[00:30] <BeepBeep> How can I display time and date on 2 lines?
[00:47] <ochosi> BeepBeep, use the orage-panel applet
[00:52] <BeepBeep> Thanks a lot...appreciate it.
[00:57] <ochosi> np
[02:06] <ahaque89> is anyone here willing to take a newbie question?
[02:07] <linuxman410> sure go ahead
[02:07] <ahaque89> I've got xubuntueee loaded on an old asus
[02:07] <ahaque89> but I'm not able to updating anything
[02:07] <ahaque89> I keep getting: unable to retrieve packages
[02:07] <ahaque89> or Could not download repository indexes
[02:08] <linuxman410> did u try it from terminal
[02:08] <ahaque89> I read around that "gutsy " might be an issue
[02:08] <ahaque89> yeah
[02:08] <ahaque89> still no good
[02:08] <linuxman410> which version
[02:08] <ahaque89> how can i find that out for you?
[02:08] <linuxman410> han on
[02:08] <ahaque89> er got it
[02:08] <linuxman410> hang on
[02:08] <ahaque89> xfce 4.4.1
[02:09] <linuxman410> no what vesion of xubuntueee
[02:09] <ahaque89> 7.1
[02:09] <ahaque89> 7.10
[02:11] <linuxman410> is it a atom processor
[02:11] <ahaque89> er I don't think so
[02:11] <linuxman410> or do you have  900mhz eeepc
[02:12] <ahaque89> older
[02:12] <linuxman410> since 7.10 is not supported any more i would recommend easy peasy
[02:12] <ahaque89> 571mhz or something
[02:12] <ahaque89> hrm
[02:12] <ahaque89> dang
[02:13] <ahaque89> okay anyway to salvage this stuff and integrate it into the new os?
[02:13] <linuxman410> what stuff r u wanting to keep
[02:14] <ahaque89> mainly files (txt) files
[02:14] <ahaque89> I guess I can find a way to compress and send so that's nto a major issue
[02:14] <linuxman410> i would copy them to a usb flash drive then move them back
[02:15] <ahaque89> okay
[02:15] <ahaque89> thanks a lot for your help
[02:15] <ahaque89> can I ask this not supporting thing
[02:15] <linuxman410> you are welcome
[02:15] <ahaque89> does it happen a lot?
[02:15] <linuxman410> well 7.10 has not been supported in years
[02:16] <ahaque89> haha
[02:16] <ahaque89> okay
[02:16] <linuxman410> because it is up to version 9.10 now
[02:16] <ahaque89> okay
[02:16] <ahaque89> thanks again
[02:17] <linuxman410> u welcome
[02:17] <ahaque89> enjoy your evening!
[03:59] <vanagonman> hi I'm having trouble getting my xubuntu to connect with my broadcom wireless card
[05:54] <BigMoopies> Is there something compatable with "Microsoft Remote Assistance" ?
[06:00] <pdg1> can anyone point me to a good tutorial for installing lighttpd? I'm trying to setup a webui for rtorrent
[06:18] <MrNaz_yma> if i want to allow users to mount remote samba shares, how would i do that? only root can use mount, and when i try to do it from most user accounts i get "this user is not in the sudoers file" error
[06:20] <MrNaz_yma> i dont want to have to manually add each user to the sudoers file
[06:21] <Sysi> you shouldn't give sudo-rights to everybody
[06:26] <MrNaz_yma> well i dont want to
[06:26] <MrNaz_yma> i want to give mount capability to everybody
[06:26] <MrNaz_yma> coz everybody needs to be able to access the NAS
[06:26] <MrNaz_yma> which serves up CIFS shares... so if theres a better way to give everyone access to it, i'm all ears
[06:27] <MrNaz_yma> MrNaz listen up :P
[06:31] <MrNaz_yma> Sysi do you have any suggestions ?
[06:31] <Sysi> i don't have any experience with samba
[06:42] <pdg1> MrNaz, i think i know
[06:43] <MrNaz_yma> its not samba related... all i need to do is give non-admin users the ability to use mount
[06:44] <MrNaz_yma> pdg1 ?
[06:44] <pdg1> why? i think all you want to do is bind a samba share to a specific folder
[06:45] <pdg1> because you can do that without giving users sudo rights...
[06:46] <MrNaz_yma> how ?
[06:47] <pdg1> I can't quite remember exactly because i haven't had to do it
[06:47] <pdg1> I will shortly because i just ordered a 1TB drive for a comp i'm turning into a NAS
[06:47] <pdg1> I do know that the process is called binding
[06:47] <pdg1> and you want to bind a samba share to a mount point
[06:48] <pdg1> so you can have something like /media/NAS/(whatever folders you have)
[06:49] <pdg1> look at the man page for mount and fstab
[06:49] <pdg1> I apologize for not having more help, but I have to get out of here before my friend kicks my ass
[06:50] <pdg1> rock on MrNaz_yma
[06:54] <MrNaz_yma> aah
[06:54] <MrNaz_yma> i'll google with bind instead of mount as a search term
[06:54] <MrNaz_yma> that's good enough... thanks mate :)
[10:21] <TheSheep> anybody knows how to configure notify-osd?
[10:21] <TheSheep> in particular, how do I move it to the bottom right corner
[11:15] <BeepBeep> Any suggestions for a gud bittorrent prog other than the default?
[11:18] <Sysi> BeepBeep: you can try, deluge or ktorrent or something
[11:19] <Sysi> i like default, transmission
[11:23] <BeepBeep> thanks
[14:37] <Pres-Gas> Good morrow, all.
[14:38]  * charlie-tca waves
[15:08] <jointman> Hello. How do I become a programmer?
[15:10] <Ov3rf10w> jointman:
[15:10] <Sysi> pick a language and start studying it
[15:10] <jointman> I do not understand Ov3rf10w.
[15:10] <Ov3rf10w> yes
[15:11] <Ov3rf10w> and get some ebooks for this language
[15:11] <jointman> ok, sounds good to me
[15:11] <Ov3rf10w> :)
[15:11] <gudmund> Typically C++ or phyton
[15:12] <Ov3rf10w> python is easier for start
[15:12] <gudmund> but with Gambas 2 you can use a Virtual Basic-like languagt ;)
[15:12] <gudmund> Basic is a easy programming language
[15:13] <Sysi> php is useful and shouldn't be very hard
[15:13] <Ov3rf10w> you can learn assembly
[15:13] <Ov3rf10w> it's low level language
[15:13] <knome> low level doesn't mean it's easy :P
[15:14] <Ov3rf10w> knome: asm is not hard to learn
[15:14] <Ov3rf10w> for me
[15:14] <Ov3rf10w> ..
[15:14] <jointman> since we're in the subject of languages, are alice and python good for beginners?
[15:14] <gudmund> yea, php is fun and relevant if you want to make functional and useful websites
[15:14] <knome> jointman, python would be okay. it's very popular
[15:15] <jointman> python it is, thanks for the input guys :X
[15:17] <gudmund> :)
[15:25] <TheSheep> anybody happen to know where the new great ubuntu invention, notify-oss, reads its configuration from?
[15:25] <TheSheep> the project is almost completely undocumented
[15:25] <knome> TheSheep, SiDi might know.
[15:42] <Ffunk74> I have a little problem (all work fine for some months): When I login via gdm X server reboots, it takes 2-3 times to login without rebooting. I use Xubuntu 9.10, nVidia 7600 card with proprietary driver. Here is my Xorg.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/356619/
[18:24] <Sysi> i'd get minimal xubuntu if i revove entire xubuntu-desktop and then install X, gdm and xfce, right?
[18:24] <Sysi> *remove
[18:25] <likemindead> Worth a shot.
[19:07] <likemindead> Ever looked into CrunchBang, Sysi? If you're wanting a more minimal Ubuntu, that's the way to go. :D
[19:23] <Sysi> well, i have over 1GB of memory, but i still want lighter
[19:31] <knome> Sysi, you don't even need gdm :P
[19:35] <Sysi> hmm, i could get kdm and try xdmcp
[19:36] <Sysi> it's propably mostly useless, this intel works so badly :/
[19:36] <Sysi> started freezing after i tried copositing
[19:37] <knome> who uses compisiting anyway?
[19:38]  * TheSheep rises a hand
[19:38] <Sysi> o/
[19:38]  * knome tickles TheSheep from the armpit
[19:39] <knome> i don't use compositing.
[19:39]  * TheSheep bites knome's head off
[19:39] <knome> TheSheep, you can't. my nose is too big.
[19:39] <TheSheep> knome: right, you don't use it, so lets remove it from xubuntu ;)
[19:39] <Sysi> i use xfce because of easy eyecandy, at least partly
[19:39] <knome> TheSheep, i didn't mean that :P
[19:40] <knome> the point was that if you have a low-end pc, why would it matter if you didn't get compositing?
[19:40] <TheSheep> right now I just want to track down and hurt the author of notify-osd
[19:40] <knome> it's not really bringing in any more usability
[19:40] <Sysi> i thought that TheSheep said that your head is useless..
[19:40] <knome> Sysi, lol
[19:40] <TheSheep> Sysi: I'm sure it has many uses
[19:40] <Sysi> this isn't actyallu low end
[19:40] <TheSheep> Sysi: as balast, for example
[19:40] <TheSheep> Sysi: or an anchor
[19:40] <knome> Sysi, well, i was not only talking about your pc
[19:40] <Sysi> yeah
[19:41] <TheSheep> you could also put a funny hat on it
[19:42] <knome> np: Kraftwerk / Radioactivity
[19:42] <Sysi> np: Britney Spears - Crazy
[19:42] <knome> EWW
[19:43] <Sysi> sometimes fun to listen
[19:49]  * Pres-Gas scrolls up to see what is up with compositing and the biting off of heads
[19:50] <Sysi> knome: try to understand, i have fever
[19:52] <Pres-Gas> Any artist that needs to use Auto-Tune to excess is not worth listening to
[19:52] <Sysi> only finish people understand the horror when i say that i also have gimmel on my hd
[19:53] <Sysi> *finnish
[19:53] <knome> Sysi, :)
[19:54] <Pres-Gas> TheSheep, did you see this:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD
[19:57] <TheSheep> Pres-Gas: yes, any and all google searches point to taht useless page
[19:58] <Pres-Gas> TheSheep, I gave it me best shot.
[19:58] <TheSheep> Pres-Gas: I don't care about how canonical wants the notifications to look, I want to know how I can modify that
[19:58] <TheSheep> Pres-Gas: thanks, sorry
[19:58] <Sysi> hopefully i got rid of that with minimal install
[20:02] <charlie-tca> TheSheep: I have tried that with notify-osd; the only one that admits to anything to do with it is mpt, as a good design thing
[20:02] <charlie-tca> but, ... he is not the developer, just the designer
[20:03] <knome> TheSheep, SiDi knows that. he's fiddled around with it.
[20:05] <charlie-tca> you can NOT modify the notices very easily
[20:05] <knome> no, not without building from source again
[20:05] <knome> or with steve's patch
[20:09] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: I'd be happy to just modify the corner in which it appears
[20:10] <TheSheep> the ubuntu default is silly
[20:10] <TheSheep> and distracting
[20:10] <charlie-tca> That got built in by design
[20:11] <TheSheep> no, I did it on one of my computers
[20:11] <charlie-tca> I got into a lot of discussions about it all, still can't change colors for those who need to (Accessibility)
[20:11] <Pres-Gas> Ewwwww, notify-osd uses gconf schemas?
[20:11] <knome> TheSheep, charlie-tca: i'm making steve write a tutorial for it, if possibly, tonight
[20:11] <TheSheep> it appears in the bottom right corner now
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Will that let me change colors, knome
[20:12] <charlie-tca> ?
[20:12] <knome> charlie-tca, well yes, by changing the source.
[20:12] <Pres-Gas> TheSheep, you are wanting to change position of notify-osd?
[20:12] <charlie-tca> I see. Of course, I don't do source myself
[20:13] <knome> charlie-tca, it's not end-user tutorial, since steve plans on reviewing his patch on february and package more easily configurable version in PPA
[20:13] <knome> charlie-tca, you're gonna cope with it. :) you don't have to know how to code.
[20:14] <charlie-tca> been coping with it since they stupid designed it
[20:14] <knome> lol
[20:14] <knome> i can find out how to use ppa's and package you one with better colors, if i have time
[20:15] <TheSheep> Pres-Gas: yes
[20:15] <Pres-Gas> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/notify-osd/+question/80515
[20:16] <Pres-Gas> TheSheep, look at tuwe's post in 2009-10-12
[20:16] <Pres-Gas> s/in/on
[20:16] <TheSheep> I don't have such gconf key
[20:17] <TheSheep> I looked in gconf, it was the second thing I did
[20:17] <charlie-tca> It should be in Ubuntu, not Xubuntu
[20:18] <Pres-Gas> So, if you do the command it complains?
[20:18] <Pres-Gas> ...w/o a schema?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> I think ignores...
[20:20] <Pres-Gas> ahhh...so just give you the prompt again....but didn't really do the job
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Is there any way to recover the hard drive after ext4 screws it up ?
[20:23] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: what do you mean?
[20:23] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: you want to convert to ext3?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> I now have 3 hard drives killed by it; it did something wrong, and now the hard drive is full of sector can't be read errors
[20:23] <charlie-tca> Makes the drive useless
[20:23] <Sysi> ssd?
[20:24] <charlie-tca> hard disk drive
[20:24] <charlie-tca> pata
[21:01] <knome> TheSheep, charlie-tca, Pres-Gas: http://mupuf.org/blog/article/22/
[21:07] <TheSheep> knome: thanks
[21:09] <TheSheep> knome: brilliant! it only has EAST and NORTH_EAST gravity
[21:10]  * TheSheep whines some more
[21:11] <charlie-tca> me too. I don't understand the coding
[21:12] <TheSheep> hex rgb values?
[21:13] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: gimp gives you these in its color picker
[21:17] <Pres-Gas> knome, awesome....satisfied my curiosity
[21:18] <Pres-Gas> Whoops...reboot time
[21:31] <Sysi> bad ubottu :<