[00:20] <ruben23> hi nayone can help right a script backing file  usng SFTP by mobing it to a windows cleint pc
[00:38] <crazy_imp> heyho, i have a problem, tomcat does not resolv localhost, please see this pastebin for more details -> http://pastebin.ca/1750421
[01:17] <mathiaz> smoser: hi!
[01:17] <mathiaz> smoser: I've noticed you've send the minutes for the meeting
[01:18] <mathiaz> smoser: I don't think you have access to the ubuntuserver blog
[01:18] <mathiaz> smoser: do you have a wordpress.com account?
[01:22] <KSid> hi guys
[01:22] <KSid> can someone help me look through a strace log? http://codepad.org/0NKWBlJH - the O_TRUNC line doesn't make sense and is giving me grief
[01:23] <KSid> *make sense to me
[02:08] <crazy_im1> guys, there are some important options missing (imho) in the jvm options for tomcat inside the initscripts -> -DenableLookups=true -Dsun.net.spi.nameservice.provider.1=dns,sun
[02:28] <twb> crazy_im1: file a bug report
[02:29] <crazy_im1> is there any specific bugtracker related to the ubuntu-server distribution?
[02:30] <twb> Ubuntu uses launchpad.
[02:30] <twb> There's a GUI tool called "apport" you can use to help you report bugs, I don't know if it has a tty version.
[02:31] <crazy_im1> hmpf
[02:31] <crazy_im1> btw, why is there no sshd installed by default?
[02:31] <twb> Why should sshd be installed by default?
[02:33] <crazy_im1> because, if you setup a server installation, you normally just say, go and come back later using ssh?
[02:33] <twb> If you say so.
[02:33] <twb> You can of course check the "be an SSH server" during the tasksel step, near the end of the install.
[02:34] <crazy_im1> and using dhcp is a nice feature, but i would expect to have a choice between static ip and dhcp if i setup something, maybe i've got asked and didn't noticed it, dunno right now
[02:34] <crazy_im1> just saw tomcat and hit go ;)
[02:35] <crazy_im1> sorry for the rant, but this system eat away some hours of my time :/
[02:39] <crazy_im1> twb: how do you manage your headless machines?
[02:42] <laughyNinja> i'm having trouble setting up bind9 on ubuntu server 9.x  anyone listening?
[02:42] <ScottK> crazy_im1: It's Ubuntu policy to have the default installation have no open ports listening to the outside world.  That's why no sshd by default.
[02:42] <crazy_im1> ScottK: how about installing it anyways, so you just have to enable it?
[02:43] <ScottK> Not any difference between the access you need to start it and to install it.  It's also policy that packages should be operational after install except in the unusual case where there is no sane default.
[02:44] <twb> crazy_im1: with SSH, puppet, or a serial console.
[02:45] <twb> FWIW, I would prefer if openssh-server was *not* installed by default, *and* only bound to the loopback interface by default.
[02:45] <crazy_im1> cannot remember that i've changed the interface for sshd
[02:46] <twb> crazy_im1: it's not the case.
[02:47] <laughyNinja> bind9.  anyone know anytthing about bind9?
[02:52] <twb> laughyNinja: sorry, I use dnsmasq.
[02:59] <laughyNinja> k.  i'll go jump back into the dogfight that is bind9 setup
[03:00] <twb> laughyNinja: have you read the Admin Guide that's linked from topic?
[03:01] <twb> Sorry, it's http://tinyurl.com/ubuntuserverdoc.  My brain is stuck calling it a "SAG".
[03:44] <Xodiac13> i need help with transmission or torrentflux everytime i try to connect to the port it says secure connection failed
[03:45] <Xodiac13> its very annoying to to learn linux and get pretty far and then get hit in the face with this
[03:47] <Xodiac13> get fuckt
[03:59] <Elad> those of you that run snot, what mode do you run it in?
[03:59] <Elad> snot = snort
[04:11] <jmarsden> laughyNinja: I know something a bit about bind9... but you should ask a specific question about it, not "does anyone know anything" generic stuff.  What is the specific problem you are having?  You installed bind9 and bind9utils packages, and then what did you do, and what failed or broke or disappointed you in what way?
[06:07] <qman__> I've been trying all evening to get 9.10 installed on a system with more than one hard drive, and it just refuses to work :/
[06:08] <qman__> grub2 just will not cooperate
[06:10] <gnac> I'd like to do a remote install of a soon to be headless server.
[06:10] <gnac> Is it possible to install over ssh?
[06:11] <qman__> you need physical access to start the process, but once it's up and running ssh, you can
[06:11] <gnac> alternatively I can forward to a serial console attached via ./screen.
[06:12] <gnac> qman__: so I have that, I just got concerned that once I selected Install Ubuntu Server, it looked like the process auto started.
[06:17] <qman__> I always just do it locally, so I'm not sure how you go about it in the latest versions
[06:17] <qman__> it only takes ten minutes or so anyway
[06:22] <gnac> Is there a way to run the installer from another live cd, eg boot into a gentoo live cd, start ssh, go to remote pc, download ubuntu iso, start install?
[06:23] <twb> gnac: you can build a pre-seeded d-i that automates all steps up to the installing the ssh udeb, and then complete the install over ssh
[06:24] <twb> gnac: installation from another Unix system (even another Ubuntu system) is much more of a pain in the arse, though it is possible.
[06:25] <twb> gnac: normally I would just download the netboot d-i kernel and ramdisk, add a preseed file to the ramdisk, and then teach your gentoo (or whatever) bootloader to boot that kernel/ramdisk.  They then load into memory, proceed through to installing the ssh udeb, and then you can log in and blat the existing install.
[06:29] <gnac> hmm ...
[06:30] <gnac> well, it looks like I'm mostly through?  I'm downloading the files after selecting what services (eg ssh/LAMP) I wanted installed.
[06:31] <gnac> It would have been nicer to do this from my laptop on the couch though ;~)
[06:34] <gnac> can I just install ssh and then restart the "installer" from the base system once ssh is running?
[06:35] <twb> gnac: no
[06:36] <gnac> I guess I'd have to use apt-get and manually configure then.
[06:37] <gnac> uhuo, I got an install grub loader failure.
[06:37] <gnac> '"grub=pc" package failed to install into /target/'
[06:39] <alkisg> What should I look for to always prevent my server from installing a specific package? apt pinning?
[06:39] <gnac> "grub" doesn't work either.
[06:40] <twb> alkisg: what package?
[06:40] <alkisg> twb: e.g. gdm
[06:40] <twb> Pinning would work.
[06:40] <twb> I'm not sure how you'd ACCIDENTALLY install gdm, though
[06:40] <alkisg> So that I could run e.g. tasksel install ubuntu-desktop but prevent gdm from being installed
[06:41] <alkisg> Thank you :)
[06:41] <jmarsden> alkisg: Might be easier to instal ubuntu desktop and then apt-get purge gdm :)
[06:42] <alkisg> jmarsden: I'd like to prevent end users from getting gdm on updates after the initial installation
[06:42] <twb> Or even just aptitude --schedule-only install ubuntu-desktop && aptitude --schedule-only purge gdm && aptitude install
[06:42] <jmarsden> alkisg: Once you purge it, they shouldn't get updates fot it...
[06:42] <twb> Or aptitude --without-recommends install ubuntu-desktop
[06:43] <alkisg> (e.g. some user may decide to `apt-get install ubuntu-desktop` for some reason, and that would break his system)
[06:43] <jmarsden> alkisg: User have root and know apt-get but cannot be trusted with info such as "do not install gdm"?  Strange set of parameters, but OK.
[06:44] <alkisg> jmarsden: yeah, I know :D It's for a fat client deployment
[06:44] <alkisg> If apt pinning would work, I think it's the best option
[06:44] <jmarsden> It should work fine.
[06:44] <twb> Just arrange to auto-reimage their machines from an SOE every saturday
[06:45] <alkisg> Thanks again guys
[07:14] <gnac> any known reason why the grub-pc package would fail to install from the livecd?
[07:40] <twb> gnac: one easy way would be if you confused its module auto-detection by placing /boot on LVM on RAID
[07:41] <ttx> soren: Server ISOs were respun, so we need to do ISO testing again.
[07:41] <ttx> soren: did you solve your LVM install issue ?
[07:43] <twb> It staggers me sometimes how many people still use optical media
[07:50] <kirkland> ttx: morning
[07:50] <ttx> kirkland: yo
[07:50] <kirkland> ttx: how's UEC looking?
[07:51] <ttx> looking good
[07:51] <ttx> on yesterday's candidate, but they were respun
[07:51] <ttx> nothing should have changed for UEC though
[07:51] <ttx> but we still need to redo the ISO test
[07:51] <ttx> kirkland: all passed yesterday, except I've been hitting bug 503180 every time
[08:01] <kirkland> ttx: alrighty, had a bit of insomnia, heading back to bed now ;-)
[08:02] <ttx> kirkland: gdnite
[08:40] <jiboumans> good morning folks
[08:42] <ttx> jiboumans: o/
[09:48] <soren> ttx: I need a name suggestion for the team that will own the regression test build ppa.
[09:48] <soren> ttx: The user who does the uploading is named ubuntu-server-autotest.
[09:49] <soren> ttx: I realised, by the way, that I was simply being too impatient with my lvm installs. For some reason it takes a couple of minutes from "Loading GRUB" until anything else happens on the screen, but the timeout in my script was just a minute or so.
[09:50] <soren> They're all running fine now.
[09:51] <ttx> soren: cool, you should rerun them, then :)
[09:51] <soren> ttx: I will. Are we supposed to be testing the 20100114 images or the 20100113 images?
[09:51] <ttx> 20100114
[09:51] <ttx> see iso tracker
[09:52] <soren> Oh, right.
[09:52] <soren> Of course.
[09:52]  * soren rsyncs
[09:52] <soren> Man, I can't wait until I finish my server room. The noise in my office is really annoying.
[09:54] <soren> Uhh.. Wow.
[09:54] <soren>    708669440 100%   50.30MB/s    0:00:13 (xfer#1, to-check=1/2)
[09:54] <soren> Did /anything/ change at all?
 the only differences in contents between these images and the previous ones are the partman fix, and aoetools getting properly pulled in by the seed
[09:55] <soren> ttx: Ah.
 ttx: it's an opportunistic respin to fix bug #507059
[09:55] <soren> ttx: What's "the partman fix"?
[09:55] <soren> Ah, that.
[09:55] <soren> Yeah, I don't do that.
[09:55] <soren> There's no test case for it. :)
[09:55] <ttx> so nothing should change
[09:55] <soren> Right.
[09:55]  * soren runs the test battery
[09:56] <soren> It takes about an hour, currently.
[09:56] <soren> Anyhow, as for my previous question: team name?
[09:57] <ttx> soren: on a call now, already multitasking, can't overcommit cpu
[09:57] <ttx> queuing task
[09:58] <soren> ttx: No worries.
[10:14] <alvin> I don't get the whole 'nobootwait' discussion (or is it bootwait). Should you use the option or not? I just want to boot a system and have the drives mounted. Wait for /home and /srv without crashing and don't wait for the rest.
[10:20] <alvin> and what about _netdev? (How do you see what the 'defaults' option in /etc/fstab actually contains?
[10:39] <zobbo> having some trouble with pinning. On hardy I have hardy-backports ... but I only want to use that for postgres as I need 8.4. What do I put in preferences to ignore all backports apart from postgres ?
[10:51] <incorrect> i am having to use a ram drive to make a db fast enough to process, i am just a little worried about backing it up, is there anyway to sync the db to disk without using rsync or similar
[10:58] <alvin> incorrect: I could be wrong here, but if you dump the database, will it not be automatically synced?
[10:59] <incorrect> not if the ram drive goes away
[10:59] <incorrect> i guess i will just have to lock it and sync it to disk
[11:29] <Omahn> Hi all. I'm planning on doing some ISO testing today and I noticed that there's no server ISOs for 20100114. Should I just perform the tests with the alternate ISO?
[11:30] <Omahn> This is the site I'm using: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20100114/
[11:35] <dr4g> Can someone help me with setting up a mail server to i can send mail on my ubuntu server ? I have PHP applications that send out emails but i don't have a mail server listening on port 25 right now.
[11:35] <dr4g> Help? :)
[11:36] <dr4g> This is an ubuntu server installation but noting is listening on port 25 right now.
[11:37] <dr4g> Looking here; http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features/mailserver
[11:37] <dr4g> It looks like this stuff is already built into ubuntu server but i need to activate it somehow?
[11:37] <dr4g> Please advise
[11:39] <Omahn> dr4g: This page appears to show you how to do it:
[11:39] <Omahn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer
[11:39] <dr4g> I just pasted that link
[11:39] <dr4g> Sorry i didn't, wrong paste actually.
[11:40] <dr4g> Yes i'm already on that page, do you recommend i install postfix or exim4 ?
[11:41] <Omahn> Postfix is the default and so you might as well go for that, although I'm afraid I couldn't give you any further advice.
[11:42] <dr4g> alright i'll go with postix then
[11:43] <dr4g> Do you recommend is etup authentication on my postfix server so people don't use my server to forward on spam ?
[11:43] <dr4g> i setup *
[11:44] <Omahn> Absolutely.
[11:44] <dr4g> do you know what it means by this ?
[11:44] <dr4g> Other destinations for mail: server1.example.com, example.com, localhost.example.com, localhost
[11:45] <dr4g> it becoms this in the config file
[11:45] <dr4g> mydestination = server1.example.com, example.com, localhost.example.com, localhost
[11:45] <Omahn> Although if you're having to ask questions like that it might be worth using another mail host rather than setting one up yourself.
[11:45] <dr4g> Omahn: this will be the new mail server for the company.
[11:46] <Omahn> In that case I would certainly get a professional in, or at least read up a bit more on email servers before proceeding. It's not something you want to mess up.
[11:48] <dr4g> ok thanks.
[12:04] <kaushal> hi
[12:04] <kaushal> is there a way to email exceptions occuring in catalina.out file in tomcat application server ?
[12:22] <ttx> kaushal: write a cronjob that regularly looks into the file and mails out a report ? Use customized logwatch ?
[12:25] <kaushal> ttx: any example ?
[12:25] <ttx> kaushal: haven't any
[12:26] <ttx> http://www.logwatch.org/tabs/docs/ might be a starting point
[12:51] <zul> morning
[12:52] <jiboumans> morning zul
[12:53] <zul> hey jiboumans
[12:59] <Guest_188> Hi...I have 2 servers with 8 GB RAM each and i would like to up 1 only VM with 12 GB RAM. Is it possible ?
[13:02] <ttx> soren: how is your testing doing ? No result landed on the tracker yet
[13:07] <spiekey> Hello!
[13:08] <spiekey> does anyone know why my swap ist full but my cache still has 1GB free? http://pastebin.com/d5692c9e8
[13:13] <_ruben> Guest_188: im not aware of any virtualization solution that offers that feature
[13:14] <_ruben> it'd share memory over the network, i doubt that'd be of much performance :p
[13:16] <Guest_188> _ruben: The cloud computing dont join the hardware of servers ?
[13:16] <soren> ttx: I've had a few hiccups along the way.
[13:16] <soren> ttx: ...and every time, I start the whole thing over to make sure I didn't break anything while fixing something else :)
[13:17] <soren> ttx: So I'll be reporting in bulk shortly.
[13:17] <soren> ttx: I'm guessing 20 minutes from now.
[13:17] <ttx> soren: on i386/minimal virtual mode, I get a -generic-pae kernel
[13:17] <ttx> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerMinimalVirtualInstall says I should get a -server one
[13:17] <ttx> but I suppose the instructions are wrong for i386 now
[13:22] <incidence> whats the best virtualization software for 2.6 + ultrasparc? (openvz doesn't support sparc anymore :( )
[13:22] <_ruben> Guest_188: it offers a big "pool", from which multiple vms can take their resources, but each vm's max resources is atmost one physical server's resources (afaik)
[13:23] <soren> ttx: You get -server? Really? Hm.. ok.
[13:23] <ttx> no.
[13:23] <soren> ttx: As reported by dpkg or by uname?
[13:23] <ttx> I get  -generic-pae reported by uname
[13:23] <soren> ttx: Err.. Right, my bad.
[13:23] <soren> ttx: That's expected.
[13:23] <soren> ttx: Check what dpkg says.
[13:23] <ttx> ok, editing test instructions
[13:23] <soren> ttx: It was renamed, wasn't it?
[13:24] <ttx> I killed the vm already
[13:24] <soren> ttx: Do you still have the install available?
[13:24] <soren> ttx: Ok. Don't edit the test case just yet.
[13:24] <ttx> ok, marking passed with a comment then
[13:24] <ttx> running the amd64 equivalent now
[13:24] <soren> ttx: You're supposed to get the -virtual kernel. The -virtual kernel will appear as something other than -virtual in uname. This has been the case since... Err.. intrepid, I think..
[13:25] <ttx> Instructions say "Check that the uname -r returns a -server kernel"
[13:25] <soren> It's been -server so far, but that may be different now. dpkg is what you need to check.
[13:25] <soren> ttx: Oh, right. Did you check dpkg as well?
[13:25] <Guest_188> _ruben: Thank you!
[13:25] <ttx> soren: I checked "dpkg -l linux-virtual"
[13:25] <soren> ttx: and?
[13:25] <ttx> and it's installed.
[13:25] <soren> ttx: Ok, good.
[13:26] <soren> ttx: In that case, I think everything is fine.
[13:26] <soren> ttx: -virtual was probably changed to be a sub-arch of generic-pae.
[13:26] <ttx> you fix the instructions ? Or should I ?
[13:26] <soren> intentionally, I mean.
[13:27] <soren> Done.
[13:29] <lyhana8> hi, does anyone know how to link Tomcat and Eclipse ?
[13:31] <ttx> lyhana8: would https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat6/+bug/375493 describe what you're after ?
[13:32] <ttx> lyhana8: if so, follow the instructions in that bug -- or test lucid :)
[13:32] <lyhana8> well I just manage to make it appear in the server list, I guess some variables/plugins were missing
[13:33] <ttx> lyhana8: ah. I guess eclipse doesn't like our FHS directory layout. I'd recommend using the tomcat6-user package and set up a specific instance
[13:34] <ttx> Somethign like http://ubuntuserver.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/tomcat-6-lands-in-intrepid/
[13:38] <lyhana8> ttx: I'm simply looking for a way to make tomcat show up in eclipse server list (which I just managed) and make it work...
[13:39] <ttx> lyhana8: then I don't know what that involves, it's been a long time since I last used Eclipse
[13:47] <ttx> zul: could you cover the upgrade testing on the ISO tracker ?
[13:47] <ttx> istr you signed up for that one in the past :P
[13:48] <ttx> (if it makes any sense to tset it now)
[13:48] <kaushal> ttx: i have questions regarding logwatch. can i discuss it now ?
[13:49] <ttx> soren: is your testing expected to cover all the gaps of the tracker ? I think I covered all the odd ones
[13:49] <ttx> kaushal: i'm kinda busy -- and I don't really know logwatch customization
[13:49] <zul> ttx: sure
[13:49] <ttx> just looks like the tool I'd use in your situation (though I'd probably do a custom cronjob)
[13:49] <ttx> zul: thx
[13:50] <ttx> soren: also refreshed ETA would be great
[13:50] <ttx> soren: slangasek wants to release not too late.
[13:56] <soren> ttx: Hang on, let me check.
[13:57] <soren> ttx: I have the following tests automated:
[13:57] <soren> ttx: default install
[13:57] <soren> ttx: mail server
[13:57] <soren> ttx: lamp server
[13:57] <soren> ttx: bind9 server
[13:57] <soren> ttx: lvm
[13:57] <soren> ttx: on both amd64 and i386.
[13:58] <da65> hi all, just installed Ubuntu on my server as Etch is end of life soon, thatnks
[13:58] <soren> ttx: I'm expecting to split it into two stages, so that I get the cartesian product of {i386,amd64}/{regular partitioning,lvm}/{basic,lamp,bind9,mail}
[13:59] <soren> ttx: Is my notation making sense?
[13:59] <ttx> so we need coverage on ssh/samba/print/postgres
[13:59] <da65> seems to be pretty much the same
[13:59] <soren> ttx: Yes. I'll get to work on those after these are working as expected.
[13:59] <ttx> soren: but too late for alpha2, meguesses
[14:00] <soren> ttx: Yes. It's a bit time consuming at this stage.
[14:00] <da65> anyone running Boinc on UServer?
[14:02] <ScottK> da65: In many respects it's quit similar to Debian, but if you look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features - almost all those features are not in Debian.
[14:03] <kaushal> ttx: sure
[14:03] <kaushal> no issues
[14:03] <da65> cool
[14:05] <da65> used Deb for years, only came to UServer because Lenny not ok with Plesk at the moment, good move by the looks
[14:05] <da65> nice to have root in ssh too, thought Ubuntu would not alow that
[14:07] <da65> 2013 end of life is very nice too
[14:12] <da65> is Boinc in the packaging, cant seem to find it?
[14:24] <ttx> zul, smoser: please cover as much of the missing tests in the ISo tracker as you can... Looks like we won't be able to wait on mathiaz before release.
[14:24] <ttx> we need coverage on ssh/samba/print/postgres
[14:24] <ttx> I'll be doing ssh
[14:24] <zul> ack
[14:25] <twb> da65: http://packages.ubuntu.com/boinc
[14:25] <_ruben> !info boinc
[14:27] <smoser> ttx, i'm going to finish doing the ami pages updates for alpha2 (preparing them) then i'll start on those tests.
[14:27] <ttx> smoser: perfect, thanks
[14:27] <da65> ty
[14:28] <ttx> smoser: just sync with the tracker status so as to not duplicate any test :)
[14:31] <smoser> right
[15:01] <AkhlD> hello
[15:02] <AkhlD> how do i get the MySql username and Password with Database Name ?
[15:03] <AkhlD> anyone ?
[15:05] <georg> while creating mysql user check the box create database with same name ( in phpmyadmin)
[15:06] <AkhlD> where is the phpmyadmin ?
[15:06] <AkhlD> :-/
[15:06] <georg> you need to install it
[15:06] <AkhlD> ahem
[15:06] <AkhlD> brb then
[15:16] <jerico> When I start my server it says I have like 30 security updates.  What's the command to download and install them?
[15:16] <jpds> jerico: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:17] <jerico> jpds: Doesn't that just update the source list?
[15:17] <jpds> jerico: No.
[15:18] <smoser> kirkland, ping.
[15:19] <ttx> smoser: kirkland won't be available today
[15:19] <smoser> k
[15:19] <smoser> oh, in route to down under
[15:19] <ttx> yep
[15:19] <ttx> smoser: maybe will connect 2 min from the airport
[15:21] <jerico> When I do apt-get upgrade it gives me a list of packages that were held back.  Why? and how do I not hold them back?
[15:22] <jdstrand> jerico: 'upgrade' will not install new packages, only upgrade existing ones
[15:22] <jpds> jerico: Try: sudo apt-get install <held-back-package-name>.
[15:22] <jpds> It'll tell you why the package is held back.
[15:22] <jdstrand> jerico: 'update' updates your database of what's available
[15:23] <jdstrand> jerico: on a server, typically do something like:
[15:23] <jdstrand> apt-get update
[15:23] <jdstrand> apt-get upgrade
[15:23] <jdstrand> apt-get dist-upgrade # if anything was held back
[15:23] <ttx> soren: about the other-cloud-providers spec, iiuc it's more about reaching out and see image convergence opportunities, right
[15:24] <AkhlD> georg, i have installed the phpmyadmin
[15:24] <ttx> soren: so it's rather open-ended, or do you already know what will be needed
[15:24] <AkhlD> but cant find the username or passworrd anywhere
[15:24] <soren> ttx: That's half of it.
[15:24] <jerico> jdstrand: ok, thanks
[15:24] <AkhlD> Server: localhost (MySQL host info: localhost via TCP/IP)
[15:24] <ttx> soren: the other being... the client part ?
[15:24] <jdstrand> jerico: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/package-management.html
[15:24] <soren> ttx: The other half is seeing if there's anything we can do easily to make it easier to work with other provider /from/ Ubuntu.
[15:24] <soren> ttx: Right, the client part.
[15:24] <georg> AkhlD, what are you tryng todo ?
[15:25] <AkhlD> georg, im tryin to set up Word Press
[15:25] <georg> AkhlD,  do you know your mysql-server root password ?
[15:25] <soren> ttx: I've already been working some on this. I've implemented a CLI tool for libcloud.
[15:25] <ttx> soren: if we target Rackspace, do you already know how far we are from what they use ?
[15:25] <AkhlD> yes georg
[15:25] <soren> ttx: It's perfectly functional (I use it quite a bit myself), but it can still be made lots better.
[15:25] <georg> AkhlD,  now loing with them via phpmyadmin
[15:25] <georg> login*
[15:25] <soren> ttx: Using libcloud gives us a bunch of providers for free.
[15:25] <AkhlD> there is no login option in the phpmyadmin
[15:25] <soren> ttx: Among them, rackspace.
[15:26] <georg> AkhlD,  http://yoursite.com/phpmyadmin
[15:26] <georg> and you get no login screen ?
[15:26] <AkhlD> i do
[15:26] <AkhlD> it shows a pag
[15:26] <AkhlD> page*
[15:26] <soren> ttx: Additionally, I've put the python bindings for Rackspace's cloud files into universe.
[15:26] <ttx> soren: right. I'm trying to understand how much work it represents. The client part is pretty self-contained. The server part looks more open-ended
[15:26] <AkhlD> with # Server: localhost (MySQL host info: localhost via TCP/IP)# Server version: 5.1.36-community-log
[15:27] <AkhlD> also User: root@localhost
[15:27] <soren> ttx: Right. the server part involves getting an account with as many providers as possible and learn from what they're doing with our images.
[15:27] <soren> ttx: ...and try to make sure we have a decent kernel story on as many as possible.
[15:27] <soren> ttx: The latter being the trickiest bit, but so far, people are very happy to discuss things.
[15:28] <AkhlD> georg, may i pm ?
[15:28] <georg> AkhlD,  go ahead
[15:45] <zul> ttx: ping
[15:45] <ttx> zul: pong
[15:45] <zul> ttx:  are you using kvm to run the iso tests?
[15:45] <ttx> zul: depends
[15:46] <zul> ttx: are you getting a login prompt?
[15:46] <ttx> zul: UEC installer tests are on real iron
[15:46] <ttx> ah, no.
[15:46] <zul> wtf?
[15:46] <ttx> Alt-F1
[15:46] <ttx> see the bug I reported on all my tests
[15:46] <ttx> http://launchpad.net/bugs/506297
[15:47] <ttx> zul: sucks, but you get a graphical logo during boot !
[15:49] <ttx> let it be known as "The Alpha2 Known Bug"
[15:49]  * zul doesnt like that at *all*
[15:49] <ttx> Foundations said, not fixable for alpha2
[15:51] <bogeyd6> I have a mailserver currently running example.com and I want to place a second server running zimbra holding about 4 of those example.com accounts at a remote location (saves wan speed). My main server is Kerio. Does anyone have an Idea about how i could host those 4 accounts on a different server?
[16:00] <cemc> is there any light webdav server, without apache?
[16:01] <zul> you can try lighttpd
[16:02] <cemc> zul: I was going to try that. anything else besides that?
[16:02] <zul> nope not that i know of
[16:10] <detrate> how do I boot into grub?
[16:37] <jpds> detrate: I think that happens all the day.
[16:37] <jpds> time*
[16:40] <kirkland> smoser: howdy, here now
[16:40] <kirkland> ttx: I'm on and off today, between airports
[16:41] <smoser> kirkland, i was going to ask what you do for mirrors of daily/
[16:41] <kirkland> smoser: ah
[16:41] <kirkland> sure ...
[16:41] <smoser> but not important. i put together a script
[16:41] <ttx> kirkland: cool
[16:41] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/356647/
[16:42] <kirkland> smoser: i'll pastebin mine, if you like
[16:42] <ttx> kirkland: stay away of Oceanic 815
[16:42] <kirkland> ttx: :-)
[16:42] <smoser> no need. i'm good now. you mirror from cdimage for it though, right?
[16:42] <kirkland> smoser: nice, yeah, yours looks fine
[16:43] <kirkland> smoser: i use rsync -azP, FWIW
[16:43] <ttx> kirkland: bought that 500Gb traveldisk, btw
[16:43] <kirkland> ttx: nice!  should take about 7-8 hours to seed
[16:43] <kirkland> ttx: i'll just loan you mine for a night
[16:44] <kirkland> smoser: if you have $80 to spare, i recommend picking up a 500GB external hd, 2.5"
[16:44] <ttx> kirkland: sounds like a plan. How much do you need to download each day on average to stay current ?
[16:44] <kirkland> smoser: bring it to PDX, and get a local mirror ;-)
[16:44] <kirkland> ttx: hrm, good question ...
[16:44] <kirkland> ttx: my cronjob fires at 6am my time
[16:44] <kirkland> ttx: it's *rare* for it to take longer than 10-15 minutes
[16:45] <kirkland> ttx: and that includes both syncing the debs and the isos
[16:45] <ttx> kirkland: yes, but you have texan-size download rates
[16:45] <smoser> i have mirrors of release/ archive/ and uec-images/
[16:45] <kirkland> ttx: :-)  tbh, i'm not sure
[16:45] <smoser> and pulling daily now
[16:45] <kirkland> smoser: gotcha, i was talking about pool/ :-)
[16:46] <smoser> i'd be interested in how ttx downloads anything
[16:46] <smoser> today i downloaded at ~ 1.7M for an iso from cdimage
[16:46] <smoser> the zsync, from an old image came in at ~ 300K
[16:46] <smoser> lftp rocks
[16:46]  * ttx just bought a very nice fanless box with a 2Tb WD Green drive
[16:47] <ttx> One of those: http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/T3N.html
[16:47] <jcastro> ttx: I just snagged a Green drive the other day
[16:48] <ttx> got tempted by one of those: http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/BAREBONE_SERVER_Series_2.html but they are far less power-efficient
[16:48] <smoser> wow. ttx, thats pretty nice.
[16:48] <kirkland> ttx: let me know how you like that drive
[16:48] <jcastro> yeah, I should have talked to you before xmas ttx
[16:48] <ttx> smoser: I should receive it in a few
[16:48] <ttx> just got shipped from UK
[16:48] <smoser> what'd it cost?
[16:48] <ttx> smoser: which one, the T3N ?
[16:49] <kirkland> ttx: i think i want to upgrade my myth backend, which has 2 x 500GB sata drives, raid'd together; want to replace those with 2 x 2TB sata drvices
[16:49]  * zul luches
[16:49] <smoser> oh. i see the price there.
[16:49] <ttx> kirkland: if you want 2-disk raid, they have another one that's nice
[16:49] <jcastro> kirkland: the green drive is so quiet, I tried grinding it to make some noise but still couldn't hear it outside the case
[16:49] <ttx> kirkland: http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/T2e_atom_nocd.html
[16:49] <kirkland> jcastro: btw ... thanks for raving about your SSD so much
[16:50] <kirkland> jcastro: i got a 128GB ssd for my x200 thinkpad for xmas
[16:50] <ttx> kirkland: not sure that atom would be powerful enough though
[16:50] <kirkland> jcastro: dude, it is *awesome*
[16:50] <jcastro> yeah dude, it totally changes how you use your laptop
[16:50] <kirkland> ttx: oh, i just need 2 hard drives ;-)
[16:50] <kirkland> jcastro: i have *always* bought the slowest, 5400rpm laptop drives, to save power
[16:50] <jcastro> kirkland: amazon has good deals on OEM WD Green drives, I snagged a TB one for $74.
[16:50] <kirkland> jcastro: so this is just such a huge leap
[16:51] <kirkland> jcastro: nice
[16:51] <ttx> as a sidenote, most of the commenters are saying they are running Ubuntu Server on them
[16:51] <kirkland> ttx: nice ;-)
[16:51] <kirkland> ttx: i just went through airport security
[16:51] <kirkland> ttx: wearing an Ubuntu hat
[16:51] <kirkland> ttx: the guy checking my passport told me he's running an ubuntu server at home
[16:52] <jdstrand> kirkland: cool! :)
[16:52] <ttx> kirkland: dude, taht only happens to you
[16:52] <kirkland> jdstrand: :-D
[16:52] <jdstrand> actually, that happened to me at a money exchange once
[16:52] <ttx> kirkland: mine says: "don't forget your belt, sir"
[16:52] <kirkland> ttx: heh, it's my ubuntu fearamones
[16:55]  * nurmi had a long conversation with a taco bell register operator about his ubuntu installation :)
[16:59] <ttx> mathiaz: the ISO was rerolled this morning. Most tests were covered during the day, you might want to cover the remaining things with your magic
[16:59] <ttx> mathiaz: but be fast, it should be released anytime now :)
[17:00] <mathiaz> ttx: if the release is anytime now, is it worth going through the remaining test cases?
[17:01] <ttx> mathiaz: sync with slangasek. Anything that makes our coverage rate go up is good. Not sure you have the time for a full tour though :)
[17:02] <ttx> mathiaz: also almost nothing changed from yesterday's iso
 the only differences in contents between these images and the previous ones are the partman fix, and aoetools getting properly pulled in by the seed
[17:06] <ch1ll1man> Hi All - does anyone know why the LVM VG device fails to be created on EC2 at reboot?
[17:07] <ch1ll1man> If I run a vgscan --mknodes and then vgchange -a y it's fine and I can mount ok
[17:12]  * ttx will be back later
[17:17] <neonfreon>  /wg 2
[17:28] <mathiaz> jiboumans: hi
[17:29] <mathiaz> jiboumans: are the directory related specs considered for alpha3?
[17:34] <jiboumans> mathiaz: which specs are thos exactly?
[17:34] <mathiaz> jiboumans: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-id-mgmt-login-testing
[17:34] <mathiaz> jiboumans: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-id-mgmt-reference-env
[17:35] <jiboumans> mathiaz: no, they are not; they rely on the puppet spec and there's not enough bandwidth to complete that *and* the id-mgmt ones
[17:35] <mathiaz> jiboumans: right
[17:36] <mathiaz> jiboumans: the problem is that FeatureFreeze may impact things
[17:36] <jiboumans> how so?
[17:36] <mathiaz> jiboumans: ie there are some WI in these specs that may be impacted by FeatureFreeze
[17:36] <mathiaz> jiboumans: like a getting a new package
[17:36] <mathiaz> jiboumans: I need to review the specs in more details though
[17:36] <jiboumans> mathiaz: right, we may have to accept they won't be achievable for lucid
[17:38] <mathiaz> jiboumans: well - my point is that we may be able to achieve them for lucid - we just need to shuffle the WI around to accomodate for FeatureFreeze
[17:38] <mathiaz> jiboumans: ie the WI related to testing can be scheduled for *after* FF
[17:39] <jiboumans> mathiaz: ok, i'm definitely up for entertaining that idea. can you bounce a suggestion to me and ttx and relate it to the roadmap (ie, what should be moved out instead)?
[17:39] <jiboumans> i have to run out for an engagement now i'm afraid
[17:39] <mathiaz> jiboumans: which could free some ressources for doing WI from other BP that would fell under the FF
[17:39] <mathiaz> jiboumans: sure
[17:39] <jiboumans> mathiaz: thanks. bbl
[17:39] <mathiaz> jiboumans: I'll need to do a review of the specs
[17:47] <coolion64> Hi, i'm trying to connect to my LAN for internet access on latest ubuntu server. The installer never finds dhcp, even though the router serves dhcp. Won't work with a static ip. Any help please?
[17:50] <coolion64> I can't even ping the router, I get "Destination Host Unreachable
[17:55] <epinky> coolion64: installer means apt-get?
[17:56] <coolion64> No, the initial installer for ubuntu server, when it tries to detect dhcp settings
[17:59] <epinky> coolion64: are you installing from Internet? (not using the Ubuntu-Server CD)
[17:59] <coolion64> No, booted from cd.
[18:00] <epinky> coolion64: then should not be an issue, you can skip that part(configure static IPs, and update later)
[18:01] <coolion64> i set it up manually, but there is still no connection.
[18:02] <epinky> coolion64: can you  post results of  lspci and ifconfig -a ?
[18:03] <chinny> hey everyone
[18:04] <coolion64> any way to narrow results of lspci?
[18:04] <epinky> coolion64: lshw -c network
[18:12] <AmokPaule> Hello, can i somehow turn it off that apache displays on a blank page what version and what os its running on?
[18:12] <RoyK> good localtime();
[18:12] <RoyK> AmokPaule: rm index.html
[18:12] <chinny> Got 2 x ubuntu server boxes 8.04lts x64 with 4gb ram each in vmware. One is running apache2 with Moodle on top of that. Other is the db box - Postgres. Each apache process is using ~200Mb or ram (as seen in "top"). postgres is running at around ~100Mb per process. Is this expected?
[18:13] <RoyK> AmokPaule: see /etc/apache2/sites-available/default for the default server setup
[18:13] <AmokPaule> Royk there is no index.html yet and thanks i will look there
[18:13] <RoyK> AmokPaule: I've just replaced mine with this http://francesco.karlsbakk.net/
[18:14] <coolion64> ifconfig -a output http://pastebin.com/d590a768
[18:14] <RoyK> chinny: it's not _each_ apache process that's running 200 megs - it's all of them. read up about linux memory allocation :)
[18:15] <qman__> is there any way to install grub legacy instead of grub2 during a fresh install of karmic server? grub2 is giving me all sorts of trouble, and reverting from a recovery shell post-install isn't working
[18:15] <RoyK> AmokPaule: apart from that, yes, it's normal. but - I would recommend against running a database in a VM, at least if you require more than a little
[18:15] <epinky> coolion64: can you ping your ip address?
[18:15] <RoyK> qman__: what?
[18:15] <RoyK> qman__: wrong :þ
[18:16] <AmokPaule> kk
[18:16] <RoyK> coolion64: what about it?
[18:17] <qman__> when I install karmic server on this machine, regardless of how I set up the partitions, it fails to boot
[18:18] <RoyK> qman__: hm... does it work with 9.04?
[18:18] <qman__> yes
[18:18] <macli> coolion64: what does netstat -rn shows?
[18:18] <RoyK> wierd
[18:18] <RoyK> coolion64: what's the problem?
[18:19] <qman__> I've got 3 disks on an nvraid controller, but with or without the nvraid enabled, it still doesn't work
[18:19] <qman__> I tried to uninstall grub2 and install grub legacy from a recovery shell, but that's not working either
[18:19] <RoyK> wierd
[18:19] <RoyK> I'm not using raid controllers, though
[18:19] <coolion64> epinky, which ip should i test?
[18:19]  * RoyK uses zfs for that stuff :þ
[18:20] <epinky> coolion64: ping -c 5 192.168.1.100
[18:20] <qman__> at this point I'm looking at installing 9.04 and upgrading, but I was going to see if there was a way to install grub legacy from the get go
[18:20] <coolion64> epinky, yes that works fine
[18:21] <macli> coolion64: you should also try to ping your router ip, I guess it is 192.168.1.1
[18:21] <epinky> coolion64: now what's the router(gateway) address?
[18:21] <coolion64> macli, the router ip gives Destination Host Unreachable
[18:21] <macli> check your cable connection?
[18:22] <coolion64> epinky, the router is at 192.168.1.1
[18:22] <epinky> coolion64:are you sure your router accepts ICMP packets?
[18:22] <Kettle_Corn> Hi everyone, question: I'm planning to build a NAS-acting little box on the Intel D945GSEJT board. Would Ubuntu server act fine as this, or should I just go with FreeNAS?
[18:22] <coolion64> I'll check the router firewall.
[18:22] <Kettle_Corn> I need file sharing and automatic backup
[18:23] <RoyK> Kettle_Corn: use opensolaris :þ
[18:23] <Kettle_Corn> why is that better, RoyK?
[18:23] <coolion64> would spi block icmp packets?
[18:23] <epinky> coolion64: ISP?
[18:23] <RoyK> Kettle_Corn: zfs and native in-kernel cifs are the largest ones
[18:24] <coolion64> stateful packet inspection
[18:24] <RoyK> Kettle_Corn: but not as much hardware support as with linux
[18:24] <epinky> Kettle_Corn: there's always NILFS on Linux
[18:24] <RoyK> epinky: huh???
[18:24] <Kettle_Corn> ok, well better hardware support, in my book, beats "larger"
[18:24] <RoyK> epinky: NILFS is a fucking toy
[18:24] <Kettle_Corn> I have no idea what zfs and in-kernel cifs means :)
[18:25] <RoyK> Kettle_Corn: take a look at zfs first
[18:25] <RoyK> zfs fucking rocks
[18:25] <Kettle_Corn> is that linux?
[18:25] <RoyK> no, solaris
[18:25] <RoyK> zfs exists for linux as well using fuse
[18:25] <Kettle_Corn> ok and solaris = unix?
[18:25] <RoyK> but it's not optimal
[18:25] <macli> coolion64, maybe disable firewall setting for a moment to make sure it is firewall issue ?
[18:25] <RoyK> solaris and linux and bsd and hpux and so on are unices, yes
[18:25] <epinky> Kettle_Corn: if you need ZFS go FreeBSD way
[18:26] <Kettle_Corn> is zfs free?
[18:26] <RoyK> Kettle_Corn: opensolaris.org
[18:26] <Kettle_Corn> ok
[18:26] <RoyK> epinky: you won't get dedup with freebsd :þ
[18:26] <Kettle_Corn> should I go to code repositories..?
[18:26] <RoyK> Kettle_Corn: online compression, deduplication, snapshotting/cloning etc is pretty fancy stuff
[18:27] <Kettle_Corn> or just download?
[18:27] <RoyK> just download the iso
[18:27] <Kettle_Corn> well the use scenario is this:
[18:27] <Kettle_Corn> me and wifes computer should be backed up automatically, and we should be able to ask the box to download torrents. that's basically it
[18:27] <RoyK> anything can be used for that
[18:27] <Kettle_Corn> but it has to do just that perfectly, and it needs to be able to suspend to RAM
[18:28] <Kettle_Corn> which rules out FreeNAS which was my initial idea
[18:28] <RoyK> but for ease of setup, even ubuntu desktop will be good
[18:28] <RoyK> for suspend to ram, use desktop
[18:28] <Kettle_Corn> ok. would you recommend and specific software to handle backups over the network?
[18:28] <RoyK> the only difference between server and desktop is X and some kernel tunables you don't need
[18:28] <RoyK> anything will work
[18:29] <RoyK> linux or windows clients?
[18:29] <Kettle_Corn> windows
[18:29] <Kettle_Corn> possible macs as well
[18:29] <qman__> ntbackup, robocopy, whatever you've got
[18:29] <RoyK> just setup a linux desktop machine as the "server", configure samba and you're done
[18:29] <coolion64> macli, how about the network dmz
[18:29] <RoyK> Mac OS X runs samba as well
[18:30] <epinky> coolion64: turn tcpdump on and retry pinging
[18:30] <Kettle_Corn> I wont be connecting a monitor to this box; is there any way to access the screen of it, via the network from another computer?
[18:30] <RoyK> epinky: or try tcp connect?
[18:30] <coolion64> the command for tcpdump?
[18:30] <Kettle_Corn> like screen sharing
[18:31] <RoyK> coolion64: tcpdump
[18:31] <RoyK> Kettle_Corn: ssh?
[18:31] <RoyK> or vnc
[18:31] <Kettle_Corn> vnc I know of. isn't ssh something command line only?
[18:31] <epinky> coolion64: tcpdump -i eth0 > myeth0capture.log
[18:31] <qman__> yes
[18:32] <Kettle_Corn> for example, if I want to tell the box to start downloading a torrent (for overnight activity, turning off our "user" computers). then I'd need to access the desktop of the box, right?
[18:32] <coolion64> having to retype it all sorry
[18:32] <qman__> Kettle_Corn, no, you can use a torrent client with a web interface
[18:33] <qman__> and access it with the web browsers on your other computers
[18:33] <macli> coolion64: You could try
[18:33] <Kettle_Corn> aha, clever
[18:33] <RoyK> tcpdump -wfilename.pcap -i eth0
[18:33] <qman__> transmission has one built in, but if you want a more complete system, I suggest torrentflux
[18:33] <Kettle_Corn> cool, thanks, I'll check that out
[18:34] <Kettle_Corn> a different note: I'll be using the Intel D945GSEJT as mentioned. it takes a pcie card if you want wireless networking. how do I find out if a card works on ubuntu or not?
[18:35] <qman__> there are compatibility lists, but most intel cards work
[18:35] <qman__> intel supports linux
[18:35] <macli> coolion64: again, what does your netstat -rn shows, it should show routing info like 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG eth0, something like that
[18:36] <coolion64> i see several almost identical entries like: date, random number, STP, 802.1w, Rapid STP, Flags [Learn, Forward], bridge-id 9090.0$9090.00:22:f7:00:2f:cb:.5005, length 43
[18:36] <Kettle_Corn> ok, cool. again, totally different question: I see torrentflux supports starting downloads on RSS feeds. Would it be possible to have it automatically download a torrent with a video file, and afterwards invoke a script upon the content? such as converting an avi-file to a iPhone friendly format
[18:37] <qman__> Kettle_Corn, that would be possible to do, but torrentflux doesn't have that kind of thing built in, you'd have to write it yourself
[18:37] <epinky> coolion64: Spanning Tree adverts, however what about ARP, is anything about that?
[18:37] <Kettle_Corn> of course ,I'm not saying have torrentflux do the video conversion
[18:38] <Kettle_Corn> would be kinda fun to try
[18:38] <qman__> I mean the functionality to trigger the conversion upon completion
[18:38] <chinny> apache docs say "determine the size of your average Apache process, by looking at your process list via a tool such as top, and divide this into your total available memory". which is the correct column to determine the size of the apache processes?
[18:38] <Kettle_Corn> how about some script that runs now and then, that scans my download folder for avi files and converts when it finds something?
[18:38] <qman__> the problem with that is, you wouldn't know if the file is complete or not
[18:39] <Kettle_Corn> aah.. true
[18:39] <qman__> so you'd have to have some trigger from torrentflux
[18:39] <qman__> which is doable, but you'd need to write it yourself
[18:39] <Kettle_Corn> as in, code that in myself?
[18:39] <qman__> yes
[18:39] <Kettle_Corn> what language is it written in?
[18:39] <qman__> php
[18:40] <macli> coolion64: epinky want to see if there is arp broadcasting traffic in tcpdump
[18:40] <Kettle_Corn> oh, cool, shouldn't be too hard the
[18:40] <qman__> well, torrentflux is in php, the torrnet client it uses is bittornado, which is in python
[18:40] <coolion64> nothing about arp no
[18:40] <macli> you could try arp -a also to see there is arp cache for 192.168.1.1
[18:41] <Kettle_Corn> do you think I'd have to write some python as well to pull it off? I know this isn't exactly easy for you to know, but you probably have a better guess than me
[18:42] <macli> coolion64, what is your netstat -rn output?
[18:42] <RoyK> chinny: man ps
[18:43] <coolion64> the below is netstat:
[18:43] <coolion64> Kernel IP routing table
[18:43] <coolion64> Destination	Gateway	Genmask		Flags	MSS Window	irtt Iface
[18:44] <coolion64> 192.168.1.0	0.0.0.0	255.255.255.0	U	0   0		o    eth0
[18:44] <coolion64> 0.0.0.0		192.168.1.1	0.0.0.0	UG	0	0	0	eth0
[18:44] <epinky> coolion64: are you sure your Ubuntu is connected to an access port and not trunk port?
[18:44] <RoyK> coolion64: can you ping 1.1_
[18:44] <qman__> Kettle_Corn, it all depends on how you approach it, I wager you could do either way or a combination of both
[18:44] <coolion64> also, lshw -c network, output http://pastebin.com/d3cd35425
[18:45] <Kettle_Corn> alright, well I know php but not python so I'll go that route
[18:45] <coolion64> epinky, what is a trunk port?
[18:45] <Kettle_Corn> btw, I can run ubuntu desktop off a usb stick memory, right?
[18:46] <chinny> anyone?
[18:46] <epinky> coolion64: STP advertisements are flowing by, I think it's probably an SPAN port you're connected to, check switch config
[18:46] <coolion64> you mean my hub or my router?
[18:47] <epinky> coolion64: hub or switch nearby
[18:47] <coolion64> the hub it connects has no controls, just a power button
[18:48] <epinky> coolion64: what about the router, can you check there?
[18:49] <coolion64> for an option called span?
[18:49] <epinky> coolion64: to check which port are access ports, btw which router is it? can you tell?
[18:50] <coolion64> d link dsl 2740b
[18:50] <smoser> zul, ping. see pm
[18:54] <coolion64> doesn't show access ports
[18:55] <macli> coolion64: set the router back to factory setting and see how it goes?
[18:55] <epinky> coolion64: is your Draft-N router already configured(set up)?
[18:56] <coolion64> it is at factory default already
[18:56] <coolion64> epinky, yes
[18:57] <epinky> coolion64: I think ip default ip address for router is 192.168.0.1
[18:58] <coolion64> these come as 192.168.1 in spain
[18:58] <coolion64> not sure why
[18:59] <macli> coolion64: you said you have hub between server and router? can you connect the server directly to the router?
[19:00] <coolion64> i shoule be able to
[19:00] <coolion64> and test it by pinging?
[19:01] <macli> ya
[19:01] <coolion64> turn dhcp on in /etc/network/interfaces?
[19:02] <macli> you could try dhclient eth0 at command line
[19:03] <macli> you should see an ip is assigned to eth0 from the command output if router dhcp server works
[19:04] <epinky> Discover, Offer, Request, Ack
[19:04] <coolion64> no dhcpoffers recieved
[19:06] <mjeanson> anyone knows about any kind of double mount protection in a SAN environment?
[19:07] <macli> hm, can any other computer get ip from the router by dhcp from cable connection?
[19:13] <Italian_Plumber> I want to put this controller card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124023 in an old machine, Pentium III, running hardy.  Will I have problems getting ubuntu to "recognize" the card?
[19:15] <thomatwork> Hi, I'm interested in using LDAP (and whatever else is necessary) on an Ubuntu server to replace Active Directory functionality. Anyone have tips or links on how to begin researching this? Are there any solid projects that have made this easy to do?
[19:28] <epinky> thomatwork: SMB and LDAP :) , there's a long long  way to go for the initial configuration, using smbldap-tools,mkntpwd, and PhpLDAPAdmin would make the process easier
[19:40] <Zelest> Is there a way to share a disk/device using iscsi? For example, I have /dev/sdb1 and I want to share/assign that to a machine on my local network.. how can this be achived?
[19:43] <epinky> Zelest: that other machine is also running linux?
[19:44] <Zelest> windows 7
[19:44] <Zelest> basicallt, I have a lot of space unused on my server and want to use it on my workstation :)
[19:44] <Zelest> basically*
[19:46] <epinky> Zelest: to store things?
[19:46]  * Zelest nods
[19:49] <epinky> Zelest: well you can configure a share using Samba(SMB) or you can also use SSHFS to store stuff there
[19:51] <Zelest> I have a fairly bad experience with both samba and nfs, that's why I'm looking at iscsi.. :) besides, it's always fun learning something new.
[20:22] <Zelest> How can i define what flags ietd should start with?
[20:33] <Italian_Plumber> what was your bad experience with samba?
[20:33] <Italian_Plumber> Old computer + big hard drive + ubuntu = instant NAS.
[20:34] <Italian_Plumber> Well,  Old computer + big hard drive + ubuntu + samba = instant NAS.
[20:38] <oru_work> www.google.com looks awfully weired today
[20:43] <Italian_Plumber> because they don't have a funny looking logo? :)
[20:44] <linuxR> hello there..any apache configuration cracks here? I have a problem getting my webserver to follow symlinks
[20:46] <linuxR> any idea why apache doesnt let me access a symlinked dir ? I get a 404 and have set "options followsymlink" for every possible directory in the config
[20:52] <soren> linuxR: Where does the symlink point to?
[20:52]  * genii sips and thinks about #httpd
[20:53] <linuxR> soren, sorry my fault..the name of the symlink was not the name I tried to access....sometimes I could slap myself
[20:54] <Italian_Plumber> this openssl update doesn't appear to have restarted my ssh server: http://pastebin.com/m68414f84
[20:58] <kisielk_home> Italian_Plumber: AFAICT, SSH doesn't use openssl
[20:58] <Italian_Plumber> oh ok
[20:58] <kisielk_home> er nevermind
[20:58] <kisielk_home> it does
[20:58] <kisielk_home> I don't think that kind of thing would automatically restart it though
[21:01] <Italian_Plumber> usually the update process restarts servers that it updates, iirc
[21:14] <blistov> I've removed a package via apt-get remove foo, but I did not use the --purge option.  How can I remove all the files --purge would have removed?
[21:17] <ScottK> blistov: Install it again and then purge
[21:18] <kisielk_home> Italian_Plumber: well, openssh-server wasn't updated.. I guess that's why
[21:18] <Italian_Plumber> yes but openssl was, doesn't openssh-server rely on that?
[21:37] <angel12> hey guys, im trying to setup an smtp server that will be able to act as an smtp server for some scanners that are off site to send emails of scanned items to email addresses, i am trying to use postfix at the moment, and when i try to send an email from thunderbird on another workstation on a different subnet i get "relay access denied"
[21:37] <angel12> any ideas?
[21:47] <blistov> ScottK, no other way huh?
[21:48] <blistov> goddamnit.  installing sendmail removes and purges postfix.
[21:50] <blistov> And purge doesn't remove sendmail configs.
[21:50] <blistov> grr.
[22:11] <ScottK> Installing sendmail doesn't purge postfix
[22:13] <lamont> ScottK: it removes it
[22:13] <lamont> Provides/Conflicts mail-transport-agent in both cases
[22:13] <ScottK> lamont: Right, it removes, not purges.
[22:13] <lamont> right
[22:14] <ScottK> So he can reinstall sendmail, purge it, reinstall postfix and have his postfix config back.
[22:17] <xgpt> hello
[22:18] <xgpt> i have a quick question about which version I need to install
[22:19] <tabamatu> xgpt: which is?
[22:36] <lyhana8> hi, where do I find the  http://java.sun.com/jsf/html and http://java.sun.com/jsf/core TLD ?
[22:38] <miranda_> hello, I am experiencing very strange issue with my fan, its a laptop, it looks like the fan speed gets STUCK, and even if there are no processes and cpu temp  goes back to 55C for example, the fan still is full on
[22:39] <miranda_> what should i start to look for?
[22:39] <miranda_> any ideas on how to find out whats going on?
[22:41] <miranda_> hello?
[22:42] <DasEi> miranda_: first thing would be to look in bios, that it it's set to allow control at all
[22:42] <lyhana8> did you check for dust in your fan miranda_?
[22:42] <miranda_> lyhana8, yeah, been cleaned, and airdusted
[22:42] <DasEi> miranda_: next install lm-sensors , run sensors-detect
[22:43] <miranda_> DasEi, I believe no bios options, its one of those basic bios
[22:44] <miranda_> sensors-detect its quite an impressive thing
[22:44] <DasEi> miranda_: most let you set it, least modes, specially on lappys (batt) ; http://tinyurl.com/y9lzuep
[22:45] <miranda_> but nvclock said i cannot control fan speed
[22:45] <miranda_> that my card does not support it
[22:46] <DasEi> miranda_: nvclock is for chipset, follow given hints and the link, ask, when you get stuck
[22:48] <miranda_> yeah, cool
[22:48] <miranda_> thats quite useful
[22:48] <miranda_> im just restarting my server
[22:48] <miranda_> just meanwhile... what you think of using a laptop as media center/lamp server?
[22:48] <miranda_> am i crazy?
[22:50] <miranda_> i just believe its the best thing ever, it suits my needs perfectly, and does not require that much of space, and its silent! and fits perfectly under my tv
[22:51] <miranda_> wow, thats a great start...
[22:51] <miranda_> /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed
[22:52] <oh_noes> is it easy to upgrade to ext4 on ubuntu server 8.04.3?
[22:52] <oh_noes> or even supported
[22:56] <jpds> oh_noes: No.
[22:57] <oh_noes> Are canonical holding off ext4 for the next version of server LTS for ext4?
[22:59] <miranda_> DasEi, no luck,,, no pwm-capable sensor modules installed..
[22:59] <miranda_> i guess im out of luck
[22:59] <miranda_> it is so strange, as in jaunty and earlier, never had any fan noise...
[23:18] <angel12> hey guys, im trying to setup my postfix server to send email via thunderbird installed on offsite clients, and i get relay access denied
[23:18] <angel12> any help?
[23:26] <avenger01> I'm doing some ubuntu cloud server research, is it possible to run the storage controller (or use persistent storage) on a node?
[23:43] <jcastro> kirkland: does kvm anthony hang out on irc someplace?
[23:56] <ruben23> hi nayone can help how do i mount_cifs on a windows client without samba server..
[23:57] <ruben23> anyone can help and have idea..?