[02:02] o/ [02:02] hi folks, just waiting on a few people to get this learning team meeting rolling [02:07] yay [02:07] sorry folks -- dirty diaper needed changing [02:07] ok, let's get this started :) [02:07] #startmeeting [02:07] Meeting started at 20:07. The chair is pleia2. [02:07] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [02:08] welcome everyone, who all is here for the ubuntu community learning project meeting? [02:08] o/ [02:08] hello [02:08] 0/ [02:08] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda [02:08] * cprofitt raises hand [02:08] LINK received: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda [02:08] our agenda [02:08] <_marx_> non member logging [02:09] [TOPIC] Review of what we're currently working on [02:09] New Topic: Review of what we're currently working on [02:09] ok, I sent an email to the list a few days ago outlining some of where we are at [02:09] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-learning/2010-January/000102.html [02:09] [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-learning/2010-January/000102.html [02:09] LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-learning/2010-January/000102.html [02:10] 0/ [02:10] cprofitt: go ahead [02:10] You had asked me about the course layout in terms of Moodle [02:10] * pleia2 nods [02:11] we'll review CourseLayout in a minute, I think it's the next agenda item [02:11] I think the layout will need to be modified [02:11] ok [02:11] and I am working on that... [02:11] which fits agenda item one [02:11] I can go in to more detail next [02:11] ok, cool [02:11] so, any comments on our current projects? anyone want to jump in anywhere or let us know about stuff they're working on that the rest of us should know about? [02:11] I'm working on a video that shows people how to get involved from a fresh ubuntu install up to having the branch checked out. [02:12] cool [02:12] should include text instructions too [02:12] * pleia2 nods [02:12] I am working on the layout for Moodle, the Ubuntu Educators site -- which I hope to use to draw some educators to our project - and a Moodle course on Installation [02:13] i added what will hopefully be a lot more Launchpad related courses to my wiki for peer review. [02:13] excellent! [02:13] duanedesign: link? [02:14] I also made an account for duanedesign so he could transcribe his course to Moodle and offered to assist him [02:14] great [02:14] i need to update what i have done to reflect the guidlines at /Learning/CourseLayout [02:14] sound like we're making good progress on several fronts then [02:15] [TOPIC] Review Course Layout [02:15] New Topic: Review Course Layout [02:15] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/CourseLayout [02:15] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/CourseLayout [02:15] ok, just to quickly explain this [02:16] doctormo has been hosting Ubuntu classes in the MA LoCo for quite some time, this is the course structure he found to be best for that, and wrote his courses following this layout [02:16] 0/ [02:16] so the focus certainly is real life classroom teaching [02:16] and can also be applied to IRC-based teaching [02:17] Hopefully as a stage 2, we can figure out how to use what we know to make student driven online courses... [02:20] this might not be the same for moodle, so you have the floor, cprofitt :) [02:20] pleia2: http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/okwiki [02:20] duanedesign: thanks [02:20] I am not sure how much people are familiar with 'course styles' [02:20] for in-person events it would be sychronous... [02:20] on-line courses can be sychronous [02:20] or asychronous (meaning there is not a 'teacher' present or a 'live' class [02:20] for the on-line synchronous courses -- IRC would be used even with Moodle courses [02:20] this model will work... [02:20] for Asychronous courses - instructor led or self-study [02:20] the demonstration will take a different form [02:20] so that is all that has to be altered [02:20] cprofitt: yeah, that's what I figured [02:20] doctormo: I have already done that for the Professional Learning Board [02:20] so it is fairly easy... [02:20] but it will be best... as most creating courses for us will likely lack experience in asychronous course design, to give some solid examples [02:20] * pleia2 nods [02:20] my own process took several review sessions with the educational professional that was my mentor at The Professional Learning Board [02:20] I still would like to get a curriculum expert for K-12 or College to assist us if possible [02:21] that would be nice [02:21] as I do not feel I have enough experience [02:21] one other component that we may want to consider [02:21] for all course styles is pre-assessment [02:22] which would be a quiz about the course material taken prior to the course [02:22] this would assist people who may or may not know the material... [02:22] ah, interesting [02:22] and assist instructors in knowing what the 'strong' or 'weak' areas are for each student or the group as a whole [02:23] it allows us to 'tailor' the course to better fit the student [02:23] Very interesting [02:23] very good idea === jono_ is now known as jono [02:23] Its fairly common in education... so I take no credit for the idea... [02:23] I am merely a parrot in this case [02:23] :-) [02:24] well it certainly helps to have someone on the team who has expertise in this [02:24] cprofitt: Don't be so humble, we're all meme vectors in our own way. [02:24] ... osmosis expertise. [02:24] I just listen to teachers... [02:24] yeah, i was just thinking I was doing that in the training course I was running last week [02:24] :-) [02:25] so, regarding the course layout, the verdict is that it will need to be altered for asyncronous moodle courses [02:25] <_marx_> cprofitt: how transportable would this moodle be? [02:26] _marx_: Moodle is very transportable... [02:26] if you are going to use it on another Moodle installation [02:26] or export it [02:26] <_marx_> so I could take it to my local library on *my server and run it? [02:27] if you installed Moodle yes [02:27] the only possible gotcha is if we added a module... [02:27] ok, I want to stay focused here [02:27] then the target Moodle server would need the module installed as well [02:27] <_marx_> good, thx [02:27] we can follow up after the meeting with moodle technical questions :) [02:27] modules we should probably avoid unless they are A) Common or B) Critical [02:28] Vantrax: +1 [02:28] * doctormo hugs pleia2, trying to keep things on topic [02:28] what is the current topic? [02:28] cprofitt: do you see any problems with the course layout as it is? will it be very hard to modify for moodle? [02:28] dinda1: discussing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/CourseLayout [02:29] pleia2: I do not -- but converting an actual course from A to B may reveal things I did not anticipate [02:29] ok, great :) [02:29] I know it will be imperfect, but I'm hoping most of the material will be ok [02:29] I am going to postpone the next agenda item until the end of the meeting [02:29] [TOPIC] GroundControl familiarity [02:29] New Topic: GroundControl familiarity [02:30] doctormo: you're up [02:30] 0/ [02:30] As I said before I'll be doing a video and some text on ground control... a project that enables our contributors to get involved without ever touching a command line. [02:30] cprofitt: feel free to just speak up, this is a small meeting so we can keep it a bit informal :) [02:31] doctormo: is there a project page? [02:31] Part of this will include giving a hands on session with ubuntu learning members, so I know were all good on what it does and how it works. [02:31] that is what I was going to ask pleia2 [02:31] https://edge.launchpad.net/groundcontrol [02:31] [LINK] https://edge.launchpad.net/groundcontrol [02:31] LINK received: https://edge.launchpad.net/groundcontrol [02:31] * pleia2 thinks MootBot doesn't understand https [02:32] so this project makes interacting with launchpad easier? [02:32] doctormo: is this the child of the project you were working on at UDS? [02:32] cprofitt: You didn't see the demo at UDS so perhaps pleia2 can give a view on it. [02:32] or we can talk off-line [02:32] pleia2: Yes, you saw the first half [02:32] excellent [02:32] I was just looking for a quick summary, if possible, on how it fitst with UCLP [02:33] * Vantrax agrees with cp on the summary [02:33] cprofitt: It configures bzr, launchpad and the two combined, it allows you to view projects from a button in nautilus and add them, and then add a branch from those folders. [02:33] and how does that fit with UCLP? [02:34] I think I see that... but want to make sure. [02:34] cprofitt: It allows users to get course material for editing, save the material, push it back up and get a merge request. [02:34] K [02:35] does it have 'check-in' 'check-out' built in to it... [02:35] forgive me for not knowing if that is a LP function or not [02:36] yep [02:36] cprofitt: It's worded differently, It's "Get Code" (bzr branch) and "Save Code" (bzr commit) "Upload Code" (bzr push) and "Finished!" (merge request) [02:36] You only ever see one button at a time [02:36] I got that bit on the first part doctormo but thanks for the clarification [02:37] sounds like a solid project... [02:37] It should be useful outside of ULCP too [02:37] it should certainly help users that are not familiar with console-foo [02:37] yeah, a lot of people were excited about it at UDS [02:37] this looks great doctormo, thanks for the intro :) [02:37] shall we move on? [02:37] Aye [02:38] [TOPIC] Plans for editing material [02:38] New Topic: Plans for editing material [02:38] ok doctormo, all yours again [02:38] So the second phaise two [02:39] We have our scripts which can create new classes, that can compile to html and pdf and do most of the heavy lifting. [02:39] All that's required of current editors is that they be able to open up a text file and edit it. [02:40] * pleia2 nods [02:40] But I want to make it easier... since it requires contributors to understand that the file is split up into 5 parts [02:40] and still requires cli use for making new classes [02:40] 0/ [02:41] So this part will probably be a small quickly app which opens up and shows a list of sections and classes in a tree and then allows users to edit a class via gui. [02:41] neat [02:41] cprofitt: go ahead [02:41] if there are changes to the way courses are 'created' will this program require changes or is it flexible? [02:42] I am just concerned because we have yet to, at least to my knowledge, grant final approval on the course structure and methodology due to us not having transferred a course to Moodle [02:42] and I also want to make sure it is flexible in the case of other changes... [02:43] all of this is taking time, it's my hope that we'll have some courses finished in *some* format (even if it's odt) to transfer to moodle before doctormo is done with coding [02:43] or in other words I hope to not have work lost... or creat a tool that may bind us to a particular structure [02:43] cprofitt: It would be flexible in terms of number of sections, with only the title being a fixed entry. [02:43] and doctormo has several courses already completed, we could look into putting one of them into moodle now [02:43] pleia2: Yes this is certanly a phaise 2, I don't expect to hold people up with it. [02:44] pleia2: we should... it would help us to A) learn the process and B) solidify the process [02:44] sounds good :) [02:44] cprofitt: sounds like I should walk you through it, I've done that with pleia2 and nigel [02:44] doctormo: this is great, thanks for putting so much work into making things easy for the contributor [02:44] I could offer to assit doctormo convert the courses like with duanedesign [02:45] doctormo: that would help me understand it... but I trust you... [02:45] I just want to make sure, for your point of view, that it is flexible [02:45] cprofitt: I sometimes go too far with flexability :-) [02:46] So I can confirm it'll be flexible enough for us to quickly add new sections as they become required. [02:46] I don't think flexibilty can go too far... [02:46] cprofitt: Have you ever tried to hold water? [02:46] well, when doctormo gets lost for 3 months doing customizations on flexibility we'll know that that point has been reached :) [02:47] do we have anything else on this subject? [02:47] not I [02:47] nope [02:47] [TOPIC] Formalize tasklist to move forward [02:47] New Topic: Formalize tasklist to move forward [02:47] ok, some action items! [02:48] How does next monday evening sound for a run through of course creation on the lp/bzr side? [02:48] doctormo: lets discuss after this topic [02:49] cprofitt: want each of us pick one of doctormo's completed sysadmin courses and start putting it into moodle? [02:49] cprofitt: I mean to say, that this should be added to the task list. [02:49] pleia2: That actually sounds like an awesome idea [02:49] I won't be around next monday, but I'm pretty familiar with the process and there are logs :) [02:49] pleia2: that would be a good idea... [02:50] [ACTION] cprofitt and pleia2 to each select one of doctormo's sysadmin courses and put into moodle [02:50] ACTION received: cprofitt and pleia2 to each select one of doctormo's sysadmin courses and put into moodle [02:50] I am booked next week on Thursday... and my wife talked to me about a date -- but I have forgotten which it is [02:51] [ACTION] Schedule evening for cprofitt and doctormo to a run through of course creation on the lp/bzr side [02:51] ACTION received: Schedule evening for cprofitt and doctormo to a run through of course creation on the lp/bzr side [02:51] [ACTION] review duanedesign's launchpad courses [02:51] ACTION received: review duanedesign's launchpad courses [02:52] duanedesign: is also migrating one of those to Moodle [02:52] and will work with me as he has questions [02:52] [ACTION] duanedesign migrating a launchpad course to Moodle [02:52] ACTION received: duanedesign migrating a launchpad course to Moodle [02:53] anything else? [02:53] Not that I have. [02:53] cprofitt has ongoing moodle stuff, doctormo has ongoing dev work, so I won't bother with those [02:53] have any of you take a look at the Ubuntu educators Ning? [02:53] No [02:53] yeah, but I don't understand ning :) [02:53] http://ubuntuedu.ning.com/ [02:53] LINK received: http://ubuntuedu.ning.com/ [02:53] Oh wait, now I remember, social site [02:54] it is just a social site... [02:54] I have advertised it on several of the educational sites I am a member on [02:54] kind of like a forum? [02:54] think portal... [02:54] * pleia2 nods [02:54] a collection of parts [02:54] Wow that looks beautiful [02:54] one of which is a forum [02:55] I hope to use the site as a 'more familiar' site for teachers interested in or already using Ubuntu in the classroom [02:55] ok, now I think I understand [02:55] and those who support them [02:55] pleia2: you saw my ubuntu artists group on dA... it sort of like that but for educators. [02:55] gotcha [02:56] it ties in with our project, but also serves its own person [02:56] once we get the courses published -- Moodle or PDF then I want to link to them [02:56] cool [02:56] so the courses get used... and we get some feedback from Educators [02:56] yeah, that's great [02:56] I also, really hope, that some of these folks contribute [02:56] but we will see [02:56] * pleia2 nods [02:57] ok, let's wrap this up [02:57] any parting thoughts? [02:57] I want to say that this has been an awesome meeting, one of our best! we're making progress on a number of fronts, and it's exciting :) so thanks everyone [02:57] * cprofitt shakes his head no [02:58] Yes, thanks everyone. [02:58] fantastic work and good progress [02:58] special thanks to Pleia who is doing an excellent job of pointing us all towards the goalline [02:59] I think so! [03:00] #endmeeting [03:00] Meeting finished at 21:00. [03:00] right on time :-) === KatieKitty is now known as KatieOffline === KatieOffline is now known as KatieKitty [03:04] pleia2, I am working on the Leadership Series stuff this week once I get through with Chapter 3 do I just let you know? [03:05] akgraner: that sounds good === dantaliz1ng is now known as dantalizing [03:06] nigel_nb: you need course creator rights? === stalcup is now known as vorian === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === KatieKitty is now known as KatieOffline === \vish is now known as vish === asac_ is now known as asac === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === KatieOffline is now known as KatieKitty [09:31] :) [10:01] * persia peers about [10:05] * TheMuso is here. [10:06] DrG is here [10:06] DrGS: Are you "DrG", or is that just a very similar nick? [10:06] Ah :) [10:06] amachu seems away, but both our candidates are here. [10:06] I am DrG the nick was not available [10:06] hi [10:07] persia: hi [10:07] :) [10:07] lifeless: elky ? [10:08] hi [10:08] am here, a tad distracted by coughing [10:08] :) [10:08] * persia provides lifeless with virtual lemon honey tea [10:09] Well, we're nominally quorate at this point. Shall we start at 10:10, to give a couple more minutes for elky or amachu to join us? [10:10] * TheMuso is happy to wait. [10:10] * KatieKitty says no probs [10:10] * popey volunteers if they're not around [10:10] sure [10:11] hi all [10:11] hi [10:11] :) [10:12] so, what is the agenda [10:12] :P [10:13] Agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [10:13] Who's the chair? [10:13] you [10:13] heh. [10:14] OK. First up is DrG. [10:14] DrGS: Could you post a few lines to introduce yourself? [10:14] :-[ [10:15] I am a Doctor ; Currently doing research in genetic recombination technology [10:15] from RGBC [10:16] Also GP in some private Hospitals . [10:16] so, what am I doing here again/ [10:17] DrGS, am also from India .. what does GP mean? [10:17] General Practitioner [10:17] Yes [10:17] popey, thanks [10:18] DrGS: From looking at your wiki page, it appears that most of your contributions to date have been in brainstorm. Is that correct? [10:18] Yes [10:19] Have you had success in getting any of your ideas implemented in Ubuntu yet? [10:20] Frugal boot time - not implemented , but very much possible . [10:21] The developer checks brainstorm about once in 6 months [10:22] Have you significantly shaped brainstorm in some way? [10:23] You can read my Ideas and decide [10:25] I meant in a way beyond the ideas. Like working with how brainstorm works, or how ideas in brainstorm are used to affect other areas in Ubuntu. [10:26] Contacted brainstorm owner (nand ) and thinking about modifying the sites . I have the codes . [10:26] You can see most of my Ideas are independent . [10:27] Anyone else have questions? [10:28] Not I. [10:28] Only to ask whether there is anyone here to advocate DrGS. [10:30] sorry, here now [10:30] Hrm. It doesn't appear that anyone is here to support DrGS. [10:30] So, voting. [10:31] oh suapapa Hi [10:31] Hello , persia I'm ubuntu-ko owner. South Korea [10:31] hi bundo [10:31] 만나서 반갑습니다. sharkout 에게 이야기 들었습니다. [10:31] Nice to meet you. I heard a story sharkout. [10:32] I'm -1. I think there's some good thought and work going on, but I don't feel that the work is yet "significant", in that it does not appear to have yet affected either the Ubuntu code or brainstorm (the primary area of activity). [10:32] I agree with persia, -1 also. [10:32] DrGS: I think the ideas you have in brainstorm are good. However we don't currently really recognise brainstorm activity - both gardening and idea generation - as a significant contribution. [10:32] hello :) [10:33] DrGS: Its clear you have done some significant research on some of your ideas - and one at least (the frugal boot) you seem to have implemented and tested the idea : but not got it actually into Ubuntu. [10:33] DrGS: So, like persia and TheMuso I don't think you meet the criteria we look for yet. [10:34] OK [10:34] DrGS, am i reading launchpad right? you only signed up 6 weeks ago? or did you have another ID? [10:34] DrGS: we're looking for actual /change/ occuring - some examples of which might be: [10:34] if you had another ID with more stuff, then that could be helpful here [10:34] - users helped (and thus the change is that they learnt) [10:35] I don't have another ID [10:35] - ideas that are popular in brainstorm implemented so they are in the next ubuntu release [10:35] ok, then i second what lifeless is saying. sorry :( -1 [10:35] - forum activity helping folk out [10:35] - translations for your language [10:36] no [10:36] DrGS, we at ubuntu-in have dire shortage at ubuntu-in of dedicated translators/workrs [10:36] there are many many more things - and I encourage you to keep contributing [10:36] maybe you can help out [10:36] :) [10:36] you're simple at the tip of the iceberg today! [10:37] and then elevate with testimonial of a ubuntu member [10:38] OK [10:38] DrGS: So, thanks for your work so far, we're looking forward to more, and we'll see you back in a few months :) Feel free to ask any of us (or members in ubuntu-in) if you have questions about whether it's time to come back yet. [10:38] Next up: KatieKitty. KatieKitty could you paste a few lines to introduce yourself? [10:38] ok thx [10:39] coolbhavi, thanks for the tip. we appreciate folks participating in the membership process by mentoring like this [10:39] OK :) [10:39] i am 27 From KL, Malaysia [10:39] DrGS: I do love the care and attention you've put into your brainstorm ideas: getting some of them /done/ would be really nice to see. [10:39] elky, that was a simple one .. No mention :) [10:39] That is upto the Developers [10:39] currently working as freelance in computing stuff [10:40] like network, maintenance etc [10:40] DrGS: no, its up to all of us: the developers are not specially blessed :) [10:40] team leader of ubuntu-my translation & documentation team [10:40] But they are the one who implement Ideas [10:40] DrGS, +1 lifeless [10:41] DrGS, power user == developer in linux in general mate [10:41] coolbhavi, can we request that you talk with DrGS privately about his options? :) [10:41] shall I continue in my self introduction? [10:41] :) [10:41] elky, sure [10:42] sure [10:42] please do KatieKitty [10:42] ok [10:42] i am 27 From KL, Malaysia [10:42] currently working as freelance in computing stuff [10:42] like network, maintenance etc [10:43] team leader of ubuntu-my translation & documentation team [10:43] been full time use ubuntu since feisty [10:43] * KatieKitty is a ubuntu & debian lover [10:45] KatieKitty: you're the team leader of ubuntu-my translation, but your karma relate to translation is only 163 [10:45] yeah === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [10:45] coz we are all very inactive.... [10:45] due to work [10:46] and most of us is already too comfortable in using english [10:46] lol [10:46] are you doing anything to get more translators? [10:47] me and other members is trying to promote the trans & doc team in a lot of foss event [10:47] but too bad, it is hard to get more ppl to be interested in trans & doc work... [10:47] is https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-ms the my translation team ? [10:48] nop [10:48] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-my-transdocs [10:48] I was just looking around, and it and https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-my-transdocs confuse me a little [10:48] we register a few launchpad pages [10:48] lol [10:48] some if official, some is not [10:48] but we use all of them [10:48] :-/ [10:49] translation work is started since long time ago [10:49] KatieKitty: are you collaborating with ubuntu-l10n-ms [10:50] yeah [10:50] https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/+languages/ms is your language though ? [10:50] we are actually the same group of ppl [10:50] lol [10:50] lifeless: yup [10:50] KatieKitty: then why shall you have so many teams on lp? [10:51] so, for me, its disconcerting to see the ubuntu translation team - which is the l10n-ms one - not be the one that you refer to when you say you're the team lead [10:51] trans & doc is officially builded after meeting in #ubuntu-my [10:51] the team you talk about doesn't have translation review privileges for ubuntu ms translations [10:51] and i was voted to become the team leader of that [10:52] KatieKitty: do you anyone here to support you then? [10:52] who is the leader of ubuntu-l10n-ms? [10:52] actually it can be verified by asking ejat a.k.a fenris [10:52] yes [10:52] but he seems like din make it online in time [10:52] elky: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-ms/+members#proposed - there are a few admins [10:53] and ~mypapit owns the team [10:53] anyhow, thats moot: if you have a new team and its all approved in the -my loco thats cool [10:53] translation management work was transferred to me after a meeting... [10:53] It is odd that you haven't gotten the sysadmins to add it as a translation team for Malay [10:53] actualy they are the same people... mostly [10:54] farimi: yeah thats fine. [10:54] i'm 0 based purely on confusion. [10:54] we are actually the same group of ppl in #ubuntu-my [10:54] what its saying to me is that an important thing - the ability to review translations, which these folk should be able to do - hasn't been actioned in 3 months [10:54] anyone is free, then do the work [10:54] lol [10:55] * persia hunts up some translation folk [10:55] and actioning it just takes a single 'question' on answers.launchpad.net [10:55] :) [10:55]