[08:46] <JesseW> hm, so far, in investigating the copyright status of the ubuntu-wallpapers, I've found 3 out of 3 with problems...
[08:52] <thorwil> JesseW: which ones exactly and what problems?
[08:53] <JesseW> thorwil: well, so far I've found two that are labeled as All-rights-reserved on flickr (which is probably fine, as someone did contact them, and presumably got a free license from them in private -- but we need to verify what exactly that license was (CC-BY-2.5, CC-BY-SA-2.0, CC-BY-2.0, something else?)
[08:54] <JesseW> one that is under CC-BY-SA-2.0 and another under CC-BY-2.0 (which means we have to include both licenses in the debian/copyright file)
[08:55] <JesseW> and I'm not sure what the intended difference is between the Upstream Author section in debian/copyright, and the AUTHORS file, but many of the photographers arn't listed in Upstream Authors.  And I know they should be listed as holding copyright on their images in the Copyright section...
[08:55] <JesseW> and I've only looked through 4 images so far...
[08:57] <thorwil> JesseW: afaik Ivanka Majik contacted the photographers of desired photos with no suitable license. if they made it in, that should mean she got allowance. unfortunate if that isn't documented in any way
[08:57] <thorwil> kwwii: ^ do you know more about this?
[08:57] <JesseW> thorwil: that's what I understood.  Hopefully Ivanka kept the emails, so we can verify *which* license the photographers agreed to...
[08:58] <JesseW> thorwil: I've been talking with kwwii for the past few days about this.  He's been quite helpful.
[08:59] <JesseW> it's just dotting i's and crossing t's, but it is worth getting right.
[09:01] <thorwil> JesseW: i'm all for doing a clean job regarding licensing. as author myself i would hate to see disregard
[09:03] <JesseW> thorwil: yep.  I also want to make sure that links to the filkr pages for the images are included in the AUTHORS file, so people can track them down and comment, get bigger versions, etc.  (also, I think it's technically required by all the CC licenses after version 1.0)
[09:06] <thorwil> JesseW: i think the attribution part is up to the authors to define. if you ship a CC licensed photo, linking to a flickr page where it's all-rights-reserved would be ugly
[09:07] <JesseW> thorwil: agreed.  for the flickr-a.r.r. images, we should see what Ivanka asked them with regards to how they want to be attributed.
[09:15] <JesseW> great, I now found one (Butterfly.jpg) that 1) has no mention in the AUTHORS file AT ALL -- isn't findable in the Flickr group that all the others seem to be in, and all the examples that TinEye (reverse image search) find are ubuntu screenshots using it as a wallpaper!  While I *hope* that a source (and license) for this can be found, as of now -- it's completely opaque, and presumably illegal.  Dammit.
[09:18] <thorwil> JesseW: butterfly? i think that's from kwwii himself
[09:19] <JesseW> thorwil: cool, that would be simplest.  I hope so.
[09:21] <JesseW> and another CC-BY-SA-2.0 one...
[09:27] <JesseW> and one under CC-BY-NC-SA-2.0 -- that's not a free content license...
[09:31] <JesseW> also, Naranja (one of the images) had a duplicated line in the AUTHORS file.
[09:34] <JesseW> ok, I have six more to do.  I'm going to bed, I'll do the rest later.
[12:20] <kwwii> howdy all
[12:20] <darkmatter> o/
[12:21] <kwwii> just got back from london
[12:21] <darkmatter> how was it?
[12:21] <kwwii> good, we got a lot of work done
[12:21] <darkmatter> nice :)
[12:21] <kwwii> although my lucid install simply stopped working
[12:21] <kwwii> update=death
[12:26] <darkmatter> typical
[12:28] <zniavre> :o)
[12:38] <vish> kwwii: wb... well... atleast you dont have train troubles like mat_t  ;0
[12:41] <vish> kwwii: if you dont have the scrollback.. jesseW was here looking looking for you, seems like a lot of images have copyright differences
[12:51] <kwwii> vish: yeah, I saw that...I tried to explain to him that we have permission from all the authors to use whatever CC license we want though
[12:52] <kwwii> I really appreciate his efforts trying to sort things out
[12:52] <kwwii> and the author file is a bit of a mess
[12:53] <kwwii> although I did update it since the karmic release and I bet he doesn't know about it, better send him another email
[12:56] <thorwil> just got a request for a logo that shall express that a work has been created with one specific application *and* other free software. shall look "professional". scalable down to too very small sizes and still work. be 2 tone.
[12:57] <thorwil> do i have to point out that i declined?
[12:58] <thorwil> kwwii: tell me more about really good money via font work ;)
[13:03] <kwwii> thorwil: hehe
[13:03] <kwwii> thorwil: well, get into this business and I bet you won't be looking for work ;)
[13:07] <thorwil> kwwii: i thought there's a very close knit circle around the few type foundries, who have their troubles with the digital age? the rest being about few big companies who can pay to have fonts designed for them, which doesn't happen often
[13:08] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, that is very close to accurate...and fonts are super expensive.
[13:35] <mat_t> vish: :)
[14:02] <thorwil> worked on the 1, but i'm not telling which one is the new 1: http://www.foopics.com/get/0487347bbb11cd7f52623ec5cca3d321/0
[14:03] <thorwil> kwwii: ^ does this fix it for you?
[14:08] <kwwii> yes, the top one looks better to me
[14:09] <kwwii> perfect now, really
[14:12] <kwwii> thorwil: am I right that the top one is the updated one?
[14:12] <kwwii> :)
[14:24] <thorwil> kwwii: yes, thank you.
[14:24] <kwwii> whew ;)
[14:26] <vish> dang!
[14:27] <vish> hehe... would have been funny if it was the other way around ;p
[14:27] <kwwii> :p
[14:28] <thorwil> vish: i read from designers who would choose a not-so-nice color for a design option they don't want their client to choose
[14:29]  * vish scratches head and reads again
[14:29] <thorwil> vish: or when asked for a bigger logo, would present 3 options. client picks middle one without realizing the largest of the size was the one he considered not large enough the previous time
[14:30] <vish> thorwil: oh , yeah...i'v heard that before
[14:31] <vish> thorwil: its more psychological , sometimes when presented with options people select the same old one thinking its better or has been improved
[14:32] <vish> thorwil: which would mean that to sell an idea[which you think is really good].. the later ones need to suck more ;p
[14:33] <thorwil> grr, the net is crawling, as if it suffers from the weight of snow
[14:33] <vish> thorwil: did you check out the link troy posted yesterday?
[14:34] <vish> amazing amount of work the artist has put in... it was so real[i couldnt believe it was cgi] , until there was the second video showing how he did it
[14:34] <kwwii> I just signed up for a new connection, 16Mbit is coming soon ;)
[14:34] <thorwil> vish: opinions on in how far it is ok to "guide" your clients with such tricks vary quite a bit. in any case, you might not want to present the top pick first
[14:35] <kwwii> that link from troy is really killer ;)
[14:35] <kwwii>  it is indeed quite amazing and beautiful. sadly though someone thought it a good idea to introduce terribly kerned typography at 6:28 at which point I could watch no further.
[14:35] <kwwii> :p
[14:35] <thorwil> vish: yeah, i had to read it's CG several times. only late in the video i found it to show
[14:37] <thorwil> http://blog.howdesign.com/content/binary/kerning.png
[14:37] <kwwii> hehe, nice
[14:37] <thorwil> http://rlv.zcache.com/yes_we_kern_tshirt-p235186796356893004qzj3_400.jpg
[14:38] <vish> kwwii: thorwil: in case you guys didnt see the break down > http://vimeo.com/8200251
[14:40] <kwwii> wow, this is nifty as well
[14:40] <kwwii> cool to see how it is put together
[15:29] <vish> kwwii: for the requests page , you mentioned that subscribing the ML , might not be good , right?  how abuout if someone watches the wiki and forwards the requests to the ML? [i wouldnt mind gatekeeping... ]
[15:29] <vish> if anyone else wants to do it too ,  we could do it side-by-side...
[15:30] <kwwii> vish: that would be a good idea, yes
[15:31] <vish> kwwii: thorwil eitherway patrols the artwork wiki.. if anything is wrong he'll kick it right away ;)
[15:31] <kwwii> hehe, you assume that he always has time for such work ;)
[15:31] <kwwii> to be honest, it might be best to make the page only editable by one person
[15:31] <vish> nooo... not like that :)
[15:32] <kwwii> so that a request has to go in, be accepted (and at the same time a notification goes to the list)
[15:33] <vish> kwwii: ah , but that would be adding extra work... would be easier if we had a format and the requester *has* to maintain it
[15:40] <kwwii> vish: sure, that isn't the problem I am trying to solve though
[15:40] <kwwii> I would like to prevent the page from becoming a huge list of stuff nobody wants to work on and/or is not really needed
[15:40] <vish> yeah
[15:41] <vish> kwwii: wouldnt it be easier to remove than one person having to add?
[15:41] <vish> anyways , it was just a suggestion... :)
[15:42] <kwwii> vish: well, that might becomd a political problem I guess
[15:42] <vish> kwwii: if we are filtering stuff in , that would have the same political problem :(
[15:44] <kwwii> yeah
[15:58] <thorwil> vish: would be funny if you send a mail to the list, asking who would generally be willing to take on such requests ... and no one answers
[15:58] <thorwil> that said, i would be tempted to remain silent, too
[15:59] <vish> grrrr... ;p
[16:03] <thorwil> oh, the free culture showcase now has an "Other Media" category. well, as long as it's just The Other and no Elders or Ancient ones ...
[18:08] <wolter> is kolor guild here?
[18:32] <kwwii> wolter: I have no idea what you mean, so the answer is "no"
[18:33] <wolter> lol
[18:33] <wolter> its a guy that made a cover for the ubunu manual project.. I thought maybe he was in here, but apparently --- and as you said --- "no"
[18:33] <thorwil> wolter: that's David Nel(?)?
[18:34] <thorwil> could be he posted to the artwork list a while ago, but i'm not aware of him being here
[18:38] <wolter> nah, Kolor Guild is how he appears in the titlepages page
[18:42] <thorwil> wolter: i'm right and i guess i remember because there was a link to his portfolio site: http://www.kolorguild.co.za/
[18:43] <vish> wolter: kolor guild is david nel :)
[18:43] <wolter> oh
[18:43] <wolter> hmm.. theres only a david levin here haha
[20:27] <zniavre_> sorry to ask but where is the config file of xsplash please ? i would want to modify the throbber position
[20:27] <coz_> zniavre_,   should be in /usr/share/images/xsplash
[20:28] <coz_> not sure though
[20:28] <coz_> let me check here
[20:28] <zniavre_> there is only pictures
[20:29] <zniavre_> bonjour (btw)
[20:30] <coz_> zniavre_,   in terminal try    sudo -u gdm xsplash --help
[20:30] <coz_> looking for the config still
[20:33] <zniavre_> ok im trying to understand what is in terminal thank you :o)
[20:34] <coz_> zniavre_,  as I recall  there is a file to edit  I am just having trouble finding the damn t hing
[20:34] <zniavre_> ééé
[20:35] <coz_> it might be under   /etc/gdm/Init/Default  but let me still check here
[20:37] <coz_> zniavre_,   try   /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default    and  /etc/gdm/Init/Default
[20:37] <zniavre_> usr/bin/xsaplsh this file can't be edited with gedit
[20:39] <zniavre_> i do not see in this files (etc/gdm .....) something helpfull
[20:39] <coz_> mm
[20:39] <zniavre_> im quite sure it's something hardcoded ...sadly
[20:39] <zniavre_> i spent hours to find a config file
[20:40] <coz_> zniavre_,  what do you want to do with xplash again?
[20:40] <zniavre_> change the throbber position
[20:40] <coz_> I know I have read something about this  hold on let me check again
[20:42] <zniavre_> thank you
[20:48] <coz_> zniavre_,  no luck so far
[20:49] <zniavre_> gedit /etc/dbus-1/system.d/xsplash.conf
[20:49] <zniavre_> ooops
[20:49] <coz_> :)
[20:50] <coz_> zniavre_,  did you ask on #ubuntu or #ubuntu-dev ?
[20:50] <zniavre_> mmmm no
[20:50] <coz_> or maybe  #ubuntu-x
[20:52] <JesseW> per dlocate -conf xsplash, try /etc/dbus-1/system.d/xsplash.conf
[20:53] <JesseW> sorry, I see that was already suggested
[20:53] <zniavre_> useless for what i want to do
[20:54] <coz_> zniavre_,  as I said I remember reading about changing the location on screen I just cant find it
[20:54] <zniavre_> no problems
[21:39] <kwwii> zniavre: I think it is in the source code itself
[21:41] <kwwii>       gtk_fixed_put (GTK_FIXED (priv->fixed),
[21:41] <kwwii>                      priv->logo,
[21:41] <kwwii>                      get_monitor_width () / 2 - gdk_pixbuf_get_width (priv->logo_pixbuf) / 2,
[21:41] <kwwii>                      get_monitor_height () / 3 - gdk_pixbuf_get_height (priv->logo_pixbuf) / 2);
[21:41] <kwwii> and such seems to tell me it is in the xsplash.c
[21:43] <kwwii> then again, https://code.launchpad.net/~redteam316/+junk/xsplash-config seems to offer a way around that
[21:44] <kwwii> at least that is what http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1337671 says
[21:47] <zniavre> i check this thank you
[21:53] <kwwii> zniavre: hope it helps :)
[21:53] <zniavre> :o)
[21:54] <zniavre> not easily as i hope
[21:54] <zniavre> but a good way to think
[21:54] <kwwii> well, loic and ken are working on that xsplash stuff, so it will work
[21:54] <kwwii> both are canonical employees and one is even french :p
[21:55] <zniavre> i generaly trust you and launchpad ppa
[22:02] <zniavre> more than me (i m not sur of what to do really) :o)
[22:04] <zniavre> do i need to recompile xsplash with the new src/xsplash.c or just adding a xsplash.cfg into usr/share/images/xsplash ?
[22:05] <zniavre> as you can see im looking for one easy way
[22:32] <kwwii> well, recompiling is the hard way
[22:32] <kwwii> adding the xsplash.cfg stuff seems much easier
[22:33] <kwwii> and allows you to have others easily install it on their systems without the risk of scking things up
[22:33] <kwwii> fscking things up ;)
[22:55] <JesseW> kwwii: so, I've looked over all the images, and most of them have problematic licenses on flickr...
[22:55] <kwwii> JesseW: yes, but as I mentioned, we contacted each directly
[22:56] <kwwii> and they gave us permission to relicense them under a CC as we needed
[23:00] <kwwii> JesseW: I think that adding a link to the flickr page in the authors file is a great idea, btw
[23:05] <kwwii> JesseW: btw, there is also another package with the rest of the short-list in my ppa, if you want to work on that too ;)
[23:13] <JesseW> sorry, net trouble