[00:01] <amichair> yep, that line is purposely before the next, which does the translation
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> I didnt'
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> oops
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> I didn't paste the full paste, but translate_widget(child) seems to be calling itself a few times
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> maybe that's related?
[00:04] <amichair> it's a recursive function, to translate all children, but no element should be translated more than once
[00:21] <nixternal> woo, just did another bzr merge-package successfully
[00:24] <tseliot> Riddell, nixternal: kdebase-workspace built too :-)
[00:25] <nixternal> so did glew :)
[00:26] <Riddell> yay
[00:27] <tseliot> I think I can go to bed now
[00:27] <tseliot> 01:27 AM here
[00:27] <tseliot> good night everyone
[00:28] <Riddell> going to bed before 2 in the morning? lightweight
[00:28] <genii> Heh
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: I'm helping out with the koffice bug cleanup, hope you don't mind
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> hmm, 3 is about all I can do without a working koffice :(
[00:51] <crimsun> nixternal: bah
[00:52] <crimsun> I just spent four hours fixing bug #505712, and now I get to rebase
[00:52] <crimsun> thanks! :-)
[00:53] <crimsun> ah well, pull-lp-source it is
[00:53] <crimsun> also, I may as well roll in the rest of the changes I have for 1.5.2
[01:42]  * claydoh wonders what our release notes for Alpha2 should be; Yay mesa is fixed!  :)
[01:44]  * ScottK awaits the results of claydoh's genius.
[01:44] <claydoh> will 4.4 final be in alpha2
[01:45] <ScottK> rc1
[01:45] <claydoh> ScottK genius? hah
[01:48] <ScottK> Arghhhhh!
[01:48] <ScottK> Riddell or JontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.3.90-0ubuntu2/+build/1440998/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.kde4libs_4:4.3.90-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:49] <ScottK> We'll need another kde4libs upload before we can properly get started.
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I can get a testbuild running without that file in the .install file
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I think you forgot to bzr add the knewstuff patch
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> ugh, where'd my lucid pbuilder go
[02:20] <nixternal> crimsun: ooh, sorry about that, but yeah, my next step was to eventually update it with 1.5.2, but it is all yours now :)
[02:22] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I got a test build started, but go ahead.  With your supercomputer laptop, you'll probably still finish first.
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> heh, it's not that fast. Just really a lot faster than my old piece of crap computer was
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> it was like upgrading from Big Wheels to a 3-speed normal bike
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> still ain't a 10-speed, but you fly in comparison
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> ...plus the internet is being slow so my lucid pbuilder is still downloading
[02:50] <ScottK> OK.  It's a race.
[03:35] <nixternal> Riddell or ScottK: bug 506246 - if either of you can do the sync that would be great...fixes a bug...then I will MIR
[03:36] <ScottK> nixternal: I can't sync any differently than you can (needs shell access).  I'll ask.
[03:36] <nixternal> oh, thought you had that
[03:37] <ScottK> Only when I cheat
[03:37] <nixternal> I will do the MIR tomorrow anyways, as I will probably be heading to bed shortly
[03:37] <nixternal> like I cheat :)
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: 89%
[03:37] <nixternal> so leaving it for JR is fine, unless someone gets to it
[03:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You'll finish first.
[03:37] <ScottK> nixternal: slangasek is doing it now.
[03:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm at 65%
[03:38] <nixternal> I can build small packages...big packages killed my build machine, and this laptop comes to flames almost when I try and build anything substantial on it
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> Progress indicators is CMake's killer feature, aside from not sucking as hard as autotools
[03:38] <ScottK> Not having kdelibs ship an embedded copy of libtool is nice too.
[03:39] <ScottK> copy/fork
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> eww
[03:39] <ScottK> This is why I'm reasonably certain the kdelibs build failure on armel won't get fixed.  It's a sefault in the embedded libtool.
[03:39] <ScottK> nixternal: Done
[03:40]  * txwikinger hands a fire extinguisher to nixternal
[03:45] <nixternal> ScottK: thanks!
[03:50] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Didn't you do the last quassel upload?
[03:51] <ScottK>  the double build one
[03:51] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yeah
[03:51]  * JontheEchidna got your lart :P
[03:51] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: bzr branch needs updating
[03:51] <ScottK> OK
[03:51] <JontheEchidna> oh, I forgot to push
[03:53] <JontheEchidna> all taken care of now
[03:53] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> lzma still takes forever on this laptop, though at least it remains functional while it lmza's
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: kde4libs finished, build was successful and list-missing was happy
[03:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  And you just removed the one file?
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> yes
[03:54] <ScottK> OK.  Here goes.
[03:55] <ScottK> Gone.
[04:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: IIRC, you're our kdeartwork FTBFS expert...  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeartwork/4:4.3.90-0ubuntu1/+build/1436106/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdeartwork_4:4.3.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> ugh, with that package the buildd conditions are somehow different than a main-only pbuilder
[04:44] <JontheEchidna> !find /usr/share/kde4/services/ScreenSavers/boing.desktop
[04:44] <JontheEchidna> !find /usr/share/kde4/services/ScreenSavers/boing.desktop lucid
[04:44] <JontheEchidna> gah!
[04:44] <JontheEchidna> see, it was even in the last upload
[04:45] <JontheEchidna> that package changes its mind at whim
[04:52] <ScottK> Right, I knew you'd know how to solve it.
[04:59] <JontheEchidna> How, yes. Why it works, no
[05:06] <ScottK> Good enough
[05:07] <JontheEchidna> this package seriously shouldn't have built for the past two releases
[05:17] <JontheEchidna> ok, this *should* fix it
[05:20] <JontheEchidna> I think we might be missing a few screensavers in the kscreensavers-xsavers-extra package, but I know good an well touching those at this point is a really bad idea
[05:23] <ScottK> Not critical for Alpha 2, so don't mess with it.
[05:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Libs built on i386.  Thanks for your help.  I think your artwork upload is the last source upload we need to be able to build ISOs again (a bunch of retries yet).
[05:38] <JontheEchidna> just failed on amd64 after 20sec
[05:38] <JontheEchidna> (artwork)
[05:38] <JontheEchidna> needs workspace published
[05:38] <ScottK> That'll be a while.
[05:39] <ScottK> I think armel is the only arch it'll build on right now...
[05:39] <ScottK> It can wait until tomorrow.
[05:40] <ScottK> Oh, I see you uploaded.
[05:40] <ScottK> Then we'll see what we get from armel.
[05:49] <JontheEchidna> nighty-night
[05:54] <ScottK> Good night.
[05:54]  * ScottK is off to bed too.
[11:27] <ScottK> Any ideas where to get 30MB off the live CDs?
[11:33] <davmor2> ScottK: use a plane and spindle arm attached to a drill.  Put the cd on the arm switch on the drill gently position the plane on the extremities until you have shaved off the desired 30 meg :)
[11:34] <ScottK> Of course
[11:36] <davmor2> ScottK: any other duplicated libs that can be dropped?
[11:37] <hunger> Riddell: Thanks for getting rid of the libsensors3 dependency:-)
[11:37] <Riddell> hunger: anything you desire sir
[11:38]  * jussi01 waits for hunger to exploit that sentence... :P
[11:38] <ScottK> davmor2: We'll get rid of some when the OOo build finishes, but not nearly enough
[11:38] <jussi01> btw, does anyone know are there any applications in the archive capable of opening .stp files?
[11:39]  * hunger wonders why there is a ld.so.conf in /usr/lib/mesa.
[11:39] <al> where do i see what gets on the live CDs?
[11:42] <al> i noticed i have 40 MB worth of /usr/share/doc/*/copyright files, but of course they're smaller when compressed in a .deb
[11:45] <ScottK> al: You mean like http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.manifest
[11:45] <al> ScottK: yep, thanks
[11:46] <Riddell> we have a legal obligation to carry those
[11:47] <al> yea but maybe there's other stuff in doc/ like examples/ that could go
[11:48] <davmor2> al: examples isn't that big and is useful for testing though
[11:49] <al> 4 MB on my installation
[11:49] <al> with packages from that manifest
[11:49] <al> /usr/share/doc$ while read PKG REST; do [ -d $PKG/examples ] && echo $PKG/examples; done < /tmp/lucid-desktop-i386.manifest | xargs du -hsc | tail -n 1
[11:49] <al> 4.2M    total
[12:10] <hunger> Will lucid enable nepomuk by default? virtuoso seems to be in the repos now, but does not seem to get installed by kubuntu-desktop yet.
[12:11] <Riddell> hunger: it's waiting on a main inclusion review, must poke pitti about that
[12:11] <hunger> great!
[12:13] <Riddell> dpm: do you know a way to convert from translations in .desktop files to a translated .po file?
[12:25] <dpm> Riddell, intltool does that
[12:26] <dpm> i.e. extract translations from the.desktop file and create a .pot file
[12:27] <Riddell> dpm: ah but that's not what I asked
[12:27] <Riddell> I want to make a .po file with translations
[12:27] <Riddell> not a template
[12:27] <dpm> Riddell, oh, I see, sorry, now I see what you mean.
[12:28] <Riddell> it's not normally done in that direction so I don't know if it's possible with intltool or other scripts
[12:32] <dpm> Riddell, I've asked danilo to come here when he's ready with his call. He's the co-maintainer of intltool and might be able to better help.
[12:53] <Riddell> freinhard: did anyone look at your opensync packages?
[12:55] <Riddell> freinhard: strigi is compiled in the PPA if you want to test it
[12:57] <freinhard> Riddell: thx for strigi, already tested, one segfault gone, found the next one ;)
[12:57] <freinhard> Riddell: got no feedback on the opensync packages yet
[12:57] <Riddell> hmm, I think we maybe shouldn't have strigi on by default
[12:58] <Riddell> freinhard: what needs testing with opensync?  do I need fancy devices?
[12:58] <Riddell> freinhard: presumably this shouldn't go in the main archive
[12:58] <freinhard> Riddell: it's just about the packaging it's self. opensync 0.39 isn't considered to be stable by it's developers. i just packaged it since i couldn't sync my cell phone with opensync 0.22
[12:59] <freinhard> (and maybe this get's more testers and a earlier release of 0.40 ;) )
[12:59] <Riddell> new stable opensync has been a long time in coming
[13:01] <Riddell> freinhard: you'll report that new strigi issue upstream?
[13:05] <danilos> hi
[13:05] <danilos> Riddell, dpm tells me you are interested in extracting translations from .desktop files with intltool
[13:05] <dpm> Riddell, could you ask your question again? I'm sure danilos will be able to help
[13:06] <freinhard> Riddell: already reported
[13:08] <Riddell> 12:13 < Riddell> dpm: do you know a way to convert from translations in .desktop files to a translated .po file?
[13:08] <Riddell> danilos: currently we download desktop .po files from upstream but that isn't entirely reliable or complete
[13:09] <danilos> Riddell, so, intltool doesn't support extracting translations from .desktop files
[13:09] <Riddell> we generate the .pot files from .desktop files in the packages, but not the .po files
[13:09] <danilos> Riddell, i.e. so this is not where intltool can help
[13:10] <Riddell> danilos: do you know anything that can do it?
[13:10] <danilos> Riddell, it shouldn't be too hard to write a script that would support this though
[13:10] <danilos> Riddell, it might be worth checking if there isn't already something in translate-toolkit
[13:10] <danilos> or po4a
[13:11] <Riddell> danilos: ok I'll look at those
[13:12] <Riddell> danilos: also what is the status, if anything, of the upstream langpacks to ubuntu langpacks comparison QA tool?
[13:12] <danilos> Riddell, that's my main priority for this week so we can have the results by the end of it
[13:12] <danilos> Riddell, sorry it didn't get done sooner, my health didn't really allow it for the last few weeks
[13:15] <Riddell> danilos: oh great, so long as it hasn't been forgotten
[13:15] <danilos> Riddell, also, it might be quicker if you just wrote a quick script for extracting translations yourself
[13:15] <danilos> Riddell, oh, not at all
[13:16] <Riddell> I might be able to adept KDE's createdesktopcontext.pl script
[13:19] <dpm> danilos, if you are working on the langpacks comparison, the uploaded tarballs are now here: http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/kde-l10n/
[13:19] <danilos> dpm, yeah, found them :)
[13:20] <danilos> dpm, btw, where did you get them? (I know there are links somewhere in package build pages, but I can never find those pages when I need them :)
[13:20] <danilos> dpm, (just to check if there hasn't been any later upload since Dec 24th)
[13:22] <dpm> danilos, I first built them myself, but I realised that for some packages the translations were fetched directly from kde's 'stable' svn and would not be the same ones as the uploaded ones. I then used a LP API script from pitti to get the LP librarian upload URL, and finally I just fetched them. Let me point you to the script...
[13:23] <danilos> dpm, ah, cool, thanks
[13:24] <dpm> danilos, here's the script -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~arnegoetje/+junk/translation-tarballs
[13:24] <danilos> dpm, I think the easiest ones to compare will be sr@latin and uz@cyrillic because those can't get any changes in LP
[13:25] <danilos> dpm, ta
[13:26] <dpm> dpm, ah, yeah, and ca@valencia as well (there's another KDE @locale, can't remember it just now)
[13:28] <debfx> Riddell: asac basically said that the kde integration patch has to be broken down into seperate patches that fix specific integration bugs
[13:29] <debfx> otherwise mozilla probably won't approve the firefox package
[13:29] <dpm> danilos, the Lucid uploads for the 4.3.85 snapshot did not seem to contain any of the @locales, so you might want to start with the karmic uploads
[13:29] <debfx> not sure why suse got it approved though
[13:29] <danilos> dpm, right
[13:30] <danilos> dpm, are they maybe inside other generic language codes?
[13:30] <dpm> danilos, no, I noticed that the 4.3.85 tag there were a few languages missing, let me check again...
[13:30] <Riddell> debfx: might be worth having him ask mozilla directory what the deal is
[13:32] <ScottK> dpm: We're at 4.3.90 now, so perhaps worth a recheck.
[13:32] <dpm> good point ScottK, thanks.
[13:33] <dpm> danilos, perhaps I can look at uploading new tarballs for the 4.3.90 uploads tomorrow
[13:33] <dpm> http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.3.90/kde-l10n/ looks better in terms of languages than http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.3.85/kde-l10n/
[13:35] <danilos> dpm, right, at the moment, I just care to confirm that we've got a superset of translations in ubuntu compared to last package upload, and I want to make it a tool that makes it easy to compare in the future as well
[13:35] <danilos> dpm, so, @ languages are good because there shouldn't be any changes in them
[13:36] <danilos> dpm, but, I can test those for karmic for now
[13:37] <dpm> danilos, yeah, I think for now karmic might be the best bet, since upstream translations are stable and if the tool is generic, I guess it can then be used for Lucid comparison without much change
[13:37] <danilos> ScottK, Riddell, dpm: changelog on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-l10n-sr/4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic2 confuses me a bit though: wasn't change from i18n to l10n done in 4.0?
[13:37] <danilos> dpm, right, that's my point
[13:38] <ScottK> danilos: Yes, but there are people that have the old packages still installed due to upgrades
[13:38] <Riddell> danilos: the last bits of kde-i18n (kdewebdev) got moved to kde-l10n recently
[13:38] <danilos> ScottK, ah, right, so it was about changing a "Replaces:" line or something like that
[13:38] <ScottK> Yes
[13:38] <Riddell> so we added the replaces and kde-i18n will die
[13:39] <danilos> ok, thanks, now it's clearer :)
[13:39] <dpm> danilos, also, you'll find more info and the links to the relevant kde translation branches at
[13:39] <dpm>   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE/KubuntuTranslationsLifecycle and
[13:39] <dpm>   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE
[13:41] <debfx> Riddell: he also said that we'd have to actively work on getting these patches into mozilla trunk
[13:53] <Riddell> rbelem: welcome along
[13:53] <rbelem> thanks Riddell :-)
[13:53] <Riddell> rbelem here is working on Ubuntu Liquid, which is a project using Plasma Mobile to make a variant for small form factor devices without accelaration
[13:57] <ScottK> Hello rbelem
[13:57] <rbelem> hi ScottK :-)
[14:00] <rbelem> here the wiki page about liquid https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/UbuntuLiquid
[14:00] <rbelem> any help would be greatly appreciated
[14:00] <rbelem> :-)
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> that's pretty neat
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: btw, in KDE 4.4 the regular device manager plasmoid has mounting capabilities built in so mountoid will probably not be needed
[14:07] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, cool!
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> screenie: http://imagebin.ca/view/m_zmPD.html
[14:08] <Riddell> we should decide if we want to turn that on or not
[14:09]  * Riddell wonders what "share this widget on a network" does
[14:10] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, probably there more things that must be updated in the wiki
[14:10] <Tm_T> Riddell: remote plasma, let's say another desktop in your home network can show that plasma
[14:11] <Tm_T> Riddell: so collect all network access logs to one desktop in plasma widgets (:
[14:12] <Riddell> Tm_T: over what protocol?
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> ^I seem to remember it being zeroconf or something, could be wrong
[14:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: I don't know what plasma does use for that
[14:14] <Riddell> + wlan0 IPv4 Device Notifier on wido                       _plasma._tcp         local
[14:15] <freinhard> it there a "not" for "find . -name filename.ext"? (result should be any file except filename.ext
[14:17] <Riddell> freinhard: probably needs regex
[14:19] <freinhard> Riddell: "man find" states that it matches "shell pattern" no idea if that can be done with a shell pattern
[14:19] <Riddell> don't think so
[14:20] <Riddell> you can also do  find . | grep -v filename.ext
[14:20] <freinhard> but usually that's hard to feed into rm because of whitespaces and other chars that need escaping
[14:21] <Riddell> find . -type f | grep -v filename.ext | xargs rm
[14:23] <freinhard> nice! thank you!
[14:24] <freinhard> should have read the xargs man page a long time ago ;)
[14:26] <Riddell> freinhard: your opensync package is lacking the python bindings that the current version has, is that deliberate?
[14:26] <freinhard> Riddell: there are no python bindings for opensync 0.39
[14:27] <Riddell> fair enough
[14:27]  * ScottK suggests perhaps an opensync-ng package
[14:27] <Riddell> upstream's website seems pretty insistent that it's not for general use
[14:28] <Mamarok> seems we need the ipodslave package for iPhone support in Karmic, any idea where I can find it?
[14:29] <Tm_T> Mamarok: Amarok in question?
[14:29] <ScottK> Riddell: Which is why I think a separate package with lots of scary warnings is the most we should provide.
[14:30] <Riddell> Mamarok: I have vauge recollections of that from years ago, didn't it die?
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: ipodslave is an old kde3 utility that no longer works in kde4
[14:30] <freinhard> i guess almost everything could be installed in parallel, because 0.22 ships libopensync0 and 0.39 libopensync1
[14:30] <freinhard> the only thing that might overlap is the /usr/lib/libopensync.so symlink
[14:30] <Riddell> freinhard: COPYING in libopensync-plugin-file is GPL 2 but source files say LGPL 2 (that's not critical, you can upgrade LGPL to GPL but would be good to get upstream to sort that out)
[14:31] <Mamarok> Riddell: well, apparently it is needed for iPod Touch and the iPhone in Kubuntu, only distro where those two devices are not mountable
[14:31] <Mamarok> seems the others have it
[14:31] <Mamarok> if I understood the various forum threads correctly
[14:32] <freinhard> well my packages weren't intended for mainstream use, just for those having problems with 0.22 or willing to test 0.39
[14:32] <Mamarok> I can only find old stuff from Gutsy so far
[14:33] <ScottK> freinhard: I don't think they need to be co-installable.  I'd imagine people would only need one or the other.
[14:34] <Riddell> freinhard: libopensync-plugin-xmlformat misses a copy of the LGPL
[14:37] <freinhard> ScottK: as far as i've read on the wiki the complete libopensync api is new. so if there are any programms linking to that oldlib, that might be an issue.
[14:37] <ScottK> So give your -dev package a different name so that doesn't happen by accident
[14:38] <Riddell> freinhard: packging looks good apart from those licencing issues, can you report those upstream?
[14:38] <freinhard> Riddell: i reported it on irc, if i don't get a response i'll file a bug or two.
[14:38] <Riddell> thanks
[14:56] <freinhard> just checked the todo. i vote for kaffeine :) got myself a dvb-s2 reciever. built the driver. plugged in, fired up kaffeine, works. no crash ever since then.
[14:57]  * jussi01 loves it that he gets congrats from the channel topic everyday  :D rock on :)
[15:00] <agateau> Anyone using lucid amd64 in karmic virtualbox?
[15:01] <agateau> I get as far as choosing whether I want to install or boot from cd, then I get stuck
[15:01] <freinhard> ScottK: the -dev package is called libopensync1-dev (vs libopensync0-dev) so there shouldn't be a problem.
[15:02] <Riddell> agateau: this is an install or from an ISO?
[15:02] <agateau> Riddell: from an iso
[15:02] <Riddell> agateau: daily ISOs won't work yet, it's all still building
[15:02] <agateau> Riddell: oh
[15:03] <agateau> Riddell: should I install from alpha1 then?
[15:03] <Riddell> agateau: that's the last known working ISO, or wait a few hours and maybe we'll have an alpha 2 candidate to test (or maybe not)
[15:03] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> agateau, Riddell: latest updates broke KStatusNotifierItems, they're all KSystemTrayIcons now :(
[15:20] <agateau> JontheEchidna: are you still running the same session as before update?
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> agateau: is restarting plasma-desktop enough?
[15:20] <agateau> JontheEchidna: no, you need to restart kded4
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> kk
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> all better after a reboot
[15:25] <agateau> good
[15:26] <Riddell> "The release of Kaffeine 1.0 is delayed for personal reasons (and I don't really want to release a half-baked version). The new target date is 1st August, stay tuned and thanks for your understanding." hmm, that's a long time away, guess we'll be using dragon
[15:28] <Lure> Riddell: or http://bangarangkde.wordpress.com/ and switch again next release?
[15:28]  * Lure hides ;-)
[15:30] <freinhard> none of them can use dvb-c|s|t sticks
[15:30] <Riddell> I thought that was a music player
[15:30] <freinhard> ..besides kaffeine
[15:30] <Lure> Riddell: it plays video clips too
[15:30] <Lure> Riddell: but not really in kaffeine level
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: re kcm-touchpad, it was rejected for a debian/copyright issue. Is this better? http://pastebin.com/f3469793c
[16:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that looks good (assuming it's an accurate reflection)
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> oh, there's a new upstream release now. I'll update the packge and upload it
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> heh, it was released in the past hour in fact
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kcm-touchpad is in new
[16:39] <genii> Yay, kdm works again!
[16:39] <alteroo> \o/
[16:55] <Riddell> genii: what happened?
[16:56] <Riddell> glatzor: JontheEchidna's wiki update reminds me that packagekit is due to be updated to 0.5, would that be something to look at once alpha 2 is out?
[16:57] <genii> Riddell: I'm on 10.04, was having to "sudo start kdm" until after todays updates
[16:58] <Riddell> that's promising
[16:59] <alteroo> is service the new blessed way of starting and stopping things
[17:00] <alteroo>  someone in #kubuntu was telling me that /etc/init.d was telling them that they shouldn't use that but sudo service
[17:00] <maco> or just use upstart commands
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> yeah. start <servicename> and stop <servicename> work now too
[17:01] <maco> sudo start kdm
[17:01] <maco> sudo stop kdm
[17:01] <alteroo> Oh
[17:01] <alteroo> hmm
[17:01] <alteroo> ok
[17:02] <alteroo> is that bashified  so I can say sudo start <tab><tab> and get a list of services?
[17:02] <alteroo>  I'm on a mac now so I can't check
[17:02] <alteroo> Work machine
[17:03] <ghostcube> btw rc1 works fine guys good work
[17:03] <ghostcube> :)
[17:03] <alteroo> Nepomuk?
[17:03] <ghostcube> havent checked
[17:03] <ghostcube> :)
[17:03] <ghostcube> i will test later i hope so
[17:08] <Riddell> agateau: should gwenview share its ratings and comments with dolphin?
[17:09] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[17:09] <agateau> nepomku ftw!
[17:13] <Riddell> agateau: hmm, they seem not to here
[17:13] <agateau> Riddell: gwenview may require a restart to see updated nepomuk info from Dolphin
[17:13] <agateau> (need to fix that)
[17:14] <agateau> Dolphin should see the changes from Gwenview as soon as they are done
[17:17] <alteroo> Riddell: it does
[17:18] <Riddell> alteroo: what does?
[17:19] <alteroo> Dolphin and gwenview sharing. I haven't tried gwenview and dolphin open at the same time but certainly one then the other in any order shows up
[17:20] <Riddell> alteroo: karmic or lucid?
[17:20] <alteroo> karmic right now
[17:20] <Riddell> me too, curious
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> ratings sharing works here too in lucid
[17:21] <agateau> Riddell: which nepomuk backend?
[17:22] <Riddell> agateau: virtuoso
[17:22] <agateau> mmm should work fine according to sebastien trueg
[17:23] <agateau> I have yet to test it though
[17:23] <agateau> (hopefully tonight)
[17:23] <Riddell> is there a way to see what's in the nepomuk database?  I expect I'd need to write sparql or something scary
[17:23] <agateau> Riddell: you can start with nepomuksearch:/ in Gwenview or Nepomuk
[17:24] <agateau> getting deeper will probably need sparql indeed
[17:55] <verbalshadow> anyone having issues getting strigi to working, i have virtuoso ( and driver) installed. enabled then in systemsettings and it flutters between indexing, no service in desktop file, idle , and finally stops on service not running. i deleted my ~/.kde/share/config/nepomukserverrc &  ~/.kde/share/config/nepomukstrigirc files and after that deleted ~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/ in hopes that would fix it
[17:55] <verbalshadow> what i'm i missing
[18:01] <Riddell> verbalshadow: it doesn't seem to be in a great mood for most people, usually is keep indexing even when you don't want it to
[18:02] <verbalshadow> :(
[18:03] <nixternal> hrmm, looks like in lucid we have the ubuntu splash thing
[18:03] <Riddell> alpha 2 candidates for testing  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20100112.3/
[18:03] <nixternal> oh wow, I am having some craziness with lucid...going into kdm I get either the "out of range" message on my  monitor, or my monitor goes all war games like
[18:04] <nixternal> and that ubuntu splash is messed up
[18:06]  * JontheEchidna begins iso download
[18:07] <nixternal> does the iso have updated kde4 JontheEchidna ?
[18:08] <nixternal> if so, I will probably just go that route instead of trying to fix this one
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> .manifest says yes
[18:08] <alteroo> verbalshadow: Do you have the strigi process running?
[18:08] <nixternal> hrmm, why am I getting xx_XX.UTF-8... done messages on update?
[18:09] <Riddell> nixternal: presumably some locale installed
[18:09] <nixternal> never saw that before...just noticed it on my netbook
[18:11] <verbalshadow> alteroo no i don't
[18:12] <alteroo> verbalshadow: you have nepomuk server
[18:12] <nixternal> anyone done an upgrade on lucid yet?
[18:12] <Riddell> not recently
[18:12] <nixternal> hrmm, I wonder if plymouth is messing me up here on my desktop
[18:12] <verbalshadow> alteroo yes and stub
[18:13] <nixternal> I can't get to KDM, my machine just freezes
[18:13] <nixternal> then again, I wonder if that might be due to some sort of hardware failure, as it is my build box and it does seem to be dying
[18:13] <alteroo> verbalshadow: do you have ratings working in Dolphin?
[18:14] <verbalshadow> alteroo no errors when i star
[18:14] <nixternal> yowsers, I am getting all of the language-pack-kde packages
[18:14] <alteroo> verbalshadow: what does that mean?
[18:14] <Riddell> agateau: what's the magic command for using zsync on ISOs?
[18:15] <agateau> Riddell: zsync http://<url/to/iso.zsync>
[18:15] <agateau> have to go
[18:16] <verbalshadow> alteroo it means that i gave a file a rating without error and i checked the rating remains after closing are restarting dolphin
[18:17] <verbalshadow> bbs
[18:17] <alteroo> ah right :) can you see that rating in something else?
[18:37] <verbalshadow> alteroo yes gwenview can see it
[18:39] <alteroo> verbalshadow: ok cool So that works fine
[18:43] <verbalshadow> alteroo i'm at a complete loss :(
[18:44] <alteroo> verbalshadow: strigi and tags are a little broken now
[18:44] <alteroo>  Which virtuoso are you using?
[18:45] <verbalshadow> alteroo the one in lucid's repos
[18:45] <alteroo> Riddell: which one is that? 5.0.12 or 6.0.1 rc ?
[18:49] <verbalshadow> alteroo 5.0.12 is what it shows me
[18:51] <Riddell> only 5.0.12 has any chance of working
[18:56] <alteroo> 6.0.1 rc was tried and it's broken/
[18:56] <alteroo> ?
[19:09] <Riddell> it didn't work
[19:09] <alteroo> bleah.  Errors?
[19:11] <Riddell> dunno
[19:11] <Riddell> there's packages in a PPA
[19:12] <alteroo> yeah ok
[19:12] <alteroo> I'll try it later
[19:17] <nixternal> Riddell: what is needed for a plymouth splash for Kubuntu?
[19:18] <Riddell> nixternal: I don't know, we need to talk to keybuk about it
[19:18] <nixternal> roger that
[19:18] <nixternal> who is buying lunch? I am quite hungry right now
[19:19] <Riddell> sorry, I finished my hoummous
[19:19] <davmor2> nixternal: the first person to say who is buying lunch?
[19:19] <nixternal> nice try, but I am broke :(
[19:20] <nixternal> finished current daily install, worked like a champ
[19:21] <nixternal> why do we have kglobal notices like mad?
[19:21] <nixternal> by default
[19:21] <Riddell> who knows, not our doing
[19:21] <Riddell> nixternal: please fill in iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[19:21] <nixternal> Riddell: doing so now :)
[19:22] <Riddell> nixternal: was that amd64 or i386?
[19:22] <nixternal> amd64
[19:23] <nixternal> doing netbook install now too
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> i386 iso almost done burning
[19:24] <Riddell> cos we don't seem to have i386 alternate ISOs
[19:24] <Riddell> I don't know why not
[19:26] <Riddell> debian-installer has kernel ABI 2.6.32-10-generic, but no corresponding udebs are on the CD!
[19:26] <Riddell> hmm, the old no corresponding debs malarky
[19:28] <Riddell> kubuntu-netbook for the testing too
[19:32] <nixternal> heh, I am user/9 on qa.ubuntu.com..that is interesting
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> aside from autologin not working and the leaning tower of knotify, at least the livecd boots
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> the plasma-desktop-appletsrc in kubuntu-default-settings is causing problems, and we probably could have removed the need for it if mesa failure hadn't bogged everything down
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if autologin not working is bug 495100....
[19:44] <alteroo> JontheEchidna: How do you get in without autologin ?
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> alteroo: nick/pass is ubuntu/<blank>
[19:45] <alteroo> Oh hmm ok
[19:45] <nixternal> who wants to remove sun-java* from kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[19:45] <alteroo> when did that kick in ?
[19:45] <nixternal> we need to yank it quick
[19:45] <alteroo> why?
[19:45] <nixternal> it is going to eventually go bye bye
[19:46] <nixternal> plus I want everything in kubuntu-restricted-extras but sun-java
[19:46] <nixternal> openjdk and icedtea work just as well nowadays
[19:46] <nixternal> I noticed with the latest isos there is no compositing by default
[19:47] <nixternal> in this case, with the mesa 2 stuff, I understand "dude it builds! ship it!" :)
[19:47] <nixternal> mesa stuff, dunno why I saw mesa 2, I was thinking alpha 2 and mesa at the same time
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> compositing works fine if you manually enable it. I think somehow it's not turned on by default anymore
[19:49] <nixternal> yeah
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> probably a matter of editing the default kwinrc
[19:52] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: did you get just a blue desktop w/o a wallpaper after installing?
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: yeah, that's the plasma-desktop-appletsrc that we're using to avoid a crash on startup
[19:53] <nixternal> groovy, just making sure it wasn't just me
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> if mesa hadn't failed I would have backported a patch so that we wouldn't need the plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> at least we'll have an alpha2 though :)
[19:55] <Riddell> X still doesn't work on my thinkpad :(
[20:00] <nixternal> Riddell: after new install?
[20:01] <Riddell> on a live CD
[20:01] <nixternal> hrmm
[20:12]  * JontheEchidna reboots to try his barebones plymouth theme
[20:14] <alteroo> hi Riddell
[20:14] <alteroo> bah
[20:14] <alteroo> hi rickspencer3
[20:14] <rickspencer3> alteroo, hey
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> it has a blue progress bar \o/
[20:15] <alteroo> how are you doing?
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> still has the ubuntu logo, but that's to be expected
[20:15] <rickspencer3> okeedokee
[20:17] <alteroo> rickspencer3: How are things going on Desktop Experience?
[20:17] <rickspencer3> alteroo, well, that's not actually my team, but I work with them a lot
[20:17] <rickspencer3> seems they are doing ok, though
[20:18]  * alteroo nods. You are the most direct line I know to them :)
[20:22]  * nixternal kicks the crap out of kde network mangler
[20:22] <rickspencer3> alteroo, oops
[20:22] <nixternal> I can't believe it is still a huge piece of dung
[20:22] <rickspencer3> bit of a crash
[20:23] <nixternal> rickspencer3: time to switch to Kubuntu then :p
[20:23] <alteroo> ha ha
[20:23] <nixternal> hey, anytime I get to poke a little fun at him, I do it :)
[20:23] <rickspencer3> nixternal, interesting in light of your immediate previous comment
[20:23] <rickspencer3> any whoooo
[20:23] <rickspencer3> alteroo, you were asking about Dx?
[20:23] <rickspencer3> what's up?
[20:23] <nixternal> rickspencer3: good point
[20:24] <rickspencer3> :)
[20:24] <alteroo> rickspencer3: are there any metrics that are being used that can be followed ?
[20:25] <rickspencer3> they have a burn down chart and such, if that's what you mean
[20:25] <nixternal> I just realized, my only i386 box is my netbook...I need to throw together an i386 build box..and I have just the box...gonna head over and steal mums old puter, which is still a 3.0GHz P4
[20:26] <alteroo> Well doesn't every team have a burn down chart?
[20:30] <alteroo> Last I looked only Kernel was meeting expectations though
[20:41] <alteroo> nixternal: one issue I can see is that hearing software subscribes to a standard called NOAH to share data which seems to a) be Windows only and b) require a payment of a license to get the docs to work with it
[20:43] <alteroo> rickspencer3: ha KDE is almost SFTS now :)
[20:44] <rickspencer3> SFTS?
[20:45] <alteroo> Social From the start
[20:45] <rickspencer3> alteroo, yup
[20:46] <alteroo> rickspencer3: Who decides what social networks are viable for the about me page?
[20:48] <rickspencer3> alteroo, I suppose segphault and kenvandine, depends on what they can get into Gwibber
[20:49] <alteroo> Ah ok Why not just use FOAF?
[20:56] <alteroo> rickspencer3:  or are you supporting FOAF as well? Could be a Kubuntu WebID
[20:57] <rickspencer3> what is FOAF?
[20:58] <alteroo> Friend of a Friend. RDF resource. Standaradised carries personal and social information
[21:19] <nixternal> Riddell: per docs, the Todo list should be current...it is on my part...I am planning on sending out an email to the people who are helping for a status report....if they haven't done anything, at this point I am going to rip the doc from them...as my initial goal was to have them all complete, at least a draft, by the end of this month
[21:21] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, sorry I forgot to push 1 doc working on it right now :)
[21:22] <nixternal> that's cool, thanks
[21:23] <nixternal> all it seems is we need feedback asap from blizzz and gastly..
[21:25] <Lure> nixternal: thanks for taking care of koffice 2.x - I just briefly looked into it while doing exiv2 transition
[21:25] <nixternal> no prob
[21:29] <Lure> Riddell: is multiverse right place for such packages: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/package/autopano-sift-c.php
[21:29] <Lure> Riddell: note about warning
[21:30] <Riddell> Lure: we don't classify by patents, else everything would be in multiverse
[21:31] <Lure> Riddell: oh, so you think archive-admins would accept such package in universe?
[21:31] <Riddell> Lure: this one would
[21:32] <Lure> Riddell: ok, hugin would work better with it
[21:40] <alteroo> rickspencer3: with a security key you can use it as portable identity login with attached information
[21:40] <jjesse> nixternal: i got an email sitting in my queue for a doc file
[21:40] <rickspencer3> alteroo, interesting
[21:40] <rickspencer3> you should mention it to kenvandine and segphault
[21:41] <alteroo> I may. not sure if they have the motivation to look at that
[21:42] <rickspencer3> alteroo, if it's not KDE specific, I don't know why they wouldn't at least want to know about it
[21:42] <jjesse> nixternal:  its video.xml don't know if you have reviewed it or not
[21:42] <alteroo> rickspencer3: It's w3c
[21:45] <alteroo> rickspencer3: http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/ though I know you don't care :)
[21:46] <rickspencer3> alteroo, I care, I'm a bit busy atm, though
[21:47] <alteroo> rickspencer3: cheers I'll get in touch with segphault
[21:51] <rickspencer3> Riddell, may I assume the KDM worked fine?
[21:54] <Riddell> rickspencer3: yes it does seem to be ok
[21:54] <rickspencer3> Riddell, good
[21:54] <rickspencer3> thanks
[21:56] <ryanakca> Hmmm, has the Alt-F2 shortcut changed in between Beta2 and RC ?
[21:58] <Riddell> no
[22:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hmmmm... although it's marked as enabled in systemsettings, it doesn't work. Disabling/reenabling the shortcut doesn't fix it either. Can you reproduce or shall I report the bug upstream?
[22:15] <nixternal> Namespace Document 1 January 2010 - 3D Edition  <- do I need 3D glasses in order to view this spec? :p
[23:12] <genii> Just some oddities after latest dist-upgrade (KDE 4.3.90) , Firefox one here http://i47.tinypic.com/hs8fh3.png    and apparently no battery on my laptop here http://i45.tinypic.com/21j9hdj.png If I unplug and replug it sees it OK
[23:12] <jtechidna> I have the same behavior irt the battery
[23:20] <nixternal> ok, I just brainfarted...how do you stop konqi from asking to save passwords?
[23:26] <Riddell> click Don't Ask?
[23:30] <nixternal> haha, but that only works for that website
[23:38] <nixternal> whoa, webkit+konqi == 100/100 on acid test..nice
[23:42] <Riddell> nixternal: how's the integration doing with webkit and konqi?
[23:44] <nixternal> not to bad actually...testing it now
[23:44] <nixternal> gmail works like a champ
[23:45] <nixternal> lp renders correctly with it, whereas it is a total mess with khtml
[23:46] <nixternal> twitter works :p
[23:47] <nixternal> ooh, even ajaxy websites are working well
[23:55] <nixternal> doesn't do well with identi.ca it seems
[23:55] <nixternal> sometimes it renders the theme, sometimes it doesn't
[23:55]  * nixternal goes and eats