[00:00] <freinhard> i did, but as before: just warnings ;)
[00:00] <neversfelde> warnings are not good :)
[00:01] <neversfelde> you should solve everything and if there is something that cannot be solved ad an override
[00:02] <freinhard> btw that watch file doesn't work if there is no directory index for the target location?
[00:03] <freinhard> uuscan jus failed.
[00:03] <neversfelde> freinhard: for some hosters you cannot add a watch file
[00:04] <freinhard> so i'll drop it
[00:04] <neversfelde> I would find another package, which is in the archive and also hosted on code.google and use the watch file, if it is there, as an example
[00:05] <neversfelde> but I have always problems with creating proper watch files, too
[00:05] <neversfelde> probably someone else can give you better help there
[00:11] <freinhard> k, no more lintian errors. no i just upload it once again?
[00:11] <neversfelde> yes
[00:11] <neversfelde> and find two motus who advocate the package
[00:45] <ScottK> freinhard: Also build the package and check the .debs with lintian too
[00:49] <pgquiles> how much disk space do I need for a full mirror of Karmic i386 (binary and source) ?
[00:50] <freinhard> pgquiles: why would one want to do that?
[00:55] <pgquiles> freinhard: because I'm creating my own distribution, based on kubuntu, for a very specific use case
[00:56] <freinhard> pgquiles: creating some sort of overlay with a ppa doesn't cut it?
[01:00] <pgquiles> freinhard: no, it does not. I'm customizing the boot, heavily modifying ubiquity and more
[01:01] <pgquiles> I just want to know if 25 GB (all the free space currently in my current hard disk) will be enough
[01:03] <freinhard> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/mirror/1
[01:03] <freinhard> 40gb
[01:04] <pgquiles> freinhard: thank you
[01:22] <ScottK> freinhard and pgquiles: That's all archs.  For a single arch and source, 25 GB should be fine.
[01:35] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/lucid-alpha-2
[01:39] <ScottK> kubuntunetbook has already tweeted and dented.
[01:51] <Zorael> kubuntu.org link to release notes page seems borked? Missing http://.
[01:52] <Riddell> Zorael: fixed
[01:53] <Zorael> much better. :3
[02:01] <maco> Riddell: i thought that silly picture of rod with the funny wig was supposed to be on the alpha 2 release blog post?
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> I have received 623 rosetta translation template import messages \o/
[02:08]  * JontheEchidna is glad he didn't upload l10n packages
[02:11]  * ScottK didn't count, just deleted
[02:13] <JontheEchidna> they all go straight to trash, and since I never read them they show up in nice bold letters in the trashcan in KMail
[02:14]  * ScottK usually hits mail on his phone first and it doesn't filter so well.
[02:26] <ScottK> Riddell: How would you feel about removing koffice2 source?  That would get rid of one of my few remaining boost1.38 reverse-build-depends.
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> for what it's worth the current koffice2 binary packages are broken anyways
[02:35] <JontheEchidna> or at least krita is
[02:35] <ScottK> The next upload will be as koffice anyway, so the koffice2 source is pointless
[02:36] <ScottK> There's already a koffice2 as koffice upload.
[03:18] <ScottK> seele: Jono founded the KDE usability project? http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/speakers/jono-bacon
[03:28] <seele> ScottK: he did? lol
[03:28] <ScottK> I know he did have some involvement with KDE a long time ago
[03:28] <seele> oh, the KDE Usability Study
[03:28] <seele> that's different
[03:28] <ScottK> Oh.  OK.
[03:28] <seele> there was some formal usability study he organized
[03:28] <ScottK> Fair enough
[03:28] <seele> dont know if the report is even around
[03:29] <seele> that's pretty strange to put in your bio though
[03:29] <seele> i guess for a while he was pushing usability testing so maybe that's part of the promo
[03:35] <JontheEchidna> isn't the kde usability study what eventually spawned kickoff?
[03:48] <nixternal> i hope not
[03:53] <daskreech> Wasn't the Suse?
[03:54] <nixternal> yes
[03:54] <nixternal> hey, you see the kio_imap4 fix in packagers? a must have like he said for 4.3.x users as well
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> I've an SRU mostly finished for that
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> just need to go through all the red tape
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> bug 350902
[03:58] <nixternal> "wrote some KDE applications" <- ScottK should read "wrote _a_ KDE application" and an application that I used :)
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> A core-dev-ish person confirming the karmic nomination would be helpful
[03:58] <ScottK> Looking
[03:59] <nixternal> actually, we did write an applet and the first ever build script for KDE trunk checkouts
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> Should I be able to confirm SRU nominations as a kubuntu-dev?
[04:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Done
[04:00] <JontheEchidna> (in theory, aside from launchpad failure)
[04:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If you can upload the package, you should be able to approve the nomination.
[04:00] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: thanks
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> bug 507773, which only had to have "rebuild" changed to "confirm/reject SRU nominations" from his report about the latter :/
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> *the former
[04:12] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: we would want this to go into backports as well, yes?
[04:12] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yes.
[04:13] <ScottK> Open a task against karmic-backports and then find someone in ubuntu-backporters to approve it.
[04:13] <JontheEchidna> would subscribing ubuntu-backporters do the trick?
[04:13] <ScottK> Possibly.  Asking me would probably be faster though.
[04:13] <ScottK> ;-)
[04:13] <JontheEchidna> heh
[04:14] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: karmic-backports task opened
[04:14] <ScottK> Looking
[04:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Approved.  You can upload to karmic-backports and then ping me and I'll accept it.
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I've tried uploading to karmic-backports before. It appears the per-package upload rights aren't backwards-compatible
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> will try again to see if things have changed
[04:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  Fling me a debdiff after you test it and I'll upload it if it doesn't work.
[04:25] <JontheEchidna> rejected
[04:25] <JontheEchidna> so cruel...
[04:25] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/f45f596a0
[04:26] <ScottK> Looking.  File another bug for that one then.
[04:30] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Uploaded.  Once it appears, I'll accept it.
[04:30] <JontheEchidna> bug 507779
[04:31] <JontheEchidna> yet another copypasta, replacing "confirm/reject SRU nominations" to "upload things to -backports"
[04:32] <JontheEchidna> My lack of attention to detail in writing a fresh report each time reflects the lack of attention to detail soyuz has for supporting per-package upload rights :P
[04:33] <crimsun> I just closed 76 bugs with one upload. Nice.
[04:34] <maco> ~order vegan low-sugar cookies for crimsun
[04:34]  * kubotu slides vegan low-sugar cookies down the bar to crimsun
[04:34] <JontheEchidna> epic
[04:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Accepted.
[04:37] <JontheEchidna> We need to get a KDE guy on ubuntu-sru
[04:37] <ScottK> Nah, just ping jdong.  He'll approve anything.
[04:45] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Get someone else (like nixternal) to upload that one so I can accept it (backports isn't strict about that)
[04:45] <daskreech> I need to stop reading that as j-dong
[04:45] <JontheEchidna> giggidy giggidy
[04:46] <crimsun> (ping if you still need it done)
[04:47] <maco> daskreech: but that is how it's read.... j for john, and dong for...dong
[04:47] <daskreech> maco: Ah I read it as japanese
[04:48] <maco> no, i think he's chinese
[04:51] <daskreech> Chon Wang?
[04:53] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: jdong says upload first, so crimsun, if you're still available ....
[04:57] <JontheEchidna> jdong has ack'd
[04:58]  * crimsun scrollls
[04:58] <crimsun> -l
[05:11] <JontheEchidna> crimsun: thanks for the sponsor
[05:12] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: it's waiting for approval now
[05:12] <JontheEchidna> yay
[05:13] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Done
[05:13] <JontheEchidna> This has been perhaps the speediest SRU I've taken part in
[05:17] <ScottK> They go faster late at night when no adults are around.
[05:21] <JontheEchidna> the buildds are nice and empty too
[05:35] <ScottK> I think I have the last two uploads before I ask for boost 1.38 removal test building.  Neither of them are short, so I think I'll head off to bed.
[08:33] <jussi01> has someone got a vanilla or almost vanilla lucid going?
[09:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: corporate identity
[09:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is re: what does CI stand for
[09:46] <apachelogger> markey: ahoy, well, kind of recovered, its not like you ever get true rest when you are me ;)
[09:47] <markey> hehe
[09:47] <markey> I know this condition
[09:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: how did the interview go?
[10:18] <Quintasan|Szel> anyone knows how can I display list of AP's near me in command line?
[10:45] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[10:45] <agateau> message indicator widget has been renamed
[10:45] <agateau> https://launchpad.net/plasma-widget-message-indicator
[10:45] <agateau> I just made a new release
[10:51] <Riddell> agateau: yay :)
[10:52] <agateau> Riddell: the only new "feature" is the ability to embed the widget in the systemtray
[10:53] <agateau> Speaking of which, I think it would make the system look cleaner if the default configuration used embedded widgets whenever possible
[10:53] <Riddell> groovy, I'll update that package later today
[10:53] <Riddell> embedded widgets?
[10:53] <agateau> In the systemtray settings, there is a new page
[10:54] <agateau> which lets you embed plasma widgets inside the tray
[10:54] <agateau> they take less space this way (good for netbooks)
[10:56] <Riddell> oh yes we want to do that, we list that in one of our specs
[10:56] <agateau> cool!
[10:56] <agateau> so you can now embed the m-i as well
[10:56] <Riddell> lovely
[11:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan|Szel: iwlist device scan
[11:04] <apachelogger> e.g. iwlist wlan0 scan
[12:22] <ghostcube> jussi01: the ubuntu-devel guys are not so friendly like our ones in here :D
[12:23]  * ghostcube hides if anyone is cross joined :D
[12:26] <Tm_T> ghostcube: who isn't?
[12:26] <ghostcube> no one likes my jokes today :|
[12:27] <Tm_T> I liked it, didn't you see me almost smile (;)
[12:28] <ghostcube> :D
[12:46]  * Riddell has a crack at the new sip/python-qt
[13:07] <Riddell> agateau: I think I found a bug, you can't right click on message indicator if there's no indicator applications running
[13:09] <Riddell> bug 507905
[13:11] <ScottK> Perhaps it should just dissappear in such cases.
[13:11] <Riddell> maybe, that is what the decide notifier does if it's embedded in systray
[13:11] <Riddell> device
[13:12] <ScottK> Oooh.  /me wants.
[13:12] <ScottK> That's been my main bitch about the device notifier.
[13:12] <Riddell> the device notifier also seems to use an alarming exclamation mark icon these days when it pops up
[13:23] <agateau> Riddell: oh, you found it as well :)
[13:29] <Riddell> hmm, turns out if you remove sip then KDE breaks
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> good morning everybody
[13:40] <Riddell> it's jonathan!
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> hi jonathan
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> so... anybody up for sponsoring a kde4libs/kdebase-workspace/kubuntu-default-settings/kdepimilbs quadruple upload? :D
[13:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'm onto it as we speak
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> nice
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> The Todo is filling out quite nicely, for the point in the cycle we're in
[13:51] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: quadruple uploaded!
[13:52] <JontheEchidna> rock
[13:52] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-runtime needs an upload too, come to think of it
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> kdeplasma-addons also has some substantial changes in bzr
[13:54] <Riddell> ok, let's make it a sextuplet upload
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[14:04] <Riddell> glatzor says he'll look at updating packagekit stuff this weekend
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> awesome
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> webkitkde is looking pretty good. I have high hopes for it for lucid+1
[14:11] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: just if all that would compile in kdenetwork too (;
[14:12] <Tm_T> atleast here it fails to build nicely
[14:14] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: watch out for text fields suddently deleting themselves, I've been caught out by that a couple of times and there's no undo
[14:15] <Riddell> Tm_T: all what?
[14:20] <Tm_T> Riddell: kget konqueror plugin doesn't build here with webkit kpart, nor does babelfish konqueror extension
[14:21] <Tm_T> I haven't had much time to investigate this, but it started when there were header renaming in webkitkde svn
[14:21] <Tm_T> and simply fixing includes doesn't work
[14:23] <Tm_T> but are we interested about kget integration with webkitpart?
[14:28] <Tm_T> Riddell: will give exact errors as soon as I get that far in my builds
[14:29] <Tm_T> building after Qt update
[14:29] <sebas> How will the removal of HAL affect Solid's functionality in Lucid?
[14:29] <sebas> Or will you just install HAL as KDE dependency?
[14:31] <Riddell> Tm_T: I doubt upstream expects them to compuile
[14:31] <Riddell> compile
[14:31] <Riddell> sebas: where's this?
[14:31] <Riddell> sebas: since KDE needs hal still we'll need to keep it as a dependency
[14:31] <sebas> ah, so it won'tbe in Ubuntu, but will be in Kubuntu?
[14:32] <Tm_T> Riddell: but did (:
[14:33] <Riddell> sebas: hal is directly in our seeds
[14:33] <sebas> ah
[14:33] <sebas> thanks for the answer :)
[14:33] <sebas> Just wondered when I read the Lucid Alpha announcement
[14:35] <Riddell> sebas: it does raise the risk that if hal breaks nobody except us will care about it, and we're not experts at maintaining hal
[14:35] <sebas> How is that is different from the situation since ~two years?
[14:36] <Riddell> ubuntu desktop was still using hal for something so more people cared about it
[14:36] <sebas> Danny Kukawka has taken over maintainance of HAL, no?
[14:36] <Riddell> I mean care about it as packagers within ubuntu
[14:37] <sebas> Riddell: maybe we can skip devicekit and use whatever tech David comes up with when devicekit is "kind of working" and he moves on to rewrite that stuff again ;)
[14:37] <Riddell> sebas: I believe devicekit is already dead
[14:37] <Riddell> it's all udev now, or something
[14:37] <sebas> ok, skip two iterations then :)
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> devicekit's already dead? Oo
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> they should make up their minds
[14:38]  * sebas notes that this is the exact thing that drives 3rd party developers nuts
[14:38] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: and miss all the fun?
[14:38] <sebas> where s/nuts/away
[14:39] <Tm_T> sebas: and this is exactly why KDE/whatever should provide abstraction layer, so 3rd party developers doesn't have to follow things themselves
[14:39] <sebas> It's also the exact reason for having Solid
[14:39] <Tm_T> and does
[14:39] <Tm_T> sebas: that
[14:39] <sebas> same goes for pol(icy)kit, btw
[14:39] <sebas> that's also an utter mess, dead in the water before a stable API is there
[14:40] <Tm_T> packagekit?
[14:40] <Riddell> feel free to package shaman
[15:09] <allee-k> sebas: afair devicekit was just a temp. workaround until udev supports multiplexing and can feed devicekit-* modules itself
[15:10] <Riddell> that might be how it ended out but it wasn't the intention at the start I'm pretty sure :)
[15:10] <sebas> allee-k: right, hence deprecating HAL was a mistake
[15:10] <sebas> same goes for policykit, gstreamer, networkmanager, ...
[15:10] <sebas> all unstable APIs
[15:12] <allee-k> sebas: teaching linux to be more dynamic as disks/sticks/networks  is still work in progress :(
[15:13] <allee-k> disk/sticks/networks  come and go ...
[15:18] <ScottK> agateau: Still around.  I have some indicator feedback for you.
[15:19] <agateau> ScottK: phone call, will be available in a few minutes
[15:19] <ScottK> agateau: Great.  Let me know when
[15:21] <sebas> allee-k: I know ... doesn't mean that "change API at will" is a good idea
[15:22] <sebas> That's actually something Windows does really well
[15:22] <sebas> keeping backwards compatibility
[15:25] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[15:25] <_Groo_> any word from the street saying when koffice 2.1.1 will be in lucid? :)
[15:26] <Riddell> nixternal has the lock
[15:32] <agateau> ScottK: I am all hears
[15:32] <agateau> ears*
[15:32] <ScottK> OK
[15:32] <ScottK> I've been using the indicator since I switched to Karmic and have some conclusions for you.
[15:33] <ScottK> I'm sure you recall my concerns about being one click away from getting to an IRC highlight versus two.
[15:33] <agateau> yes
[15:34] <ScottK> What I've found is that if I'm at my computer and I get highlighted, I much prefer clicking on the Quassel icon, but if I've been away and I may have multiple highlights, I like the indicator.
[15:34] <ScottK> The indicator does a good job of giving me overall 'situational awareness' of who's been talking to me.
[15:34] <agateau> because it gives you more with one click I guess
[15:34] <ScottK> Yes, because it gives me who, what channel, and how long ago.
[15:35] <agateau> interesting
[15:35] <ScottK> If I'm sitting here, I don't care about that because I know which message I care about.  The one that just happened.
[15:36] <ScottK> So I was thinking about what it would take for me to completely switch to the indicator.
[15:36] <ScottK> I have a couple of ideas ....
[15:36] <agateau> auto-popup?
[15:36] <ScottK> What if it did something like on click went to the last event directly and on shift-click raised the menu?
[15:37] <ScottK> Maybe, but that could get a little distracting I think.
[15:37] <agateau> true
[15:37] <agateau> shift-click is like a handy shortcut, I would maybe do the opposite
[15:38] <ScottK> Except that (from my view), that's still a step back from just clicking on the icon.
[15:38] <agateau> a new user won't have a chance to know about the menu because he won't try shift-click
[15:38] <agateau> I see your point
[15:39] <ScottK> The second issue is the menu when I right click on the icon.
[15:39] <ScottK> That's how I normally connect my client to the core.
[15:39] <ScottK> It occurs to me that now that we have dbus menu, the indicator could support that too.
[15:40] <ScottK> Right click on the indicator opens the dbus menu for selected apps or something.
[15:40] <agateau> I think the plan for Lucid (at least on the GNOME side) is to be able to show some actions in the m-i message
[15:40] <agateau> we could imaging a "Connect to core" for Quassel
[15:40] <agateau> imagine*
[15:40] <ScottK> Sure.
[15:41] <agateau> but that's what was rejected before: launchers
[15:41] <ScottK> Connecting isn't launching
[15:41] <agateau> true, but we are getting close
[15:41] <Sput> wouldn't a new user expect to open a menu with right click?
[15:42] <agateau> Sput: on plasmoids, right-click is more usually associated with configuring the plasmoid itself
[15:42] <Sput> at least a new user coming from windows or KDE
[15:42] <ScottK> Which is why I was thinking the the indicator could be configured to open the dbus menu for selected apps it's 'replacing' in the systray
[15:42] <agateau> it's not intended for "normal" interaction
[15:42] <Sput> agateau: hmmm... Menu -> "Configure"? :)
[15:42] <agateau> ScottK: wow, interesting! need to think about that a bit
[15:42] <Sput> well, dunno. don't have much experience. but I'm used to left-click to execute some activation or default action, and right-click to get a context menu
[15:43] <Sput> for tray icons
[15:43] <ScottK> Sput: Agreed.
[15:43] <agateau> Sput: for tray icons, yes, but for things like K menu, battery applet... it's different
[15:43] <agateau> device notifier
[15:43] <ScottK> agateau: Certainly.  It just occurs to me that with dbus menu it doesn't always have to be the actual application's icon in the systray that triggers the menu.  It's more of a separate front end/back end.
[15:44] <agateau> ScottK: I agree
[15:44] <ScottK> agateau: So those are me thoughts.  I hope they are useful.
[15:44] <ScottK> me/my
[15:45] <agateau> They are, thanks for sharing
[15:45] <ScottK> No problem
[16:40] <nixternal> _Groo_: I am not rushing KOffice...since it is now in main, to upload it means stripping it of a lot of dependencies...not going to waste my time for that...more important to get the dependencies up to date and MIR'd than it is to package 2.1.1 right now
[16:41] <ScottK> nixternal: Don't forget to switch to boost1.40.  Koffice will shortly be the last boost.138 user in Main
[16:41] <nixternal> yup
[16:43] <nixternal> LTS is all about fixing stuff :)  I kind of like LTS
[16:43] <nixternal> ScottK: did you reboot the Mac last night by chance?
[16:43] <nixternal> I heard the sound
[16:43] <ScottK> nixternal: I did.
[16:44] <nixternal> hahaha
[16:44] <ScottK> There were security updates ....
[16:44] <nixternal> I was watching TV and heard it
[16:44] <_Groo_> nixternal: well ok, is there any ppa i could get it from? or should i do it myself?
[16:44] <nixternal> put it in a ppa if you need it I ugess
[16:44] <nixternal> wow, guess
[16:44] <mellhen> i read something about nepomuk search will be integrated in dolpin in kde4.4RC1. i cant find it in kubuntu 10.04A2. How to activate it?
[16:45] <_Groo_> mellhen: its there in beta 2 and rc1, just open dolphin and search in the menus, its like the normal search but wehn you typue stuff a drop down appears
[16:46] <ScottK> mellhen: We don't have it yet.  Still issues with getting the back end database packaged.
[16:46] <_Groo_> ScottK: you mean virtuoso or sesame2?
[16:46] <ScottK> _Groo_: Virtuoso
[16:46] <_Groo_> ScottK: ah but isnt virtuoso 5.0.12 in lucid now?
[16:47] <ScottK> _Groo_: IIRC not in Main yet.
[16:47] <mellhen>  
[16:48] <_Groo_> ScottK: yes but in universe :)
[16:48] <mellhen> ScottK: but it will make it into release?
[16:48] <ScottK> mellhen: Definitely.
[16:48] <ScottK> _Groo_: Do we need to build depend on it for it to work?
[16:49] <ScottK> mellhen: _Groo_ may have a better status on it than I do.
[16:49] <mellhen> ScottK: it should be easier to find. maybe a searchbar which is always visible.
[16:50] <_Groo_> ScottK: no, just install it, and relog into kde, it will start the anokadi server, also use akonadiconsole and config to check the input
[16:50] <ScottK> mellhen: There you go  I guess you can use it.
[16:50] <_Groo_> ScottK: its working very well, sincronizing my google contacts and calendar and othe stuff :)
[16:51] <mellhen> ScottK: is it allowed to ask about some minibugs here. i also published it at launchpad but feel itl get lost there,
[16:52] <ScottK> mellhen: To a limited exent.
[16:52] <_Groo_> btw i just built kcm_touchpad for lucid, and its working very well with 4.4 rc1 :)
[16:52] <_Groo_> its in my ppa
[16:54] <mellhen> ScottK: its about kdebluetooth. if your bluetooth divice is switched off while starting kubuntu. kdebluetooth will not start after you turns the device on. you have to manually do it (krunner: kbluetooth)
[16:54] <mellhen> _Groo_: so who is the guy who is able to change this behaviour?
[16:54] <ScottK> mellhen: I'd report that to bugs.kde.org.
[16:55] <ScottK> mellhen: For nepomuk it's just work we know we still have to do.
[16:55] <Tscheesy> Hi - writing a News about Alpha2. _ has HAL now completly gone and is replaced by udev-extra ?
[16:55] <mellhen> ScottK: are bugs reported on launpad send to bug.kde.org?
[16:55] <ScottK> mellhen: Not automatically.  Someone needs to do it.  The odds of it getting done go way up if you do it yourself.
[16:56] <ScottK> Tscheesy: Not in KDE.
[16:56] <Tscheesy> ah k.. still used for input-devices?
[16:57] <mellhen> ScottK: who decides if a bug goes to bugs.kde.org. is it possible to decide this as a usuall launchpad user?
[16:58] <ScottK> mellhen: You have to refile the bug.  There is no automatic export, so anyone can do it.
[16:58] <ScottK> Our bug triage team is very small, so the more help the better.
[16:58] <mellhen> ok
[16:58] <mellhen> ScottK: ok
[17:00] <mellhen> ScottK: i would like to help. but i dont know if iam advanced enough
[17:01] <ScottK> mellhen: I can already tell you are.
[17:01] <ScottK> mellhen: You can join #kubuntu-bugs
[17:01] <mellhen> ScottK: the triaged status means, that sb is working on this bug or that this bug is reported to kde?
[17:02] <ScottK> mellhen: Triaged means it has enough diagnostic information for a developer to solve it.
[17:02]  * ScottK gives JontheEchidna a gentle kick for not being in #kubuntu-bugs
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> now that the crash is fixed we can finally see what the default desktop looks like :P
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/Pc1i1o.html
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> (there's a new wallpaper coming for RC2 though)
[18:16] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: uh, really?
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/wallpapers/Ethais/
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 1073351
[18:21] <nixternal> that wallpaper reminds me of the wold compaq wallpapers for windows xp
[18:21] <nixternal> s/wold/old/
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> the one that came with my PC had a blueish background with a bunch of pills :x
[18:24] <nixternal> those square things, that is the Compaq Q, just without making it a Q
[18:30] <Sput> oh, so that's not the 4.5 wallpaper?
[18:31] <Sput> I was wondering, but I don't have any 4.4 boxen left to check :)
[18:31] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: ah, missed that one, thanks
[18:31] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: I was already hoping cubes would stay
[18:31]  * Sput didn't like Quadros
[18:31] <Sput> the new one is a masterpiece though
[18:31] <Tm_T> Sput: but it will motivate users to change wallpaper to something their own choice (;
[18:32] <Sput> poor pinheiro, quadros was his baby :/
[19:08] <verbalshadow_> yeah double logins are fixed :)
[19:09] <ulysses__> \o/
[19:10] <verbalshadow_> now i just need my white "scanlines"  with hardlock issue fixed :P
[20:13] <_Groo_> ppl im building the ktorrent 4 beta 1 packages, how do i disable the stupid test runs of cmake in the rules file? (/usr/bin/ctest --force-new-ctest-process)
[20:58] <freinhard> has anyone else seen a corrupted plasma tray/bar like this? http://imagebin.ca/view/qE4ciKS.html
[20:59] <ulysses__> I had this: http://noob.hu/2010/01/15/lucid3.png
[20:59] <ulysses__> Lucid alpha 2 in VirtualBox
[21:02] <neversfelde> freinhard: no, but I can confirm that the new widgets for systray like weather and pastebin are grayed out in Karmic
[21:02] <neversfelde> you have to add a new widget to configure it and it is grayed out again after a restart
[21:02] <neversfelde> no Lucid yet, so I cannot confirm it for 10.04
[21:03] <freinhard> if waiting for 4.4rc2 dixes the issue i'll just wait?
[21:07] <neversfelde> freinhard: looks like a custom design, does the problam also appear with standard oxygen?
[21:08] <freinhard> neversfelde: erm that black you see should be grey, and i deleted all plasma config files and that's how it looks like
[21:09] <neversfelde> freinhard: ok, than it is probably the panel geomatry bug mentioned in the release notes?
[21:09] <neversfelde> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LucidLynx/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[21:09] <neversfelde> s/geomatry/geometry
[21:11] <neversfelde> freinhard: looks like a different bug
[21:11] <freinhard> and it's already fixed
[21:14] <neversfelde> mhh yes
[21:19] <freinhard> well since intel started screwing their driver i'm never sure whether graphics issues are qt, kde or driver related
[21:39] <nixternal> yet another wtf cares moment on the list...$X does this better than $Y, but I won't provide you any information to either a) prove this statement or b) if statement is true I won't provide information that might lead to a possible solution
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> the reply-to-the-digest mail?
[21:42] <nixternal> yeah
[21:42] <nixternal> that statement is bullshit, because I run openSUSE, Fedora, Arch, and Kubuntu...and they are all the same speed, abuse teh same amount of memory, and crash in the same exact areas
[21:43] <jussi01> and?
[21:43]  * jussi01 deleted the mail tihout reading... was there a point?
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> The first email was understandable. The reply-to-digest followup was just somebody trying to bash Kubuntu.
[21:44] <nixternal> and not the first time that person has done that
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> first time somebody's misread top or the first time somebody's tried to bash Kubuntu? :P
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> (guessing neither)
[21:44] <nixternal> FUCK! can we get a social/tweeting/denting application that works already?
[21:45] <nixternal> I am starting to think the web is the only way to go
[21:45] <nixternal> everything I have tried this week bombs
[21:45] <Tm_T> sorry...
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> even KDE microblog plasma widget?
[21:45] <nixternal> twirssi, choqok, some air one, gwibber
[21:45] <nixternal> they all bomb
[21:45] <nixternal> doesn't that widget only work with twitter?
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> it got identica support in 4.1 or 4.2
[21:46] <nixternal> orly, I shall try it then
[21:46] <Tm_T> I use typically Kopete
[21:47] <neversfelde> choqok 0.6.6 and alpha2 works for me without problems
[21:48] <neversfelde> only identi.ca
[21:49] <nixternal> once choqok pukes once, it will continuously puke
[21:49] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: so, to have twitter and identica at the same time, I have to run 2 of these plasmoids?
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> dunno, I don't microblog
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> I have a hard enough time regular blogging :P
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> well, finding stuff to blog about/being motivated to
[21:50] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: it's not always about writing yourself (:
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> The irc /me command is my microblogging client :D
[21:52] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: you can use some ircbot for that too, yes
[21:53] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: if you really like, I can make some irssi alias to make all your /me posts to be posted to identi.ca too
[21:55]  * jussi01 smacks nixternal's hand :P
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> my thoughts on microblogging: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/4/23/ (minor language)
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> obviously it's a tool that can equally be used properly and abused
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> but I don't see the need for me to use it, personally
[21:58] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: I use it mostly to follow others
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> maybe I'll try that
[22:06] <nixternal> don't smack my hand
[22:06] <Tm_T> yeah, hug whole man instead
[22:06]  * Tm_T hugs nixternal 
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> So how to I follow people?
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> oh, nice subscribe buttons on the profile pages
[22:09] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: for example, go to http://identi.ca/tmt/ and click subscribe
[22:09] <Tm_T> bah, you got it already
[22:11] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: and FYI I'm totally lost with these
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> I'm http://identi.ca/jontheechidna
[22:18] <neversfelde> what is flag?
[22:19] <neversfelde> seems to be new
[22:26] <nixternal> lol