| strycore | *python script | 13:28 |
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| persia | What sort of python script. One that packages for you? | 13:28 |
| DktrKranz | persia: when I needed sponsorship, I saw packages on mentors.d.o took very long to be reviewed, while those reviewed by a team was taken into account a lot faster | 13:28 |
| strycore | persia, it's for my tweekers project ( https://launchpad.net/tweekers ) | 13:29 |
| DktrKranz | teams have a well-defined workflow, so they are usually quicker in welcoming new members | 13:29 |
| persia | DktrKranz: Makes sense. I tend to work closely with some individual for non-team work (but I haven't done any Debian work in quite some time, and need to get back to it) | 13:30 |
| DktrKranz | persia: yeah, being in touch with one ore more DDs helps a lot, but in cases when this is not possible, my experience says teams are quicker to review stuff, and overall quality is way much better | 13:33 |
| persia | DktrKranz: I generally prefer collaborative work myself (which is why I tend to be more active in Ubuntu than Debian). | 13:33 |
| DktrKranz | maybe we should try that way, as a suggestion | 13:33 |
| persia | Makes sense. Feel like updating the wiki page on New Packages ? | 13:33 |
| DktrKranz | persia: I will. I'll mention some Debian teams which fit the most REVU packages (perl, python, GNOME, KDE, and some) | 13:36 |
| freeflying | persia: DktrKranz either team maintain package or individual's need go through NEW Queue, don't see any difference there | 13:40 |
| persia | freeflying: Nice thing about teams is that one can often get extended peer review prior to NEW, which can speed NEW. | 13:41 |
| persia | Also, team-maintained packages tend to get better attention for transitions, etc. | 13:41 |
| persia | Of course, having a standard sponsor (or being a DD) obviates some of that :) | 13:42 |
| persia | And this is drifting fairly far off-topic :) | 13:42 |
| randomaction | porthose: I see you've put some work into bug 389654, do you feel like finishing it? I can offer you some help if you need it. | 13:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 389654 in lyricue "Please upgrade lyricue" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389654 | 13:51 |
| freeflying | persia: btw, do still have a i18n channel | 13:53 |
| persia | freeflying: I've never been involved in an i18n channel, so I can't say with any authority. Sorry. | 13:54 |
| freeflying | persia: thx dude | 13:54 |
| porthose | randomaction, hehe actually I forgot about it, please feel free :) | 13:55 |
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| DktrKranz | freeflying: well, Debian NEW queue is shorter than what we historically remember these days | 14:21 |
| freeflying | DktrKranz: yes, I experienced, before might need 3 weeks, recently maybe 3 days | 14:22 |
| DktrKranz | things will even improve, stay tuned :) | 14:25 |
| Laney | DktrKranz: more developments? | 14:26 |
| Laney | DktrKranz for ftp-assistant? | 14:26 |
| DktrKranz | help is always appreciated | 14:27 |
| DktrKranz | things move quicker because ftpmaster+ftpteam are 8 members | 14:28 |
| DktrKranz | but more won't harm | 14:28 |
| Laney | just wondered what "things will even improve" meant :) | 14:28 |
| DktrKranz | more features dak side | 14:30 |
| DktrKranz | I fixed a little bug in lintian autorejects, now it works better (with more REJECTs), for your happiness :) | 14:33 |
| Laney | zlib being rejected for embedded zlib? :) | 14:36 |
| DktrKranz | that's lintian fault :) | 14:36 |
| Laney | heh heh | 14:36 |
| DktrKranz | fix was packages weren't checked properly because orig tarball was not available for unpack | 14:37 |
| DktrKranz | s/fix/bug/ | 14:37 |
| AnAnt | Hello, how can I cleanup pbuilder's aptcache from only from *OLD* packages ? | 15:03 |
| persia | AnAnt: try logging in with --save-after-login and running `apt-get autoclean`. | 15:46 |
| Laney | AFAIK pbuilder doesn't store the cache in the chroot | 15:51 |
| Laney | maybe it bindmounts it though | 15:51 |
| Laney | but if not then you can pass --aptcache to --login and then it should work as persia says | 15:53 |
| Laney | oh, he left already... | 15:54 |
| * persia has used pbuilder about twice over a larger number of years, and defers to anyone with actual experience with the tool | 15:55 | |
| Laney | When I get around to setting up LVM again then I will go back to using sbuild | 15:55 |
| Laney | I find it friendlier | 15:56 |
| persia | You find sbuild friendlier? | 15:58 |
| Laney | yep | 15:58 |
| Laney | mainly with the build products it generates | 15:58 |
| persia | For the first few cycles I used sbuild, I only had 20G under LVM, and the rest done differently. | 15:59 |
| persia | I know some people who use LVM on an external drive for sbuild, and non-LVM internall. | 15:59 |
| Laney | the initial cost to setup the apt caches is not insignificant though | 15:59 |
| Laney | I have a spare drive that I could use for it and my Windows partition :) | 15:59 |
| hyperair | Laney: pbuilder copies the cache by default, but you can make it use hard links. | 15:59 |
| Laney | copies where? | 16:00 |
| persia | The initial cost to setuo the apt caches? How do you mean? | 16:00 |
| hyperair | Laney: from /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache? | 16:00 |
| Laney | persia: sbuild doesn't do any caching (or is that wrong?) | 16:00 |
| hyperair | Laney: anyway there's pbuilder --autocleanaptcache | 16:00 |
| hyperair | sbuild doesn't do any caching, from what i've heard | 16:01 |
| Laney | tidy | 16:01 |
| Laney | I only use it with pbuilder-dist | 16:01 |
| hyperair | pbuilder-dist probably has support for that as well | 16:01 |
| persia | sbuild can do caching, if one populates the apt cache for the source. | 16:01 |
| hyperair | i don't usually run --autocleanaptcache for my ubuntu pbuilders | 16:01 |
| persia | But most people seem to use some sort of proxy configuration or local mirror with sbuild. | 16:01 |
| Laney | that's right | 16:02 |
| Laney | I set up apt-cacher-ng or whatever it's called | 16:02 |
| hyperair | i only use it for debian, because i only have one chroot for it (sid). | 16:02 |
| hyperair | if i use --autocleanaptcache, it's going to clean out the debs for my older ubuntu versions. | 16:02 |
| persia | Does pbuilder have an interface that lets you set up a cron job like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/356116/ ? | 16:03 |
| persia | (note that one wouldn't use "clean" if one wanted to cache in the chroot) | 16:03 |
| Laney | pbuilder --update | 16:03 |
| * hyperair generally uses cowbuilder these days | 16:04 | |
| hyperair | it takes up more disk space, but at least i no longer have to have my comp hang for a few minutes while pbuilder extracts the tgz | 16:05 |
| Laney | i had some problem with hardlinks and different filesystems when I used cowbuilder | 16:05 |
| hyperair | use a proper filesystem that supports hardlinks then >_> | 16:05 |
| Laney | didn't investigate, the <1s that pbuilder takes to untar doesn't bother me | 16:05 |
| hyperair | huh?! <1s?! | 16:06 |
| hyperair | what kind of hard disk are you using? | 16:06 |
| Laney | a tasty raptor | 16:07 |
| hyperair | 275M /home/pbuilder/base-lucid-amd64.cow/ | 16:07 |
| hyperair | that's writing out 275M in less than one second. | 16:07 |
| hyperair | i refuse to believe you can hit that kind of speed with anything short of a solid-state | 16:07 |
| * Laney shrugs | 16:08 | |
| persia | It's caching. | 16:08 |
| hyperair | there's only so much you can cache >_> | 16:08 |
| persia | The disk is probably still writing, but the filesystem is available to userspace. | 16:08 |
| * persia is currently caching about 670M | 16:09 | |
| hyperair | caching reads or caching writes? | 16:09 |
| * hyperair gets a laggy mouse for a good 5 minutes when using pbuilder | 16:09 | |
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| persia | hyperair: Sorry. cached in general. I only have about 300M in dirty pages loaded (which should write out at some point, but I set the timeout fairly high to avoid waking the drive unnecessarily) | 16:15 |
| hyperair | hmm | 16:15 |
| hyperair | i think i should set my timeout higher too | 16:16 |
| hyperair | there's a pm-utils-power-save or something in lucid right? | 16:16 |
| hyperair | that does this kind of magic, doesn't it? | 16:16 |
| * persia was fiddling with powertop but probably | 16:16 | |
| hyperair | how do you check the dirty pages anyway? | 16:16 |
| hyperair | the amount of dirty pages i mean | 16:17 |
| persia | But the point was that 270M wasn't unthinkable with 2G+ RAM available. | 16:17 |
| hyperair | hmm true | 16:18 |
| hyperair | you could even make pbuilder extract onto a tmpfs coem to think of it | 16:18 |
| persia | I guess, but I don't really see the point of that. | 16:19 |
| persia | tmpfs is usually limited to RAM/2, which can be tight for some packages (unless you have lots more RAM than I) | 16:19 |
| persia | And if there is RAM available, the system should do cache-on-write, so you shouldn't notice too much performance difference | 16:20 |
| persia | (or if you do, something needs tuning) | 16:20 |
| hyperair | heh right | 16:22 |
| hakaishi | Hi! Anyone up to review qt-shutdown-p? It is a small simple program to shutdown the computer. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-shutdown-p | 16:44 |
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| sivang | hey all | 18:09 |
| highvoltage | hi sivang | 18:14 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 18:26 |
| sebner | hoia bddebian :) | 18:28 |
| bddebian | Heya sebner | 18:29 |
| geser | Hi sebner and bddebian | 18:32 |
| sebner | hihu geser :) | 18:33 |
| bddebian | Heya geser | 18:33 |
| hakaishi | Hi! Anyone up to review qt-shutdown-p? It is a small program to shutdown the computer. It uses qdbus to send a shutdown request to the session manager or to hal or alternatively uses sudo shutdown -P now. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-shutdown-p | 18:52 |
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| jariq | Could someone please review package ipwatchd - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/ipwatchd - and ipwatchd-gnotify - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/ipwatchd-gnotify | 19:29 |
| cemc | when I'm using pbuilder to rebuild a package from universe, can I do a 'one-time' build with enabled universe repos? so it doesn't change the base tgz, but still uses universe? | 19:34 |
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| kamalmostafa | How can I specify debian/control Build-Depends for a situation where the package requires a version of libfoo-dev (>= 1.2.3) but (<< 2.0)? | 19:41 |
| geser | libfoo-dev (>= 1.2.3), libfoo-dev (<< 2.0) | 19:43 |
| kamalmostafa | geser: okay, i thought I tried exactly that and had no joy. I'll try it again! | 19:43 |
| kamalmostafa | geser: yup, that did the trick. Thank you. | 19:53 |
| kamalmostafa | Moto please... Package fraqtive needs retry builds due to the -lGL mesa problem: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fraqtive/0.4.5-1 | 20:58 |
| ScottK | Doing. | 21:00 |
| ScottK | kamalmostafa: I didn't forget about the TI stuff, just busy with $WORK right now. | 21:00 |
| kamalmostafa | ScottK: no problem -- it isn't going anywhere ;-) | 21:00 |
| ScottK | kamalmostafa: Done (building now) | 21:01 |
| kamalmostafa | ScottK: I'll hang on to the trees and you just let me know whenever is convenient for you to review them. tnx for the rebuilds. | 21:02 |
| ScottK | OK. No problem. Thanks for noticing | 21:02 |
| sivang | who can approve my ubunt-dev again? | 21:09 |
| sivang | I am goping to be hacing on stuff for Maemo | 21:09 |
| sivang | that are for ubutu, as in , allow folks to develop for Maemo on ubuntu | 21:10 |
| sivang | so, can I get my upload rights back ? | 21:10 |
| ScottK | sivang: You need to apply to the MOTU Council. | 21:13 |
| sivang | ScottK: how to do that? | 21:18 |
| sivang | ScottK: is there a docuent to read about it? | 21:18 |
| ScottK | It's on the Ubuntu wiki. I don't recall exactly where. | 21:18 |
| fabrice_sp | tsimpson, are you using the patched version of xchat you submitted in bug 507072 ? | 21:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 507072 in xchat "Add support for freenode ircd-seven CAP command" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507072 | 21:20 |
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