[00:19]  * genii makes more coffee
[00:22]  * bjsnider drinks about 6 cups of it
[00:22] <bjsnider> and is still drowsy
[00:26] <genii> bjsnider: I empathise
[00:30] <genii> Hm. I have no battery, apparently. But yet the machine continues to work
[01:13] <maxb> Anyone else encountering a lockup on a black screen when booting?
[01:14] <maxb> The only thing that I can think of that's changed recently is plymouth was installed
[01:21] <maxb> Hmm. Not plymouth. mesa perhaps?
[01:22] <crimsun> I boot with nosplash, enter my cryptsetup passphrase blindly, and continue
[01:22] <yofel> I never use splash
[01:22] <yofel> but mesa was pretty broken, the upload from a while ago should fix that though
[01:53] <Daemonik> I'm using Ubuntu lpia, i386 software works fine, how can I force lpia to use i386 repositories?
[01:56] <yofel> Daemonik: you'll have to reinstall the i386 version
[01:56] <yofel> *i386 Ubuntu version
[01:57] <yofel> Daemonik: official announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-November/000643.html
[01:59] <virtuald> do anyone else get out of memory errors? i checked with memtest86+ and it reports no errors
[02:00] <virtuald> this is on ati and nomodeset on the kernel command line does not help
[02:00] <yofel> nope, at least not yet
[02:00] <yofel> no ati though
[02:01] <virtuald> i've seen it for at least a week
[02:01] <Daemonik> yofel, That's not a solution by any stretch to this valid problem.
[02:01] <yofel> if he doesn't think it is, waiting a moment to allow a reply before just vanishing would be nice...
[02:02] <alex_mayorga> Hi, are "indicator applet" and "indicator applet session" broken?
[02:02] <virtuald> (:
[02:03] <alex_mayorga> never mind, I just saw them both on the updates
[02:04] <alex_mayorga> any major breakage on the latest kernel?
[02:04]  * yofel thinks he's loosing track of what's broken and what not
[02:05] <yofel> alex_mayorga: no more than with the previous one yet
[02:05] <alex_mayorga> yofel: i.e.?
[02:05] <yofel> suspend broken for intel VGA
[02:05] <yofel> that's the only thing that doesn't work for me though
[02:06] <alex_mayorga> I don't think I've even tried suspend yet
[02:08] <yofel> bug 492392
[02:20] <alex_mayorga> well if I'm not back soon something broke on this end
[02:20]  * alex_mayorga knock on wood
[03:30] <jordanwb> Did compositing disable on anyone when upgrading today?
[03:31] <bjsnider> only do safe-upgrades for a couple days
[03:34] <jordanwb> I'm looking to the xorg logs and it can't find the glx module to load
[03:34] <jordanwb> looking at*
[03:35] <bjsnider> right
[03:35] <bjsnider> this problem will be solved in a day or two
[03:35] <jordanwb> fair enough
[03:36] <jordanwb> I searched the bugs report and didn't find one, so I posted one using ubuntu-bug
[03:36] <bjsnider> it is solved, but the packages have to be uploaded and built
[03:37] <bjsnider> there is a bug already but i don't know the number
[03:42] <jordanwb> okay
[03:42] <jordanwb> There is currently an update for xserver-xorg-core
[04:12] <akio_> holy crap my keyboard is no longer working as an input device in X!
[04:12] <akio_> I'm running this using X forwarding
[04:13] <akio_> any ideas?
[04:38] <Ahmuck> Xsession: unable to launch "/usr/bin/startldxe" X session --- "/usr/bin/startldxe" not found; falling back to default session. [okay] - Lubuntu Lucid Lynx Alpha1
[04:38] <Ahmuck> new install
[04:38] <akio_> hello
[04:39] <akio_> I have no issue inside a tty
[04:39] <akio_> with the aforeentioned keyboard issue
[04:39] <akio_> aforementioned*
[04:52] <mrmcq2u> Hi, I installed the rgba/client side windows ppa and I was wondering if there is a good way of reverting back without needing to do a fresh install?
[04:52] <DanaG> ppa-purge can do it -- not sure where that script itself is actually kept, though.
[04:53] <RAOF> Yeah, easy.  Either use “ppa-purge” from the xorg-edgers archive, or “sudo aptitude install libgtk2.0-0=2.19.2-1ubuntu1"
[04:53] <mrmcq2u> so ppa-purge ppa:nameofppa ?
[04:55] <mrmcq2u> package management would be so much easier if we had a semantic file system which treated files like git :)
[04:57] <akio> anybody got an idea as to how to troubleshoot a keyboard not working in X?
[04:57] <akio> works in a tty
[04:59] <mrmcq2u> hmmm.... compiz wont enable
[05:00] <akio> the touchpad works but no keyboard
[05:56] <nulled> jono: love your show shotofjaq...
[05:59] <jono> nulled, thanks so much!
[05:59] <jono> we are really keen for people to spread the word, so tell your friends :)
[05:59] <jono> also #shotofjaq :)
[06:01] <nulled> you guys were literal fortune tellers on LUG radio... than most of you got hired by Canonical... (Where did this ubuntu thing come from? Out of now where?) Amazing history... also I listen to FLOSS Weekly... keep up to the good work
[06:03] <nulled> yep will do
[06:03] <jono> nulled, hehe :)
[06:03] <jono> thanks so much!
[06:03] <jono> we have a new shot out tomorrow
[06:03] <jono> discussing Skype
[06:03] <jono> or it might be out today, depending on your timezone :)
[06:04] <nulled> great
[06:04] <nulled> keepit raw
[06:04] <nulled> we like raw
[06:04] <jono> nulled, oh we plan to get rawer :)
[06:04] <nulled> Aq has an amazing mind... always on point
[06:06] <jono> nulled, Aq is awesome :)
[08:15] <ouyes> hi please take a look at this i need your suggestion http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1376583
[08:48] <coz_> hey guys..real quick...manual install of nvidia drivers...compiz plugin dont work...I havent looked into it far enough to see if it was the nvidia driver  or compiz packages yet...but thought i would put it out t here incase
[08:49] <hifi> manual install of nvidia drivers -> fail miserably
[08:50] <coz_> hifi,  on this level of lucid you mean?
[08:51] <coz_> hifi,  the driver is working but not most of the compiz plugins
[08:51] <hifi> any level, don't do it man
[08:51] <coz_> hifi,  oh I generally always do it :)   dont feel bad ... this is my regular habit
[09:15] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[09:33] <knittl> syntax error: File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyatspi/__init__.py", line 42 finally:
[09:33] <knittl> oO
[09:44] <maxb> Anyone else encountering a lockup on a black screen when booting lucid?
[09:44] <maxb> at the point where X would start
[09:46] <joaopinto> maxb, there is more people reporting it, with intel graphics
[09:47] <Hew> I just updated and restarted and now I can't boot. Known issue?
[09:47] <maxb> Hew: Intel graphics hardware, perchance?
[09:47] <Hew> no nvidia
[09:47] <Hew> 7600GT
[09:48] <BUGabundo_work> hew should have doen upgrade
[09:48] <BUGabundo_work> tseliot asked yerterday to hold on 48h
[09:48] <BUGabundo_work> nvidia and MESA mess
[09:49] <BUGabundo_work> try to revert packages hew, or ask for further help in #ubuntu-x
[09:49] <Hew> ah ok, I saw a nvidia-current package appear so I tried to use that, I guess that's the problem then
[09:49] <Hew> ok thanks BUGabundo_work
[09:49] <BUGabundo_work> no...
[09:49] <BUGabundo_work> -current is the old one
[09:49] <hifi> my radeon kms tty isn't initializing btw
[09:49] <BUGabundo_work> and should be replaced by new one
[09:49] <BUGabundo_work> as soon as it go stable
[09:49] <hifi> X works fine, but tty is black
[09:50] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: but do try to run nvidia-xconfig
[09:50] <BUGabundo_work> seems to help
[09:50] <Hew> well I'm at busybox shell atm
[09:50] <BUGabundo_work> autch
[09:52] <CosmiChaos> lol upgrades killed the opengl-star
[09:53] <CosmiChaos> nvidia-setttings says on glx tab: failed to query the GLX server vendor
[09:53] <CosmiChaos> any gl-app including compiz refuse to work x(
[09:54] <CosmiChaos> wtf who installed glx-195, i forced 190.30 beta damn
[09:54] <CosmiChaos> i need to remove all that ubnntu nvidia driver O.o
[09:59] <yofel> CosmiChaos: the nvidia driver packaging has changed completely
[10:00] <CosmiChaos> ok i just remove it and reinstall nvidia beta 190.30 from tty1
[10:06] <CosmiChaos> re everything is back to normal
[10:06] <CosmiChaos> seems to be the regular procedure when using nvidia-betas
[10:06] <CosmiChaos> because nvidia-com installs nvidia-glx
[10:06] <CosmiChaos> common
[10:07] <CosmiChaos> so on update it reinstalls the packages, i was never informed that it going to install new package nvidia-glx
[10:07] <CosmiChaos> while i always use synaptic
[10:07] <CosmiChaos> same goes for kernel upgrades
[10:08] <yofel> CosmiChaos: since the packaging has changed, the nvidia 185 updates are forced since the -glx packages are obsolete
[10:08] <CosmiChaos> because that nvidia-installer of course does not provide a routine to trigger rebuilding kernel modules for non actual but highest installed version
[10:09] <CosmiChaos> obsolete???
[10:09] <yofel> CosmiChaos: the new packages are nvidia-current nvidia-173 and nvidia-96
[10:10] <CosmiChaos> yes but there are not obsolete, seems that them are still the basic driver and current is just a transitional package
[10:10] <yofel> CosmiChaos: what I meant is that the 'nvdia-glx-173' etc. are obsolete
[10:11] <CosmiChaos> oh right current does not installglx-185
[10:11] <CosmiChaos> really... weird
[10:11] <yofel> the packaging has changed so that you can now actually have all drivers installed at the same time
[10:11] <CosmiChaos> and glx-185 is versioned 190.53 lol
[10:11] <yofel> CosmiChaos: yes, transitional package
[10:11] <BUGabundo_work> CosmiChaos: here is a free tip: $sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[10:12] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo_work, sucks
[10:12] <yofel> uh, wait, with the new packaging they even shouldn't interfere with the nvidia.com driver anymore, as the module names are different
[10:13]  * BUGabundo_work is so confused about the new nvidia drivers
[10:13] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo_work, why should i do that, it would not help me in using nvidias-beta packages mrore comfortable
[10:13] <CosmiChaos> and still i do this safe-upgrade likely manual
[10:14] <CosmiChaos> sometimes you dont want to install new packages even if they dont require to uninstall something
[10:15] <CosmiChaos> i just lock the nvidia packages hehe
[10:16] <CosmiChaos> lockt to version: not installed works fine
[10:16] <yofel> CosmiChaos: if I understand the new packaging right, you shouldn't have a problem having -current installed while using the nvidia.com beta driver
[10:16] <CosmiChaos> see i want the upgrade not to install something, not not to remove something
[10:17] <BUGabundo_work> CosmiChaos: aptitude hold PACKAGE
[10:17] <CosmiChaos> it makes the glxinfo.so not a ssymbolic link to what library 190.53 used so opengl was not available
[10:17] <BUGabundo_work> but u out of luck. new Xorg requires new driver too
[10:17] <CosmiChaos> i need to twice reinstall the beta and reboot
[10:17] <CosmiChaos> and now i need to go
[10:17] <CosmiChaos> cya
[10:18] <CosmiChaos> no xorg would not use proprietary nvidia drivers ;)
[10:18] <CosmiChaos> i guess they will rely on nouveou
[10:19] <CosmiChaos> even the nvidia-installed newly says failed distrtibution script something lately in lucid
[10:19] <CosmiChaos> well really cya
[10:44] <Hew> Any ideas how I can rescue my system from a busybox shell? I'm in a chroot now from a LiveUSB but not really sure where to start.
[10:54] <Hew> sometimes I get these errors instead when booting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/355432/
[10:56] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: how about remove nvidia drivers?
[10:56] <BUGabundo_work> VESA would at least allow bootng
[10:57] <Hew> BUGabundo_work, is it getting that far in the boot process? I'm not sure, usually xorg/nvidia problems gives me the option to use the low graphics mode
[10:57] <Hew> with these mountall errors I don't have a terminal or anything
[10:57] <Hew> and I'm not too sure how to add/remove things from the chroot I had open earlier
[11:00] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: i've read fta had probs with grub
[11:00] <BUGabundo_work> not sure u are that far back stuck
[11:04] <Hew> ok I might give it 24h to see if it's some new issue, but if it's not I'll just reinstall
[11:06] <alkisg> Hew: doesn't selecting the recovery mode from grub help?
[11:07] <Hew> I can't even work out how to get into grub2, it just says "grub loading" no matter how much I hit esc
[11:08] <alkisg> Try with shift pressed
[11:11] <Hew> haha thanks alkisg that worked, loading into recovery mode of an old kernel :D
[11:11] <alkisg> Hew: do give this a try: apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[11:14] <Hew> done alkisg, should I try restarting now?
[11:14] <Hew> fyi I'd be happy enough getting things working with nv
[11:15] <alkisg> Well, I don't really know what your problem was, but this command fixes some things that broke today... so sure, you can try rebooting...
[11:15] <Hew> ok thanks alot for your help alkisg, it's looking a lot more promising
[11:22] <Hew> alkisg, I've booted in low graphics mode on and old kernel. This is good enough for me for the time being. Thanks!
[11:22] <alkisg> Hew, you're welcome
[11:24] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: i know, the hidden grub sucks :(
[11:25] <Hew> it should say 'press shift for menu' or something
[11:25] <Hew> thanks for your help too BUGabundo_work :-)
[11:38] <om26er_> until yesterday everthing was just fine and today there are many applications malfunctioning
[11:42] <zoobox> Hi, is there a time-schedule on a webpage somewhere that lists when things in next version of ubuntu happens? like when will the first alpha (or what is is valled) that you don't have to compile yourself be released and things
[11:42] <Ian_Corne> !release
[11:42] <Ian_Corne> otherwise check the topic
[11:43] <zoobox> oh oups.. there is allready an alpha :-}
[11:53] <BUGabundo_work> zoobox: forget the alphas. go for dailies
[12:01] <rrob> Hi all, pls do you know which sound system is used in Ubuntu 9.10?
[12:02] <knittl> rrob: pulseaudio
[12:02] <rrob> thanx
[12:03] <rrob> And alsa controls tools didnt work right now, isnt it?
[12:04] <knittl> pulseaudio still uses alsa behind the scene as far as i understand
[12:06] <rrob> Im googling how to switch default soundcard.
[12:06] <coz_> hey guys...how do you pull up  "About Ubuntu"  via termina?
[12:07] <rrob> coz_: do you have icon on desktop?
[12:07] <rrob> me not, i have erased it
[12:07] <coz_> rrob,   no I dont
[12:07] <rrob> create new user, logon as him, you will have icon on panel
[12:08] <rrob> right click - properties and you will see command how to run about ubuntu
[12:08] <coz_> rrob,  the reason I am asking is that  "About Ubuntu" window opens with nothing in it and the cursor is excessively jumpy
[12:08] <rrob> aaaa pardon, i think that you speak about ubuntu help
[12:08] <coz_> i wanted to see any errors that may show up
[12:08] <coz_> rrob,  no not ubuntu help
[12:09] <rrob> understand, sorry, dont know
[12:09] <coz_> no problem
[12:10] <rrob> coz_: I found second button - gnome-about .) its package
[12:11] <coz_> rrob,   apparenlty the error is    yelp ghelp:about-ubuntu
[12:11] <coz_> the command  is    yelp ghelp:about-ubuntu
[12:12] <coz_> rather   Yelper initialization failed for 0x97f0298
[12:13] <rrob> sry, more googling
[12:13] <Ian_Corne> coz_:
[12:14] <Ian_Corne> yelp ghelp:about-ubuntu
[12:14] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  yep got that thanks :)
[12:14] <coz_> also found bug report
[12:14] <rrob> and my problem .) ...  I found some cli commands how to switch default sound card via alsa, but they didnt work. Does anybody know some tool which can switch cards? gui or cli?
[12:15] <Ian_Corne> 9.10 or 10.04?
[12:15] <coz_> rrob,  is there an onboard card as well?
[12:15] <rrob> 9.10
[12:15] <rrob> coz_: yes
[12:15] <rrob> onboard and audigy
[12:15] <rrob> I want make shortcut for switching them.
[12:15] <Ian_Corne> i'll have to redirect you to #ubuntu then rrob
[12:16] <coz_> rrob,   I have not seen anything to  switch cards  although you could disable the onboard via the bios
[12:16] <coz_> rrob,   you could also try #also channel or ##linus
[12:16] <coz_> ##linux
[12:16] <rrob> you can switch it via standart soundcard gui, but its about 5clicks
[12:17] <rrob> i need to simplify it
[12:17] <rrob> ok, im going to #ubu, bye
[12:17] <om26er> the whole lucid cycle everything was fine but today's updates were a disaster any specific package invloved?
[12:21] <ripps> geez, the new 'me menu' takes up too much space on my panel
[13:20] <BUGabundo_work> Ian_Corne: next time send him to #ubuntu-audio-help
[13:22] <Ian_Corne> aha
[13:22] <Ian_Corne> ok :)
[13:26] <acicula> heu moar ubuntu channels?
[13:30] <BUGabundo_work> Ian_Corne: acicula: usually dtchen is around their, and since the backlog is smaller, it makes it easier to be supported
[14:38] <nvme> can someone help me with udev, i cant figure out how to write a rules for my mouse (converting from fdi file)
[14:41] <NateW> for some reason, wifi does not discover connections.. if i use "connect to a hidden network" and enter the information, i can connect just fine, but as soon as i disconnect, i have to repeat the process.. also it is not a hidden network since i can connect just fine in karmc..
[17:11] <ibkanat> could I get some help? my wired eth0 wont work in lucid
[17:12] <ibkanat> ifconfig
[17:12] <ibkanat> and it shows the eth0 module but doesnt see router
[17:12] <ibkanat> worked fine before upgrade
[17:13] <ibkanat> or can someone point me to a network setup command
[17:13] <ibkanat> or wiki
[17:14] <BUGabundo_work> ibkanat: what card is it ?
[17:14] <BUGabundo_work> lspci -b | pastebinit
[17:14] <BUGabundo_work> lspci -v | pastebinit , actually
[17:15] <ibkanat> lets see nvidia MCP51 built into my asus motherboard
[17:15] <ibkanat> kernel driver in use forcedeth
[17:16] <BUGabundo_work> u may also ask asac in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[17:16] <BUGabundo_work> he is the guy behind NM
[17:16] <ibkanat> capaiblities acess denied
[17:16] <ibkanat> is it a permissions issue I added networking to my user
[17:19] <ibkanat> is there a wiki for troubleshooting?
[17:27] <ibkanat> anyone else have tips
[17:28] <ibkanat> netmanger shows connected but cant ping router
[17:28] <ibkanat> after I set the ip with ifconfig
[17:29] <ibkanat> if  I could just get it to work for a little bit to update ..... ahhhhhhhhhhh
[17:30] <komputes> ibkanat: which one do *you* want to use NM or ifconfig?
[17:30] <komputes> they compete, that is to say Network manager takes over
[17:30] <ibkanat> I would like NM to work
[17:30] <ibkanat> anything is fine
[17:30] <komputes> then NM it is
[17:31] <komputes> what you you have in your /etc/network/interfaces
[17:31] <komputes> (please pastebin it)
[17:31] <ibkanat> hard to paste bin since no net
[17:32] <ibkanat> just auto lo and
[17:32] <ibkanat> iface lo inet loopback
[17:33] <ibkanat> should I add eth0 auto?
[17:33] <ibkanat> would it look like iface eth0 auto?
[17:35] <ibkanat> should I add it static?
[17:36] <ibkanat> just added iface eth0 inet dhcp
[17:36] <komputes> ibkanat: you should not do anything yet ;)
[17:36] <ibkanat> is that right?
[17:36] <ibkanat> oop
[17:36] <komputes> ok, then, troubleshoot it, let me know how it goes
[17:38] <ibkanat> no I will remove and wait doesnt work
[17:38] <ibkanat> ready
[17:41] <ibkanat> should I wait for help?
[17:48] <ibkanat> anyone else care to help?
[17:53] <BUGabundo_work> FYI nvidia users: [17:52] <tseliot> BUGabundo_work: sure, it should be safe to upgrade. Note: after the upgrade (just to be safe) reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[18:24] <jorgen> hi there!
[19:16] <burzki> hey.  after the last kernel update a day ago, my '3' key causes a restart when used in an open program .. any ideas?
[20:01] <FFForever> Anyone around?, I disabled the indicator applet and messaging app (Don't like it...) anyways how do i get the pidgin tray icon back?, last time i asked #pidgin they said you guys mod the source and won't help..., Also i know this is not #ubuntu but #ubuntu slides to fast and no one know hows to put the tray icon
[20:03] <jpds> FFForever: Tools → Preferences → Always show system tray icon?
[20:03]  * FFForever kicks self
[20:03] <FFForever> I didn't see that before =\
[20:05]  * jpds hugs FFForever.
[20:06] <FFForever> How do you get on irc from your ds?
[20:11] <jpds> FFForever: DS?
[20:12] <FFForever> i guess its not initials ds?
[20:12] <jpds> No.
[20:12] <FFForever> I see
[20:12] <jpds> Just a nick.
[20:12] <FFForever> whats it stand for?
[20:12] <jpds> Nothing.
[20:13] <FFForever> Ahhh cool
[20:13] <FFForever> What do you think mine is?
[20:15] <burzki> !ot | FFForever
[20:16] <FFForever> sorry xD
[20:26] <BUGabundo> bah
[20:26] <BUGabundo> nvidia still DOA
[20:26] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[20:26] <BUGabundo> hey charlie-tca
[20:27] <arand> BUGabundo: Dogs On Acid?
[20:28] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit /var/log/jockey.log
[20:28] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/355687/
[20:28] <BUGabundo> arand: or my fav, dead on arrival
[20:29] <burzki> BUGabundo, any idea why my monitor is not turning off during shutdown?  everything else seems to shutdown fine, but the monitor is left hanging on, machine wont turn off
[20:29] <BUGabundo> no
[20:29] <burzki> ati ratheon
[20:29] <burzki> thx
[20:30] <charlie-tca> bug?
[20:30]  * charlie-tca just guessing
[20:31] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: yes?
[20:31] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, what about nvidia?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: can't get 3D :(
[20:31] <charlie-tca> guessing at burzki's issue
[20:31] <charlie-tca> is it a bug?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> ahh not me then
[20:31] <BUGabundo> ehe
[20:31] <BUGabundo> darn nick
[20:32] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, I have nvidia-current installed, and the compiz desktop cube rotates.  Raise on rotate is not working.  And I do get a warning from VMware that GL isn't available.
[20:32] <NoelJB> So something is b0rked.
[20:33] <BUGabundo> the entire X and nvidia
[20:33] <BUGabundo> at least you got 3D
[20:34] <NoelJB> But apparently not everything.  NONE of the GL screensavers renders.
[20:34] <NoelJB> The only 3D effect I can see is the rotating desktop cube.
[20:35] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, from what I see in the change logs as updates come out, there are definite issues related to GL.
[20:38] <burzki> charlie-tca, i imagine, though i dont know where to start looking for what the error would be.  started after an update several days ago
[20:38] <charlie-tca> probably go away on its own too
[20:38] <burzki> have been fussing with ati/radeon/fglrx packages ..
[20:38] <burzki> eventually i imagine ..
[20:38] <burzki> pain in the arse now, i cant shitdown w/o hard poweroff
[20:39] <burzki> *shutdown.  sorry
[20:40] <burzki> after yesterdays kernel upgrade, now my #three key causes a restart ..
[20:40] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: what is the bug on nvidia?
[20:40] <burzki> silly
[20:40] <BUGabundo> no idea charlie-tca
[20:40] <charlie-tca> Hmmm, it won't install from a new install today either
[20:42]  * BUGabundo shouts: stupid postgres
[20:43] <NoelJB> So far, though, lucid looks OK.  Suspend/resume are b0rked.  AW wants me to try without the real nvidia driver, so I'll give one of the toys are try for completeness.
[20:43] <BUGabundo> how the heck do you purge a package that insistes in running dpkg --reconfigure 1st, but fails post install script ?!?
[20:43] <NoelJB> dpkg --purge <x> doesn't work?
[20:43] <Ian_Corne> normal unistall?
[20:44] <BUGabundo> nope
[20:44] <RAOF> BUGabundo: Easy.  You edit the postinst script!
[20:44] <BUGabundo> just asks to run --configure .a
[20:44] <BUGabundo> I know
[20:44] <BUGabundo> that's what I'm doint next RAOF
[20:45] <BUGabundo> but will keep all the cruft of postgress
[20:45] <BUGabundo> and a Stock program
[20:45] <BUGabundo> due to a bad post install script
[20:45] <BUGabundo> heck, I'm hacking apt db instead
[20:45] <BUGabundo> takes less time
[20:46] <BUGabundo> hope next release fixes this
[20:46] <BUGabundo> bug reported any way
[20:46] <RAOF> No, you just edit the postinst script to not fail, then purge as normal.
[20:46] <BUGabundo> humm
[20:47] <BUGabundo> RAOF: if only I knew where the post install script is
[20:49] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, what about dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq <package>  ?
[20:51] <RAOF> BUGabundo: It's in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[20:51] <BUGabundo> found it
[20:51] <RAOF> BUGabundo: With all the other dpkg stuff :)
[20:51] <BUGabundo> thanks to mlocate
[20:52] <BUGabundo> thanks RAOF, for putting up with me, and my rattings
[20:52] <pasjr> is 64deg c to hot to be running my laptop?
[20:52] <BUGabundo> STUPID STUPID bug
[20:53] <BUGabundo> tries to remove a dir that doesn't exist
[20:53] <BUGabundo> I'm bashing the darn dev
[20:53] <BUGabundo> pasjr: mine is at 58 GPU
[20:53] <BUGabundo> CPU at 51
[20:53] <BUGabundo> its ~8ºC room temperature
[20:54] <pasjr> ok I have it running at 2.30GHz and its temp is 64deg C just making sure its ok
[20:54] <RAOF> pasjr: No, not at all.  My ASUS runs between 70℃ and 90℃ under load.
[20:54] <RAOF> (It triggers the emergency shutdown once it hits 90℃, though)
[20:55] <pasjr> i used to be able to control the fan and temp in 9.04 but not in 10.04, or atleast I have not found the correct config for it
[20:56] <pasjr> in 9.04 i could run 2.30GHz at 45degC
[20:56] <BluesKaj> managed to get kde 4.4 back up and running after doing a hiatus on gnome for the last 3 days
[20:56] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, apparently, we're missing libGLU.so.1
[20:56] <BUGabundo> tell me about it NoelJB :(
[20:56] <charlie-tca> bug 506618
[20:57] <pasjr> 10.04 seems a little better with the recent updates, but i lost software center, but can access it via Ubuntu Tweak
[20:57] <NoelJB> charlie-tca, I have nvidia-current installed.
[20:57] <BUGabundo> more likely  bug 494166
[20:57] <NoelJB> it installed fine, as far as I can tell.
[20:57] <pasjr> is that normal right now?
[20:58] <BluesKaj> damn jockey , it's flaky and should be depracated or dropped ...ppl are much better off to stop X in a tty and remove the old and install the current driver
[20:58] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, not that one for me, either.
[20:59] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, simply run apt-get install nvidia-current
[20:59] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, it is under modification and will be updated soon
[20:59] <NoelJB> bjsnider, any idea why we're getting libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory.
[20:59] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: already have that
[20:59] <BluesKaj> well, i hope so bjsnider , i had to do the above to rescue my setup
[21:00] <BUGabundo> but its 2D
[21:00] <bjsnider> NoelJB, negative
[21:00] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, you are using an unstable distro
[21:00] <NoelJB> bjsnider, /usr/lib/GL is populated, but that libGLU is missing from wherever it was intended to come (mesa?)
[21:00] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -l | grep nvidia | pastebinit
[21:00] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/355696/
[21:00] <NoelJB> I'll check on karmic ...
[21:01] <charlie-tca> Look at the jockey log and see if you have the error towards the bottom:
[21:01] <charlie-tca> WARNING: modinfo for module nvidia failed: ERROR: modinfo: could not find .
[21:01] <charlie-tca> module nvidia
[21:02] <charlie-tca> It can't install because the module is missing
[21:02] <bjsnider> !find libGLU.so.1 lucid
[21:02] <BUGabundo> anyone else noticing CPUs gettting set at PERFORMANCE instead of ondemand ?
[21:03] <bjsnider> install ia32-libs
[21:03] <NoelJB> charlie-tca, yes: $  modinfo nvidia --> ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nvidia
[21:03] <BUGabundo> darn
[21:03] <BUGabundo> my system is still trying to find it
[21:03] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:03] <bjsnider> the nvidia driver doesn't install or modify that file
[21:03] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -S libGLU.so.1
[21:03] <BUGabundo> libglu1-mesa: /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1.3.070800
[21:03] <BUGabundo> ia32-libs: /usr/lib32/libGLU.so.1.3.070600
[21:03] <BUGabundo> ia32-libs: /usr/lib32/libGLU.so.1
[21:03] <BUGabundo> libglu1-mesa: /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Then how could it be installed?
[21:03] <BUGabundo> I need the one in mesa
[21:03] <pasjr> BUGabundo: yes but I can easily change it to ondemand if I want to
[21:03] <BUGabundo> pasjr: requires ROOT
[21:04] <BUGabundo> and is bad policy or bug
[21:04] <charlie-tca> bjsnider: but the intallation fails and gives a message to check jockey.log
[21:04] <pasjr> you can add cpu scaler to your menu bar and set it that way
[21:04] <pasjr> works very well
[21:05] <pasjr> I belive it is a bug
[21:06] <BUGabundo> pasjr: I have that
[21:06] <BUGabundo> I always have it
[21:06] <BUGabundo> but last week stop working as expected
[21:06] <bjsnider> reinstall libglu1-mesa
[21:06] <BUGabundo> ie ONDEMAND
[21:07] <pasjr> remove and re-add it
[21:07] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:07] <BUGabundo> pasjr: its not the applet
[21:07] <BUGabundo> its a kernel policy
[21:07] <pasjr> what dose your lshw show with and with out
[21:08] <pasjr> the applet should fix your issue
[21:08] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, the reinstall command doesn't work?
[21:08] <BUGabundo> did
[21:08] <BUGabundo> and did nothing
[21:09] <bjsnider> does ls find the file?
[21:09] <pasjr> do you have cpu scaling installed and working? it may have been removed in one of the updates
[21:09]  * BUGabundo needs and SSD
[21:09] <BUGabundo> $ mlocate libGLU.so.1
[21:09] <BUGabundo> /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1
[21:09] <BUGabundo> /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1.3.070800
[21:09] <BUGabundo> /usr/lib32/libGLU.so.1
[21:09] <BUGabundo> /usr/lib32/libGLU.so.1.3.070600
[21:09] <pasjr> some boards and cpu's have had that happen
[21:10] <BUGabundo> pasjr: listen to me: always worked! started failing last week
[21:10] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, that is two different versions
[21:10] <BUGabundo> toshiba next to me with karmic is also failing now
[21:10] <bjsnider> 070800; 070600
[21:10] <BUGabundo> right
[21:11] <BUGabundo> mesa and ialibs don't match
[21:11] <pasjr> ok that tells me it is your cpu or setting in bios
[21:11] <BUGabundo> great, another bug
[21:11] <BUGabundo> or FTBFS
[21:11] <bjsnider> what if you remove ia32-libs?
[21:11] <pasjr> check your cmos battery
[21:11] <pasjr> if it is bad it will lose settings as in cpu scaling
[21:11] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:12] <BUGabundo> looks safe bjsnider
[21:12] <BUGabundo> going fro it
[21:12] <BUGabundo> pasjr: are you joking ?????
[21:12] <BUGabundo> really! kernel sets it on boot via a policy
[21:12] <BUGabundo> that currentily is ONDEMAND
[21:12] <pasjr> no I had this happen on two older computers on 8.04
[21:12] <BUGabundo> it has a script to test a certain few things, and if that fails, it drops to failsafe aka performance
[21:13] <BUGabundo> seems that recently either the script or the set of tests subject it runs
[21:13] <BUGabundo> is failing on my system
[21:13] <pasjr> i dont know then with out sitting at your computer
[21:13] <BUGabundo> anyhow
[21:13] <yofel> pasjr: since Jaunty (I think) the kernel is set to performance on boot and an initscript sets it to ondemand later
[21:13] <BUGabundo> dinner is served
[21:13] <BUGabundo> bbl
[21:14] <BUGabundo> yofel: no. karmic did something diferent, I think
[21:14] <yofel> hm, he's gone
[21:14] <yofel> but the init  script is still there...
[21:14] <pasjr> I have a Toshiba A505D and I have no problems it is AMD 64bit with a  Turion ultra dual-core mobile ZM-84
[21:19] <pasjr> dumb question what is the diff between size and clock on cpu?
[21:44] <Guest60617> hola
[21:45] <Guest60617> alguien me ayuda a montar mi home encriptado?
[21:46] <charlie-tca> !spanish
[22:01] <NoelJB> bjsnider, Creating a symlink from /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 -> mesa/libGLU.so.1 appears to resolve the problem.
[22:02] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, ^^^^^^
[22:03] <BUGabundo> that's dangly
[22:03] <BUGabundo> when updates come
[22:03] <BUGabundo> it may get screwy
[22:06] <NoelJB> I'll post to LP later.
[22:06] <NoelJB> I need to reboot to test something.
[22:22] <CosmiChaos> Somethings wrong python-atspi is not correctly installed on my mashine, please help: http://paste.ubuntu.com/355753/
[22:23] <CosmiChaos> I mean python-pyatspi
[22:27] <CosmiChaos> oh well theres already a bug open: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at-spi/+bug/506278
[22:28] <CosmiChaos> that broke half of my desktop environment
[22:33] <CosmiChaos> got the workaround
[22:47] <CosmiChaos> Guys my python is still broke, wether synaptic says it is correctly installed:
[22:48] <BUGabundo> one more try
[22:48] <BUGabundo> $ gdb --arg kmail --nofork
[22:48] <BUGabundo> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[22:48] <BUGabundo> 0x00000000018db000 in ?? ()
[22:48] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[22:48] <BUGabundo> F
[22:49] <BUGabundo> guess mutt will have to do
[22:51] <bjsnider> are you a kde user?
[22:54] <BUGabundo> no
[22:54] <BUGabundo> gnome
[22:54] <BUGabundo> but I love kmail
[22:54] <BUGabundo> been using it for years
[22:54] <BUGabundo> plus TB 3.1 won't work with my accounts
[22:55] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: what's the best way to use X from another remote PC?
[22:55] <bjsnider> don't you have to install a bunch of kde runtime crap to use kmail?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> do we still have XMDC ?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: a few, yes. worth it. believe me
[22:56] <bjsnider> just because of mailing lists?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> no
[22:56] <BUGabundo> work mail mostly
[22:56] <BUGabundo> I stop reading MLs :(
[22:56] <BUGabundo> not enough time
[23:04] <NateW> my wifi isnt displaying available networks.. any ideas? or is this a known bug? (i can still connect to networks using "connect to hidden network")
[23:04] <NateW> also i dont have this problem in karmic, so it is an issue in lucid
[23:07] <genii> Just some oddities after latest dist-upgrade (KDE 4.3.90) , Firefox one here http://i47.tinypic.com/hs8fh3.png    and apparently no battery on my laptop here http://i45.tinypic.com/21j9hdj.png
[23:17] <maxb> Has anyone figured out how to resuscitate Lucid on intel graphics hardware?
[23:17] <maxb> By rolling back mesa and the X server I've at least got into X, but compiz seems greatly unhappy
[23:18] <BUGabundo> me too maxb
[23:48] <maxb> hmm - adding /usr/lib/mesa to ld.so.conf seems to be an acceptable kludge for now
[23:52] <albert23> maxb: I only had to reinstall xserver-xorg-core to get X working again
[23:53] <BUGabundo> yeah known
[23:53] <maxb> Hmm. Maybe I'll dare upgrade mesa again and see if it survives, then
[23:53] <DanaG> hmm, what's the difference between linux-alsa-driver-modules-alsa-VER-generic and linux-alsa-driver-modules-VER-generic?
[23:53] <DanaG> One says "from alsa"; one says "from ubuntu"
[23:56] <bjsnider> DanaG, an extra "alsa" in the name of the former one is the difference i see