[00:05] cjohnston: I thought you PMed him :) [00:14] ok, I got disconnected [00:14] did anyone say something to nigel_nb ? ;) [00:15] nope [00:15] :) [00:20] pleia2, user days comes under learning team? [00:20] nigelbabu: learning and classroom, that's why we organize it here :) [00:21] pleia2, okay, thats the tie [00:21] pleia2, how much more time for meeting? [00:21] 1 hr 40 minutes [00:22] 7:30...hm, lemme finish packing then [00:23] :) [00:42] <_marx_> hey alinuxfan good to see you again [00:47] pleia2: i havent heard anything.. wasnt sure if you did [00:48] nope [00:52] I just confirmed, config file goes to jono [00:52] nhandler: ok, thanks [00:53] thanks nhandler [00:55] pleia2 Pendulum _marx_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/Meetings/01112010 [00:55] I know its last minute.. but got anything to add? [00:55] <_marx_> no [00:56] hey _marx_ , just got back from my brother's wedding [00:56] cjohnston: updated [00:58] <_marx_> alinuxfan: cool man I should have done that in the team channel we're about to have a ubunutu users day meeting here [01:02] I see pleia2 and _marx_ but i dont see Pendulum [01:02] <_marx_> present [01:02] you got me a present? [01:03] :) [01:03] <_marx_> ah, no sorry about that [01:03] uggh [01:04] <_marx_> charcoal? [01:04] lol [01:04] <_marx_> lol back at ya! [01:05] ok... well.. do we want to go on and start and hopefully Pendulum will show up? [01:05] yeah [01:05] * _marx_ nods [01:05] the meeting is at 9pm yes? [01:05] cjohnston: yeah, this is the user days meeting [01:05] cprofitt: this is the User Days meeting.. [01:05] err cprofitt [01:05] <_marx_> cprofitt: yes this is uud [01:05] tabfail++ [01:05] The team meeting is at 9 [01:06] not sure I got any notice for that one... [01:06] cprofitt: its mostly just the 4 of us talkin.. [01:06] k [01:06] feel free to hang out and give input though [01:06] <_marx_> first hour is intro, what's that going to be like? [01:07] Hellow/MagicFab courses - cjohnston [01:07] cjohnston: do you want me to email MF? [01:07] Hellow still doesn't have a topic idea for himself, and mentioned to me a couple days ago about removing his name.. I have no problem with this of course... but wanted to try to get any last course ideas [01:07] sure pleia2 [01:08] ok, I'll do that now [01:08] Sounds good.. [01:08] <_marx_> I'm planning on being around all day that day [01:09] any thoughts on a topic for Hellow? [01:10] do we know where his strengths are? [01:10] evening ZachK_ [01:10] oh hello pleia2 [01:10] I don't.. [01:10] pleia2: what's up? I say that as you usually don't ping me [01:11] ZachK_: user days meeting [01:11] right now? [01:11] yep [01:11] oh sweet [01:11] hey Hellow [01:11] ok...what's it about [01:11] hello Hellow [01:12] <_marx_> hi Hellow [01:12] Hellow....what up dude [01:12] Ohai thar. [01:12] Hellow: we are talking about you [01:12] ;-) [01:12] trying to think of what new people would need to know about [01:12] * ZachK_ sharpens keyboard [01:12] We are trying to come up with a course for you.. [01:12] pleia2: command line [01:12] Sorry i am late, hello [01:12] ZachK_: covered [01:12] ZachK_: have you seen the schedule [01:12] ZachK_: the schedule so far is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays [01:12] thanks pleia2 will look right......NOW! [01:13] I have also invited PabloRubianes to join in since he is half of the lead for the spanish UUD [01:13] <_marx_> ZachK_: i have that but i'd love to talk to you about it [01:13] PabloRubianes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/Meetings/01112010 [01:13] _marx_: about what? [01:13] let me see if I can get cproffit back [01:13] cjohnston: did you say you're trying to get a course for me? [01:13] <_marx_> what to cover how to present it etc [01:13] This is an.. interesting time to be doing this. [01:14] I'd like to see if he can let us know what he'll be covering in "equivalent" talk [01:14] ZachK_: no.. for Hellow [01:14] cjohnston: roger [01:14] Hellow: ? [01:15] _marx_: [01:16] so I'm wondering if there is anything on the desktop itself we're not covering but would be interesting [01:16] :-D [01:16] PabloRubianes: do you all have any courses we dont have? [01:16] pleia2: can you pm me the scrollback of the meeting so far? [01:17] Hellow: how are you at basic system configuration, explaining the differences between "preferences" and "administration" and what things you can edit? [01:17] pleia2: This meeting is in 40mins right? [01:17] Package management, command line, bash scripting, etc. programming languages, system config, desktop preferences, desktop config, etc. [01:17] doctormo: it's right now [01:17] doctormo: two different meetings.. this is user days team meeting [01:17] doctormo: yeah, this is just a sort of impromptu user days meeting [01:17] Hellow: I am thinking "system config, desktop preferences, desktop config" [01:18] Ah, *few* I meant ubuntu-learning meeting... i.e. the channel we're in ;-) [01:18] desktop preferences could be a little hard, as there are three primary DE's for Ubuntu. [01:18] Hellow: or whatever you think you can fit into an hour :) [01:18] Hellow: we're focusing on Gnome [01:18] Desktop config, in many ways, = desktop preferences [01:18] cjohnston: So far we have confirmed (Terminal, Join LoCo, Bugs report and equivalent software for Ubuntu) [01:18] * pleia2 nods [01:18] That sounds good.. [01:19] PabloRubianes: thanks [01:19] Hellow: are you good with that? [01:19] I am, but I don't know if I can make it fill an hour. [01:19] have you done how to set up movies/cd's or at least how to play them? I know that's like SUPER easy but some users just don't know how [01:19] cjohnston: we are wainting for more presenters to confirm, for the spanish speaking people this is Holiday time [01:20] and wireless is always a good one [01:20] Oh god wireless. [01:20] gotcha PabloRubianes [01:20] Hellow: haha [01:20] What....what did I say? [01:21] * ZachK_ said, "Wireless" [01:21] wireles [01:21] s [01:21] * pleia2 gets the impression that Hellow doesn't want to do the wireless talk :) [01:21] Exactly. Never use "wireless" and "linux" in the same sentence/context. [01:21] Haha [01:21] So we have some ideas that you should be able to make something out of Hellow ? [01:21] mine works [01:21] Possibly. [01:21] right no [01:21] w [01:21] cjohnston: hehe [01:21] <_marx_> lernid [01:22] im on a laptop in bed with the wife who is PASSED OUT [01:22] mine too, so I don't mess with it ;) [01:22] I'm *best* with everything that's already taken :P. [01:22] I want her drugs [01:22] pleia2: has anyone covered server/Firebird? [01:22] ZachK_: no, but we're trying to keep this pretty basic [01:22] pleia2: oh.....ok then [01:22] Yeah, that's a little advanced. [01:22] nevermind [01:22] II. Confirm Schedule - cjohnston [01:22] I'll just keep quiet then [01:23] <_marx_> hum i was planning on alpine... [01:23] I'll have a decision on my topic up on the UserDays wiki tomorrow. [01:23] Right now, I haven't recieved any negative feedback on the current schedule as set.. [01:23] thanks Hellow ! [01:23] glad we could keep you in this [01:23] Hellow: great, thanks [01:24] I will email everyone and confirm that the schedule works for them.. Anyone have any issues with it the way it stands now? [01:24] cjohnston: nope, looks good [01:24] <_marx_> first hour is intros? [01:24] _marx_: getting there [01:25] actually thats next [01:25] <_marx_> so how do we use that hour [01:25] III. Plan Intro - [[cjohnston]] [01:25] I am starting to think we need to use that hour to give a lernid demo [01:25] pleia2: i know at one point we talked and you said you had some stuff we could work with [01:25] _marx_: alpine is neat. I saw someone asking about mutt earlier [01:26] cjohnston: yeah, I was thinking of using some of the material from the intro to the open week [01:26] pleia2: AlanBell (I think) had made the suggestion that we dont tailor this to lernid due to the possibility of having people on windows [01:26] or people who dont know how to install lernid [01:26] via a ppa [01:26] jono always does an introduction [01:26] Wait, are we using lernid on this? [01:26] he isnt availbale [01:26] available [01:26] right, he doesn't have to do it :) [01:26] we can [01:26] one day ill learn to spell [01:26] but a similiar thing is what I had in mind [01:26] * _marx_ votes no on lernid [01:27] I was tryin to be funny.. but didnt come out [01:27] <_marx_> new users will have to learn how to enable a ppa [01:27] we do have jcastro tho [01:27] _marx_: no to using it at all, or no to telling people about it and how to use it? [01:27] what is it [01:27] ...actually, I think that might be my topic. Using apt-get/aptitude. [01:27] <_marx_> pleia2: no as default [01:27] If people want to use it on their own its fine, but I don't think we should 'support' it [01:27] Or general package management. [01:27] the karmic intro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekKarmic/Intro [01:28] gotta go folks....chores [01:28] I agree with cjohnston [01:28] _marx_: I agree it shouldn't be default [01:28] pleia2: ! [01:28] oops.. tab fail [01:28] Pendulum: ! [01:28] hey Pendulum [01:28] hi, sorry, I've been somewhat reading, but things are moving fast and my brain has decided to stop moving fast ;) [01:28] what is this site all about [01:28] pleia2: i wish to speak with you in say an hour or so? that acceptable [01:28] Pendulum, More coffee always works. [01:28] Hellow: i know i used ubuntu for 2 years before i realized you could type just 'aptitude' and get the ncurses package manager window [01:28] ZachK_: sure, I'll be around [01:29] duanedesign, LOL. [01:29] Hellow: no coffee. it'd be bad. [01:29] pleia2: in an hour then.....bye team [01:29] duanedesign: i didnt know that.... lol [01:29] bye ZachK_ [01:29] didnt care to... i dont think.. but didnt know that [01:29] Hellow: maybe installing packages in general? [01:29] Hellow: apt, aptitude, synaptic, software center [01:29] installing packages is good [01:30] (as an idea for something to do) [01:30] pleia2, I think general package management would be useful, but focus upon installing packages yes. [01:30] that sounds good [01:30] Adding repositories through the command line and software sources, using software center, using apt to install, remove, upgrade, and dist-upgrade, etc. [01:30] wow this is fast [01:31] maybe we can move things around too.. and get that earlier in the day [01:31] Hellow: I'd also touch base with paultag, his class is about finding trusted software [01:31] <_marx_> Hellow: I wasn't going to cover that in cli basics [01:31] * Hellow headdesk [01:31] am I here? [01:31] is that sarcasm? [01:31] chitchatcurtis: we're having a meeting about the upcoming Ubuntu User Day: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays [01:31] This is going to be interesting. [01:31] <_marx_> indeed [01:31] o I c [01:32] So maybe more with software center and stuff and less with cli? [01:32] There's not much left to that topic if you take out the command line part of it.. :P. [01:32] Hellow: cover 16 smaller topics in one hour [01:32] heh [01:32] Oh great. [01:32] :P [01:32] ;-) [01:33] <_marx_> Hellow: I'm planning on installing mc and lynx [01:33] hehe [01:33] _marx_, In that case, I could cover the more detailed/advanced features of aptitude and apt? [01:33] <_marx_> apt-cache and apt-show? [01:34] this looks like it is over my head for now lol [01:34] Those too. [01:34] lets get back to the intro please.. we are limited on time with the learning meeting immediatly after this [01:34] <_marx_> Hellow: we should talk some what hour do you have? [01:34] But, more like upgrade, dist-upgrade, remove, purge, check, *clean, etc. [01:34] <_marx_> intro yes [01:35] _marx_, 0:00 UTC, if that is what you mean. [01:35] So we need to write an intro and decide how we want to present the intro.... [01:35] <_marx_> Hellow: yes [01:35] pleia2: provided a link to the karmic intro for reference [01:35] Although I could easily do earlier :P. [01:35] * _marx_ waits on cjohnston [01:35] whatcha waiting on [01:35] the karmic intro is good, I'd like to see something similar for ours [01:36] ok.. i dont know that i have read it. so i will read it later.. [01:36] ok [01:36] Where's the intro at? [01:36] :P [01:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekKarmic/Intro [01:36] ^^ [01:37] So we're using the same general intro as the Ubuntu Open Week? [01:37] something similar, yeah [01:37] I am proposing anyway :) [01:37] sounds good... [01:37] and how do we want to present the intro? [01:38] each of us gets a part? [01:38] yeah, I'd say so [01:38] evening swoody [01:38] ok.. so we can work on writing the intro.. and then assign parts to it.. [01:38] * pleia2 nods [01:38] parts of it to each person.. [01:38] hello pleia2 :) [01:38] yeah, that makes sense [01:39] who wants to work on writing the intro? [01:39] hey can I say something as a newby? [01:39] sure chitchatcurtis [01:39] chitchatcurtis: sure [01:40] anyone? [01:40] cjohnston: ok ok, I'll have a draft by friday [01:40] there are some out the as I that are very new to this so basics are great. [01:40] pleia2: ok.. I will try to help you with it too.. :-) [01:40] pleia2: feel free to poke me if you want a hand or want me to do it [01:40] <_marx_> cjohnston: I kinda thought the intro would be the four of us that started this mess would just introduce ourselves [01:41] ok, I'll prep it on the wiki so you can all see my progress [01:41] _marx_: we have an hour [01:41] pleia2: sounds good [01:41] _marx_: that will be part of it thought [01:41] <_marx_> k [01:41] it may be redundant to some but very helpful to many [01:42] chitchatcurtis: that is the whole point of this [01:42] IV. Discuss how we want to run the day [01:42] ok [01:42] <_marx_> for me one part is that i've only met y'all here on IRC [01:42] _marx_: weren't you at SELF? [01:42] <_marx_> yes [01:42] we met :) [01:43] * cjohnston needs to start meeting people [01:43] akgraner introduced us, I'm Lyz from the pennsylvania loco [01:43] * _marx_ runs memtest on his brain [01:43] hehe [01:43] What I have invisioned in how we will run this is get each instructor to give us a little intro to themselves, in which one of us will use that to introduce each instructor at the beginning of the hour [01:44] s/the hour/their hour [01:44] _marx_: http://princessleia.com/images/journalpics/062009/self_local_bof.jpg I'm third from the left, waving a pen around [01:44] <_marx_> pleia2: oh yeah! sector 2367 [01:44] I think you're sitting 2 seats away from me there [01:45] sorry, tangent [01:45] <_marx_> cjohnston: sounds good [01:45] yep, sounds good [01:46] pleia2: how are questions normally done at the events? instructor tracks and copies/pastes and answers them, or should we copy questions into -classroom for them? [01:46] cjohnston: it's up to the instructor [01:46] we ask them whether they want to do it themselves or not [01:46] ok... [01:46] <_marx_> questions are asked in the chat channel [01:46] From what I've seen, the channel is in auditorium mode and questions are asked in chat, responded to in the main channel. [01:46] Hellow: yep [01:46] Or something like that. [01:47] ...err, is it auditorium mode? Does freenode even have that? [01:47] <_marx_> sometimes there is a moderator to pass them on to the classroom [01:47] :P [01:47] should we try to get that information prior to the day, or at the start of each class? [01:47] It might be just +m. [01:47] probably not this week, but next week should we decide who is introducing each session? (I think we should meet next week) [01:47] Pendulum: agreed.. [01:47] cjohnston: we tend to do it right before each session as we're prepping the instructor [01:47] ok pleia2 sounds good [01:47] that way they'll have an idea of the crowd - if it's really busy that day they might need help [01:47] otherwise it might be eaiser just for them to do it [01:47] V. Inform instructors about Lernid? [01:48] Sorry for rushing.. [01:48] np [01:48] I say -1... [01:48] I believe you have 12 minutes left :P. [01:48] Or something like that. [01:48] maybe let them know it exists but that we arent supporting it? [01:48] nhandler and nigel_nb were working on this, getting us an ical thing made and stuff in case we wanted to give people the opportunity to use it [01:48] we are creating an event Hellow [01:49] lernid can be used, but we assume that people won't have it [01:49] sorry to be late ;) [01:49] I dont have a problem creating the event.. but i say no to the slides and such [01:49] <_marx_> no prob nigel_nb [01:49] nigel_nb: no worries, this is just our little user days meeting, learning project meeting isn't for another 10 minutes :) [01:49] if the start times and end times are ready, jono will get the config file on the server and it will be listed as an event [01:49] <_marx_> what is our audience? [01:49] beginners [01:49] <_marx_> or who? [01:49] new people [01:50] maybe never used ubuntu [01:50] <_marx_> so adding a ppa is ...? [01:50] Part of what I was going to teach :P. [01:50] I think it might be something worth teaching, but not something we should expect them to have done [01:50] that should be covered throughout the course of the day [01:50] _marx_: maybe someone else will install it for them if they're recommending they attend the day :) [01:51] 10 minutes [01:51] pleia2, I know, I'm here for the user days meeting [01:51] Is there a website that lists instructions on getting and using Lernid? [01:51] <_marx_> Hellow: great [01:51] If nothing else, I say maybe shoot for lernid for the next UUD, this one, we can set it up, but I still say no slides, no fancy stuff.... [01:51] I know what it is, but eh. [01:52] cjohnston: yeah, I agree [01:52] ok.. [01:52] <_marx_> +1 cjohnston [01:52] VI. Promoting UUD [01:52] +1 [01:52] +1 cjohnston [01:52] I have already blogged about it once.. [01:52] its made it to UWN [01:52] and planet [01:52] I was waiting to blog about it so they weren't all blogged at the same time [01:52] but there are new users [01:52] but I want to post something on the planet this week [01:52] maybe wednesday [01:52] I owe PabloRubianes a post on the spanish version too [01:53] I will probably blog about it atleast one more time.. [01:53] I can blog, but my blog isn't syndicated anywhere [01:53] Were else can we promote pleia2 [01:53] the link is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiaDelUsuarioUbuntu [01:53] I'll probably blog about it sometime later this week. Friday, perhaps. [01:53] cjohnston: did it make it to the fridge? [01:53] twitter/identica [01:53] Pendulum: still better than nothing [01:53] pleia2: hmm [01:53] dunno [01:53] i dont think so pleia2 [01:53] but dont quote me [01:53] How does Open Week get promoted? [01:53] nope [01:53] <_marx_> i'll blog too but it's little read [01:54] every bit helps [01:54] <_marx_> Hellow: may i /msg [01:54] _marx_, Sure. [01:55] pleia2: what else does UOW or UDW get? [01:55] so if pleia2 blogs friday, should I blog Monday of next week? [01:55] any idea? [01:55] cjohnston: I think they tend to email the loco-contacts list too [01:55] UOW *might* get put on the ubuntu.com front page, but uh. I don't know :P. [01:55] pleia2: is that something that we can do? [01:56] cjohnston: email to loco-contacts? I think so, just frame it like "let your loco teams know" [01:56] they are good at reaching new users [01:56] and also on (e)(k)ubuntu-users mailing lists [01:56] pleia2: thats a good though.. [01:56] *nods* [01:57] our focus is gnome, so I'm not sure about those other lists [01:57] or if any would be appropriate for posting it on [01:57] what about ubuntu business? [01:57] pleia2: still educating on cli, finding help, etc [01:57] we send letters to every spanish speaking LoCo Admin too, but in English is more dificult [01:57] ubuntu-announce? [01:57] I don't know if you can do that or not. [01:57] I'm not sure either [01:58] pleia2: could you investigate that [01:58] ubuntu-news too. [01:58] you would be the one to know [01:58] who to talk to [01:59] yeah, I'll see what I can figure out [01:59] the last topic is just me saying im going to send out another email asking for an overview/outline from the instructors to post on the wiki page [01:59] ok great [01:59] last thing.. 10 seconde [01:59] seconds [01:59] next meeitng [02:00] thoughts? [02:00] This is going to be /fun/. [02:00] same time next week? [02:00] <_marx_> ditto [02:01] works for me [02:01] _marx_ pleia2 ? [02:01] no good for me, but I'll catch up [02:01] * _marx_ good [02:01] ok.. we will discuss later [02:01] my mother is visiting, but my schedule is pretty crazy for the next few weeks anyway [02:01] ok.. we will discuss later [02:01] #end [02:01] thanks cjohnston [02:02] thanks all [02:02] ok UCLP folks - meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now :) [02:02] crack that whip [02:02] *crack* [02:03] dinda1: UCLP meeting over in #ubuntu-meeting :) [02:04] doctormo? [02:06] bah, no doctormo or cprofitt [02:06] Vantrax? [02:06] pleia2: sorry about that [02:06] Are we having it in here? [02:06] in -meeting [02:06] haven't started yet though [02:06] dunno where cprofitt disappeared to [02:11] I am around kinda [02:12] back [02:21] UUD people: pleia2 Pendulum _marx_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/Meetings/01112010 [03:01] pleia2, how did the meeting go? [03:02] nigel_nb: it was an excellent meeting :) I'm very excited [03:02] my screen was flickering too much for me to understand what was going on [03:02] aww [03:02] pleia2, I'm going to create a page for bzr + asciidoc [03:02] on the wiki? [03:02] on the wiki [03:02] ok :) [03:02] so we have something for new contributors [03:02] I'll take it as my vacation project ;) [03:03] sounds good [03:03] probably finish of the bzr docs too... [03:03]