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fta_grrr, another error00:04
fta_python-pyatspi and gnome-orca are broken00:14
fta_attempting a reboot...00:16
LLStarks|Lazythat only hit main last night.00:18
fta_readahead is gone.. hm00:19
ftaasac, \o/00:20
asacureadahead is there00:22
ftagwibber crashed00:47
ftathe notifications are no longer transparent00:47
ftacrimsun, my sound is fixed! thanks, i can frag aliens as much as i want now00:48
crimsunyw00:49
ftajust for that, it was worth the pain of the upgrade00:49
micahgfta: all builders are empty :)00:50
micahgor rather all build queues are00:51
ftahttp://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/notif.png00:52
ftahttp://thenextweb.com/shareables/2010/01/03/the-evolution-of-the-computer/01:10
micahghttp://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=2010011001:15
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RPG_MasterIs there a ppa I can use to update Firefox to 3.6?06:39
Utentehi, all! i have the latest Thunderbird and have just installed update of Lightning calendar. I miss the window in the bottom right where we could choose between Mail and Calendar, is that a bug or what should i do, pls? (this is Thunderbird 3.0 on Windows, very sorry but couldn't find #windows-mozilla channell...)08:36
Utenteoops, the window was in the bottom left corner!08:36
Utente??08:47
BUGabundo_workmorning09:28
asachi09:33
BUGabundo_workany tips on how to improve ssh tunneled browser rendering???10:19
BUGabundo_workboth FF and Chromium are terribly slow10:19
asacssh is probably slow10:21
BUGabundo_work1mb/s up10:30
BUGabundo_workits not that10:30
BUGabundo_workstupid page just wont render :(10:30
BUGabundo_workmoving the mouse very fast over it, seems to help10:31
BUGabundo_workbut not as much as i would like10:31
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gnomefreakthats weird. no thunderbird updates for 3.0 nor 3.112:00
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gnomefreak3.1 is unable to get password for all my boxes :(12:10
gnomefreakis anyone else testing/using tb3.1?12:12
asacdid micahg fix the build at all?12:12
asacgnomefreak: thought it doesnt build atm12:12
gnomefreakasac: that could be a good reason im mnot seeing updates for it12:14
gnomefreak3.1~a1~hg20091221r4576+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1  << it hasnt built in a while12:15
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* gnomefreak wonders how to explain what Canonical is in the simplest terms13:07
BUGabundo_workgnomefreak: a company13:10
BUGabundo_worktwo words13:10
BUGabundo_workbeat that13:10
BUGabundo_work:o13:10
gnomefreak:) need to define it for an artical for the newspaper13:12
gnomefreakcan anyone spell finantial(money)13:18
BUGabundo_workgnomefreak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_Ltd.13:23
BUGabundo_workhttp://www.canonical.com/aboutus13:24
gnomefreakthanks13:24
gnomefreakon shit13:25
gnomefreak!cacnonical13:28
gnomefreakdamn13:28
gnomefreak!canonical13:28
ubottuCanonical Ltd. is committed to the development, distribution and promotion of open source software products, and to providing tools and support to the open source community. It is the driving force behind the Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu Operating Systems. Canonical's website is at http://www.canonical.com/13:28
gnomefreaknow i just need thier mailing list13:31
gnomefreakfound it13:32
rippsfta_: ping13:35
rippsfta_: the ppa-bot suddenly stopped working all of sudden for a mlayer-build package. For some reason, LOCAL_BRANCH isn't being passed to sync-ppa.pl13:36
gnomefreakok artical request has been sent :)13:38
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gnomefreakno more nick changes :)14:16
* BUGabundo_work pins gnomefreak 14:41
* gnomefreak running low on things on my todo list be back14:42
bdrungasac: what do you think about installing xul-ext-notify by default?15:06
asacbdrung: what does that do?15:07
asacmove to our notify-osd thing?15:07
bdrungasac: yes15:07
asacor is that for tbird?15:07
asacfirefox explicitly doesnt use that per-upstream ... so we cant15:08
bdrungasac: it's for firefox's download notification15:08
asace.g. they added code to explicitly prevent the use of our bubbles15:08
bdrungasac: what speeks against installing the extension? it does not change "firefox" directly.15:09
asacbdrung: directly or not directly doesnt matter. the default experience matters.15:10
asacotherwise all this wouldnt make sense15:10
asacmozilla wants firefx default experience match their quality standards15:10
asacwhich makes sense if you think about it15:10
asacallowing to install extensions as we wish would defeat that purpose15:11
bdrungasac: but ubufox is installed by default...15:11
asacyes15:11
asacwe are not allowed to change ubufox either as we wish15:12
asacubufox is covered by the trademark review15:12
asacwe can try to add that extension, but they already said no, so i wont do it15:12
asacrather will try to resurrect this after a while15:12
asacso its gets enabld in upstream code15:12
asacbut its not long enough ago to review the decision again15:13
bdrungasac: why were upstream against it?15:13
micahgwhich extension?15:13
asacfind the bug where the native notification support was added15:13
asacthere is the discussion15:14
bdrungmicahg: xul-ext-notify15:14
micahgbdrung: they're working on integrating that15:14
asacmozilla bug 46988015:14
asacbasically they disagree with removing the actions15:15
asacthey see a loss of feature there15:15
micahgI sent a message to tedg, but I didn't hear anything15:15
asacand they were hard about it ... hard enough to explicitly blacklist notifications that dont have actions :)15:15
asacmicahg: they are working on integrating something for tbird15:15
asacbut not for firefox15:15
asacfirefox is blocked upstream15:15
asacwould be cool if that got unblocked recently. its just a one line code patch15:16
asacbut i dont think so15:16
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* micahg though it was for ff too15:16
micahgah, it's already in ff3.615:17
micahgthat's why15:17
bdrungnice15:18
micahgat least a basic libnotify support15:19
* micahg gets integrated alerts from ff15:19
asacmicahg: we had libnotify support in 3.5 iirc. the problem is that its disabled if notify doesnt support actions15:38
micahgasac: ok, but doesn't our libnotify support actions?15:42
asacit doesnt15:43
asacit doesnt announce that support15:43
asacbecause our fallback sucks15:43
asacyou get dialogs for each notification15:43
asacif you try to send actions to our notify-osd15:43
micahgso why do I see notifications that look like all the others from FF 3.6?15:43
asacnot sure. maybe they changed their mind ;)15:43
asacand fixed it15:43
asacif you see our transparent bubbles without actions and you dont have an extension, then thats the case15:44
micahgmozilla 469880 is only fixed in 3.615:44
asacyes15:44
asacstill. that one explicitly disables us15:44
asac+  if (!gHasActions && aAlertTextClickable)15:45
asac+    return NS_ERROR_FAILURE; // No good, fallback to XUL15:45
asac+15:45
asacthats the patch that landed for that bug15:45
asacyeah. so you would see them for notifications where mozilla doesnt include any action anymore15:46
asacmaybe they dropped that feature from some notifications15:46
micahgah15:46
asacaAlertTextClickable15:46
micahgk, can we fix our end?15:46
asacthats was true for downloads15:46
asacno15:46
asacwe cant fix that15:46
asacthey added that so we dont fix that15:46
asacits a feature15:46
micahgno, I mean our notify-osd so it announces15:47
asacno15:47
asacwe want apps to not send actions15:47
asacanyway, thats mood to discuss15:47
asaci already typed 2000 chars about this one now ;)15:47
micahgah15:47
asacif it just starts to work then fine15:47
micahgk15:47
asacall explained above15:47
micahgwell, downloads work15:48
asacthats great then15:48
micahgyep, didn't mean to rehash15:48
* asac pulls latest daily15:49
asacmicahg: i get the same old xul notification for files i save16:14
asacif i click save link as ....16:14
asacmaybe you are not running ubuntu? ;)16:14
micahghmm16:14
asacor stratiatelly?16:14
asacmicahg: if you have a screenshot of your notification i will tell you if thats the case16:14
* micahg gets the same notification as pidgin16:15
asacscreen16:18
micahghold on16:18
micahgemailed since I can't seem to upload to imageshack16:22
asacmicahg: yes, you are not running our notification daemon16:25
asacinstall notify-osd ;)16:25
micahgoh :)16:25
micahgalready installed16:25
asacdo you have gnome-stracciatella-session16:26
asac?16:26
asacare you using that?16:26
micahgnope16:26
asaci think you can have both installed side by side16:26
asacnotification-daemon ... remove that16:27
micahgwhy wasn't that removed with the karmic upgrade?16:27
asacbecause we allow both to live side by side16:27
asacmost likely you had it installed manually at some point16:28
asacand hence it didnt get removed16:28
asacno clue16:28
asacmaybe someone decided that old installs should keep on using the old stuff to ease teh way we can ship both16:28
asacor its a dpkg-divert bug that happens if you install both in some order16:28
micahglisten depends on it16:28
micahgI shouldn't be allowed to remove it then...16:29
micahgbut dpkg is letting me16:29
micahghmm16:30
micahgstill seeing it16:30
* micahg guesses he has to restart ff16:31
asacno16:31
asacmicahg: you have to killall notification-daemon16:31
micahgoh16:31
asacand in worst case re-log-in16:31
micahgugh16:33
micahgnow I'm back to crummy notifications16:33
asacyeah ;)16:34
asacuse16:34
asacnotify-send test this16:34
asacto see the real ones16:34
micahgidk how16:34
asacnotify-send test this16:34
asacthats the command16:34
micahgah16:35
micahgwas missing a package16:35
asackk16:35
micahgah16:35
micahgnice16:35
micahgthat's very different16:35
micahgso I should go fix that FF bug16:35
asacnotify-send -i gtk-ok tes asdf16:35
asacthat gives you an icon ;)16:35
asacthere is no bug16:36
asacthats a feature16:36
micahgno, I wrote that notify-osd was fixed in ff3.616:36
asacffox devs disagreed with our notifications, hence they give us the ugly ones16:36
asacah16:36
asacyeah16:36
asac:)16:36
BUGabundo_remoteahahah16:37
* micahg needs notification-daemon until pidgin 2.716:37
BUGabundo_remotepassive aggressive ones :D16:37
micahgI think they're fixing it16:37
asacdoes pidgin show the bad actions still?16:38
asaci thought we had a patch16:38
micahgshows notification-daemon ones or nothing16:38
asacmostlikely we removed it when we moved to empathy to reduce maintenance pain16:38
asachmm ok16:38
BUGabundo_remoteWFM16:40
BUGabundo_remoteno actions in notify-osd for pidgin in +116:40
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micahgasac: pidgin is indeed fixed...17:08
* micahg needed to restart pidgin17:08
mattmacI'm gearing up to make a new Ubuntu build of Prism17:24
mattmacwhat Ubuntu version should I use?17:24
mattmacpreferably the same that you guys use for Firefox 3.617:24
mattmacasac: ping17:27
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asacmattmac: yes18:38
asacmattmac: we have prism packaged18:38
asacwhy do you wnat to do another build?18:38
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ftaripps, when did it start? i didn't touch it in days18:39
ftaanyone using liferea here?18:53
* micahg tested it in the past18:54
ftamicahg, could you please try something for me?19:24
micahgif it's quick, I still have it installed19:25
rippsfta: this morning. I had just used it last night. Actually, I'm starting to think there's something wrong with my machine. I've been getting complier problems and gdb roots it back to glib and libc.so.619:25
ftamicahg, using DarkRoom as theme, start liferea, add http://feedproxy.google.com/GoogleOpenSourceBlog and read an article. can you read the links?19:25
rippsI've tried reinstalling glib and libc, but It still not affected19:25
ftaripps, my last change was 2010-01-06 so it's not my fault ;)19:26
asac_micahg: did we get any bad regression bugs for last firefox update?19:27
micahgfta: yes, but barely, I had the same problem with TB319:27
ftamicahg, light orange on white?19:27
micahgasac: I don't think any directly related to the update, but I'm still waiting on feedback19:27
micahgfta: yes19:27
asac_micahg: if folks report regressions19:28
asac_after sec update we want to double check19:29
micahgk, so far the problems with starting are related to moblin xulrunner19:29
micahgnot the update19:29
micahgif I see one specifically related to the update, should I ping you?19:30
* micahg likes the xfce-kde2 theme now :)19:31
micahgasac: there's one install error19:33
micahgbug 50501019:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 505010 in firefox-3.5 "package firefox-3.5 3.5.7+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.10.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script killed by signal (Terminated)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50501019:33
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micahgasac: ^^^19:37
asacthe guy killed his upgrade thinking it hung19:47
asacasked if it still resolved19:47
micahgk19:48
ftamicahg, same problem with tb3 you said? also tb2?20:11
ftamicahg, please comment (bug 507632)20:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 507632 in human-theme "links unreadable using DarkRoom" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50763220:13
micahgfta: done20:16
asacuff20:18
asachad a two hour debugging session over phone with my hand20:18
asacnot sure why with my hand ;)20:19
asaci meant: firefox broke for her20:19
asacand something else is busted20:19
asacon hardy20:19
asaclike when clicking the red shutdown button, the gnome-panel crashes20:19
vishfta: micahg: i posted a "fix" for the dark room bug , could you try it?21:01
ftavish, yes, but it also changes links on a dark bg; like in the Author line in my screenshot21:04
ftai assume you can't differentiate between the two..21:05
vishyup ,21:05
ftagood enough for me then, thanks!21:06
vishfta: np...21:06
asac_ccheney: do we still have an arm hack in ooo21:07
ftais there a way to get the dget url automatically for a package?21:07
ftasomething like apt-cache showsrc --url evolution21:09
ftanm21:10
ftaapt-get source --print-uris evolution does it21:10
gnomefreaki want my TTYs back :(  is it the kernel that controls them? or another package to file bug against21:11
micahgfta: pull-lp-source?21:15
ftamicahg, i just wanted a command to get the dsc url given a package name, for quick fixes21:16
micahgfta: well, you need the url or the source/21:16
ftajust the .dsc, dget does the rest21:16
micahgpull-lp-source can pull the latest source for any version in LP21:16
micahgfta: pull-lp-source does it for you21:17
ftadget is old style :)21:17
micahgfta: maybe look at the code for pull-lp-source21:17
ftai'm fine now,  --print-uris did the tricj21:18
ftatrick21:18
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ccheneyasac: yes a new one that doko sent me21:19
ccheneyasac: well a new one in 3.1.1-5ubuntu221:19
asacccheney: did that remove the hack we had for armel in karmic?21:25
asacsorry, not sure you answered that21:25
asacccheney: what does that hack involve?21:25
ftais keyserver.ubuntu.com dead?21:26
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ftais can't apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com ADA52017D8C6BAE821:26
micahgfta: saw someone talking about it earlier on #launchpad21:26
micahgseems like it21:27
ftaoh, it just worked21:27
ftafunny21:28
micahgfta: bug 43519321:28
ubott2Launchpad bug 435193 in ubuntu "keyserver.ubuntu.com down all time - (110) Connection timed out" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43519321:28
micahgthere are a couple of RT tickets as well21:29
ccheneyasac: it replaced it i think, i can forward you the patch so you can see it21:33
asacccheney: y. please21:33
ccheneyasac: ok sent21:34
ftaasac, i think you can upgrade to lucid, the errors i hit were caused by old packages like python-2.421:45
* sebner thinks lucid is supposed to be in heavy development though sebner can't see TB3 (waiting for soooo long) :P21:48
micahgsorry sebner21:48
sebnermicahg: hmm? for what?21:48
micahgsebner: TB321:48
sebnermicahg: heh, np. I just wanted to tease asac :P21:49
micahgI hope to have a little more time soon21:49
micahgit's actually almost done, although, I'll have to update for 3.0.1 soon21:49
gnomefreakfta: is the bot broken (tb3.1)?21:55
gnomefreaklatest version is from dec.21:56
micahggnomefreak: it won't build anyways21:57
gnomefreakmicahg: ok thanks21:57
micahgit's on my list21:57
micahgI can give you the commit I think broke it if you want to try to fix it21:57
micahggnomefreak: ^^21:58
gnomefreakmicahg: i wont have too much time to play with it until after the 8th of feb.22:04
gnomefreaki think i lost my scripts :(22:06
micahggnomefreak: ugh, ok22:14
gnomefreakmicahg: do you recall the build error?22:15
micahgit won't install the binaries22:15
micahgthere's another weird buld error only on lucid 64 bit22:15
gnomefreakok atm i have the week of the 25th free but that may change next week.22:17
gnomefreakmicahg: where is the branch?22:17
micahgfor tb31?22:17
gnomefreakmicahg: yeah22:17
micahglp:thunderbird/3.122:18
micahggnomefreak: here's the commit I think is responsible: http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/c87ebb61ec4122:18
gnomefreakmicahg: ok thanks ill subscribe to it and see if i run into time but im not confident on the time aspect22:18
micahgheh, I'll get to it at some point22:18
micahgalso TB31 should be branching soon22:19
micahggnomefreak: also, I might have someone to maintain seamonkey dailies22:19
gnomefreakmicahg: cool. i do know that 2.1 split from 2.0 code a while ago. 2.0 should be final so dailies are only needed for 2.1 but m-d wont grab 2.022:21
micahggnomefreak: we could do both if he'd maintain them22:21
gnomefreakim more concered about getting 2.0 in Lucid, how possible do you think that is?22:22
* micahg loves how people complain about stuff and magically expect it to happen22:22
micahggnomefreak: very, he built the package, I have to review it22:22
micahgit's targetted for alpha-3 as well22:22
gnomefreakok cool22:23
gnomefreaklightning 1.0 is finally supporting SM too :)22:23
micahgso for alpha 3, my goals are: TB3, SM2, Lightning, Enigmail, Helix-player22:23
micahgeverything except for helix player should be fine22:24
micahggnomefreak: mozilla actually has a 64 bit package for it in contrib22:25
micahglightning I mean22:25
gnomefreakmicahg: i remember hearing about that22:26
* gnomefreak confused on the 3.1 commit. it looks backwards22:27
gnomefreak --- a/mail/installer/Makefile.inSun Dec 20 13:08:00 2009 -0800 1.2 +++ b/mail/installer/Makefile.inSun Dec 13 21:43:00 2009 -080022:27
gnomefreakdates are what im looking at22:27
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micahgyeah, I think the commit was made but not approved22:28
micahgor it was on a branch and merged in, idr22:29
* gnomefreak would have thought they fixed it by now. i havent opened xchat in a while wher ei have mozilla nd debian channels22:31
gnomefreak!grub22:35
ubottugrub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards.22:35
gnomefreak!grub222:35
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub222:35
ftaasac, lucid still needs gnome 598231 for chromium / metacity :(23:39
ubottuGnome bug 598231 in general "When Chromium rings the bell, metacity quits" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59823123:39
asaci guess one has to hunt that down on irc ;)23:40
asacas usual23:40
asacin worst case we just upload that to archive ;)23:41
asacwhen does chromium ring the bell?23:42
ftawhen you search and hit the last entry, or get no result, when you reach the end of the url bar23:43
ftaetc etc etc23:43
asacasked on gnome-hackers23:44
asacanyone confirmed that patch?23:44
ftai have the patch in my ppa for karmic23:44
ftawfm23:44
asacso you confirmed that it crashes before and doesnt after?23:44
asacgood23:44
ftayes23:44
ftait's an assert, not a crash23:45
asacwell. it quits. thats is a crash23:45
asaceven if its a moderately controlled emergency landing ;)23:45
micahgasac: at least it looks like 1.9.1 is sticking around for a little while23:55
micahgactually, I shouldn't say that23:56
asacno better not23:56
micahg1.9.0 and 1.9.1 at least until the middle of next month23:56
asaci never expected 3.5 to be instandly abandoned23:57
asacwould be crazy23:57
ftai wonder if i should install indicator-application or wait for something to install it23:57
asacthey need to do multiple rounds of testing and stabilization23:57
asaci hoped for 1.9.2.2 ;)23:57
asacwhats that fta ?23:57
micahgasac: for lucid or for the end of the other branches?23:57
ftaasac, the systray is going away apparently23:58
ftahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators23:58
asacinteresting23:58
ftabingo23:58
ftaThe following packages will be upgraded:23:58
fta  gnome-applets gnome-applets-data libappindicator0 libappindicator0-cil rhythmbox tomboy23:58
asacmy desktop is upgrading ;)23:58
asacstuck in the middle23:58
asac:(23:58
asacunmet deps23:59
ftawhich one?23:59
asacmaybe i should go to archive.ubuntu.com rather than a mirror23:59
ftaone(s)?23:59
asaccompiz23:59
asacgdm23:59
asacgnome-control-center23:59
ftahm23:59
asaclibmetacity-dev23:59
asacetc23:59
asacso pulse23:59
ftait was fine yesterday23:59
asacund gnome  metacity stuff23:59

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