[00:01] <PEPPINO> paulsomebody: i downloaded it but i dont know how t ouse
[00:01] <paulsomebody> PEPPINO: Downloaded what source tarball or binary?
[00:02] <baxeico_> hi
[00:02] <paulsomebody> PEPPINO: If it's *.tar.gz then it is source package.
[00:02] <paulsomebody> !hi | baxeico_
[00:02] <PEPPINO> paulsomebody: source
[00:02] <PEPPINO> sakoman_: im workind in the directory
[00:02] <baxeico_> I upgraded yesterday to KDE 4.3.4 from backports
[00:03] <baxeico_> plasma and kwin seems way slower than before (4.3.2)
[00:03] <PEPPINO> aperson: 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file modules/misc/notify/notify.c
[00:03] <baxeico_> i'm using nvidia binary driver
[00:03] <PEPPINO> aperson: this is the error I have using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc
[00:03] <baxeico_> e.g. if I toggle the plasma dashboard it take about 5 seconds to show up
[00:04] <paulsomebody> PEPPINO: If you are new to GNU/Linux it is probably not the best idea to compile packages youself. Are you sure this is necessary?
[00:04] <baxeico_> and i see Xorg using 90% cpu in between
[00:04] <baxeico_> somebody else noticed some problem after upgrade to 4.3.4?
[00:05] <PEPPINO> paulsomebody: I have already compiled it and it work fine..... the only think i m not able to do  is to generate a .deb file
[00:05] <paulsomebody> PEPPINO: I have never debianized packages myself.
[00:06] <aperson> I've only done it with checkistall
[00:06] <aperson> which works pretty well for me
[00:06] <PEPPINO> paulsomebody: I saw in the INSTALL FILE THAT IT SHOULD BE POSSIBILE and so i tried
[00:06] <PEPPINO> aperson: whichh is the command string
[00:06] <paulsomebody> PEPPINO: Of course that is possible. No need to shout.
[00:07] <paulsomebody> PEPPINO: If you still have source you can do 'make uninstall' in the source directory. Works the same way as 'make install'.
[00:07] <paulsomebody> PEPPINO: At least I think so.
[00:08] <baxeico_> is it possible to safely downgrade to 4.3.2 again from 4.3.4 backports?
[00:08] <PEPPINO> paulsomebody: yes you are right but i prefer to remove the source directory...it is too big
[00:09] <PEPPINO> aperson: are you still there
[00:09] <paulsomebody> PEPPINO: If you want to remove it cleanly you could download it again if it is not too much traffic.
[00:09] <aperson> PEPPINO, yessir
[00:09] <paulsomebody> aperson: Sir?
[00:10] <PEPPINO> aperson: how can i use checkinstall
[00:10] <PEPPINO> aperson: thanks for the sir
[00:10] <aperson> PEPPINO, ./configure; make; checkinstall
[00:10] <aperson> PEPPINO, just use it in place of make install
[00:11] <baxeico_> anyone upgraded to 4.3.4 backports from 4.3.2 using nvidia binary driver?
[00:11] <PEPPINO> aperson: which should be the result?
[00:12] <aperson> PEPPINO, well, it'd build the package and install it
[00:12] <PEPPINO> aperson: a .deb package?
[00:12] <aperson> PEPPINO, yep.
[00:12] <PEPPINO> aperson: ohhhhhhhhhhh
[00:12] <aperson> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall
[00:13] <PEPPINO> aperson: i dont beleave it
[00:13] <baxeico_> ok guys, I'll go to sleep. I'll try again tomorrow to poke you here
[00:13] <genii> belief is not neccessary for something to exist
[00:15] <PEPPINO> paulsomebody: thanks for your time
[00:15] <PEPPINO> aperson: im trying
[00:15] <paulsomebody> baxeico_: You could also post on the forums.
[00:16] <paulsomebody> baxeico_: ubuntuforums.org
[00:18] <baxeico_> thanks
[00:18] <baxeico_> goodnight
[00:22] <timber> sziasztok
[00:23] <timber> Beszél valaki itt magyarul?
[00:23] <soulsurfer> hey did anyone just recently start having problems with flash and sound?
[00:24] <genii> define "recently"
[00:24] <soulsurfer> like in the past few days
[00:24] <genii> !hu | timber
[00:24] <soulsurfer> i just started having a problem today
[00:24] <timber> speak hungarian?
[00:24] <aperson> soulsurfer, turn up your pcm volume
[00:24] <soulsurfer> that's not it
[00:24] <genii> timber: Try #ubuntu-hu as the bot says
[00:25] <soulsurfer> i start firefox with flash and it starts playing sound and then just stops
[00:25] <soulsurfer> the video keeps playing but sound disappears
[00:25] <soulsurfer> and vlc has choppy sound
[00:25] <soulsurfer> where it was smooth before
[00:25] <aperson> are you using the latest flash?
[00:25] <soulsurfer> yeah i believe so
[00:25] <aperson> I can't say I have any issues
[00:25] <soulsurfer> unctions, but it eems like a problem I had in the past, I'm willing to bet that if flash player and vlc and mplayer start producing sound, then Amarok and KDE
[00:25] <soulsurfer> oops
[00:26] <soulsurfer> 10.0.42.34
[00:26] <soulsurfer> is my vlc version
[00:26] <soulsurfer> i mean flash
[00:26] <FloodBotK3> soulsurfer: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:28] <soulsurfer> the amount of time before sound cuts off in flash changes as well
[00:28] <soulsurfer> does anyone here have a solid understanding of the kde sound system?
[00:29] <soulsurfer> I'm guessing it goes (app) -> sound server for some apps and then (app) -> phonon -> backend(xine) -> pulseaudio
[00:29] <soulsurfer> is that right?
[00:31] <PEPPINO> aperson:  it seem to be created... thanks for your time Sir
[00:31] <PEPPINO> aperson: goodnight
[00:32] <aperson> PEPPINO, no problem
[00:32] <soulsurfer> as a side note, skype sound works which has the audio set to pulseaudio
[00:32] <soulsurfer> so i guess that proves pulseaudio is working alright
[00:38] <soulsurfer> ok if anyone is interested, i found 2 things out
[00:38] <soulsurfer> one - the sound of flash is driven through "ALSA plug-in [firefox]"
[00:39] <soulsurfer> two, I was able to get it  to play smoothly by changing the Internal Audio Profile in the Volume Control of padevchooser
[00:42] <titan_ark>   whoa the power management says that i have no battery inserted!
[00:43] <titan_ark> any idea why this has happened?
[00:44] <soulsurfer> the driver that reads the battery information is down?
[00:45] <titan_ark> ah, i dunno how to verify that.
[00:45] <paulsomebody> !scan
[00:45] <titan_ark> it was working fine, i had just left the notebook and gone to make myself some lunch!
[00:46] <soulsurfer> hmm
[00:46] <soulsurfer> did you try just restarting?
[00:46] <titan_ark> i returned to see that the notebook was probably in sleep and when i logged in i had to plug in power, so i thought the battery got entirely discharged
[00:46] <titan_ark> no i have not
[00:47] <titan_ark> i should not have to restart everytime i leave the notebook for about an hour!
[00:48] <soulsurfer> no you shouldn't
[00:48] <soulsurfer> i guess going into sleep is causing that module to close
[00:49] <titan_ark> okay, how to i restart it?
[00:50] <soulsurfer> unfortunately, i dont know the module that manages battery monitoring
[00:50] <titan_ark> oh okay
[00:50] <titan_ark> np, thx
[00:51] <soulsurfer> sure
[02:25] <peter_> hi
[02:38] <happy_> hi peter_
[03:08] <michael____> Recently, my usb drives have stopped showing up when I attach them. Can anyone offer any suggestions on why that may be or how I can fix it?
[03:09] <michael____> If I plugin a device and reboot it shows up properly in Dolphin.
[03:22] <Empty_foo> michael____: does it work on other machines?
[03:25] <semistud2354> OK...SO...i start KStreamRipper and i put in a .pls and another with the ip address and port and all it says is BUFFERING...
[03:27] <semistud2354> ON occasion....i can get it to connect and rip....where do i start to look for a problem
[03:27] <michael____> Empty_foo: yes, and worked on this one as recently as last week
[03:28] <semistud2354> OK...SO...i start KStreamRipper and i put in a .pls and another with the ip address and port and all it says is BUFFERING...
[03:28] <semistud2354> ON occasion....i can get it to connect and rip....where do i start to look for a problem
[03:32] <semistud2354> OK...SO...i start KStreamRipper and i put in a .pls and another with the ip address and port and all it says is BUFFERING...
[03:32] <semistud2354> ON occasion....i can get it to connect and rip....where do i start to look for a problem
[03:32] <semistud2354> anyone have any ideas??
[03:33] <ilumi> semistud2354: run it from a console and see if you have any errors
[03:33] <semistud2354> what would the command be?
[03:34] <semistud2354> streamripper http://83.133.126.55:8904
[03:34] <semistud2354> ??
[03:34] <semistud2354> do you use streamripper
[03:34] <ilumi> i guess KStreamRipper
[03:35] <semistud2354> i did i quick internet check and didnt find anything of value
[03:37] <ilumi> no i never used KStreamRipper
[03:38] <semistud2354> is there anything else you use...that you would recomend...or just in general you dont use that type of program
[03:38] <ilumi> what do you use it for?
[03:39] <semistud2354> recording internet music...
[03:39] <semistud2354> ex. SHOUTCAST
[03:39] <semistud2354> that ip address...
[03:39] <semistud2354> its to a radio station...
[03:39] <semistud2354> listen to it...if you like techno
[03:39] <semistud2354> its good
[03:40] <semistud2354> but besides that...im having trouble trying to get this darn program to connect to the server...
[03:40] <A3K_One> Can someone help me troubleshoot an audio problem?
[03:41] <semistud2354> if i said....SWITCH TO WINDOWS...how fast would i get booted from the server...lol
[03:41] <semistud2354> just curous
[03:41] <ilumi> semistud2354: i read that audacity works, also amarok(but guess you cant listen while recording)
[03:42] <semistud2354> amarok 2
[03:42] <A3K_One> I just moved to kubuntu karmic, and I can't for the life of me get audio multiplexing between apps. Tried with/without pulseaudio, installing different alsa flavors...still locked to one app
[03:42] <semistud2354> really!!! is it a plugin
[03:42] <A3K_One> whichever app takes control of sound first has control
[03:43] <ilumi> A3K_One: i guess also first
[03:43] <ilumi> A3K_One: alsa
[03:44] <ilumi> semistud2354: maybe you can find a newer version of streamriper?
[03:44] <A3K_One> I have alsa installed :/
[03:45] <A3K_One> nobody?
[03:46] <ilumi> semistud2354: also check out StreamJacker, Icecream,
[03:46] <ilumi> A3K_One: what is audio multiplexing?
[03:47] <A3K_One> sharing the audio output device with multiple apps ie: program x/y/z all have the ability to play audio at the same time.
[03:48] <A3K_One> as it is, I launch program X and then Y, only X has audio.
[03:48] <A3K_One> I had this problem with an old release of Ubuntu, and just removed pulse and it fixed it
[03:50] <ilumi> A3K_One: im on kde, but not ubuntu, and multiplexing works
[03:51] <ilumi> A3K_One: probably configs messed up
[03:52] <A3K_One> real world example: I have dual monitors. If I want to play MMORPG in one and youtube vid in the other, only the first app has audio
[03:53] <A3K_One> or streaming radio and another app tries to use sound it does not work,
[03:56] <ilumi> A3K_One:  check this http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/AlsaSharing
[04:00] <Daughain> HOw about tftp, ilumi?
[04:02] <Daughain> I keeo getting "sendto: invalid argument" error, anythoughts?
[04:05] <Daughain> Anyone?
[04:05] <titan_ark> Daughain: hello
[04:06] <Daughain> Heya, titan_ark
[04:06] <titan_ark> errors? i have one too :P
[04:06] <Daughain> :P
[04:07] <Daughain> What ya got, titan_ark ?
[04:07] <titan_ark> power management says there is no battery
[04:07] <Daughain> Uplug it?
[04:07] <Daughain> Or, shut it down and unplug, then reboot?
[04:08] <titan_ark> it was unplugged and when i came back saw it in sleep and this error and no battery, plugged in and it still says no battery.
[04:08] <titan_ark> plugged out now and its working but says no battery :P
[04:08] <titan_ark> dint reboot cos i wanted to chk if i could find someone to help me sort out the problem w/o rebooting
[04:08] <ilumi> Daughain: u using tftp from a command line?
[04:09] <Daughain> ilumi: I didnt know there was another wAY TO DO SO. =)
[04:09] <Daughain> Sorry.
[04:09] <Daughain> titan_ark: Try a full reboot.
[04:09] <ilumi> Daughain: invalid argument probably means the command isnt typed up right
[04:10] <Daughain> ilumi: I'm running out of ways to type the command. =) And, the one way that is getting anything, bears no relation to the commands according to the man page.
[04:11] <titan_ark> Daughain: hmmm i can do that, but i dont want to be rebooting every time the notebook goes into sleep :P
[04:11] <Daughain> titan_ark: Disable sleep. :P  The reason I'm suggesting it is to find out if the issue involves the sleep mode, or not. If you ave a battery after full reboot, that helps narrow down where the problem may lie. :P
[04:11] <ilumi> Daughain: whats the command u are using?
[04:12] <Daughain> get <IP>:<path>
[04:12] <titan_ark> Daughain: hmm okay shall do
[04:12] <titan_ark> tada
[04:12]  * Daughain chuckles...
[04:13] <Daughain> ilumi: get <IP>:<path>
[04:14] <ilumi> you mean tftp get
[04:14] <Daughain> No, tftp command puts you into the command interface for tftp, once there you execute your command.
[04:14] <ilumi> ok
[04:15] <Daughain> ilumi: You need to quit from tftp interface to get back to normal command line.
[04:15] <ilumi> try putting the ip into the tftp
[04:16] <ilumi> tftp [options] [host [port]
[04:16] <ilumi> then
[04:16] <ilumi> get filename
[04:17] <titan_ark> Daughain: back after a reboot and it says 98% battery!
[04:17] <Daughain> ilumi: Thats the 'connect' command, and, it doesnt work properly. I input an IP, then use the get command (since I am accessing a windows box) get C:\<path>  and it tells me C: isnt a host.
[04:17] <Daughain> titan_ark:  Now put it to sleep mode manually.
[04:17] <Daughain> Give it 5 min, then wake it up again.
[04:18] <Daughain> ilumi: It requires me to manually input the IP on each 'get'.
[04:18] <titan_ark> wokay
[04:18] <Daughain> titan_ark: This is called testing. :P
[04:18] <titan_ark> lol okay
[04:18] <titan_ark> tada
[04:18] <Macintosher> I am having problems with kubuntu on my pc.
[04:19] <Daughain> Macintosher: State ya prob. =)
[04:20] <Macintosher> Every 10 minutes, a window keeps poping up saying I have been rick rolled and I did a clean install today, and it still gives me that problem.
[04:21] <Daughain> Macintosher: "rick rolled'???
[04:21] <Macintosher> Yes, Like that prank people pull all the time.
[04:21] <Daughain> I gots no clue what ya are talking about
[04:22] <ilumi> Daughain: i dont see anywhere that says you can do what you are doing, but dont know
[04:22] <Macintosher> Ok, now I have a lot of packages for kubuntu on one cd and after installing the google chrome package i have, it starts giving me this problem.
[04:22] <Daughain> ilumi: ??? As in connect to a windows box, or use the command line I am using?
[04:23] <Daughain> Macintosher: Remove google chrome?
[04:23] <ilumi> Daughain: to use get the way you are using
[04:23] <Macintosher> No, I do that and it still does that rick roll thing.
[04:23] <Macintosher> I think the one I doenloaded was infected.
[04:24] <Daughain> ilumi: If it was working, I wouldnt be worried.=) I cant seem to get it to work using the dirs from the man page......This is the closest I can come to getting it to connect.=( And, I need the sucker working for an install. =(
[04:24] <titan_ark> Daughain: it says no battery now!
[04:24] <Daughain> Macintosher: You can try cleaning out any folders and files left over from the chrome install manually.
[04:25] <titan_ark> in fact it sent me back into sleep again!
[04:25] <Macintosher> I tried that and it still does that rick roll thing.
[04:25] <ilumi> Daughain: maybe try to specify the port if you know which port
[04:25] <Roasted> whats up guys
[04:25] <Daughain> titan_ark:  Ok, so now we know the sleep function is the issue, right? CHeck and see if sleep uses the swap partition like hibernate does.
[04:25] <ilumi> sup sup
[04:26] <teage> is there a command line script for cleaning junk files and memory?
[04:26] <teage> or a program?
[04:26] <Daughain> ilumi: Ya...Dunno the port though. =(
[04:26] <Daughain> Roasted: Morning.
[04:26] <Macintosher> I actually instaid usually try to clean it out myself.
[04:26] <Daughain> Macintosher: Ok, see if ilumi has any ideas for ya.
[04:26] <titan_ark> Daughain: how do i do that? esp cos this is a wubi install!
[04:26] <dwidmann> I think kleansweep might be able to help in the junk files dept.
[04:26] <Roasted> so tempted to install kubuntu on my rig again
[04:26] <Roasted> mandriva is giving me a headache
[04:27] <titan_ark> Daughain:  hey i guess you are a bit tied down with your issue, il wait a while
[04:27] <ilumi> teage: you mean in ram?
[04:27] <teage> kleansweep, thanks
[04:27] <Daughain> titan_ark: wubi?? windows may be the culprit then. I'm really not familiar with how wubi works, other than I know it uses windows functions for a lot of things, rather than the linux ones.
[04:28] <teage> ilumi> i guess, i want to clean everything.
[04:28] <teage> and maybe free up some memory
[04:29] <titan_ark> Daughain: ah okay. the only reason i used wubi was cos every time something gets screwed up, i dont want to end up doing too much housekeeping
[04:29] <ilumi> teage: you shouldnt mess with ram, you can do apt-get autoclean to clean some unused files, thats all i know
[04:29] <titan_ark> any idea if there is a wubi channel :P
[04:29] <Macintosher> Ok, so is anyone going to help with this rick roll thing i mentioned earlier?
[04:29] <Daughain> titan_ark: windows may be the reason everything keeps getting screwed up. =) You are still relying on windows for your linux install. Set up a part, and do a true dual boot, if you really need to keep windows.
[04:30] <teage> ilumi> i had read somewhere for a script for just that (ram) and i just cant for the life of me find it. I have used it before. Have had no issues .
[04:31] <titan_ark> Daughain: i need it for certain reasons/ applications. the last time i did dual boot i had so many driver issues and was bugged restoring and reinstalling irritating windows
[04:31] <teage> well
[04:32] <teage> thanks for the help guys
[04:32] <ilumi> teage: linux does the memory management, no need for a script
[04:32] <Daughain> titan_ark: I can understand that, but dont know what to say. I keep an XP machine for the few things that do *not* run in linux, and will never be ported for it.
[04:32] <Macintosher> and still nobuddy's helping me?
[04:33] <Daughain> Macintosher: I did, to the extent that I could. :P
[04:33] <titan_ark> Daughain: yeah, i know, but cant afford the luxury of 2 boxes :(
[04:34] <titan_ark> power management says it runs a daemon called power devil, can i just restart it?
[04:34] <Macintosher> can i talk to ilumi please
[04:34] <ilumi> Macintosher: whats the problem?
[04:34] <Daughain> titan_ark: Find a cheap $100 Pent M like I did for windows. =)
[04:35] <Daughain> titan_ark:  You can try just restartinbg power devil and see if that solves the issue, yeah.
[04:35] <titan_ark> Daughain: $100 is quite a bit for an unemployed grad student like me :'(
[04:35] <titan_ark> how do i restart it?
[04:36] <titan_ark> hoping i dont get slashed for thi sn00bness
[04:36] <Daughain> titan_ark: I'm currently an unemployed mechanic, I traded for that system, and had to rebuild this one since the OS had crashed when I bought it. =)
[04:37] <Daughain> titan_ark: Ummm......This wil prly require sudo , but it should be sudo <ap name> stop
[04:38] <titan_ark> Daughain: whoa nice :)
[04:38] <titan_ark> hmm will try
[04:39] <Daughain> titan_ark: Google dbusdaemon and see if thats it.
[04:41] <Daughain> titan_ark:  I gotta h=go for a bit.....If ya dont have it figgered out when I get back, I'll see what I can do to help.=)
[04:42] <titan_ark> Daughain: sure shall check
[04:42] <titan_ark> ah okay :)
[04:42] <titan_ark> tc
[05:04] <titan_ark> damn, no one with suggetsions on restartig daemons :P
[05:05] <ilumi> whats up?
[05:07] <titan_ark> ilumi: my power managemnt says that i have no battery everytime the notebook goes into sleep
[05:07] <titan_ark> i just thought i could restart the powerdevil daemin
[05:08] <ilumi> do a locate service
[05:08] <titan_ark> but either i am doing it wrong, or something is wrong :P
[05:08] <titan_ark> am a n00b!
[05:08] <ilumi> type in console  locate service
[05:08] <titan_ark> could you please be a lil more elaborate?
[05:08] <titan_ark> oki
[05:09] <titan_ark> whoa huge list
[05:09] <ilumi> ok,
[05:10] <ilumi> go to your sbin/ and see if there is a file or script called service
[05:10] <titan_ark> i found this: /usr/share/kde4/services/powerdevilconfig.desktop in the result of locate service
[05:11] <ilumi> thats not it
[05:11] <titan_ark> ah
[05:11] <titan_ark> amit@ubuntu:~$ ps -ef | grep powerdevil
[05:11] <titan_ark> amit      2955  1695  0 20:54 ?        00:00:00 kdeinit4: kcmshell4 [kdeinit] powerdevilconfig
[05:11] <titan_ark> amit      2960     1  0 20:55 ?        00:00:02 /usr/bin/khelpcenter help:/kcontrol/powerdevil/index.html
[05:11] <titan_ark> amit      3057  1695  0 21:05 ?        00:00:00 kdeinit4: kcmshell4 [kdeinit] powerdevilconfig
[05:11] <titan_ark> amit      3081  2777  0 21:11 pts/2    00:00:00 grep --color=auto powerdevil
[05:11] <FloodBotK2> titan_ark: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:11] <titan_ark> does this help?
[05:12] <titan_ark> ah sorry
[05:12] <ilumi> go to your /sbin/ folder and see if there is a file or script called service
[05:12] <titan_ark> okay
[05:12] <titan_ark> in a min
[05:13] <titan_ark> ilumi: sorry, but what is its path?
[05:13] <com8> there are any prog like googe earth but with true satelites???
[05:13] <titan_ark> got it
[05:13] <ilumi> in console do cd /sbin/
[05:14] <ilumi> then ls s*
[05:14] <ilumi> or just open the file manager, go to root aka / then sbin
[05:14] <titan_ark> no, there is nothing as service
[05:15] <titan_ark> ilumi: yes, that way i can see service
[05:16] <ilumi> so from that directory do sudo service servicename restart
[05:17] <titan_ark> powerdevil: unrecognized service
[05:17] <titan_ark> that is what it throws at me
[05:17] <ilumi> probably has a different name?
[05:18] <titan_ark> wont "ps -ef | grep powerdevil" give its process id?
[05:18] <titan_ark> if it existed
[05:18] <titan_ark> ?
[05:18] <ilumi> open system monitor, and see what the name of it is
[05:21] <titan_ark> there is nothing by the name power!
[05:22] <titan_ark> i can see a kcmshell4 process when i search for the keyword "power"
[05:22] <titan_ark> that is it
[05:22] <ilumi> well if you have the id, just match the id with namw
[05:22] <ilumi> name
[05:23] <titan_ark> it does not show any id
[05:23] <titan_ark> will top help?
[05:23] <titan_ark> in terminal?
[05:23] <ilumi> top is the same as system monitor
[05:24] <titan_ark> ok, but the gui does not show the pid
[05:24] <ilumi> just right click on top of the columns and select show pid
[05:24] <titan_ark> ah :P
[05:26] <titan_ark> yes, i can see that kcmshell having same pid as when i did the ps -ef | grep powerdevil command
[05:27] <ilumi> titan_ark: maybe the powerdevil isnt started, thats why it shows no battery
[05:27] <titan_ark> oh
[05:27] <titan_ark> so how can i start it?
[05:28] <ilumi> just type powerdevil in console and see what happens
[05:28] <titan_ark> command nt found
[05:28] <ilumi> type locate devil
[05:29] <titan_ark> i can see quite a few things
[05:29] <titan_ark> do i pastebin it?
[05:29] <ilumi> sure
[05:31] <titan_ark> http://paste.ubuntu.com/355346/
[05:32] <ilumi> try alt +f2  and powerdevil
[05:33] <titan_ark> nothing
[05:33] <xjjk> that's now how you start powerdevil
[05:33] <titan_ark> there is a power management
[05:33] <titan_ark> xjjk: how do i do it?
[05:34] <xjjk> titan_ark: check power management first
[05:34] <titan_ark> everytime i go into sleep it says no battery
[05:34] <xjjk> AFAIK if nothing is there, then powerdevil isn't working
[05:34] <xjjk> but to start/stop powerdevil
[05:34] <xjjk> go to System Settings > Service Manager
[05:34] <xjjk> under "Startup Services" you'll see Powerdevil
[05:36] <titan_ark> i cant see Service manager in System in settings
[05:36] <xjjk> titan_ark: it may be under advanced
[05:36] <titan_ark> yes i see it.
[05:36] <titan_ark> it says power devil is running
[05:37] <ilumi> xjjk: do you know the service name for powerdevil?
[05:37] <xjjk> ilumi: it's called "Power Devil" in KDE"s service manager; I don't know what it's called outside
[05:37] <xjjk> it's sort of a pain to work without the GUI, since it's not a normal daemon but a dbus desktop session thing
[05:38] <xjjk> titan_ark: what did stuff in the power management applet look like
[05:38] <titan_ark> i did a stop and start but no change
[05:39] <titan_ark> xjjk: it says everything is okay, just that number of batteries = 0
[05:39] <xjjk> titan_ark: that implies there's a problem with HAL somewhere
[05:39] <xjjk> not KDE
[05:39] <titan_ark> ah
[05:39] <xjjk> titan_ark: on the command-line, type "acpi"
[05:39] <xjjk> you may also need to install that application; sudo aptitude install acpi to do that
[05:39] <titan_ark> yeah i need to install it
[05:40] <titan_ark> okay done
[05:41] <titan_ark> acpi gives no result but
[05:41] <xjjk> titan_ark: it should, that's a low-level tool
[05:41] <xjjk> titan_ark: try acpi -b just to be sure
[05:41] <xjjk> I get:
[05:41] <xjjk> $ acpi -b
[05:41] <xjjk> Battery 0: Unknown, 78%
[05:41] <xjjk> you should too
[05:42] <FloodBotK1> xjjk: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:42] <titan_ark> it says command not founf
[05:42] <xjjk> titan_ark: er, check if you installed it correctly
[05:43] <titan_ark> did it again, says it is installed, but why dies not ask a Y/N before the install?
[05:43] <titan_ark> oh the command not found was because of a missing space, did acpi -b and still no result
[05:44] <xjjk> titan_ark: it tends to ask y/n only when it's pulling in more packages than you specified, or something like that
[05:44] <xjjk> or if packages are not signed
[05:44] <titan_ark> ok
[05:44] <xjjk> titan_ark: OK, so, time to go more low-level
[05:44] <titan_ark> heh, okay
[05:44] <titan_ark> bring it on :P
[05:45] <xjjk> titan_ark: what brand laptop is this?
[05:45] <titan_ark> its an HP
[05:45] <xjjk> titan_ark: open a terminal, go to /sys/class/power_supply
[05:46] <xjjk> what do you see there? you should see AC and BAT0
[05:46] <titan_ark> i just see AC
[05:46] <xjjk> hrm, that's bad
[05:46] <xjjk> so, it appears to be a kernel/driver problem
[05:46] <xjjk> it doesn't detect a battery at all
[05:46] <titan_ark> ah
[05:47] <xjjk> has Linux ever seen the battery?
[05:47] <titan_ark> yeah, this is the case after it gets into sleep
[05:47] <titan_ark> after a reboot it is fine
[05:47] <xjjk> oh, wait
[05:47] <xjjk> so, when you start the computer
[05:47] <xjjk> it sees the battery
[05:47] <titan_ark> yup
[05:47] <xjjk> but after you resume from sleep it doesn't see it anymore?
[05:47] <titan_ark> thats right
[05:47] <xjjk> titan_ark: that sounds like a kernel bug
[05:48] <titan_ark> okay
[05:48] <xjjk> do you know what version you're running? I'd try with an older or newer kernel
[05:48] <titan_ark> i am on an older kernel
[05:48] <titan_ark> the one ending ...30-14
[05:49] <xjjk> er, what version of Ubuntu is this
[05:49] <titan_ark> another problem in updating the kernel to the latest is i end up with some funny errors and cant boot in
[05:49] <titan_ark> its karmic
[05:49] <titan_ark> 9.10
[05:49] <xjjk> karmic comes with 2.6.31 AFAIK
[05:50] <titan_ark> :-o lemme check, one min
[05:50] <cartmanius> hola
[05:50] <cartmanius> alguien que hable español
[05:50] <xjjk> cartmanius: no, lo siento =/
[05:50] <xjjk> cartmanius: AFAIK there is a special Spanish channel...
[05:51] <cartmanius> ok
[05:51] <cartmanius> thanks
[05:51] <xjjk> cartmanius: #ubuntu-es I think
[05:51] <titan_ark> xjjk: yeah, when i update to 2.6.31.17.30, i cant boot :P
[05:51] <xjjk> titan_ark: yah, you definitely want to fix that
[05:51] <titan_ark> i am on 31.14.30 i think
[05:52] <titan_ark> a friend with the same notebook is facing the same trouble he was using 16 perfectly and after he updated to 17 he too get s a filesystem error and cant boot in
[05:52] <titan_ark> so i just did a reinstall and do all updates excluding that one
[05:53] <titan_ark> but he doesnt have trouble with the battery
[05:53] <titan_ark> probably cos he is using gnome and i am on kde?
[05:53] <xjjk> titan_ark: same notebook? exactly the same?
[05:53] <xjjk> titan_ark: the problem you're seeing is kernel level, and would be the same under GNOME or KDE
[05:53] <titan_ark> both are HP, same series, just that mine was a CTO and his was readily configured
[05:54] <titan_ark> oh okay
[05:54] <xjjk> titan_ark: what about BIOS versions
[05:54] <titan_ark> xjjk: yes even BIOS versions are same, cos we had to flash em to the latest before we upgraded to win 7
[05:55] <xjjk> weird
[05:55] <titan_ark> so i am pretty sure i took the latest one off HPs site
[05:55] <xjjk> titan_ark: not sure what's going on there...
[05:55] <xjjk> titan_ark: I'd fix that kernel problem, and try to go to the latest
[05:55] <xjjk> but more than likely the problem you're having still exists there too
[05:55] <xjjk> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.32.3/
[05:55] <titan_ark> ah, how do i do that is the problem
[05:55] <xjjk> titan_ark: try one of those kernels
[05:56] <xjjk> are you using i386 or amd64?
[05:56] <titan_ark> okay
[05:56] <titan_ark> amd 64
[05:56] <titan_ark> btw, this is a wubi install we both are using
[05:56] <xjjk> titan_ark: get http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.32.3/linux-headers-2.6.32-02063203-generic_2.6.32-02063203_amd64.deb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.32.3/linux-headers-2.6.32-02063203_2.6.32-02063203_all.debhttp://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.32.3/linux-image-2.6.32-02063203-generic_2.6.32-02063203_amd64.deb
[05:56] <xjjk> titan_ark: that may have something to do with this; I don't know anything about wubi
[05:57] <xjjk> if you're getting a filesystem error that also seems as if it may have to do with wubi too
[05:57] <titan_ark> oh okay
[05:58] <titan_ark> but then doesnt that mean that the latest kernel is causing this incompatability with wubi?
[05:58] <xjjk> titan_ark: the latest update, yes
[05:58] <titan_ark> hmm
[05:58] <xjjk> you should look into that
[05:58] <xjjk> the newer kernel I posted above may or may not fix the problem
[05:58] <titan_ark> okay
[05:59] <xjjk> titan_ark: er, just to warn, what I posted is considered "bleeding edge"
[05:59] <titan_ark> which out of the 3 should i use?
[05:59] <xjjk> it's the latest "vanilla" linux kernel release
[05:59] <xjjk> titan_ark: you should download all 3, and install manually with sudo dpkg --install linux*deb
[05:59] <titan_ark> oh okay sounds interesting!
[05:59] <titan_ark> okay
[05:59] <titan_ark> and what if it screws things up, will i be able to recover?
[05:59] <titan_ark> or a reinstall :P
[06:00] <xjjk> titan_ark: if that bleeding edge kernel doesn't work, you can always go back to whatever you're using now that does
[06:00] <titan_ark> okay
[06:01] <titan_ark> okay, now do i need to install em in any specific order?
[06:01] <xjjk> titan_ark: it's easiest to use the command I posted, passing them all to dpkg at once
[06:01] <xjjk> dpkg will figure out the order
[06:01] <xjjk> but AFAIK it's linux-image first, then headers
[06:01] <titan_ark> okay
[06:02] <titan_ark> i am quite a n00b
[06:02] <xjjk> NP we all started somewhere
[06:02] <xjjk> titan_ark: if you've the disk space, I'd ditch Wubi and install natively to disk
[06:03] <titan_ark> well i have the disc space, the problem is that i need windows too, and then things quite often get screwed up and i need to end up doing restores and reinstalls
[06:03] <titan_ark> this happened with the jaunty 9.04
[06:03] <titan_ark> no audio no wireless no matter what i tried
[06:03] <titan_ark> couldnt get my mbr back and had to do a fresh install
[06:04] <titan_ark> in just 1 week of buying the notebook :P
[06:04] <xjjk> ick
[06:04] <Macintosher> Ok, i did what ilumi said with redownloading kubunt and i dont have any problems now, but it is running extremely slow.
[06:05] <titan_ark> xjjk: coming back to installing the kernels, do i need to go to that path first where it is DLed
[06:05] <titan_ark> ?
[06:05] <xjjk> titan_ark: er, not sure what you're asking, but I think the answer is yes?
[06:06] <titan_ark> ah, i meant do i need to run in from the folder where i DLed it
[06:06] <xjjk> titan_ark: yes
[06:06] <xjjk> otherwise it won't be able to find the file
[06:06] <titan_ark> okay
[06:08] <titan_ark> okay, its doing its job
[06:08] <titan_ark> okay done
[06:08] <titan_ark> prolly needs a reboot now
[06:09] <xjjk> yes, and select that kernel
[06:09] <xjjk> hopefully it'll work
[06:09] <titan_ark> yeah
[06:09] <titan_ark> with my fingers crossed
[06:09] <titan_ark> hope to cya on the other side ;)
[06:09] <titan_ark> tada
[06:10] <xjjk> titan_ark: still there?
[06:10] <Macintosher> hello? anyone going to help me with this second problem i just got?
[06:10] <titan_ark> ah yes
[06:10] <titan_ark> just closing all apps
[06:10] <xjjk> titan_ark: is this the error you're getting: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lupin/+bug/477169
[06:10] <titan_ark> xjjk: checking
[06:12] <titan_ark> xjjk: yup thats right, i donot remember exactly but i do remember seeing that kernel-panic and filesystem error
[06:12] <xjjk> titan_ark: that thread appears to have some solutions, you should look through it
[06:12] <titan_ark> okay thx
[06:13] <titan_ark> shall mail it myself in case i cant get i
[06:13] <titan_ark> *in
[06:15] <titan_ark> done
[06:15] <titan_ark> logging off
[06:15] <titan_ark> cya
[06:15] <titan_ark> hope to get back in fine
[06:19] <cartmanius> some tool for capture screenshots of desk in ubuntu?
[06:20] <xjjk> cartmanius: for kubuntu, checkout ksnapshot
[06:20] <cartmanius> in the center of software ubuntu to download? or direct internet?
[06:21] <xjjk> cartmanius: AFAIK it's already installed
[06:21] <xjjk> check your menus, or run directly with krunner (alt+f2)
[06:22] <cartmanius> i have ubuntu not kubuntu
[06:22] <xjjk> cartmanius: there's a utility included but I'm not sure it's name
[06:22] <xjjk> you should ask in an Ubuntu channel
[06:22] <iconmefisto> wrong channel cartmanius
[06:23] <cartmanius> ok thanks so much
[06:26] <titan_ark> xjjk: you there?/
[06:37] <cartmanius> yes
[06:39] <Crell> Hi folks.  I'm having trouble getting a VPN connection working in 9.10.
[06:39] <Crell> I have openvpn installed, and network-manager-openvpn.
[06:40] <Crell> I've entered in the information my sysadmin gave me, but when I try to select the VPN connection from the network manager plasmoid it simply doesn't respond at all.
[06:40] <Crell> I checked syslog, and got the following error.
[06:41] <Crell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/355368/
[06:41] <Crell> But I'm not a network admin, so I have no idea how to figure out what I need to do from that.
[06:41] <Crell> I know the VPN itself works on the server side, because other people at my company are able to connect (using Macs).
[06:44] <Crell> Any hints on how to decypher that?
[07:41] <Zhenya> hi y'all, having some issue with firefox file associates. Where do i find the programs when it prompts me to select a program to open a file with?
[07:43] <titan_ark> Hey Zhenya
[07:43] <titan_ark> which file?
[07:43] <Zhenya> titan_ark: any file really.Like where do i find AMAROM in the file structure
[07:44] <iconmefisto> amarok?
[07:44] <titan_ark> hmm
[07:45] <Daughain> /home/.amarok
[07:45] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: you'll find most programs in /usr/bin
[07:46] <Zhenya> i dont have an .file type of files there
[07:46] <Zhenya> oh usr/bin let me try that
[07:46] <Daughain> show hidden
[07:47] <titan_ark> Daughain howdy
[07:47] <xjjk> titan_ark: greetings again; did you get the new kernel working?
[07:47] <titan_ark> xjjk: yeah it is working
[07:47] <Daughain> only sorta here, titan_ark
[07:47] <xjjk> titan_ark: did the battery problem go away?
[07:47] <titan_ark> i did get 2 messages while booting, it was quite fast, so couldn get an eye on it
[07:48] <titan_ark> Daughain: :) oki
[07:48] <titan_ark> xjjk: need to test that
[07:48] <Daughain> movie time.
[07:48] <Zhenya> thank you guys that worked fantastically! WOOT for this awesome support forum
[07:49] <titan_ark> xjjk: btw, i tried acpi -b and got this: Battery 0: Discharging, 16%, discharging at zero rate - will never fully discharge.
[07:49] <titan_ark> Daughain: enjoy =)
[07:49] <xjjk> titan_ark: er, interesting..
[07:49] <xjjk> titan_ark: that's when plugged in via AC?
[07:49] <titan_ark> a battery that will never discharge :D
[07:49] <titan_ark> nope, disconnected
[07:49] <titan_ark> now it is connected and i get this:
[07:50] <titan_ark> Battery 0: Charging, 79%, charging at zero rate - will never fully charge.
[07:50] <xjjk> titan_ark: never seen that before
[07:51] <titan_ark> i wonder why i get the wierd problems :P
[07:51] <Daughain> not just you.
[07:52] <titan_ark> Daughain: :D
[07:52] <xjjk> I'm debugging my own weird problem..
[07:52] <xjjk> I'm trying to get my webcam to work with widescreen resolutions
[07:52] <xjjk> apparently... there are multiple revisions, and some work differently than others
[07:52] <titan_ark> xjjk: btw even after that kernel upgrade, why am i notified to upgrade to the older kernel 17.30?
[07:52] <titan_ark> xjjk: ah okay
[07:53] <xjjk> titan_ark: it won't detect that newer vanilla kernel as newer
[07:53] <xjjk> because that package is not from the repositories
[07:53] <titan_ark> gotcha
[07:53] <titan_ark> so when does this kernel become official?
[07:53] <xjjk> it's always going to tell you to install the latest Ubuntu-supported one
[07:53] <xjjk> titan_ark: never
[07:53] <titan_ark> hmm okay
[07:53] <titan_ark> whoa!
[07:53] <xjjk> that site is for test kernels
[07:53] <Daughain> lol
[07:53] <titan_ark> okay
[07:54] <xjjk> they dont include everything included with normal Ubuntu kernels
[07:54] <xjjk> if you use any proprietary hardware, you may have noticed you don't have drivers for them with that vanilla kernel
[07:54] <Zhenya> guys, another question. Firefox seems to scroll real choppy in linux but very smooth when i'm in xp. Is there somekind of swap settings or something i can adjust to smooth this out>
[07:54] <Zhenya> ?
[07:54] <titan_ark> hmmm my wireless card works
[07:55] <titan_ark> i had to install the properietry driver on the initial install
[07:55] <xjjk> titan_ark: interesting... what wireless card?
[07:55] <xjjk> maybe the newer kernel has them built-in
[07:55] <titan_ark> its a broadcom
[07:55] <xjjk> titan_ark: ugh, those are terrible to work with
[07:55] <titan_ark> had to install the sta driver
[07:56] <titan_ark> :D yeah, had a tough time with it
[07:56] <xjjk> titan_ark: lsmod | grep bcm
[07:56] <xjjk> there's an open-source Broadcom driver within Linux
[07:56] <Zhenya> any ideal y'all about the scrolling?
[07:56] <xjjk> it may have started working with 2.6.32.2
[07:57] <titan_ark> xjjk: the command throws back nothing
[07:57] <xjjk> titan_ark: hrm, go figure
[07:57] <titan_ark> Zhenya: my scroll works fine :P
[07:57] <xjjk> it works, knock on wood
[07:57] <titan_ark> xjjk: k =)
[07:57] <Zhenya> titan_ark: doesnt seem choppy or anything?
[07:58] <Zhenya> titan_ark: mine feels more like mac  osx scroll (choppy on an older machine) than xp
[07:58] <titan_ark> Zhenya: :P i guess not, or rather it doesnt bother me
[07:58] <titan_ark> cant figure out the difference
[07:58] <Zhenya> titan_ark: you proabably have muhc better hardware than me
[07:59] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: does this happen with all webpages? do you have any firefox extensions installed?
[08:00] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: pretty much yes, especially long ones like google reader
[08:00] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: not really any extensions that would effect performance
[08:00] <titan_ark> xjjk: I just checked the hardware drivers and it shows that i am still using the STA broadcom driver
[08:02] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: is smooth scrolling on? (firefox prefs, advanced tab)
[08:03] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: that seemed to help on smaller pages but now the longer pages are just DRAGGING and lagging in scrolling!
[08:05] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: try starting firefox in safemode to see if any themes or extensions may be the cause (firefox -safe-mode)
[08:05] <Zhenya> ok let me try that!
[08:07] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: yep same problem in safemode (although the title-bar doesn't say firefox is in safemode
[08:07] <ammar> hi
[08:09] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: also as a note it is WAY slower in scrolling and basicly unusable if i turn on the smoth scrolling. As a hardwarereference this is NOT an issue with xp
[08:18] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[08:20] <titan_ark> enjoy the show?
[08:20] <Zhenya> titan_ark: good night!
[08:21] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: good night!
[08:21] <titan_ark> Zhenya: Done for the day? good night.
[08:23] <rizvan> hi, how to type zwnj (zero width non-joiner) in Hindi keyboard layout, i have 3rd level with right-ctrl key
[08:25] <Zhenya> exit
[08:25] <Zhenya> titan_ark: yep. its 230am here and i've been up since 730 :D
[08:25] <Zhenya> time for some sleep
[08:25] <Zhenya> woot
[08:30] <alloosh> hi, not sure why no one is answering in ubuntu so asking here, why quanta is not supporting sftp after installing 9.10?
[09:03] <renato> hi, how do I find what kernel version is runnning?
[09:04] <Kolia> renato: uname -a ?
[09:04] <renato> tx
[09:09] <renato> I am running kernel 2.6.31-17-server I need to install the kernel source, what is the package containing the kernel source?
[09:14] <tsimpson> renato: do you need the source? or just the headers?
[09:16] <renato> I need the source, I need to modify and recompile a module
[09:17] <tsimpson> renato: then you can do "apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)" to get the source in the current directory (no sudo required)
[09:19] <renato> tsimpson: tx. I think I remember, in the /boot directory there should be a file containing the current setting for the running kernel, do you happen to remember that file anme?
[09:19] <renato> name
[09:20] <tsimpson> renato: it's the one starting with "config-"
[09:23] <renato> tsimpson: got it. one last question, I remember reading somwehere there is a different package to download for the module source? aren't they included in the kernel I just downloaded?
[09:25] <tsimpson> that was only for the restricted modules, non-free ones
[09:29] <renato> ok, tx
[09:39] <renato> tsimpson: downloading the kernen with your method resulted in two files :linux_2.6.31.orig.tar.gz and linux_2.6.31-17.54.diff.gz but when I went to try to applu the patch patch <linux_2.6.31-17.54.diff I got a warning:   Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n] does it mean that while I got the patch the patch has been applied already?
[09:40] <tsimpson> renato: unpack it with "dpkg-source -x linux_2.6.31-17.54.dsc"
[09:41] <renato> unpack what? the patch?
[09:41] <tsimpson> no, the whole source
[09:41] <tsimpson> it'll unpack the source and apply the patch
[09:42] <renato> the kernel did already unpack in my home directory as a result of  apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[09:42] <tsimpson> then the patch is already applied
[09:42] <renato> yes, I was thinking the same
[09:43] <renato> the configuration file for the kernel, is called .config sin't it?
[09:43] <renato> (the one that is supposed to be on the kernel directory=
[09:43] <renato> )
[09:45] <tsimpson> renato: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[09:46] <renato> haha, I was still at make && make modules
[09:56] <Brozac> after installing evolution mail there is no such option as ms exchange account, any other packages needed ?
[10:48] <jesterKing> hi, I'm trying to change locales from C to UTF-8
[10:48] <jesterKing> running 9.10, I'm trying to run dpkg-reconfigure locales, but nothing happens
[10:49] <jesterKing> is there some file I need to edit first?
[10:58] <jesterKing> hmm, right
[10:58] <jesterKing> sudo locale-gen fi_FI.UTF-8; sudo update-locale LANG=fi_FI.UTF-8
[11:00] <bigbrovar> anyone knows how i can get amarok to sync with my mass storage based music device? its one feature I have missed from the 1.x version of amarok
[12:34] <sravan_> Is there any software that plays HD mkv and .avi files in kubuntu ?????---- VLC is unable to play HD files properly :(
[12:36] <krion> hi
[12:37] <happy_> hi
[12:52] <Fanfare> sravan_: !medibuntu
[12:52] <Fanfare> !medibuntu | sravan_
[12:52] <erghezi> history and bookmarks dont work in my firefox 3.6 or 3.7
[12:58] <sravan_> Fanfare, : In mediubuntu , Which package should I install ?
[13:01] <erghezi> everplays: درست شد
[13:01] <erghezi> sravan_: گرچه همه چیز پرید!
[13:01] <erghezi> sorry
[13:02] <sravan> erghezi, : I didnt get you :(
[13:02] <erghezi> sravan_:  because that's persian :D
[13:03] <erghezi> google desktop cant index any file in kubuntu
[13:03] <sravan_> erghezi, : What is it's English name ?
[13:06] <erghezi> sravan_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_people
[13:14] <martijn> hi i want the to ask a backport for ktorrent, is this possible here?
[13:16] <martijn> hi i want the scripts for ktorrent to work, does anyone of you have any idea how to get it to work?
[13:24] <Fanfare> sravan_: depends on w32codecs or w64codecs iirc
[13:25] <Fanfare> hm, is HD content so different?
[13:26] <martijn> Fanfare: yes it is a lot sharper
[13:27] <Fanfare> martijn: i mean codecwise...
[13:27] <martijn> most HD movies come in mkv media container and is 720p or 1080p
[13:27] <Fanfare> mkv = matroska?
[13:27] <martijn> no idea if the codebase of HD is so much better than HD avi, i guess it is
[13:28] <martijn> it is smaller in file size though if you compare avi from mkv
[13:29] <martijn> yup mkv is matroska indeed
[13:31] <Fanfare> so only thing one needs is the matroska codecs ... ? which is a depandency of vlc...
[13:32] <martijn> yup, that or libxine1-ffmpeg or w32codecs/w64codecs
[13:32] <martijn> i have the experience that w32codecs under smplayer gives me the best results for HD movies
[13:55] <Babyshambles> hi. can somebody help me please. after upgrade to kde 4.4 rc1 my desktop is fade to black. http://imagebin.org/79525
[13:56] <Bios> hey whats the difference between a hard link and a symbolic link?
[13:57] <xjjk> Babyshambles: is plasma running
[13:57] <xjjk> looks as if it's crashing
[13:57] <Tm_T> Bios: symbolic link is, well, link, hardlink is more like "same file in two places" for real
[13:58] <Tm_T> Babyshambles: I'd say you don't have plasma-desktop running, doublecheck you don't have any plasma related files in ~/.config/autostart/ folder
[13:58] <Bios> so its more like the file is physically copied but there is only one file in the os?
[13:58] <Bios> (hard)
[13:59] <Tm_T> Bios: no copy, the actual data is in one place, but file appears in two places
[13:59] <Tm_T> Bios: no matter which place you remove it, it stays working in other
[13:59] <Bios> ok
[14:00] <Bios> so a symbolic link would fail to work if i remove the orginial data file?
[14:00] <Tm_T> Bios: but symbolic link works just as link, if original file is removed, link is dead
[14:00] <Babyshambles> xjjk, Tm_T  i'm able to run plasma-desktop but it's only temporary. after the next reboot it crash again.
[14:00] <Tm_T> Bios: yes
[14:00] <Bios> okidoki thanks man
[14:00] <Tm_T> Babyshambles: see what I said before
[14:01] <Tm_T> Bios: symbolic link is excellent choice if you want something to appear in other place, or under other name, never have found reason to use hard link myself yet
[14:02] <Bios> well at least you wont have anykind of dead links when using hard links ;)
[14:03] <Bios> uhm btw will links be refreshed automatically if you move the original file?
[14:03] <Babyshambles> Tm_T, i have plasma desktop on autostart folder. http://imagebin.org/79528
[14:03] <Tm_T> Bios: symoblic links? no, with hardlink, it works
[14:03] <Tm_T> Babyshambles: remove it
[14:04] <Tm_T> Babyshambles: remove both of those
[14:05] <Babyshambles> Tm_T, done. do i need to reboot now?
[14:05] <Tm_T> Babyshambles: just relogin
[14:07] <Babyshambles> Tm_T, sorry but it don't fix anything
[14:07] <Tm_T> Babyshambles: did they reappear there?
[14:11] <Babyshambles> Tm_T, there's nothing on autostart folder and if i run plasma-desktop i get weird panel http://imagebin.org/79529
[14:16] <Tm_T> Babyshambles: hmm, are you willing to remove your plasma settings? or just move them aside to see if it helps, run this in konsole: "mkdir ~/plasmatemp && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/plasmatemp/" and relogin
[14:17] <daskreech> Tm_T: Wouldn't Babyshambles have to logout first?
[14:18] <Tm_T> daskreech: agh, true
[14:18] <Babyshambles> Tm_T, ok. be right back
[14:18] <Tm_T> daskreech: can you lead him thru? I have to go
[14:18] <Tm_T> should need to make sure everything is installed all fine too if that doesn't help
[14:19] <Tm_T> anyway, gone ->
[14:19] <daskreech> So does Babyshambles it seems
[14:21] <Babyshambles> Tm_T, daskreech after run mkdir ~/plasmatemp && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/plasmatemp/ i still get the same problem.
[14:22] <daskreech> Babyshambles: this was while logged out of KDE ?
[14:23] <Babyshambles> daskreech, no it's while login, after splashscreen desktop is fade to black.
[14:23] <daskreech> Babyshambles: do you know how to logout of KDE and go to a VT ?
[14:24] <Babyshambles> daskreech, what is VT?
[14:26] <daskreech> Babyshambles: Virtual Terminal
[14:27] <Babyshambles> daskreech, how can i reach into it?
[14:27] <daskreech> Babyshambles: Ok Linux has a set of terminals which are logically different computers
[14:27] <daskreech> You are on the GUI now which is Terminal 7
[14:27] <daskreech> The other terminals are normal command line affairs
[14:28] <daskreech> Babyshambles: You can get to them using the keys alt+Ctrl+F# where # is 1, 2, 3 etc. TO get back to the GUI you press Alt+Ctrl+F7. try it now
[14:30] <Babyshambles> daskreech, i've been there, what should i do?
[14:32] <daskreech> Babyshambles: Ok when you log out of KDE you will be on the login screen jump to a VT and login and run the command that you were given. If you have typed it in already you should be able to just press up and get it back. When it's done go back to VT7 and login to KDE again
[14:32] <Babyshambles> daskreech, ok let me try
[14:32] <daskreech> ok
[14:33] <erghezi> i cant completely upgrade to kde 4.4
[14:34] <erghezi> some packages is blocked!
[14:34] <erghezi> http://img5.tinypic.info/files/kjfo7l5jgcdqqwb2x13r.png
[14:34] <erghezi> dolphin and amarok dont work
[14:35] <Babyshambles> daskreech, when i run mkdir ~/plasmatemp && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/plasmatemp/ it says file exist
[14:38] <daskreech> Babyshambles: mv ~/plasmatemp ~/plasmatemp-1
[14:39] <Babyshambles> daskreech, on gui or vt?
[14:39] <daskreech> vt
[14:40] <daskreech> erghezi: Is it klipper that's blocking them?
[14:42] <Babyshambles> daskreech, i still get the error
[14:43] <Babyshambles> still no plasma desktop
[14:43] <daskreech> Babyshambles: ok I assume someone asked you to hit alt+F2 and type plasma-desktop there ?
[14:44] <fire`lalala> hm I had some similar issues which where caused by defect desktop effects
[14:44] <fire`lalala> try to disable them with alt-shift-f12 ... if plasma-desktop is indeed running
[14:45] <daskreech> fire`lalala: That's Kwin
[14:46] <fire`lalala> daskreech: ups, you're right
[14:47] <Babyshambles> daskreech, fire`lalala http://imagebin.org/79531
[14:47] <Babyshambles> double plasma
[14:47] <fire`lalala> double?
[14:47] <fire`lalala> you can remove these widgets
[14:48] <Babyshambles> fire`lalala, rebooting and let see if the problem is fix
[14:51] <Babyshambles> daskreech, fire`lalala it's gone again after reboot
[14:51] <fire`lalala> what's gone?
[14:51] <Babyshambles> fire`lalala, plasma
[14:56] <Babyshambles> how to add plasma desktop to ~./config/autostart ?
[14:58] <alvin> In KDE 4.4 RC1, where can the Akonadi Settings be found?
[15:00] <Guest23805> !list
[15:04] <kaddi> if I never use samba and don't share files with windows machines over network, can I just uninstall it? What would be the best way to remove it?
[15:09] <joro_> hello
[15:10] <kaddi> hi
[15:10] <joro__> kaddi hi
[15:12] <Roasted> does kubuntu 9.10 have the software center? or did ubuntu leave that to themselves?
[15:12] <kaddi> Roasted: they kpackagekit
[15:12] <Roasted> kpackagekit is their version of software center?
[15:14] <kaddi> yes, sry, I originally planned to make a sentence but must have lost a couple of words
[15:14] <Roasted> is it pretty comparable?
[15:15] <kaddi> Roasted: I'm not really familiar with either, so i can't say. But you can download all software with that program
[15:15] <kaddi> !fr | joro__
[15:15] <daskreech> Roasted: as it stands currently yes but you can install the software center in Kubuntu if you like
[15:17] <cipher_> hi
[15:37] <elysion> hi! anyone here care to help me? was trying to upgrade kde from 4.2 to 4.3 using the following instructions: http://www.webupd8.org/2009/08/install-kde-43-in-ubuntu-jaunty-904.html
[15:37] <elysion> after the upgrade plasma failed to launch
[15:37] <elysion> so i uninstalled the packages according to the uninstallation instructions on the same page
[15:38] <elysion> that didn't quite help, so I removed libplasma3 and reinstalled kubuntu-desktop
[15:38] <soee> hi
[15:38] <elysion> so now kde starts and works quite ok, but the global shortcuts don't work
[15:38] <mau> hi !!! the cahannel in italian pleas,,,tnx.
[15:39] <mau> please
[15:39] <Kolia> !it |mau
[15:39] <elysion> the global shortcuts settings in the system settings does not list a thing in the kde components
[15:40] <mau> tnx..
[15:42] <Fanfare> !it | mau
[15:43] <Fanfare> elysion: i dont have 9.04, but iirc staging is a bad repository!
[15:43] <erghezi> i upgrade mykde to 4.4
[15:43] <erghezi> Fanfare: but the klipper dont install
[15:43] <elysion> Fanfare: which repository should i use then?
[15:44] <erghezi> i  use " sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/klipper_4%3a4.3.90-0ubuntu~karmic1~ppa3_amd64.deb"
[15:45] <erghezi> now dolphin and amarok dont work!
[15:45] <mau> I need an  program to work with audio, mix, cut, add ... someone has some experience.
[15:45] <Fanfare> elysion: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports has kde 4.3.2
[15:45] <mau> for kubuntu kde
[15:46] <Fanfare> mau: audacity (not kde) , ardour ( not kde)
[15:46] <Fanfare> mau: squeeze  (is kde iirc)
[15:47] <mau> tnx
[15:49] <elysion> Fanfare: could you give the line I should put in sources.list?
[15:49] <bo7amny> iam new to kde , i have kubuntu 9.10 and every time i start my laptop the wallet program stat up (even when i unstall ) , how can i mange start up application ?
[15:51] <bo7amny> *how can i control start up application ?
[15:51] <Fanfare> elysion: see the page, click on no karmic, then choose dist. version
[15:51] <t13rteen> hey!
[15:52] <bo7amny> brb
[15:52] <Fanfare> mau: Sweep was the kde apps name :-)
[15:55] <elysion> Fanfare: yeah, got it already. was just a bit of a pain with links :P
[15:56] <Fanfare> elysion: yeah theyre hidden in favor to the new ppa:bla thing...
[15:57] <elysion> funny that the guy who made the guide instructed to use the staging repo while on the page it says "DON'T USE"
[15:57] <elysion> ...and would have probably been a good idea for me to check the facts before blindly upgrading
[15:58] <Fanfare> :-) check what u install on your system!
[16:01] <elysion> Fanfare: nah, just go windows-style :P
[16:04] <erghezi> i upgrade to kde 4.4 . after restart, not i dont have desktop
[16:05] <erghezi> some packages like kubuntu-desktop is blocked
[16:05] <ilumi> sucks for you
[16:09] <elysion> Fanfare: yay, by removing staging and re-upgrading I got 4.3 working :)
[16:09] <elysion> thanks for the tip!
[16:11] <ilumi> erghezi: do sudo apt-get remove kde
[16:11] <ilumi> erghezi: reboot, then sudo apt-get install kde
[16:12] <Fanfare> "DON'T USE"
[16:13] <erghezi> ilumi: ok
[16:14] <erghezi> ilumi: Package kde is not installed, so not removed
[16:14] <ilumi> ok try instal kde
[16:15] <erghezi> ilumi: Package kde is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[16:15] <kaddi> if I never use samba and don't share files with windows machines over network, can I just uninstall it? What would be the best way to remove it?
[16:16] <erghezi> kaddi: the best way is compile new kernel and disable it:D
[16:16] <llutz> kaddi: sudo aptitude purge samba
[16:17] <ilumi> remove purge
[16:17] <llutz> only "purge"
[16:17] <ilumi> why?
[16:17] <llutz> remove purge is senseless, purge includes remove
[16:19] <kaddi> llutz: i removed the samba package but most packages like samba-common and so on remain installed
[16:19] <llutz> kaddi: aptitude why samba-common
[16:20] <kaddi> return smbclient installed
[16:20] <ilumi> erghezi: try sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[16:20] <erghezi> ilumi: this package is blocked!
[16:20] <kaddi> !puregnome
[16:20] <erghezi> ilumi:   dont install already!
[16:21] <ilumi> erghezi: yeah but the old one might be still installed
[16:21] <erghezi> ilumi: hmm , so let's me check it
[16:22] <kaddi> llutz: sorry, forgot the name: It returns smbclient as installed. the description says command line SMB/CIFS client for unix. I don't suppose I need that if I don't use samba-shares? (i have no clue how that actually got onto my system)
[16:22] <llutz> kaddi: try "sudo aptitude purge smbclient smbfs -s" and look what else would be removed   -s = simulate
[16:24] <kaddi> llutz: apparently kubuntu-desktop depends on smbclient... I might not want to uninstall it then :p
[16:24] <llutz> it's just a meta-package
[16:25] <kaddi> so removing it would have no effects?
[16:25] <llutz> kaddi: not really
[16:25] <kaddi> one sec
[16:26] <llutz> kaddi: just watch what is goimg to be removed and stop if in doubt
[16:26] <kaddi> llutz: i don't totally understand what the output is telling me, switching the language and gonna post you the output.
[16:27] <llutz> kaddi: try "LANG=C sudo aptitude purge smbclient smbfs -s"
[16:27] <kaddi> yes
[16:27] <kaddi> http://pastebin.com/d6eb9588b
[16:28] <kaddi> llutz: I just wanna be sure that kubuntu-desktop is all that is getting broken. :)
[16:28] <llutz> kaddi: so it just removes smbclient and the meta-package
[16:28] <BiosElement> kaddi: It looks fine to me.
[16:28] <llutz> kubuntu-desktop:
[16:28] <llutz>   Installed: (none)
[16:29] <kaddi> k, great :) thanks
[16:29] <llutz> kaddi: ^^ did it too :)
[16:29] <llutz> but apparently kde still works fine here
[16:30] <kaddi> lol, great. -.- now aptitude why samba-common returns wine and winbind. It didn't show them earlier
[16:35] <llutz> kaddi: that's why you always should use minimal-cd and install what you really need instead of trying to strip down a (bloated) live-cd-install
[16:36] <kaddi> llutz: I need and use wine frequently, I don't think it actually comes preinstalled... so I guess samba has to stay for now :s
[16:41] <bo7amny> iam new to kde , i have kubuntu 9.10 and every time i start my laptop the wallet program stat up (even when i unstall it ) , how can i control start up applications ?
[16:43] <BiosElement> bo7amny: If you removed the wallet package...it wouldn't startup. But you probably want to keep it for wifi/website passwords. Autostart is System Settings / Advanced / Autostart but you probably won't find wallet there.
[16:44] <bo7amny> thank u very much
[16:50] <giLL0r> another (insecure, not recommended) resolution: set wallet pass to nothing. it will open w/o asking for the password
[16:52] <BiosElement> True. Worth noting though that for a laptop, it's a very very bad idea as if anyone steals your laptop, they'll have all your passwords
[16:53] <giLL0r> True. Worth noting though that one should encrypt at least /home for a laptop, just in case it gets lost. ;)
[16:56] <sravan_> Suppose if my friend's comp  is connected to my comp through  blue tooth or WiFi or some mechanism , How can I know the IP or MAC adress of HIS ( my friend's ) comp ???
[17:05] <ilumi> sravan_: netstat might show the connection
[17:05] <ilumi> and ip
[17:05] <ilumi> actually im pretty sure it will
[17:07] <faLUCE> (9.10) hi. I want to add a timer in the grub menu when booting. I don't find men.lst anymore. what should I modify?
[17:07] <ma> sorry,,the name of the italian channel ?
[17:07] <ilumi> !it
[17:15] <ilumi> faLUCE: not sure about the timeout, but you can get into menu by pressing shift right when grub loads
[17:18] <genii> faLUCE: GRUB_TIMEOUT=      line in /etc/default/grub   ... then run the sudo update-grub
[17:18] <faLUCE> sorry, I'm using xubuntu
[17:19] <genii> faLUCE: That method is desktop-agnostic
[17:20] <faLUCE> then... I dunno: I don't have /etc/default/grub
[17:24] <OxDeadC0de> faLUCE: do you have /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[17:25] <OxDeadC0de> faLUCE: or /usr/etc/grub.d/00_header
[17:27] <OxDeadC0de> in 00_header I have:set timeout=${GRUB_TIMEOUT}  (Which sets it to 5 when the grub.cfg is generated, ie: kernel upgrade etc)
[17:31] <leo> hi, i am doing a security copy but i can not copy some windows ntfs files, some help?
[17:32] <ilumi> cdwhats a security copy?
[17:33] <leo> sorry i don't understand cdwhats
[17:33] <ilumi> what's
[17:33] <leo> that's a simply copy
[17:34] <leo> from a hard drive to another one
[17:35] <ilumi> whats the problem?
[17:35] <leo> i have problems with the windows folder
[17:35] <ilumi> you get errors or what?
[17:36] <leo> when i moun the unit sda, and i am in 70 % I have problems
[17:36] <leo> sometimes appear  retry retry all etc..
[17:37] <leo> what is the best way to do a copy of a windows hard drive
[17:37] <ilumi> so it copies it 70% and then it stops?
[17:37] <anto_to> hello
[17:37] <leo> sometimes
[17:37] <ilumi> supsup
[17:37] <anto_to> how for kubuntu help in italian?
[17:38] <ilumi> are you copying a folder with files and folders in it?, are you using a command line? what command?
[17:38] <ilumi> !it
[17:39] <leo> then i retry but i have problems i have to merge and then i have another time the same problem
[17:39] <leo> i am using nautilus
[17:39] <shadeslayer> aperson: ping
[17:40] <aperson> shadeslayer, yessir?
[17:40] <ilumi> leo: try using a command
[17:41] <shadeslayer> aperson: i fixed the thing with the crashy desktop :P
[17:41] <aperson> shadeslayer, howso?
[17:42] <shadeslayer> aperson: i forgot to recompile my smooth tasks plasmoid,due to which the desktop kept crashing... i just read the bug report
[17:42] <ilumi> leo: cp -R /home/hope/files/* /home/hope/backup
[17:42] <ilumi> leo: change path to whatever you need
[17:42] <ilumi> leo: paths
[17:43] <ilumi> leo: there isnt any progress indication, so if copying lots of files it might apperar to be stuck
[17:43] <ilumi> appear
[17:44] <ilumi> and -R is for copying folders including folders and files within that folder
[17:44] <ilumi> youdont need it for copying single files
[17:44] <|apriori|> hi all
[17:44] <ilumi> sup sup
[17:44] <|apriori|> I got a problem with using debugging symbols to debug an application
[17:45] <|apriori|> apparently the suplied debug symbols are incorrect.. in the output of gdb there is the following shown, which doesnt make any sense:
[17:45] <shadeslayer> aperson: also from the kubuntu-devel ML :
[17:45] <|apriori|> 0x00007ffff1faf48c in RubberBand::RubberBandStretcher::Impl::study (this=0xeba330, input=0x1d3f160, samples=16293, final=<value optimized out>) at src/StretcherImpl.cpp:782
[17:45] <shadeslayer> I found that Fancy Tasks, STasks and Smooth Tasks can and will crash plasma
[17:45] <|apriori|> 782     src/StretcherImpl.cpp: No such file or directory.
[17:45] <shadeslayer> workspace.
[17:45] <|apriori|>         in src/StretcherImpl.cpp
[17:46] <ilumi> |apriori|: i think you need to have dev libs installed for all the apps involved in the crash to get good debug info
[17:46] <|apriori|> I know.. but the problem is this specific error: "src/StrecherImpl.cpp" no such file or directory.
[17:47] <|apriori|> in other words.. it doesnt find the respective source file in the debugging symbols
[17:48] <cm> hi everybody how can i install songbird to my kubuntu
[17:48] <ilumi> |apriori|: it's looking in the wrong dir i guess
[17:49] <|apriori|> ilumi: actually gdb should be able to find it right away.. but it doesnt.
[17:49] <cm> is there anybody wants to help mi
[17:49] <cm> me
[17:49] <|apriori|> ilumi: and usually.. you dont need to have the sources installed, too..
[17:49] <ilumi> cm: check repos,  aptitude search songbird
[17:49] <|apriori|> only dev, dbgsym and the actual library
[17:50] <ilumi> |apriori|: dont know
[17:50] <Phoenix_the_II> ok, i've got pulseaudio installed along with alsa, but i have like multiple sound cards in my system. and each time a new program opens i need to change it's output stream to the correct sound card
[17:50] <genii> cm: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Songbird
[17:50] <Phoenix_the_II> is there a way to default this to the correct card?
[17:51] <cm> i looked at them but i want to install latest version
[17:51] <ilumi> cm: what version is in the repo?
[17:51] <cm> 1.2, 1.4
[17:52] <cm> but latest 2.0
[17:52] <ilumi> cm you can do sudo apt-get build-dep songbird
[17:53] <ilumi> cm: and then just compile the new version, if they have source
[17:53] <genii> ilumi: They don't
[17:53] <ilumi> cm: if not then just install the bin or whatever they have
[17:54] <genii> cm: The link I gave you already shows how to install the latest with the script they provide
[17:54] <cm> http://www.getdeb.net/app/Songbird
[17:54] <ilumi> the latest version on their site is 1.4.3
[17:54] <cm> yes my mistake
[17:55] <cm> here 1.4 have deb package
[17:55] <cm> http://www.getdeb.net/app/Songbird
[17:55] <cm> but
[17:55] <FloodBotK3> cm: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:55] <cm> i cannot install that
[17:55] <|apriori|> ilumi: solution, although not quite satisfactory: use command "directory" to point to the root dir of the respective sources. usually not needed, but apparently its the only solution here
[17:58] <ilumi> cm: all you have to do is download , unizip and execute
[17:58] <ilumi> cm: ./songbird
[17:58] <cm> i cannot dl
[17:58] <ilumi> cm: ?
[17:58] <cm> firefox says
[17:59] <cm> i don't know what type of link is this
[17:59] <cm> http://www.getdeb.net/install/songbird
[17:59] <cm> this is the link
[17:59] <ilumi> cm: download from the official website
[17:59] <cm> it tries to communicate with apt
[17:59] <cm> but it doesnt work
[18:00] <ilumi> i just got it and im running it
[18:00] <cm> in official site
[18:00] <ilumi> it's too easy
[18:00] <cm> there is
[18:00] <cm> ne
[18:00] <cm> no
[18:00] <cm> deb package
[18:00] <FloodBotK3> cm: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:00] <ilumi> http://getsongbird.com/
[18:00] <ilumi> you dont need a deb package
[18:00] <cm> i tried it
[18:00] <ilumi> and?
[18:02] <cm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/355625/
[18:03] <cm> ilumi i paste the result
[18:04] <ilumi> cm: ok so get it from repo, you said they have 1.4
[18:05] <cm> not in repo
[18:05] <cm> http://www.getdeb.net/install/songbird
[18:05] <cm> in here
[18:07] <cm> but i cannot dl from here firefox says : i don't how to open this link. i think this site tries to communicate with apt but it doesnt work with firefox nor konqueror
[18:08] <genii> So save it then use dpkg -i on it
[18:08] <ilumi> cm: hold on
[18:09] <cm> i found
[18:10] <cm> thanks for your help ilumi the link is http://skyzim.com/wp-content/plugins/download-monitor/download.php?id=8 if you want to download too
[18:11] <ilumi> cm: try from command apt-get install link
[18:12] <ilumi> cm: or sudo apt-get install http://www.getdeb.net/install/songbird
[18:14] <ilumi> cm: or if you already downloaded, sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[18:14] <cm> i install and dl but no chance it gives gstreamer error
[18:15] <ilumi> maybe you dont have gstreamer installed
[18:15] <cm> i am searching
[18:15] <cm> but dep package says you have all dependencies
[18:16] <cm> and install with no error
[18:16] <ilumi> it might not be a dependency
[18:16] <ilumi> or just do sudo apt-get install gstreamer
[18:17] <ilumi> and see what you get
[18:18] <ye> hai
[18:18] <ilumi> hai
[18:19] <genii> "lib64" indicates it wants 64 bit stuff. Does: uname -m     report i686 or x86_64 ?
[18:19] <ye> anybody can help me for chinese input ubunty 9.10
[18:19] <ye> anybody can help me for chinese input ubuntu 9.10
[18:20] <ye> where can download it? i am new user. TQ ^.^
[18:22] <cm> cm@scorpid:~/İndirilenler$ uname -m
[18:22] <cm> x86_64
[18:22] <cm> genii
[18:24] <genii> cm: OK so lib64 is correct
[18:25] <jorgen> hi
[18:26] <jorgen> does anyone know a decent audio cd -> mp3 ripper for 9.10 ?
[18:27] <cm> i worked it last
[18:27] <cm> simply 64bit version doesn't work
[18:27] <cm> you must use 32bit
[18:30] <erghezi> i cant access to tty (Alt+Ctrl+F1-F6)
[18:31] <jkaze> hi, I am trying to install Amarok 2.2.2 but I can't see it in the KPackageKit?!
[18:31] <ilumi> jkaze: prob not there
[18:34] <greyfox_> @jkaze Did you add the ppa repository for the new Amarok?
[18:34] <jkaze> yes
[18:35] <greyfox_> Then all you should need to do is a system update
[18:35] <jkaze> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports thats what the news page said
[18:35] <erghezi> i see black screen with blicker cursor in tty
[18:36] <jkaze> It seem I'll go and download the source!
[18:36] <jkaze> thank you guys
[18:36] <greyfox_> sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade should install amarok for you
[18:37] <jkaze> I'll try that, thanks a lot
[18:38] <greyfox_> erghezi are you using the livecd?  Ive had troubles with 9.10 not having tty with the live cds
[18:38] <genii> erghezi: Might try in Konsole: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup                  what TTY to use is the 9th or 10th setting there, after keyboard,language, etc setups
[18:39] <erghezi> genii: i am in kubuntu 9.10
[18:39] <genii> (default should be /dev/tty[1-6]   )
[18:40] <genii> erghezi: the console-setup works in all versions
[18:43] <erghezi> genii: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-17-generic
[18:43] <erghezi> genii: my kernel is 2.6.32.2
[18:45] <genii> erghezi: Probably iterating it for all your kernels
[18:45] <greyfox_> erghezi: 2.6.32 is 10.04 you using the beta?
[18:46] <erghezi> genii: i compile it handy
[18:47] <genii> erghezi: Thats why then
[18:49] <erghezi> genii: until last night , tty was well
[18:54] <ilumi> whats tty used for?
[18:56] <greyfox_> ilumi: Its a command prompt
[18:56] <genii> ilumi: X is usually only running on one TTY, the others normally wait there for a text login. They are handy to use for fixing X, also some prefer them to the graphical text console
[18:57] <ilumi> so hows tty different from xterm and such?
[18:57] <genii> ilumi:  xterm  is just an X interface to one
[18:58] <ilumi> so tty is the main terminal like dos?
[18:58] <genii> ilumi: You don't need any kind of graphical desktop to use a command-line console
[18:58] <genii> ilumi: Basically
[18:58] <ilumi> ok, thanks
[18:58] <genii> ilumi: Although because linux is a true multitasking system, there are 6
[18:59] <genii> (7 if you count the one X runs on)
[18:59] <greyfox_> actually they are 63 if you look in your /dev
[18:59] <ilumi> yeah but is sucks because when x hangs you cant switch to them
[19:00] <greyfox_> depends on the hang
[19:00] <greyfox_> if you have another computer and have ssh installed on the computer hanging sometimes you can still get in
[19:00] <rethus> hava a clean kubuntu installation
[19:00] <ilumi> yeah sometimes you can switch but blindly
[19:00] <rethus> now i want to add firefox and choose firefox 3.5
[19:01] <ilumi> when in gui how to switch to it?
[19:01] <rethus> but there are many dependencys, or did i choose a wrong firefox package?
[19:01] <rethus> one dependency is gnome-mount
[19:01] <greyfox_> rethus: firefox is a GTK application and there are a bunch of programs that KDE doesnt come with needed to run it
[19:01] <rethus> thats a bit strange ?!
[19:02] <rethus> so this is all right?
[19:02] <genii> rethus: It's normal, yes
[19:02] <ilumi> rethus: you can just downlad and run as user, no need to install
[19:02] <rethus> gnome-icon-theme and so on
[19:02] <greyfox_> ilumi: ctrl + alt + [F1-F6]
[19:02] <greyfox_> rethus: yeah should be fine
[19:02] <rethus> k.
[19:02] <rethus> have change today from suse 11.2 to kubuntu
[19:03] <rethus> nwow configur my system
[19:03] <ilumi> greyfox_: cool
[19:04] <greyfox_> rethus: Nice to have you as a part of the Kubuntu community!
[19:04] <rethus> thanx
[19:05] <ilumi> rethus: lol , you used ms suse
[19:05] <greyfox_> rethus: Having any other problems?
[19:05] <ilumi> rethus: hows that microsoft os worked for you?
[19:06] <rethus> now i have migrate my mails (seems to work). I search for a way to get a overview of all my used programms under suse, which i often use
[19:06] <greyfox_> ive tried suse before works fine and has a large company and community backing it up
[19:06] <rethus> like eclipse, knoda and so on.
[19:06] <ilumi> greyfox_: and it's owned by microsoft :P
[19:07] <greyfox_> tehtus: you can pin your most used programs to the start menu
[19:07] <greyfox_> rethus:*
[19:09] <greyfox_> Also since you are using KDE4 you can make a shortcut easily anywhere desktop taskbar etc...
[19:09] <rethus> greyfox... i mean not to handle it if installed... i mean now for megrating to know which programms i had on my old partition.
[19:09] <greyfox_> ahh
[19:09] <rethus> greyfox: thanks, i'm familar with kde work many Years with it
[19:10] <greyfox_> rethus: your looking for an automated way to install all the programs you used to have then?
[19:10] <rethus> greyfox: no only a eyecandy overview to see whcih important programms i have to install
[19:12] <rethus> what was the imap ssl-port ?
[19:12] <rethus> 993 odr 939
[19:12] <greyfox_> i think 993
[19:15] <greyfox_> rethus: So why the switch from Suse?
[19:17] <rethus> greyfox: i realy like fast config via yast... and suse is not bad (hey its linux ;) but i switch, cause ubuntu has a better updating-strategy, and ubuntu base on debian
[19:18] <ilumi> and its not owned by microsoft
[19:19] <greyfox_> Ive tried suse and others before and always reverted back to Kubuntu because of the package manager/deb packages
[19:20] <ilumi> yeah the package manager is very nice
[19:20] <greyfox_> I just wish Kubuntu would get as much attention as Ubuntu does.  It seems like we get kicked to the side everytime they some up with something new.  Then it takes a couple of releases for Kubuntu versions of Ubuntu made softwware to come out
[19:21] <McHavok> hello.
[19:21] <greyfox_> Hello
[19:21] <McHavok> I have a problem with KpackageKit
[19:21] <ilumi> it could, if the devs polished it out and make it faster
[19:21] <greyfox_> Whats the trouble?
[19:22] <McHavok> I'm opening paste page to copy it.
[19:22] <McHavok> http://paste.ubuntu.com/355652/
[19:23] <ilumi> try sudo apt-get -f install
[19:23] <greyfox_> yeah open konsole and see what that tells you
[19:24] <McHavok> Is there a way to fix it?
[19:24] <rethus> greyfox_: can u tell me what shiretoko for a firefox-folk is?
[19:24] <greyfox_> What version are you running? 9.10?
[19:25] <rethus> 9.04
[19:25] <McHavok> greyfox_?
[19:25] <ilumi> McHavok: try sudo apt-get -f install
[19:27] <greyfox_> rethus: shiretoko is just a Alpha for the new firefox
[19:27] <rethus> ah, ok, but why is it installed. i only have choose firefox 3.5
[19:28] <gorn> hello together.. i merged transcode (kubuntu 9.10) but there is no avimerge.. is avi merge out?
[19:29] <greyfox_> rethus: where do you see that its installed? is it a package?
[19:29] <rethus> kmenu > search
[19:30] <rethus> i have choosed in kpackageKit only firefox 3.5 + nobinonly-0ubuntu
[19:30] <rethus> but now there are 6 firefox-packages installed
[19:30] <greyfox_> hmm ive only got regular firefox installed
[19:31] <rethus> but where can i get it
[19:32] <Bios> hey my k3b is not working
[19:32] <greyfox_> firefox has source packages available let me look around a bit
[19:32] <Bios> i get the problem Unable to open new session
[19:32] <Bios> I m in the user group "burning" and "fuse"
[19:32] <Bios> i also tried to run k3b with sudo ... but still no success
[19:33] <rethus> greyfox_ have add the package firefox-webdeveloper too, but see no webdeveloper-plugin
[19:33] <rethus> strange
[19:34] <iconmefisto> I'm trying to set pulseaudio default sink in /etc/pulse/default.pa but it does not work on boot. I think it's because the default I want is on the local network, which does not connect until several seconds after login and wireless connection is active, so the default sink I want is not present when /etc/pulse/default.pa runs. Any ideas how I can get around this?
[19:45] <genii> iconmefisto: Pulseaudio has a CLI ( reference page for it here: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/CLI ), one of it's commands includes set-default-sink . Conceivably you could do a post-up directive for wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:48] <iconmefisto> genii: post-up directive? what would that look like?
[19:51] <iconmefisto> genii: the pulseaudio cli command works when network is up, but I have no idea how to script the command in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:55] <genii> iconmefisto: Under the main wlan0 stanza, in this case something like: post-up /usr/bin/pulseaudio set-default-sink  whatever
[19:56] <genii> Apologies on lag, work, this is why I am for most part /away
[19:56] <genii> iconmefisto: man interfaces         also gives several examples of usage
[19:57] <iconmefisto> genii: ok, so just a line starting with "post-up" and following that, whatever command I want to be executed
[19:57] <genii> iconmefisto: Basically, yes
[19:57] <iconmefisto> thanks genii, seems like just what I need
[20:01] <rethus> try to upgrade 9.04 to 9.10. got the message: if repository (Universe) not activated, some Packages would be deletet... like acl, gcc-4.3 and so on. How can i chack if this repo is activatet?
[20:03] <rossem> rethus,are you using sinaptic?
[20:03] <iconmefisto> rethus: alt-F2 and type: kdesudo software-properties-kde   then make sure universe is ticked
[20:03] <rethus> kpackagekit
[20:04] <iconmefisto> rethus: or in kpackagekit, settings, edit software sources (to get to the same dialog)
[20:05] <rethus> iconmefisto: thanx. now i start my upgrade :D
[20:29] <phoenixz> When will Kubuntu9.10 have a fix for the @W#$*(@#* intel driver? Right now I am on an older version of the intel driver, it works at least a little faster, but now I have crashes every 30 minutes..
[20:30] <phoenixz> Maybe a bit if a dumb question here but.. If Linux wants to conquer the desktop, how come that in 2010 there still is not a normal working intel graphics driver?
[20:31] <phoenixz> And anyway, GUI still heller slow.. be it a 1000% faster than intel's "latest and greatest", its still slow..
[20:31] <newbie123abc> hi all
[20:31] <phoenixz> newbie123abc: hi too
[20:31] <newbie123abc> how can i put on kmix to control HDMI output?
[20:32] <newbie123abc> phoenixz: ^
[20:32] <phoenixz> newbie123abc: that I do not know, sorry
[20:32] <newbie123abc> someone plz
[20:32] <phoenixz> newbie123abc: patience please
[20:33] <phoenixz> newbie123abc: We're all volounteers.. People will help you if they see you and if they know the answer..
[20:33] <FreeNslaved> Hals audio broadcast just began on channel 12 over at Http://www.BoldVoices.TV if anyone wants to listen in on
[20:34] <monbazin> hello
[20:34] <happy_> hi
[20:35] <markus_> moin
[20:36] <markus_> when I try to install kdelibs-dev I get dependencies errors.
[20:36] <markus_> kdelibs5-dev: Hängt ab: kdelibs5 (= 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu7.2) aber 4:4.3.3-0ubuntu1~ppa1 soll installiert werden
[20:36] <markus_> Hängt ab: libplasma3 (= 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu7.2) aber 4:4.3.3-0ubuntu1~ppa1 soll installiert werden
[20:36] <markus_> what can I do here?
[20:38] <ikonia> markus_: chat
[20:38] <ikonia> markus_: sorry, didn't see the rest of your question
[20:38] <ikonia> markus_: what version of kubuntu are you using, do you have any ppa's enabled ?
[20:38] <markus_> 9.10
[20:39] <markus_> yes, have the backports enabled
[20:40] <ikonia> markus_: 4:4.3.3-0ubuntu1~ppa1 suggests you have another PPA enabled
[20:40] <jmcantrell> anyone know if there's a way to set the desktop background image from the command line or a python script?
[20:44] <bodom> hi there, i got a firewall issue.
[20:44] <bodom> basically, I want to filter packets depending on ther gateway, but I can't figure how to
[20:47] <ikonia> bodom: which firewall software are you using
[20:47] <bodom> ikonia: iptables/netfilter? What else?
[20:48] <ikonia> bodom: try #netfilter and #iptables then, they have solid guys in there
[20:49] <bodom> ikonia: I'll try ty
[20:51] <jhunold> Any tips why device notifier stopped showing usb devices ? And fat partitions start to mount automagically ?
[20:53] <iconmefisto> jhunold: you may have an updated device notifier with new options. right-click the icon, device notifier settings and see what's there
[20:55] <inteliwasp> how can i reset the mistakes i made in nvidia-settings from the console?
[21:03] <jhunold> yes, i checked those via system settings. the strange thing is that my vfat partition gets mounted and nothing shows up in device notifier nor gets mounted.
[21:34] <ilumi> maybe it's not fat?
[21:53] <ilumi> wow, no one is having problems, amazing
[21:55] <iconmefisto> this channel is just too effective
[21:59] <jce0694> how would i know if the drivers are installed for my graphics card?
[22:03] <genii> iconmefisto: Did you get your pulseaudio sink situation sorted out?
[22:04] <fujimitsu> jce0694: look in kickoff>applications>system>hardware drivers
[22:05] <iconmefisto> genii: I did, but not with /etc/network/interfaces. my wireless interface isn't in there, and couldn't figure out why or how it is configured, so I just added an autostart script in systemsettings to do the command I need after "sleep 30"
[22:08] <greyfox_> iconmefisto: to check if hardware acceleration is working run glxgears (you might need to install mesa-utils)
[22:09] <iconmefisto> greyfox_: was that meant for someone else?
[22:09] <greyfox_> iconmefisto: if hardware acceleration is not working your cpu will max out
[22:09] <greyfox_> yeah sorry
[22:09] <greyfox_> meant: jce0694
[22:11] <jce0694> that's what's strange though... i've been to that menu and the only window that comes up when i click on hardware drivers is my broadom STA wireless drivers (says activated and currently in use) but says nothing about all the other drivers on my laptop... strange
[22:11] <greyfox_> jce0694: try running glxgears and see what you get for fps
[22:12] <smellynoser> Hi, my processor is 2ghz, but it's running at 1200mhz. Is that normal for a desktop PC?
[22:12] <greyfox_> smellynoser: what kind of processor do you have?
[22:12] <eeos> is it possible to set vlc as the application that is called to open dvds instead of dragon player?
[22:12] <greyfox_> smellynoser: lots of newer CPUs reduce their speed when not being used to save power/heat
[22:13] <smellynoser> greyfox_: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU        E1400  @ 2.00GHz
[22:13] <smellynoser> greyfox_: Is that not an OS setting? Can I not turn it off?
[22:13] <iconmefisto> jce0694: what does jockey-text -C say?
[22:14] <fujimitsu> jce0694: some intel integrated graphics drivers wont show up in hardware drivers list..
[22:14] <greyfox_> smellynoser: when you use an application that needs the speed it automatically throttles up to full speed you shouldn't need to turn it off
[22:14] <jce0694> greyfox_: i ran glxgears but it doesn't say what the fps is... how do i find out the fps?
[22:14] <greyfox_> jce0694: sorry run it from konsole it outputs fps there
[22:15] <devilsadvocate> smellynoser, if you want to disable cpu scaling you need to set your power profile to "performance"
[22:16] <smellynoser> devilsadvocate: Thanks :)
[22:16] <smellynoser> greyfox_: Thanks :)
[22:16] <devilsadvocate> smellynoser, it should'nt be necessary to do that, though, unless you really think you have speed issues. for the most part cpu clocks just get wasted as heat
[22:16] <jce0694> greyfox_: i ran from konsole but still no fps.. is it supposed to shop in the actual windows w/ the gears spinning?
[22:16] <jce0694> oh... i see it now
[22:16] <greyfox_> jce0694 : whats the fps?
[22:17]  * Idzme tweets: testing from irc client
[22:17] <jce0694> greyfox_: wait...i  see it in the konsole, took a bit... says 28.5 when i make it full screen
[22:17] <markus_> I removed all repos I added by hand and did apt-get update and then upgrade. But I still get the same error. Is it possible to downgrade packages like this?
[22:18] <greyfox_> jce0694 : if the gears spin smoothly and have a high FPS then you have hardware acceleration and your drivers are working.  If they are choppy you are using your CPU to render them
[22:18]  * Idzme tweets: great this works fine, tweeting from #Xchat now ;-)
[22:18] <greyfox_> jce0694 : just leave it at the normal size
[22:18] <jce0694> greyfox_: is 28.5 a decent frame rate... seems really slow for such a simple animation
[22:19] <jce0694> greyfox_: it's like 302 fps when i leave in small window  what do u think... are the drivers for my gfx card installed?
[22:20] <greyfox_> 28 is kinda slow i get 500+ on full screen with an ATI x1300
[22:20] <phoenixz> When will kubuntu have a GOOD working intel GFX driver? Its really not nice to be running the latest and best OS in the world only to find that its at crawling speed due to a crapped up Intel graphics driver..  We're in 2010 now, can this really be happening?
[22:20] <greyfox_> jce0694 : what kinf of gfx card do you have?
[22:21] <tomas_> :)
[22:22] <jce0694> is there a quick way to find out... i know it's not an onboard gfx card though... i will have to log out and into windows xp to find out unless u know a way i can see this in kubuntu
[22:22] <iconmefisto> what does glxinfo | grep direct   say?
[22:22] <greyfox_> jce0694 : in konsole run "lspci | grep VGA" (no quotes)
[22:23] <greyfox_> jce0694 : thats a vertical bar not a L or i
[22:23] <jce0694> RS690M Radeon X1200 series
[22:24] <ekiflay> anyone with vmware's mks knowledge?
[22:24] <greyfox_> i have a x1300 and i get 6000+ fps with normal sized glxgears your driver is not working
[22:24] <iconmefisto> jce0694: if you do: glxinfo | grep direct   does it give you "direct rendering: Yes" ?
[22:25] <fujimitsu> i bet he doesnt have the ati driver installed
[22:25] <greyfox_> x1200 should be open source drive anyways
[22:25] <greyfox_> strange that its not working.  What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[22:25] <jce0694> iconmefisto: it says direct rendering is enabled
[22:26] <greyfox_> then your driver is working
[22:26] <jce0694> i also have some slight artifacting problems when i try and enable desktop effects from the KDE control module
[22:29] <jce0694> greyfox_: but why such a slow frame rate?  how come some people with an X1300 get much faster fps on gxgears
[22:29] <greyfox_> mine is a dedicated card yours being integrated might be much slower
[22:29] <greyfox_> plus yours most likely uses your RAM for gfx memory instead of having its own faster gfx ram
[22:30] <jce0694> greyfox_: i'm using 9.04...i would upgrade to 9.10 but i heard every upgrade runs risk of problems so i'm trying to upgrade at least every other new version that comes out
[22:30] <greyfox_> good plan to wait for 10.04 since its a LTS version
[22:31] <jce0694> greyfox_: the x1200 is a seperate hardware device i believe (not onboard gfx)
[22:32] <Daughain> greyfox_: If the X1200 is on a laptop, it is integrated, I have one as well.
[22:33] <jce0694> can i get a few others to chime in here?  what fps do you get when you run glxgears in FULL SCREEN?
[22:34] <iconmefisto> jce0694: 530 frames in 5.0 seconds, I have X1200 too
[22:35] <jce0694> so apparently i don't have the drivers installed i guess... can i just go to the radeon website and download them?
[22:36] <markus_> ikonia: I removed all repos I added by hand and did apt-get update and then upgrade. But I still get the same error. Is it possible to downgrade packages like this?
[22:39] <fujimitsu> what the make of your laptop, jce0694
[22:41] <ilumi> jce0694: 237fps full screen
[22:44] <snarkster> wondering if anyone has tried to access the motorola Q from kubunut
[22:44] <snarkster> kubunutu
[22:44] <snarkster> I have it connected to my laptop via usb and it doesnt show up in device screen
[22:46] <iconmefisto> snarkster: if it has a memory card and that is what you expect to see in device notifier, check phone USB settings
[22:47] <snarkster> ok
[22:48] <iconmefisto> snarkster: my motorola is set to "Default Connection: Memory Card"
[22:49] <fujimitsu> snarkster: kubuntu .. valiant effort there..
[22:49] <ekiflay> snaker install moto4lin
[22:49] <ekiflay> that will enable you to connect to your motorola phone
[22:50] <iconmefisto> ekiflay: have you ever used moto4lin? it doesn't always work for all phone models
[22:51] <ekiflay> yes
[22:51] <snarkster> ekiflay thank you
[22:51] <rethus> does the 64bit version support same software like the 32bit software for kubuntu?
[22:51] <ekiflay> all you need is to set the device type
[22:51] <ekiflay> for the two modes
[22:52] <ekiflay> you wellcome snarkster
[22:52] <Daughain> rethus: I havent run across anything it doesnt support.
[22:53] <rethus> daughain: i didn't understand.
[22:54] <rethus> can u explain your answer?
[22:55] <rethus> or spell it in other way
[22:55] <Daughain> rethus:  I run 64 bit ubuntu, and kave not found anything 32 bit supports that 64 doesnt.
[22:57] <dimas> hi
[22:58] <dimas> who know what i shoud to turno on the button of wireles
[22:58] <dimas> ?
[23:00] <iconmefisto> what button?
[23:01] <rethus> what is with java, flashplayer or skype?
[23:01] <rethus> daughain
[23:02] <rethus> is it usable to install xubuntu 9.10 and switch than to kubuntu, or better download whole kubuntu 9.10 and install it direktly
[23:02] <rethus> ?
[23:02] <jce0694> sorry i was afk... it's a dell d631
[23:03] <iconmefisto> rethus: you can install kubuntu-desktop and have both xfce and kde
[23:04] <iconmefisto> rethus: but I guess it's tidier to reinstall with kubuntu CD if you're sure you want kubuntu and not xubuntu
[23:05] <rethus> i have a xubuntu cd here on my table, but have to download kubuntu
[23:05] <rethus> so is it better to download kubuntu or should i install xubuntu and switch than to kubuntu?
[23:06] <rethus> cause i have only 3mbit DSL
[23:06] <rethus> need 30 Mintutes to download kubuntu-cd
[23:06] <Guest96437> hey all. I have a question and I'm not exactly sure where I should ask this. It has to do with a Mono project created in MonoDevelop which errors when I try and create a deb using debuild
[23:11] <zintus> kubuntu 9.10 etc
[23:12] <zintus> no one?
[23:15] <zintus> tried different xorg.conf varinats and xbindkeys
[23:15] <zintus> x server didn't even started with xbindkeys -_-
[23:16] <ilumi> zintus: many links on google for configuring that mouse
[23:17] <zintus> tried sections to xorg and xbindkeys
[23:17] <zintus> no one worked
[23:18] <zintus>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf is right config to edit?
[23:19] <ilumi> zintus: some info here http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Karmic
[23:19] <ilumi> zintus: search for MX510
[23:20] <ilumi> i mean 518
[23:20] <zintus> first i have no section "InputDevice" at all
[23:20] <zintus> is it ok?
[23:21] <ilumi> make it
[23:21] <genii> zintus: Add whatever sections you need, just make sure they are complete
[23:21] <zintus> ok, will try it
[23:21] <zintus> thx for help ^_^
[23:23] <zintus> next question: why my X server didn't woke up after adding xbindkeys to autostart ?
[23:24] <ilumi> try restart
[23:24] <zintus> tried two or three times
[23:24] <zintus> black screen in place of cool kde icons appreaing
[23:24] <zintus> and stuck keyboard in rescue mode
[23:25] <zintus> removed only with "single" option to normal mode
[23:25] <zintus> i have no idea about it purpose)
[23:27] <ilumi> zintus: there are more advanced configs for that mouse, but dont know if they will work for ubuntu, you have to try and test
[23:30] <zintus> ok, will do
[23:30] <zintus> and how X server worked without mouse section at all?
[23:31] <iconmefisto> it should work with no xorg.conf
[23:32] <zintus> and how it does?
[23:33] <iconmefisto> zintus: X autoconfigures itself these days
[23:33] <zintus> why then it hangs if xorg.conf is corrupted?
[23:33] <iconmefisto> but you can still make your own xorg.conf and it should override those settings
[23:36] <iconmefisto> zintus: so X does not start?
[23:39] <zintus> started after xbindkeys removal
[23:39] <zintus> i have instructions now and config for my mouse, will try)
[23:39] <zintus> thx for help again)