[00:19] * genii makes more coffee [00:22] * bjsnider drinks about 6 cups of it [00:22] and is still drowsy [00:26] bjsnider: I empathise [00:30] Hm. I have no battery, apparently. But yet the machine continues to work [01:13] Anyone else encountering a lockup on a black screen when booting? [01:14] The only thing that I can think of that's changed recently is plymouth was installed [01:21] Hmm. Not plymouth. mesa perhaps? [01:22] I boot with nosplash, enter my cryptsetup passphrase blindly, and continue [01:22] I never use splash [01:22] but mesa was pretty broken, the upload from a while ago should fix that though [01:53] I'm using Ubuntu lpia, i386 software works fine, how can I force lpia to use i386 repositories? [01:56] Daemonik: you'll have to reinstall the i386 version [01:56] *i386 Ubuntu version [01:57] Daemonik: official announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-November/000643.html [01:59] do anyone else get out of memory errors? i checked with memtest86+ and it reports no errors [02:00] this is on ati and nomodeset on the kernel command line does not help [02:00] nope, at least not yet [02:00] no ati though [02:01] i've seen it for at least a week [02:01] yofel, That's not a solution by any stretch to this valid problem. [02:01] if he doesn't think it is, waiting a moment to allow a reply before just vanishing would be nice... [02:02] Hi, are "indicator applet" and "indicator applet session" broken? [02:02] (: [02:03] never mind, I just saw them both on the updates [02:04] any major breakage on the latest kernel? [02:04] * yofel thinks he's loosing track of what's broken and what not [02:05] alex_mayorga: no more than with the previous one yet [02:05] yofel: i.e.? [02:05] suspend broken for intel VGA [02:05] that's the only thing that doesn't work for me though [02:06] I don't think I've even tried suspend yet [02:08] bug 492392 [02:08] Launchpad bug 492392 in linux "[lucid, intel] After suspend, flickering screen and then blank screen." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/492392 [02:20] well if I'm not back soon something broke on this end [02:20] * alex_mayorga knock on wood === jono_ is now known as jono [03:30] Did compositing disable on anyone when upgrading today? [03:31] only do safe-upgrades for a couple days [03:34] I'm looking to the xorg logs and it can't find the glx module to load [03:34] looking at* [03:35] right [03:35] this problem will be solved in a day or two [03:35] fair enough [03:36] I searched the bugs report and didn't find one, so I posted one using ubuntu-bug [03:36] it is solved, but the packages have to be uploaded and built [03:37] there is a bug already but i don't know the number [03:42] okay [03:42] There is currently an update for xserver-xorg-core === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [04:12] holy crap my keyboard is no longer working as an input device in X! [04:12] I'm running this using X forwarding [04:13] any ideas? [04:38] Xsession: unable to launch "/usr/bin/startldxe" X session --- "/usr/bin/startldxe" not found; falling back to default session. [okay] - Lubuntu Lucid Lynx Alpha1 [04:38] new install [04:38] hello [04:39] I have no issue inside a tty [04:39] with the aforeentioned keyboard issue [04:39] aforementioned* [04:52] Hi, I installed the rgba/client side windows ppa and I was wondering if there is a good way of reverting back without needing to do a fresh install? [04:52] ppa-purge can do it -- not sure where that script itself is actually kept, though. [04:53] Yeah, easy. Either use “ppa-purge” from the xorg-edgers archive, or “sudo aptitude install libgtk2.0-0=2.19.2-1ubuntu1" [04:53] so ppa-purge ppa:nameofppa ? [04:55] package management would be so much easier if we had a semantic file system which treated files like git :) [04:57] anybody got an idea as to how to troubleshoot a keyboard not working in X? [04:57] works in a tty [04:59] hmmm.... compiz wont enable [05:00] the touchpad works but no keyboard [05:56] jono: love your show shotofjaq... [05:59] nulled, thanks so much! [05:59] we are really keen for people to spread the word, so tell your friends :) [05:59] also #shotofjaq :) [06:01] you guys were literal fortune tellers on LUG radio... than most of you got hired by Canonical... (Where did this ubuntu thing come from? Out of now where?) Amazing history... also I listen to FLOSS Weekly... keep up to the good work [06:03] yep will do [06:03] nulled, hehe :) [06:03] thanks so much! [06:03] we have a new shot out tomorrow [06:03] discussing Skype [06:03] or it might be out today, depending on your timezone :) [06:04] great [06:04] keepit raw [06:04] we like raw [06:04] nulled, oh we plan to get rawer :) [06:04] Aq has an amazing mind... always on point [06:06] nulled, Aq is awesome :) === \vish is now known as vish [08:15] hi please take a look at this i need your suggestion http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1376583 [08:48] hey guys..real quick...manual install of nvidia drivers...compiz plugin dont work...I havent looked into it far enough to see if it was the nvidia driver or compiz packages yet...but thought i would put it out t here incase [08:49] manual install of nvidia drivers -> fail miserably [08:50] hifi, on this level of lucid you mean? [08:51] hifi, the driver is working but not most of the compiz plugins [08:51] any level, don't do it man [08:51] hifi, oh I generally always do it :) dont feel bad ... this is my regular habit [09:15] morning [09:33] syntax error: File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyatspi/__init__.py", line 42 finally: [09:33] oO [09:44] Anyone else encountering a lockup on a black screen when booting lucid? [09:44] at the point where X would start [09:46] maxb, there is more people reporting it, with intel graphics [09:47] I just updated and restarted and now I can't boot. Known issue? [09:47] Hew: Intel graphics hardware, perchance? [09:47] no nvidia [09:47] 7600GT [09:48] hew should have doen upgrade [09:48] tseliot asked yerterday to hold on 48h [09:48] nvidia and MESA mess [09:49] try to revert packages hew, or ask for further help in #ubuntu-x [09:49] ah ok, I saw a nvidia-current package appear so I tried to use that, I guess that's the problem then [09:49] ok thanks BUGabundo_work [09:49] no... [09:49] -current is the old one [09:49] my radeon kms tty isn't initializing btw [09:49] and should be replaced by new one [09:49] as soon as it go stable [09:49] X works fine, but tty is black [09:50] Hew: but do try to run nvidia-xconfig [09:50] seems to help [09:50] well I'm at busybox shell atm [09:50] autch [09:52] lol upgrades killed the opengl-star [09:53] nvidia-setttings says on glx tab: failed to query the GLX server vendor [09:53] any gl-app including compiz refuse to work x( [09:54] wtf who installed glx-195, i forced 190.30 beta damn [09:54] i need to remove all that ubnntu nvidia driver O.o [09:59] CosmiChaos: the nvidia driver packaging has changed completely [10:00] ok i just remove it and reinstall nvidia beta 190.30 from tty1 [10:06] re everything is back to normal [10:06] seems to be the regular procedure when using nvidia-betas [10:06] because nvidia-com installs nvidia-glx [10:06] common [10:07] so on update it reinstalls the packages, i was never informed that it going to install new package nvidia-glx [10:07] while i always use synaptic [10:07] same goes for kernel upgrades [10:08] CosmiChaos: since the packaging has changed, the nvidia 185 updates are forced since the -glx packages are obsolete [10:08] because that nvidia-installer of course does not provide a routine to trigger rebuilding kernel modules for non actual but highest installed version [10:09] obsolete??? [10:09] CosmiChaos: the new packages are nvidia-current nvidia-173 and nvidia-96 [10:10] yes but there are not obsolete, seems that them are still the basic driver and current is just a transitional package [10:10] CosmiChaos: what I meant is that the 'nvdia-glx-173' etc. are obsolete [10:11] oh right current does not installglx-185 [10:11] really... weird [10:11] the packaging has changed so that you can now actually have all drivers installed at the same time [10:11] and glx-185 is versioned 190.53 lol [10:11] CosmiChaos: yes, transitional package [10:11] CosmiChaos: here is a free tip: $sudo aptitude safe-upgrade [10:12] BUGabundo_work, sucks [10:12] uh, wait, with the new packaging they even shouldn't interfere with the nvidia.com driver anymore, as the module names are different [10:13] * BUGabundo_work is so confused about the new nvidia drivers [10:13] BUGabundo_work, why should i do that, it would not help me in using nvidias-beta packages mrore comfortable [10:13] and still i do this safe-upgrade likely manual [10:14] sometimes you dont want to install new packages even if they dont require to uninstall something [10:15] i just lock the nvidia packages hehe [10:16] lockt to version: not installed works fine [10:16] CosmiChaos: if I understand the new packaging right, you shouldn't have a problem having -current installed while using the nvidia.com beta driver [10:16] see i want the upgrade not to install something, not not to remove something [10:17] CosmiChaos: aptitude hold PACKAGE [10:17] it makes the glxinfo.so not a ssymbolic link to what library 190.53 used so opengl was not available [10:17] but u out of luck. new Xorg requires new driver too [10:17] i need to twice reinstall the beta and reboot [10:17] and now i need to go [10:17] cya [10:18] no xorg would not use proprietary nvidia drivers ;) [10:18] i guess they will rely on nouveou [10:19] even the nvidia-installed newly says failed distrtibution script something lately in lucid [10:19] well really cya [10:44] Any ideas how I can rescue my system from a busybox shell? I'm in a chroot now from a LiveUSB but not really sure where to start. [10:54] sometimes I get these errors instead when booting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/355432/ [10:56] Hew: how about remove nvidia drivers? [10:56] VESA would at least allow bootng [10:57] BUGabundo_work, is it getting that far in the boot process? I'm not sure, usually xorg/nvidia problems gives me the option to use the low graphics mode [10:57] with these mountall errors I don't have a terminal or anything [10:57] and I'm not too sure how to add/remove things from the chroot I had open earlier [11:00] Hew: i've read fta had probs with grub [11:00] not sure u are that far back stuck [11:04] ok I might give it 24h to see if it's some new issue, but if it's not I'll just reinstall [11:06] Hew: doesn't selecting the recovery mode from grub help? [11:07] I can't even work out how to get into grub2, it just says "grub loading" no matter how much I hit esc [11:08] Try with shift pressed [11:11] haha thanks alkisg that worked, loading into recovery mode of an old kernel :D [11:11] Hew: do give this a try: apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core [11:14] done alkisg, should I try restarting now? [11:14] fyi I'd be happy enough getting things working with nv [11:15] Well, I don't really know what your problem was, but this command fixes some things that broke today... so sure, you can try rebooting... [11:15] ok thanks alot for your help alkisg, it's looking a lot more promising [11:22] alkisg, I've booted in low graphics mode on and old kernel. This is good enough for me for the time being. Thanks! [11:22] Hew, you're welcome [11:24] Hew: i know, the hidden grub sucks :( [11:25] it should say 'press shift for menu' or something [11:25] thanks for your help too BUGabundo_work :-) [11:38] until yesterday everthing was just fine and today there are many applications malfunctioning [11:42] Hi, is there a time-schedule on a webpage somewhere that lists when things in next version of ubuntu happens? like when will the first alpha (or what is is valled) that you don't have to compile yourself be released and things [11:42] !release [11:42] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [11:42] otherwise check the topic [11:43] oh oups.. there is allready an alpha :-} === Hew_ is now known as Hew [11:53] zoobox: forget the alphas. go for dailies [12:01] Hi all, pls do you know which sound system is used in Ubuntu 9.10? [12:02] rrob: pulseaudio [12:02] thanx [12:03] And alsa controls tools didnt work right now, isnt it? [12:04] pulseaudio still uses alsa behind the scene as far as i understand [12:06] Im googling how to switch default soundcard. [12:06] hey guys...how do you pull up "About Ubuntu" via termina? [12:07] coz_: do you have icon on desktop? [12:07] me not, i have erased it [12:07] rrob, no I dont [12:07] create new user, logon as him, you will have icon on panel [12:08] right click - properties and you will see command how to run about ubuntu [12:08] rrob, the reason I am asking is that "About Ubuntu" window opens with nothing in it and the cursor is excessively jumpy [12:08] aaaa pardon, i think that you speak about ubuntu help [12:08] i wanted to see any errors that may show up [12:08] rrob, no not ubuntu help [12:09] understand, sorry, dont know [12:09] no problem [12:10] coz_: I found second button - gnome-about .) its package === BUGabundo_work is now known as BUGabundo_lunch [12:11] rrob, apparenlty the error is yelp ghelp:about-ubuntu [12:11] the command is yelp ghelp:about-ubuntu [12:12] rather Yelper initialization failed for 0x97f0298 [12:13] sry, more googling [12:13] coz_: [12:14] yelp ghelp:about-ubuntu [12:14] Ian_Corne, yep got that thanks :) [12:14] also found bug report [12:14] and my problem .) ... I found some cli commands how to switch default sound card via alsa, but they didnt work. Does anybody know some tool which can switch cards? gui or cli? [12:15] 9.10 or 10.04? [12:15] rrob, is there an onboard card as well? [12:15] 9.10 [12:15] coz_: yes [12:15] onboard and audigy [12:15] I want make shortcut for switching them. [12:15] i'll have to redirect you to #ubuntu then rrob [12:16] rrob, I have not seen anything to switch cards although you could disable the onboard via the bios [12:16] rrob, you could also try #also channel or ##linus [12:16] ##linux [12:16] you can switch it via standart soundcard gui, but its about 5clicks [12:17] i need to simplify it [12:17] ok, im going to #ubu, bye [12:17] the whole lucid cycle everything was fine but today's updates were a disaster any specific package invloved? [12:21] geez, the new 'me menu' takes up too much space on my panel === deegee_1 is now known as deegee === BUGabundo_lunch is now known as BUGabundo_work [13:20] Ian_Corne: next time send him to #ubuntu-audio-help [13:22] aha [13:22] ok :) [13:26] heu moar ubuntu channels? [13:30] Ian_Corne: acicula: usually dtchen is around their, and since the backlog is smaller, it makes it easier to be supported === Oli``` is now known as Oli`` === Oli`` is now known as Oli``` === Oli``` is now known as Oli```` === Oli```` is now known as Oli`` [14:38] can someone help me with udev, i cant figure out how to write a rules for my mouse (converting from fdi file) [14:41] for some reason, wifi does not discover connections.. if i use "connect to a hidden network" and enter the information, i can connect just fine, but as soon as i disconnect, i have to repeat the process.. also it is not a hidden network since i can connect just fine in karmc.. === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna === yofel_ is now known as yofel === festis is now known as festis_ === festis_ is now known as festis [17:11] could I get some help? my wired eth0 wont work in lucid [17:12] ifconfig [17:12] and it shows the eth0 module but doesnt see router [17:12] worked fine before upgrade [17:13] or can someone point me to a network setup command [17:13] or wiki [17:14] ibkanat: what card is it ? [17:14] lspci -b | pastebinit [17:14] lspci -v | pastebinit , actually [17:15] lets see nvidia MCP51 built into my asus motherboard [17:15] kernel driver in use forcedeth [17:16] u may also ask asac in #ubuntu-mozillateam [17:16] he is the guy behind NM [17:16] capaiblities acess denied [17:16] is it a permissions issue I added networking to my user [17:19] is there a wiki for troubleshooting? === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [17:27] anyone else have tips [17:28] netmanger shows connected but cant ping router [17:28] after I set the ip with ifconfig [17:29] if I could just get it to work for a little bit to update ..... ahhhhhhhhhhh [17:30] ibkanat: which one do *you* want to use NM or ifconfig? [17:30] they compete, that is to say Network manager takes over [17:30] I would like NM to work [17:30] anything is fine [17:30] then NM it is [17:31] what you you have in your /etc/network/interfaces [17:31] (please pastebin it) [17:31] hard to paste bin since no net [17:32] just auto lo and [17:32] iface lo inet loopback [17:33] should I add eth0 auto? [17:33] would it look like iface eth0 auto? [17:35] should I add it static? [17:36] just added iface eth0 inet dhcp [17:36] ibkanat: you should not do anything yet ;) [17:36] is that right? [17:36] oop [17:36] ok, then, troubleshoot it, let me know how it goes [17:38] no I will remove and wait doesnt work [17:38] ready [17:41] should I wait for help? [17:48] anyone else care to help? [17:53] FYI nvidia users: [17:52] BUGabundo_work: sure, it should be safe to upgrade. Note: after the upgrade (just to be safe) reinstall xserver-xorg-core === seren is now known as seren__ === repete is now known as rep-eat === FFForever-Away is now known as FFForever [18:24] hi there! === sal is now known as Guest59395 === noel is now known as NoelJB [19:16] hey. after the last kernel update a day ago, my '3' key causes a restart when used in an open program .. any ideas? [20:01] Anyone around?, I disabled the indicator applet and messaging app (Don't like it...) anyways how do i get the pidgin tray icon back?, last time i asked #pidgin they said you guys mod the source and won't help..., Also i know this is not #ubuntu but #ubuntu slides to fast and no one know hows to put the tray icon [20:03] FFForever: Tools → Preferences → Always show system tray icon? [20:03] * FFForever kicks self [20:03] I didn't see that before =\ [20:05] * jpds hugs FFForever. [20:06] How do you get on irc from your ds? [20:11] FFForever: DS? [20:12] i guess its not initials ds? [20:12] No. [20:12] I see [20:12] Just a nick. [20:12] whats it stand for? [20:12] Nothing. [20:13] Ahhh cool [20:13] What do you think mine is? [20:15] !ot | FFForever [20:15] FFForever: #ubuntu+1 handles support for the development version of Ubuntu. Please join #ubuntu for all other Ubuntu support. Chat in #ubuntu-offtopic. [20:16] sorry xD [20:26] bah [20:26] nvidia still DOA [20:26] Hello, BUGabundo [20:26] hey charlie-tca [20:27] BUGabundo: Dogs On Acid? [20:28] $ pastebinit /var/log/jockey.log [20:28] http://paste.ubuntu.com/355687/ [20:28] arand: or my fav, dead on arrival [20:29] BUGabundo, any idea why my monitor is not turning off during shutdown? everything else seems to shutdown fine, but the monitor is left hanging on, machine wont turn off [20:29] no [20:29] ati ratheon [20:29] thx [20:30] bug? [20:30] * charlie-tca just guessing [20:31] charlie-tca: yes? [20:31] BUGabundo, what about nvidia? [20:31] NoelJB: can't get 3D :( [20:31] guessing at burzki's issue [20:31] is it a bug? [20:31] ahh not me then [20:31] ehe [20:31] darn nick [20:32] BUGabundo, I have nvidia-current installed, and the compiz desktop cube rotates. Raise on rotate is not working. And I do get a warning from VMware that GL isn't available. [20:32] So something is b0rked. [20:33] the entire X and nvidia [20:33] at least you got 3D [20:34] But apparently not everything. NONE of the GL screensavers renders. [20:34] The only 3D effect I can see is the rotating desktop cube. [20:35] BUGabundo, from what I see in the change logs as updates come out, there are definite issues related to GL. [20:38] charlie-tca, i imagine, though i dont know where to start looking for what the error would be. started after an update several days ago [20:38] probably go away on its own too [20:38] have been fussing with ati/radeon/fglrx packages .. [20:38] eventually i imagine .. [20:38] pain in the arse now, i cant shitdown w/o hard poweroff [20:39] *shutdown. sorry [20:40] after yesterdays kernel upgrade, now my #three key causes a restart .. [20:40] BUGabundo: what is the bug on nvidia? [20:40] silly [20:40] no idea charlie-tca [20:40] Hmmm, it won't install from a new install today either [20:42] * BUGabundo shouts: stupid postgres [20:43] So far, though, lucid looks OK. Suspend/resume are b0rked. AW wants me to try without the real nvidia driver, so I'll give one of the toys are try for completeness. [20:43] how the heck do you purge a package that insistes in running dpkg --reconfigure 1st, but fails post install script ?!? [20:43] dpkg --purge doesn't work? [20:43] normal unistall? [20:44] nope [20:44] BUGabundo: Easy. You edit the postinst script! [20:44] just asks to run --configure .a [20:44] I know [20:44] that's what I'm doint next RAOF [20:45] but will keep all the cruft of postgress [20:45] and a Stock program [20:45] due to a bad post install script [20:45] heck, I'm hacking apt db instead [20:45] takes less time [20:46] hope next release fixes this [20:46] bug reported any way [20:46] No, you just edit the postinst script to not fail, then purge as normal. [20:46] humm [20:47] RAOF: if only I knew where the post install script is [20:49] BUGabundo, what about dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq ? [20:51] BUGabundo: It's in /var/lib/dpkg/info [20:51] found it [20:51] BUGabundo: With all the other dpkg stuff :) [20:51] thanks to mlocate [20:52] thanks RAOF, for putting up with me, and my rattings [20:52] is 64deg c to hot to be running my laptop? [20:52] STUPID STUPID bug [20:53] tries to remove a dir that doesn't exist [20:53] I'm bashing the darn dev [20:53] pasjr: mine is at 58 GPU [20:53] CPU at 51 [20:53] its ~8ºC room temperature [20:54] ok I have it running at 2.30GHz and its temp is 64deg C just making sure its ok [20:54] pasjr: No, not at all. My ASUS runs between 70℃ and 90℃ under load. [20:54] (It triggers the emergency shutdown once it hits 90℃, though) [20:55] i used to be able to control the fan and temp in 9.04 but not in 10.04, or atleast I have not found the correct config for it [20:56] in 9.04 i could run 2.30GHz at 45degC [20:56] managed to get kde 4.4 back up and running after doing a hiatus on gnome for the last 3 days [20:56] BUGabundo, apparently, we're missing libGLU.so.1 [20:56] tell me about it NoelJB :( [20:56] bug 506618 [20:56] Launchpad bug 506618 in jockey "Jockey failed to install nvidia current drivers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506618 [20:57] 10.04 seems a little better with the recent updates, but i lost software center, but can access it via Ubuntu Tweak [20:57] charlie-tca, I have nvidia-current installed. [20:57] more likely bug 494166 [20:57] it installed fine, as far as I can tell. [20:57] Launchpad bug 494166 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "[lucid] nvidia-glx can't work with new xorg 7.5" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494166 [20:57] is that normal right now? [20:58] damn jockey , it's flaky and should be depracated or dropped ...ppl are much better off to stop X in a tty and remove the old and install the current driver [20:58] BUGabundo, not that one for me, either. [20:59] BUGabundo, simply run apt-get install nvidia-current [20:59] BluesKaj, it is under modification and will be updated soon [20:59] bjsnider, any idea why we're getting libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. [20:59] NoelJB: already have that [20:59] well, i hope so bjsnider , i had to do the above to rescue my setup [21:00] but its 2D [21:00] NoelJB, negative [21:00] BluesKaj, you are using an unstable distro [21:00] bjsnider, /usr/lib/GL is populated, but that libGLU is missing from wherever it was intended to come (mesa?) [21:00]