[00:05] <pleia2> cjohnston: I thought you PMed him :)
[00:14] <nigelbabu> ok, I got disconnected
[00:14] <nigelbabu> did anyone say something to nigel_nb ? ;)
[00:15] <Pendulum> nope
[00:15] <nigelbabu> :)
[00:20] <nigelbabu> pleia2, user days comes under learning team?
[00:20] <pleia2> nigelbabu: learning and classroom, that's why we organize it here :)
[00:21] <nigelbabu> pleia2, okay, thats the tie
[00:21] <nigelbabu> pleia2, how much more time for meeting?
[00:21] <pleia2> 1 hr 40 minutes
[00:22] <nigelbabu> 7:30...hm, lemme finish packing then
[00:23] <pleia2> :)
[00:42] <_marx_> hey alinuxfan good to see you again
[00:47] <cjohnston> pleia2: i havent heard anything.. wasnt sure if you did
[00:48] <pleia2> nope
[00:52] <nhandler> I just confirmed, config file goes to jono
[00:52] <pleia2> nhandler: ok, thanks
[00:53] <cjohnston> thanks nhandler
[00:55] <cjohnston> pleia2 Pendulum _marx_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/Meetings/01112010
[00:55] <cjohnston> I know its last minute.. but got anything to add?
[00:55] <_marx_> no
[00:56] <alinuxfan> hey _marx_ , just got back from my brother's wedding
[00:56] <pleia2> cjohnston: updated
[00:58] <_marx_> alinuxfan: cool man I should have done that in the team channel we're about to have a ubunutu users day meeting here
[01:02] <cjohnston> I see pleia2 and _marx_ but i dont see Pendulum
[01:02] <_marx_> present
[01:02] <cjohnston> you got me a present?
[01:03] <pleia2> :)
[01:03] <_marx_> ah, no sorry about that
[01:03] <cjohnston> uggh
[01:04] <_marx_> charcoal?
[01:04] <cjohnston> lol
[01:04] <_marx_> lol back at ya!
[01:05] <cjohnston> ok... well.. do we want to go on and start and hopefully Pendulum will show up?
[01:05] <pleia2> yeah
[01:05]  * _marx_ nods
[01:05] <cprofitt> the meeting is at 9pm yes?
[01:05] <pleia2> cjohnston: yeah, this is the user days meeting
[01:05] <cjohnston> cprofitt: this is the User Days meeting..
[01:05] <pleia2> err cprofitt
[01:05] <_marx_> cprofitt: yes this is uud
[01:05] <pleia2> tabfail++
[01:05] <cjohnston> The team meeting is at 9
[01:06] <cprofitt> not sure I got any notice for that one...
[01:06] <cjohnston> cprofitt: its mostly just the 4 of us talkin..
[01:06] <cprofitt> k
[01:06] <cjohnston> feel free to hang out and give input though
[01:06] <_marx_> first hour is intro, what's that going to be like?
[01:07] <cjohnston> Hellow/MagicFab courses - cjohnston
[01:07] <pleia2> cjohnston: do you want me to email MF?
[01:07] <cjohnston> Hellow still doesn't have a topic idea for himself, and mentioned to me a couple days ago about removing his name.. I have no problem with this of course... but wanted to try to get any last course ideas
[01:07] <cjohnston> sure pleia2
[01:08] <pleia2> ok, I'll do that now
[01:08] <cjohnston> Sounds good..
[01:08] <_marx_> I'm planning on being around all day that day
[01:09] <cjohnston> any thoughts on a topic for Hellow?
[01:10] <pleia2> do we know where his strengths are?
[01:10] <pleia2> evening ZachK_
[01:10] <ZachK_> oh hello pleia2
[01:10] <cjohnston> I don't..
[01:10] <ZachK_> pleia2: what's up? I say that as you usually don't ping me
[01:11] <pleia2> ZachK_: user days meeting
[01:11] <ZachK_> right now?
[01:11] <pleia2> yep
[01:11] <ZachK_> oh sweet
[01:11] <pleia2> hey Hellow
[01:11] <ZachK_> ok...what's it about
[01:11] <cjohnston> hello Hellow
[01:12] <_marx_> hi Hellow
[01:12] <ZachK_> Hellow....what up dude
[01:12] <Hellow> Ohai thar.
[01:12] <cjohnston> Hellow: we are talking about you
[01:12] <cjohnston> ;-)
[01:12] <pleia2> trying to think of what new people would need to know about
[01:12]  * ZachK_ sharpens keyboard
[01:12] <cjohnston> We are trying to come up with a course for you..
[01:12] <ZachK_> pleia2: command line
[01:12] <PabloRubianes> Sorry i am late, hello
[01:12] <pleia2> ZachK_: covered
[01:12] <cjohnston> ZachK_: have you seen the schedule
[01:12] <pleia2> ZachK_: the schedule so far is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[01:12] <ZachK_> thanks pleia2 will look right......NOW!
[01:13] <cjohnston> I have also invited PabloRubianes to join in since he is half of the lead for the spanish UUD
[01:13] <_marx_> ZachK_: i have that but i'd love to talk to you about it
[01:13] <cjohnston> PabloRubianes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/Meetings/01112010
[01:13] <ZachK_> _marx_: about what?
[01:13] <pleia2> let me see if I can get cproffit back
[01:13] <ZachK_> cjohnston: did you say you're trying to get a course for me?
[01:13] <_marx_> what to cover how to present it etc
[01:13] <Hellow> This is an.. interesting time to be doing this.
[01:14] <pleia2> I'd like to see if he can let us know what he'll be covering in "equivalent" talk
[01:14] <cjohnston> ZachK_: no.. for Hellow
[01:14] <ZachK_> cjohnston: roger
[01:14] <cjohnston> Hellow: ?
[01:15] <ZachK_> _marx_:
[01:16] <pleia2> so I'm wondering if there is anything on the desktop itself we're not covering but would be interesting
[01:16] <ZachK_> :-D
[01:16] <cjohnston> PabloRubianes: do you all have any courses we dont have?
[01:16] <ZachK_> pleia2: can you pm me the scrollback of the meeting so far?
[01:17] <pleia2> Hellow: how are you at basic system configuration, explaining the differences between "preferences" and "administration" and what things you can edit?
[01:17] <doctormo> pleia2: This meeting is in 40mins right?
[01:17] <Hellow> Package management, command line, bash scripting, etc. programming languages, system config, desktop preferences, desktop config, etc.
[01:17] <ZachK_> doctormo: it's right now
[01:17] <cjohnston> doctormo: two different meetings.. this is user days team meeting
[01:17] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, this is just a sort of impromptu user days meeting
[01:17] <pleia2> Hellow: I am thinking "system config, desktop preferences, desktop config"
[01:18] <doctormo> Ah, *few* I meant ubuntu-learning meeting... i.e. the channel we're in ;-)
[01:18] <Hellow> desktop preferences could be a little hard, as there are three primary DE's for Ubuntu.
[01:18] <pleia2> Hellow: or whatever you think you can fit into an hour :)
[01:18] <pleia2> Hellow: we're focusing on Gnome
[01:18] <Hellow> Desktop config, in many ways, = desktop preferences
[01:18] <PabloRubianes> cjohnston: So far we have confirmed (Terminal, Join LoCo, Bugs report and equivalent software for Ubuntu)
[01:18]  * pleia2 nods
[01:18] <cjohnston> That sounds good..
[01:19] <cjohnston> PabloRubianes: thanks
[01:19] <cjohnston> Hellow: are you good with that?
[01:19] <Hellow> I am, but I don't know if I can make it fill an hour.
[01:19] <ZachK_> have you done how to set up movies/cd's or at least how to play them? I know that's like SUPER easy but some users just don't know how
[01:19] <PabloRubianes> cjohnston: we are wainting for more presenters to confirm, for the spanish speaking people this is Holiday time
[01:20] <ZachK_> and wireless is always a good one
[01:20] <Hellow> Oh god wireless.
[01:20] <cjohnston> gotcha PabloRubianes
[01:20] <pleia2> Hellow: haha
[01:20] <ZachK_> What....what did I say?
[01:21]  * ZachK_ said, "Wireless"
[01:21] <cjohnston> wireles
[01:21] <cjohnston> s
[01:21]  * pleia2 gets the impression that Hellow doesn't want to do the wireless talk :)
[01:21] <Hellow> Exactly. Never use "wireless" and "linux" in the same sentence/context.
[01:21] <ZachK_> Haha
[01:21] <cjohnston> So we have some ideas that you should be able to make something out of Hellow ?
[01:21] <cjohnston> mine works
[01:21] <Hellow> Possibly.
[01:21] <cjohnston> right no
[01:21] <cjohnston> w
[01:21] <pleia2> cjohnston: hehe
[01:21] <_marx_> lernid
[01:22] <cjohnston> im on a laptop in bed with the wife who is PASSED OUT
[01:22] <pleia2> mine too, so I don't mess with it ;)
[01:22] <Hellow> I'm *best* with everything that's already taken :P.
[01:22] <cjohnston> I want her drugs
[01:22] <ZachK_> pleia2: has anyone covered server/Firebird?
[01:22] <pleia2> ZachK_: no, but we're trying to keep this pretty basic
[01:22] <ZachK_> pleia2: oh.....ok then
[01:22] <Hellow> Yeah, that's a little advanced.
[01:22] <ZachK_> nevermind
[01:22] <cjohnston> II. Confirm Schedule - cjohnston
[01:22] <ZachK_> I'll just keep quiet then
[01:23] <_marx_> hum i was planning on alpine...
[01:23] <Hellow> I'll have a decision on my topic up on the UserDays wiki tomorrow.
[01:23] <cjohnston> Right now, I haven't recieved any negative feedback on the current schedule as set..
[01:23] <cjohnston> thanks Hellow !
[01:23] <cjohnston> glad we could keep you in this
[01:23] <pleia2> Hellow: great, thanks
[01:24] <cjohnston> I will email everyone and confirm that the schedule works for them.. Anyone have any issues with it the way it stands now?
[01:24] <pleia2> cjohnston: nope, looks good
[01:24] <_marx_> first hour is intros?
[01:24] <cjohnston> _marx_: getting there
[01:25] <cjohnston> actually thats next
[01:25] <_marx_> so how do we use that hour
[01:25] <cjohnston> III. Plan Intro - [[cjohnston]]
[01:25] <pleia2> I am starting to think we need to use that hour to give a lernid demo
[01:25] <cjohnston> pleia2: i know at one point we talked and you said you had some stuff we could work with
[01:25] <duanedesign> _marx_: alpine is neat. I saw someone asking about mutt earlier
[01:26] <pleia2> cjohnston: yeah, I was thinking of using some of the material from the intro to the open week
[01:26] <cjohnston> pleia2: AlanBell (I think) had made the suggestion that we dont tailor this to lernid due to the possibility of having people on windows
[01:26] <cjohnston> or people who dont know how to install lernid
[01:26] <cjohnston> via a ppa
[01:26] <pleia2> jono always does an introduction
[01:26] <Hellow> Wait, are we using lernid on this?
[01:26] <cjohnston> he isnt availbale
[01:26] <cjohnston> available
[01:26] <pleia2> right, he doesn't have to do it :)
[01:26] <pleia2> we can
[01:26] <cjohnston> one day ill learn to spell
[01:26] <pleia2> but a similiar thing is what I had in mind
[01:26]  * _marx_ votes no on lernid
[01:27] <cjohnston> I was tryin to be funny.. but didnt come out
[01:27] <_marx_> new users will have to learn how to enable a ppa
[01:27] <cjohnston> we do have jcastro tho
[01:27] <pleia2> _marx_: no to using it at all, or no to telling people about it and how to use it?
[01:27] <chitchatcurtis> what is it
[01:27] <Hellow> ...actually, I think that might be my topic. Using apt-get/aptitude.
[01:27] <_marx_> pleia2: no as default
[01:27] <cjohnston> If people want to use it on their own its fine, but I don't think we should 'support' it
[01:27] <Hellow> Or general package management.
[01:27] <pleia2> the karmic intro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekKarmic/Intro
[01:28] <ZachK_> gotta go folks....chores
[01:28] <Pendulum> I agree with cjohnston
[01:28] <pleia2> _marx_: I agree it shouldn't be default
[01:28] <cjohnston> pleia2: !
[01:28] <cjohnston> oops.. tab fail
[01:28] <cjohnston> Pendulum: !
[01:28] <pleia2> hey Pendulum
[01:28] <Pendulum> hi, sorry, I've been somewhat reading, but things are moving fast and my brain has decided to stop moving fast ;)
[01:28] <chitchatcurtis> what is this site all about
[01:28] <ZachK_> pleia2: i wish to speak with you in say an hour or so? that acceptable
[01:28] <Hellow> Pendulum, More coffee always works.
[01:28] <duanedesign> Hellow: i know i used ubuntu for 2 years before i realized you could type just 'aptitude' and get the ncurses package manager window
[01:28] <pleia2> ZachK_: sure, I'll be around
[01:29] <Hellow> duanedesign, LOL.
[01:29] <Pendulum> Hellow: no coffee. it'd be bad.
[01:29] <ZachK_> pleia2: in an hour then.....bye team
[01:29] <cjohnston> duanedesign: i didnt know that.... lol
[01:29] <cjohnston> bye ZachK_
[01:29] <cjohnston> didnt care to... i dont think.. but didnt know that
[01:29] <pleia2> Hellow: maybe installing packages in general?
[01:29] <pleia2> Hellow: apt, aptitude, synaptic, software center
[01:29] <Pendulum> installing packages is good
[01:30] <Pendulum> (as an idea for something to do)
[01:30] <Hellow> pleia2, I think general package management would be useful, but focus upon installing packages yes.
[01:30] <cjohnston> that sounds good
[01:30] <Hellow> Adding repositories through the command line and software sources, using software center, using apt to install, remove, upgrade, and dist-upgrade, etc.
[01:30] <chitchatcurtis> wow this is fast
[01:31] <cjohnston> maybe we can move things around too.. and get that earlier in the day
[01:31] <pleia2> Hellow: I'd also touch base with paultag, his class is about finding trusted software
[01:31] <_marx_> Hellow: I wasn't going to cover that in cli basics
[01:31]  * Hellow headdesk
[01:31] <chitchatcurtis> am I here?
[01:31] <cjohnston> is that sarcasm?
[01:31] <pleia2> chitchatcurtis: we're having a meeting about the upcoming Ubuntu User Day: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[01:31] <Hellow> This is going to be interesting.
[01:31] <_marx_> indeed
[01:31] <chitchatcurtis> o I c
[01:32] <cjohnston> So maybe more with software center and stuff and less with cli?
[01:32] <Hellow> There's not much left to that topic if you take out the command line part of it.. :P.
[01:32] <cjohnston> Hellow: cover 16 smaller topics in one hour
[01:32] <cjohnston> heh
[01:32] <Hellow> Oh great.
[01:32] <Hellow> :P
[01:32] <cjohnston> ;-)
[01:33] <_marx_> Hellow: I'm planning on installing mc and lynx
[01:33] <pleia2> hehe
[01:33] <Hellow> _marx_, In that case, I could cover the more detailed/advanced features of aptitude and apt?
[01:33] <_marx_> apt-cache and apt-show?
[01:34] <chitchatcurtis> this looks like it is over my head for now lol
[01:34] <Hellow> Those too.
[01:34] <cjohnston> lets get back to the intro please.. we are limited on time with the learning meeting immediatly after this
[01:34] <_marx_> Hellow: we should talk some what hour do you have?
[01:34] <Hellow> But, more like upgrade, dist-upgrade, remove, purge, check, *clean, etc.
[01:34] <_marx_> intro yes
[01:35] <Hellow> _marx_, 0:00 UTC, if that is what you mean.
[01:35] <cjohnston> So we need to write an intro and decide how we want to present the intro....
[01:35] <_marx_> Hellow: yes
[01:35] <cjohnston> pleia2: provided a link to the karmic intro for reference
[01:35] <Hellow> Although I could easily do earlier :P.
[01:35]  * _marx_ waits on cjohnston 
[01:35] <cjohnston> whatcha waiting on
[01:35] <pleia2> the karmic intro is good, I'd like to see something similar for ours
[01:36] <cjohnston> ok.. i dont know that i have read it. so i will read it later..
[01:36] <pleia2> ok
[01:36] <Hellow> Where's the intro at?
[01:36] <Hellow> :P
[01:36] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekKarmic/Intro
[01:36] <cjohnston> ^^
[01:37] <Hellow> So we're using the same general intro as the Ubuntu Open Week?
[01:37] <pleia2> something similar, yeah
[01:37] <pleia2> I am proposing anyway :)
[01:37] <cjohnston> sounds good...
[01:37] <cjohnston> and how do we want to present the intro?
[01:38] <cjohnston> each of us gets a part?
[01:38] <pleia2> yeah, I'd say so
[01:38] <pleia2> evening swoody
[01:38] <cjohnston> ok.. so we can work on writing the intro.. and then assign parts to it..
[01:38]  * pleia2 nods
[01:38] <cjohnston> parts of it to each person..
[01:38] <swoody> hello pleia2 :)
[01:38] <Pendulum> yeah, that makes sense
[01:39] <cjohnston> who wants to work on writing the intro?
[01:39] <chitchatcurtis> hey can I say something as a newby?
[01:39] <cjohnston> sure chitchatcurtis
[01:39] <pleia2> chitchatcurtis: sure
[01:40] <cjohnston> anyone?
[01:40] <pleia2> cjohnston: ok ok, I'll have a draft by friday
[01:40] <chitchatcurtis> there are some out the as I that are very new to this so basics are great.
[01:40] <cjohnston> pleia2: ok.. I will try to help you with it too.. :-)
[01:40] <Pendulum> pleia2: feel free to poke me if you want a hand or want me to do it
[01:40] <_marx_> cjohnston: I kinda thought the intro would be the four of us that started this mess would just introduce ourselves
[01:41] <pleia2> ok, I'll prep it on the wiki so you can all see my progress
[01:41] <cjohnston> _marx_: we have an hour
[01:41] <cjohnston> pleia2: sounds good
[01:41] <cjohnston> _marx_: that will be part of it thought
[01:41] <_marx_> k
[01:41] <chitchatcurtis> it may be redundant to some but very helpful to many
[01:42] <cjohnston> chitchatcurtis: that is the whole point of this
[01:42] <cjohnston> IV. Discuss how we want to run the day
[01:42] <chitchatcurtis> ok
[01:42] <_marx_> for me one part is that i've only met y'all here on IRC
[01:42] <pleia2> _marx_: weren't you at SELF?
[01:42] <_marx_> yes
[01:42] <pleia2> we met :)
[01:43]  * cjohnston needs to start meeting people
[01:43] <pleia2> akgraner introduced us, I'm Lyz from the pennsylvania loco
[01:43]  * _marx_ runs memtest on his brain
[01:43] <pleia2> hehe
[01:43] <cjohnston> What I have invisioned in how we will run this is get each instructor to give us a little intro to themselves, in which one of us will use that to introduce each instructor at the beginning of the hour
[01:44] <cjohnston> s/the hour/their hour
[01:44] <pleia2> _marx_: http://princessleia.com/images/journalpics/062009/self_local_bof.jpg I'm third from the left, waving a pen around
[01:44] <_marx_> pleia2: oh yeah! sector 2367
[01:44] <pleia2> I think you're sitting 2 seats away from me there
[01:45] <pleia2> sorry, tangent
[01:45] <_marx_> cjohnston: sounds good
[01:45] <pleia2> yep, sounds good
[01:46] <cjohnston> pleia2: how are questions normally done at the events? instructor tracks and copies/pastes and answers them, or should we copy questions into -classroom for them?
[01:46] <pleia2> cjohnston: it's up to the instructor
[01:46] <pleia2> we ask them whether they want to do it themselves or not
[01:46] <cjohnston> ok...
[01:46] <_marx_> questions are asked in the chat channel
[01:46] <Hellow> From what I've seen, the channel is in auditorium mode and questions are asked in chat, responded to in the main channel.
[01:46] <pleia2> Hellow: yep
[01:46] <Hellow> Or something like that.
[01:47] <Hellow> ...err, is it auditorium mode? Does freenode even have that?
[01:47] <_marx_> sometimes there is a moderator to pass them on to the classroom
[01:47] <Hellow> :P
[01:47] <cjohnston> should we try to get that information prior to the day, or at the start of each class?
[01:47] <Hellow> It might be just +m.
[01:47] <Pendulum> probably not this week, but next week should we decide who is introducing each session? (I think we should meet next week)
[01:47] <cjohnston> Pendulum: agreed..
[01:47] <pleia2> cjohnston: we tend to do it right before each session as we're prepping the instructor
[01:47] <cjohnston> ok pleia2 sounds good
[01:47] <pleia2> that way they'll have an idea of the crowd - if it's really busy that day they might need help
[01:47] <pleia2> otherwise it might be eaiser just for them to do it
[01:47] <cjohnston> V. Inform instructors about Lernid?
[01:48] <cjohnston> Sorry for rushing..
[01:48] <pleia2> np
[01:48] <cjohnston> I say -1...
[01:48] <Hellow> I believe you have 12 minutes left :P.
[01:48] <Hellow> Or something like that.
[01:48] <cjohnston> maybe let them know it exists but that we arent supporting it?
[01:48] <pleia2> nhandler and nigel_nb were working on this, getting us an ical thing made and stuff in case we wanted to give people the opportunity to use it
[01:48] <nigel_nb> we are creating an event Hellow
[01:49] <nigel_nb> lernid can be used, but we assume that people won't have it
[01:49] <nigel_nb> sorry to be late ;)
[01:49] <cjohnston> I dont have a problem creating the event.. but i say no to the slides and such
[01:49] <_marx_> no prob nigel_nb
[01:49] <pleia2> nigel_nb: no worries, this is just our little user days meeting, learning project meeting isn't for another 10 minutes :)
[01:49] <nigel_nb> if the start times and end times are ready, jono will get the config file on the server and it will be listed as an event
[01:49] <_marx_> what is our audience?
[01:49] <cjohnston> beginners
[01:49] <_marx_> or who?
[01:49] <cjohnston> new people
[01:50] <cjohnston> maybe never used ubuntu
[01:50] <_marx_> so adding a ppa is ...?
[01:50] <Hellow> Part of what I was going to teach :P.
[01:50] <Pendulum> I think it might be something worth teaching, but not something we should expect them to have done
[01:50] <cjohnston> that should be covered throughout the course of the day
[01:50] <pleia2> _marx_: maybe someone else will install it for them if they're recommending they attend the day :)
[01:51] <cjohnston> 10 minutes
[01:51] <nigel_nb> pleia2, I know, I'm here for the user days meeting
[01:51] <Hellow> Is there a website that lists instructions on getting and using Lernid?
[01:51] <_marx_> Hellow: great
[01:51] <cjohnston> If nothing else, I say maybe shoot for lernid for the next UUD, this one, we can set it up, but I still say no slides, no fancy stuff....
[01:51] <Hellow> I know what it is, but eh.
[01:52] <pleia2> cjohnston: yeah, I agree
[01:52] <cjohnston> ok..
[01:52] <_marx_> +1 cjohnston
[01:52] <cjohnston> VI. Promoting UUD
[01:52] <Pendulum> +1
[01:52] <Hellow> +1 cjohnston
[01:52] <cjohnston> I have already blogged about it once..
[01:52] <cjohnston> its made it to UWN
[01:52] <cjohnston> and planet
[01:52] <pleia2> I was waiting to blog about it so they weren't all blogged at the same time
[01:52] <chitchatcurtis> but there are new users
[01:52] <pleia2> but I want to post something on the planet this week
[01:52] <pleia2> maybe wednesday
[01:52] <cjohnston> I owe PabloRubianes a post on the spanish version too
[01:53] <cjohnston> I will probably blog about it atleast one more time..
[01:53] <Pendulum> I can blog, but my blog isn't syndicated anywhere
[01:53] <cjohnston> Were else can we promote pleia2
[01:53] <PabloRubianes> the link is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiaDelUsuarioUbuntu
[01:53] <Hellow> I'll probably blog about it sometime later this week. Friday, perhaps.
[01:53] <pleia2> cjohnston: did it make it to the fridge?
[01:53] <Pendulum> twitter/identica
[01:53] <cjohnston> Pendulum: still better than nothing
[01:53] <cjohnston> pleia2: hmm
[01:53] <cjohnston> dunno
[01:53] <cjohnston> i dont think so pleia2
[01:53] <cjohnston> but dont quote me
[01:53] <Hellow> How does Open Week get promoted?
[01:53] <pleia2> nope
[01:53] <_marx_> i'll blog too but it's little read
[01:54] <pleia2> every bit helps
[01:54] <_marx_> Hellow: may i /msg
[01:54] <Hellow> _marx_, Sure.
[01:55] <cjohnston> pleia2: what else does UOW or UDW get?
[01:55] <Pendulum> so if pleia2 blogs friday, should I blog Monday of next week?
[01:55] <cjohnston> any idea?
[01:55] <pleia2> cjohnston: I think they tend to email the loco-contacts list too
[01:55] <Hellow> UOW *might* get put on the ubuntu.com front page, but uh. I don't know :P.
[01:55] <cjohnston> pleia2: is that something that we can do?
[01:56] <pleia2> cjohnston: email to loco-contacts? I think so, just frame it like "let your loco teams know"
[01:56] <pleia2> they are good at reaching new users
[01:56] <cjohnston> and also on (e)(k)ubuntu-users mailing lists
[01:56] <cjohnston> pleia2: thats a good though..
[01:56] <Pendulum> *nods*
[01:57] <pleia2> our focus is gnome, so I'm not sure about those other lists
[01:57] <pleia2> or if any would be appropriate for posting it on
[01:57] <chitchatcurtis> what about ubuntu business?
[01:57] <cjohnston> pleia2: still educating on cli, finding help, etc
[01:57] <PabloRubianes> we send letters to every spanish speaking LoCo Admin too, but in English is more dificult
[01:57] <Hellow> ubuntu-announce?
[01:57] <Hellow> I don't know if you can do that or not.
[01:57] <pleia2> I'm not sure either
[01:58] <cjohnston> pleia2: could you investigate that
[01:58] <Hellow> ubuntu-news too.
[01:58] <cjohnston> you would be the one to know
[01:58] <cjohnston> who to talk to
[01:59] <pleia2> yeah, I'll see what I can figure out
[01:59] <cjohnston> the last topic is just me saying im going to send out another email asking for an overview/outline from the instructors to post on the wiki page
[01:59] <pleia2> ok great
[01:59] <cjohnston> last thing.. 10 seconde
[01:59] <cjohnston> seconds
[01:59] <cjohnston> next meeitng
[02:00] <cjohnston> thoughts?
[02:00] <Hellow> This is going to be /fun/.
[02:00] <cjohnston> same time next week?
[02:00] <_marx_> ditto
[02:01] <Pendulum> works for me
[02:01] <cjohnston> _marx_ pleia2 ?
[02:01] <pleia2> no good for me, but I'll catch up
[02:01]  * _marx_ good
[02:01] <cjohnston> ok.. we will discuss later
[02:01] <pleia2> my mother is visiting, but my schedule is pretty crazy for the next few weeks anyway
[02:01] <cjohnston> ok.. we will discuss later
[02:01] <cjohnston> #end
[02:01] <pleia2> thanks cjohnston
[02:02] <cjohnston> thanks all
[02:02] <pleia2> ok UCLP folks - meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now :)
[02:02] <cjohnston> crack that whip
[02:02] <Hellow> *crack*
[02:03] <pleia2> dinda1: UCLP meeting over in #ubuntu-meeting :)
[02:04] <pleia2> doctormo?
[02:06] <pleia2> bah, no doctormo or cprofitt
[02:06] <pleia2> Vantrax?
[02:06] <doctormo> pleia2: sorry about that
[02:06] <doctormo> Are we having it in here?
[02:06] <pleia2> in -meeting
[02:06] <pleia2> haven't started yet though
[02:06] <pleia2> dunno where cprofitt disappeared to
[02:11] <Vantrax> I am around kinda
[02:12] <ZachK_> back
[02:21] <cjohnston> UUD people: pleia2 Pendulum _marx_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/Meetings/01112010
[03:01] <nigel_nb> pleia2, how did the meeting go?
[03:02] <pleia2> nigel_nb: it was an excellent meeting :) I'm very excited
[03:02] <nigel_nb> my screen was flickering too much for me to understand what was going on
[03:02] <pleia2> aww
[03:02] <nigel_nb> pleia2, I'm going to create a page for bzr + asciidoc
[03:02] <pleia2> on the wiki?
[03:02] <nigel_nb> on the wiki
[03:02] <pleia2> ok :)
[03:02] <nigel_nb> so we have something for new contributors
[03:02] <nigel_nb> I'll take it as my vacation project ;)
[03:03] <pleia2> sounds good
[03:03] <nigel_nb> probably finish of the bzr docs too...
[03:03] <nigel_nb> i'll be idling away at home
[03:03] <pleia2> :)
[03:04] <nigel_nb> who do i ask for course creator previleges on the moodle site?
[03:04] <pleia2> I can probably figure out how to do it
[03:05] <nigel_nb> ah, great :)
[03:05] <nigel_nb> doctormo, I moved to xubuntu instead of kubuntu ;)
[03:06] <pleia2> nigel_nb: thinking of doing the conversion of your class to moodle?
[03:07] <pleia2> wb cjohnston
[03:07] <pleia2> err cprofitt
[03:07] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: you need course creator rights?
[03:07] <pleia2> I am so bad with tabs today!
[03:07] <cprofitt> lol
[03:08] <nigel_nb> yes
[03:08] <nigel_nb> want to try it out
[03:08] <cprofitt> gah...
[03:08] <nigel_nb> cprofitt, wb
[03:08] <cprofitt> sorry is nigel_nb still here?
[03:08] <cprofitt> I hit the wrong key
[03:08] <nigel_nb> cprofitt, I'm thinking of converting my course to moodle
[03:08] <nigel_nb> haha
[03:08] <cprofitt> do you have an account yet on the site?
[03:08] <nigel_nb> yep
[03:09] <cprofitt> you are now a course creator
[03:09] <nigel_nb> cprofitt, thank you
[03:09]  * cprofitt hits his 'That was easy button"
[03:10] <pleia2> hehe
[03:10] <nigel_nb> cprofitt, I'll through the materials that you sent once I reach home
[03:10] <nigel_nb> ugh! the flickering is back again
[03:10] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: sounds good...
[03:10] <cprofitt> and ask me if you need help
[03:10]  * nigel_nb plans for doom of HP
[03:10] <cprofitt> but feel free to just play with it too
[03:11] <nigel_nb> cprofitt, I've done some work in Joomla and Drupal.  I hope it comes back to me
[03:13] <cprofitt> that will not be needed in Moodle... to be honest
[03:13] <pleia2> cjohnston: thanks for putting together those meeting minutes
[03:14] <nigel_nb> at least I'll have a generic idea
[03:14] <nigel_nb> pleia2, does the user days team have a Lp group?
[03:14] <duanedesign> cprofitt: sorry i got taken away from the meeting :)
[03:14] <pleia2> yeah
[03:15] <cprofitt> no problem duanedesign
[03:16] <pleia2> https://launchpad.net/~user-days-instructors
[03:16] <nigel_nb> pleia2, ah I'm there
[03:17] <pleia2> yep :)
[03:17] <nigel_nb> pleia2, I'll try promoting on ubuntu users planet
[03:17] <pleia2> great
[03:17] <pleia2> !
[03:17] <pleia2> I'll be blogging about it friday, I think Pendulum will on monday
[03:18] <nigel_nb> Pendulum, has a blog?
[03:18] <nigel_nb> oh
[03:19] <pleia2> I think she said she would be
[03:19] <pleia2> maybe I'm just making things up, I am kind of tired :)
[03:20] <pleia2> doctormo: have you seen the princess and the frog yet?
[03:21] <nigel_nb> Pendulum, lol, actuaIly hoped if u cud give me the url
[03:24] <nigel_nb> okay everyone.  I'm off for a vacation.  Gotta pack.  Touch base with you all when I get home.
[03:30] <pleia2> http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.20100111_2007.html
[03:30] <pleia2> mootbot is neat
[03:42] <cprofitt> pleia2: can you send the action items out on the mailing list?
[03:43] <pleia2> ok
[03:44] <cprofitt> thanks...
[03:44] <cprofitt> I think it is good for those subscribed to see our action items
[03:47] <pleia2> my siamese is standing right in front of my monitor in an attempt to get attention
[03:50] <pleia2> cprofitt: when you say "Ubuntu Educators site" you mean the ning page, right?
[03:51] <cprofitt> yes
[03:52] <pleia2> ok good
[04:12] <cprofitt> night all
[04:40] <doctormo> pleia2: Not yet, I did go see Shelock Holms though, which I thought was very good.
[04:41] <pleia2> yeah, sherlock holmes was fun
[04:42] <doctormo> The music was fantastic.
[05:47] <humphreybc> I wonder if the Ubuntu Community Learning Project would be interested in the Ubuntu Manual Project...
[05:47] <humphreybc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual
[05:50] <doctormo> humphreybc: Of course it is
[05:51] <humphreybc> Okay, well, let me introduce myself. I'm Benjamin Humphrey, the main project driver for the Manual project.
[05:51] <humphreybc> We are interested in collaborating with you guys to get official support behind our manual, and hopefully get it included in the Ubuntu CD.
[05:52] <humphreybc> Obviously it's a bit hard at the moment because we're still in development, but we are well ahead of schedule and our final product should look spectacular when it is released in April. We also should have it translated in 20+ languages.
[05:53] <humphreybc> We are still a relatively young project, but the Manual project could be the most ambitious and largest Ubuntu project in quite a while - involving the whole community. We have already had a lot of interest and are moving forward with development at a rapid pace.
[05:54] <humphreybc> I'd like to know how the Community Learning Project could help us out :)
[05:59] <doctormo> humphreybc: What is your technoledgy base?
[05:59] <humphreybc> We use LaTeX, bzr and po4a with rosetta to handle translations
[06:00] <humphreybc> Just browsing the Learning wiki, and it seems that we cover much of the stuff on this page in our manual. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/UbuntuDesktopTopics
[06:07] <doctormo> humphreybc: It might be that the manual will end up covering the same ground, but the structure of learning materials is such that we have to have demonstrations, teacher lesson plans, quizes and other things in place.
[06:07] <doctormo> humphreybc: We might even be able to share a lot of text, that would be very useful.
[06:07] <humphreybc> sure I don't mind that
[06:08] <humphreybc> How can the Learning project help us out?
[06:08] <doctormo> Although we write the materials in AsciiDoc which gets converted to DocBook xml for translations using rosetta.
[06:08] <humphreybc> nothing a copy and paste can't fix.
[06:09] <humphreybc> But I definitely see room for collaboration here.
[06:09] <doctormo> Collaboration :-) would you like a walk through?
[06:09] <humphreybc> a walkthrough of?
[06:09] <humphreybc> Learning project?
[06:11] <doctormo> humphreybc: Yes, how we're going to be making materials and how we'd teach them
[06:12] <humphreybc> sure, go for it
[06:12] <doctormo> By the way, didn't I see some of you guys at UDS?
[06:12] <humphreybc> I sort of got the general gist on the wiki, but if you'd like to explain more that would be great. Is the Learning project fairly new?
[06:13] <doctormo> humphreybc: The learning project's been around for almost a year, but resources have been a problem. Getting people on board who drive forwards etc.
[06:13] <humphreybc> Nope you wouldn't have, we started this project after UDS-L. I'd love to go to the next UDS but unfortunately won't be able to afford it unless I get sponsored.
[06:13] <humphreybc> right, sounds like you need a large project like the Manual to help out with content :)
[06:13] <doctormo> humphreybc: Then it must have been the Ubuntu Documentation team... they're going to be using Docbook xml directly and we're going to be using their scripts to do all our translations in rosetta.
[06:14] <doctormo> humphreybc: How big is the Manual project?
[06:14] <humphreybc> it's fairly large. We've got over 100 team members, which isn't bad for only existing for about one month. We've got a lot of contributors, translations into many languages. Have a look at LP: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[06:15] <humphreybc> We've also received a significant amount of media attention
[06:15] <doctormo> humphreybc: That might be why, we've been around for ages and have been ignored quit well.
[06:15] <doctormo> Which is very fustrating.
[06:16] <humphreybc> Ah, well, it's because I've been very busy promoting us :)
[06:16] <humphreybc> So your project is to hold classroom IRC sessions to teach people?
[06:17] <doctormo> humphreybc: Perhaps that's how you can help us, getting us people :-) and attention.
[06:17] <doctormo> Plus it's probably the case that your project's work neatly covers the desktop dection of the learning project.
[06:17] <doctormo> section*
[06:18] <humphreybc> well we've got a lot of content that you're welcome to use for your classroom sessions, but I'm not sure I want to divert contributors away from the manual right now as we are on a fairly tight schedule and need all the help we can get.
[06:18] <doctormo> But I can't see if you have any plans to write Community, SysAdmin or Programming/Contribution guides too.
[06:18] <humphreybc> No, we're not. We are aimed at new Ubuntu users who are migrating from Windows/Mac.
[06:18] <doctormo> What about users migrating from paper?
[06:19] <humphreybc> Well, we are also aimed at them too.
[06:19] <doctormo> :-)
[06:19] <humphreybc> Have you read the summary and justification sections on our main wiki page?
[06:19] <humphreybc> It's easier than me repeating it :)
[06:20] <doctormo> I have, don't mind me, I'm just grumpy, trying to get out of it now.
[06:21] <humphreybc> No worries.
[06:21] <humphreybc> I'd also like to add that we are separate from the docs team, at least for now.
[06:22] <humphreybc> They are a bit reluctant on the project because they seem to see it as a duplication of efforts, and also don't believe that this manual can succeed (apparently there was something similar to our project way back in 6.06 or something that failed)
[06:22] <doctormo> I remember it
[06:22] <doctormo> And I think their worry is that it won't be maintained
[06:22] <humphreybc> sure
[06:22] <doctormo> Which is always a problem.
[06:23] <humphreybc> Well, I can't talk for the future, but I'm fairly certain we won't have as many maintenance problems as the doc team
[06:23] <humphreybc> For a few reasons
[06:56] <humphreybc> 1) we use launchpad to manage everything, and we assign tasks to people. 2) everything is in one document, instead of spread out all over the places. 3) the leadership is clear cut. 4) we have an awesome wiki and amazing communication within the team. 5) the manual is designed from the ground up to be easily maintainable and 6) I'm in charge. :)
[06:58] <doctormo> humphreybc: Could you show me how you assign tasks?
[06:58] <humphreybc> we use blueprints: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[06:59] <humphreybc> basically, for the chapters, the author is assigned, and we have an editor set as the "approver"
[06:59] <humphreybc> we're still working on the editing stuff at the moment, but that's how it will work
[07:00] <doctormo> pleia2: Do you mind if I assign you a chapter as a blueprint?
[07:01] <humphreybc> currently there is only chapter 9 and 10 that are unassigned
[07:01] <humphreybc> the wiki table of contents page has more information on what these chapters contain
[07:02] <doctormo> Interesting
[07:03] <humphreybc> it's probably not a perfect system, but so far it has been rather effective
[07:04] <humphreybc> people are assigned things and everybody knows when each item is due. We have to have all the content in place by the 10th Februray.
[07:04] <humphreybc> the translations I never accounted for, but they've gone completely through the roof
[07:04] <humphreybc> we had to rush to get LaTeX working with rosetta because I was getting so many emails a day from people willing to help translate
[07:06] <doctormo> Sounds good
[13:52] <pleia2> I probably should have dropped a mail to the list when i discovered ubuntu-manual
[13:53] <pleia2> my hopes were similar to doctormo's http://doctormo.wordpress.com/?p=1772
[13:53] <pleia2> I think someone had mentioned it here, and that's how I knew about it
[14:47] <pleia2> regarding where we should announce things to promote UUD, dholbach gave this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityTeam/KnowledgeBase
[15:57] <DiegoTc> cjohnston: is there any log of yesterday meeting?
[16:10] <pleia2> DiegoTc: user days meeting or learning team?
[16:11] <pleia2> there are logs for both, just need to get you the right link :)
[16:37] <DiegoTc> pleia2: thanks
[16:37] <DiegoTc> and user days meeting
[16:38] <pleia2> DiegoTc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/Meetings/01112010
[16:38] <pleia2> minutes and log
[16:44] <DiegoTc> thanks :D
[22:47] <cjohnston> nhandler: ping
[22:47] <nhandler> cjohnston: pong
[22:48] <cjohnston> nhandler: you cant by chance do 0200 for user days can you?
[22:48] <cjohnston> Your avail says 0200
[22:48] <cjohnston> sorry.. 0300
[22:49] <cjohnston> not that I Want to move your course that late.. but im trying to slide in another course
[22:52] <nhandler> I would prefer not to go later than 0200 (especially if I am going to be answering questions during the session). I just want to make sure I am wide awake while giving the presentation.
[22:53] <nhandler> Just out of curiosity, what is the extra session?
[22:53] <cjohnston> magicfab
[22:53] <cjohnston> iirc picking hardware that works with ubuntu
[22:53] <nhandler> Is Hellow still giving a presentation? He is still listed as TBD
[22:53] <cjohnston> yes
[22:53] <Hellow> I'm working on it.
[22:53] <nhandler> :)
[22:54] <cjohnston> nhandler: you listed 0300-0500... thats why i ask
[22:55] <nhandler> I guess I could do 0300.
[22:55]  * Hellow updates the timetable
[22:55] <cjohnston> I need 0200
[22:55] <cjohnston> if thats not too late
[22:55]  * Hellow with his presentation
[22:55] <cjohnston> if it is, let me know
[22:56] <nhandler> I thought you just asked about 0300
[22:56] <cjohnston> I mistyped a little.. your avail says 0300 to 0500, and i need 0200 which falls out of what you listed avail
[22:57] <nhandler> That should work
[22:58] <nhandler> Once the wiki schedule is updated, poke me, and I'll update the calendar
[22:58] <cjohnston> poke
[22:59] <nhandler> :)
[22:59] <nhandler> Have a link handy?
[22:59] <cjohnston> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[23:00] <cjohnston> I have plenty of links handy.. which would you like
[23:00] <nhandler> The wiki is wrong. You put me at 01:00
[23:00] <nhandler> Who is at 23:00 ?
[23:00] <cjohnston> its fixed
[23:00] <cjohnston> I have to figure out who I can move to 2300
[23:01] <nhandler> Was my session the only one that changed so far?
[23:02] <cjohnston> I just moved another.
[23:02] <cjohnston> popey: ping
[23:02] <cjohnston> popey: can you do your course at 2200?
[23:03] <cjohnston> dinner... bbiaf