[00:21] <markit_2> I would love the manual state about GNU/Linux and not "Linux" when referring the whole operating system
[00:23] <sebsebseb> markit_2: oh right yeah
[00:24] <sebsebseb> indeed Linux is just a kernel
[00:24] <markit_2> thanks, I really consider it very important for Free Software :)
[00:24] <sebsebseb> markit_2: some don't like calling a distro   Ubuntu GNU/Linux for example
[00:24] <markit_2> btw, do you know how can I "reclaim" my nick in freenode? someone is using my usual one
[00:24] <sebsebseb> markit_2: well it's not my choice what text they do
[00:25] <sebsebseb> markit_2: ,but the correct people are likely to see this later on
[00:25] <sebsebseb> markit_2: you can lock your nick if it's registered
[00:25] <sebsebseb> so only you can use it
[00:25] <markit_2> sebsebseb: hope they agree also, there is a strange repeated attempt to put the "Free as in freedom" par marginal or avoided
[00:25] <sebsebseb> there's been like two meetings on the text for the manual and that
[00:25] <markit_2> I've registered it, but not locked
[00:26] <sebsebseb> there will be another one coming up
[00:26] <sebsebseb> markit_2: if you hang around here  or come here every now and again,  I am sure you can get quite a few or all of your suggestions in for the manual
[00:26] <sebsebseb> !log
[00:26] <manualbot> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[00:26] <sebsebseb> markit_2: it's logged now as well
[00:26] <sebsebseb> !register
[00:26] <manualbot> Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available in #freenode
[00:27] <markit_2> sebsebseb: I've my "markit" nick registered, but can't use right now because is used by someone else
[00:28] <markit_2> I'm googling for "reclaim nick" but seems that there are confused info about it
[00:28] <markit_2> let's try #defocus
[00:28] <sebsebseb> markit_2: ok I think you got to wait for them to go off it, and then put in the command so only you can use it.  #freenode or Freenode Staff in pm regarding your nick
[00:29] <markit_2> lol, can't post there since I've not a registered link
[00:29] <sebsebseb> markit_2: link you mean nick?
[00:29] <markit_2> yes, sorry
[00:29] <markit_2> s/link/nick
[00:29] <sebsebseb> well someon elese might have the name you want to register,  in which case you can't just use it
[00:29] <sebsebseb> unless...
[00:29] <markit_2> I have registered it time ago
[00:30] <markit_2> so it's "mine", I have the password
[00:30] <sebsebseb> ok well I  told you where you can get help with that
[00:30] <markit_2> so there must be a command to have it back
[00:30] <sebsebseb> they can send you a new password request
[00:30] <sebsebseb> to your email address yes
[00:35] <markit> ok, done with release and ghost commands
[00:35] <markit> thanks for the #freenode suggestion, they helped me
[00:35] <markit> :)
[00:39] <sebsebseb> markit: ok, well I knew they would
[00:40] <sebsebseb> markit: np
[00:40] <markit> ok, I try to upgrade my xorg packages, see you later, I hope
[00:41] <sebsebseb> Konversation terminated
[00:41] <sebsebseb> Konversation :)
[00:43] <sebsebseb> (Konversation terminated!  even as the left message.)
[00:43] <sebsebseb> Now that's a good client!
[00:43] <sebsebseb> :)
[00:44] <sebsebseb> I use it as well.  People are likely to read this later on, hence the messages.
[00:54] <jmburgess> hey everyone
[00:54] <sebsebseb> jmburgess: hmm ended up talking to two guys about the manual a bit, but somewhere else
[01:02] <jmburgess> haha
[01:02] <jmburgess> were you talking about the manual here?
[01:14] <sebsebseb> jmburgess: with the guy that was here a little while ago, but then a tiny bit with two others in another channel as well
[01:27] <jmburgess> cool
[02:11] <humphreybc> afternoon everyone
[02:12] <humphreybc> where was that bug about synaptic?
[02:13] <humphreybc> ah ha it was closed, cool
[02:33]  * humphreybc is pissed off at the docs team failure to see the benefits of our project
[02:38] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: have a look at log, from earlier,  someone had a suggestion for text
[02:39] <humphreybc> ok hold up one sec
[02:40] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: not much to read really, I could have just told you, but anyway :)
[02:43] <humphreybc> yeah just read it
[02:44] <humphreybc> was it about using GNU/Linux instead of Linux?
[02:45] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: yeah
[02:45] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: calling it all Linux is wrong
[02:45] <sebsebseb> Linux is just a kernel
[02:45] <humphreybc> we're not even calling it linux
[02:45] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: oh?
[02:45] <sebsebseb> just Ubuntu then?
[02:46] <humphreybc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/StyleGuide
[03:12] <sebsebseb> humphreybc:  oh another Ubuntu Manual media attention thing
[03:12] <humphreybc> hmm?
[03:12] <sebsebseb> shame wolters  image wasn't choosen though
[03:12] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: yeah
[03:13] <humphreybc> where's the link?
[03:14] <sebsebseb> http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010011303135NWUB which goes to http://www.learningubuntu.com/news/quick-preview-upcoming-ubuntu-manual
[03:16] <humphreybc> no ones has been "chosen" yet - the reporters obviously just grabbed one of the artwork page
[03:16] <sebsebseb> humphreybc  yes indeed,  I meant for their blog/article
[03:16] <humphreybc> oh right sure
[03:16] <sebsebseb> anyway that one says it will be included in 10.04
[03:17] <humphreybc> I'm not going to email them and ask them to change it, our project _will_ be included in Lucid.
[03:18] <sebsebseb> humphreybc I was about to ask if we knew if it would actually be included or not yet
[03:18] <humphreybc> no, we won't know for some time.
[03:19] <sebsebseb> so it might not be in the ISO still?
[03:19] <humphreybc> The Ubuntu folks can't commit to something that isn't completed yet
[03:19] <humphreybc> So we need to try our best to get it finished as soon as possible.
[03:19] <sebsebseb> well that blog says it will be included
[03:20] <sebsebseb> I could quote from it, but well you got a link so no need
[03:25] <sebsebseb> humphreybc wow at those latest cover proposals altough the text would need sorting out properly
[03:26] <sebsebseb> KolorGuild's proposals
[03:26] <sebsebseb> with the last two being my favourite
[03:27] <sebsebseb> humphreybc  good idea to put a date on the comments
[03:28] <sebsebseb> and then people can also add new comments of course?
[03:28] <humphreybc> of course
[03:28] <humphreybc> add some if you want
[03:28] <sebsebseb> my other comment was bits I put on IRC so it's not that great, but yes I am going to do a proper comment, but not yet
[03:30] <sebsebseb> humphreybc who put the thing for overall comments, it does not say
[03:30] <sebsebseb> and indeed at that, the cover page needs to look pro
[03:30] <humphreybc> overall comments are under my heading
[03:30] <humphreybc> they're my comments
[03:30] <sebsebseb> like a professional graphics has made it, however even so,  would be great if the final cover was made using opensource/freesoftware tools rather than Photoshop
[03:31] <sebsebseb> or anything else that isn't open for that matter
[04:53] <wolter> hey humphreybc
[04:53] <wolter> how was the meeting
[04:54] <humphreybc> gidday
[04:54] <humphreybc> what meeting?
[04:54] <wolter> sorry that I did not assist, but is impossible for me to
[04:54] <wolter> because its at 6 am, and that is like the pure middle of my sleep time
[04:54] <wolter> so i will not be able to attend
[04:54] <humphreybc> the meeting's not till saturday :)
[04:56] <wolter> oh
[04:56] <wolter> sorry then
[04:57] <humphreybc> heh no worries
[04:57] <wolter> is there any way that you could change the meeting time?
[04:57] <humphreybc> nope sorry buddy
[04:57] <wolter> what decides the meeting time?
[04:57] <humphreybc> it only affects the americas - it's a good time for Europe, Asia, Oceania and Africa
[04:57] <humphreybc> ^^ that
[04:58] <wolter> aw..
[04:58] <humphreybc> unfortunately there will always be people who lose out, it's the nature of international projects
[04:59] <humphreybc> you could just get up at 6am, go to bed earlier the previous night :)
[04:59] <wolter> yeah i could
[04:59] <wolter> i guess
[04:59] <humphreybc> haha
[04:59] <humphreybc> 6am isn't that bad
[04:59] <humphreybc> US central is like 3am meetings
[05:00] <wolter> well, you should say america, because there is only one
[05:00] <humphreybc> :)
[05:16] <wolter> no really, the people from usa, or usanians, as I like to call them and many more, have "re-invented" geography by saying tat america splits up in two continent
[05:16] <wolter> s
[05:16] <wolter> north america and south america
[06:03] <IlyaHaykinson_> *sigh* yeah, meetings at 3am are tough.
[06:03] <IlyaHaykinson_> but obviously one can't satisfy everyone
[06:04] <humphreybc> Yeah sorry folks, that's the case with international projects
[06:09] <IlyaHaykinson_> though i have to say that UTC1900 is a better time
[06:10] <IlyaHaykinson_> it's 7pm in London, 11am in Los Angeles, 8am in Wellington
[06:11] <IlyaHaykinson_> or even any time between 1900 and 0000
[06:12] <IlyaHaykinson_> all this at the cost of most of Asia, though
[06:17] <humphreybc> hmmm
[06:18] <humphreybc> might change meeting times for the next one
[06:33] <IlyaHaykinson_> humphreybc: i'm reworking the online survey
[06:33] <humphreybc> okay cool
[06:33] <humphreybc> i took it earlier today, i think I put "awesome" as one of my responses :)
[06:33] <IlyaHaykinson_> i want to also add a few questions about other topics we're not totally sure about.
[06:33] <humphreybc> sure go for it
[06:34] <IlyaHaykinson_> my thinking is a question to ask about the need to include command line stuff (and how much depth)
[06:35] <humphreybc> good thinking number 99
[06:35] <IlyaHaykinson_> a question about security -- how much to dwell on it
[06:35] <humphreybc> sounds good, although who are you targeting this survey at?
[06:35] <IlyaHaykinson_> and then an open ended question about troubleshooting
[06:35] <IlyaHaykinson_> my thought is actually a technical audience
[06:35] <IlyaHaykinson_> i was going to ask a few of my contacts to try to spread the link
[06:35] <humphreybc> yeah that makes more sens
[06:36] <humphreybc> sense*(
[06:36] <IlyaHaykinson_> i.e. scott hanselman (evangelist at MS, tech geek) may run it.
[06:36] <IlyaHaykinson_> on his twitter feed
[06:36] <IlyaHaykinson_> may get a few hundred responses, if he does
[06:36] <humphreybc> no good asking a windows user to tell us what they'd like to see in an ubuntu troubleshooting section...
[06:36] <IlyaHaykinson_> also andy baio at waxy.org
[06:36] <humphreybc> oh sounds fantastic! way to go!
[06:37] <IlyaHaykinson_> well, hopefully we'll see how the responses correlate with the current OS
[06:37] <IlyaHaykinson_> my thinking is that windows/mac users are actually probably our #1 audience in general.
[06:37] <humphreybc> sweetbix
[06:37] <IlyaHaykinson_> if we could find a way to ask a _general_ audience, that'd be even better. but they're not likely to have even heard of Ubuntu ... :(
[06:38] <humphreybc> alright well sounds great, you create the survey and send me the link, i'll get Martin Owens to blog it on the planet too
[06:38] <IlyaHaykinson_> nod. i will have the revised survey in another few mins
[06:38] <humphreybc> yeah unless you feel like hitting up the mall with a clipboard
[06:38] <IlyaHaykinson_> heh.
[06:39] <humphreybc> i'll tweet and blog it
[06:39] <humphreybc> oh and facebook it i guess
[07:04] <IlyaHaykinson_> ok, can you take a look please?
[07:04] <IlyaHaykinson_> http://questionpro.com/t/ADd2yZGu50
[07:07] <IlyaHaykinson_> as a reminder, please don't share the link with the public.
[07:13] <humphreybc> sure i'll have a look
[07:14] <humphreybc> oh gnarly stuff on the apps
[07:15] <humphreybc> is this all free?
[07:15] <IlyaHaykinson> yeah
[07:15] <IlyaHaykinson> if i had more time / needed more capabilities, there's an open source version of similar software too
[07:16] <IlyaHaykinson> but this (with the limits and everything) is enough, and even forces us to ask only a few questions as opposed to too many
[07:16] <humphreybc> awesome
[07:16] <humphreybc> i just took it, put "COOKIES!!" as a few answers so you know it's
[07:16] <humphreybc> me
[07:16] <humphreybc> survey is great :)
[07:17] <IlyaHaykinson> thx.
[07:17] <IlyaHaykinson> i'll wait till (my) morning for more feedback
[07:18] <humphreybc> when will that be?
[07:20] <IlyaHaykinson> um, well, it's 11:18pm right now
[07:20] <IlyaHaykinson> so maybe around 8-9 hrs from now
[07:28] <humphreybc> righto
[07:28] <humphreybc> heh
[07:28] <humphreybc> I'm replying to "Thomas R Jones"
[07:29] <humphreybc> and I am very very very tempted to say "cut the melodramatic bullshit" in my email...
[07:33] <vish> humphreybc: stop..
[07:33] <humphreybc> eh
[07:33] <vish> humphreybc: dont reply.. :)  take some time away from the keyboard
[07:33] <humphreybc> Sure
[07:34] <humphreybc> It's just so annoying that what I originally sent as an email offering to collaborate with the docs team turns into a debate about the manual project. The docs team need to realise that we're here to stay, like it or not they may as well make the most out of the situation and take me up on the offer of collaboration.
[07:35] <humphreybc> The docs team is being unreasonable because of fear, they know that they have problems and that they're weak and don't want competition as it may replace the docs team down the road.
[07:35] <vish> humphreybc: no one can dictate that a project can exist on not
[07:36] <humphreybc> of course
[07:36] <vish> thomas probably didnt realize that ;)
[07:36] <humphreybc> and that is what I just sent to this Thomas person
[07:36] <vish> humphreybc: just wait for someone else to mention  what needs to be done... [but i do have to say your last response to Mathew east was not needed either]
[07:36] <vish> ;)
[07:37] <vish> humphreybc: sometimes the best response is _not_ responding :)
[07:37] <humphreybc> True
[07:37] <humphreybc> good words of wisdom
[07:38] <humphreybc> but you can imagine the frustration after all the work we have done to basically be shut down every time I offer collaboration.
[07:40] <IlyaHaykinson> i think perhaps we need to not offer collaboration
[07:40] <IlyaHaykinson> be open to it, yes
[07:40] <IlyaHaykinson> but, well... i think the best defense for us is finishing the manual
[07:40] <IlyaHaykinson> after that, the discussion becomes less academic ("do we need another X") and more practical ("oh. what do we do with this useful thing?")
[07:41] <vish> humphreybc: fair point... but they have been here longer , so they do know what they are talking about... they have not succeeded earlier , hence i see them/their advice as a friendly suggestion ... as an advice of "things to be careful of" .. use it positively  , just lookout for those problems
[07:42] <IlyaHaykinson> *sigh* texlive-full is another 355MB... :(
[07:42] <IlyaHaykinson> my poor netbook, i'm abusing it much with this project.
[07:47] <humphreybc> I think you can get away with texlive and texlive-latex-extra
[07:47] <humphreybc> I think that's only 200mb all up or so, opposed to the texlive-full package which is more than 500
[07:47] <IlyaHaykinson> well, too late now
[07:48] <humphreybc> I'm still trying to work out why a text editing suite comes to 500mb!
[07:48] <IlyaHaykinson> mostly installed already
[07:48] <IlyaHaykinson> er, it's cause right now i'm staring at ...hungarian, ... tibetan...
[07:48] <humphreybc> how much space has your netbook got?
[07:48] <IlyaHaykinson> i think they have every major language supported
[07:48] <humphreybc> oh
[07:48] <humphreybc> i see haha
[07:48] <IlyaHaykinson> oh. i think a lot. 120GB?
[07:49] <humphreybc> Oh I was thinking 8GB SSD
[07:49] <IlyaHaykinson> no, thank goodness
[07:49] <humphreybc> you wouldn't stand a hope in hell :P
[07:49] <IlyaHaykinson> though till now i'd actually fit into that
[07:49] <humphreybc> it'll be nice when SSD prices decrease and SSD size increases
[07:49] <IlyaHaykinson> actually tex wont push me over
[07:49] <IlyaHaykinson> nod. well, crappy SSDs are already cheap
[07:50] <humphreybc> mmm
[07:50] <IlyaHaykinson> at work we got some thrown in for free with some larger purchase
[07:50] <IlyaHaykinson> they were _SO_ bad.
[07:50] <IlyaHaykinson> i put windows on one...
[07:50] <humphreybc> SSDs in my server would be cool so it's nice and quiet
[07:50] <humphreybc> really slow was it?
[07:50] <IlyaHaykinson> let's just say that i went back to the spinning hard disk within a week
[07:50] <IlyaHaykinson> but apparently the intel X25-Ms are just blazing fast
[07:50] <IlyaHaykinson> and not too outrageously priced.
[07:51] <IlyaHaykinson> i suppose i just need them to drop by, uhm, 30%? and then i will be game.
[07:51] <humphreybc> haha
[07:52] <humphreybc> yes well give it another year or so
[07:52] <humphreybc> I'm still waiting for fuel cells...
[07:52] <IlyaHaykinson> now -that- would be cool
[07:52] <IlyaHaykinson> though i shudder to think what would happen when flying with these laptops
[07:52] <humphreybc> imagine a week of battery life
[07:53] <IlyaHaykinson> airline security can't possibly love the transition to fuel cells
[07:53] <humphreybc> they'll hate it
[07:53] <humphreybc> you'll probably have to put your fuel cells or something in your suitcase, and use a regular battery for the flight
[07:53] <IlyaHaykinson> nod
[08:19] <IlyaHaykinson> ok, i'm out for the night, l8r
[08:21] <vish> humphreybc: hehe , your private mail to David , was inline in David's response to the doc ML ;)
[08:21] <humphreybc> yeah, he obviously didn't realise
[08:21] <vish> yeah
[08:21] <humphreybc> meh
[08:22] <humphreybc> he's right on a few things
[08:22] <humphreybc> i'm not going to bother with the docs team anymore
[08:22] <humphreybc> but he's wrong on some other things
[08:22] <humphreybc> we're not trying to copy the docs team or do a better job at the same stuff
[08:22] <humphreybc> we're targeted at a different audience than the docs team are
[08:26] <humphreybc> and i'm not asking for "your way and your way only" - in my first email to them I said this: "I'd like to ask what else the docs team would like from the manual team."
[08:26] <humphreybc> but i can't be bothered arguing with them any more, they're either ill-informed, haven't looked at our wiki or are just naive
[08:28] <vish> :)
[08:33] <humphreybc> and the point is that everyone else in the community is behind this project except them
[09:38]  * humphreybc is still not happy with 64 bit flash!
[10:05] <popey> :(
[10:07] <humphreybc> popey: ?
[10:17] <humphreybc> where should one go for help regarding mounting a remote server on boot? does anyone in here know?
[10:18] <popey> !mount
[10:18] <manualbot> mount is used to attach devices to directories. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[10:18] <popey> also
[10:18] <popey> !fstab
[10:18] <manualbot> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[10:19] <xchat-p3t3r_> hi
[10:19] <popey> humphreybc: the ":(" was just how i felt about the comments above regarding the break downs in communication between manual and doc teams
[10:19] <humphreybc> popey if you like could we talk about that in a private conversation?
[10:20] <humphreybc> hi xchat-p3r3r_
[10:20] <xchat-p3t3r_> when i login in launchpad, it desn't allows me to modify and translate.. why?
[10:20] <humphreybc> umm have you got a PGP key?
[10:21] <humphreybc> check out this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Help#Using bzr
[10:21] <xchat-p3t3r_> no...
[10:21] <humphreybc> sorry an SSH key
[10:21] <humphreybc> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair
[10:21] <xchat-p3t3r_> no
[10:24] <xchat-p3t3r_> but it behaves in that way not all the time..
[10:24] <humphreybc> what do you mean?
[10:25] <xchat-p3t3r_> at the 90% of the time i can modify and translate..
[10:26] <humphreybc> but it sometimes won't let you?
[10:26] <humphreybc> hmm
[10:26] <humphreybc> have you followed the steps on our wiki?
[10:26] <xchat-p3t3r_> 10% : it's seem i'm logout.. as a not register users...
[10:28] <humphreybc> does it give you any errors? where are you having trouble, at the command line when you're trying to push?
[10:28] <xchat-p3t3r_> no
[10:28] <humphreybc> where are you having the problem? at what stage of making changes?
[10:28] <xchat-p3t3r_> but i've only been registered at launchpad
[10:29] <humphreybc> well you need to have a launchpad account, be a member of our team and have an SSH key for the computer you're using registered with launchpad
[10:29] <humphreybc> otherwise it won't work
[10:31] <xchat-p3t3r_> the problem is that i've already worked on this with no errors..
[10:55] <humphreybc> IlyaHaykinson_ : are you there?
[11:44] <vish> humphreybc: hmm..you do realize that the doc mailing list is watched by a lot of teams and people , right?
[11:44] <humphreybc> vish: yes I know.
[11:44] <humphreybc> don't worry I'm having a serious think, and talking to many people privately about what this project wants to achieve.
[11:59] <bittin|> :o
[12:01] <humphreybc> lolwut
[12:04] <bittin|> i killed a screen =)
[12:05] <humphreybc> hah
[12:05] <humphreybc> murderer
[12:06] <bittin|> :D
[13:10] <lepr> As for what format to develop the Manual in, I investigated various formats myself for other projects, here are my conclusions. A good path to HTML is necessary. (La)Tex: I did not investigate much.  DocBook: Yet another markup that varies from the well  known HTML for no reason.  Choosing it will exclude participants. Who wants to learn yet another markup for no good reason?  It could have been made to extend HTML, but is not made that way. 
[13:13] <lepr> So you were/are doing work in ODT?  Seems not a bad choice.  The Sun Wiki exporter is handy.  There are Nice UIs.  You can save diagrams in separate documents if you please.
[13:13] <lepr> I should say, "Seems one of the 2 best choices."
[13:26] <jussi01> lepr: Ive heard fantastic things about latex. fwiw
[13:32] <lepr> jussi01: advantages over HTML?
[13:33] <jussi01> lepr: it can be easily converted to most formats, including html, pdf and more
[13:33] <jussi01> its very flexible
[13:34] <lepr> I'm still waiting.  ;-)
[13:35] <jussi01> lepr: Im not a latex expert, but everyone I talk to who uses it says very good things about it. Id say its worth the investigation
[13:37] <lepr> The package i was thinking of is HTMLDoc http://www.htmldoc.org/. It seems not completely up to date with HTML4 and CSS. maybe it is therefore not worth using.
[13:46] <thorwil> "DocBook: Yet another markup that varies from the well  known HTML for no reason". Docbook includes lots of stuff that is targeting at marking up most things you will want in a book. a direct comparison to html is silly, as the 2 have quite different purpose. same for latex vs html
[13:48] <pleia2> fwiw, the ubuntu-learning team is using asciidoc for our courses
[13:48] <lepr> I learned enough of the DocBook markup to make a sensible comparison with HTML.
[13:49] <pleia2> easy to learn, exporting to docbook is easy for export to other formats
[13:49] <lepr> There is much common purpose with HTML and DocBook in the meaning of the markup.
[13:50] <lepr> Take the sum of endless amounts of 'easy to learn' things that have the same degree of easiness as DocBook and you've got a tough situation.
[13:52] <lepr> I've heard and seen enough people tell me about how HTML is not easy to learn, to know that a large portion of potential participants are not going to find DocBook easy to learn.
[13:55] <lepr> oops.  I misunderstood your statement about asciidoc being easy to learn as meaning DocBook is easy to learn.
[14:03] <pleia2> nah, docbook is hard, asciidoc is more like wiki syntax
[14:04] <pleia2> http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/document-formats-for-learning-materials/
[14:04] <pleia2> ^^ from when we were reviewing a bunch of formats
[19:12] <vish> *sigh*
[19:49] <sebsebseb> Hi
[19:52] <bittin|> Hi
[19:55] <sebsebseb> bittin|: Hi
[23:50] <jaminday> can anyone help with a bzr issue