| seb128 | night | 00:24 |
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| TheMuso | c/ | 02:13 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:38 |
| didrocks | good morning o/ | 07:38 |
| pitti | kenvandine: FYI, setting WIs in https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-empathy-indicator back to TODO, and instead moving the entire spec | 07:47 |
| baptistemm | good morning | 07:52 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 09:09 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 09:11 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti, how are you? | 09:12 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: Je suis bon, merci! | 09:20 |
| rickspencer3 | hi chrisccoulson | 09:29 |
| rickspencer3 | bonjour mon ami | 09:29 |
| chrisccoulson | hi rickspencer3 - how are you? | 09:29 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, pretty well | 09:29 |
| rickspencer3 | chilling with pitti and didrocks | 09:30 |
| rickspencer3 | watching them work out of the corner of my eye while I surf facebook and play tetris | 09:30 |
| rickspencer3 | it's important to have good managers | 09:30 |
| didrocks | :-) | 09:30 |
| chrisccoulson | lol :) | 09:30 |
| * pitti rubs the whip cracking blisters on his back | 09:30 | |
| chrisccoulson | are you all having lots of fun at the sprint? | 09:32 |
| chrisccoulson | (except for pitti of course, with the blisters on his back) ;) | 09:33 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, so far so good, yes | 09:33 |
| chrisccoulson | awesome:) | 09:33 |
| * rickspencer3 is writing a blog post about it atm | 09:33 | |
| seb128 | hey | 11:31 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128 | 11:31 |
| TeTeT | asac: do you have time for another nm related question? If I have more than one connection, which one is set as default route? Can I control this somehow? Or disable this multi-homed environment at all? | 11:46 |
| TeTeT | asac: well, actually more like 3 questions ... | 11:46 |
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| asac | TeTeT: ethernet > wireless > 3G ... you can try to manually add routes in the IPv4Settings tab of connections and use metrics for the default route to achive that | 11:58 |
| asac | i am not sure if the metrics trick still work, but it did at some point in the past | 11:59 |
| asac | let me know | 11:59 |
| * hyperair wonders what do metrics do for routes | 11:59 | |
| TeTeT | asac: can you do that programmically via d-bus? | 12:02 |
| asac | TeTeT: you can do everything through dbus | 12:03 |
| asac | that is possible ,) | 12:03 |
| asac | but it might be complex | 12:04 |
| TeTeT | asac: is there any documentation for the API? | 12:04 |
| asac | TeTeT: i dont think so. but i might be wrong. you can introspect dbus APIs for NM using d-feet | 12:07 |
| TeTeT | asac: d-feet? | 12:07 |
| TeTeT | asac: how to use that? I see nm-applet there, but no object paths or alike | 12:10 |
| TeTeT | asac: ah, have to go to system bus it seems | 12:11 |
| asac | yes | 12:11 |
| asac | TeTeT: in the source there is ./docs/NetworkManager\ DBUS\ API.txt | 12:13 |
| asac | check that | 12:13 |
| * asac thinks that should be packaged | 12:13 | |
| asac | i am not sure how up-to-date or accurate that is maintained | 12:13 |
| asac | but before doing this, first try if the metrics trick helps | 12:14 |
| TeTeT | asac: awesome, thanks | 12:14 |
| asac | TeTeT: the normal way is to disconnect from the ethernet connection (there is a button now in applet) if you dont want it to have the main traffic | 12:15 |
| TeTeT | asac: ok, I wait for the customers use case to see if they really need to toggle this routing manually | 12:17 |
| asac | kk | 12:18 |
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| TeTeT | asac: thanks for your help :) | 12:31 |
| asac | np | 12:32 |
| huats | hello everyone | 12:57 |
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| rodrigo_ | any idea why NetworkManager says my eth0 device is not managed? and how can I set it to manage it? | 13:15 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: does it appear in /etc/network/interfaces ? | 13:19 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, I added it by hand | 13:22 |
| rodrigo_ | seems the installation didn't detect it | 13:22 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: no, after rebooting it still says it's not managed | 13:30 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: hey | 13:44 |
| chrisccoulson1 | hey pitti | 13:44 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: just as a heads-up for boot speed | 13:45 |
| pitti | it looks like we can change the plan to move the 10s target to UNE | 13:45 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: which seems easier to do, since we have fewer applets, fewer processes (like no nautilus desktop rendering), and more code under our control (UNE launcher) | 13:45 |
| chrisccoulson1 | so, the 10s target will not apply to the standard desktop? | 13:46 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: so the main targets are now gconfd and panel speed up | 13:46 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: I don't think we will be able to meet it TBH | 13:46 |
| chrisccoulson1 | UNE still uses gnome-session and g-s-d doesn't it? | 13:46 |
| pitti | panel speedup will benefit both desktops, but there's still nautilus/themes/fonts/etc. | 13:46 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: it does | 13:46 |
| chrisccoulson1 | yeah, i can still look at some other desktop components to help speed it up | 13:47 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: http://piware.de/tmp/unity-full.png | 13:47 |
| chrisccoulson1 | but at least the gnome-session, g-s-d and gconf work i've done will be beneficial for UNE | 13:47 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: so, I have some thoughts about those and would like to run them by you if you have a minute? | 13:47 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: so, you have changes in the pipe for g-s and g-s-d to start in parallel with gconf, right? | 13:48 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: for gconfd my idea was as follows: | 13:48 |
| chrisccoulson1 | pitti - can do (although, i might need to hide the chat window occasionally) | 13:48 |
| pitti | - pull gvariant into glib (once Ryan confirms that it's scheduled to land in the near future) | 13:48 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: heh, boss mode? :-) | 13:48 |
| pitti | - rip out /var/lib/gconf/defaults/%gconf-tree.xml | 13:49 |
| pitti | - replace it with a gvariant serialization file | 13:49 |
| pitti | if gvariant is out of the question for some reason, we could also investigate how fast sqlite is | 13:49 |
| pitti | but parsing a 2.2 MB XML file which has mostly noise is just crack | 13:49 |
| pitti | do you think that's too crackful? | 13:49 |
| chrisccoulson1 | pitti - yeah, it's quite extreme. i wonder how much benefit we'd get by ripping out all the comments | 13:50 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: there are no comments? | 13:50 |
| chrisccoulson1 | that seems a lot of work with gvariant though. some of the work i've already done works around the long gconf delays | 13:50 |
| pitti | ah, so you think it will then just interleave with the other delays, and not be an issue any more? | 13:51 |
| chrisccoulson1 | i did some work to parse the gconf tree in parallel with other things, so that it doesn't delay the whole session from starting | 13:51 |
| pitti | note that we still need to change the startup to launch all programs at the same time, instead of the current serialization | 13:51 |
| pitti | (right now, most programs start 4 seconds into the session | 13:51 |
| chrisccoulson1 | pitti - i'd be a bit nervous about removing the current serialization, as we might introduce weird race conditions and other issues | 13:52 |
| chrisccoulson1 | for example, there are things that g-s-d must do before anything else loads, else you can create extra X round-trips etc | 13:53 |
| chrisccoulson1 | i'd prefer to try and optimise the current serialization rather than remove it | 13:53 |
| pitti | well, that's why we need to do it soon | 13:53 |
| chrisccoulson1 | eg, it might be possible to start the panel and WM at the same time | 13:53 |
| pitti | seb128 played around with that already; did you notice race conditions with that? | 13:53 |
| seb128 | (reading backlog) | 13:54 |
| chrisccoulson1 | i haven't played around with starting everything together yet, but i just wanted to point out that it might cause issues for some people | 13:54 |
| pitti | seb128: wrt. introducing race conditions when starting everything in parallel instad of serializing | 13:55 |
| kenvandine | hey tedg | 13:57 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: back (sorry, spoke with Seb); he said that it didn't cause any obvious regressions, and it starts everything aruond 1.2 seconds in | 14:01 |
| chrisccoulson1 | pitti - as an example, i think at-spi-regsitryd needs to set up some things in the environment before anything else loads (although i can't verify that for sure whilst i'm at work), which is why it is started in the initialization phase | 14:01 |
| pitti | yeah, right | 14:02 |
| chrisccoulson1 | if it doesn't do that before other components load, then it might break assistive technology for some people | 14:02 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: for seahorse-daemon, do you think it's possible to fork, export the env, and then do the real initialization? | 14:02 |
| pitti | this seems to be the other major blocking step | 14:02 |
| chrisccoulson1 | pitti - i think it already does that, but i need to investigate that still | 14:03 |
| chrisccoulson1 | it would need to set the environment before forking, and then doing the real initialization though | 14:03 |
| chrisccoulson1 | as once gnome-session has moved from initialization, it doesn't allow you to change the environment (the dbus method will return an error if you try to do it) | 14:04 |
| tedg | Morning kenvandine | 14:05 |
| seb128 | hey tedg | 14:06 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: right, that's what I was proposing | 14:07 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: is that SSH_AGENT_PID/GPG_AGENT_INFO etc.? | 14:08 |
| pitti | it seems to me that you could create those sockets and determine their pids/values without much inintialization | 14:08 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: of course could couldn't actually talk to them in the first 0.5 seconds after session startup, but who cares.. | 14:09 |
| chrisccoulson1 | pitti - i've got a feeling those 2 variables are set by ssh-agent and seahorse-agent, which load from a Xsession.d script | 14:09 |
| kenvandine | hey stormy_ | 14:10 |
| chrisccoulson1 | seahorse-agent really should be a proper session agent, but it's not on the default install anyway | 14:10 |
| stormy_ | hey kenvandine | 14:10 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: hm, I think that gap is actually just gconf | 14:12 |
| pitti | the delay is trivial on http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/bootchart/seb128-dellmini-lucid-20100106-hacked.png (which has the "start all in parallel" stuff) | 14:13 |
| chrisccoulson1 | pitti - the 0.5s gap after gnome-session starts is mostly gconf | 14:13 |
| chrisccoulson1 | but i've got a fix for that already | 14:13 |
| chrisccoulson1 | pitti - that trace is with my g-s-d, gconfd and gnome-session patches | 14:14 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: right | 14:14 |
| pitti | that's the -hacked charts | 14:14 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: 1006-hacked is your changes plus seb's "one phase" change | 14:15 |
| chrisccoulson1 | pitti - that chart is also with the packages from here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~chrisccoulson/desktop-startup-speed/ | 14:15 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: right | 14:15 |
| pitti | great job with those! | 14:15 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson1, do you know if g-s-d needs to start first? | 14:16 |
| chrisccoulson1 | seb128 - yeah, g-s-d needs to start first really, to set up the xrandr stuff, and the theme as well | 14:17 |
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| seb128 | chrisccoulson1, is xrandr doing anything if there is no config change? | 14:21 |
| seb128 | the g-s-d code I mean | 14:21 |
| seb128 | on a stock install it should do nothing and let xorg the way it is no? | 14:22 |
| chrisccoulson1 | seb128 - good question. i'll have a look later and see what it actually does if there is resolution change needed | 14:22 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: I think we could tell by looking whether we have an xrandr configuration file? | 14:24 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering what seahorse-daemon is actually doing | 14:24 |
| seb128 | seahorse-agent is the one doing gpg agent | 14:24 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: i. e. don't run it unless we have a .config/monitors.xml? | 14:25 |
| chrisccoulson1 | pitti - yeah, that might be possible | 14:25 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1, seb128: so, we need to coordinate who is doing what now | 14:25 |
| pitti | AFAICS we have | 14:25 |
| seb128 | I'm doing the one phase change | 14:25 |
| pitti | 1) speed up gnome-panel (sit down for a week) -- probably robert_ancell, need to confirm | 14:25 |
| pitti | 2) start everything at once -- seb128 | 14:26 |
| pitti | 3) speed up gconfd loading -- I could look into that | 14:26 |
| pitti | 4) land the gconf dependency reduction changes -- chriscoulson | 14:26 |
| TeTeT | asac: any chance that nm 8.1 will land in lucid? a customer is interested in the additional bluetooth phone capabilities. A PPA with 8.1 might be sufficient | 14:26 |
| seb128 | 5) investigate seahorse | 14:26 |
| pitti | 5) not launch xrandr if we don't have a conf file | 14:26 |
| * pitti defers to being 6) | 14:27 | |
| seb128 | 7)... | 14:27 |
| pitti | seb128, chrisccoulson1: ^ does that look complete and sane to you? | 14:27 |
| seb128 | 8) profit? | 14:28 |
| seb128 | yes | 14:28 |
| pitti | I think sabdfl wants to claim 8) :) | 14:28 |
| chrisccoulson1 | sounds good to me | 14:28 |
| sabdfl | me too | 14:28 |
| pitti | all these changes will speed up gnome and UNE | 14:28 |
| pitti | just that it might be enough for UNE, while desktop still suffers from more applets, nautilus desktop rendering, compiz, etc. | 14:29 |
| pitti | while on UNE we have mutter, no nautilus desktop, fewer panels, etc. | 14:29 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: are you interested in 5) ? | 14:29 |
| chrisccoulson1 | pitti - yeah, i'll look at 5 too | 14:29 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson1, pitti: you rock | 14:30 |
| * pitti hugs chrisccoulson1 | 14:34 | |
| pitti | I'll update the work items now to get an updated plan | 14:34 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: your changes were for g-s-d and gnome-session, right? | 14:35 |
| chrisccoulson1 | sorry, i had to disappear to get coffee there | 14:38 |
| chrisccoulson1 | i have a lot of people hovering around my desk ;) | 14:38 |
| chrisccoulson1 | pitti - my changes were for gconf, gnome-session and g-s-d | 14:39 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: thanks | 14:39 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1, seb128: I updated the WIs on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-startup-speed -- does that look ok to you? | 14:41 |
| chrisccoulson1 | pitti - looks ok. the only comment about the g-s-d WI though, is that the change is to load as much as possible without needing gconf | 14:43 |
| chrisccoulson1 | currently, that's only xrandr, as it's the only plugin that doesn't store any settings in there | 14:43 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson1: ah, I see; hm, that means once we eliminate xrandr we won't have a benefit from that any more? | 14:44 |
| pitti | or does it do other stuff as well? | 14:44 |
| chrisccoulson1 | we will still probably load the xrandr plugin, but i'll see if we can reduce the number of X calls for setting up the display configuration, if there is no stored configuration | 14:45 |
| chrisccoulson1 | i'll look in to that though anyway | 14:46 |
| seb128 | does xrdb work in a dynamic way? | 14:48 |
| seb128 | would be nice to delay that one too | 14:49 |
| chrisccoulson1 | seb128 - i was just asking if we even need xrdb? | 14:49 |
| seb128 | we do for openoffice | 14:50 |
| seb128 | the xrdb code is off by default | 14:50 |
| seb128 | the xrdb call we have is from the xsettings option | 14:50 |
| seb128 | and asac had to add fixes there for openoffice previous cycle | 14:50 |
| seb128 | which indicates it's really useful | 14:50 |
| chrisccoulson1 | ah, ok.i didn't realise the xrdb plugin was off by default actually | 14:52 |
| chrisccoulson1 | i was just reading http://mces.blogspot.com/2008/10/improving-login-time-part-1-gnome.html | 14:52 |
| chrisccoulson1 | i think you sent me that link didn't you? | 14:52 |
| seb128 | cassidy, what would be useful to debug a "can't reconnect to icq" error? | 14:55 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson1, yes | 14:56 |
| cassidy | seb128, haze logs | 14:56 |
| cassidy | see http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Debugging | 14:56 |
| seb128 | 'CI | 14:57 |
| seb128 | 'ic | 14:57 |
| seb128 | can't type! | 14:57 |
| seb128 | 'ci | 14:57 |
| seb128 | cassidy, haze is not in empathy debug dialog | 14:57 |
| cassidy | yeah it doesn't implement the debug iface | 14:57 |
| cassidy | so you have to do it old style | 14:57 |
| seb128 | bah | 14:58 |
| seb128 | if I restart empathy that will work | 14:58 |
| seb128 | I already got the issue | 14:58 |
| seb128 | it fails to reconnect but connect fine after a restart | 14:58 |
| seb128 | thanks anyway | 14:58 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, hi, did you see my last dent? | 15:16 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, sorry I forgot to review your and upload your xchat indicator | 15:23 |
| seb128 | I will do that today | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | thx | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | no worries | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, woot! | 15:24 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, so soon I need to start pulling feeds in | 15:28 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2010/01/tonights-photobomb-feature.html | 15:35 |
| seb128 | hey desrt | 15:35 |
| rickspencer3 | there's my microblogging UI | 15:35 |
| rickspencer3 | I suppose the title is maybe a bit silly | 15:35 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, cool, can you make that a separate widget we can include in gwibber? | 15:38 |
| desrt | seb128: hi =) | 15:38 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, yeah, just grab the .ui and .py files | 15:39 |
| rickspencer3 | in other words, it's already a separate widgets | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | great | 15:40 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, does gwibber already use .ui files? | 15:41 |
| kenvandine | now it does :) | 15:41 |
| rickspencer3 | it's a simple dialog, so I could just code the layout | 15:41 |
| kenvandine | the accounts UI does | 15:41 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 15:41 |
| kwwii | seb128: does lucid have the nice new tooltips (from RH I guess)? | 15:41 |
| seb128 | kwwii, no | 15:41 |
| seb128 | mclasen, ^ did the fedora tooltip changes went to GNOME? | 15:42 |
| seb128 | I didn't notice any change in 2.29 I think | 15:42 |
| didrocks | vuntz: do you think that if /apps/panel/general/toplevel_id_list is mandatory, it's possible that the fact there is no applet showing up at the first launch is related to a writing issue? (if I unlock it, run gnome-panel, and then relock it, I have my applets in subsequents launch) | 15:43 |
| kwwii | seb128: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1310730 seems to imply they did make it into gtk | 15:44 |
| seb128 | kwwii, so maybe the theme or something needs to use that | 15:45 |
| kwwii | seb128: hrm, ok..I'll look into it some more, thanks for the help | 15:46 |
| seb128 | kwwii, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599618 | 15:50 |
| seb128 | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599617 | 15:50 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 599618 in gtk "better tooltip positioning" [Normal,New] | 15:50 |
| seb128 | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599617 | 15:50 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 599617 in gtk "a modern tooltip look" [Normal,New] | 15:50 |
| seb128 | kwwii, so not upstream in git | 15:53 |
| seb128 | upstream in bugzilla | 15:53 |
| kwwii | seb128: hrm, can we apply that patch? | 15:53 |
| seb128 | which one? | 15:53 |
| seb128 | round corner? | 15:53 |
| seb128 | the positionning one? | 15:53 |
| kwwii | mainly the positioning one but the rounding would be nice too | 15:53 |
| seb128 | I would like to check with mclasen if he plans to land that upstream first though | 15:53 |
| kwwii | ;) | 15:53 |
| kwwii | ok, sounds good...thanks for the help | 15:53 |
| seb128 | np | 15:54 |
| seb128 | can you open a bug on launchpad for those? | 15:54 |
| seb128 | so it doesn't slip from our list of things to do | 15:54 |
| seb128 | davmor2, not sure why you opened that evolution bug | 15:56 |
| seb128 | could you try asking slangasek rather? | 15:56 |
| seb128 | I think I did advice you to do that before you opened the bug | 15:56 |
| seb128 | it's not evolution's fault if ubiquity removes it on installs | 15:57 |
| seb128 | which it doesn't there on the install I did today btw | 15:57 |
| davmor2 | seb128: slangasek fixed it, it happened because 3 or 4 locales still used the evo-doc-locale file which removed evo | 15:57 |
| seb128 | could you close the bug then? | 15:58 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:58 |
| davmor2 | seb128: sorry I thought slangasek had when he fixed it | 15:58 |
| tseliot | pitti: would something like this work well for you? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/356117/ | 16:06 |
| vuntz | didrocks: hrm, didn't know that, but it might not be a big surprise | 16:06 |
| vuntz | the code might consider nothing is writable if one key is not | 16:06 |
| didrocks | vuntz: should be that so, I'll try to find a workaround | 16:07 |
| pitti | tseliot: yes, looks fine; however, it might be that we need transitional packages and versioned conflicts/replaces | 16:08 |
| pitti | tseliot: we should test the upgrade | 16:08 |
| tseliot | pitti: right, which is why I suggested that we use transitional packages yesterday | 16:08 |
| pitti | tseliot: on a normal system where jockey is already installed, it should work fine | 16:09 |
| pitti | tseliot: you'd just need them on a system where envy is installed, but jockey isn't | 16:09 |
| tseliot | pitti: a corner case but still worth testing | 16:09 |
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| vuntz | didrocks: or you can fix the bug :-) | 16:16 |
| seb128 | hello vuntz | 16:19 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 16:19 |
| vuntz | seb128: I'm sad. Snow is melting here :/ | 16:25 |
| vuntz | ;-) | 16:25 |
| vuntz | seb128: I see you're having fun with login performance | 16:25 |
| seb128 | indeed | 16:26 |
| seb128 | it's rather down to gconf and gnome-panel being slow now | 16:26 |
| seb128 | do you think gnome-panel could do async applets loading? | 16:26 |
| vuntz | seb128: it's supposed to be async already | 16:27 |
| seb128 | hum | 16:27 |
| vuntz | note the "supposed" :-) | 16:27 |
| seb128 | what robert_ancell observed seems to indicate it's buggy | 16:27 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 16:27 |
| seb128 | nice to see you clean gnome-panel btw | 16:27 |
| chrisccoulson1 | vuntz - you like the snow? | 16:29 |
| seb128 | I like the snow too | 16:29 |
| seb128 | when it doesn't make me miss my train | 16:29 |
| seb128 | like today! | 16:29 |
| chrisccoulson1 | heh | 16:30 |
| chrisccoulson1 | i don't mind the snow, but i don't like taking 3 hours to get to work ;) | 16:30 |
| chrisccoulson1 | it took me 1.5hours this morning | 16:30 |
| vuntz | chrisccoulson1: snow is amazing! | 16:31 |
| vuntz | chrisccoulson1: it just makes the world a better place! | 16:31 |
| chrisccoulson1 | vuntz - did you build a snowman? :) | 16:31 |
| rickspencer3 | snow is great, when it's in the mountains where it belongs ;) | 16:32 |
| seb128 | vuntz, you spend your days playing in the snow? ;-) | 16:32 |
| vuntz | chrisccoulson1: I didn't think about it, actually. Maybe next time... | 16:32 |
| vuntz | rickspencer3: you know, before you said that, I used to respect you. :-) | 16:32 |
| chrisccoulson1 | yeah, snow does make everything look quite nice. especially where i live - it's normally fairly dull and grey, but the snow brightens everything up :) | 16:32 |
| fagan | the snow is almost gone in ireland | 16:32 |
| fagan | :( | 16:32 |
| rickspencer3 | vuntz, you don't ski or snowboard? | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | I visit the snow the every weekend, it does not need to visit me | 16:33 |
| vuntz | heh | 16:33 |
| vuntz | rickspencer3: ski, but only a bit. I never tried snowboard | 16:33 |
| vuntz | I just like the atmosphere when there's snow | 16:33 |
| seb128 | people being stucked in cars for hours? ;-) | 16:34 |
| rickspencer3 | vuntz, come to Seattle in the winter, I will show you snow (where it belongs in the mountains ;) ) | 16:34 |
| seb128 | you watch them from you chair since you don't need to go to work? ;-) | 16:34 |
| vuntz | seb128: well, of course, the fact that I don't need to take a car/bus/train to work helps ;-) | 16:34 |
| rickspencer3 | and we can ski on it, as intended | 16:34 |
| seb128 | hehe | 16:34 |
| chrisccoulson1 | vuntz - driving a car to work sucks in the snow ;) | 16:35 |
| chrisccoulson1 | i've spent too much time this week in my car | 16:35 |
| vuntz | chrisccoulson1: you could also choose to not go to work. I mean, if you really hate being in the car... ;-) | 16:36 |
| chrisccoulson1 | vuntz - it did cross my mind, but i'm more professional than that ;) | 16:37 |
| vuntz | of course, at some point, you'd have to stop eating too, since you wouldn't be able to buy food | 16:37 |
| fagan | oh rickspencer3 photobomb is awesome any chance it will replace fspot hehe | 16:37 |
| chrisccoulson1 | some of my colleagues stayed at home though | 16:37 |
| rickspencer3 | fagan, I think it already has | 16:37 |
| * rickspencer3 checks seeds | 16:37 | |
| rickspencer3 | hmmm not yet, probably tomorrow | 16:37 |
| fagan | rickspencer3: hah it is growing quickly though (I stress the word quickly hehe) | 16:38 |
| rickspencer3 | fagan, goocanvas is quite awesome | 16:38 |
| rickspencer3 | and plus segphault has lots of useful code for me to snipe ;) | 16:38 |
| * fagan needs to get said useful code | 16:39 | |
| rickspencer3 | fagan, $bzr branch lp:grabbersnap | 16:40 |
| rickspencer3 | I did the micro-blogging with the Gwibber API of course | 16:40 |
| fagan | rickspencer3: thanks | 16:40 |
| chrisccoulson1 | right, home time :) | 17:24 |
| seb128 | hate this libmozjs thing | 17:59 |
| seb128 | gjs is broken in lucid and I can't figure why | 18:00 |
| seb128 | gjs is broken in lucid and I can't figure why! | 18:00 |
| seb128 | ups lag | 18:00 |
| seb128 | ldd lists libmozjs.so twice | 18:00 |
| seb128 | once correctly and one not found too | 18:00 |
| njpatel | didrocks, process_workspace_switch_grab in src/core/keybindings.c | 18:17 |
| didrocks | njpatel: thanks | 18:24 |
| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks | 18:33 |
| === rodrigo__ is now known as rodrigo_ | ||
| crb | Hi. I have a machine running Karmic and I am trying to disable Compiz. | 19:32 |
| crb | I go to Appearance, last tab, select None for desktop effects; Metacity launches | 19:33 |
| crb | and next reboot I'm back to "Normal" and Compiz. | 19:33 |
| crb | Is the choice of WM still dictated by a gconf key? | 19:33 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| djsiegel | asac: hey, just wanted some more info about removing OOo from UNE | 19:51 |
| djsiegel | is it being removed or replaced or neither? | 19:52 |
| asac | djsiegel: removed and then we see how well we can integrate gdocs as a first step | 19:53 |
| djsiegel | asac: oh, ok | 19:53 |
| asac | thats armel UNE btw | 19:53 |
| asac | cant speak for the rest | 19:53 |
| asac | djsiegel: for email we do something similar: check out: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-arm-webservice-for-email | 19:54 |
| asac | thats a bit better understood | 19:54 |
| asac | e.g nicely integrated | 19:54 |
| asac | would be happy to get your feedback | 19:54 |
| crb | anyone, re compiz/metacity?\ | 20:37 |
| tseliot | crb: what paroblem? | 20:48 |
| tseliot | problem | 20:49 |
| === cyphermo1 is now known as cyphermox | ||
| === robbiew is now known as robbiew_ | ||
| === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox | ||
| === fta__ is now known as fta_ | ||
| * crimsun is pleased that PA is shaping up nicely for 10.04 | 23:55 | |
| crimsun | also, I'll write up the SRU for the p_udev leak shortly | 23:56 |
| asac | \o/ | 23:57 |
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