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Gbotnostfu02:21
LLStarksasac, fta. is 3.6 a definite for lucid?02:33
micahgLLStarks: yes02:58
LLStarksis there a link to the transition checklist?02:58
crimsunmicahg: default?02:58
LLStarksa blueprint or wiki page?02:58
micahgLLStarks: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-new-firefox-support-model02:58
LLStarksthx02:58
crimsunI guess I can add it to the alternates list for torbutton, since I'm merging it02:58
micahgcrimsun: yep02:59
micahgcrimsun: only02:59
LLStarksthe checkist format is quite meh this time around. mind if i port it to match this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Specs/Karmic/Firefox35Transition02:59
micahgLLStarks: it's a lot different this time around03:02
LLStarkshowso?03:02
micahgfirefox is being turned into an all-in-one vs last time upgrading xul apps was the main focus03:02
LLStarksaside from updating libraries, links, and core components that make firefox what it is, what's there to do?03:03
micahgLLStarks: the blueprint is for the firefox change, not the xul migration03:06
LLStarkslink?03:07
micahgI gave you a link to the blueprint already03:07
LLStarksfor xulrunner?03:08
micahgno, there is none03:08
micahgthat'll probably be expanded later03:08
micahgit's not tied to the FF migration03:08
micahgdirectly03:08
micahgas in FF36 can enter lucid before xul apps are ported03:08
LLStarkscan you give me a tl;dr of what the fundamental changes are for firefox and xulrunner. the blueprints are very informative, but i'm not seeing the big picture03:09
micahgLLStarks: to what end?03:09
LLStarkshow does this all affect ubuntu for lucid and future releases?03:10
micahgLLStarks: FF will be its own entity that can be upgraded major versions during a stable release03:10
micahgwe can go from 3.6 -> 3.7 -> 4.0 -> whatever03:10
LLStarksand this couldn't be done in the past without standalone binaries, right?03:11
micahgin the past it was tied to xul which was tied to many other apps03:11
LLStarksas dependencies?03:12
micahgxul was their deps03:13
LLStarksso, a firefox upgrade won't entail a xulrunner upgrade because firefox uses its own xulrunner?03:16
micahgLLStarks: correct03:16
LLStarksinteresting. does that mean 3.7 and 4.0 would be backported to lucid?03:17
LLStarksbecause it is lts03:17
micahgyep03:17
micahgLLStarks: every future release will have a current version of FF03:17
micahgwhen we jump is yet to be determined03:17
micahgbut it will be possible and happen03:17
LLStarksthis is a great idea. upgrading firefox on ubuntu without ppas or "gksu firefox &" has never been straight forward or wise03:19
micahggksu firefox is a bad idea03:20
LLStarksno kidding.03:20
LLStarkswould this also allow mozilla to start offering an official repo, debs, or apt-urls?03:21
micahgLLStarks: mozilla as in upstream03:21
micahgidk if they have an interest03:21
LLStarksmozilla as an entity that releases firefox03:22
micahgLLStarks: they could do what they want now03:22
micahgLLStarks: why would that be beneficial anyways, we'll be able to offer updates03:22
LLStarksthe updates would be there, but there'd be no instant gratification of downloading the new version the moment it hits the ftp03:23
LLStarksthat is, unless ubuntu coordinates a simultaneous release03:23
micahgLLStarks: that's TBD03:23
micahgwe could do that, but we need to work out the details if it's approved03:24
LLStarksinteresting. thanks for explaining everything.03:25
joelinuxmicahg: you still here03:42
micahgLLStarks: sorry, I was trying to finish up so I could leave work before05:09
LLStarksnah. it's cool.05:10
LLStarksi'm still trying to figure what i might be able to do for the team in terms of help05:10
micahglots of stuff05:12
LLStarkssuch as?05:13
micahgidk05:14
micahgyou can ask asac tomorrow05:15
LLStarksi suck at packaging and i only know a bit of python05:15
micahgidk, maybe you can help with bugs05:20
micahgor testing05:20
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BUGabundo_workmorning09:38
LLStarkshai09:39
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gnomefreakdamn nvidia is broken12:16
asacgnomefreak: could be worse ;)12:18
gnomefreakasac: true12:19
gnomefreakis there something wrong with the bot or tb3.1? the latest is 20091212-457612:23
gnomefreaks/-/r12:24
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gnomefreakasac: it seems tb3.1 doesnt load fully. im guessing it has something to do with the unreposnsive script13:17
gnomefreaktb 3.0 opens 2 tabs one is the mailbox tab and a second tab that is a 40413:41
asacgnomefreak: thats probably a startpage thing13:59
asacmaybe becaues the versoin isnt final13:59
asacplease screenshot13:59
asacLLStarks: so you want to extend you mozillateam contributions?13:59
gnomefreakasac: ok give me a bit seems firefox is having issues loading a bug14:00
gnomefreak3.7 is starting to piss me off now14:04
BUGabundo_workahaah14:04
BUGabundo_workwhy ?14:04
gnomefreakunreponsive scripts14:05
gnomefreakevery page i go to it seems14:05
gnomefreakbe back while i wait for it to load atm its bee ~2 mins14:06
gnomefreaks/bee/been14:06
BUGabundo_workeheh14:06
BUGabundo_worki get that a lot14:06
BUGabundo_workbad plugins14:06
BUGabundo_workor apparmor14:06
BUGabundo_workyofel found a bug in it the other day14:07
BUGabundo_worknot sure its fixed14:07
yofelthat wasn't really a bug, but me somehow having my TMPDIR set to something else than /tmp and apparmor being too stupid to give useful rejection messages14:11
gnomefreakasac: still working on the screenshot firefox-3.6 is very slow to open14:14
gnomefreakits a bug just not in apparmor?14:15
gnomefreakim guessing if this keeps going on i am not going to be here long14:22
gnomefreak3.6 and 3.7 are having same problem it seems14:22
jdstrandgnomefreak: if it is apparmor you should see something in kern.log14:22
jdstrandgnomefreak: unless you happen to be using java which has another bug14:23
gnomefreakasac: http://img706.imageshack.us/i/tbird30404.png/14:36
BUGabundo_workweird14:37
micahgasac: idk if the TB3 breakage on Lucid is the shell16:06
micahgI broke my chroot trying to downgrade dash16:06
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micahggnomefreak: FF3.0 isn't officially EOL unless an annoucement was made recently...they're still planning a 3.0.18 release: http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/29016:25
gnomefreakmicahg: they are? i could have sworn i saw the notice in my email. reading blog16:28
micahgthat was the minutes from Monday's meeting iirc16:29
micahgthey originally said EOY, then EO Jan 2010, now idk16:29
gnomefreakah ok maybe that is what i saw. i no longer have the email but it seems feb14 will be release of 3.0.18. but why did they change it16:36
gnomefreaksorry feb 1616:36
gnomefreakwe should have kept it around than if it is still getting updates instead of removeing it from archives16:37
gnomefreakthere is only a couple that effect us from the looks of it16:40
gnomefreaksome of these were fixed in <3.0.1816:42
gnomefreakthe bugs that effect us from the blockers list are fixed or not getting updated in 3.0 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20flag:blocking1.9.0.18%2B%20-!fixed1.9.0.18,verified1.9.0.18&order=map_assigned_to.login_name,bugs.bug_id16:43
micahggnomefreak: it's only removed from karmic16:47
micahgwe still need to support jaunty/intepid/hardy16:47
gnomefreakwill change when i check email16:51
gnomefreakreload button is gone in 3.616:56
micahggnomefreak: ??17:02
micahgin the rc?17:03
gnomefreakmicahg: the reload button in the tool bar is gone in 3.6~hg20100108r33503+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd117:03
gnomefreakin the past ubufox caused this but as soon as i can close window i will disable it and see.17:04
gnomefreaksorry make that 3.717:04
micahgI have ubufox and 3.6rc117:04
micahgah17:04
micahgthat's different ;)17:04
micahgdo you want to check today's daily to see if it's back?17:05
* micahg can check17:05
gnomefreakmicahg: im using latest daily we have as of 20 minutes ago17:05
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micahgheh, it disappears when you go to a link17:06
gnomefreak3.6 does work here, so its just minefield17:07
micahgheh, they merged the stop and reload buttons17:08
micahggnomefreak: ^^17:09
gnomefreakthat is a bad idea :( but i guess that explains the drop down arrow?17:11
micahggnomefreak: well, the assumption is you only need reload or stop, not both at the same time17:14
micahgthe road to 4.0 is to streamline the UI17:14
gnomefreakah17:16
micahggnomefreak: I don't know if planning is a guarantee of something happening17:21
gnomefreakit never is guaranteed :)17:22
micahgonce they branch 3.7, I doubt 3.0 will last17:22
gnomefreakmozilla 53946617:38
ubottuMozilla bug 539466 in General "Entering search key on History re-orders the listings" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53946617:38
gnomefreakok looks like i cleaned up :)17:43
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ccheneyasac: ugh i must be doing something wrong with copying the bits over because now i got to a point where it is failed due to needing -fPIC19:50
ccheney/usr/bin/ld: .libs/glib-copy.o: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against `g_inet_address_init' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC19:50
ccheneyis it safe for me to convert all of the library over to fPIC and if so where would i do that?19:51
* ccheney thought all libraries in Debian were already fPIC to begin with19:51
asacccheney: thats a false error msg most likely19:52
asacits probably because your symbol is hidden19:52
asacremove the hidden attribute i guess19:52
ccheneyits not set hidden as far as i can tell19:54
ccheneyor is that default?19:54
ccheneywhoa19:56
ccheneythe code seems to be missing entirely19:56
ccheneyits not working because its not in my copy, lol19:56
ccheneyvery odd type of error for a completely missing symbol19:57
bdrungasac: around?20:54
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asacjdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/356255/ ... takes ages where the whiteline is here22:17
asacwhat is it doing?22:17
asacnevermind. i have io issues here with usb disk i figure22:18
jdstrandasac: it is loading the evince profile22:18
asacyeah. probably took ages to get that from disk22:18
asacsigh22:18
jdstrandasac: it is large, and kees and jjohansen are working on optimizing it22:19
jdstrand(mostly jj)22:19
asacwhy is that so broken here :(22:19
jdstrandasac: what is the arch?22:19
asacarm.22:19
asacold babbage board ... i think it has usb issues22:19
* asac out of luck22:19
jdstrandasac: you might talk to jj and see what's going on22:19
asacyeah. for now i defer this to bad disk22:19
asaci assume that loads those files there from rootfs?22:20
jdstrandyes22:20
asacok... dont bother then22:20
jdstrandthe cache file should only ~1MB22:20
asaca bit later i get stuff like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/356257/22:20
asacyeah. but even that is too much most likely ;)22:21
jdstrandit will be loading that into the kernel that is the issue aiui22:21
jdstrandhmm, yeah-- something seems a bit flaky there :)22:21
asacthanks22:21
jdstrandnp22:21
asacthats what i wanted to hear ;)22:21
asaci want my porting environment back :(22:22
asaccant port with only SD cards22:22
LLStarks|Lazyi joined the mozilla squad22:22
jdstrand:(22:22
asacLLStarks|Lazy: thanks. if you want to contribute to branches, request merges for some time and we will add you to full moz team22:22
LLStarks|Lazyok22:22
asacmembership is bound to the need to push to branches22:22
asacand the proof that one is knowing about our procedures ;)22:23
micahgLLStarks|Lazy: there's also bug triage...22:24
micahgwhich we definitely need more help with22:24
asacyeah ;)22:25
asacbug triage is easy nowadays22:25
asacdo initial triage, verify that it makes sense and forward upstream22:25
* micahg can't do all the bugs and packaging :)22:25
asacthen let reporter and upstream talk directly22:25
micahgwhich they can now do in LP :)22:25
asacyes22:25
LLStarks|Lazyso, just basically go through needinfo and unconfirmed firefox bugs?22:25
asacthats what i mean22:25
asaci stopped doing serious bug triage for all the detail bugs because that feature didnt exist and proxying communication is just innefficient22:26
asacnow that its there, one could be really efficient22:26
asacLLStarks|Lazy: no. NEW bugs22:26
asacthose are the ones that need to be processed somehow22:26
micahgthere are about 1500 NEW FF bugs across the 3 packages right now22:26
asacand while doing it, you can forward bugs to the appropriate upstream component22:26
asacif you want to know which one that is, ak here22:27
asacmicahg: yes. i know that its a lot :)22:27
LLStarks|Lazywhich three packages? firefox. firefox-branding. firefox-gnome-support?22:27
* micahg guesses a lot of bugs already have existing upstreams22:27
micahgfirefox, firefox-3.0, firefox-3.522:27
micahgLLStarks|Lazy: bugs in LP are grouped by source package22:27
LLStarks|Lazyis firefox the metapackage or legacy?22:28
micahgTBD22:28
micahglegacy at the moment22:28
LLStarks|Lazyso, 2.0.*22:28
micahgright22:28
micahgso if the issue is 3.0 or 3.5 move it to the appropriate source22:28
micahgand triage there22:28
micahgLLStarks|Lazy: you should probably read this too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage22:30
micahgand ask about any questions you have22:30
asacyes, at the beginning rather ask than guess22:34
asacbetter ask more and get it right ;)22:34
micahgLLStarks|Lazy: I think between asac and myself we've got this channel covered almost 20 hrs/day22:36
LLStarks|Lazyheh22:36
micahgLLStarks|Lazy: we're also privileged to have some upstream devs in here as well22:43
micahgLLStarks|Lazy: BTW, it's generally a good policy to provide a comment when updating the status22:49
LLStarks|Lazywill do22:49
micahgespecially when confirming it's important to note what version22:49
micahgversion(s)22:49
micahgextra points if you can confirm on multiple branches (3.5,3.6,3.7)22:50
LLStarks|Lazywhat's the easiest way to achieve the necessary environment for testing earlier versions?22:51
micahgfor 3.0?22:51
LLStarks|Lazyyah22:51
micahgchroot or virtualbox22:51
LLStarks|Lazythought so22:51
micahgyou can install the upstream mozilla but that only works if you can confirm22:51
micahgif you can't doesn't mean that we don't have the issue22:52
fta2_asac, not good23:18
asacfta2_: ?23:20
fta2_asac, the upgrade to lucid23:20
asachmm23:21
asacwhat happened?23:21
fta2_1 broken dep, 1 install file with a syntax error in it, i've lost keyboard and mouse during the upgrade23:21
fta2_so i'm in remote now :P23:21
fta2_fixing stuff manually23:22
asacfta2_: sounds like fun ;)23:24
fta2_it's slow..23:24
asacstartup?23:24
fta2_now, zillions of updates23:25
fta2_-now+no23:25
asacyeah.23:25
asachmm23:27
asacChanged system type of partition 1 to 82 (Linux swap / Solaris)23:27
asacsince when is solaris in there?23:27
fta2_lol23:28
asaci hope they mean (Linux/Solaris swap) ;)23:29
fta2_what are you doing?23:31
fta2_nexuiz-data 273MB23:32
fta2_nexuiz-textures 521MB23:32
fta2_!23:32
asacyou dont want to know23:32
asacmy good board died, so i am now with my bad board. that has usb issues, so i am now going for SD card and copy the usb partition over ;)23:33
asacand hope i can then at least boot into something again ;)23:33
asacwasted like 5 hours trying to use the usb-storage :( ... but its just broken23:33
asacif not more23:36
asacshould better have spend that time on licensing :/23:37
asacor ffox 3.6 in-archive23:37
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fta2_i hope i will survive reboot23:38
asacensure that all is up-to-date ;)23:39
asacand nothing got removed23:39
asaci am still convinced that upgrading on first day is less risky overall23:39
asacthan doing that at some random point23:39
asaci fail to do that all the time though23:39
asacsigh... sd card is too small23:41
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fta_grrr23:43
fta_i moved to ext4 last week, my last reboot killed me23:43
fta_i hit bug 36533123:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 365331 in grub "Grub error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36533123:43
asacgtk23:48
asacguess i should wait a bit longer23:48
fta_that bug is old, no reason it moves anytime soon, noone cared for 2 releases23:49
fta_i hit it in karmic23:49
asacyeah. but its probably not reproducible anymore?23:50
fta_a friend at work hit it yesterday23:51
fta_it seems to happen when you reboot after a kernel update itself after a migration to ext423:52
asaci am not doing that ;)23:56
asacwisely23:56
asac-> upgrade to ext423:56
asacjust new installs23:56
fta_well, i did the ext4 upgrade one day, reboot was fine, then a new kernel arrived a few days later, reboot: boom23:56
asachmm. thats initramfs problem?23:57
asace.g. ext4 module not in it?23:57
asacor does the uuid change?23:57
fta_i just fixed it once by re-running grub-install as mentioned in the bug23:58
asacfta_: what instructions did you follow for ext4 migration?23:59
asacthere are a few variants i guess23:59
fta_the ones in the ext4 wiki on kernel.org23:59

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