| amichair | yep, that line is purposely before the next, which does the translation | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| JontheEchidna | I didnt' | 00:03 |
| JontheEchidna | oops | 00:03 |
| JontheEchidna | I didn't paste the full paste, but translate_widget(child) seems to be calling itself a few times | 00:03 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe that's related? | 00:04 |
| amichair | it's a recursive function, to translate all children, but no element should be translated more than once | 00:04 |
| nixternal | woo, just did another bzr merge-package successfully | 00:21 |
| tseliot | Riddell, nixternal: kdebase-workspace built too :-) | 00:24 |
| nixternal | so did glew :) | 00:25 |
| Riddell | yay | 00:26 |
| tseliot | I think I can go to bed now | 00:27 |
| tseliot | 01:27 AM here | 00:27 |
| tseliot | good night everyone | 00:27 |
| Riddell | going to bed before 2 in the morning? lightweight | 00:28 |
| genii | Heh | 00:28 |
| JontheEchidna | nixternal: I'm helping out with the koffice bug cleanup, hope you don't mind | 00:39 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, 3 is about all I can do without a working koffice :( | 00:51 |
| crimsun | nixternal: bah | 00:51 |
| crimsun | I just spent four hours fixing bug #505712, and now I get to rebase | 00:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 505712 in glew "libglew1.5-dev package does not include pkgconfig file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505712 | 00:52 |
| crimsun | thanks! :-) | 00:52 |
| crimsun | ah well, pull-lp-source it is | 00:53 |
| crimsun | also, I may as well roll in the rest of the changes I have for 1.5.2 | 00:53 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Lucid Alpha 1 Released! | mesa apparently fixed, 4.4 RC1 building again. Be careful out there | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Oustanding merges: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~lucas/merges.html |Congratulations to jussi01 | ||
| * claydoh wonders what our release notes for Alpha2 should be; Yay mesa is fixed! :) | 01:42 | |
| * ScottK awaits the results of claydoh's genius. | 01:44 | |
| claydoh | will 4.4 final be in alpha2 | 01:44 |
| ScottK | rc1 | 01:45 |
| claydoh | ScottK genius? hah | 01:45 |
| ScottK | Arghhhhh! | 01:48 |
| ScottK | Riddell or JontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.3.90-0ubuntu2/+build/1440998/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.kde4libs_4:4.3.90-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 01:48 |
| ScottK | We'll need another kde4libs upload before we can properly get started. | 01:49 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: I can get a testbuild running without that file in the .install file | 01:54 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: I think you forgot to bzr add the knewstuff patch | 02:01 |
| JontheEchidna | ugh, where'd my lucid pbuilder go | 02:07 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Lucid Alpha 2 is Soon | mesa apparently fixed, 4.4 RC1 building again. Please don't change anything that's not needed to get it build before Alpha 2 | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Oustanding merges: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~lucas/merges.html |Congratulations to jussi01 | ||
| nixternal | crimsun: ooh, sorry about that, but yeah, my next step was to eventually update it with 1.5.2, but it is all yours now :) | 02:20 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I got a test build started, but go ahead. With your supercomputer laptop, you'll probably still finish first. | 02:22 |
| JontheEchidna | heh, it's not that fast. Just really a lot faster than my old piece of crap computer was | 02:23 |
| JontheEchidna | it was like upgrading from Big Wheels to a 3-speed normal bike | 02:24 |
| JontheEchidna | still ain't a 10-speed, but you fly in comparison | 02:24 |
| JontheEchidna | ...plus the internet is being slow so my lucid pbuilder is still downloading | 02:25 |
| ScottK | OK. It's a race. | 02:50 |
| nixternal | Riddell or ScottK: bug 506246 - if either of you can do the sync that would be great...fixes a bug...then I will MIR | 03:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 506246 in getfem++ "Sync getfem++ 4.0.0-3 (universe) from Debian sid (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506246 | 03:35 |
| ScottK | nixternal: I can't sync any differently than you can (needs shell access). I'll ask. | 03:36 |
| nixternal | oh, thought you had that | 03:36 |
| ScottK | Only when I cheat | 03:37 |
| nixternal | I will do the MIR tomorrow anyways, as I will probably be heading to bed shortly | 03:37 |
| nixternal | like I cheat :) | 03:37 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: 89% | 03:37 |
| nixternal | so leaving it for JR is fine, unless someone gets to it | 03:37 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: You'll finish first. | 03:37 |
| ScottK | nixternal: slangasek is doing it now. | 03:37 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I'm at 65% | 03:38 |
| nixternal | I can build small packages...big packages killed my build machine, and this laptop comes to flames almost when I try and build anything substantial on it | 03:38 |
| JontheEchidna | Progress indicators is CMake's killer feature, aside from not sucking as hard as autotools | 03:38 |
| ScottK | Not having kdelibs ship an embedded copy of libtool is nice too. | 03:38 |
| ScottK | copy/fork | 03:39 |
| JontheEchidna | eww | 03:39 |
| ScottK | This is why I'm reasonably certain the kdelibs build failure on armel won't get fixed. It's a sefault in the embedded libtool. | 03:39 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Done | 03:39 |
| * txwikinger hands a fire extinguisher to nixternal | 03:40 | |
| === stalcup is now known as vorian | ||
| nixternal | ScottK: thanks! | 03:45 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Didn't you do the last quassel upload? | 03:50 |
| ScottK | the double build one | 03:51 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: yeah | 03:51 |
| * JontheEchidna got your lart :P | 03:51 | |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: bzr branch needs updating | 03:51 |
| ScottK | OK | 03:51 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, I forgot to push | 03:51 |
| JontheEchidna | all taken care of now | 03:53 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 03:53 |
| JontheEchidna | lzma still takes forever on this laptop, though at least it remains functional while it lmza's | 03:54 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: kde4libs finished, build was successful and list-missing was happy | 03:54 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: OK. And you just removed the one file? | 03:54 |
| JontheEchidna | yes | 03:54 |
| ScottK | OK. Here goes. | 03:54 |
| ScottK | Gone. | 03:55 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: IIRC, you're our kdeartwork FTBFS expert... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeartwork/4:4.3.90-0ubuntu1/+build/1436106/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdeartwork_4:4.3.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 04:26 |
| JontheEchidna | ugh, with that package the buildd conditions are somehow different than a main-only pbuilder | 04:39 |
| JontheEchidna | !find /usr/share/kde4/services/ScreenSavers/boing.desktop | 04:44 |
| ubottu | Package/file /usr/share/kde4/services/ScreenSavers/boing.desktop does not exist in karmic | 04:44 |
| JontheEchidna | !find /usr/share/kde4/services/ScreenSavers/boing.desktop lucid | 04:44 |
| ubottu | File /usr/share/kde4/services/ScreenSavers/boing.desktop found in kscreensaver | 04:44 |
| JontheEchidna | gah! | 04:44 |
| JontheEchidna | see, it was even in the last upload | 04:44 |
| JontheEchidna | that package changes its mind at whim | 04:45 |
| ScottK | Right, I knew you'd know how to solve it. | 04:52 |
| JontheEchidna | How, yes. Why it works, no | 04:59 |
| ScottK | Good enough | 05:06 |
| JontheEchidna | this package seriously shouldn't have built for the past two releases | 05:07 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, this *should* fix it | 05:17 |
| JontheEchidna | I think we might be missing a few screensavers in the kscreensavers-xsavers-extra package, but I know good an well touching those at this point is a really bad idea | 05:20 |
| ScottK | Not critical for Alpha 2, so don't mess with it. | 05:23 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Libs built on i386. Thanks for your help. I think your artwork upload is the last source upload we need to be able to build ISOs again (a bunch of retries yet). | 05:37 |
| JontheEchidna | just failed on amd64 after 20sec | 05:38 |
| JontheEchidna | (artwork) | 05:38 |
| JontheEchidna | needs workspace published | 05:38 |
| ScottK | That'll be a while. | 05:38 |
| ScottK | I think armel is the only arch it'll build on right now... | 05:39 |
| ScottK | It can wait until tomorrow. | 05:39 |
| ScottK | Oh, I see you uploaded. | 05:40 |
| ScottK | Then we'll see what we get from armel. | 05:40 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Lucid Alpha 2 is Soon | 4.4 RC1 building again. Please don't change anything that's not needed to get it build before Alpha 2 | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Oustanding merges: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~lucas/merges.html |Congratulations to jussi01 | ||
| JontheEchidna | nighty-night | 05:49 |
| ScottK | Good night. | 05:54 |
| * ScottK is off to bed too. | 05:54 | |
| === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying | ||
| === giLL0r_ is now known as giLL0r | ||
| ScottK | Any ideas where to get 30MB off the live CDs? | 11:27 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: use a plane and spindle arm attached to a drill. Put the cd on the arm switch on the drill gently position the plane on the extremities until you have shaved off the desired 30 meg :) | 11:33 |
| ScottK | Of course | 11:34 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: any other duplicated libs that can be dropped? | 11:36 |
| hunger | Riddell: Thanks for getting rid of the libsensors3 dependency:-) | 11:37 |
| Riddell | hunger: anything you desire sir | 11:37 |
| * jussi01 waits for hunger to exploit that sentence... :P | 11:38 | |
| ScottK | davmor2: We'll get rid of some when the OOo build finishes, but not nearly enough | 11:38 |
| jussi01 | btw, does anyone know are there any applications in the archive capable of opening .stp files? | 11:38 |
| * hunger wonders why there is a ld.so.conf in /usr/lib/mesa. | 11:39 | |
| al | where do i see what gets on the live CDs? | 11:39 |
| al | i noticed i have 40 MB worth of /usr/share/doc/*/copyright files, but of course they're smaller when compressed in a .deb | 11:42 |
| ScottK | al: You mean like http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.manifest | 11:45 |
| al | ScottK: yep, thanks | 11:45 |
| Riddell | we have a legal obligation to carry those | 11:46 |
| al | yea but maybe there's other stuff in doc/ like examples/ that could go | 11:47 |
| davmor2 | al: examples isn't that big and is useful for testing though | 11:48 |
| al | 4 MB on my installation | 11:49 |
| al | with packages from that manifest | 11:49 |
| al | /usr/share/doc$ while read PKG REST; do [ -d $PKG/examples ] && echo $PKG/examples; done < /tmp/lucid-desktop-i386.manifest | xargs du -hsc | tail -n 1 | 11:49 |
| al | 4.2M total | 11:49 |
| === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok | ||
| hunger | Will lucid enable nepomuk by default? virtuoso seems to be in the repos now, but does not seem to get installed by kubuntu-desktop yet. | 12:10 |
| Riddell | hunger: it's waiting on a main inclusion review, must poke pitti about that | 12:11 |
| hunger | great! | 12:11 |
| Riddell | dpm: do you know a way to convert from translations in .desktop files to a translated .po file? | 12:13 |
| dpm | Riddell, intltool does that | 12:25 |
| dpm | i.e. extract translations from the.desktop file and create a .pot file | 12:26 |
| Riddell | dpm: ah but that's not what I asked | 12:27 |
| Riddell | I want to make a .po file with translations | 12:27 |
| Riddell | not a template | 12:27 |
| dpm | Riddell, oh, I see, sorry, now I see what you mean. | 12:27 |
| Riddell | it's not normally done in that direction so I don't know if it's possible with intltool or other scripts | 12:28 |
| dpm | Riddell, I've asked danilo to come here when he's ready with his call. He's the co-maintainer of intltool and might be able to better help. | 12:32 |
| Riddell | freinhard: did anyone look at your opensync packages? | 12:53 |
| Riddell | freinhard: strigi is compiled in the PPA if you want to test it | 12:55 |
| === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk | ||
| freinhard | Riddell: thx for strigi, already tested, one segfault gone, found the next one ;) | 12:57 |
| freinhard | Riddell: got no feedback on the opensync packages yet | 12:57 |
| Riddell | hmm, I think we maybe shouldn't have strigi on by default | 12:57 |
| Riddell | freinhard: what needs testing with opensync? do I need fancy devices? | 12:58 |
| Riddell | freinhard: presumably this shouldn't go in the main archive | 12:58 |
| freinhard | Riddell: it's just about the packaging it's self. opensync 0.39 isn't considered to be stable by it's developers. i just packaged it since i couldn't sync my cell phone with opensync 0.22 | 12:58 |
| freinhard | (and maybe this get's more testers and a earlier release of 0.40 ;) ) | 12:59 |
| Riddell | new stable opensync has been a long time in coming | 12:59 |
| Riddell | freinhard: you'll report that new strigi issue upstream? | 13:01 |
| danilos | hi | 13:05 |
| danilos | Riddell, dpm tells me you are interested in extracting translations from .desktop files with intltool | 13:05 |
| dpm | Riddell, could you ask your question again? I'm sure danilos will be able to help | 13:05 |
| freinhard | Riddell: already reported | 13:06 |
| Riddell | 12:13 < Riddell> dpm: do you know a way to convert from translations in .desktop files to a translated .po file? | 13:08 |
| Riddell | danilos: currently we download desktop .po files from upstream but that isn't entirely reliable or complete | 13:08 |
| danilos | Riddell, so, intltool doesn't support extracting translations from .desktop files | 13:09 |
| Riddell | we generate the .pot files from .desktop files in the packages, but not the .po files | 13:09 |
| danilos | Riddell, i.e. so this is not where intltool can help | 13:09 |
| Riddell | danilos: do you know anything that can do it? | 13:10 |
| danilos | Riddell, it shouldn't be too hard to write a script that would support this though | 13:10 |
| danilos | Riddell, it might be worth checking if there isn't already something in translate-toolkit | 13:10 |
| danilos | or po4a | 13:10 |
| Riddell | danilos: ok I'll look at those | 13:11 |
| Riddell | danilos: also what is the status, if anything, of the upstream langpacks to ubuntu langpacks comparison QA tool? | 13:12 |
| danilos | Riddell, that's my main priority for this week so we can have the results by the end of it | 13:12 |
| danilos | Riddell, sorry it didn't get done sooner, my health didn't really allow it for the last few weeks | 13:12 |
| Riddell | danilos: oh great, so long as it hasn't been forgotten | 13:15 |
| danilos | Riddell, also, it might be quicker if you just wrote a quick script for extracting translations yourself | 13:15 |
| danilos | Riddell, oh, not at all | 13:15 |
| Riddell | I might be able to adept KDE's createdesktopcontext.pl script | 13:16 |
| dpm | danilos, if you are working on the langpacks comparison, the uploaded tarballs are now here: http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/kde-l10n/ | 13:19 |
| danilos | dpm, yeah, found them :) | 13:19 |
| danilos | dpm, btw, where did you get them? (I know there are links somewhere in package build pages, but I can never find those pages when I need them :) | 13:20 |
| danilos | dpm, (just to check if there hasn't been any later upload since Dec 24th) | 13:20 |
| dpm | danilos, I first built them myself, but I realised that for some packages the translations were fetched directly from kde's 'stable' svn and would not be the same ones as the uploaded ones. I then used a LP API script from pitti to get the LP librarian upload URL, and finally I just fetched them. Let me point you to the script... | 13:22 |
| danilos | dpm, ah, cool, thanks | 13:23 |
| dpm | danilos, here's the script -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~arnegoetje/+junk/translation-tarballs | 13:24 |
| danilos | dpm, I think the easiest ones to compare will be sr@latin and uz@cyrillic because those can't get any changes in LP | 13:24 |
| danilos | dpm, ta | 13:25 |
| dpm | dpm, ah, yeah, and ca@valencia as well (there's another KDE @locale, can't remember it just now) | 13:26 |
| debfx | Riddell: asac basically said that the kde integration patch has to be broken down into seperate patches that fix specific integration bugs | 13:28 |
| debfx | otherwise mozilla probably won't approve the firefox package | 13:29 |
| dpm | danilos, the Lucid uploads for the 4.3.85 snapshot did not seem to contain any of the @locales, so you might want to start with the karmic uploads | 13:29 |
| debfx | not sure why suse got it approved though | 13:29 |
| danilos | dpm, right | 13:29 |
| danilos | dpm, are they maybe inside other generic language codes? | 13:30 |
| dpm | danilos, no, I noticed that the 4.3.85 tag there were a few languages missing, let me check again... | 13:30 |
| Riddell | debfx: might be worth having him ask mozilla directory what the deal is | 13:30 |
| ScottK | dpm: We're at 4.3.90 now, so perhaps worth a recheck. | 13:32 |
| dpm | good point ScottK, thanks. | 13:32 |
| dpm | danilos, perhaps I can look at uploading new tarballs for the 4.3.90 uploads tomorrow | 13:33 |
| dpm | http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.3.90/kde-l10n/ looks better in terms of languages than http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.3.85/kde-l10n/ | 13:33 |
| danilos | dpm, right, at the moment, I just care to confirm that we've got a superset of translations in ubuntu compared to last package upload, and I want to make it a tool that makes it easy to compare in the future as well | 13:35 |
| danilos | dpm, so, @ languages are good because there shouldn't be any changes in them | 13:35 |
| danilos | dpm, but, I can test those for karmic for now | 13:36 |
| dpm | danilos, yeah, I think for now karmic might be the best bet, since upstream translations are stable and if the tool is generic, I guess it can then be used for Lucid comparison without much change | 13:37 |
| danilos | ScottK, Riddell, dpm: changelog on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-l10n-sr/4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic2 confuses me a bit though: wasn't change from i18n to l10n done in 4.0? | 13:37 |
| danilos | dpm, right, that's my point | 13:37 |
| ScottK | danilos: Yes, but there are people that have the old packages still installed due to upgrades | 13:38 |
| Riddell | danilos: the last bits of kde-i18n (kdewebdev) got moved to kde-l10n recently | 13:38 |
| danilos | ScottK, ah, right, so it was about changing a "Replaces:" line or something like that | 13:38 |
| ScottK | Yes | 13:38 |
| Riddell | so we added the replaces and kde-i18n will die | 13:38 |
| danilos | ok, thanks, now it's clearer :) | 13:39 |
| dpm | danilos, also, you'll find more info and the links to the relevant kde translation branches at | 13:39 |
| dpm | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE/KubuntuTranslationsLifecycle and | 13:39 |
| dpm | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE | 13:39 |
| debfx | Riddell: he also said that we'd have to actively work on getting these patches into mozilla trunk | 13:41 |
| Riddell | rbelem: welcome along | 13:53 |
| rbelem | thanks Riddell :-) | 13:53 |
| Riddell | rbelem here is working on Ubuntu Liquid, which is a project using Plasma Mobile to make a variant for small form factor devices without accelaration | 13:53 |
| ScottK | Hello rbelem | 13:57 |
| rbelem | hi ScottK :-) | 13:57 |
| rbelem | here the wiki page about liquid https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/UbuntuLiquid | 14:00 |
| rbelem | any help would be greatly appreciated | 14:00 |
| rbelem | :-) | 14:00 |
| JontheEchidna | that's pretty neat | 14:04 |
| JontheEchidna | rbelem: btw, in KDE 4.4 the regular device manager plasmoid has mounting capabilities built in so mountoid will probably not be needed | 14:07 |
| rbelem | JontheEchidna, cool! | 14:07 |
| JontheEchidna | screenie: http://imagebin.ca/view/m_zmPD.html | 14:08 |
| Riddell | we should decide if we want to turn that on or not | 14:08 |
| * Riddell wonders what "share this widget on a network" does | 14:09 | |
| rbelem | JontheEchidna, probably there more things that must be updated in the wiki | 14:10 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: remote plasma, let's say another desktop in your home network can show that plasma | 14:10 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: so collect all network access logs to one desktop in plasma widgets (: | 14:11 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: over what protocol? | 14:12 |
| JontheEchidna | ^I seem to remember it being zeroconf or something, could be wrong | 14:13 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I don't know what plasma does use for that | 14:13 |
| Riddell | + wlan0 IPv4 Device Notifier on wido _plasma._tcp local | 14:14 |
| freinhard | it there a "not" for "find . -name filename.ext"? (result should be any file except filename.ext | 14:15 |
| Riddell | freinhard: probably needs regex | 14:17 |
| freinhard | Riddell: "man find" states that it matches "shell pattern" no idea if that can be done with a shell pattern | 14:19 |
| Riddell | don't think so | 14:19 |
| Riddell | you can also do find . | grep -v filename.ext | 14:20 |
| freinhard | but usually that's hard to feed into rm because of whitespaces and other chars that need escaping | 14:20 |
| Riddell | find . -type f | grep -v filename.ext | xargs rm | 14:21 |
| freinhard | nice! thank you! | 14:23 |
| freinhard | should have read the xargs man page a long time ago ;) | 14:24 |
| Riddell | freinhard: your opensync package is lacking the python bindings that the current version has, is that deliberate? | 14:26 |
| freinhard | Riddell: there are no python bindings for opensync 0.39 | 14:26 |
| Riddell | fair enough | 14:27 |
| * ScottK suggests perhaps an opensync-ng package | 14:27 | |
| Riddell | upstream's website seems pretty insistent that it's not for general use | 14:27 |
| Mamarok | seems we need the ipodslave package for iPhone support in Karmic, any idea where I can find it? | 14:28 |
| Tm_T | Mamarok: Amarok in question? | 14:29 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Which is why I think a separate package with lots of scary warnings is the most we should provide. | 14:29 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: I have vauge recollections of that from years ago, didn't it die? | 14:30 |
| JontheEchidna | Mamarok: ipodslave is an old kde3 utility that no longer works in kde4 | 14:30 |
| freinhard | i guess almost everything could be installed in parallel, because 0.22 ships libopensync0 and 0.39 libopensync1 | 14:30 |
| freinhard | the only thing that might overlap is the /usr/lib/libopensync.so symlink | 14:30 |
| Riddell | freinhard: COPYING in libopensync-plugin-file is GPL 2 but source files say LGPL 2 (that's not critical, you can upgrade LGPL to GPL but would be good to get upstream to sort that out) | 14:30 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: well, apparently it is needed for iPod Touch and the iPhone in Kubuntu, only distro where those two devices are not mountable | 14:31 |
| Mamarok | seems the others have it | 14:31 |
| Mamarok | if I understood the various forum threads correctly | 14:31 |
| freinhard | well my packages weren't intended for mainstream use, just for those having problems with 0.22 or willing to test 0.39 | 14:32 |
| Mamarok | I can only find old stuff from Gutsy so far | 14:32 |
| ScottK | freinhard: I don't think they need to be co-installable. I'd imagine people would only need one or the other. | 14:33 |
| Riddell | freinhard: libopensync-plugin-xmlformat misses a copy of the LGPL | 14:34 |
| freinhard | ScottK: as far as i've read on the wiki the complete libopensync api is new. so if there are any programms linking to that oldlib, that might be an issue. | 14:37 |
| ScottK | So give your -dev package a different name so that doesn't happen by accident | 14:37 |
| Riddell | freinhard: packging looks good apart from those licencing issues, can you report those upstream? | 14:38 |
| freinhard | Riddell: i reported it on irc, if i don't get a response i'll file a bug or two. | 14:38 |
| Riddell | thanks | 14:38 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Lucid Alpha 2 is Soon | 4.4 RC1 built on i386, almost there on amd64. | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Oustanding merges: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~lucas/merges.html |Congratulations to jussi01 | ||
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Main frozen for Lucid Alpha 2 | 4.4 RC1 built on i386, almost there on amd64. | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Oustanding merges: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~lucas/merges.html |Congratulations to jussi01 | ||
| freinhard | just checked the todo. i vote for kaffeine :) got myself a dvb-s2 reciever. built the driver. plugged in, fired up kaffeine, works. no crash ever since then. | 14:56 |
| * jussi01 loves it that he gets congrats from the channel topic everyday :D rock on :) | 14:57 | |
| agateau | Anyone using lucid amd64 in karmic virtualbox? | 15:00 |
| agateau | I get as far as choosing whether I want to install or boot from cd, then I get stuck | 15:01 |
| freinhard | ScottK: the -dev package is called libopensync1-dev (vs libopensync0-dev) so there shouldn't be a problem. | 15:01 |
| Riddell | agateau: this is an install or from an ISO? | 15:02 |
| agateau | Riddell: from an iso | 15:02 |
| Riddell | agateau: daily ISOs won't work yet, it's all still building | 15:02 |
| agateau | Riddell: oh | 15:02 |
| agateau | Riddell: should I install from alpha1 then? | 15:03 |
| Riddell | agateau: that's the last known working ISO, or wait a few hours and maybe we'll have an alpha 2 candidate to test (or maybe not) | 15:03 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok thanks | 15:03 |
| JontheEchidna | agateau, Riddell: latest updates broke KStatusNotifierItems, they're all KSystemTrayIcons now :( | 15:19 |
| agateau | JontheEchidna: are you still running the same session as before update? | 15:20 |
| JontheEchidna | agateau: is restarting plasma-desktop enough? | 15:20 |
| agateau | JontheEchidna: no, you need to restart kded4 | 15:20 |
| JontheEchidna | kk | 15:20 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| JontheEchidna | all better after a reboot | 15:25 |
| agateau | good | 15:25 |
| Riddell | "The release of Kaffeine 1.0 is delayed for personal reasons (and I don't really want to release a half-baked version). The new target date is 1st August, stay tuned and thanks for your understanding." hmm, that's a long time away, guess we'll be using dragon | 15:26 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| Lure | Riddell: or http://bangarangkde.wordpress.com/ and switch again next release? | 15:28 |
| * Lure hides ;-) | 15:28 | |
| freinhard | none of them can use dvb-c|s|t sticks | 15:30 |
| Riddell | I thought that was a music player | 15:30 |
| freinhard | ..besides kaffeine | 15:30 |
| Lure | Riddell: it plays video clips too | 15:30 |
| Lure | Riddell: but not really in kaffeine level | 15:30 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: re kcm-touchpad, it was rejected for a debian/copyright issue. Is this better? http://pastebin.com/f3469793c | 16:11 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: that looks good (assuming it's an accurate reflection) | 16:12 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, there's a new upstream release now. I'll update the packge and upload it | 16:12 |
| JontheEchidna | heh, it was released in the past hour in fact | 16:18 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: kcm-touchpad is in new | 16:36 |
| genii | Yay, kdm works again! | 16:39 |
| alteroo | \o/ | 16:39 |
| === verbalshadow_ is now known as verbalshadow | ||
| Riddell | genii: what happened? | 16:55 |
| Riddell | glatzor: JontheEchidna's wiki update reminds me that packagekit is due to be updated to 0.5, would that be something to look at once alpha 2 is out? | 16:56 |
| genii | Riddell: I'm on 10.04, was having to "sudo start kdm" until after todays updates | 16:57 |
| Riddell | that's promising | 16:58 |
| alteroo | is service the new blessed way of starting and stopping things | 16:59 |
| alteroo | someone in #kubuntu was telling me that /etc/init.d was telling them that they shouldn't use that but sudo service | 17:00 |
| maco | or just use upstart commands | 17:00 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah. start <servicename> and stop <servicename> work now too | 17:01 |
| maco | sudo start kdm | 17:01 |
| maco | sudo stop kdm | 17:01 |
| alteroo | Oh | 17:01 |
| alteroo | hmm | 17:01 |
| alteroo | ok | 17:01 |
| alteroo | is that bashified so I can say sudo start <tab><tab> and get a list of services? | 17:02 |
| alteroo | I'm on a mac now so I can't check | 17:02 |
| alteroo | Work machine | 17:02 |
| ghostcube | btw rc1 works fine guys good work | 17:03 |
| ghostcube | :) | 17:03 |
| alteroo | Nepomuk? | 17:03 |
| ghostcube | havent checked | 17:03 |
| ghostcube | :) | 17:03 |
| ghostcube | i will test later i hope so | 17:03 |
| Riddell | agateau: should gwenview share its ratings and comments with dolphin? | 17:08 |
| agateau | Riddell: yes | 17:09 |
| agateau | nepomku ftw! | 17:09 |
| Riddell | agateau: hmm, they seem not to here | 17:13 |
| agateau | Riddell: gwenview may require a restart to see updated nepomuk info from Dolphin | 17:13 |
| agateau | (need to fix that) | 17:13 |
| agateau | Dolphin should see the changes from Gwenview as soon as they are done | 17:14 |
| alteroo | Riddell: it does | 17:17 |
| Riddell | alteroo: what does? | 17:18 |
| alteroo | Dolphin and gwenview sharing. I haven't tried gwenview and dolphin open at the same time but certainly one then the other in any order shows up | 17:19 |
| Riddell | alteroo: karmic or lucid? | 17:20 |
| alteroo | karmic right now | 17:20 |
| Riddell | me too, curious | 17:20 |
| JontheEchidna | ratings sharing works here too in lucid | 17:20 |
| agateau | Riddell: which nepomuk backend? | 17:21 |
| Riddell | agateau: virtuoso | 17:22 |
| agateau | mmm should work fine according to sebastien trueg | 17:22 |
| agateau | I have yet to test it though | 17:23 |
| agateau | (hopefully tonight) | 17:23 |
| Riddell | is there a way to see what's in the nepomuk database? I expect I'd need to write sparql or something scary | 17:23 |
| agateau | Riddell: you can start with nepomuksearch:/ in Gwenview or Nepomuk | 17:23 |
| agateau | getting deeper will probably need sparql indeed | 17:24 |
| verbalshadow | anyone having issues getting strigi to working, i have virtuoso ( and driver) installed. enabled then in systemsettings and it flutters between indexing, no service in desktop file, idle , and finally stops on service not running. i deleted my ~/.kde/share/config/nepomukserverrc & ~/.kde/share/config/nepomukstrigirc files and after that deleted ~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/ in hopes that would fix it | 17:55 |
| verbalshadow | what i'm i missing | 17:55 |
| Riddell | verbalshadow: it doesn't seem to be in a great mood for most people, usually is keep indexing even when you don't want it to | 18:01 |
| verbalshadow | :( | 18:02 |
| nixternal | hrmm, looks like in lucid we have the ubuntu splash thing | 18:03 |
| Riddell | alpha 2 candidates for testing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20100112.3/ | 18:03 |
| nixternal | oh wow, I am having some craziness with lucid...going into kdm I get either the "out of range" message on my monitor, or my monitor goes all war games like | 18:03 |
| nixternal | and that ubuntu splash is messed up | 18:04 |
| * JontheEchidna begins iso download | 18:06 | |
| nixternal | does the iso have updated kde4 JontheEchidna ? | 18:07 |
| nixternal | if so, I will probably just go that route instead of trying to fix this one | 18:08 |
| JontheEchidna | .manifest says yes | 18:08 |
| alteroo | verbalshadow: Do you have the strigi process running? | 18:08 |
| nixternal | hrmm, why am I getting xx_XX.UTF-8... done messages on update? | 18:08 |
| Riddell | nixternal: presumably some locale installed | 18:09 |
| nixternal | never saw that before...just noticed it on my netbook | 18:09 |
| verbalshadow | alteroo no i don't | 18:11 |
| alteroo | verbalshadow: you have nepomuk server | 18:12 |
| nixternal | anyone done an upgrade on lucid yet? | 18:12 |
| Riddell | not recently | 18:12 |
| nixternal | hrmm, I wonder if plymouth is messing me up here on my desktop | 18:12 |
| verbalshadow | alteroo yes and stub | 18:12 |
| nixternal | I can't get to KDM, my machine just freezes | 18:13 |
| nixternal | then again, I wonder if that might be due to some sort of hardware failure, as it is my build box and it does seem to be dying | 18:13 |
| alteroo | verbalshadow: do you have ratings working in Dolphin? | 18:13 |
| verbalshadow | alteroo no errors when i star | 18:14 |
| nixternal | yowsers, I am getting all of the language-pack-kde packages | 18:14 |
| alteroo | verbalshadow: what does that mean? | 18:14 |
| Riddell | agateau: what's the magic command for using zsync on ISOs? | 18:14 |
| agateau | Riddell: zsync http://<url/to/iso.zsync> | 18:15 |
| agateau | have to go | 18:15 |
| verbalshadow | alteroo it means that i gave a file a rating without error and i checked the rating remains after closing are restarting dolphin | 18:16 |
| verbalshadow | bbs | 18:17 |
| alteroo | ah right :) can you see that rating in something else? | 18:17 |
| verbalshadow | alteroo yes gwenview can see it | 18:37 |
| alteroo | verbalshadow: ok cool So that works fine | 18:39 |
| verbalshadow | alteroo i'm at a complete loss :( | 18:43 |
| alteroo | verbalshadow: strigi and tags are a little broken now | 18:44 |
| alteroo | Which virtuoso are you using? | 18:44 |
| verbalshadow | alteroo the one in lucid's repos | 18:45 |
| alteroo | Riddell: which one is that? 5.0.12 or 6.0.1 rc ? | 18:45 |
| verbalshadow | alteroo 5.0.12 is what it shows me | 18:49 |
| Riddell | only 5.0.12 has any chance of working | 18:51 |
| alteroo | 6.0.1 rc was tried and it's broken/ | 18:56 |
| alteroo | ? | 18:56 |
| Riddell | it didn't work | 19:09 |
| alteroo | bleah. Errors? | 19:09 |
| Riddell | dunno | 19:11 |
| Riddell | there's packages in a PPA | 19:11 |
| alteroo | yeah ok | 19:12 |
| alteroo | I'll try it later | 19:12 |
| nixternal | Riddell: what is needed for a plymouth splash for Kubuntu? | 19:17 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I don't know, we need to talk to keybuk about it | 19:18 |
| nixternal | roger that | 19:18 |
| nixternal | who is buying lunch? I am quite hungry right now | 19:18 |
| Riddell | sorry, I finished my hoummous | 19:19 |
| davmor2 | nixternal: the first person to say who is buying lunch? | 19:19 |
| nixternal | nice try, but I am broke :( | 19:19 |
| nixternal | finished current daily install, worked like a champ | 19:20 |
| nixternal | why do we have kglobal notices like mad? | 19:21 |
| nixternal | by default | 19:21 |
| Riddell | who knows, not our doing | 19:21 |
| Riddell | nixternal: please fill in iso.qa.ubuntu.com | 19:21 |
| nixternal | Riddell: doing so now :) | 19:21 |
| Riddell | nixternal: was that amd64 or i386? | 19:22 |
| nixternal | amd64 | 19:22 |
| nixternal | doing netbook install now too | 19:23 |
| JontheEchidna | i386 iso almost done burning | 19:24 |
| Riddell | cos we don't seem to have i386 alternate ISOs | 19:24 |
| Riddell | I don't know why not | 19:24 |
| Riddell | debian-installer has kernel ABI 2.6.32-10-generic, but no corresponding udebs are on the CD! | 19:26 |
| Riddell | hmm, the old no corresponding debs malarky | 19:26 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-netbook for the testing too | 19:28 |
| nixternal | heh, I am user/9 on qa.ubuntu.com..that is interesting | 19:32 |
| JontheEchidna | aside from autologin not working and the leaning tower of knotify, at least the livecd boots | 19:36 |
| JontheEchidna | the plasma-desktop-appletsrc in kubuntu-default-settings is causing problems, and we probably could have removed the need for it if mesa failure hadn't bogged everything down | 19:37 |
| JontheEchidna | I wonder if autologin not working is bug 495100.... | 19:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 495100 in consolekit "kdm requires type you details in twice" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495100 | 19:43 |
| alteroo | JontheEchidna: How do you get in without autologin ? | 19:44 |
| JontheEchidna | alteroo: nick/pass is ubuntu/<blank> | 19:45 |
| alteroo | Oh hmm ok | 19:45 |
| nixternal | who wants to remove sun-java* from kubuntu-restricted-extras? | 19:45 |
| alteroo | when did that kick in ? | 19:45 |
| nixternal | we need to yank it quick | 19:45 |
| alteroo | why? | 19:45 |
| nixternal | it is going to eventually go bye bye | 19:45 |
| nixternal | plus I want everything in kubuntu-restricted-extras but sun-java | 19:46 |
| nixternal | openjdk and icedtea work just as well nowadays | 19:46 |
| nixternal | I noticed with the latest isos there is no compositing by default | 19:46 |
| nixternal | in this case, with the mesa 2 stuff, I understand "dude it builds! ship it!" :) | 19:47 |
| nixternal | mesa stuff, dunno why I saw mesa 2, I was thinking alpha 2 and mesa at the same time | 19:47 |
| JontheEchidna | compositing works fine if you manually enable it. I think somehow it's not turned on by default anymore | 19:49 |
| nixternal | yeah | 19:49 |
| JontheEchidna | probably a matter of editing the default kwinrc | 19:49 |
| nixternal | JontheEchidna: did you get just a blue desktop w/o a wallpaper after installing? | 19:52 |
| JontheEchidna | nixternal: yeah, that's the plasma-desktop-appletsrc that we're using to avoid a crash on startup | 19:52 |
| nixternal | groovy, just making sure it wasn't just me | 19:53 |
| JontheEchidna | if mesa hadn't failed I would have backported a patch so that we wouldn't need the plasma-desktop-appletsrc | 19:53 |
| JontheEchidna | at least we'll have an alpha2 though :) | 19:55 |
| Riddell | X still doesn't work on my thinkpad :( | 19:55 |
| nixternal | Riddell: after new install? | 20:00 |
| Riddell | on a live CD | 20:01 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 20:01 |
| * JontheEchidna reboots to try his barebones plymouth theme | 20:12 | |
| alteroo | hi Riddell | 20:14 |
| alteroo | bah | 20:14 |
| alteroo | hi rickspencer3 | 20:14 |
| rickspencer3 | alteroo, hey | 20:14 |
| JontheEchidna | it has a blue progress bar \o/ | 20:15 |
| alteroo | how are you doing? | 20:15 |
| JontheEchidna | still has the ubuntu logo, but that's to be expected | 20:15 |
| rickspencer3 | okeedokee | 20:15 |
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| alteroo | rickspencer3: How are things going on Desktop Experience? | 20:17 |
| rickspencer3 | alteroo, well, that's not actually my team, but I work with them a lot | 20:17 |
| rickspencer3 | seems they are doing ok, though | 20:17 |
| * alteroo nods. You are the most direct line I know to them :) | 20:18 | |
| * nixternal kicks the crap out of kde network mangler | 20:22 | |
| rickspencer3 | alteroo, oops | 20:22 |
| nixternal | I can't believe it is still a huge piece of dung | 20:22 |
| rickspencer3 | bit of a crash | 20:22 |
| nixternal | rickspencer3: time to switch to Kubuntu then :p | 20:23 |
| alteroo | ha ha | 20:23 |
| nixternal | hey, anytime I get to poke a little fun at him, I do it :) | 20:23 |
| rickspencer3 | nixternal, interesting in light of your immediate previous comment | 20:23 |
| rickspencer3 | any whoooo | 20:23 |
| rickspencer3 | alteroo, you were asking about Dx? | 20:23 |
| rickspencer3 | what's up? | 20:23 |
| nixternal | rickspencer3: good point | 20:23 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 20:24 |
| alteroo | rickspencer3: are there any metrics that are being used that can be followed ? | 20:24 |
| rickspencer3 | they have a burn down chart and such, if that's what you mean | 20:25 |
| nixternal | I just realized, my only i386 box is my netbook...I need to throw together an i386 build box..and I have just the box...gonna head over and steal mums old puter, which is still a 3.0GHz P4 | 20:25 |
| alteroo | Well doesn't every team have a burn down chart? | 20:26 |
| alteroo | Last I looked only Kernel was meeting expectations though | 20:30 |
| alteroo | nixternal: one issue I can see is that hearing software subscribes to a standard called NOAH to share data which seems to a) be Windows only and b) require a payment of a license to get the docs to work with it | 20:41 |
| alteroo | rickspencer3: ha KDE is almost SFTS now :) | 20:43 |
| rickspencer3 | SFTS? | 20:44 |
| alteroo | Social From the start | 20:45 |
| rickspencer3 | alteroo, yup | 20:45 |
| alteroo | rickspencer3: Who decides what social networks are viable for the about me page? | 20:46 |
| rickspencer3 | alteroo, I suppose segphault and kenvandine, depends on what they can get into Gwibber | 20:48 |
| alteroo | Ah ok Why not just use FOAF? | 20:49 |
| alteroo | rickspencer3: or are you supporting FOAF as well? Could be a Kubuntu WebID | 20:56 |
| rickspencer3 | what is FOAF? | 20:57 |
| alteroo | Friend of a Friend. RDF resource. Standaradised carries personal and social information | 20:58 |
| nixternal | Riddell: per docs, the Todo list should be current...it is on my part...I am planning on sending out an email to the people who are helping for a status report....if they haven't done anything, at this point I am going to rip the doc from them...as my initial goal was to have them all complete, at least a draft, by the end of this month | 21:19 |
| dhillon-v10 | nixternal, sorry I forgot to push 1 doc working on it right now :) | 21:21 |
| nixternal | that's cool, thanks | 21:22 |
| nixternal | all it seems is we need feedback asap from blizzz and gastly.. | 21:23 |
| Lure | nixternal: thanks for taking care of koffice 2.x - I just briefly looked into it while doing exiv2 transition | 21:25 |
| nixternal | no prob | 21:25 |
| Lure | Riddell: is multiverse right place for such packages: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/package/autopano-sift-c.php | 21:29 |
| Lure | Riddell: note about warning | 21:29 |
| Riddell | Lure: we don't classify by patents, else everything would be in multiverse | 21:30 |
| Lure | Riddell: oh, so you think archive-admins would accept such package in universe? | 21:31 |
| Riddell | Lure: this one would | 21:31 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok, hugin would work better with it | 21:32 |
| alteroo | rickspencer3: with a security key you can use it as portable identity login with attached information | 21:40 |
| jjesse | nixternal: i got an email sitting in my queue for a doc file | 21:40 |
| rickspencer3 | alteroo, interesting | 21:40 |
| rickspencer3 | you should mention it to kenvandine and segphault | 21:40 |
| alteroo | I may. not sure if they have the motivation to look at that | 21:41 |
| rickspencer3 | alteroo, if it's not KDE specific, I don't know why they wouldn't at least want to know about it | 21:42 |
| jjesse | nixternal: its video.xml don't know if you have reviewed it or not | 21:42 |
| alteroo | rickspencer3: It's w3c | 21:42 |
| alteroo | rickspencer3: http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/ though I know you don't care :) | 21:45 |
| rickspencer3 | alteroo, I care, I'm a bit busy atm, though | 21:46 |
| alteroo | rickspencer3: cheers I'll get in touch with segphault | 21:47 |
| === alteroo is now known as daskreech | ||
| rickspencer3 | Riddell, may I assume the KDM worked fine? | 21:51 |
| Riddell | rickspencer3: yes it does seem to be ok | 21:54 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell, good | 21:54 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks | 21:54 |
| ryanakca | Hmmm, has the Alt-F2 shortcut changed in between Beta2 and RC ? | 21:56 |
| Riddell | no | 21:58 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Hmmmm... although it's marked as enabled in systemsettings, it doesn't work. Disabling/reenabling the shortcut doesn't fix it either. Can you reproduce or shall I report the bug upstream? | 22:00 |
| nixternal | Namespace Document 1 January 2010 - 3D Edition <- do I need 3D glasses in order to view this spec? :p | 22:15 |
| genii | Just some oddities after latest dist-upgrade (KDE 4.3.90) , Firefox one here http://i47.tinypic.com/hs8fh3.png and apparently no battery on my laptop here http://i45.tinypic.com/21j9hdj.png If I unplug and replug it sees it OK | 23:12 |
| jtechidna | I have the same behavior irt the battery | 23:12 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| nixternal | ok, I just brainfarted...how do you stop konqi from asking to save passwords? | 23:20 |
| Riddell | click Don't Ask? | 23:26 |
| nixternal | haha, but that only works for that website | 23:30 |
| nixternal | whoa, webkit+konqi == 100/100 on acid test..nice | 23:38 |
| Riddell | nixternal: how's the integration doing with webkit and konqi? | 23:42 |
| nixternal | not to bad actually...testing it now | 23:44 |
| nixternal | gmail works like a champ | 23:44 |
| nixternal | lp renders correctly with it, whereas it is a total mess with khtml | 23:45 |
| nixternal | twitter works :p | 23:46 |
| nixternal | ooh, even ajaxy websites are working well | 23:47 |
| nixternal | doesn't do well with identi.ca it seems | 23:55 |
| nixternal | sometimes it renders the theme, sometimes it doesn't | 23:55 |
| * nixternal goes and eats | 23:55 | |
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