[01:00] <rot26> i recently asked sharkoon to consider to support linux. no reply from them. still there are bug's regarding their products around. :(
[07:49] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[08:23] <cge> Err - I'm a bit concerned about the new user Aquile (aquila-studio) on launchpad—is there any way to make sure the user isn't randomly changing around info on old bugs?
[08:24] <cge> I just got an email about a four-year-old bug being changed from Fix Released to Fix Committed for seemingly no reason, and the account was made today.
[08:26] <jmarsden> cge: Perhaps you could change it back, with a comment that status changes always require an accompanying explanation in a comment?
[08:26] <cge> Ah, good point!
[08:26] <micahg> cge: unfortunately with the AJAX controls, this is a common occurance
[08:27] <persia> cge: I can't find any way to show the set of status changes made by a user, only bugs the user comments on, subscibes to, or otherwise becomes involved with.
[08:27] <cge> persia: yes, I was hoping someone here might have access to something more
[08:27] <cge> But I hadn't thought about the ajax controls issue
[08:27] <persia> cge: You might consider filing a bug against malone to request a +statusmodifiedbugs feature, which would help in these cases.
[08:28] <persia> cge: If we want people with fancy access, you'd do better to ask in #launchpad.  Variations in access in this channel are usually related to things like setting importance or nominating for releases.
[08:28] <cge> Ah
[08:29] <cge> I'm not used to all these fancy new rooms
[08:29] <cge> ubuntu-bugs is already too new for me
[08:30] <persia> heh.  There's *lots* of channels.  It's just that the Ubuntu as a whole is only one of many users of launchpad, and that's handled by a different group of people.
[08:30] <persia> Since we use it a lot, we tend to know many of the tricks, but we're not the admins.
[08:30] <cge> I seem to recall a time when there was only #ubuntu and #ubuntu-devel :)
[08:31] <persia> There was such a time, and we used bugzilla :)
[08:31] <cge> Yes, yes.
[08:31] <thekorn> seems like 100 years ago for me
[08:31] <persia> Only about 5, really.
[08:31] <cge> I remember being quite skeptical of launchpad.
[08:32] <persia> I think #ubuntu-bugs came into existence in early 2005
[08:35] <cge> Hmmm... you're right; it's quite a bit older than I thought.
[08:37] <AnAnt> Hello, I have collected bug information and saved it in a file: /tmp/apport.compiz.BXLJ7f.apport , how can I send this collected information to a certain bug number ?
[08:44] <persia> AnAnt: Try `apport-bug /tmp/apport.compiz.BXLJ7f.apport`
[08:45] <persia> Unfortunately, I believe that files a new bug report.  apport-collect is supposed to collect information for an existing bug report, but I don't see how to feed it information.
[08:45] <persia> If you're feeling adventerous, you could always try to write some python for something that worked something like a mix of the two :)
[08:50] <AnAnt> if I can make that collect function read from a file
[11:31] <slacker_nl> hello, can I ask for sponsering in this channel?
[12:02] <vish> om26er: hi... indicator applet complete is not installed by default :)
[12:08] <vish> om26er: also , others should confirm the bug... if the reporter confirms their own bug , it isnt really a confirmation :)
[12:10] <om26er_> plz any one make these two bugs wishlist against gtk+ https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/503692  &  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/503694
[12:10] <vish> slacker_nl: sponsoring you mean mentoring?
[12:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503692 in gtk+2.0 "file open dialog does not allow location copy" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[12:11] <vish> hmm.. om26er_ heh i was talking to your ghost ;)
[12:11] <vish> om26er_:  om26er: hi... indicator applet complete is not installed by default :)
[12:11] <vish>  om26er: also , others should confirm the bug... if the reporter confirms their own bug , it isnt really a confirmation :)
[12:12] <slacker_nl> vish: no, sponsoring for this particular case, although mentoring would also be welcome
[12:12] <om26er_> vish, i confirmed because it reproduced it on two live cds. but next time I will be careful
[12:13]  * om26er_ installed on both
[12:13] <vish> slacker_nl: yeah... i just noticed the chat on -motu :) ...nvm me ;)
[12:21] <om26er> how can i know if the bug is upstream
[12:25] <om26er> pedro_, are you reporting upstream the other bug or should i do that?
[12:26] <pedro_> om26er, found a couple of similar reports there, i've commented already
[12:26] <pedro_> our report is a bit abstract though, so let's wait for reporter feedback
[12:26] <pedro_> morning kamusin
[12:26] <kamusin> hey pedro_
[12:42] <slacker_nl> vish: regarding mentoring, would you mentor a new bug squad member or packager?
[12:42] <vish> slacker_nl: i'm not well versed with either :(
[12:43] <vish> slacker_nl: hggdh or pedro_  might help you out with the bug squad... they know more about that
[12:44] <pedro_> kamusin, g-p-m bug day! yay!
[12:45] <kamusin> yeah
[12:50] <slacker_nl> vish: k
[13:23] <om26er> this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/500663 is wishlist for notify-osd
[13:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500663 in notify-osd "Notification mouseover behavior is unintuitive" [Undecided,New]
[13:26] <vish> om26er: thats i probably a Wont fix from notify osd... ;) but we can let the concerned devs do that
[13:26] <vish> that is*
[13:26] <vish> om26er: also most probably a dup
[13:28] <vish> om26er: oh , oops read wrong bug
[13:30] <vish> om26er: that is actually something that is in the specs , but hasnt been implemented
[13:31]  * vish searches for main bug
[14:02] <LimCore> god I hate when developers make think harder for user because of trying to make thinks "simplier"
[14:02] <LimCore> *things
[14:06] <LimCore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/506975
[14:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 506975 in ubuntu "Not showing names of applets in add applet" [Undecided,New]
[14:07] <LimCore> can we make clipboard working in linux please?
[14:07] <LimCore> s/linux/ubuntu with gnome
[14:11] <LimCore> user data loss because of lack (by default) of Glipper - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/506980 - please set priority and consider fixing this b simply installing glipper by default
[14:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 506980 in ubuntu "Clipboard is broken. Gnome must include glipper by default" [Undecided,New]
[14:16] <om26er_> plz mark triaged against nautilus: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/492240
[14:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 492240 in nautilus "Add an option in Nautilus' preferences to not show mounted partitions on desktop" [Wishlist,Incomplete]
[14:17] <pedro_> om26er_, done, thanks for sent it upstream
[14:18] <hggdh> LimCore: this sounds more like a main inclusion request. Glipper is already there, it needs to be brought to main and integrated
[14:20]  * thekorn does not get the bugreports at all, what's so wrong with having no clipboard manager?
[14:20] <LimCore> it REALLY really really needs!
[14:21] <LimCore> thekorn: 1. copy  2. paste.... oh wait, your data is lost. drat!
[14:21] <LimCore> expected result:  1. copy  2. paste works  (even if source app was closed)
[14:21] <LimCore> for me as the and user he result is: "OH MAN how could even damn clipboard not work as it should!!! it works in windows since 2 decades what the hell"
[14:22] <LimCore> and a simple inclusion would fix this
[14:22] <vish> isnt there a long standing bug for the copy-paste?
[14:22] <thekorn> honestly, I don't expect this to work this way
[14:22] <thekorn> if I close an application, I expect the data to be lost
[14:23] <thekorn> and if this does not fit my workflow, I know there are helpers around it, like glipper
[14:23] <LimCore> thekorn: you are quite unique in this, widespread expectation is that it will stay
[14:23] <thekorn> so I install it, and use it
[14:23] <LimCore> since I bet over 95% users expect otherwise, it should by default work the "usuall" way
[14:23] <thekorn> really, this suprises me
[14:24] <vish> LimCore: how is that a bug? that probably needs to be discussed on the desktop mailing list or the gnome mailing list
[14:24] <thekorn> you are fastr in guessing random numbers ;)
[14:24] <LimCore> well, it works like this in windows and macos, so for 98% of computer users out there
[14:24] <vish> the inclusion of glipper i mean*
[14:24] <LimCore> vish: or any other way to make it work
[14:24] <hggdh> vish: this is why I said it is more a MIR than anything else
[14:25] <vish> yeah
[14:25] <LimCore> hmm I will convert it to MIR later then
[14:25] <thekorn> anyway, both bugs have a wrong target, ubuntu is wrong, it should be glipper
[14:25] <LimCore> not gnome?
[14:26] <hggdh> ooooh, the bug was opened against Ubuntu? Wrong, wrong
[14:26] <hggdh> target is glipper
[14:26] <thekorn> why gnome?
[14:28] <hggdh> LimCore: you want glipper to be installed by default. So the target is glipper. Ubuntu, or Gnome, have nothing to do with it
[14:30] <thekorn> btw, copying text in gedit, closing gedit and pasting it in gnome terminal works for me, without a clipboard manager
[14:31] <hggdh> IIRC, it will not work if you copy from FFox, close FFox, and try to paste it elsewhere
[14:32] <thekorn> righ, but it makes the bugreport less worse ;)
[14:32] <LimCore> also if you copy from serveral other places
[14:32] <hggdh> LimCore: when you describe the user cases, please leave comments about how stupid, nonsensical, etc out
[14:33]  * hggdh tends to leave aside bugs with hiperboles
[14:34] <hggdh> e.g., "it REALLY really really needs"
[14:35] <hggdh> ^ hyperbolic statement, fully disregarded by down-to-earth hggdh ^
[14:48] <om26er> i can't reproduce a bug but the reporter says he can and gives steps to reproduce what status should i give it?
[14:49] <om26er> and also i made it invalid 3days ago.
[14:50] <thekorn> om26er, if the reporter was able to give detailed infos on how to reproduce it, it should not be invalid, and switched back to New
[14:50] <om26er> thanx
[14:53] <LimCore> om26er: which bug
[14:53] <Hobbsee> !info glipper lucid
[14:54] <ubot4> Hobbsee: glipper (source: glipper): Clipboard manager for the GNOME panel. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1.1ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 68 kB, installed size 632 kB
[14:54] <om26er> LimCore, https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-applet/+bug/491184
[14:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491184 in indicator-applet ""Lock Screen" in applet menu does not work" [Undecided,New]
[14:54] <Hobbsee> wow, that's small
[14:54] <om26er> LimCore, and also in my case i am using lucid and the reporter is using karmic
[14:55] <thekorn> hello Hobbsee ;)
[14:56] <Hobbsee> hey thekorn!  :)
[14:57] <Hobbsee> thekorn: i'm wondering what the reason is that's not in already
[14:58] <LimCore> om26er: oh cool, I confirm that
[14:58] <Hobbsee> thekorn: seems very small and simple - doesn't seem like "no one's actually done the work ot put it in" would be the reason
[14:58] <LimCore> I seen it happening some months ago
[14:58] <LimCore> not 100% sure if it was 9.10 or 9.04 though
[14:58] <thekorn> Hobbsee, don't know, actually I'm suprised that a user needs a clipboard manager at all, but it might just be me
[15:00] <Hobbsee> thekorn: i know that ubuntu behaves the same as windows conventionally does here, and i'm guessing that could be a reason.  not sure
[15:00] <LimCore> thekorn: ask 20 random people. Or just think, its default that way on windows, mac os x and KDE, that covers probably 98%+ percent of desktops users
[15:01] <Hobbsee> thekorn: (up to XP inclusive, no idea about later versions)
[15:02] <LimCore> it acts this way from windows 95 (or 3.11?) till windows 7 inclusive
[15:02] <thekorn> hmm, so it might be just me, fair enough. I don't know how things work outside gnome ;)
[15:03] <LimCore> gnome is unique in setting up this trap at users ;)
[15:03] <thekorn> call it inovation ;)
[15:04] <LimCore> we can all this inovation Amnesia™.  You think your text is secure in clipboard on Gnome? Ha, think again! ;)
[15:05] <om26er> plz make it wishlist/low https://bugs.launchpad.net/netbook-remix-launcher/+bug/470454
[15:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 470454 in netbook-remix-launcher "Ubuntu Netbook Remix launcher support for right-to-left languages is lacking" [Undecided,New]
[15:06] <LimCore> om26er: I seen this bug, bot not sure in which version; should I mark it confirmed then?
[15:06] <LimCore> the 491184
[15:07] <Hobbsee> om26er: can't do that one - it's not for the ubuntu project
[15:07] <om26er> Hobbsee, ok
[15:07] <thekorn> om26er, you are looking at upstream bugreports, this bugreports are not targeted to ubuntu, people in this channel don't have more rights than you
[15:07] <om26er> thekorn, not all i guess only last one
[15:08] <om26er> LimCore, yes mark it confirm and also mention you dont face it in lucid?
[15:08] <thekorn> om26er, the indicator applet one was also an upstream bugreport
[15:09] <om26er> thekorn,  indeed. ok now i will only ask for downstreams
[16:06] <Laibsch> I see yesterday's meeting was postponed to the 19th?  Same time?
[16:06] <Laibsch> 1600 UTC
[16:09] <micahg> Laibsch: indeed
[16:09] <Laibsch> OK
[16:09] <Laibsch> You forgot to update the wiki ;-)
[16:09] <Laibsch> Fixed
[16:12] <xteejx> Afternoon all
[16:23] <plars> anyone know offhand which package /usr/lib/cups/backend/scsi belongs to? (and no, dpkg -S does not find it)
[16:34] <jibel> plars: it belongs to cups in backend-available/ and linked to backend/ during postinst
[17:12] <xteejx1> bug 315438 - my own bug, cannot Confirm it myself, can someone perform triage on this please?
[17:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 315438 in linux "[intrepid/jaunty] wireless keeps dropping out when using high bandwidth on atheros 5007" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/315438
[17:24] <xteejx> bug 503727 upgraded to Triaged status
[17:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503727 in computer-janitor "computer-janitor-gtk crashed with KeyError in create_column()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503727
[17:27] <hggdh> hum. gmail seems to have borked
[17:28] <xteejx> hggdh, its ok for me
[17:28] <hggdh> getting errors when going to my inbox...
[17:28] <hggdh> but SPAM is OK :-)
[17:28] <xteejx> lol!
[17:29] <xteejx> As long as you can see all the rubbish eh
[17:29] <hggdh> heh
[17:29] <xteejx> hggdh, is it ok thru POP, or do you not have it setup
[17:30] <hggdh> this is cool. I couold not log in, gmail returned an error. There was a link "technical error information". Clicking on it I got "error 93". Duh. *Now* I know what happened.
[17:31] <hggdh> xteejx1: I usually go via POP. But I sent a scan to my account, and it has not yet appeared. This is why I tried via URL
[18:16] <xteejx1> anyone around?
[18:16] <komputes> xteejx1: heya!
[18:17] <xteejx1> komputes: hey! are you part of bug control at all?
[18:17] <komputes> xteejx1: not yet ;) only bugsquad, but what do you need impotant-tafied?
[18:18] <xteejx1> komputes: It's just my bug 315438 hasn't been looked at, should really be Triaged, or Confirmed status at least, but I can't do wither myself
[18:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 315438 in linux "[intrepid/jaunty] wireless keeps dropping out when using high bandwidth on atheros 5007" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/315438
[18:18] <xteejx1> *either
[18:19] <xteejx1> no-one bothered to triage it - well one did but left it and I completely forgot it was there :)
[18:20] <xteejx1> komputes: could you mark it confirmed please, unless someone can set Triaged for me please?
[18:20] <komputes> xteejx1: I don't have that hardware but have seen a similar bug, sec
[18:21] <xteejx1> komputes: you don't need to - 4 other people have this problem its already confirmed, just needs status setting, but i'm not allowed to change my own bug status
[18:22] <xteejx1> :)
[18:24] <komputes> xteejx1: take a look at this, same PCI ID - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/374265
[18:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 374265 in linux "Acer Aspire ONE, Atheros AR5001 (168c:001c) frequently causes all AP clients to disassociate" [Medium,Triaged]
[18:25] <xteejx1> komputes: AR5001 is the ethernet, not the wifi
[18:25] <xteejx1> no hang on forget that
[18:25] <xteejx1> linux always reported this as AR5007 not 5001
[18:26] <komputes> mistake in the title - that bug PCI ID
[18:26] <komputes> Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01)
[18:26] <komputes> Your bug PCI ID
[18:26] <komputes> Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01)
[18:26] <komputes> same issue, frequent disconnecting
[18:27] <bddebian> Boo
[18:27] <xteejx1> yeah I just noticed that, how strange that lucid is reporting it as AR5001 in lspci..... its an AR5001, but it's got the right chipset... same wifi though....very strange
[18:27] <xteejx1> hey bddebian
[18:28] <komputes> an ath5k driver issue that seems to be frequent in 9.04/9.10
[18:29] <xteejx1> komputes: now in lucid too :(
[18:30] <komputes> xteejx1: I don't see a 5007 in the lspci
[18:30] <komputes> xteejx1: I just see nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] Ethernet [10de:0760] (rev a2)
[18:30] <xteejx1> no no
[18:30] <xteejx1> my wifi IS AR5007, but is reported now as AR5001
[18:30] <komputes> xteejx1: that's the only ethernet, plus this bug has much audio debugging info, very unclear
[18:30] <xteejx1> hence the confusion
[18:31] <komputes> xteejx1: where is it reported as this?
[18:31]  * thekorn checks his watch
[18:31] <xteejx1> on the box of the laptop
[18:31] <thekorn> hey bddebian
[18:31] <komputes> xteejx1: I wouldn't trust that
[18:31] <xteejx1> lol
[18:32] <komputes> it's worth a note in the desciption though.
[18:32] <xteejx1> well whatever, its reported correctly/wrongly somewhere...just confused me is all why the AR5001 was the same....but thats because its the same bloody thing :)
[18:32] <bddebian> Hello xteejx1, thekorn
[18:32] <xteejx1> yeah I'm adding to it
[18:32] <xteejx1> hey
[18:33] <komputes> xteejx1: I think the ath5k issue with performance will be fixed when this bug is fixed: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/461419
[18:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 461419 in linux "[Karmic] Atheros AR5211 - ath5k driver connection and performance issues" [High,Triaged]
[18:34] <komputes> xteejx1: when that is fixed, I believe the other two will work as well. 461419 is the master bug which is escalated and has the highest priority.
[18:34] <komputes> xteejx1: hope that helps.
[18:34] <xteejx1> hehe thanks :) fingers crossed for this being worked on soon and for 1004
[18:35] <komputes> xteejx1: sure hope so, I would add your info to 461419 (PCI ID, Adverised name, Make/Model of PC) and mark the bug as affecting you/subscribe
[18:36] <xteejx1> komputes: of course ;)
[18:36] <komputes> xteejx1: more attention, more affected users, better chance of getting more eyes and more pressure to resolve ath5k preformance issues.
[18:36] <komputes> cheers!
[18:36] <xteejx1> don't worry its all done - i am bug control :P
[18:37] <komputes> I'm going to do an application soon.
[18:37] <komputes> to bug control.
[18:38] <xteejx1> why not :) get it in soon, I'll +1 ya hehe
[18:41] <vish> bcurtiswx: hi..  why was the papercut invalid in the empathy bug? [regarding the icon protocol]
[18:44] <xteejx1> do the apport bug reports get ignored?
[18:44] <xteejx1> re bug 451620
[18:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 451620 in linux "[Hewlett-Packard Compaq Presario CQ50 Notebook PC] suspend/resume failure [non-free: nvidia]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451620
[18:49] <Thingymebob> bug 505416 has gone with recent updates, do I mark it invalid or fix released
[18:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 505416 in xorg-server "Segfault if mouse is moved during initialization " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505416
[18:49] <xteejx> invalid
[18:50] <Thingymebob> xteejx, Cheers
[18:50] <xteejx> theres a standard response for it on the wiki too :)
[18:50] <Thingymebob> thx
[18:50] <xteejx> no probs
[18:54]  * xteejx is getting fed up with all this snow!
[18:54] <mucha090> hi all
[18:54] <xteejx> hi
[18:54] <mucha090> i have little problem
[18:54]  * thekorn too!
[18:54] <mucha090> i can`t shutdown my ubuntu karmic
[18:55] <xteejx> !ubuntu
[18:55] <ubot4> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[18:55] <xteejx> oops :D
[18:55] <thekorn> wrong one ;)
[18:56] <xteejx> mucha090: Support is in #ubuntu, this is for triaging only
[18:56] <xteejx> thekorn: hehe :)
[18:56] <mucha090> ah
[18:56] <mucha090> sorry
[18:56] <xteejx> no worries :)
[18:57] <xteejx> why do people bother reporting bugs if when asked, they don't bother to provide any info?? grrrr
[19:04] <Thingymebob_> bug 503548 Has completely changed behaviour (I don't think this was ever an Indicator Applet bug but couldn't determine where it really was) I now just get the GDM background and no greeter (Can't switch to VT but can SSH) Do I kill the original and open a new bug or change this one
[19:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503548 in indicator-applet "'Switch user' option performs 'Lock screen' action" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503548
[19:05] <xteejx> leave the original bug report as it was, and file another bug for a separate issue, saves confusion
[19:05] <komputes> xteejx: + [Karmic Lucid] hehehe
[19:05] <xteejx> komputes: well it affects both... why not? :)
[19:05] <komputes> yup :D
[19:06] <Thingymebob_> xteejx, thx again Any ideas where the problem really is my guess is GDM
[19:06] <bdmurray> tagging karmic and lucid would be better
[19:06] <xteejx> bdmurray: I have tagged both :)
[19:07] <xteejx> Thingymebob_: Pass on that one, don't know sorry :(
[19:07] <Thingymebob_> cool
[19:09]  * xteejx is back to manual pruning of the Ubuntu bugs
[19:09] <xteejx> *old ones
[19:21] <xteejx> bug 412755 - bug control - help?
[19:21] <ubot4> xteejx: Bug 412755 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/412755 is private
[19:21] <xteejx> bug title: "ubuntuone-client-applet crashed with ImportError in <module>()"  5 dupes
[19:23] <hggdh> xteejx: what about it?
[19:24] <xteejx> hggdh, hey... I just don't know what to do with it, it was never looked at
[19:24] <hggdh> ah, OK.
[19:24] <hggdh> can I take it out of private?
[19:25] <xteejx> i assume so yeah
[19:25] <xteejx> i haven't check the logs tbh
[19:26] <hggdh> oh you were isung a PPA
[19:26] <hggdh> no
[19:26] <xteejx> was i??
[19:27] <hggdh> no, my mistake
[19:27] <hggdh> but where is the stacktrace?
[19:28] <xteejx> don't think apport grabbed one
[19:28] <mucha090> hello again
[19:28] <xteejx> hey mucha090
[19:29] <micahg> xteejx: the version is way out of date
[19:29] <mucha090> i have weird problem
[19:29] <hggdh> xteejx: I cannot confirm -- I do not have a stacktrace, and I have not had this issue
[19:29] <xteejx> ok guys.... invalidate it then?
[19:29] <xteejx> mucha090: what is the problem?
[19:29] <mucha090> `cuz when i wanna shut down my computer he just stopping in
[19:29] <micahg> xteejx: yep
[19:29] <hggdh> xteejx: yes
[19:29] <mucha090> stopping timidity alsa midi...
[19:30] <mucha090> and i cant shutdown or reboot him
[19:30] <xteejx> ummmm ok then guys......
[19:30] <mucha090> i dont know maybe its just an bug
[19:31] <xteejx> mucha090: as we said before you need to ask for support in #ubuntu - if you believe it is a bug then you can file one
[19:31] <xteejx> !bug | mucha090
[19:31] <ubot4> mucha090: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[19:31] <mucha090> yeah i know
[19:31] <micahg> xteejx: apport's comment isn't so correct, there was no version listed as fixed for the other bug
[19:31] <mucha090> but i dont know what i must to do
[19:31] <mucha090> sorry for bad english
[19:32] <xteejx> mucha090: what language do you spea/k
[19:33] <mucha090> pl
[19:33] <mucha090> polish
[19:33] <xteejx> micahg: thats probably because *someone* set the listed one as Fix Released, but if you look at the comments in that bug report, perhaps it shouldn't have been ... "I'm setting this to Fix Released though, as there are new versions available. Please upgrade. If you continue to see the problem, please reset the bug status." .... hardly "Fixed"
[19:34] <micahg> xteejx: yes
[19:34] <hggdh> which, BTW, was a wrong setting
[19:34] <micahg> right, we usually invalidate in that case
[19:34] <micahg> what he said
[19:34] <xteejx> no i know guys, it's just you don't expect things like that from someone with 50000 karma... lol
[19:35] <hggdh> xteejx: it really sounds like he commented the wrong bug
[19:35] <xteejx> hggdh, maybe
[19:36] <xteejx> mucha090: Jeżeli znajdziesz błąd w Ubuntu lub jej pochodne, proszę zgłosić błąd za pomocą polecenia "ubuntu-bug <pakiet>» - Zobacz https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs innych sposobów raport błędów - Błędy w / życzenia botów IRC (nie Ubuntu) można złożyć w http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[19:36] <mucha090> thx
[19:37] <xteejx> mucha090: you're welcome
[19:39] <xteejx> google translate is a wonderful thing
[19:41] <mucha090> yeah
[19:42] <mucha090> i agree
[19:43] <Pici> !pl
[19:43] <ubot4> Na tym kanale używamy tylko języka angielskiego. Możesz uzyskać pomoc w języku polskim na #ubuntu-pl.
[19:44] <Pici> :)
[19:45] <mucha090> sorry but do you know what can TiMidity and that is it is safe to uninstall ?
[21:12] <xteejx> hey guys, bug 82082, I think this should be set Won't Fix - hal is being deprecated for Lucid if I remember correctly, making wodim completely obsolete
[21:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 82082 in cdrkit "wodim couldn't be set suid." [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82082
[21:12] <xteejx> any ideas?
[21:13] <xteejx> btw it's only Invalid for Baltix, not Ubuntu
[21:24] <micahg> xteejx: maybe check changelog/upstream changelog
[21:25] <micahg> will the app be removed or migrated?
[21:25] <xteejx> micahg: it's ok its a dupe
[21:27] <hggdh> anyway, if wodim is orphaned upstream (apart from being a fork of an old version of cdrecord) there not much of a chance of being fixed.
[21:28] <micahg> hggdh: debian has a newer version than Lucid
[21:29] <xteejx> hggdh, as I thought... cdrecord has bypassed wodim in terms of usability, and wodim is pretty old these days
[21:29] <maco> i thought wodim was debian's fork of cdrecord?
[21:30] <maco> and that cdrecord had an un-redistributable license
[21:33] <xteejx> pass :)
[21:33] <xteejx> does anyone know anything about lvm and udev?
[21:40] <xteejx> dw
[21:50] <hggdh> xteejx: you can look at the build log of cdrecord, and at the source package ./debian directory -- look for the copyrights
[21:50] <hggdh> on the build log, we should have lintian warnings
[21:56] <hggdh> no, do not waste time. Our cdrecord (as debian's) is pretty much a soft link to wodim
[22:02] <bcurtiswx> vish: you still here?
[23:39] <m0ar> Can comeone help me form a bugreport, shut down my wireless networking completely :/ Not even fixable by a reinstall .o
[23:55] <xteejx> !bug | m0ar
[23:55] <ubot4> m0ar: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[23:55] <yofel> m0ar: did you check your bios settings?
[23:56] <xteejx> actually yeah that sounds like it could be a physical hardware problem, does it only occur in 1 version, have you tried others? also what exactly is happening with the wifi?
[23:56] <m0ar> yofel: Not relevant, everything works finers in windoose :/
[23:57] <m0ar> xteejx: Can't, I'm unable to use networking in ubuntu ._.
[23:57] <xteejx> m0ar: is this ethernet or wireless?
[23:57] <m0ar> Wireless,
[23:58] <m0ar> Ethernet works
[23:58] <m0ar> the thing is
[23:58] <m0ar> That the wireless workED for four months out of the box, then suddenly screwed up after the recent kernel upgrade. It connects to the router, but I can't get an IP from it
[23:59] <m0ar> unable to ping it
[23:59] <m0ar> route doesn't give output etc
[23:59] <xteejx> m0ar: ok, that could be to do with dhclient not renewing you an IP
[23:59] <xteejx> what version of buntu you using?
[23:59] <m0ar> karmic