[00:04] <fta_> grrr, another error
[00:14] <fta_> python-pyatspi and gnome-orca are broken
[00:16] <fta_> attempting a reboot...
[00:18] <LLStarks|Lazy> that only hit main last night.
[00:19] <fta_> readahead is gone.. hm
[00:20] <fta> asac, \o/
[00:22] <asac> ureadahead is there
[00:47] <fta> gwibber crashed
[00:47] <fta> the notifications are no longer transparent
[00:48] <fta> crimsun, my sound is fixed! thanks, i can frag aliens as much as i want now
[00:49] <crimsun> yw
[00:49] <fta> just for that, it was worth the pain of the upgrade
[00:50] <micahg> fta: all builders are empty :)
[00:51] <micahg> or rather all build queues are
[00:52] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/notif.png
[01:10] <fta> http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2010/01/03/the-evolution-of-the-computer/
[01:15] <micahg> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20100110
[01:34] <LLStarks|Lazy> wf
[06:39] <RPG_Master> Is there a ppa I can use to update Firefox to 3.6?
[08:36] <Utente> hi, all! i have the latest Thunderbird and have just installed update of Lightning calendar. I miss the window in the bottom right where we could choose between Mail and Calendar, is that a bug or what should i do, pls? (this is Thunderbird 3.0 on Windows, very sorry but couldn't find #windows-mozilla channell...)
[08:36] <Utente> oops, the window was in the bottom left corner!
[08:47] <Utente> ??
[09:28] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[09:33] <asac> hi
[10:19] <BUGabundo_work> any tips on how to improve ssh tunneled browser rendering???
[10:19] <BUGabundo_work> both FF and Chromium are terribly slow
[10:21] <asac> ssh is probably slow
[10:30] <BUGabundo_work> 1mb/s up
[10:30] <BUGabundo_work> its not that
[10:30] <BUGabundo_work> stupid page just wont render :(
[10:31] <BUGabundo_work> moving the mouse very fast over it, seems to help
[10:31] <BUGabundo_work> but not as much as i would like
[12:00] <gnomefreak> thats weird. no thunderbird updates for 3.0 nor 3.1
[12:10] <gnomefreak> 3.1 is unable to get password for all my boxes :(
[12:12] <gnomefreak> is anyone else testing/using tb3.1?
[12:12] <asac> did micahg fix the build at all?
[12:12] <asac> gnomefreak: thought it doesnt build atm
[12:14] <gnomefreak> asac: that could be a good reason im mnot seeing updates for it
[12:15] <gnomefreak> 3.1~a1~hg20091221r4576+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1  << it hasnt built in a while
[13:07]  * gnomefreak wonders how to explain what Canonical is in the simplest terms
[13:10] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: a company
[13:10] <BUGabundo_work> two words
[13:10] <BUGabundo_work> beat that
[13:10] <BUGabundo_work> :o
[13:12] <gnomefreak> :) need to define it for an artical for the newspaper
[13:18] <gnomefreak> can anyone spell finantial(money)
[13:23] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_Ltd.
[13:24] <BUGabundo_work> http://www.canonical.com/aboutus
[13:24] <gnomefreak> thanks
[13:25] <gnomefreak> on shit
[13:28] <gnomefreak> !cacnonical
[13:28] <gnomefreak> damn
[13:28] <gnomefreak> !canonical
[13:31] <gnomefreak> now i just need thier mailing list
[13:32] <gnomefreak> found it
[13:35] <ripps> fta_: ping
[13:36] <ripps> fta_: the ppa-bot suddenly stopped working all of sudden for a mlayer-build package. For some reason, LOCAL_BRANCH isn't being passed to sync-ppa.pl
[13:38] <gnomefreak> ok artical request has been sent :)
[14:16] <gnomefreak> no more nick changes :)
[14:41]  * BUGabundo_work pins gnomefreak 
[14:42]  * gnomefreak running low on things on my todo list be back
[15:06] <bdrung> asac: what do you think about installing xul-ext-notify by default?
[15:07] <asac> bdrung: what does that do?
[15:07] <asac> move to our notify-osd thing?
[15:07] <bdrung> asac: yes
[15:07] <asac> or is that for tbird?
[15:08] <asac> firefox explicitly doesnt use that per-upstream ... so we cant
[15:08] <bdrung> asac: it's for firefox's download notification
[15:08] <asac> e.g. they added code to explicitly prevent the use of our bubbles
[15:09] <bdrung> asac: what speeks against installing the extension? it does not change "firefox" directly.
[15:10] <asac> bdrung: directly or not directly doesnt matter. the default experience matters.
[15:10] <asac> otherwise all this wouldnt make sense
[15:10] <asac> mozilla wants firefx default experience match their quality standards
[15:10] <asac> which makes sense if you think about it
[15:11] <asac> allowing to install extensions as we wish would defeat that purpose
[15:11] <bdrung> asac: but ubufox is installed by default...
[15:11] <asac> yes
[15:12] <asac> we are not allowed to change ubufox either as we wish
[15:12] <asac> ubufox is covered by the trademark review
[15:12] <asac> we can try to add that extension, but they already said no, so i wont do it
[15:12] <asac> rather will try to resurrect this after a while
[15:12] <asac> so its gets enabld in upstream code
[15:13] <asac> but its not long enough ago to review the decision again
[15:13] <bdrung> asac: why were upstream against it?
[15:13] <micahg> which extension?
[15:13] <asac> find the bug where the native notification support was added
[15:14] <asac> there is the discussion
[15:14] <bdrung> micahg: xul-ext-notify
[15:14] <micahg> bdrung: they're working on integrating that
[15:14] <asac> mozilla bug 469880
[15:15] <asac> basically they disagree with removing the actions
[15:15] <asac> they see a loss of feature there
[15:15] <micahg> I sent a message to tedg, but I didn't hear anything
[15:15] <asac> and they were hard about it ... hard enough to explicitly blacklist notifications that dont have actions :)
[15:15] <asac> micahg: they are working on integrating something for tbird
[15:15] <asac> but not for firefox
[15:15] <asac> firefox is blocked upstream
[15:16] <asac> would be cool if that got unblocked recently. its just a one line code patch
[15:16] <asac> but i dont think so
[15:16]  * micahg though it was for ff too
[15:17] <micahg> ah, it's already in ff3.6
[15:17] <micahg> that's why
[15:18] <bdrung> nice
[15:19] <micahg> at least a basic libnotify support
[15:19]  * micahg gets integrated alerts from ff
[15:38] <asac> micahg: we had libnotify support in 3.5 iirc. the problem is that its disabled if notify doesnt support actions
[15:42] <micahg> asac: ok, but doesn't our libnotify support actions?
[15:43] <asac> it doesnt
[15:43] <asac> it doesnt announce that support
[15:43] <asac> because our fallback sucks
[15:43] <asac> you get dialogs for each notification
[15:43] <asac> if you try to send actions to our notify-osd
[15:43] <micahg> so why do I see notifications that look like all the others from FF 3.6?
[15:43] <asac> not sure. maybe they changed their mind ;)
[15:43] <asac> and fixed it
[15:44] <asac> if you see our transparent bubbles without actions and you dont have an extension, then thats the case
[15:44] <micahg> mozilla 469880 is only fixed in 3.6
[15:44] <asac> yes
[15:44] <asac> still. that one explicitly disables us
[15:45] <asac> +  if (!gHasActions && aAlertTextClickable)
[15:45] <asac> +    return NS_ERROR_FAILURE; // No good, fallback to XUL
[15:45] <asac> +
[15:45] <asac> thats the patch that landed for that bug
[15:46] <asac> yeah. so you would see them for notifications where mozilla doesnt include any action anymore
[15:46] <asac> maybe they dropped that feature from some notifications
[15:46] <micahg> ah
[15:46] <asac> aAlertTextClickable
[15:46] <micahg> k, can we fix our end?
[15:46] <asac> thats was true for downloads
[15:46] <asac> no
[15:46] <asac> we cant fix that
[15:46] <asac> they added that so we dont fix that
[15:46] <asac> its a feature
[15:47] <micahg> no, I mean our notify-osd so it announces
[15:47] <asac> no
[15:47] <asac> we want apps to not send actions
[15:47] <asac> anyway, thats mood to discuss
[15:47] <asac> i already typed 2000 chars about this one now ;)
[15:47] <micahg> ah
[15:47] <asac> if it just starts to work then fine
[15:47] <micahg> k
[15:47] <asac> all explained above
[15:48] <micahg> well, downloads work
[15:48] <asac> thats great then
[15:48] <micahg> yep, didn't mean to rehash
[15:49]  * asac pulls latest daily
[16:14] <asac> micahg: i get the same old xul notification for files i save
[16:14] <asac> if i click save link as ....
[16:14] <asac> maybe you are not running ubuntu? ;)
[16:14] <micahg> hmm
[16:14] <asac> or stratiatelly?
[16:14] <asac> micahg: if you have a screenshot of your notification i will tell you if thats the case
[16:15]  * micahg gets the same notification as pidgin
[16:18] <asac> screen
[16:18] <micahg> hold on
[16:22] <micahg> emailed since I can't seem to upload to imageshack
[16:25] <asac> micahg: yes, you are not running our notification daemon
[16:25] <asac> install notify-osd ;)
[16:25] <micahg> oh :)
[16:25] <micahg> already installed
[16:26] <asac> do you have gnome-stracciatella-session
[16:26] <asac> ?
[16:26] <asac> are you using that?
[16:26] <micahg> nope
[16:26] <asac> i think you can have both installed side by side
[16:27] <asac> notification-daemon ... remove that
[16:27] <micahg> why wasn't that removed with the karmic upgrade?
[16:27] <asac> because we allow both to live side by side
[16:28] <asac> most likely you had it installed manually at some point
[16:28] <asac> and hence it didnt get removed
[16:28] <asac> no clue
[16:28] <asac> maybe someone decided that old installs should keep on using the old stuff to ease teh way we can ship both
[16:28] <asac> or its a dpkg-divert bug that happens if you install both in some order
[16:28] <micahg> listen depends on it
[16:29] <micahg> I shouldn't be allowed to remove it then...
[16:29] <micahg> but dpkg is letting me
[16:30] <micahg> hmm
[16:30] <micahg> still seeing it
[16:31]  * micahg guesses he has to restart ff
[16:31] <asac> no
[16:31] <asac> micahg: you have to killall notification-daemon
[16:31] <micahg> oh
[16:31] <asac> and in worst case re-log-in
[16:33] <micahg> ugh
[16:33] <micahg> now I'm back to crummy notifications
[16:34] <asac> yeah ;)
[16:34] <asac> use
[16:34] <asac> notify-send test this
[16:34] <asac> to see the real ones
[16:34] <micahg> idk how
[16:34] <asac> notify-send test this
[16:34] <asac> thats the command
[16:35] <micahg> ah
[16:35] <micahg> was missing a package
[16:35] <asac> kk
[16:35] <micahg> ah
[16:35] <micahg> nice
[16:35] <micahg> that's very different
[16:35] <micahg> so I should go fix that FF bug
[16:35] <asac> notify-send -i gtk-ok tes asdf
[16:35] <asac> that gives you an icon ;)
[16:36] <asac> there is no bug
[16:36] <asac> thats a feature
[16:36] <micahg> no, I wrote that notify-osd was fixed in ff3.6
[16:36] <asac> ffox devs disagreed with our notifications, hence they give us the ugly ones
[16:36] <asac> ah
[16:36] <asac> yeah
[16:36] <asac> :)
[16:37] <BUGabundo_remote> ahahah
[16:37]  * micahg needs notification-daemon until pidgin 2.7
[16:37] <BUGabundo_remote> passive aggressive ones :D
[16:37] <micahg> I think they're fixing it
[16:38] <asac> does pidgin show the bad actions still?
[16:38] <asac> i thought we had a patch
[16:38] <micahg> shows notification-daemon ones or nothing
[16:38] <asac> mostlikely we removed it when we moved to empathy to reduce maintenance pain
[16:38] <asac> hmm ok
[16:40] <BUGabundo_remote> WFM
[16:40] <BUGabundo_remote> no actions in notify-osd for pidgin in +1
[17:08] <micahg> asac: pidgin is indeed fixed...
[17:08]  * micahg needed to restart pidgin
[17:24] <mattmac> I'm gearing up to make a new Ubuntu build of Prism
[17:24] <mattmac> what Ubuntu version should I use?
[17:24] <mattmac> preferably the same that you guys use for Firefox 3.6
[17:27] <mattmac> asac: ping
[18:38] <asac> mattmac: yes
[18:38] <asac> mattmac: we have prism packaged
[18:38] <asac> why do you wnat to do another build?
[18:39] <fta> ripps, when did it start? i didn't touch it in days
[18:53] <fta> anyone using liferea here?
[18:54]  * micahg tested it in the past
[19:24] <fta> micahg, could you please try something for me?
[19:25] <micahg> if it's quick, I still have it installed
[19:25] <ripps> fta: this morning. I had just used it last night. Actually, I'm starting to think there's something wrong with my machine. I've been getting complier problems and gdb roots it back to glib and libc.so.6
[19:25] <fta> micahg, using DarkRoom as theme, start liferea, add http://feedproxy.google.com/GoogleOpenSourceBlog and read an article. can you read the links?
[19:25] <ripps> I've tried reinstalling glib and libc, but It still not affected
[19:26] <fta> ripps, my last change was 2010-01-06 so it's not my fault ;)
[19:27] <asac_> micahg: did we get any bad regression bugs for last firefox update?
[19:27] <micahg> fta: yes, but barely, I had the same problem with TB3
[19:27] <fta> micahg, light orange on white?
[19:27] <micahg> asac: I don't think any directly related to the update, but I'm still waiting on feedback
[19:27] <micahg> fta: yes
[19:28] <asac_> micahg: if folks report regressions
[19:29] <asac_> after sec update we want to double check
[19:29] <micahg> k, so far the problems with starting are related to moblin xulrunner
[19:29] <micahg> not the update
[19:30] <micahg> if I see one specifically related to the update, should I ping you?
[19:31]  * micahg likes the xfce-kde2 theme now :)
[19:33] <micahg> asac: there's one install error
[19:33] <micahg> bug 505010
[19:37] <micahg> asac: ^^^
[19:47] <asac> the guy killed his upgrade thinking it hung
[19:47] <asac> asked if it still resolved
[19:48] <micahg> k
[20:11] <fta> micahg, same problem with tb3 you said? also tb2?
[20:13] <fta> micahg, please comment (bug 507632)
[20:16] <micahg> fta: done
[20:18] <asac> uff
[20:18] <asac> had a two hour debugging session over phone with my hand
[20:19] <asac> not sure why with my hand ;)
[20:19] <asac> i meant: firefox broke for her
[20:19] <asac> and something else is busted
[20:19] <asac> on hardy
[20:19] <asac> like when clicking the red shutdown button, the gnome-panel crashes
[21:01] <vish> fta: micahg: i posted a "fix" for the dark room bug , could you try it?
[21:04] <fta> vish, yes, but it also changes links on a dark bg; like in the Author line in my screenshot
[21:05] <fta> i assume you can't differentiate between the two..
[21:05] <vish> yup ,
[21:06] <fta> good enough for me then, thanks!
[21:06] <vish> fta: np...
[21:07] <asac_> ccheney: do we still have an arm hack in ooo
[21:07] <fta> is there a way to get the dget url automatically for a package?
[21:09] <fta> something like apt-cache showsrc --url evolution
[21:10] <fta> nm
[21:10] <fta> apt-get source --print-uris evolution does it
[21:11] <gnomefreak> i want my TTYs back :(  is it the kernel that controls them? or another package to file bug against
[21:15] <micahg> fta: pull-lp-source?
[21:16] <fta> micahg, i just wanted a command to get the dsc url given a package name, for quick fixes
[21:16] <micahg> fta: well, you need the url or the source/
[21:16] <fta> just the .dsc, dget does the rest
[21:16] <micahg> pull-lp-source can pull the latest source for any version in LP
[21:17] <micahg> fta: pull-lp-source does it for you
[21:17] <fta> dget is old style :)
[21:17] <micahg> fta: maybe look at the code for pull-lp-source
[21:18] <fta> i'm fine now,  --print-uris did the tricj
[21:18] <fta> trick
[21:19] <ccheney> asac: yes a new one that doko sent me
[21:19] <ccheney> asac: well a new one in 3.1.1-5ubuntu2
[21:25] <asac> ccheney: did that remove the hack we had for armel in karmic?
[21:25] <asac> sorry, not sure you answered that
[21:25] <asac> ccheney: what does that hack involve?
[21:26] <fta> is keyserver.ubuntu.com dead?
[21:26] <fta> is can't apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com ADA52017D8C6BAE8
[21:26] <micahg> fta: saw someone talking about it earlier on #launchpad
[21:27] <micahg> seems like it
[21:27] <fta> oh, it just worked
[21:28] <fta> funny
[21:28] <micahg> fta: bug 435193
[21:28] <ubott2> Launchpad bug 435193 in ubuntu "keyserver.ubuntu.com down all time - (110) Connection timed out" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435193
[21:29] <micahg> there are a couple of RT tickets as well
[21:33] <ccheney> asac: it replaced it i think, i can forward you the patch so you can see it
[21:33] <asac> ccheney: y. please
[21:34] <ccheney> asac: ok sent
[21:45] <fta> asac, i think you can upgrade to lucid, the errors i hit were caused by old packages like python-2.4
[21:48]  * sebner thinks lucid is supposed to be in heavy development though sebner can't see TB3 (waiting for soooo long) :P
[21:48] <micahg> sorry sebner
[21:48] <sebner> micahg: hmm? for what?
[21:48] <micahg> sebner: TB3
[21:49] <sebner> micahg: heh, np. I just wanted to tease asac :P
[21:49] <micahg> I hope to have a little more time soon
[21:49] <micahg> it's actually almost done, although, I'll have to update for 3.0.1 soon
[21:55] <gnomefreak> fta: is the bot broken (tb3.1)?
[21:56] <gnomefreak> latest version is from dec.
[21:57] <micahg> gnomefreak: it won't build anyways
[21:57] <gnomefreak> micahg: ok thanks
[21:57] <micahg> it's on my list
[21:57] <micahg> I can give you the commit I think broke it if you want to try to fix it
[21:58] <micahg> gnomefreak: ^^
[22:04] <gnomefreak> micahg: i wont have too much time to play with it until after the 8th of feb.
[22:06] <gnomefreak> i think i lost my scripts :(
[22:14] <micahg> gnomefreak: ugh, ok
[22:15] <gnomefreak> micahg: do you recall the build error?
[22:15] <micahg> it won't install the binaries
[22:15] <micahg> there's another weird buld error only on lucid 64 bit
[22:17] <gnomefreak> ok atm i have the week of the 25th free but that may change next week.
[22:17] <gnomefreak> micahg: where is the branch?
[22:17] <micahg> for tb31?
[22:17] <gnomefreak> micahg: yeah
[22:18] <micahg> lp:thunderbird/3.1
[22:18] <micahg> gnomefreak: here's the commit I think is responsible: http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/c87ebb61ec41
[22:18] <gnomefreak> micahg: ok thanks ill subscribe to it and see if i run into time but im not confident on the time aspect
[22:18] <micahg> heh, I'll get to it at some point
[22:19] <micahg> also TB31 should be branching soon
[22:19] <micahg> gnomefreak: also, I might have someone to maintain seamonkey dailies
[22:21] <gnomefreak> micahg: cool. i do know that 2.1 split from 2.0 code a while ago. 2.0 should be final so dailies are only needed for 2.1 but m-d wont grab 2.0
[22:21] <micahg> gnomefreak: we could do both if he'd maintain them
[22:22] <gnomefreak> im more concered about getting 2.0 in Lucid, how possible do you think that is?
[22:22]  * micahg loves how people complain about stuff and magically expect it to happen
[22:22] <micahg> gnomefreak: very, he built the package, I have to review it
[22:22] <micahg> it's targetted for alpha-3 as well
[22:23] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[22:23] <gnomefreak> lightning 1.0 is finally supporting SM too :)
[22:23] <micahg> so for alpha 3, my goals are: TB3, SM2, Lightning, Enigmail, Helix-player
[22:24] <micahg> everything except for helix player should be fine
[22:25] <micahg> gnomefreak: mozilla actually has a 64 bit package for it in contrib
[22:25] <micahg> lightning I mean
[22:26] <gnomefreak> micahg: i remember hearing about that
[22:27]  * gnomefreak confused on the 3.1 commit. it looks backwards
[22:27] <gnomefreak>  --- a/mail/installer/Makefile.in	Sun Dec 20 13:08:00 2009 -0800 1.2 +++ b/mail/installer/Makefile.in	Sun Dec 13 21:43:00 2009 -0800
[22:27] <gnomefreak> dates are what im looking at
[22:28] <micahg> yeah, I think the commit was made but not approved
[22:29] <micahg> or it was on a branch and merged in, idr
[22:31]  * gnomefreak would have thought they fixed it by now. i havent opened xchat in a while wher ei have mozilla nd debian channels
[22:35] <gnomefreak> !grub
[22:35] <gnomefreak> !grub2
[23:39] <fta> asac, lucid still needs gnome 598231 for chromium / metacity :(
[23:40] <asac> i guess one has to hunt that down on irc ;)
[23:40] <asac> as usual
[23:41] <asac> in worst case we just upload that to archive ;)
[23:42] <asac> when does chromium ring the bell?
[23:43] <fta> when you search and hit the last entry, or get no result, when you reach the end of the url bar
[23:43] <fta> etc etc etc
[23:44] <asac> asked on gnome-hackers
[23:44] <asac> anyone confirmed that patch?
[23:44] <fta> i have the patch in my ppa for karmic
[23:44] <fta> wfm
[23:44] <asac> so you confirmed that it crashes before and doesnt after?
[23:44] <asac> good
[23:44] <fta> yes
[23:45] <fta> it's an assert, not a crash
[23:45] <asac> well. it quits. thats is a crash
[23:45] <asac> even if its a moderately controlled emergency landing ;)
[23:55] <micahg> asac: at least it looks like 1.9.1 is sticking around for a little while
[23:56] <micahg> actually, I shouldn't say that
[23:56] <asac> no better not
[23:56] <micahg> 1.9.0 and 1.9.1 at least until the middle of next month
[23:57] <asac> i never expected 3.5 to be instandly abandoned
[23:57] <asac> would be crazy
[23:57] <fta> i wonder if i should install indicator-application or wait for something to install it
[23:57] <asac> they need to do multiple rounds of testing and stabilization
[23:57] <asac> i hoped for 1.9.2.2 ;)
[23:57] <asac> whats that fta ?
[23:57] <micahg> asac: for lucid or for the end of the other branches?
[23:58] <fta> asac, the systray is going away apparently
[23:58] <fta> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators
[23:58] <asac> interesting
[23:58] <fta> bingo
[23:58] <fta> The following packages will be upgraded:
[23:58] <fta>   gnome-applets gnome-applets-data libappindicator0 libappindicator0-cil rhythmbox tomboy
[23:58] <asac> my desktop is upgrading ;)
[23:58] <asac> stuck in the middle
[23:58] <asac> :(
[23:59] <asac> unmet deps
[23:59] <fta> which one?
[23:59] <asac> maybe i should go to archive.ubuntu.com rather than a mirror
[23:59] <fta> one(s)?
[23:59] <asac> compiz
[23:59] <asac> gdm
[23:59] <asac> gnome-control-center
[23:59] <fta> hm
[23:59] <asac> libmetacity-dev
[23:59] <asac> etc
[23:59] <asac> so pulse
[23:59] <fta> it was fine yesterday
[23:59] <asac> und gnome  metacity stuff