[00:01] <ScottK> crimsun: Apparently not.
[00:01] <crimsun> well, that's ... odd?
[00:02] <crimsun> ah well, I am not an archive admin, just a peon.
[00:04] <claydoh> ok folks, what are the highlights  for alpha2? anything new besides the new  installer's slideshow
[00:07] <Riddell> kde 4.2 rc 1
[00:07] <Riddell> amarok 2.2.2
[00:08] <claydoh> lol 4.2?
[00:08] <maco> 4.4 :P
[00:08] <maco> he's just keeping us on our toes
[00:08] <maco> hmm now mesa's fixed, i suppose i should upgrade
[00:09] <claydoh> time warp, he tool a trip in the tardis
[00:09]  * claydoh just instlled it tonight
[00:09] <ScottK> claydoh: How's release notes coming?
[00:10] <claydoh> crappily so far, trolling for items of interest other than the new wallpaper
[00:10] <claydoh> which I do honestly like a lot
[00:10] <neversfelde> ScottK: no answer so far on that mobile broadband topic on the devel list, where should I publish this workaround, if it is still wanted?
[00:11] <ScottK> neversfelde: I'd say your guess is as good as mine.
[00:11] <ScottK> I think it ought to be written down.
[00:11] <neversfelde> :)
[00:11] <neversfelde> when is alpha 2 release?
[00:14] <ScottK> Tomorrow (hopefully)
[00:17] <crimsun> maco: make sure you read tseliot's post to -devel ml
[00:17] <neversfelde> ScottK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/knetworkmanager/mobilebroadband
[00:17] <neversfelde> quick and dirty
[00:18] <ScottK> neversfelde: Thanks.
[00:18] <maco> crimsun: uhh.... ok
[01:03] <ScottK> NCommander: Congrats.  kdelibs built on armel
[01:06] <NCommander> ScottK, ugh, only took two retries :-/
[03:09] <BiosElement> Hey I was just using Chakra (based on Arch) (a break from kubuntu), and noticed that image thumbnails work perfectly 'without' the mplayer-thumbs workaround. Any reason for this and is it intended to be fixed for lucid? (I did poke around but I didn't find any bug reports that were really relevent.)
[03:13] <ScottK> BiosElement: Where do you mean?  Image thumbnails in what?
[03:14] <BiosElement> ScottK: In dolphin. They've always been borked for me on kubuntu and the only thing close was an mplayer-thumbnails hack that still didn't quite get it working right.
[03:15] <ScottK> OK.  How do you show them?  I don't use Dolphin much?
[03:15] <BiosElement> I can get a screenshot, just a second...
[03:16] <ScottK> OK
[03:17] <BiosElement> ScottK: Here's a screenshot of Dolphin with a thumbnail. All I did was download the .jpg and it was created automatically. http://i45.tinypic.com/mi31ty.png
[03:22] <ScottK> BiosElement: Seems to work here on icon view.
[03:23] <ScottK> I had to adjust the preview size to be very viewable.
[03:23] <BiosElement> Hmm, That might be it. I'll have to boot a kubuntu install and take a look. Thanks ScottK.
[03:41] <seele> oh my. a seasoned consultant i'm working with who is in her 50's complained to my boss that i "treat [her] like a child"
[03:42] <seele> the woman is older than my own mother lol
[03:43] <ScottK> Nice.
[05:13] <nixternal> hola
[09:15] <markey> ah
[09:15] <markey> thanks for fixing this issue with PulseAudio :)
[09:15] <markey> just did an upgrade, "Please Reboot" icon came
[09:15] <markey> now I can access my soundcard directly again
[09:16] <markey> what was wrong there?
[09:16] <markey> (and gosh, we should get rid of PA, it's a nuisance)
[09:16] <markey> (most KDE devs hate it with a vengeance)
[09:17]  * ghostcube wants to have jackd in all linux distros as default SoundServer :P
[09:17] <ghostcube> morning folks
[09:28] <apachelogger> sound servers ftw!
[09:29] <apachelogger> only good memories on artsd too :D
[09:45] <ghostcube> http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/product_info.php/info/p4907_T-Shirt---ROFLcopter.html/XTCsid/5e6d5dc035c484275f46775f960780e7 :D
[09:48] <apachelogger> anyone cares to organize a new year's meeting?
[09:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: anything paticular on the agenda?
[09:49] <apachelogger> council to get mailing list, discussion on what nixternal wrote about
[10:06] <Lure> Riddell: you reported X crashes - do you get X backtrace? I get bug 507395 in my virtualbox :-(
[10:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah I'll do it in a bit
[10:07] <apachelogger> thx
[10:09] <Riddell> Lure: virtualbox works fine for me, it's the only way I can get lucid to work
[10:09] <Riddell> you may want to follow this page to get a backtrace https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing
[10:11] <Lure> Riddell: interesting...
[10:11] <Lure> Riddell: for me it crashed after install, while live-cd works nicely...
[10:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: did anyone look into auto-dbg-package-installation for dr konqi?
[10:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: not yet
[10:14] <apachelogger> looks rather easy
[10:15] <apachelogger> well, if we had dbg package stored somewhere global for all packages -.-
[10:15] <Riddell> somewhere global?
[10:15] <Lure> Riddell: interesting: running /usr/bin/X in gdb does not crash, it may be related to kdm...
[10:15] <apachelogger> well, currently they are spread all over the place
[10:15] <Riddell> we have the ddeb archive
[10:15] <apachelogger> in the archive, ddeb, backports, ppa
[10:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think ddeb does not even cover backports
[10:16] <Riddell> no
[10:20] <apachelogger> I think we need to do: dpkg-query the .so we need symbols for, hopefully find one package that actually follows the naming paradigm so we just need to attach -dbg, then check if the package is installed, if not if it is installable, if not check if ddebs is in sources.list, if it is => fail, otherwise install package, if package is already installed => fail
[10:20] <apachelogger> possibly ddebs needs to be removed after installation, if it was added by the script
[10:21]  * apachelogger checks how the reference proof-of-concept for debian does it
[10:22] <apachelogger> oh my, that requires apt-file
[11:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: Could we recommend the ddebs repo before we fail (since most users don't know of it)?
[11:07] <Tm_T> ddeb?
[11:08] <ScottK> Special archive for debug packages that are automatically made.
[11:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: ah, forgot to mention that ... if ddebs is not in sources.list => add it :)
[11:09] <apachelogger> then once the script is done remove it again
[11:58] <Riddell> ooh ooh, I got a working lucid
[11:59] <Riddell> is battery applet broken for anyone else?
[12:14] <ghostcube> anyone gets google phishing mails ?
[12:46] <Riddell> "The next releases of SIP, PyQt and QScintilla will either be today or tomorrow" goody
[12:49] <al> [00:12:10] [13.01.2010] <genii> Just some oddities after latest dist-upgrade (KDE 4.3.90) , Firefox one here http://i47.tinypic.com/hs8fh3.png    and apparently no battery on my laptop here http://i45.tinypic.com/21j9hdj.png If I unplug and replug it sees it OK
[12:49] <al> [00:12:11] [13.01.2010] <jtechidna> I have the same behavior irt the battery
[12:49] <al> Riddell: ^
[12:49] <Riddell> thanks
[12:58] <Riddell> network manager seems to have lost its tick icon on connection
[13:05] <Riddell> what is 1:00 PM Pacific time ?
[13:05] <Riddell> in real money?
[13:06] <al> UTC -0800
[13:17] <Riddell> agateau: nice bling on the systray menus
[13:17] <Riddell> (using packages from my PPA)
[13:18] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi riddell who do i contact in order to open a kernel bug in ubuntu, latest kernel -10 brakes some ath5k drivers.. they did a backport but its broken upstream too, a patch surfaced monday so i would like to talk to the mantainer to see if it will be applied
[13:18] <Riddell> _Groo_: bugs in linux are opened the same as for any other package https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[13:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you say there's a patch to stop plasma crashing on login?  is that in bzr?
[13:19] <_Groo_> Riddell: ok thanks.. btw ive seen what you said about sip, etc.. are you gonna do a build for rc1 as soon as they are out? i really need kdebindings for the printer stuff :D
[13:22] <Riddell> _Groo_: yes I hope so, that's important to get sorted
[13:22] <Riddell> _Groo_: why do you need the printer stuff?
[13:22] <_Groo_> Riddell: corporate building, im gonna use the cups web interface for now
[13:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: can you invite me to the private ppa when you finish building kdebindings, ill be more then happy to test it for you
[13:24] <Riddell> _Groo_: you're on karmic or lucid?
[13:24] <apachelogger> hm
[13:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: you know, I think my skype is all crashy due to qt 4.6 ;)
[13:25] <_Groo_> Riddell: lucid
[13:26] <tseliot> Riddell: what's the problem with plymouth (and kdm?) in Kubuntu?
[13:26] <_Groo_> apachelogger: it works fine here latest beta, but it fires up some heavy i/o when starting, dont know why
[13:26] <agateau> Riddell: glad you like it (not sure i do)
[13:26] <apachelogger> _Groo_: because it is proprietary junk I suppose
[13:27] <_Groo_> apachelogger: agreed
[13:27] <apachelogger> fun
[13:27] <agateau> Riddell: can you give me the url for the ppa?
[13:27] <apachelogger> kdewebkit: facebook -> cookies work, google -> cookies work, launchpad -> cookies seem to work but really dont
[13:27] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:28] <Riddell> tseliot: we have no paticular support for plymouth currently, there are some patches for KDM upstream we need to look at and JontheEchidna was looking at a plymouth theme
[13:28] <Riddell> tseliot: what's your query about?
[13:28] <Riddell> agateau: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jr
[13:28] <agateau> Riddell: cool, thanks!
[13:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: launchpad cookies e.g. revu login doesn't work in arora so that could be a general webkit-qt issue
[13:29] <tseliot> Riddell: I worked on the theme (which is a program in its own language) and I noticed that you mentioned some problems with kdm. Furthermore we might want to split the themes from the plymouth package
[13:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: didn't we have this issue some time ago already?
[13:29] <apachelogger> and I wonder why it is always launchpad only that is affected
[13:30] <Riddell> tseliot: before we started testing alpha 2 it wasn't clear if it would work at all but it seems good enough for now
[13:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's not very new
[13:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: I thought it was fixed?
[13:31] <tseliot> ah, good
[13:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've had to switch to another browser for revu for a while now, although other launchpad sites seem ok
[13:32] <apachelogger> maybe something is just broken in revu
[13:32] <Riddell> maybe
[13:38] <apachelogger> oh
[13:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: as usual, I blame python :P
[13:38] <apachelogger> revu hands out a new cookie upon each refresh, even though there is a valid one in the kcookiejar
[13:39] <Quintasan> lol python
[13:39] <apachelogger> and apparently qtwebkit just eats what revu offers
[13:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Battery applet is generally broken for me.  It worked once.  No idea why.
[13:40] <ScottK> Probably it was unplugging and then plugging back in.
[13:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: facebook almost works decently well in kdewebkit now
[13:41] <apachelogger> except that it always directs to the mobile version for some reason
[13:42] <apachelogger> userAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux; de-AT) AppleWebKit/532.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) konqueror/4.3.90 Safari/532.4
[13:42] <apachelogger> no clue why it would do that though
[13:42] <Riddell> google mail works which is the main thing I care about
[13:43] <apachelogger> it appears to be a bit slow though
[13:43] <apachelogger> compared with chromium anyway
[13:44] <Riddell> well chromium runs on google juice, hard to compete with that
[13:44] <apachelogger> but chromium uses the ugly gtk+ :P
[13:45] <apachelogger> that makes me wonder, does kdewebkit use kjs or qt's javascript engine?
[13:46] <Riddell> webkit-qt's javascript engine
[13:46] <Riddell> which is unrelated from qt script's javascript engine
[13:47] <Riddell> google calendar doesn't like it :(
[13:52] <ScottK> That's what akonadi-kde-resource-googledata is for.
[13:58] <jussi01> ScottK: does that package make google cal work in contact?
[13:59] <ScottK> I just played with a little so far.  I know it makes contacts work
[13:59]  * ScottK thinks it does the calendar too, but didn't look into it.
[13:59] <jussi01> o.O if the calendar syncs then thats huge! :D
[13:59]  * jussi01 installs
[14:00] <Riddell> I think nixternal said he had problems getting it to work
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I was planning to put the plasma patch in bzr over the weekend, but then mesa broke so we were all running around in circles trying to fix that
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> I'll do it now
[14:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: hence both engines should be dropped and replaced with chromium's v8 ;)
[14:07] <apachelogger> or is it v9
[14:07] <apachelogger> vn anyway
[14:16] <apachelogger> Riddell, JontheEchidna, nixternal: who is going to answer what?
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> dunno :D
[14:21] <apachelogger> I can make bad jokes about xubuntu developers :P
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kdepim has some hints on virtuoso packaging, might help us with main inclusion: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdepim/README.packagers?view=markup
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> It seems that we can have a binary package with just the server binary, and another with the obdc drivers, then shunt the rest of to universe
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> *off to univese
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> blah, can't speel toady
[14:48] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: can't peel toad?
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:54] <Quintasan> \o
[15:04] <daskreech> hunger_t: Hi
[15:04] <hunger_t> daskreech: Hello!
[15:04] <daskreech> How are you?
[15:05] <hunger> daskreech: Fine but busy:-)
[15:05] <daskreech> :-)
[15:05] <daskreech> Someone was asking me if there was a sip implementation on Kopete
[15:06] <daskreech> I hadn't heard of one but I thought you might of?
[15:06] <hunger> daskreech: No idea. I am out of the telepathy business for a long time now:-(
[15:08] <daskreech> I know :-) Just wondered if you had heard of any :)
[15:09] <daskreech> How's work though hunger?
[15:09] <daskreech> specificallynottohunger: How do you get the settings for systray like http://imgur.com/PuxSc . MIne look nothing like that
[15:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: answer what?
[15:14] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I was going to slim down the virtuoso package today
[15:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: them fine questions in the intervu
[15:14] <apachelogger> as told, I am only good for telling jokes :P
[15:14] <daskreech> apachelogger: hey! You are back! Party :)
[15:15] <apachelogger> was I gone? :P
[15:17] <daskreech> Didn't see you around for quite a few days
[15:18] <apachelogger> you know, I will never really be gone, there will always be a part of me in your hearts ;)
[15:20] <daskreech> durn skippy :)
[15:20] <daskreech> hi rickspencer3
[15:20] <rickspencer3> hiya daskreech
[15:20] <rickspencer3> 'sup?
[15:20] <daskreech> rickspencer3: nothing much how are you doing?
[15:21] <rickspencer3> okee dokee
[15:21] <rickspencer3> working in Paris, atm
[15:21] <rickspencer3> finishing up a mini-sprint
[15:21] <daskreech> Ah sprints are fun
[15:21] <daskreech> I wonder if mini sprints are mini fun
[15:22] <daskreech> Anyone here doesn't have Nepomuk running?
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: There's a triple kde4libs/kdebase-workspace/kubuntu-default-settings upload waiting for main freeze to be lifted :)
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> fixes all the crash-on-startup-style bugs and eliminates the workarounds
[15:30] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: rocking
[15:34] <ScottK> BTW, thanks to the freeze, the 4.3.4 backport finally finished on sparc last night.
[15:35] <nixternal> mornin'
[15:36] <Quintasan> nixternal: \o
[15:37] <daskreech> hi nixternal. Do you do any Qt support work?
[15:42] <nixternal> daskreech: such as?
[15:44] <daskreech> LIke .. umm supporting a small company who wants overview or review of their Qt application?
[15:58] <nixternal> I could if it was needed, just never had to do it as part of a job
[15:58] <nixternal> I do all types of "open source" support work...so if I can read the code, I can support it :)
[15:58]  * ScottK gives nixternal a slap.
[15:58]  * nixternal slaps back this time
[15:58] <ScottK> Of course you do it.
[15:59] <ScottK> Whenever you get asked as a consultant, "Can you ...."
[15:59] <nixternal> yeah, I can do it, just never been asked for support on a GUI framework before
[15:59] <nixternal> kind of threw me off guard a little :p
[15:59] <ScottK> The answer is always yes even if you have to go learn it before the first meeting.
[15:59] <nixternal> for instance, I am working on a PC/104 and embedded Linux network appliance...never did that before, was whicked easy to learn, and it is a blast
[16:00] <nixternal> these little PC/104 clusters are cool as hell
[16:00] <alvin> Hell doesn't seem cool to me :-)
[16:01] <nixternal> ScottK: haha, you are right, I did that with a small company here that wanted an app written for GNOME since they were using Fedora desktops
[16:01] <daskreech> I need some consultation on getting my wife pregnant
[16:01] <daskreech> Of course I can help. Umm Where does your wife work again?
[16:01] <nixternal> that was a super pita, as I had to quickly learn Gtk and try and remember C
[16:01] <nixternal> thankfully I have mastered the art of copy & paste :p
[16:01] <daskreech> And so has Gnome
[16:02] <daskreech> So it's perfect :)
[16:02] <nixternal> I do like PyGTK though, it is a fairly simple setup
[16:02] <daskreech> I started out with Glade
[16:03] <nixternal> now I am not a huge fan of Glade, it feels like I am working with an old Visual Studio, then again I feel that way a bit with Qt Designer
[16:03] <nixternal> I use Qt Designer to mockup, and then view the code and use that
[16:05]  * nixternal installs skype
[16:07] <daskreech> Will kpackagekit not throw up anytime more than one package is in the dependency chain in Lynx ?
[16:07] <daskreech> Does anyone use Qutecom ?
[16:15] <nixternal> alrighty, skype is setup, mic test complete
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: I do have a new mic now, btw :P
[16:16] <nixternal> I have used wengophone before, like the old developer summits where you could call in
[16:16] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: going to join us for this podcast?
[16:16] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: was that you who was talking through a headphone before?
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: that's the plan
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: :D
[16:16] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[16:16] <nixternal> that was classic
[16:17] <nixternal> like for the dev summits in either 2005/2006 I bought a cheap set of plantronics and they work great
[16:17] <nixternal> has volume control and mic mute
[16:17] <ghostcube> plantronics rox
[16:18] <nixternal> I like the initial questions he sent out, very easy to answer
[16:19] <Riddell> I still have no idea if I can do whatever conferencing is needed
[16:21] <nixternal> Riddell: you can't throw skype on your lappy/desktop?
[16:21] <Riddell> no microphone
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> got a pair of headphones? :D
[16:22] <nixternal> haha, do like JontheEchidna and use a headphone :p
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> the only problem is that headphones are a bit quiet
[16:28] <ghostcube> i have some headsets over :D Riddell you want one ?
[16:29] <agateau> anyone already tried the "oxygen molecule" gtk theme? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen-Molecule+KDE+%26+GTK%2B+unified+theme?content=103741
[16:29] <agateau> it's by the same author as QtCurve, and could be a nicer replacement me thinks
[16:30] <Riddell> not I
[16:30] <Riddell> looks interesting
[16:32] <agateau> not the same author actually, but still interesting
[16:32] <agateau> he contributed though
[16:35] <Riddell> http://blogs.fsfe.org/gladhorn/2010/01/14/libattica-012/ if anyone is in a package update mood
[16:37] <_Groo_> are you guys going to backport the new kmix with pulseaudio support? it would be great if it could enter lucid
[16:38] <Riddell> not unless it works equally well for those who don't have pulseaudio, as far as I saw it needed an environment variable set manually
[16:40] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think I can do, mind looking at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7376 ?
[16:40] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: please take a look at new upload http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7376
[16:40] <nixternal> Quintasan: Warning! This package could not be extracted; there's no browsable directory for it on REVU  <- any ideas as to why?
[16:41] <nixternal> is that a bug in revu?
[16:42] <Quintasan> source format 3.0 probably :/
[16:42] <nixternal> ahh, yeah noticed that after I dl'd it
[16:42] <nixternal> any reason why you put it on revu?
[16:42] <nixternal> revu is for new packages, at least last time I checked
[16:43] <Riddell> you can also use it for package updates
[16:43] <Riddell> dput is mildy easier than three attachments to a bug
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> agateau: it's a pixmap theme, which won't respect custom color schemes and such
[16:43] <nixternal> groovy
[16:43] <nixternal> Riddell: do you have to file a bug report for such a thing though?
[16:44] <nixternal> seeing as stuff typically sticks on revu w/o getting touched
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: will do in a bit
[16:45] <Riddell> nixternal: you don't need to file a bug report for a package update, so long as the files get to someone to review and upload you can do whatever you like
[16:45] <Riddell> http://bangarangkde.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/bangrang-1-0-the-basics-released/  lots of new releases today
[16:46] <daskreech> It's already in ppa
[16:46] <daskreech> pulled it just before you mentioned that
[16:48] <agateau> JontheEchidna: oh that sucks :/
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it'd be real nice otherwise :(
[16:50] <Quintasan> hurr, where is new attica tarball
[16:50] <Quintasan> ?
[16:51] <nixternal> fyi, on that theme, I read color schemes and such are going to be supported in a future release
[16:52] <nixternal> agateau and JontheEchidna ^^
[16:52] <Quintasan> nvm, still not on FTP :/
[17:13] <al> is there a way to get the vmlinux kernel image that corresponds the linux-image-..  bzImage from somewhere?
[17:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Looking at the build queue, I suspect you can upload stuff now without getting into too much trouble.
[17:13] <al> maybe the buildds or something like that
[17:29] <daskreech> Anyone has Amarok 2.2.2 ?
[17:29] <daskreech> can you confirm a bug for me?
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: the build-depends need to specify needing pkg-kde-tools 0.5.0 or greater
[17:30] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: anything else?
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> I think debhelper might need 7.3.16 or greater for source format 3.0
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> otherwise looks fine
[17:31] <daskreech> Opening Tools -> Script Manager -> Get New Scripts always freezes the interface for me
[17:31] <Quintasan> testbuilding and uploading then
[17:41] <nixternal> daskreech: what is the bug?
[17:42] <daskreech> Opening Tools -> Script Manager -> Get New Scripts always freezes the interface for me
[17:43] <nixternal> works here
[17:43] <nixternal> Get More Scripts I guess is what you meant
[17:44] <gorgonizer> daskreech: I get similar behavioue here..
[17:44] <gorgonizer> *behaviour..
[17:46] <daskreech> gorgonizer: ok
[17:46] <daskreech> nixternal: 2.2.2 ?
[17:49] <gorgonizer> daskreech: from here it appears that the Script Manager window is not behaving the same as Bookamr and Cover Manager windows.. never appears in the Task Manager, and the whole plasma desktop crawls to a halt.
[17:51] <nixternal> daskreech: yes
[17:51] <daskreech> nixternal: Koala or Lynx ?
[17:51] <nixternal> how long should I keep it open before I notice it?
[17:51] <nixternal> lynx
[17:51] <nixternal> err, karmic
[17:52] <nixternal> 4.4 rc1
[17:54] <daskreech> same here but if I jump to a new desktop and back it's obviously frozen
[17:54] <daskreech>  and i never get a list from the GHNS
[17:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: "Kubuntu needs some CI" what's CI?
[17:55] <daskreech> Klassic Love
[17:55] <daskreech> they misspelt K
[18:02] <_Groo_> nice amarok 2.2.3 is already using ghns2
[18:02] <daskreech> how do I get systray settings to look like http://imgur.com/PuxSc ?
[18:08] <Riddell> nixternal: how is pstoedit coming along?
[18:09] <Riddell> blocked on alpha 2?
[18:10] <ejat> anyone having prob connecting via 3g broadband using knetworkmanager in kde 4.4 sc rc1 ?
[18:11] <ScottK> ejat: Did you look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/knetworkmanager/mobilebroadband
[18:11] <_Groo_> any news when koffice-kde4 in lucid will be bumped to 2.1, 22?
[18:12] <Riddell> 2.1.1 is the new version and nixternal is working on it
[18:12] <ejat> ScottK: not yet .. viewing it .. thanks ..
[18:13] <ScottK> neversfelde:  ^^^ See.  Handy to have it.
[18:18] <ejat> ScottK: thanks again :) it work
[18:20] <ScottK> Riddell: What timezone is the meeting stuff.
[18:20] <ScottK> in?
[18:20] <Riddell> UTC
[18:35] <daskreech> nixternal: KDE 4.4 RC ?
[18:35] <daskreech> JontheEchidna: ping
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> daskreech: pongish
[18:42] <daskreech> JontheEchidna: KDE 4.4 RC ?
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> what about it?
[18:42] <daskreech> YOu have it with Nepomuk?
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:43] <daskreech> You had tagged thigns to check if nepomuk worked in KDE 4.4 B2 ?
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:43] <daskreech> And search didn't work?
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> worked in rc2
[18:43] <daskreech> Ok
[18:44] <daskreech> Does your Search bar work ? My Dolphin Search bar is now a button that open the ctrl+I filter bar
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> it's a separate toolbar
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> I find that trying to add it to the main toolbar makes things act funnyu
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> -u
[18:48] <daskreech> how do I add the - u?
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> funnyu -u = funny
[18:48] <daskreech> Ha I thought it was -unique :)
[18:49] <daskreech> I have settigns -> Toolbars -> Main | Search
[18:49] <daskreech> I toggled search off since i wasn't using it I just toggled it back on and it's not a bar anymore it's a button
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> that's weird
[18:50] <daskreech> Yeah :-(
[18:50] <daskreech> So I can't search for ratings etc
[19:09] <daskreech> JontheEchidna: Hmm ^F pulls up Kfind which is 16 screens long
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> lol
[19:19] <binarylooks> is there a bug report concerning the login failure from kdm in lucid that i can follow?
[19:19] <binarylooks> it is known isn't it?
[19:20] <Riddell> binarylooks: the needs second login to work issue?
[19:21] <binarylooks> hmmm, no login after 10 tests, should it wrk after 2?
[19:21] <Riddell> bug 495100
[19:22] <binarylooks> hmmm, i something else then, "sudo service kdm start" can try 20 times and no login
[19:22] <binarylooks> startx is my friend
[19:23] <binarylooks> ooops, chose "default" again from the session list and now it works, strange
[19:24] <binarylooks> i'll restart and try again
[19:25] <binarylooks> (btw the ubuntu splash looks HOT, looking forward to the kubuntu equivalent)
[19:26] <binarylooks> after reboot login now works immediately, maybe the default session was somehow not activated. anyway. good now
[19:44] <Riddell> nixternal or JontheEchidna: can we test skype before the do?
[19:44] <maco> the do?
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> sure, just a second
[19:44] <nixternal> yo yo
[19:44] <nixternal> let me plugin
[19:44] <nixternal> who called?
[19:44] <maco> nixternal: Riddell
[19:45] <nixternal> I heard something as I was on the phone in the other room and couldn't figure it out
[19:45] <nixternal> I was like "wtf is that noise?"
[19:45] <nixternal> I was upstairs looking to see if I left my alarm/radio on
[19:47] <Riddell> wasnae me but I did add you as a contact
[19:47] <Riddell> maco: we're doing a podcast recording in a bit, alas you have no skype
[19:47] <maco> oh i thought he meant who pinged him in here
[19:47] <danimo_> fabo: ping?
[19:47] <maco> i have skype
[19:47] <maco> and a shitty mic
[19:48] <maco> how long til you do it? i live 4 blocks from a Best Buy and can fetch a usb mic...
[19:51] <nixternal> 1 hour
[19:51] <ScottK> Run maco, run.
[19:52] <maco> actually im using my current mic right now to talk to Riddell
[19:52] <maco> Riddell: does my mic still sound sucky or should i go fetch a new one?
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: are you jriddell or jriddell_test?
[19:53] <maco> jriddell
[19:53] <Quintasan> FUCK MY PRINTER ATE MY PENDRIVE
[19:53] <Quintasan> @_@
[19:54] <Quintasan> omfg, feels so good to have second copy of GPG keys
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> it literally nom'd the pen drive itself? :P
[19:54] <Quintasan> :S
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> can't be good for the gears
[19:54] <Quintasan> I somehow managed to drop it on the paper tray and it was ate during the printing
[19:55]  * JontheEchidna has a two year old photo in skype :s
[19:55] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: can has your skype?
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: echidnaman
[19:55] <maco> question: how do i make skype send video too, not just audio?
[19:56] <Quintasan> maco: you probably need to set up your camera in skype.
[19:56] <maco> did that
[19:56] <maco> but i dont know where the button is that says "ok, now USE the video in this call with this person"
[19:56] <maco> because i have it set to only send video to people i've allowed (which i think means people on my buddylist, but there's no help menu)
[19:56] <Quintasan> maco: IIRC you first call the person and then enable the video in the call window
[19:57] <maco> i see the call window
[19:58] <maco> it has "hold call" "mute" "dialpad" and "hangup" buttons
[19:59] <maco> have any of you heard Riddell through skype before? he mumbles
[19:59] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That's only two years ago?  You look like you're about 10.
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> might be three
[20:00]  * JontheEchidna changes it to a crappy cam pic
[20:00] <fabo> danimo_: pong
[20:01] <danimo_> fabo: hey!
[20:01]  * Quintasan changes his pic too, no big difference
[20:01] <Quintasan> :P
[20:03] <danimo_> fabo: I am working on a ppa for creator HEAD. Is there any project of yours doing the same?
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> my mic works
[20:05] <fabo> danimo_: nice :) no, i don't have creator on my ppa
[20:06] <danimo_> i copied over the qt packages from the beta ppa, and I have done a gdb backport from lucid, because 7.0 is just no fun with creator (it crashes as soon as it hits a bitfield, and Qt uses that feature a lot)
[20:07] <danimo_> fabo: why do you keep your own git tree of creator?
[20:07] <maco> ooh shiny!
[20:07] <maco> Quintasan: i think its this http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=471651
[20:08] <maco> skype bug introduced a week before christmas... no button to send video on linux
[20:08] <fabo> danimo_: you mean the packaging tree on git.debian.org ?
[20:09] <danimo_> fabo: yes
[20:10] <fabo> danimo_: because i co-maintain creator with adam majer. he started that way and we keep this workflow
[20:11] <fabo> danimo_: i planned to use my qt ppa for creator but never find time to do it
[20:19] <markey> apachelogger: yo dude, wb :)
[20:19] <markey> recovered well?
[20:23] <nixternal> booyahkah
[20:23] <nixternal> man, I had a big lunch and I am still hungry
[20:24] <Riddell> have some tinned sweetcorn, can't go wrong with that
[20:26] <ScottK> All carb, no protein.  You'll be hungry again in no time.
[20:26] <nixternal> oh man, speaking of sweetcorn, we have a local start up company that has these vegan meal boxes..and they had this sweetcorn thing in it...oh my it was delicious, and that was cold
[20:27] <danimo_> fabo: btw: would be interesting to have qt creator to work with mingw x-compiler like on fedora
[20:28] <danimo_> fabo: i can't find it anymore, it was on planetkde recently
[20:28] <danimo_> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/MinGW
[20:30] <nixternal> hey, no cussing in here!
[20:30] <nixternal> you said the f word :p
[20:31]  * nixternal personally thinks it would be cool though
[20:31] <danimo_> nixternal: see :)
[20:31] <danimo_> nixternal: I would consider it a "they have done the work, yay" thing
[20:31] <nixternal> speaking of Fedora, I think it is time we go kidnap one of their artists
[20:31] <nixternal> danimo_: most definitely
[20:31] <ScottK> It least they like blue.
[20:32] <ScottK> If we stole on from SuSE it'd be green.
[20:32]  * danimo_ hates the green in suse
[20:32] <nixternal> openSUSE is calming, Fedora is hot
[20:32] <ScottK> Then you're in the right place.
[20:33] <danimo_> ScottK:  well...
[20:33] <nixternal> I didn't like the green either, but I have kind of fallen for it on my openSUSE desktop
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> the green version of the Air wallpaper is really unappealing, imo
[20:34] <nixternal> actually, i find the air wallpaper unappealing
[20:34] <danimo_> packaging newbie question: if I want to replace the orig tarball by a more recent version, how do I make the build tools pick it up:
[20:34] <nixternal> this new basket weave one is interesting, but I can't look at it for long, I start to try and analyze it, and then realize it would make for a shitty basket :)
[20:34] <danimo_> and why did the plasma guys make the panel grey again?
[20:34] <danimo_> with the weird waves
[20:35] <Riddell> the panel is transparent if you have compositing
[20:35] <neversfelde> ScottK: :)
[20:35] <danimo_> Riddell: still looks odd :)
[20:36] <nixternal> actually, on my 1440x900 screen, that new panel and the new wallpaper, actually come together and create a very popular gang sign
[20:37] <nixternal> my brother noticed it, and was like "You will get shot running Kubuntu dude"
[20:39] <nixternal> "Have you done anything remote terminal wise like Citrix?"
[20:39] <nixternal> yeah, like 20 years ago
[20:40] <danimo_> nixternal: hmm?
[20:42] <nixternal> another consulting gig possibility
[20:42] <nixternal> luckily for them I just did help a friend of mine on a recent gig that involved Citrix/remote terminals
[20:42] <Riddell> nixternal: "yes I use ssh -X all the time"
[20:43] <nixternal> we literally brought back to life the tech support system for CompUSA that went down 5+ years ago for Tiger Direct, as they have recently changed all of their stores here in Chicago back into CompUSAs
[20:43] <freinhard> huh, hg is broken?
[20:43] <freinhard> complains about missing osutil python module
[20:44] <fabo> danimo_: what's missing except the win32 cross mkspec ?
[20:44] <danimo_> fabo: I guess that's it
[20:44] <danimo_> fabo: maybe we can push it upstream
[20:45] <fabo> danimo_: i think it shouldn't be hard to do ;)
[20:45] <danimo_> fabo: did you find the url?
[20:45] <fabo> no, just this page -> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MinGW/Tips#Compiling_QT_applications_and_libraries
[20:46] <fabo> i'll take a look tomorrow, after f11 install on vbox
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> ugh, I won't be able to make the interview. The ride I need tonight got here an hour early and can't come back for me later. :(
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> so, I'll be back in ~2 hours
[20:47] <Riddell> ok night JontheEchidna
[20:48] <danimo_> fabo: cool!
[20:49] <danimo_> fabo: so what is the suggested to move the qt creator package to a new source tar ball?
[20:49] <danimo_> suggested way
[20:51] <fabo> danimo_: i'll use a script to get a snapshot from gitorious then generate a proper tarball with appropriate naming scheme
[20:52] <fabo> i have something like that for strigi if you want to take a look
[20:52] <danimo_> fabo: I mean I can just apply the patches on the new tarball, but I need to adjust the dsc file as well
[20:52] <nixternal> Riddell: haha, ssh -X...you know, I think I just used that for the first time ever recently...it didn't go well, so I don't plan on using it ever again
[20:53] <nixternal> I will brb, gotta let the dogs out before this podcast thing
[20:53] <fabo> danimo_: no, generate dsc and tarball on each snapshot
[20:55] <danimo_> fabo: no reuse/
[20:55] <danimo_> ?
[20:55] <freinhard> i'm confused, there is /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/mercurial/osutil.so
[20:55] <freinhard> bot python can't import the module
[20:55] <fabo> danimo_: no tarball reuse, just debian subdir
[20:57] <nixternal> back
[20:58] <danimo_> fabo: cool, the old patches apply cleanly :)
[21:00] <Riddell> nixternal: well, it's 21:00, what happens now?
[21:00] <fabo> danimo_: i sent you some samples right now to have a better overview
[21:00] <nixternal> Riddell: he is calling you now
[21:01] <danimo_> fabo: tnx
[21:01] <fabo> you'll get the idea
[21:01] <nixternal> Riddell: pick up your skype
[21:02] <Riddell> maco: will call you in a sec
[21:03] <Riddell> maco: add him
[21:04] <nixternal> markey: what is your skype name
[21:04] <maco> add whom?
[21:04] <markey> nixternal: not sure tbh, has been a while that I used Skype
[21:04] <nixternal> haha, not you markey I meant maco
[21:04] <nixternal> darn tab complete :)
[21:05] <markey> also it's difficult to get running at all, with KMix showing 30 obscure channels
[21:05] <markey> ah ok ;)
[21:05] <maco> nixternal: um i think its mackenzie
[21:05] <maco> oh nope
[21:05] <neversfelde> seems that the mobile broadband problem is a bit older bug 334122
[21:05] <maco> its macoafi just like my email
[21:05] <maco> nixternal: my skype is macoafi
[21:06] <maco> nixternal: ok gotya
[21:07] <maco> now i have the skype call window on top of the irc window. yay
[21:08] <maco> oh shiny recording message
[21:09] <Riddell> am I clear?
[21:10] <freinhard> anyone willing to promote kraft 0.32 for lucid? on karmic it's still 0.20 which is over two years old.
[21:11] <maco> Riddell: yes you sound fine
[21:11] <freinhard> there's bug #374247 which already took care of the packaging but didn't make it into lucid yet (as far as i can see)
[21:16] <neversfelde> freinhard: looks like someone has to package libctemplate before
[21:18] <freinhard> neversfelde: that google-ctemplate has the packaging files (debian folder) in it's code repository and they provide .deb files
[21:21] <neversfelde> freinhard: I do not know anything about t he license http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/356746/
[21:22] <neversfelde> and there is not debian dir in the tarball, yet. So it would need some work
[21:24] <freinhard> neversfelde: looks clear to me: include the copyright notice and everything is fine.
[21:26] <neversfelde> freinhard: wikipedia says it is a free license. So if you want to package it use the docs here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[21:40] <nixternal> haha, skype crashed right at the end
[21:40] <nixternal> LOL
[21:41] <Riddell> nixternal, maco: we rocked!
[21:41] <nixternal> maco: you had me laughing so damn hard when you go "network"
[21:42] <nixternal> that was an easy podcast, and fun...I think more podcasts need to be done like that, a round table deal
[21:42] <maco> nixternal: why? its what everyone says
[21:43] <nixternal> maco: johnson.richie at att.net for paypal btw, $15 will work just fine, I mean I do have to process an application :)
[21:43] <nixternal> maco: I just wasn't expecting it
[21:43] <nixternal> I was thinking community/social, so it caught me off guard a bit
[21:43] <freinhard> neversfelde: using the upstream debian dir, builds without problems.
[21:43] <nixternal> and then way you just kind of said it
[21:44] <maco> i figured id get the "what everyone says is broken" bit out of the way
[21:44] <maco> like the standard "but you cant play games on linux!" :P
[21:44] <neversfelde> freinhard: so if everything is fine with it, upload to revu and let the motus have a look at it
[21:45] <freinhard> revu?
[21:46] <danimo_> bleh, ubuntus gpg keyserver is down
[21:47] <neversfelde> freinhard: revu.ubuntuwire.com I am sure that the files in debian need improvement, like updating maintainer and so
[21:47] <maco> nixternal: see i figure i should probably learn a bit of pyqt or something before applying. which is funny, because i have kde svn commit access...
[21:47] <nixternal> forget pyqt, learn qt/c++
[21:47] <nixternal> actually, don't forget it
[21:48] <nixternal> but be careful...I did so much Py* programming, that seriously, what is a pointer? :d
[21:48] <freinhard> neversfelde: maintainer is Google Inc.
[21:49] <maco> nixternal: see python screws me up because im so used to C
[21:49] <nixternal> it took me 5 minutes debugging a c++ app I am working on, and it was just a typo...I had to actually google a very common c++ compiling message...I felt so silly
[21:49] <maco> also because i always want to type "pythong"
[21:49] <nixternal> haha, I still type pythong
[21:49] <nixternal> and I don't know why either
[21:49] <freinhard> standards is 4 but is there a reason to set it to 7? just makes it harder to backport to older distributions?
[21:49] <daskreech> pyhtong?
[21:49] <maco> oh good its not just me!
[21:49] <nixternal> and yeah, at first I kept adding ; at the end of a line
[21:49] <neversfelde> freinhard: thats wrong, XSBC-Original-Maintainer should be you and maintainer should be "Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>"
[21:50] <nixternal> maco: at PyCon last year, the guy giving a presentation misspelled it pythong in his presentation...I caught it because it was common to me...I laughed hard at that one
[21:50] <daskreech> Why would you mispell it as pythong ?
[21:51] <nixternal> I have no idea, but I do it
[21:51] <freinhard> neversfelde: what about the standards version?
[21:51] <freinhard> neversfelde: and debhelper
[21:51] <neversfelde> freinhard: it is 3.8.3 now
[21:51] <neversfelde> debhelper and compat are 7
[21:52] <freinhard> neversfelde: does it really need to be set to 3.8.3 and 7 ?
[21:52] <freinhard> neversfelde: in other words: what happens if not?
[21:56] <Riddell> anarchy breaks lose!
[21:57] <Riddell> standards: nothing much, that's just a declaration of following debian policy
[21:57] <Riddell> debhelper: pevious versions of the scripts behaved slightly differently so things might break during build (but probably not)
[22:10] <danimo_> fabo: cool! works! and with teambuilder, MAKEFLAGS=-j20 adds to the real fun :)
[22:16] <nixternal> 20? jeesh, I can do 14 at the most
[22:35] <danimo_> fabo: cool! first (manual) upload of Qt Creator successful
[23:10] <freinhard> neversfelde: uploaded to revu, how do i know if it got accepted? it's not listed yet and got no email.
[23:11] <neversfelde> freinhard: you should get a mail after it is accepted. Normally that happens fast.
[23:12] <neversfelde> freinhard: was there an error message while using dput?
[23:15] <freinhard> neversfelde: http://dpaste.com/145335/
[23:16] <freinhard> neversfelde: i guess i'll just wait another 15minutes
[23:16] <neversfelde> freinhard: yes
[23:20] <freinhard> maybe i should have logged in bevore and set "Yes, I want to receive email notifications about everything related to my uploads.
[23:23] <neversfelde> that is probably a good idea :)
[23:29] <freinhard> hmm still not there, i guess it got rejected
[23:30] <neversfelde> freinhard: try another upload
[23:34] <freinhard> yay, worked this time
[23:34] <freinhard> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/ctemplate
[23:35] <neversfelde> freinhard: Package is for "karmic" but only packages for "lucid" are currently accepted.
[23:35] <neversfelde> and you should open a [needs packaging] bug in launchpad
[23:36] <neversfelde> after that close it in the changelog with * Initial release (LP: #000000)
[23:36] <neversfelde> ah and why 1ubuntu1?
[23:36] <neversfelde> packages that are not in debian should get 0ubuntu1
[23:36] <freinhard> cause i did a dch -i on the original debian folder
[23:37] <neversfelde> freinhard: there should be only one entry in the changelog, if this is a new package and not officially in debian
[23:39] <freinhard> neversfelde: if you change should to must i'll take that serious, otherwise that just sounds like a normal warning people usually ignore ;)
[23:39] <neversfelde> I change it :)
[23:42] <neversfelde> freinhard: I am not a MOTU, so only familiar with the basics. Others in here and #ubuntu-motu are better counterparts for this.
[23:43] <neversfelde> I did not have a closer look at ctemplate, but I think it is a lib, isn't it?
[23:43] <freinhard> erm, why do all report-a-bug links on launchpad redirect to some stupid help.ubuntu.com site?
[23:44] <neversfelde> thats really a mess, I need ages for reporting bugs, too.
[23:45] <freinhard> finally bookmarked the link?
[23:45] <neversfelde> somewhere :)
[23:46] <ScottK> freinhard: You do need to clean up the debian/changelog.  Personally I treat the needs packaging bug as highly optional, but many MOTU don't
[23:46] <freinhard> i feel like going over to #launchpad and start screaming at some dev
[23:47] <freinhard> ?no-redirect does the trick
[23:47] <freinhard> ScottK: yes, to me the lp bug seems to be useless extra work
[23:48] <ScottK> The point is to avoid multiple people working on the same thing.  I see the theory, but don't worry about it much
[23:48] <neversfelde> mhh, it shows other people that somebody is working on it. So it is not completely useless
[23:48] <freinhard> neversfelde: it's aready done so i should have filed that bug some hours ago ;)
[23:49] <neversfelde> hehe
[23:50] <freinhard> do i need to apply some special tag to that bug?
[23:50] <neversfelde> freinhard: needs-packaging
[23:51] <freinhard> what about that watch file?
[23:52] <neversfelde> freinhard: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.de.html#s-watch
[23:52] <neversfelde> sorry german
[23:53] <freinhard> np
[23:53] <neversfelde> ok
[23:54] <neversfelde> freinhard: and from the MOTU docs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Creating%20and%20Using%20a%20debian/watch%20File
[23:58] <freinhard> now what about the lintian file?
[23:59] <neversfelde> freinhard: the package should be lintian clean, debuild -S -sa checks it, if lintian is installed and ofcourse you can run it manually