[02:16] <Gbotno> To Stop any virus, delete:    C:programs/cable/stuff/games/abc/1234567890/SHRHYREBN37937946SHRHYREBN37937946SHRHYREBN379379465YUTG6R4Y47657895U6YGHYNGTHTHTYTG6HTJK
[02:17] <Gbotno> To Stop any virus, delete:    C:programs/cable/stuff/games/abc/1234567890/SHRHYREBN37937946SHRHYREBN37937946SHRHYREBN37KTJ5H5H4GHY3333333333322222222222222222222222445777777778877777778888889999O0KMJYUIIUYJJUJ6JUUIJYJMYMYHTYTTYJYYY6Y6YU6HHKU8UUYJ
[02:19] <Gbotno> YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A-WHOLE-LOT.YEP-FREENODE-REALLY-SUCKS-A-LOT!!YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A-WHOLE-LOT.YEP-FREENODE-REALLY-SUCKS-A-LOT!!YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A-WHOLE-LOT.YEP-FREENODE-REALLY-SUCKS-A-LOT!!YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A
[02:19] <Gbotno> YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A-WHOLE-LOT.YEP-FREENODE-REALLY-SUCKS-A-LOT!!YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A-WHOLE-LOT.YEP-FREENODE-REALLY-SUCKS-A-LOT!!YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A-WHOLE-LOT.YEP-FREENODE-REALLY-SUCKS-A-LOT!!YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A
[02:19] <Gbotno> YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A-WHOLE-LOT.YEP-FREENODE-REALLY-SUCKS-A-LOT!!YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A-WHOLE-LOT.YEP-FREENODE-REALLY-SUCKS-A-LOT!!YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A-WHOLE-LOT.YEP-FREENODE-REALLY-SUCKS-A-LOT!!YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A
[02:19] <Gbotno> YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A-WHOLE-LOT.YEP-FREENODE-REALLY-SUCKS-A-LOT!!YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A-WHOLE-LOT.YEP-FREENODE-REALLY-SUCKS-A-LOT!!YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A-WHOLE-LOT.YEP-FREENODE-REALLY-SUCKS-A-LOT!!YO-MOMMA-SO-DAMMNED-FUCKED-UP,FREENODE-WAS-JEALOUS-CUZ-FREENODE-SUKS-COCK-A
[02:21] <Gbotno> stfu
[02:33] <LLStarks> asac, fta. is 3.6 a definite for lucid?
[02:58] <micahg> LLStarks: yes
[02:58] <LLStarks> is there a link to the transition checklist?
[02:58] <crimsun> micahg: default?
[02:58] <LLStarks> a blueprint or wiki page?
[02:58] <micahg> LLStarks: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-new-firefox-support-model
[02:58] <LLStarks> thx
[02:58] <crimsun> I guess I can add it to the alternates list for torbutton, since I'm merging it
[02:59] <micahg> crimsun: yep
[02:59] <micahg> crimsun: only
[02:59] <LLStarks> the checkist format is quite meh this time around. mind if i port it to match this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Specs/Karmic/Firefox35Transition
[03:02] <micahg> LLStarks: it's a lot different this time around
[03:02] <LLStarks> howso?
[03:02] <micahg> firefox is being turned into an all-in-one vs last time upgrading xul apps was the main focus
[03:03] <LLStarks> aside from updating libraries, links, and core components that make firefox what it is, what's there to do?
[03:06] <micahg> LLStarks: the blueprint is for the firefox change, not the xul migration
[03:07] <LLStarks> link?
[03:07] <micahg> I gave you a link to the blueprint already
[03:08] <LLStarks> for xulrunner?
[03:08] <micahg> no, there is none
[03:08] <micahg> that'll probably be expanded later
[03:08] <micahg> it's not tied to the FF migration
[03:08] <micahg> directly
[03:08] <micahg> as in FF36 can enter lucid before xul apps are ported
[03:09] <LLStarks> can you give me a tl;dr of what the fundamental changes are for firefox and xulrunner. the blueprints are very informative, but i'm not seeing the big picture
[03:09] <micahg> LLStarks: to what end?
[03:10] <LLStarks> how does this all affect ubuntu for lucid and future releases?
[03:10] <micahg> LLStarks: FF will be its own entity that can be upgraded major versions during a stable release
[03:10] <micahg> we can go from 3.6 -> 3.7 -> 4.0 -> whatever
[03:11] <LLStarks> and this couldn't be done in the past without standalone binaries, right?
[03:11] <micahg> in the past it was tied to xul which was tied to many other apps
[03:12] <LLStarks> as dependencies?
[03:13] <micahg> xul was their deps
[03:16] <LLStarks> so, a firefox upgrade won't entail a xulrunner upgrade because firefox uses its own xulrunner?
[03:16] <micahg> LLStarks: correct
[03:17] <LLStarks> interesting. does that mean 3.7 and 4.0 would be backported to lucid?
[03:17] <LLStarks> because it is lts
[03:17] <micahg> yep
[03:17] <micahg> LLStarks: every future release will have a current version of FF
[03:17] <micahg> when we jump is yet to be determined
[03:17] <micahg> but it will be possible and happen
[03:19] <LLStarks> this is a great idea. upgrading firefox on ubuntu without ppas or "gksu firefox &" has never been straight forward or wise
[03:20] <micahg> gksu firefox is a bad idea
[03:20] <LLStarks> no kidding.
[03:21] <LLStarks> would this also allow mozilla to start offering an official repo, debs, or apt-urls?
[03:21] <micahg> LLStarks: mozilla as in upstream
[03:21] <micahg> idk if they have an interest
[03:22] <LLStarks> mozilla as an entity that releases firefox
[03:22] <micahg> LLStarks: they could do what they want now
[03:22] <micahg> LLStarks: why would that be beneficial anyways, we'll be able to offer updates
[03:23] <LLStarks> the updates would be there, but there'd be no instant gratification of downloading the new version the moment it hits the ftp
[03:23] <LLStarks> that is, unless ubuntu coordinates a simultaneous release
[03:23] <micahg> LLStarks: that's TBD
[03:24] <micahg> we could do that, but we need to work out the details if it's approved
[03:25] <LLStarks> interesting. thanks for explaining everything.
[03:42] <joelinux> micahg: you still here
[05:09] <micahg> LLStarks: sorry, I was trying to finish up so I could leave work before
[05:10] <LLStarks> nah. it's cool.
[05:10] <LLStarks> i'm still trying to figure what i might be able to do for the team in terms of help
[05:12] <micahg> lots of stuff
[05:13] <LLStarks> such as?
[05:14] <micahg> idk
[05:15] <micahg> you can ask asac tomorrow
[05:15] <LLStarks> i suck at packaging and i only know a bit of python
[05:20] <micahg> idk, maybe you can help with bugs
[05:20] <micahg> or testing
[09:38] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[09:39] <LLStarks> hai
[12:16] <gnomefreak> damn nvidia is broken
[12:18] <asac> gnomefreak: could be worse ;)
[12:19] <gnomefreak> asac: true
[12:23] <gnomefreak> is there something wrong with the bot or tb3.1? the latest is 20091212-4576
[12:24] <gnomefreak> s/-/r
[13:17] <gnomefreak> asac: it seems tb3.1 doesnt load fully. im guessing it has something to do with the unreposnsive script
[13:41] <gnomefreak> tb 3.0 opens 2 tabs one is the mailbox tab and a second tab that is a 404
[13:59] <asac> gnomefreak: thats probably a startpage thing
[13:59] <asac> maybe becaues the versoin isnt final
[13:59] <asac> please screenshot
[13:59] <asac> LLStarks: so you want to extend you mozillateam contributions?
[14:00] <gnomefreak> asac: ok give me a bit seems firefox is having issues loading a bug
[14:04] <gnomefreak> 3.7 is starting to piss me off now
[14:04] <BUGabundo_work> ahaah
[14:04] <BUGabundo_work> why ?
[14:05] <gnomefreak> unreponsive scripts
[14:05] <gnomefreak> every page i go to it seems
[14:06] <gnomefreak> be back while i wait for it to load atm its bee ~2 mins
[14:06] <gnomefreak> s/bee/been
[14:06] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[14:06] <BUGabundo_work> i get that a lot
[14:06] <BUGabundo_work> bad plugins
[14:06] <BUGabundo_work> or apparmor
[14:07] <BUGabundo_work> yofel found a bug in it the other day
[14:07] <BUGabundo_work> not sure its fixed
[14:11] <yofel> that wasn't really a bug, but me somehow having my TMPDIR set to something else than /tmp and apparmor being too stupid to give useful rejection messages
[14:14] <gnomefreak> asac: still working on the screenshot firefox-3.6 is very slow to open
[14:15] <gnomefreak> its a bug just not in apparmor?
[14:22] <gnomefreak> im guessing if this keeps going on i am not going to be here long
[14:22] <gnomefreak> 3.6 and 3.7 are having same problem it seems
[14:22] <jdstrand> gnomefreak: if it is apparmor you should see something in kern.log
[14:23] <jdstrand> gnomefreak: unless you happen to be using java which has another bug
[14:36] <gnomefreak> asac: http://img706.imageshack.us/i/tbird30404.png/
[14:37] <BUGabundo_work> weird
[16:06] <micahg> asac: idk if the TB3 breakage on Lucid is the shell
[16:06] <micahg> I broke my chroot trying to downgrade dash
[16:25] <micahg> gnomefreak: FF3.0 isn't officially EOL unless an annoucement was made recently...they're still planning a 3.0.18 release: http://blog.mozilla.com/meeting-notes/archives/290
[16:28] <gnomefreak> micahg: they are? i could have sworn i saw the notice in my email. reading blog
[16:29] <micahg> that was the minutes from Monday's meeting iirc
[16:29] <micahg> they originally said EOY, then EO Jan 2010, now idk
[16:36] <gnomefreak> ah ok maybe that is what i saw. i no longer have the email but it seems feb14 will be release of 3.0.18. but why did they change it
[16:36] <gnomefreak> sorry feb 16
[16:37] <gnomefreak> we should have kept it around than if it is still getting updates instead of removeing it from archives
[16:40] <gnomefreak> there is only a couple that effect us from the looks of it
[16:42] <gnomefreak> some of these were fixed in <3.0.18
[16:43] <gnomefreak> the bugs that effect us from the blockers list are fixed or not getting updated in 3.0 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20flag:blocking1.9.0.18%2B%20-!fixed1.9.0.18,verified1.9.0.18&order=map_assigned_to.login_name,bugs.bug_id
[16:47] <micahg> gnomefreak: it's only removed from karmic
[16:47] <micahg> we still need to support jaunty/intepid/hardy
[16:51] <gnomefreak> will change when i check email
[16:56] <gnomefreak> reload button is gone in 3.6
[17:02] <micahg> gnomefreak: ??
[17:03] <micahg> in the rc?
[17:03] <gnomefreak> micahg: the reload button in the tool bar is gone in 3.6~hg20100108r33503+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[17:04] <gnomefreak> in the past ubufox caused this but as soon as i can close window i will disable it and see.
[17:04] <gnomefreak> sorry make that 3.7
[17:04] <micahg> I have ubufox and 3.6rc1
[17:04] <micahg> ah
[17:04] <micahg> that's different ;)
[17:05] <micahg> do you want to check today's daily to see if it's back?
[17:05]  * micahg can check
[17:05] <gnomefreak> micahg: im using latest daily we have as of 20 minutes ago
[17:06] <micahg> heh, it disappears when you go to a link
[17:07] <gnomefreak> 3.6 does work here, so its just minefield
[17:08] <micahg> heh, they merged the stop and reload buttons
[17:09] <micahg> gnomefreak: ^^
[17:11] <gnomefreak> that is a bad idea :( but i guess that explains the drop down arrow?
[17:14] <micahg> gnomefreak: well, the assumption is you only need reload or stop, not both at the same time
[17:14] <micahg> the road to 4.0 is to streamline the UI
[17:16] <gnomefreak> ah
[17:21] <micahg> gnomefreak: I don't know if planning is a guarantee of something happening
[17:22] <gnomefreak> it never is guaranteed :)
[17:22] <micahg> once they branch 3.7, I doubt 3.0 will last
[17:38] <gnomefreak> mozilla 539466
[17:43] <gnomefreak> ok looks like i cleaned up :)
[19:50] <ccheney> asac: ugh i must be doing something wrong with copying the bits over because now i got to a point where it is failed due to needing -fPIC
[19:50] <ccheney> /usr/bin/ld: .libs/glib-copy.o: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against `g_inet_address_init' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[19:51] <ccheney> is it safe for me to convert all of the library over to fPIC and if so where would i do that?
[19:51]  * ccheney thought all libraries in Debian were already fPIC to begin with
[19:52] <asac> ccheney: thats a false error msg most likely
[19:52] <asac> its probably because your symbol is hidden
[19:52] <asac> remove the hidden attribute i guess
[19:54] <ccheney> its not set hidden as far as i can tell
[19:54] <ccheney> or is that default?
[19:56] <ccheney> whoa
[19:56] <ccheney> the code seems to be missing entirely
[19:56] <ccheney> its not working because its not in my copy, lol
[19:57] <ccheney> very odd type of error for a completely missing symbol
[20:54] <bdrung> asac: around?
[22:17] <asac> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/356255/ ... takes ages where the whiteline is here
[22:17] <asac> what is it doing?
[22:18] <asac> nevermind. i have io issues here with usb disk i figure
[22:18] <jdstrand> asac: it is loading the evince profile
[22:18] <asac> yeah. probably took ages to get that from disk
[22:18] <asac> sigh
[22:19] <jdstrand> asac: it is large, and kees and jjohansen are working on optimizing it
[22:19] <jdstrand> (mostly jj)
[22:19] <asac> why is that so broken here :(
[22:19] <jdstrand> asac: what is the arch?
[22:19] <asac> arm.
[22:19] <asac> old babbage board ... i think it has usb issues
[22:19]  * asac out of luck
[22:19] <jdstrand> asac: you might talk to jj and see what's going on
[22:19] <asac> yeah. for now i defer this to bad disk
[22:20] <asac> i assume that loads those files there from rootfs?
[22:20] <jdstrand> yes
[22:20] <asac> ok... dont bother then
[22:20] <jdstrand> the cache file should only ~1MB
[22:20] <asac> a bit later i get stuff like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/356257/
[22:21] <asac> yeah. but even that is too much most likely ;)
[22:21] <jdstrand> it will be loading that into the kernel that is the issue aiui
[22:21] <jdstrand> hmm, yeah-- something seems a bit flaky there :)
[22:21] <asac> thanks
[22:21] <jdstrand> np
[22:21] <asac> thats what i wanted to hear ;)
[22:22] <asac> i want my porting environment back :(
[22:22] <asac> cant port with only SD cards
[22:22] <LLStarks|Lazy> i joined the mozilla squad
[22:22] <jdstrand> :(
[22:22] <asac> LLStarks|Lazy: thanks. if you want to contribute to branches, request merges for some time and we will add you to full moz team
[22:22] <LLStarks|Lazy> ok
[22:22] <asac> membership is bound to the need to push to branches
[22:23] <asac> and the proof that one is knowing about our procedures ;)
[22:24] <micahg> LLStarks|Lazy: there's also bug triage...
[22:24] <micahg> which we definitely need more help with
[22:25] <asac> yeah ;)
[22:25] <asac> bug triage is easy nowadays
[22:25] <asac> do initial triage, verify that it makes sense and forward upstream
[22:25]  * micahg can't do all the bugs and packaging :)
[22:25] <asac> then let reporter and upstream talk directly
[22:25] <micahg> which they can now do in LP :)
[22:25] <asac> yes
[22:25] <LLStarks|Lazy> so, just basically go through needinfo and unconfirmed firefox bugs?
[22:25] <asac> thats what i mean
[22:26] <asac> i stopped doing serious bug triage for all the detail bugs because that feature didnt exist and proxying communication is just innefficient
[22:26] <asac> now that its there, one could be really efficient
[22:26] <asac> LLStarks|Lazy: no. NEW bugs
[22:26] <asac> those are the ones that need to be processed somehow
[22:26] <micahg> there are about 1500 NEW FF bugs across the 3 packages right now
[22:26] <asac> and while doing it, you can forward bugs to the appropriate upstream component
[22:27] <asac> if you want to know which one that is, ak here
[22:27] <asac> micahg: yes. i know that its a lot :)
[22:27] <LLStarks|Lazy> which three packages? firefox. firefox-branding. firefox-gnome-support?
[22:27]  * micahg guesses a lot of bugs already have existing upstreams
[22:27] <micahg> firefox, firefox-3.0, firefox-3.5
[22:27] <micahg> LLStarks|Lazy: bugs in LP are grouped by source package
[22:28] <LLStarks|Lazy> is firefox the metapackage or legacy?
[22:28] <micahg> TBD
[22:28] <micahg> legacy at the moment
[22:28] <LLStarks|Lazy> so, 2.0.*
[22:28] <micahg> right
[22:28] <micahg> so if the issue is 3.0 or 3.5 move it to the appropriate source
[22:28] <micahg> and triage there
[22:30] <micahg> LLStarks|Lazy: you should probably read this too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[22:30] <micahg> and ask about any questions you have
[22:34] <asac> yes, at the beginning rather ask than guess
[22:34] <asac> better ask more and get it right ;)
[22:36] <micahg> LLStarks|Lazy: I think between asac and myself we've got this channel covered almost 20 hrs/day
[22:36] <LLStarks|Lazy> heh
[22:43] <micahg> LLStarks|Lazy: we're also privileged to have some upstream devs in here as well
[22:49] <micahg> LLStarks|Lazy: BTW, it's generally a good policy to provide a comment when updating the status
[22:49] <LLStarks|Lazy> will do
[22:49] <micahg> especially when confirming it's important to note what version
[22:49] <micahg> version(s)
[22:50] <micahg> extra points if you can confirm on multiple branches (3.5,3.6,3.7)
[22:51] <LLStarks|Lazy> what's the easiest way to achieve the necessary environment for testing earlier versions?
[22:51] <micahg> for 3.0?
[22:51] <LLStarks|Lazy> yah
[22:51] <micahg> chroot or virtualbox
[22:51] <LLStarks|Lazy> thought so
[22:51] <micahg> you can install the upstream mozilla but that only works if you can confirm
[22:52] <micahg> if you can't doesn't mean that we don't have the issue
[23:18] <fta2_> asac, not good
[23:20] <asac> fta2_: ?
[23:20] <fta2_> asac, the upgrade to lucid
[23:21] <asac> hmm
[23:21] <asac> what happened?
[23:21] <fta2_> 1 broken dep, 1 install file with a syntax error in it, i've lost keyboard and mouse during the upgrade
[23:21] <fta2_> so i'm in remote now :P
[23:22] <fta2_> fixing stuff manually
[23:24] <asac> fta2_: sounds like fun ;)
[23:24] <fta2_> it's slow..
[23:24] <asac> startup?
[23:25] <fta2_> now, zillions of updates
[23:25] <fta2_> -now+no
[23:25] <asac> yeah.
[23:27] <asac> hmm
[23:27] <asac> Changed system type of partition 1 to 82 (Linux swap / Solaris)
[23:27] <asac> since when is solaris in there?
[23:28] <fta2_> lol
[23:29] <asac> i hope they mean (Linux/Solaris swap) ;)
[23:31] <fta2_> what are you doing?
[23:32] <fta2_> nexuiz-data 273MB
[23:32] <fta2_> nexuiz-textures 521MB
[23:32] <fta2_> !
[23:32] <asac> you dont want to know
[23:33] <asac> my good board died, so i am now with my bad board. that has usb issues, so i am now going for SD card and copy the usb partition over ;)
[23:33] <asac> and hope i can then at least boot into something again ;)
[23:33] <asac> wasted like 5 hours trying to use the usb-storage :( ... but its just broken
[23:36] <asac> if not more
[23:37] <asac> should better have spend that time on licensing :/
[23:37] <asac> or ffox 3.6 in-archive
[23:38] <fta2_> i hope i will survive reboot
[23:39] <asac> ensure that all is up-to-date ;)
[23:39] <asac> and nothing got removed
[23:39] <asac> i am still convinced that upgrading on first day is less risky overall
[23:39] <asac> than doing that at some random point
[23:39] <asac> i fail to do that all the time though
[23:41] <asac> sigh... sd card is too small
[23:43] <fta_> grrr
[23:43] <fta_> i moved to ext4 last week, my last reboot killed me
[23:43] <fta_> i hit bug 365331
[23:48] <asac> gtk
[23:48] <asac> guess i should wait a bit longer
[23:49] <fta_> that bug is old, no reason it moves anytime soon, noone cared for 2 releases
[23:49] <fta_> i hit it in karmic
[23:50] <asac> yeah. but its probably not reproducible anymore?
[23:51] <fta_> a friend at work hit it yesterday
[23:52] <fta_> it seems to happen when you reboot after a kernel update itself after a migration to ext4
[23:56] <asac> i am not doing that ;)
[23:56] <asac> wisely
[23:56] <asac> -> upgrade to ext4
[23:56] <asac> just new installs
[23:56] <fta_> well, i did the ext4 upgrade one day, reboot was fine, then a new kernel arrived a few days later, reboot: boom
[23:57] <asac> hmm. thats initramfs problem?
[23:57] <asac> e.g. ext4 module not in it?
[23:57] <asac> or does the uuid change?
[23:58] <fta_> i just fixed it once by re-running grub-install as mentioned in the bug
[23:59] <asac> fta_: what instructions did you follow for ext4 migration?
[23:59] <asac> there are a few variants i guess
[23:59] <fta_> the ones in the ext4 wiki on kernel.org