amichairyep, that line is purposely before the next, which does the translation00:01
JontheEchidnaI didnt'00:03
JontheEchidnaI didn't paste the full paste, but translate_widget(child) seems to be calling itself a few times00:03
JontheEchidnamaybe that's related?00:04
amichairit's a recursive function, to translate all children, but no element should be translated more than once00:04
nixternalwoo, just did another bzr merge-package successfully00:21
tseliotRiddell, nixternal: kdebase-workspace built too :-)00:24
nixternalso did glew :)00:25
tseliotI think I can go to bed now00:27
tseliot01:27 AM here00:27
tseliotgood night everyone00:27
Riddellgoing to bed before 2 in the morning? lightweight00:28
JontheEchidnanixternal: I'm helping out with the koffice bug cleanup, hope you don't mind00:39
JontheEchidnahmm, 3 is about all I can do without a working koffice :(00:51
crimsunnixternal: bah00:51
crimsunI just spent four hours fixing bug #505712, and now I get to rebase00:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 505712 in glew "libglew1.5-dev package does not include pkgconfig file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50571200:52
crimsunthanks! :-)00:52
crimsunah well, pull-lp-source it is00:53
crimsunalso, I may as well roll in the rest of the changes I have for 1.5.200:53
=== ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Lucid Alpha 1 Released! | mesa apparently fixed, 4.4 RC1 building again. Be careful out there | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Oustanding merges: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~lucas/merges.html |Congratulations to jussi01
* claydoh wonders what our release notes for Alpha2 should be; Yay mesa is fixed! :)01:42
* ScottK awaits the results of claydoh's genius.01:44
claydohwill 4.4 final be in alpha201:44
claydohScottK genius? hah01:45
ScottKRiddell or JontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.3.90-0ubuntu2/+build/1440998/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.kde4libs_4:4.3.90-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz01:48
ScottKWe'll need another kde4libs upload before we can properly get started.01:49
JontheEchidnaScottK: I can get a testbuild running without that file in the .install file01:54
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I think you forgot to bzr add the knewstuff patch02:01
JontheEchidnaugh, where'd my lucid pbuilder go02:07
=== ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Lucid Alpha 2 is Soon | mesa apparently fixed, 4.4 RC1 building again. Please don't change anything that's not needed to get it build before Alpha 2 | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Oustanding merges: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~lucas/merges.html |Congratulations to jussi01
nixternalcrimsun: ooh, sorry about that, but yeah, my next step was to eventually update it with 1.5.2, but it is all yours now :)02:20
ScottKJontheEchidna: I got a test build started, but go ahead.  With your supercomputer laptop, you'll probably still finish first.02:22
JontheEchidnaheh, it's not that fast. Just really a lot faster than my old piece of crap computer was02:23
JontheEchidnait was like upgrading from Big Wheels to a 3-speed normal bike02:24
JontheEchidnastill ain't a 10-speed, but you fly in comparison02:24
JontheEchidna...plus the internet is being slow so my lucid pbuilder is still downloading02:25
ScottKOK.  It's a race.02:50
nixternalRiddell or ScottK: bug 506246 - if either of you can do the sync that would be great...fixes a bug...then I will MIR03:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 506246 in getfem++ "Sync getfem++ 4.0.0-3 (universe) from Debian sid (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50624603:35
ScottKnixternal: I can't sync any differently than you can (needs shell access).  I'll ask.03:36
nixternaloh, thought you had that03:36
ScottKOnly when I cheat03:37
nixternalI will do the MIR tomorrow anyways, as I will probably be heading to bed shortly03:37
nixternallike I cheat :)03:37
JontheEchidnaScottK: 89%03:37
nixternalso leaving it for JR is fine, unless someone gets to it03:37
ScottKJontheEchidna: You'll finish first.03:37
ScottKnixternal: slangasek is doing it now.03:37
ScottKJontheEchidna: I'm at 65%03:38
nixternalI can build small packages...big packages killed my build machine, and this laptop comes to flames almost when I try and build anything substantial on it03:38
JontheEchidnaProgress indicators is CMake's killer feature, aside from not sucking as hard as autotools03:38
ScottKNot having kdelibs ship an embedded copy of libtool is nice too.03:38
ScottKThis is why I'm reasonably certain the kdelibs build failure on armel won't get fixed.  It's a sefault in the embedded libtool.03:39
ScottKnixternal: Done03:39
* txwikinger hands a fire extinguisher to nixternal03:40
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nixternalScottK: thanks!03:45
ScottKJontheEchidna: Didn't you do the last quassel upload?03:50
ScottK the double build one03:51
JontheEchidnaScottK: yeah03:51
* JontheEchidna got your lart :P03:51
ScottKJontheEchidna: bzr branch needs updating03:51
JontheEchidnaoh, I forgot to push03:51
JontheEchidnaall taken care of now03:53
JontheEchidnalzma still takes forever on this laptop, though at least it remains functional while it lmza's03:54
JontheEchidnaScottK: kde4libs finished, build was successful and list-missing was happy03:54
ScottKJontheEchidna: OK.  And you just removed the one file?03:54
ScottKOK.  Here goes.03:54
ScottKJontheEchidna: IIRC, you're our kdeartwork FTBFS expert...  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeartwork/4:4.3.90-0ubuntu1/+build/1436106/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdeartwork_4:4.3.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz04:26
JontheEchidnaugh, with that package the buildd conditions are somehow different than a main-only pbuilder04:39
JontheEchidna!find /usr/share/kde4/services/ScreenSavers/boing.desktop04:44
ubottuPackage/file /usr/share/kde4/services/ScreenSavers/boing.desktop does not exist in karmic04:44
JontheEchidna!find /usr/share/kde4/services/ScreenSavers/boing.desktop lucid04:44
ubottuFile /usr/share/kde4/services/ScreenSavers/boing.desktop found in kscreensaver04:44
JontheEchidnasee, it was even in the last upload04:44
JontheEchidnathat package changes its mind at whim04:45
ScottKRight, I knew you'd know how to solve it.04:52
JontheEchidnaHow, yes. Why it works, no04:59
ScottKGood enough05:06
JontheEchidnathis package seriously shouldn't have built for the past two releases05:07
JontheEchidnaok, this *should* fix it05:17
JontheEchidnaI think we might be missing a few screensavers in the kscreensavers-xsavers-extra package, but I know good an well touching those at this point is a really bad idea05:20
ScottKNot critical for Alpha 2, so don't mess with it.05:23
ScottKJontheEchidna: Libs built on i386.  Thanks for your help.  I think your artwork upload is the last source upload we need to be able to build ISOs again (a bunch of retries yet).05:37
JontheEchidnajust failed on amd64 after 20sec05:38
JontheEchidnaneeds workspace published05:38
ScottKThat'll be a while.05:38
ScottKI think armel is the only arch it'll build on right now...05:39
ScottKIt can wait until tomorrow.05:39
ScottKOh, I see you uploaded.05:40
ScottKThen we'll see what we get from armel.05:40
=== ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Lucid Alpha 2 is Soon | 4.4 RC1 building again. Please don't change anything that's not needed to get it build before Alpha 2 | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Oustanding merges: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~lucas/merges.html |Congratulations to jussi01
ScottKGood night.05:54
* ScottK is off to bed too.05:54
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=== giLL0r_ is now known as giLL0r
ScottKAny ideas where to get 30MB off the live CDs?11:27
davmor2ScottK: use a plane and spindle arm attached to a drill.  Put the cd on the arm switch on the drill gently position the plane on the extremities until you have shaved off the desired 30 meg :)11:33
ScottKOf course11:34
davmor2ScottK: any other duplicated libs that can be dropped?11:36
hungerRiddell: Thanks for getting rid of the libsensors3 dependency:-)11:37
Riddellhunger: anything you desire sir11:37
* jussi01 waits for hunger to exploit that sentence... :P11:38
ScottKdavmor2: We'll get rid of some when the OOo build finishes, but not nearly enough11:38
jussi01btw, does anyone know are there any applications in the archive capable of opening .stp files?11:38
* hunger wonders why there is a ld.so.conf in /usr/lib/mesa.11:39
alwhere do i see what gets on the live CDs?11:39
ali noticed i have 40 MB worth of /usr/share/doc/*/copyright files, but of course they're smaller when compressed in a .deb11:42
ScottKal: You mean like http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.manifest11:45
alScottK: yep, thanks11:45
Riddellwe have a legal obligation to carry those11:46
alyea but maybe there's other stuff in doc/ like examples/ that could go11:47
davmor2al: examples isn't that big and is useful for testing though11:48
al4 MB on my installation11:49
alwith packages from that manifest11:49
al/usr/share/doc$ while read PKG REST; do [ -d $PKG/examples ] && echo $PKG/examples; done < /tmp/lucid-desktop-i386.manifest | xargs du -hsc | tail -n 111:49
al4.2M    total11:49
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hungerWill lucid enable nepomuk by default? virtuoso seems to be in the repos now, but does not seem to get installed by kubuntu-desktop yet.12:10
Riddellhunger: it's waiting on a main inclusion review, must poke pitti about that12:11
Riddelldpm: do you know a way to convert from translations in .desktop files to a translated .po file?12:13
dpmRiddell, intltool does that12:25
dpmi.e. extract translations from the.desktop file and create a .pot file12:26
Riddelldpm: ah but that's not what I asked12:27
RiddellI want to make a .po file with translations12:27
Riddellnot a template12:27
dpmRiddell, oh, I see, sorry, now I see what you mean.12:27
Riddellit's not normally done in that direction so I don't know if it's possible with intltool or other scripts12:28
dpmRiddell, I've asked danilo to come here when he's ready with his call. He's the co-maintainer of intltool and might be able to better help.12:32
Riddellfreinhard: did anyone look at your opensync packages?12:53
Riddellfreinhard: strigi is compiled in the PPA if you want to test it12:55
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freinhardRiddell: thx for strigi, already tested, one segfault gone, found the next one ;)12:57
freinhardRiddell: got no feedback on the opensync packages yet12:57
Riddellhmm, I think we maybe shouldn't have strigi on by default12:57
Riddellfreinhard: what needs testing with opensync?  do I need fancy devices?12:58
Riddellfreinhard: presumably this shouldn't go in the main archive12:58
freinhardRiddell: it's just about the packaging it's self. opensync 0.39 isn't considered to be stable by it's developers. i just packaged it since i couldn't sync my cell phone with opensync 0.2212:58
freinhard(and maybe this get's more testers and a earlier release of 0.40 ;) )12:59
Riddellnew stable opensync has been a long time in coming12:59
Riddellfreinhard: you'll report that new strigi issue upstream?13:01
danilosRiddell, dpm tells me you are interested in extracting translations from .desktop files with intltool13:05
dpmRiddell, could you ask your question again? I'm sure danilos will be able to help13:05
freinhardRiddell: already reported13:06
Riddell12:13 < Riddell> dpm: do you know a way to convert from translations in .desktop files to a translated .po file?13:08
Riddelldanilos: currently we download desktop .po files from upstream but that isn't entirely reliable or complete13:08
danilosRiddell, so, intltool doesn't support extracting translations from .desktop files13:09
Riddellwe generate the .pot files from .desktop files in the packages, but not the .po files13:09
danilosRiddell, i.e. so this is not where intltool can help13:09
Riddelldanilos: do you know anything that can do it?13:10
danilosRiddell, it shouldn't be too hard to write a script that would support this though13:10
danilosRiddell, it might be worth checking if there isn't already something in translate-toolkit13:10
danilosor po4a13:10
Riddelldanilos: ok I'll look at those13:11
Riddelldanilos: also what is the status, if anything, of the upstream langpacks to ubuntu langpacks comparison QA tool?13:12
danilosRiddell, that's my main priority for this week so we can have the results by the end of it13:12
danilosRiddell, sorry it didn't get done sooner, my health didn't really allow it for the last few weeks13:12
Riddelldanilos: oh great, so long as it hasn't been forgotten13:15
danilosRiddell, also, it might be quicker if you just wrote a quick script for extracting translations yourself13:15
danilosRiddell, oh, not at all13:15
RiddellI might be able to adept KDE's createdesktopcontext.pl script13:16
dpmdanilos, if you are working on the langpacks comparison, the uploaded tarballs are now here: http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/kde-l10n/13:19
danilosdpm, yeah, found them :)13:19
danilosdpm, btw, where did you get them? (I know there are links somewhere in package build pages, but I can never find those pages when I need them :)13:20
danilosdpm, (just to check if there hasn't been any later upload since Dec 24th)13:20
dpmdanilos, I first built them myself, but I realised that for some packages the translations were fetched directly from kde's 'stable' svn and would not be the same ones as the uploaded ones. I then used a LP API script from pitti to get the LP librarian upload URL, and finally I just fetched them. Let me point you to the script...13:22
danilosdpm, ah, cool, thanks13:23
dpmdanilos, here's the script -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~arnegoetje/+junk/translation-tarballs13:24
danilosdpm, I think the easiest ones to compare will be sr@latin and uz@cyrillic because those can't get any changes in LP13:24
danilosdpm, ta13:25
dpmdpm, ah, yeah, and ca@valencia as well (there's another KDE @locale, can't remember it just now)13:26
debfxRiddell: asac basically said that the kde integration patch has to be broken down into seperate patches that fix specific integration bugs13:28
debfxotherwise mozilla probably won't approve the firefox package13:29
dpmdanilos, the Lucid uploads for the 4.3.85 snapshot did not seem to contain any of the @locales, so you might want to start with the karmic uploads13:29
debfxnot sure why suse got it approved though13:29
danilosdpm, right13:29
danilosdpm, are they maybe inside other generic language codes?13:30
dpmdanilos, no, I noticed that the 4.3.85 tag there were a few languages missing, let me check again...13:30
Riddelldebfx: might be worth having him ask mozilla directory what the deal is13:30
ScottKdpm: We're at 4.3.90 now, so perhaps worth a recheck.13:32
dpmgood point ScottK, thanks.13:32
dpmdanilos, perhaps I can look at uploading new tarballs for the 4.3.90 uploads tomorrow13:33
dpmhttp://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.3.90/kde-l10n/ looks better in terms of languages than http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.3.85/kde-l10n/13:33
danilosdpm, right, at the moment, I just care to confirm that we've got a superset of translations in ubuntu compared to last package upload, and I want to make it a tool that makes it easy to compare in the future as well13:35
danilosdpm, so, @ languages are good because there shouldn't be any changes in them13:35
danilosdpm, but, I can test those for karmic for now13:36
dpmdanilos, yeah, I think for now karmic might be the best bet, since upstream translations are stable and if the tool is generic, I guess it can then be used for Lucid comparison without much change13:37
danilosScottK, Riddell, dpm: changelog on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-l10n-sr/4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic2 confuses me a bit though: wasn't change from i18n to l10n done in 4.0?13:37
danilosdpm, right, that's my point13:37
ScottKdanilos: Yes, but there are people that have the old packages still installed due to upgrades13:38
Riddelldanilos: the last bits of kde-i18n (kdewebdev) got moved to kde-l10n recently13:38
danilosScottK, ah, right, so it was about changing a "Replaces:" line or something like that13:38
Riddellso we added the replaces and kde-i18n will die13:38
danilosok, thanks, now it's clearer :)13:39
dpmdanilos, also, you'll find more info and the links to the relevant kde translation branches at13:39
dpm  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE/KubuntuTranslationsLifecycle and13:39
dpm  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE13:39
debfxRiddell: he also said that we'd have to actively work on getting these patches into mozilla trunk13:41
Riddellrbelem: welcome along13:53
rbelemthanks Riddell :-)13:53
Riddellrbelem here is working on Ubuntu Liquid, which is a project using Plasma Mobile to make a variant for small form factor devices without accelaration13:53
ScottKHello rbelem13:57
rbelemhi ScottK :-)13:57
rbelemhere the wiki page about liquid https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/UbuntuLiquid14:00
rbelemany help would be greatly appreciated14:00
JontheEchidnathat's pretty neat14:04
JontheEchidnarbelem: btw, in KDE 4.4 the regular device manager plasmoid has mounting capabilities built in so mountoid will probably not be needed14:07
rbelemJontheEchidna, cool!14:07
JontheEchidnascreenie: http://imagebin.ca/view/m_zmPD.html14:08
Riddellwe should decide if we want to turn that on or not14:08
* Riddell wonders what "share this widget on a network" does14:09
rbelemJontheEchidna, probably there more things that must be updated in the wiki14:10
Tm_TRiddell: remote plasma, let's say another desktop in your home network can show that plasma14:10
Tm_TRiddell: so collect all network access logs to one desktop in plasma widgets (:14:11
RiddellTm_T: over what protocol?14:12
JontheEchidna^I seem to remember it being zeroconf or something, could be wrong14:13
Tm_TRiddell: I don't know what plasma does use for that14:13
Riddell+ wlan0 IPv4 Device Notifier on wido                       _plasma._tcp         local14:14
freinhardit there a "not" for "find . -name filename.ext"? (result should be any file except filename.ext14:15
Riddellfreinhard: probably needs regex14:17
freinhardRiddell: "man find" states that it matches "shell pattern" no idea if that can be done with a shell pattern14:19
Riddelldon't think so14:19
Riddellyou can also do  find . | grep -v filename.ext14:20
freinhardbut usually that's hard to feed into rm because of whitespaces and other chars that need escaping14:20
Riddellfind . -type f | grep -v filename.ext | xargs rm14:21
freinhardnice! thank you!14:23
freinhardshould have read the xargs man page a long time ago ;)14:24
Riddellfreinhard: your opensync package is lacking the python bindings that the current version has, is that deliberate?14:26
freinhardRiddell: there are no python bindings for opensync 0.3914:26
Riddellfair enough14:27
* ScottK suggests perhaps an opensync-ng package14:27
Riddellupstream's website seems pretty insistent that it's not for general use14:27
Mamarokseems we need the ipodslave package for iPhone support in Karmic, any idea where I can find it?14:28
Tm_TMamarok: Amarok in question?14:29
ScottKRiddell: Which is why I think a separate package with lots of scary warnings is the most we should provide.14:29
RiddellMamarok: I have vauge recollections of that from years ago, didn't it die?14:30
JontheEchidnaMamarok: ipodslave is an old kde3 utility that no longer works in kde414:30
freinhardi guess almost everything could be installed in parallel, because 0.22 ships libopensync0 and 0.39 libopensync114:30
freinhardthe only thing that might overlap is the /usr/lib/libopensync.so symlink14:30
Riddellfreinhard: COPYING in libopensync-plugin-file is GPL 2 but source files say LGPL 2 (that's not critical, you can upgrade LGPL to GPL but would be good to get upstream to sort that out)14:30
MamarokRiddell: well, apparently it is needed for iPod Touch and the iPhone in Kubuntu, only distro where those two devices are not mountable14:31
Mamarokseems the others have it14:31
Mamarokif I understood the various forum threads correctly14:31
freinhardwell my packages weren't intended for mainstream use, just for those having problems with 0.22 or willing to test 0.3914:32
MamarokI can only find old stuff from Gutsy so far14:32
ScottKfreinhard: I don't think they need to be co-installable.  I'd imagine people would only need one or the other.14:33
Riddellfreinhard: libopensync-plugin-xmlformat misses a copy of the LGPL14:34
freinhardScottK: as far as i've read on the wiki the complete libopensync api is new. so if there are any programms linking to that oldlib, that might be an issue.14:37
ScottKSo give your -dev package a different name so that doesn't happen by accident14:37
Riddellfreinhard: packging looks good apart from those licencing issues, can you report those upstream?14:38
freinhardRiddell: i reported it on irc, if i don't get a response i'll file a bug or two.14:38
=== ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Lucid Alpha 2 is Soon | 4.4 RC1 built on i386, almost there on amd64. | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Oustanding merges: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~lucas/merges.html |Congratulations to jussi01
=== ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Main frozen for Lucid Alpha 2 | 4.4 RC1 built on i386, almost there on amd64. | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Oustanding merges: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~lucas/merges.html |Congratulations to jussi01
freinhardjust checked the todo. i vote for kaffeine :) got myself a dvb-s2 reciever. built the driver. plugged in, fired up kaffeine, works. no crash ever since then.14:56
* jussi01 loves it that he gets congrats from the channel topic everyday :D rock on :)14:57
agateauAnyone using lucid amd64 in karmic virtualbox?15:00
agateauI get as far as choosing whether I want to install or boot from cd, then I get stuck15:01
freinhardScottK: the -dev package is called libopensync1-dev (vs libopensync0-dev) so there shouldn't be a problem.15:01
Riddellagateau: this is an install or from an ISO?15:02
agateauRiddell: from an iso15:02
Riddellagateau: daily ISOs won't work yet, it's all still building15:02
agateauRiddell: oh15:02
agateauRiddell: should I install from alpha1 then?15:03
Riddellagateau: that's the last known working ISO, or wait a few hours and maybe we'll have an alpha 2 candidate to test (or maybe not)15:03
agateauRiddell: ok thanks15:03
JontheEchidnaagateau, Riddell: latest updates broke KStatusNotifierItems, they're all KSystemTrayIcons now :(15:19
agateauJontheEchidna: are you still running the same session as before update?15:20
JontheEchidnaagateau: is restarting plasma-desktop enough?15:20
agateauJontheEchidna: no, you need to restart kded415:20
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JontheEchidnaall better after a reboot15:25
Riddell"The release of Kaffeine 1.0 is delayed for personal reasons (and I don't really want to release a half-baked version). The new target date is 1st August, stay tuned and thanks for your understanding." hmm, that's a long time away, guess we'll be using dragon15:26
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LureRiddell: or http://bangarangkde.wordpress.com/ and switch again next release?15:28
* Lure hides ;-)15:28
freinhardnone of them can use dvb-c|s|t sticks15:30
RiddellI thought that was a music player15:30
freinhard..besides kaffeine15:30
LureRiddell: it plays video clips too15:30
LureRiddell: but not really in kaffeine level15:30
JontheEchidnaRiddell: re kcm-touchpad, it was rejected for a debian/copyright issue. Is this better? http://pastebin.com/f3469793c16:11
RiddellJontheEchidna: that looks good (assuming it's an accurate reflection)16:12
JontheEchidnaoh, there's a new upstream release now. I'll update the packge and upload it16:12
JontheEchidnaheh, it was released in the past hour in fact16:18
JontheEchidnaRiddell: kcm-touchpad is in new16:36
geniiYay, kdm works again!16:39
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Riddellgenii: what happened?16:55
Riddellglatzor: JontheEchidna's wiki update reminds me that packagekit is due to be updated to 0.5, would that be something to look at once alpha 2 is out?16:56
geniiRiddell: I'm on 10.04, was having to "sudo start kdm" until after todays updates16:57
Riddellthat's promising16:58
alteroois service the new blessed way of starting and stopping things16:59
alteroo someone in #kubuntu was telling me that /etc/init.d was telling them that they shouldn't use that but sudo service17:00
macoor just use upstart commands17:00
JontheEchidnayeah. start <servicename> and stop <servicename> work now too17:01
macosudo start kdm17:01
macosudo stop kdm17:01
alteroois that bashified  so I can say sudo start <tab><tab> and get a list of services?17:02
alteroo I'm on a mac now so I can't check17:02
alterooWork machine17:02
ghostcubebtw rc1 works fine guys good work17:03
ghostcubehavent checked17:03
ghostcubei will test later i hope so17:03
Riddellagateau: should gwenview share its ratings and comments with dolphin?17:08
agateauRiddell: yes17:09
agateaunepomku ftw!17:09
Riddellagateau: hmm, they seem not to here17:13
agateauRiddell: gwenview may require a restart to see updated nepomuk info from Dolphin17:13
agateau(need to fix that)17:13
agateauDolphin should see the changes from Gwenview as soon as they are done17:14
alterooRiddell: it does17:17
Riddellalteroo: what does?17:18
alterooDolphin and gwenview sharing. I haven't tried gwenview and dolphin open at the same time but certainly one then the other in any order shows up17:19
Riddellalteroo: karmic or lucid?17:20
alterookarmic right now17:20
Riddellme too, curious17:20
JontheEchidnaratings sharing works here too in lucid17:20
agateauRiddell: which nepomuk backend?17:21
Riddellagateau: virtuoso17:22
agateaummm should work fine according to sebastien trueg17:22
agateauI have yet to test it though17:23
agateau(hopefully tonight)17:23
Riddellis there a way to see what's in the nepomuk database?  I expect I'd need to write sparql or something scary17:23
agateauRiddell: you can start with nepomuksearch:/ in Gwenview or Nepomuk17:23
agateaugetting deeper will probably need sparql indeed17:24
verbalshadowanyone having issues getting strigi to working, i have virtuoso ( and driver) installed. enabled then in systemsettings and it flutters between indexing, no service in desktop file, idle , and finally stops on service not running. i deleted my ~/.kde/share/config/nepomukserverrc &  ~/.kde/share/config/nepomukstrigirc files and after that deleted ~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/ in hopes that would fix it17:55
verbalshadowwhat i'm i missing17:55
Riddellverbalshadow: it doesn't seem to be in a great mood for most people, usually is keep indexing even when you don't want it to18:01
nixternalhrmm, looks like in lucid we have the ubuntu splash thing18:03
Riddellalpha 2 candidates for testing  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20100112.3/18:03
nixternaloh wow, I am having some craziness with lucid...going into kdm I get either the "out of range" message on my  monitor, or my monitor goes all war games like18:03
nixternaland that ubuntu splash is messed up18:04
* JontheEchidna begins iso download18:06
nixternaldoes the iso have updated kde4 JontheEchidna ?18:07
nixternalif so, I will probably just go that route instead of trying to fix this one18:08
JontheEchidna.manifest says yes18:08
alterooverbalshadow: Do you have the strigi process running?18:08
nixternalhrmm, why am I getting xx_XX.UTF-8... done messages on update?18:08
Riddellnixternal: presumably some locale installed18:09
nixternalnever saw that before...just noticed it on my netbook18:09
verbalshadowalteroo no i don't18:11
alterooverbalshadow: you have nepomuk server18:12
nixternalanyone done an upgrade on lucid yet?18:12
Riddellnot recently18:12
nixternalhrmm, I wonder if plymouth is messing me up here on my desktop18:12
verbalshadowalteroo yes and stub18:12
nixternalI can't get to KDM, my machine just freezes18:13
nixternalthen again, I wonder if that might be due to some sort of hardware failure, as it is my build box and it does seem to be dying18:13
alterooverbalshadow: do you have ratings working in Dolphin?18:13
verbalshadowalteroo no errors when i star18:14
nixternalyowsers, I am getting all of the language-pack-kde packages18:14
alterooverbalshadow: what does that mean?18:14
Riddellagateau: what's the magic command for using zsync on ISOs?18:14
agateauRiddell: zsync http://<url/to/iso.zsync>18:15
agateauhave to go18:15
verbalshadowalteroo it means that i gave a file a rating without error and i checked the rating remains after closing are restarting dolphin18:16
alterooah right :) can you see that rating in something else?18:17
verbalshadowalteroo yes gwenview can see it18:37
alterooverbalshadow: ok cool So that works fine18:39
verbalshadowalteroo i'm at a complete loss :(18:43
alterooverbalshadow: strigi and tags are a little broken now18:44
alteroo Which virtuoso are you using?18:44
verbalshadowalteroo the one in lucid's repos18:45
alterooRiddell: which one is that? 5.0.12 or 6.0.1 rc ?18:45
verbalshadowalteroo 5.0.12 is what it shows me18:49
Riddellonly 5.0.12 has any chance of working18:51
alteroo6.0.1 rc was tried and it's broken/18:56
Riddellit didn't work19:09
alteroobleah.  Errors?19:09
Riddellthere's packages in a PPA19:11
alterooyeah ok19:12
alterooI'll try it later19:12
nixternalRiddell: what is needed for a plymouth splash for Kubuntu?19:17
Riddellnixternal: I don't know, we need to talk to keybuk about it19:18
nixternalroger that19:18
nixternalwho is buying lunch? I am quite hungry right now19:18
Riddellsorry, I finished my hoummous19:19
davmor2nixternal: the first person to say who is buying lunch?19:19
nixternalnice try, but I am broke :(19:19
nixternalfinished current daily install, worked like a champ19:20
nixternalwhy do we have kglobal notices like mad?19:21
nixternalby default19:21
Riddellwho knows, not our doing19:21
Riddellnixternal: please fill in iso.qa.ubuntu.com19:21
nixternalRiddell: doing so now :)19:21
Riddellnixternal: was that amd64 or i386?19:22
nixternaldoing netbook install now too19:23
JontheEchidnai386 iso almost done burning19:24
Riddellcos we don't seem to have i386 alternate ISOs19:24
RiddellI don't know why not19:24
Riddelldebian-installer has kernel ABI 2.6.32-10-generic, but no corresponding udebs are on the CD!19:26
Riddellhmm, the old no corresponding debs malarky19:26
Riddellkubuntu-netbook for the testing too19:28
nixternalheh, I am user/9 on qa.ubuntu.com..that is interesting19:32
JontheEchidnaaside from autologin not working and the leaning tower of knotify, at least the livecd boots19:36
JontheEchidnathe plasma-desktop-appletsrc in kubuntu-default-settings is causing problems, and we probably could have removed the need for it if mesa failure hadn't bogged everything down19:37
JontheEchidnaI wonder if autologin not working is bug 495100....19:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 495100 in consolekit "kdm requires type you details in twice" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49510019:43
alterooJontheEchidna: How do you get in without autologin ?19:44
JontheEchidnaalteroo: nick/pass is ubuntu/<blank>19:45
alterooOh hmm ok19:45
nixternalwho wants to remove sun-java* from kubuntu-restricted-extras?19:45
alteroowhen did that kick in ?19:45
nixternalwe need to yank it quick19:45
nixternalit is going to eventually go bye bye19:45
nixternalplus I want everything in kubuntu-restricted-extras but sun-java19:46
nixternalopenjdk and icedtea work just as well nowadays19:46
nixternalI noticed with the latest isos there is no compositing by default19:46
nixternalin this case, with the mesa 2 stuff, I understand "dude it builds! ship it!" :)19:47
nixternalmesa stuff, dunno why I saw mesa 2, I was thinking alpha 2 and mesa at the same time19:47
JontheEchidnacompositing works fine if you manually enable it. I think somehow it's not turned on by default anymore19:49
JontheEchidnaprobably a matter of editing the default kwinrc19:49
nixternalJontheEchidna: did you get just a blue desktop w/o a wallpaper after installing?19:52
JontheEchidnanixternal: yeah, that's the plasma-desktop-appletsrc that we're using to avoid a crash on startup19:52
nixternalgroovy, just making sure it wasn't just me19:53
JontheEchidnaif mesa hadn't failed I would have backported a patch so that we wouldn't need the plasma-desktop-appletsrc19:53
JontheEchidnaat least we'll have an alpha2 though :)19:55
RiddellX still doesn't work on my thinkpad :(19:55
nixternalRiddell: after new install?20:00
Riddellon a live CD20:01
* JontheEchidna reboots to try his barebones plymouth theme20:12
alteroohi Riddell20:14
alteroohi rickspencer320:14
rickspencer3alteroo, hey20:14
JontheEchidnait has a blue progress bar \o/20:15
alteroohow are you doing?20:15
JontheEchidnastill has the ubuntu logo, but that's to be expected20:15
=== dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates
alteroorickspencer3: How are things going on Desktop Experience?20:17
rickspencer3alteroo, well, that's not actually my team, but I work with them a lot20:17
rickspencer3seems they are doing ok, though20:17
* alteroo nods. You are the most direct line I know to them :)20:18
* nixternal kicks the crap out of kde network mangler20:22
rickspencer3alteroo, oops20:22
nixternalI can't believe it is still a huge piece of dung20:22
rickspencer3bit of a crash20:22
nixternalrickspencer3: time to switch to Kubuntu then :p20:23
alterooha ha20:23
nixternalhey, anytime I get to poke a little fun at him, I do it :)20:23
rickspencer3nixternal, interesting in light of your immediate previous comment20:23
rickspencer3any whoooo20:23
rickspencer3alteroo, you were asking about Dx?20:23
rickspencer3what's up?20:23
nixternalrickspencer3: good point20:23
alteroorickspencer3: are there any metrics that are being used that can be followed ?20:24
rickspencer3they have a burn down chart and such, if that's what you mean20:25
nixternalI just realized, my only i386 box is my netbook...I need to throw together an i386 build box..and I have just the box...gonna head over and steal mums old puter, which is still a 3.0GHz P420:25
alterooWell doesn't every team have a burn down chart?20:26
alterooLast I looked only Kernel was meeting expectations though20:30
alteroonixternal: one issue I can see is that hearing software subscribes to a standard called NOAH to share data which seems to a) be Windows only and b) require a payment of a license to get the docs to work with it20:41
alteroorickspencer3: ha KDE is almost SFTS now :)20:43
alterooSocial From the start20:45
rickspencer3alteroo, yup20:45
alteroorickspencer3: Who decides what social networks are viable for the about me page?20:46
rickspencer3alteroo, I suppose segphault and kenvandine, depends on what they can get into Gwibber20:48
alterooAh ok Why not just use FOAF?20:49
alteroorickspencer3:  or are you supporting FOAF as well? Could be a Kubuntu WebID20:56
rickspencer3what is FOAF?20:57
alterooFriend of a Friend. RDF resource. Standaradised carries personal and social information20:58
nixternalRiddell: per docs, the Todo list should be current...it is on my part...I am planning on sending out an email to the people who are helping for a status report....if they haven't done anything, at this point I am going to rip the doc from them...as my initial goal was to have them all complete, at least a draft, by the end of this month21:19
dhillon-v10nixternal, sorry I forgot to push 1 doc working on it right now :)21:21
nixternalthat's cool, thanks21:22
nixternalall it seems is we need feedback asap from blizzz and gastly..21:23
Lurenixternal: thanks for taking care of koffice 2.x - I just briefly looked into it while doing exiv2 transition21:25
nixternalno prob21:25
LureRiddell: is multiverse right place for such packages: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/package/autopano-sift-c.php21:29
LureRiddell: note about warning21:29
RiddellLure: we don't classify by patents, else everything would be in multiverse21:30
LureRiddell: oh, so you think archive-admins would accept such package in universe?21:31
RiddellLure: this one would21:31
LureRiddell: ok, hugin would work better with it21:32
alteroorickspencer3: with a security key you can use it as portable identity login with attached information21:40
jjessenixternal: i got an email sitting in my queue for a doc file21:40
rickspencer3alteroo, interesting21:40
rickspencer3you should mention it to kenvandine and segphault21:40
alterooI may. not sure if they have the motivation to look at that21:41
rickspencer3alteroo, if it's not KDE specific, I don't know why they wouldn't at least want to know about it21:42
jjessenixternal:  its video.xml don't know if you have reviewed it or not21:42
alteroorickspencer3: It's w3c21:42
alteroorickspencer3: http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/ though I know you don't care :)21:45
rickspencer3alteroo, I care, I'm a bit busy atm, though21:46
alteroorickspencer3: cheers I'll get in touch with segphault21:47
=== alteroo is now known as daskreech
rickspencer3Riddell, may I assume the KDM worked fine?21:51
Riddellrickspencer3: yes it does seem to be ok21:54
rickspencer3Riddell, good21:54
ryanakcaHmmm, has the Alt-F2 shortcut changed in between Beta2 and RC ?21:56
ryanakcaRiddell: Hmmmm... although it's marked as enabled in systemsettings, it doesn't work. Disabling/reenabling the shortcut doesn't fix it either. Can you reproduce or shall I report the bug upstream?22:00
nixternalNamespace Document 1 January 2010 - 3D Edition  <- do I need 3D glasses in order to view this spec? :p22:15
geniiJust some oddities after latest dist-upgrade (KDE 4.3.90) , Firefox one here http://i47.tinypic.com/hs8fh3.png    and apparently no battery on my laptop here http://i45.tinypic.com/21j9hdj.png If I unplug and replug it sees it OK23:12
jtechidnaI have the same behavior irt the battery23:12
=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna
nixternalok, I just brainfarted...how do you stop konqi from asking to save passwords?23:20
Riddellclick Don't Ask?23:26
nixternalhaha, but that only works for that website23:30
nixternalwhoa, webkit+konqi == 100/100 on acid test..nice23:38
Riddellnixternal: how's the integration doing with webkit and konqi?23:42
nixternalnot to bad actually...testing it now23:44
nixternalgmail works like a champ23:44
nixternallp renders correctly with it, whereas it is a total mess with khtml23:45
nixternaltwitter works :p23:46
nixternalooh, even ajaxy websites are working well23:47
nixternaldoesn't do well with identi.ca it seems23:55
nixternalsometimes it renders the theme, sometimes it doesn't23:55
* nixternal goes and eats23:55

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