlie-tca> yeah, that should be in work, too
[19:56] <charlie-tca> Hopefully, there will be a new build today or tomorrow to test
[19:57] <gandalph> i have tested plymouth
[19:57] <gandalph> in lucid
[19:57] <charlie-tca> how is it?
[19:57] <gandalph> no function befor or after the package-installation
[19:58] <gandalph> sorry
[19:58] <gandalph> nvidia geforce 5500: driver is broken yet
[19:59] <charlie-tca> yes, nvidia is not working yet with the drivers. It is all of nvidia, though
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Also, on the live cd's today, the package is missing completely
[20:00] <gandalph> newer software was integrated in lucid: gigolo and software-center
[20:00] <charlie-tca> gigolo was in 9.10, but most items in 10.04 are newer versions
[20:01] <gandalph> hmm.. with freedriver of lucid my graficcard was supported, i have seen small effects on xfce.
[20:02] <dbdii407> Is there anyway to hide certain file types from showing in thunar?
[20:02] <charlie-tca> hidden files can be made not to show
[20:03] <charlie-tca> but I don't know anyway to stop someone from turning them on
[20:03] <gandalph> oha, i didnt tested thunar
[20:03] <gandalph> with more function
[20:03] <dbdii407> I want .pyc to not show. :P
[20:04] <charlie-tca> gandalph: this will help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TestingInfo/Short
[20:04] <charlie-tca> dbdii407: not any way that I know of
[20:05] <gandalph> charlie: thanks for the website
[20:06] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:06] <charlie-tca> should have given it to you earlier
[20:07] <charlie-tca> The ubuntu qa test-cases don't work for most of xubuntu; mine do
[20:09] <gandalph> wonderfull, your name is on the website. ;-)
[20:10] <charlie-tca> yeah, I may have written that page ;-)
[20:10] <gandalph> you are a good man
[20:11] <charlie-tca> just a busy one
[20:12] <gandalph> charlie, does xubuntu without gimp in the future?
[20:12] <charlie-tca> I don't know yet
[20:13] <charlie-tca> let me see if I can find an answer
[20:14] <gandalph> i read this question in german userforum and the answer were perhaps.
[20:14] <gandalph> because, gimp is to heavy for beginners
[20:14]  * charlie-tca thinks perhaps leaves a pretty big gap; it is like maybe
[20:15] <gandalph> yes maybe.
[20:15] <charlie-tca> If it is removed from Ubuntu, it will make more space available on the cd image, which is greatly needed.
[20:15] <charlie-tca> They have to remove an application or two, or languages
[20:16] <gandalph> ok, can i install gimp in the next versions of ubuntu?
[20:16] <charlie-tca> Gimp will still be in the repositories, so you can install it, yes
[20:16] <gandalph> fine!
[20:17] <charlie-tca> It just won't install as a default application
[20:17] <gandalph> ok, ok
[20:17] <charlie-tca> We will keep it for now
[20:17] <charlie-tca> We have plenty of room on the cd
[20:18] <gandalph> i understand.
[20:21] <nathan1> hi people
[20:21] <charlie-tca> !hi | nathan1
[20:22] <gandalph> charlie: you know, i have xubuntu. can i install and use packages from Mint-sources?
[20:22] <charlie-tca> Mint should be using the ubuntu-repositories, last I looked, so it should work. Do they have some we don't?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> No guarantees, though. If the repository is one Ubuntu does not use, it could break things
[20:25] <gandalph> ok, only i have reportisories of xubuntu. mint has very many packages for multimedia. ;-)
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Have you added medibuntu?
[20:25] <charlie-tca> !medibuntu
[20:25] <charlie-tca> That should be where most of them came from
[20:26] <charlie-tca> I'll install mint and look
[20:27] <gandalph> i know about medibuntu, but mint has more multimedia-tools
[20:28] <charlie-tca> i'm installing now so I can see what they are doing
[20:28] <gandalph> what do you install? mint or medibuntu?
[20:28] <charlie-tca> It is based on Ubuntu, and uses the same repositories, but maybe they added some others
[20:28] <charlie-tca> I am installing mint
[20:29] <charlie-tca> it's what I do all day
[20:29] <retour> ubuntustudio is a specialized distro for multimedia editing with real time kernel if remember well
[20:30] <gandalph> mint is based on ubuntu, but the distribution is with a different build, other packages, more packages.
[20:30] <charlie-tca> I like mythbuntu, too
[20:30] <gandalph> for television and hdd-recorder?
[20:31] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:31] <gandalph> i didnt tested mythbuntu, yet.
[20:31] <charlie-tca> mint is a little slow to install
[20:32] <gandalph> mint is not stable, i think
[20:32] <charlie-tca> I have tested almost everything, I think, except UNR
[20:32] <charlie-tca> It is supposed to stable
[20:32] <charlie-tca> It is based on 9.10, it should be stable
[20:32] <charlie-tca> All they do is add things, and change it a bit
[20:33] <gandalph> well, i think, LTS is stable?
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Any release is stable here, LTS is Long Term Support
[20:34] <gandalph> xubuntu 8.04 is stabler than 9.10?
[20:34] <gandalph> xubuntu 8.04 is LTS
[20:35] <charlie-tca> for servers, they seldom will update anything except security issues, which makes it very stable
[20:35] <gandalph> the next LTS will be lucid 10.4?
[20:35] <Sysi> yes
[20:35] <charlie-tca> In actual day to day use, the user will normally update everything, so LTS becomes out of date for them
[20:36] <gandalph> ok, 9.10 is a testing-version for LTS 10.04, only?
[20:37] <charlie-tca> Linux mint has it's own repository for some stuff, that might break xubuntu. Here is the list: http://packages.linuxmint.com/
[20:37] <Sysi> gandalph: no
[20:38] <charlie-tca> The rest come from medibuntu or Ubuntu
[20:38] <Sysi> it's release of ubuntu
[20:38] <charlie-tca> no, gandalph, 9.10 was released as a stable version
[20:39] <gandalph> LTS is over 3 years for workstation, 5 years for servers?
[20:39] <charlie-tca> yes
[20:39] <becker_11> I have installed Mint on a lappie that came with ubuntu 8.04 desktop for the missus and it runs sweet ...
[20:39] <charlie-tca> It isn't too bad, I just don't like the colors much
[20:39] <becker_11> she grumbles occasionally about openoffice she is a diehard ms office user but other than that she is happy with it
[20:40] <charlie-tca> Great! It keeps her in open source software, right? Every user counts
[20:42] <becker_11> charlie-tca, I'm at a loss atm with a problem in firefox some of the fonts are invisible on web pages. I can see headings etc and sidebar stuff but not the main article I have to highlight the text to read it ..... I first had this problem with comment boxes when using a black xubuntu theme now I've changed to a light theme and it happens on the main pages ....
[20:42] <charlie-tca> change the font to something else
[20:43] <becker_11> yeah it's not the font it's the color but it's not happening on every page ... google is fine but this page http://www.blork.org/blorkblog/2009/03/10/optimize-firefox-for-your-netbook/ I can't see
[20:43] <charlie-tca> for starters, in firefox, view -> Character encoding -> auto detect and utf8
[20:44] <becker_11> okay did that
[20:44] <charlie-tca> it is a good page
[20:44] <charlie-tca> any change?
[20:45] <charlie-tca> If it still isn't visible, it might be a problem with the theme itself
[20:45] <charlie-tca> gandalph: anything else?
[20:46] <becker_11> fixed it .... I changed the defaults to black background and white text but that page must define a background but not a font so it was using my font color meaning I have white background and text .... changed it back to normal black font on white and it's good
[20:46] <becker_11> duh!
[20:46] <charlie-tca> that will do it, too
[20:46] <charlie-tca> Why white background with white text?
[20:47] <charlie-tca> Isn't that hard to see/
[20:47] <gandalph> charlie: thanks, i have got enought information about xubuntu from you :-)
[20:47] <charlie-tca> no problem
[20:47] <charlie-tca> That is what we are here for
[20:48] <gandalph> yes, i know.
[20:48] <becker_11> the page defined a background in this case white and my font/background was white/black so firefox used my white text on the specified background which being white caused the problem
[20:48] <becker_11> hard to explain but simple once you work it out .....
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I see. I misunderstood
[20:49] <becker_11> no prob.
[20:49] <becker_11> Once again I had a problem caused by the fact I fiddle too much lol
[20:49] <gandalph> if some user has a problem, so they can take help from irc here.
[20:49] <charlie-tca> of course
[20:50] <becker_11> irc rules gandalph
[20:50] <gandalph> ok, becker_11. ;-)
[20:51] <becker_11> although not every channel, the guys in #linux on dalnet are snobs and answer noobs questions rudely. The guys in here are awesome and don't mind helping
[20:51] <charlie-tca> yes, some help is more polite that other help
[20:52] <becker_11> Something I learnt on windows too if your not busy just sit in the channel and read you will be amazed what you pick up and you may find you can answer a question for someone too
[20:53] <gandalph> some linux-developer are hardliner. so they expect you are a professional linux-user.
[20:54] <charlie-tca> it's just that linux was a geek system for so long, and some of it still is. We all expect new people to try to find an answer first, then ask for help.
[20:55] <becker_11> gandalph, true but the good thing is there are so many different channels on irc that you can look around to find one your comfortable with
[20:57] <gandalph> charlie, becker_11: your are right! I think, ubuntu is for beginners at first, but professionals can use this distribution too. ubuntu has a very good hardwaredetection and the sofwareinstallation is simple.
[20:58] <gandalph> other distributions, you must configurate more yourself.
[20:58] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu was designed from the beginning to be easy to use and to try to help people move from windows to linux.
[20:59] <charlie-tca> I downloaded my first version in 2005, Ubuntu 5.04
[20:59] <gandalph> this is the target of their project.
[20:59] <gandalph> iam too!
[20:59] <charlie-tca> is/was
[21:00] <charlie-tca> Took me three days to download it back then
[21:00] <gandalph> easy installation and use linux-system.
[21:00] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:00] <becker_11> gandalph, ubuntu is easy to use but the best thing is that once you are more comfortable you can change things by adding or removing what you like or don't like which is the beauty of linux
[21:00] <charlie-tca> Then kubuntu was added. Xubuntu was started independently in 2006
[21:01] <becker_11> charlie-tca, I can remember downloading an iso on dial up I left it and went to bed now I can get one in 30minutes
[21:01] <gandalph> hihi..
[21:02] <gandalph> it was a nice time
[21:02] <charlie-tca> becker_11: that is what I did, but it took me three nights to get it all
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Then within a month, 5.10 came out and I did it again
[21:03] <gandalph> in the year 2005 i didnt have a dsl-network.
[21:03] <charlie-tca> I was on cableone. and it was fast, too!
[21:03] <becker_11> I still shake my head at how far we have come. Now I look at 150meg files and call them small and I have a 1Tb drive sitting on my desk ....
[21:03] <charlie-tca> I know
[21:04] <gandalph> hoary 5.04 was good, but the dist-upgrade was horrible with my modem.
[21:04] <charlie-tca> I bought my first system with a whopping 65MB hard drive, and they said I threw my money away on it, because it would never fill up
[21:04] <charlie-tca> that upgrade is why I downloaded the iso and installed again
[21:04] <gandalph> :-)
[21:04] <becker_11> hahaha my first comp had 40mg ... now patches are 10x bigger than that
[21:05] <charlie-tca> yup :-)
[21:05] <becker_11> my first real comp my parents bought it was a commodore 128D
[21:06] <gandalph> my first laptop was a black/white-screen, 80 mb hdd, 4 mb ram
[21:06] <charlie-tca> Hey, commodore was a good system. I upgraded from my c-64 to a 128
[21:06] <becker_11> my mate had the C64 with the tape drive
[21:06] <charlie-tca> gandalph: was that the suitcase laptop?
[21:07] <charlie-tca> I still my cassette drive
[21:07] <charlie-tca> my/have my/
[21:07] <becker_11> wikipedia says it had 128k of ram in 2 64k chips
[21:07] <charlie-tca> c-64?
[21:07] <becker_11> C128
[21:07] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:08] <charlie-tca> and it was way faster than the 64
[21:08] <gandalph> oh charlie, i dont know.
[21:08] <charlie-tca> I had 5 of the 3-1/2 floppy drives chained to it
[21:08] <becker_11> running at a whole 2mhz
[21:08] <becker_11> OMG
[21:08] <charlie-tca> gandalph: big enough that it did not fit on the lap?
[21:08] <gandalph> but my lappi was great, i think 3,5"-floppy.
[21:09] <gandalph> with msdos 3.3.
[21:09] <charlie-tca> oh! I had one with 8-1/2 inch floppy disks. Weighed a ton, but it was portable...
[21:10] <becker_11> 8 1/2in? never heard of them that big
[21:10] <charlie-tca> Almost took a dolly to move it around :-)
[21:10] <charlie-tca> I think they were before the 5-1/2 inch
[21:10] <becker_11> wow
[21:10] <gandalph> my father has had a 5,25"-floppy, before i buyed a lappi myself.
[21:10] <gandalph> with 3,5"
[21:11] <charlie-tca> I still have both 5-1/2 and 3-1/2 inch floppies here
[21:11] <becker_11> I know a guy who's a comp nut he still had the old 5.25in drive and tons of old 5in floppys even got a pack not opened
[21:11] <gandalph> very interessing!
[21:11] <charlie-tca> I have two 5-1/2 inch drives, but no new discs
[21:12] <becker_11> the things we keep
[21:12] <charlie-tca> These new systems won't even recognize the 5-1/2 inch floppy drive
[21:12] <becker_11> yeah it wouldn't be in the bios
[21:12] <charlie-tca> I wrote several programs on the c-64 and c-128
[21:13] <becker_11> just found it 8in floppys read only introduced in 1971
[21:13] <becker_11> 79kb storage lol
[21:13] <charlie-tca> That seems a long time ago
[21:13] <gandalph> i was 1 years old ;-)
[21:13] <charlie-tca> Yeah, they didn't hold much, but it worked
[21:13] <becker_11> I wasn't thought of till '73
[21:14] <knome> less space for bugs...
[21:14] <gandalph> i think, it was a great time for you!
[21:14] <charlie-tca> bugs? I don't remember any
[21:14] <becker_11> unreal
[21:14] <becker_11> the 1st 5in released in '78
[21:15] <charlie-tca> and no, I don't count the weeks trying to find them in my own programs
[21:15] <gandalph> its an interessant story of computers
[21:15] <charlie-tca> My grandfather worked on the early defense department computers in america
[21:16] <charlie-tca> When the hard drive took up the entire floor of about 400 sq ft or more
[21:16] <gandalph> and now? we have serversystems at home on our tables.
[21:16] <becker_11> I did pascal at college nearly threw my own computer out the window I was so frustrated. I knew I could do what I was trying to do I just couldn't get it too work lol
[21:16] <charlie-tca> It never seemed that hard to me
[21:17] <charlie-tca> and now... I can't even learn doc-book
[21:17] <becker_11> I got it in the end.
[21:17] <becker_11> Now we carry iphones around with hundreds of times the power oif those old room size servers
[21:18] <charlie-tca> room size server? room size hard disk, and it was only one layer disk
[21:18] <gandalph> horrible!
[21:19] <charlie-tca> it was a 4-floor building with a floor for each component of the computer
[21:19] <gandalph> always more and more.
[21:19] <becker_11> that is unimaginable
[21:19] <charlie-tca> I thought it was fascinating to get to see it
[21:19] <becker_11> it would have been for sure
[21:20] <gandalph> what do you think about the future of computers?
[21:20] <gandalph> a virtual world?
[21:21] <gandalph> cyborg?
[21:21] <becker_11> virtual is the way it's going
[21:21] <gandalph> yup
[21:21] <becker_11> store everything online use online apps
[21:21] <charlie-tca> virtual scares me
[21:22] <charlie-tca> What happens when the online server gets hacked?
[21:22] <gandalph> the world will going down, of course.
[21:22] <charlie-tca> I like to think I have a little bit of control over it when it is my own hard drive / storage device
[21:23] <becker_11> exactly there was a movie once all records had been put onto computer and some guy got knocked out and by the time he came too his entire exsistance had been erased
[21:23] <becker_11> medical records, financial, birth everything
[21:24] <titan_ark> hola charlie-tca
[21:24] <gandalph> hi titan_ark
[21:24] <titan_ark> gandalph: hi :)
[21:24] <gandalph> becker_11: full-control humans
[21:25] <charlie-tca> they can most of that now, but I think with it in the cloud environment, it would be much easier
[21:25] <becker_11> charlie-tca,  yup!
[21:25] <gandalph> you mean cloud computing?
[21:25] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:26] <gandalph> oh no!
[21:26] <gandalph> i hate this!
[21:26] <gandalph> i dont need cloudcomputing.
[21:27] <gandalph> i hope linux will not support cloudcomputing in the next time.
[21:27] <gandalph> for examples: ubuntu one.
[21:27] <charlie-tca> It is the future... :-)
[21:27] <becker_11> gandalph, it's not needed if you only compute at home but if you work at the office and home or take a laptop or smartphone on the road then it is more of an advantage
[21:27] <Pres-Gas> ummmm...I think that pandora's box has already been opened, gandalph
[21:27] <gandalph> no charlie.
[21:28] <becker_11> yep, I use evernote and can access all my notes on every device I have including via a web browser on a public computer
[21:28] <gandalph> ok, for companies, departments is cloudcomputing good. but for you?
[21:29] <charlie-tca> companies include credit reporting, hospitals, etc
[21:29] <charlie-tca> If they don't have your birth records, you having them on disk won't help
[21:30] <gandalph> new money, documents as bit and byte and so on.
[21:32] <becker_11> look at the new credit cards now. If the purchase is less than say $30 you just wipe your wallet past the device no pin or signing etc and it's paid
[21:33] <charlie-tca> yeah, but how far is "past the device"? I have heard they can pick those cards up at 30 feet
[21:33] <becker_11> charlie-tca,  not sure but if that's thru then that's scary
[21:33] <becker_11> thru = true
[21:37] <gandalph> true, true
[21:38] <gandalph> charlie, becker, it was very nice to talk with you, but i will go in my bed soon. my jop wait to me tomorrow
[21:38] <charlie-tca> see you later, gandalph
[21:39] <becker_11> gandalph,  nite
[21:39] <gandalph> thanks for your all informations about xubuntu
[21:39] <gandalph> i will see you later here
[21:39] <gandalph> nite all!
[21:40] <titan_ark> hey
[21:40] <titan_ark> charlie-tca: how are you doing? long time since i visted this channel :)
[21:40] <charlie-tca> doing fine, thanks
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Glad you came back
[21:40] <titan_ark> you helped me get my 1st linux OS on my box eons back :)
[21:41] <charlie-tca> and it is still working?
[21:41] <titan_ark> yeah, been busy, moved out, now at school again!
[21:42] <titan_ark> ah, the xubuntu boot crashed during a power outage while it was doing an update :(
[21:42] <charlie-tca> not good
[21:42] <titan_ark> that was hours before i was catching my flight
[21:42] <titan_ark> so could do nothing about it
[21:42] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:43] <titan_ark> anyway my parents cant use anything beyond xp :P
[21:43] <titan_ark> no matter how hard i try, so it doesnt matter
[21:43] <charlie-tca> I know that feeling
[21:43] <titan_ark> :D
[21:44] <becker_11> Me too I'm off to bed it was great talking with you charlie-tca
[21:44] <titan_ark> got a new notebook and 9.04 was really troublesome
[21:45] <titan_ark> heating, poor battery, drivers, etc
[21:46] <titan_ark> how have you been doing?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> doing better, I had a bad spell during karmic
[21:47] <titan_ark> oh! thats bad.
[21:48] <charlie-tca> It's fine. Doing great today
[21:48] <titan_ark> i have been facing trouble with the latest kernel update
[21:48] <charlie-tca> 9.10?
[21:48] <titan_ark> nice to hear that :)
[21:48] <titan_ark> yeah
[21:48] <charlie-tca> mine went through with no issues
[21:49] <titan_ark> the moment i update to the latest one, forget the version, it ends in ...30-17
[21:49] <titan_ark> i reboot and then that is the end, cant boot in.
[21:49] <titan_ark> get some filesystem error
[21:49] <charlie-tca> hmmm
[21:49] <charlie-tca> Using ext4
[21:49] <charlie-tca> ?
[21:49] <titan_ark> on wubi :P
[21:50] <titan_ark> dunno which filesystem it uses
[21:50] <titan_ark> as long as i do not do that update i am good
[21:50] <titan_ark> had to re install thrice cos of it
[21:50] <charlie-tca> didn't learn the second time, huh?
[21:51] <titan_ark> in fact a friend who has a similar notebook was doing good until he updated too, but he can boot into the previous version of the kernel
[21:51] <titan_ark> ah, i could not figure out what the problem was. cos i have this properitery broadcom wireless driver also
[21:52] <charlie-tca> strange things happening
[21:53] <titan_ark> i was initially trying fedora and xubuntu via virtual box until i got inquisitive and tried booting OS X :P
[21:53] <titan_ark> all hell broke loose
[21:53] <titan_ark> :D
[21:53] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:54] <titan_ark> i musthave installed OSes some 10 times in the last week :P
[21:54] <charlie-tca> yeah, I know that feeling too :-(
[21:55] <titan_ark> well even now my linux boot is not trouble free, unable to get everything working fine.
[21:55] <titan_ark> but its anyday better than vista and 7 xD
[21:56] <charlie-tca> keep trying. Gotta go now, see you later
[21:56] <titan_ark> oki doki
[21:56] <titan_ark> cya and tc
[22:05] <jji> hallo. i'm new to xubuntu..  my quesion is how can i get mapages
[22:05] <knome> mapages?
[22:06] <jji> mybe i'm wrong that is what i been told
[22:06] <jji> like menual  guide
[22:06] <knome> sorry, i don't understand what "mapages" means
[22:06] <jji> so i can use xubuntu
[22:06] <knome> oh, you mean the *man* pages
[22:07] <jji> i don't know how to useit at all
[22:07] <knome> well, the text-based man-pages are available via the "man" command
[22:07] <jji> yup
[22:07] <knome> "man command" gives you the manual for the command
[22:08] <knome> what are you specifically trying to achieve?
[22:08] <jji> din;t know anything about coomad
[22:08] <jji> so itrying to learn
[22:08] <jji> i'm trying
[22:09] <knome> is english your native language? if you are more comfortable with some other language, there are some other channels for a few other languages :)
[22:09] <jji> i always do that
[22:10] <knome> ah, okay. sorry, no offense meant :)
[22:10] <jji> is ok
[22:10] <knome> so what are you trying to do?
[22:10] <jji> mis typo
[22:10] <jji> i have to  take it eay
[22:10] <knome> there's the help-item in the xfce menu
[22:10] <jji> other wise i type wrong
[22:10] <knome> if you want to browse general documentation
[22:11] <jji> so is therr way to get menual
[22:11] <knome> yes, open the xfce menu and click the "menu" item
[22:11] <knome> that's the official documentation
[22:11] <knome> in addition to that, there is lots of documentation but it sure helps if you know what you are trying to get done. :)
[22:13] <jji> xfc menu how can i get there
[22:13] <jji> ??
[22:13] <jji> i'm new so i don't know anything
[22:13] <knome> you should have two panels in the top and bottom of your screen, right?
[22:13] <knome> the xfce menu is in the top panel, first from the left
[22:13] <jji> on top yes
[22:14] <knome> that's the "applications" menu
[22:14] <jji> application and places
[22:14] <knome> "applications"
[22:14] <jji> ok
[22:14] <knome> click that menu, then click the "help" text
[22:15] <jji> i click it
[22:15] <knome> a browser window should open
[22:15] <jji> i c
[22:15] <jji> i'm in
[22:15] <knome> saying welcome to xubuntu 9.10
[22:15] <jji> yup
[22:15] <knome> there's a link "xubuntu documentation"
[22:15] <knome> click that and you're in the documentation/manual! :)
[22:16] <jji> is this one also have  command info as well
[22:16] <jji> never mind
[22:17] <jji> i found it
[22:17] <jji> thank u
[22:17] <knome> no, there's no information for specific commands, but you don't need to use commands in most of the cases
[22:17] <knome> np, have fun with xubuntu
[22:22] <jji> because i been told that i have to know  command
[22:22] <jji> i had problem with mp3 file and guy told me to  open command window and type sudo .... and got fix
[22:22] <jji> i use to suing window and this is  differnt then  window
[22:25] <knome> jji, re: it is true that some things are easier to do from terminal/command line, if you know the exact command. that's why people who give support usually give you a command. many of these things can also be achieved with graphical ui only.
[22:26] <jji> thank u '
[22:31] <RogerK> hello all, is anyone familiar with xfce on fedora? there seems to be more options on that than xubuntu...I was wondering how i can customize the appearance with xubuntu
[22:31] <knome> RogerK, can you be more specific - what kind of appearance?
[22:31] <RogerK> like i dont even see the option to preload gnome or kde
[22:32] <knome> which version are you running?
[22:32] <RogerK> like actual window settings in xubuntu look horrible
[22:32] <RogerK> 9.10
[22:32] <knome> RogerK, applications -> settings -> session and startup -> tab "advanced"
[22:32] <knome> what do you mean with "actual window settings" ?
[22:33] <RogerK> like window backgrounds, text backgrounds etc. im pretty sure in fedora you could customize all this?
[22:34] <RogerK> & that session and startup tip helped alot knome thanks
[22:34] <knome> RogerK, do you mean applications -> settings -> appearance?
[22:34] <RogerK> or like panel background color
[22:35] <knome> yes, the "styles" change the overall look.
[22:35] <RogerK> right any way to color the styles?
[22:35] <knome> edit the files manually.
[22:35] <RogerK> albatross seems to have broken from black to a dark blue when i start a vnc session
[22:35] <knome> RogerK, could you provide me a screenshot of that?
[22:35] <RogerK> ok ive seen where the files are ill do that thanks a bunch knome
[22:36] <RogerK> yes i can 1 second
[22:41] <RogerK> knome: http://tinypic.com/r/2mcda8j/6
[22:42] <RogerK> thats a screenshot of the vnc im sure you know what the albatross theme normally looks like
[22:45] <RogerK> knome: a pastebin of my xstartup
[22:45] <knome> RogerK, yeah, that's weird
[22:45] <RogerK> http://pastebin.com/m56c9c1c3
[22:46] <RogerK> im not sure if its reproducable i just installed xubuntu late last nite
[22:46] <knome> could you file a bug about it? : https://bugs.launchpad.net/albatross/+filebug
[22:47] <RogerK> yes sir
[22:47] <knome> thanks a lot
[22:47] <knome> i will try to get it fixed for lucid
[22:47] <knome> if not by myself, someone else
[22:48] <knome> hmm, actually
[22:48] <knome> is the theme installed in /usr/share/themes ?
[22:49] <RogerK> i didnt install it it was default with 9.10 but ill check
[22:49] <knome> oh, okay
[22:49] <knome> then it is
[22:49] <RogerK> its the standard theme with 9.10 i believe
[22:50] <knome> yes it is
[22:58] <RogerK> posted https://bugs.launchpad.net/albatross/+bug/506182
[22:59] <RogerK> thanks again for the gnome/kde autostart tip knome, good luck fixing that strange vnc problem! im itchin to play some company of heroes so i have to boot to windows :)