[00:13] <yo2boy> constantly refreshing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/ :P
[00:15] <jpds> yo2boy: Stop killing the servers.
[01:00] <yo2boy> ALPHA 2 RELEASED
[01:00] <yo2boy> :D
[01:01] <yo2boy> nvm
[01:01] <yo2boy> :|
[01:03] <fejes> lol
[01:03] <fejes> I just did the same thing
[01:19] <yo2boy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/alpha-2/
[01:19] <yo2boy> GO GO GO
[01:21]  * genii just does a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade instead
[01:21] <yofel> heh, the deskop cd's and the dvd's are the daily images from yesterday ^^
[01:43] <xguru> i'm out of the loop....  has Alpha 2 been released?  I thought i read some place that it was due out on the 7th?  If so is the topic just out of date?
[01:43] <ChogyDan> !schedule
[01:44] <yofel> xguru: the images are out http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/alpha-2/
[01:46] <yofel> ah, the release page was unlocked too
[01:46] <yofel> so I guess the topic would be out of date now ^^
[01:46] <xguru> i was just wondering i upgraded from karmic yesterday.  I did the following commands:  lsb_release -a, cat /etc/lsb-release and got nothing saying alpha 2.   I was just making sure.
[01:47] <xguru> althought i did get the typical "development branch"
[01:47] <yofel> oh, you won't fine any reference to 'alpha2' there
[01:49] <yo2boy> Topic's old
[01:49] <xguru> 2.6.32-10 the most current kernel?
[01:50] <yo2boy> 2.6.32.3
[01:50] <yofel> xguru: for ubuntu yes
[01:51] <xguru> well excellent!  everything seems to be working way better than the upgrade to karmic...
[01:51] <xguru> excellent work on everyone's part
[01:51] <yofel> ^^
[01:52] <xguru> yofel: any idea why apt-get is holding back the distribution update on python-qt3?
[01:53] <charlie-tca> alpha2 is released
[01:54] <yofel> charlie-tca: we already noticed ;)
[01:54] <yofel> xguru: aptitude tells me: python-qt3 depends on python-sip4 (<= 4.9.1)
[01:55] <yofel> lucid has python-sip4 4.9.3-0ubuntu1
[01:55] <yo2boy> d/l done
[01:55] <yo2boy> burning to usb
[01:58] <xguru> yofel: are you saying that python-sip4 is being used instead of python-qt3? Therefore I just ignore the python-qt3 package being held back?
[01:59] <yofel> xguru: ignore it (it depends on an older version of the python-sip4 package, the lucid version is too new)
[01:59] <xguru> oh ok....thanks for the clarification.
[02:02] <ChogyDan> anyone know how to play with compiling the kernel, without cruding up one's system?  I was going to do it in a VM, but then I realized it was too much to compile
[03:27] <SandGorgon> distrowatch reports alpha 2 released
[04:07] <DanaG> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705#c6
[04:09] <IdleOne> wontfix?
[04:13] <DanaG> yeah, that really irks me.
[04:13] <DanaG> So much for progress.
[04:14] <DanaG> Hey, some monitors report DPI incorrectly... so let's assume they're ALL wrong, and all 96 DPI!
[04:15] <DanaG> weird... radeon also won't suspend and resume properly.
[04:48] <iflema> !gimp
[07:51] <monkey__1> Hello all
[07:54] <hyperstream> ;)
[07:54] <hyperstream> monkey__1,  Alpha 2 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2
[08:00] <monkey__1> How does it run?
[08:04] <monkey__1> hyperstream, I think I will wait till beta
[08:05] <monkey__1> but thank you anyway
[08:06] <arand_> monkey__1: Install to an usb drive and run without affecting your HD ;) (just make sure to install grub to the usb instead)
[08:20] <yo2boy> woah..
[08:20] <ethana2> Is the disk verifier broken in alpha2?
[08:21] <ethana2> I've tried this alpha 2 disc in two machines, it never displays any kind of progress bar or anything
[08:21] <ethana2> It boots up, but..  I like to confirm the disk integrity before using it for installation
[08:23] <yo2boy> i'm just dissapointed that A2 doesn't include Wubi
[08:24] <arand> ethana2: yea, verifier seems broken on my daily I got just recently as well
[08:33] <stochastic> Hi all, just out of curiosity, has anyone in here attempted to disable pulseaudio in lucid yet and if so, what's the most elegant method of doing so (hopefully a reversible one)?
[09:49] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[09:56] <om26er> !test
[09:57] <arand> so it is.
[10:27] <vish> stochastic: why disable something which works ? ;)
[10:28] <BUGabundo_work> man, i cant believe some users http://www.qdb.us/301317
[10:28] <stochastic> vish, many pro-audio users of Ubuntu Studio have been asking the developers to include a disable feature for pulse audio.  I personally like pulse audio, but it's a feature that's been requested by our users enough times to consider it.
[10:28] <vish> ah , the Studio users.. :(
[10:29] <BUGabundo_work> stochastic: pa-suspend?
[10:29] <vish> stochastic: there was such a method  , but thought to be destructive ... let me find you the post [you might know it too, the user spammed several pulseaudio bugs with it]
[10:30] <stochastic> BUGabundo_work, pa-suspend is a temporary turnoff feature, we're looking for a method of disabling it system-wide (i.e. on the next reboot pulse does not start)
[10:31] <BUGabundo_work> aptitude purge pulseaudio*
[10:31]  * BUGabundo_work grin
[10:31] <vish> !logs
[10:32] <stochastic> BUGabundo_work, that doesn't solve things it just breaks things
[10:34] <BUGabundo_work> i know
[10:34] <BUGabundo_work> jk
[11:02] <stochastic> vish, any ground on that post?
[11:02] <vish> stochastic: i'm searching for it... just havent found it yet.. :(
[11:08] <vish> phew! got it :)
[11:09] <vish> stochastic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/438318/comments/56
[11:09] <vish> i had to track hggh and then check for this bug :D
[11:09] <stochastic> vish, wow, thanks.
[11:09] <vish> np.. ;)
[11:11] <vish> that user nearly got banned.. he commented those instructions on one too many bugs ;)
[11:13] <vish> oh , he had a ppa to remove PA too ! , seems it was removed  > https://launchpad.net/~pstone78/+archive/ppa
[11:17] <floating_> installed command-line install from alternate cd, install went all fine, but when it was time to reboot to the system, i'm stuck at the screen which saysä fsck from util-linux-ng 2.16 /dev/sda8 clean, 43106/917504 files, 251219/366828 blocks
[11:18] <floating_> alpha2
[11:22] <floating_> should i try reboot with altsysrqb for starters ?
[11:24] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[11:25] <Umeaboy> Anyone here who knows why GRUB 2 is still a beta-version?
[11:25] <floating_> rebooting leaves it stuck there aswell
[11:26] <Umeaboy> I can't load Winblows 7 or Mandriva 2010.0 with it.
[11:26] <Umeaboy> And I'm fully updated.
[12:34] <floating_> i tried 2 tricks to get past the hang at fsck. rw /sbin/init --debug <- appending this to kernel line in grub. I got debug messages but it hang there too. None of the debug messages seemed like errors. 2nd thing I tried was to boot to live cd and run sudo fsck -y /dev/sda8 , it said it recovered the fsck or so, but when I reboot, I still get the fsck hang. Now though I'm getting additional info there: "/dev/sda8 superblock last mount time is in the
[12:38] <arand> floating_: did the fsck -y run throught the fsck properly? otherwise try to force the check -f
[12:39] <floating_> i didnt write down what it said, but it said 2 or 3 lines in a second and that was that. recovering, done and clean or something. fsck was saying "clean" in the boot to begin with though
[12:40] <floating_> so I guess that -y tries to fix fsck, which was already fixed, but still hangs
[12:40] <floating_> or?
[12:41] <floating_> hmm, should I run it with that -f ?
[12:42] <arand> floating_: if it was already marked as clean it may be that it wasn't run at all when you just used -y
[12:44] <floating_> yeah I think it wasn't. if the purpose was to run it.. ok. btw i wonder what that "probably due to bad system clock" wants to tell me
[12:44] <floating_> because now i dualbooted to windows xp, and i see that the xp clock shows 2h earlier than the timezone set
[12:45] <floating_> is this a clock at bios ?
[12:46] <floating_> aa maybe it is not relevant for this problem
[12:47] <arand> floating_: that whole issue was common in Karmic alphas as well, it was some kind of mismatch in system/bios/zone -time
[12:48] <floating_> ill try fsck -fy from the live cd
[12:49] <arand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/e2fsprogs/+bug/268808
[12:52] <floating_> fsck -fy modified it a little. 0,1% non-contagious, but after the reboot, still hangs at the fsck
[12:54] <floating_> it though gives this superblock ast write time is in the future. Is it now hanging there for this reason ?
[13:08] <arand> floating_: it seems so, can you run fsck -fy directly from here?
[13:44] <drizzt_> i've lost my keyboard layout applet after today's updates, why?
[14:00] <geser> does gvim has in title "GVIM (as superuser)" for others too?
[14:12] <_stink_> i'm new to testing +1.  when i look at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/lucid_probs.html, what does "produces uninstallable binaries" mean?
[14:24] <bjsnider> _stink_, it means that those packages cannot be installed
[14:25] <_stink_> bjsnider: ah, gotcha.  thanks.
[14:26] <bjsnider> and it doesn't matter why. don't even worry about it. you can't install them, so you can't test them.
[14:27] <_stink_> i will stay away from them. :)
[14:37] <drizzt_> i've lost my keyboard layout applet after today's updates, why?
[15:09] <afv> hi, does anyone know where the seahorse config/keys are saved?
[15:09] <afv> i need to restore them from a backup..
[15:09] <afv> (home backup)
[15:09] <maco> gpg keys in .gnupg/ and ssh keys in .ssh/
[15:09] <afv> oh, thanks maco!
[15:10] <maco> dunno where password keyring stuff is saved though
[15:10] <BluesKaj> hiya folks
[15:14] <pasjr> I lost my sd reader with alpha 2 any one know how to restore it
[16:00] <mellhen> is this developement area for kubuntu too?
[16:00] <mellhen> i mean this irc-channel
[16:03] <yofel_> mellhen: kubuntu lucid support and discussion
[16:04] <yofel_> develpment is in #kubuntu-devel
[16:04] <yofel_> *development
[16:43] <mellhen> yofel: thanks
[17:25] <lokad> hi
[17:25] <lokad> i experience random x lockups
[17:26] <lokad> dmesg gives hundreds of lines telling me "[drm:i915_gem_execbuffer] *ERROR* Execbuf while wedged"
[17:26] <lokad> this is with the newest packages
[17:29] <CAiRO> hi
[17:29] <CAiRO> the release notes of the 10.04 alpha2 say that it is possible to install all 3 nvidia drivers in parallel, but what is the difference between them actually?
[17:31] <yofel> CAiRO: afaik mostly the different hardware they support
[17:33] <yofel> lokad: no expert on grapics drivers, but afaik you should file a bug against the kernel in for this
[17:33] <CAiRO> yofel: hmm, but is it important then to be able to install them in parallel?
[17:33] <yofel> Sarvatt: there?
[17:34] <lokad> I have found a bug report that has the same message in the error logs but says "fix released" - i commented on it so let's see what happens
[17:35] <Sarvatt> lokad: this is with stock lucid? or are you using xorg-edgers?
[17:35] <lokad> stock lucid
[17:36] <lokad> I had the x-edgers repo active though
[17:36] <yofel> CAiRO: not sure tbh, but sometimes an older driver might work better than a newer one on certain hardware, and if you want to test it now you at least don't have to remove the already installed driver
[17:37] <Sarvatt> what does dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg-video-intel say the version is?
[17:37] <lokad> 2.9.1-1ubuntu1
[17:38] <Sarvatt> you're sure you've had the error since switching away from edgers?
[17:38] <Sarvatt> i havent seen anyone (me included) with that problem using 2.9.1
[17:38] <lokad> I have it now with this version :) - x-edgers was active for another reason but it did not work so I disable it
[17:39] <hondu> ssd
[17:39] <hondu> sorry
[17:40] <lokad> i will reinstall this package and retry
[17:41] <lokad> Was there a xedgers package of the same version?
[17:41] <Sarvatt> I don't have any info to give you on it if you get it with 2.9.1, you're the first person i've heard of getting it but there are alot of us having the problem with 2.10
[17:42] <Sarvatt> it's 2.10 there
[17:43] <Sarvatt> does it mention batchbuffer I/O error just before the execbuff while wedged spam starts?
[17:44] <lokad> no ... drm_hangcheck_elapsed
[17:44] <lokad> GPU hung
[17:45] <CosmiChaos> hey i sucesfully upgrade to grub2 (grub-pc) and i have plymouth installed.... how to get the boot animation like all fresh installations of alpha 2???
[17:45] <CosmiChaos> how to activate splash again?
[17:45] <BUGabundo_work> how is NVidia drivers?
[17:45] <BUGabundo_work> i stilll dont have 3D :(
[17:46] <CosmiChaos> activate plymouth from upgrad ubuntu lucid
[17:46] <Sarvatt> lokad: do you have a /var/log/Xorg.0.log around from a crash? do you see (WW) intel(0): i830_uxa_prepare_access: gtt bo map failed: Input/output error in it if so?
[17:47] <Sarvatt> nvidia drivers are working perfect here for me BUGabundo_work
[17:47] <lokad> No. I Get: [    2.303007] (EE) intel(0): Failed to submit batch buffer, expect rendering corruption or even a frozen display: Input/output error.
[17:48] <lokad> But this is from a restart of Xorg after the first freeze
[17:48] <BUGabundo_work> Sarvatt: i'll ping u back after dinner
[17:50] <pasjr> why dose 10.04 no longer see my computer as a laptop?  my power settings are for desktop only
[17:50] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo_work: alrighty, have you been holding off upgrading? I did see a bug where people still trying to use jockey were ending up blacklisting nvidia-current in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-local.conf because they deactivated it there even though jockey support isnt working yet
[17:52] <CosmiChaos> does nobody now how to activate plymouth from upgrade? :(
[17:53] <Sarvatt> I think you need KMS to even see anything with plymouth right now?
[17:53] <lokad> Sarvatt: I have found the culprit, I indeed still use x-edgers packages, they did not downgrade. But I don't know why I got the wrong version on the command line. Interactive aptitude gives me the right version
[17:53] <CosmiChaos> what does that mean?
[17:53] <Sarvatt> meaning only intel and ati will see the new splash
[17:53] <Sarvatt> and nouveau if you have that installed
[17:53] <CosmiChaos> arghs
[17:54] <Sarvatt> ah good to hear lokad!
[17:54] <lokad> It is 2.10.0+git20100114.96f45c66-0ubunut0sarvatt
[17:54] <lokad> so take this as an additional bug report *g*
[17:54] <CosmiChaos> *"!@%&!=....
[17:54] <LrdMtrod> Can I roll back an update-manager -d ?
[17:55] <lokad> So thanks for your help, Sarvatt - am now downgrading ...
[17:55] <Sarvatt> lokad: yeah theres problems with 2.10, they are well known and they still released 2.10 anyway with them :( http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25475
[17:55] <CosmiChaos> first the blowed gdm-themes, then they blowed usplash and now, on most users hardware nothing works xD
[17:55] <pasjr> what is KMS?
[17:55] <CosmiChaos> even the xorg-driver-nv  does not allow to run vga=791 :)
[17:55] <LrdMtrod> pasjr: virtualization
[17:56] <lokad> Hum, this is no good policy :(
[17:56] <pasjr> ok thank you
[17:56] <CosmiChaos> you only get a console output at all if you completely remove vga= tag
[17:56] <lokad> pasjr, not virt but Kernel Mode Switching
[17:56] <pasjr> ok, never heard of it, now I can learn something new
[17:57] <CosmiChaos> its relly frustrating, but i have to say grub2 really boots a lot faster at the beginning
[17:57] <lokad> LrdMtrod meant kvm
[17:57] <CosmiChaos> no more hard drive delays
[17:57] <vish> Sarvatt: hi... in ATI , X crashes when i try a guest session or try switching to different user :(
[17:57] <Sarvatt> i think thats happening globally for everyone right now vish
[17:57] <LrdMtrod> pasjr: yeah, I have a hard time keeping those acronyms apart
[17:57] <pasjr> I tweaked grub2, shaved 2.5secs off, but scary doing it
[17:58] <CosmiChaos> pasjr, how do you?
[17:58] <vish> Sarvatt: ah... thanks :)
[17:58] <vish> btw > Bug 506510
[17:58] <Sarvatt> looks like GDM to me but am probably wrong
[17:58] <pasjr> first is easy change timeout from 10 to 0
[17:58] <CosmiChaos> can i turn the boot-log console output something like quiete quite to not see it all? any ideas?
[17:59] <pasjr> restset your swap to 10, conncurent from none to shellrace
[17:59] <CosmiChaos> pasjr, this is not a really tweak as you can easily adjust it via gui and should be default ;)
[17:59] <pasjr> yes you can disable splash
[17:59] <CosmiChaos> pasjr, i have no splash, i want to disable the annoying console outputs udev warnings bla bla
[18:00] <pasjr> then type in quite
[18:00] <BUGabundo_work> Sarvatt: no.i forced all upgrades after last week breakag
[18:00] <CosmiChaos> that is already there in grub.cfg
[18:00] <CosmiChaos> no effect
[18:00] <CosmiChaos> linux	/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-10-generic root=UUID=3da2d438-9fda-4f58-a93f-24be243ac74e ro   quiet
[18:00] <pasjr> not sure then you have something set else where
[18:01] <Sarvatt> i'm pretty sure plymouth text based splash is planned and just not implemented yet in lucid...
[18:01] <pasjr>  add splash back to that line then sudo update-grub
[18:01] <Sarvatt> its only just barely working with KMS, no cryptsetup prompts or fsck feedback
[18:01] <CosmiChaos> narf and i want to have my gdm-theme Aurora Black back, this Metacity-a-like is really not my favour
[18:03] <CosmiChaos> they really heavy dropped dropped features that now need to be reimplemented
[18:03] <pasjr> i wish my fan control would work
[18:03] <CosmiChaos> try your bios
[18:04] <pasjr> nogo in bios insyde bio sucks
[18:04] <CosmiChaos> you can easily noise and temperature tweak your cpu-fan from inside the bios, by perfectly setting up temperate scale and stepsize
[18:05] <CosmiChaos> usually fancontrol is set to Full or Auto
[18:05] <pasjr> not on insyde, not on my board no access allowed
[18:05] <CosmiChaos> you dont have access to your bios?
[18:06] <pasjr> not complete most of the settings I want are not allowed, only fix I found is to replace bios, that is to scary for me
[18:07] <CosmiChaos> who restricts you to use the features of your motherboards bios?? does somebody set the password ? :)
[18:07] <CosmiChaos> see even the worst featurerich bios got fancontrol ;)
[18:08] <pasjr> Toshiba and Insyde Bios blocks me.  No menu options to change those settings
[18:08] <CosmiChaos> is it a notebook?
[18:09] <pasjr> yes Satellite A505D by Toshiba
[18:09] <pasjr> none of the linux tools for Toshiba work
[18:09] <CosmiChaos> and it has no bios fan control? ridicolous, you very badly spend your money :D
[18:09] <CosmiChaos> does it run 100% all the time?
[18:11] <pasjr> it only cost me $500, it has AMD Turion X2 dual core 64 bit runs at 2.30GHz, 4Gib of ram, 500Gib hard drive and 1080i hd display
[18:11] <CosmiChaos> did you tried Toshiba laptop utilities?
[18:11] <pasjr> no it kicks in around 85deg C
[18:11] <pasjr> yes nothing for Tosh in the linux or win world works
[18:12] <CosmiChaos> so yyes you spend your money worse, on a nice sounding thingy that burns away within the first 6 month, of course you did ;)
[18:12] <pasjr> Toshiba told me to contact Insyde, Insyde told me the info I want is Classified.
[18:12] <CosmiChaos> xD
[18:12] <lokad> have fun guys
[18:13] <CosmiChaos> well it is not classified , it is closed source :)
[18:14] <CosmiChaos> seems like a hard job, you want to force linux higher fan speeds, than the bios actually forces to.... ;)
[18:14] <CosmiChaos> i have no idea
[18:15] <CosmiChaos> the classified information maybe, that the device runs dead  on point to the end day of warranty ;)
[18:26] <ripps> Okay, whenver I tried to mount my external ntfs harddrive, I now get a popup saying "Unable to mount Disk_Name, Not authorized"
[18:35] <drs305> Late to the party perhaps.  I just loaded A2 onto a real partition - previously on a VM. Edited fstab for the first time and it appears the change takes effect as soon as I hit enter on a new entry.
[18:35] <drs305> This a new 'feature'?
[18:36] <drs305> e.g. I added a new mount, when I hit enter to add the line in fstab I got a message immediately saying the device was already mounted.
[18:54] <douglasawh-work> while I'm doing this on Lucid, I think this would apply to any release/distro - I am trying to tell the difference between grub1 and grub2 when neither are in Synaptic. As far as I can tell, the only way to do it is that grub1 says something about staging 1.5 and grub2 does not. Is there a more clear way, like grub --version (which will not run since technically neither is installed)
[18:59] <drs305> grub-install -v  is the normal way to check. From the grub command line during boot, if it's grub 2 "ls" will produce results, g1 won't.
[18:59] <drs305> douglasawh-work: Is that what you were asking?
[19:17] <Sarvatt> vish: changing /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default to call /sbin/initctl instead of just initctl fixed guest sessions for me
[19:18]  * vish tries
[19:19] <Sarvatt> /var/log/gdm/:0-slave.log was saying /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: 16: initctl: not found before, i think it was due to the paths being exported around getting changed in the newer gdm releases in the past few days
[19:27] <vish> hmm , didnt work ,
[19:27]  * vish tries again...
[19:28] <vish> Sarvatt: if i X crashes  , and i'm at tty how do i restart it?
[19:28] <vish> s/i//
[19:28] <Sarvatt> sudo service gdm stop then start it again?
[19:29] <Sarvatt> thats what i did the first time it dropped me to a vt trying to start the guest session
[19:38] <vish> Sarvatt: :(  ... nope , i still get X crashing
[19:39] <vish> /sbin/initctl -q emit desktop-session-start DISPLAY_MANAGER=gdm
[19:39] <vish> ^ didnt work for me
[20:43] <gnomefreak> can someone please open the file manager and click Help>About and tell me the name of it
[20:46] <vish> oh , great evolution segfaults :/
[20:48] <gnomefreak> nevermind for the above i found what i did
[20:49] <duffydack> 1 bug in live installer, I cant add a partition to free space Ive made.  my last partition /dump for odds and ends i shrunk to free up 10gig unallocated space, but cant manually add a / partition there for 10.04
[20:49] <duffydack> choosing "use largest free space" added a / and swap however..
[20:50] <gnomefreak> duffydack: someone yesterday had said he/she had issues too. the alternative installer was said to work
[20:51] <gnomefreak> be back fixing something i hope
[20:51] <LordMetroid> I updated to alpha2 from 9.10 however I can not get into my system
[20:52] <undecim> LordMetroid: How far can you get?
[20:52] <LordMetroid> I did manage to get into my system once for an unkown reason, that time prompted me to run in low- srceen resolution mode(though I saw no difference from the resolution I had in 9.10)
[20:52] <LordMetroid> I get the Ubuntu logo
[20:52] <LordMetroid> Then I get a marker that does't flash
[20:53] <LordMetroid> I once got a square progress bar in red and gray
[20:53] <LordMetroid> And now I have the message "could not write bytes: Broken pipe"
[20:53] <maxb> Anyone else running Lucid on Acer Aspire One?
[20:53] <LordMetroid> the tty at F6 I see cryptswap starting
[20:54] <LordMetroid> If I press the power button, the system goes to level 0 like normal but my keyboard stops working
[20:55] <LordMetroid> Sometimes something about vboxdrv has also been flashing by
[20:55] <LordMetroid> (and no I am not running alpha2 on a vbox)
[21:19] <Sarvatt> I am maxb
[21:19] <Sarvatt> AOA150
[21:20] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: ping
[21:20] <Sarvatt> heyo! still not working?
[21:20] <BUGabundo> let me try
[21:21] <BUGabundo> what packages do I need?
[21:21] <Sarvatt> nvidia-current should be it if the rest is stock lucid
[21:24] <BUGabundo> nvidia-current:  Installed: 190.53-0ubuntu4
[21:25] <gnomefreak> who was it that had the issue with the partition editor?
[21:25]  * gnomefreak found bugs on it :)
[21:26] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: look under known bugs for yours http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2 im fairly sure you are talking about one of the few
[21:27] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: but how come everyone says Nvidia 3D is working
[21:27] <maxb> Sarvatt: hi. I've been experiencing system lockups recently, since 2.6.32-10 ish - have you seen anything of the sort?
[21:27] <BUGabundo> but the one person who tried X in advace got stuck ?
[21:27] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: mine is :)
[21:27] <Sarvatt> only with intel 2.10 maqxb
[21:27] <gnomefreak> maxb: does reboot fix it?
[21:28] <Sarvatt> nvidia-current                                  190.53-0ubuntu4
[21:28] <Sarvatt> 3D is working fine BUGabundo, thats weird
[21:28] <maxb> gnomefreak: "fix"? The only thing you can do with a locked up system is to reboot it, so I don't understand your question
[21:28] <gnomefreak> i am not sure if i am using free drivers or normal ;)
[21:29] <Sarvatt> maxb: are you using xorg-edgers?
[21:29] <Sarvatt> if so purge the heck out of it :)
[21:29] <maxb> No, just plain old lucid
[21:29] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: "free" doesn't do 3D
[21:29] <maxb> I *have* been running it with 2.6.31's i915 module though
[21:29] <gnomefreak> maxb: does it lock up after you reboot system. example boot->freeze->hard restart->no more lock ups
[21:29] <Sarvatt> oh I have no problems at all outside of flickering after resume if I dont use i915.powersave=0
[21:30] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: give me a minute
[21:30] <maxb> Sarvatt: The flickering usually escalates to a hang after a while for me
[21:30] <Sarvatt> yup
[21:30] <maxb> I'll try the boot option, though
[21:30] <Sarvatt> always hangs here
[21:30] <Sarvatt> lucky to last 30 minutes after resume without powersave turned off
[21:31] <maxb> The other thing which confuses me is that recently the screen resolution set by KMS for the text console has changed
[21:32] <Sarvatt> do you have an AOA model too?
[21:32] <undecim> I can't get KDE compositing or Wireless working since upgrading.
[21:33] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: I  know you've been asked a million times already probably but can you paste your Xorg.0.log?
[21:33] <gnomefreak> some KMS bugs can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2
[21:34] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: IIRC nvidia+Xorg 7.5 do not play well together but i installed (cant recall name) on distupgrade and it fixed it
[21:35] <BUGabundo> hi charlie-tca
[21:35] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[21:35] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: $ pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/357259/
[21:35] <maxb> Sarvatt: Yes, mine's AOA150 too
[21:35] <charlie-tca> How are things today?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I'm still fighting nvidia :(
[21:36] <gnomefreak> yay might have grub-pc fix :)
[21:36] <BUGabundo> I may need to reboot
[21:36] <BUGabundo> but can only do it in about 1h
[21:36] <bjsnider> says you'r eloading the nvidia glx module, so 3d should work
[21:37] <BUGabundo> finishing a big download
[21:37] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:37] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: "Desktop effects could not be enabled"
[21:37] <Sarvatt> hmmm that looks fine BUGabundo.. do you have any LIBGL things set in your environment?
[21:37] <BUGabundo> how do I check?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> douglasawh-work: ping
[21:39] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: you were the guy behind some of the work of grub2 weren't you ?
[21:39] <bjsnider> no i was not
[21:40] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: export?
[21:40] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, what does glxinfo get you?
[21:40] <BUGabundo> $ glxinfo | pastebinit
[21:41] <BUGabundo> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[21:41] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/357264/
[21:41] <Sarvatt> looking for like LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 or something
[21:41] <Sarvatt> try LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=0 glxinfo
[21:41] <BUGabundo> $ export | grep LIBGL
[21:42] <BUGabundo> $  LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=0 glxinfo | pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/357265/
[21:43] <bjsnider> you've got the wrong opengl version. it should say 3.2
[21:43] <bjsnider> not 2.1.2
[21:44] <bjsnider> 3.2.0 NVIDIA 190.53
[21:44] <Sarvatt> I have to run and make dinner, but I know googling for Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig will find your fix BUGabundo
[21:45] <BUGabundo> libglu1-mesa:  Installed: 7.8.0~git20091206.df02bc42-0ubuntu0sarvatt
[21:45] <Sarvatt> ohh you're using edgers stuff
[21:45] <BUGabundo> no
[21:45] <BUGabundo> just archive
[21:45] <Sarvatt> thats an edgers package
[21:45] <BUGabundo> I've removed PPA last week
[21:45] <BUGabundo> I know it is
[21:45] <Sarvatt> ah its just a metapackage, can remove it
[21:45] <BUGabundo> but it should have been replaced by archive higer
[21:45] <gnomefreak> you are using edgers package. try downgrading to our package
[21:45] <Sarvatt> nah archives lower, 7.7
[21:46] <BUGabundo>  *** 7.8.0~git20091206.df02bc42-0ubuntu0sarvatt 0
[21:46] <BUGabundo>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[21:46] <BUGabundo>      7.7-0ubuntu5 0
[21:46] <BUGabundo>         500 http://neacm.fe.up.pt lucid/main Packages
[21:46] <Sarvatt> dpkg -l | grep sarvatt and for every package it lists just add /lucid, like sudo apt-get install libglu1-mesa/lucid
[21:46] <Sarvatt> or tormod
[21:46] <BUGabundo> can't remove it ... brings too many
[21:47] <maxb> Is i915.powersave=0 supposed to just stop the system from suspending at all?
[21:47] <Sarvatt> nope it fixes the flickering after resume here
[21:47] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, use force version
[21:47] <maxb> Hmm, all my gui power management stuff is broken
[21:48] <Sarvatt> maxb: dmesg | grep inteldrmfb return anything?
[21:48] <maxb> reboot in progress
[21:48] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get install package1/lucid package2/lucid etc BUGabundo to downgrade to lucid packages for anything that dpkg -l | grep sarvatt returns
[21:48] <BUGabundo> doing so now
[21:49] <Sarvatt> want to grep for tormod too, he has some packages up there
[21:50] <BUGabundo> none here
[21:50] <Sarvatt> was mesa-utils one of the packages?
[21:50]  * maxb is amused to see gdm reporting language as "Unspecified [ANSI_X3.4-1698]"
[21:50] <BUGabundo> ii  mesa-utils                            7.8.0~git20091206.df02bc42-0ubuntu0sarvatt        Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities
[21:50] <Sarvatt> yeah thats the problem
[21:50] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: go get dinner
[21:51] <Sarvatt> compiz checks glxinfo before it starts up
[21:51] <BUGabundo> I'll be here all night
[21:51] <Sarvatt> that'll fix it, no worries :D
[21:52] <Sarvatt> maxb: you got me stumped but something is totally borked in your setup, it's working fine here on the same machine
[21:52] <Sarvatt> you shouldnt be getting the execbuff while wedged errors unless you have intel 2.10 installed though
[21:52] <BUGabundo> going for a reboot
[21:52] <BUGabundo> let see if it get ok
[21:53] <BUGabundo> do I still need to run jockey to install the blob?
[21:53] <Sarvatt> nope
[21:53] <Sarvatt> jockey doesnt work for it yet
[21:53] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:53]  * gnomefreak thought jockey was still broken
[21:53] <maxb> Sarvatt: I've not see that error message in particular - it's entirely possible I simply broke something by trying to use 2.6.31's i915 module with 2.6.32
[21:53] <BUGabundo> brb
[21:53] <maxb> Right now the confusing thing is that my system won't suspend at all
[21:53] <Sarvatt> oh maxb I'm sorry, powersave wasnt a module parameter in 2.6.31
[21:54] <Bookman> How do I cancel Show Join/Part Messages globally in XChat?
[21:54] <Sarvatt> you arent using i915 right now probably which would explain suspend not working :D
[21:54] <maxb> Sarvatt: I've reverted to stick lucid i915
[21:54] <maxb> *stock
[21:54] <maxb> I'm just going to give it up as a broken for now and go try karmic's entire kernel
[21:55] <Sarvatt> modinfo i915 show powersave as a parameter?
[21:55] <maxb> yes
[21:56] <Sarvatt> how did you switch it? did you update the initramfs after?
[21:56] <maxb> I did it in the grub command line?
[21:58] <maxb> Backing that out now to see if my PM was broken by that or recent updates
[22:01] <maxb> Hmm, yeah, it's all broken
[22:02] <maxb> You might want to avoid the recent gnome-power-manager update (I assume) for a bit
[22:02] <BUGabundo> FYI bjsnider gnomefreak Sarvatt: 100% working
[22:02] <bjsnider> cool
[22:02] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: cool
[22:02] <bjsnider> now you can sit back and watch the good things happen
[22:02] <BUGabundo> ahah
[22:02] <BUGabundo> or the next thing explode
[22:03] <BUGabundo> cause I saw a trace in the TTy
[22:03] <BUGabundo> let me look at boot logs
[22:03] <BUGabundo> is the splash instalble too ?
[22:03] <maxb> What on earth is the system doing between when you type your password at a login prompt, and when it prints "Last login: ...." ?
[22:03]  * gnomefreak doesnt have working TTY
[22:04] <gnomefreak> verifing?
[22:05] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit /var/log/kern.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/357273/
[22:05] <Sarvatt> no splash without KMS right now as far as I know BUGabundo
[22:05] <BUGabundo> Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 5.10, id: 0x258eb1, caps: 0xa04713/0x0
[22:05] <BUGabundo> Jan 15 21:58:02 BluBUG kernel: [    8.766513] input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input9
[22:05] <BUGabundo> Jan 15 21:58:02 BluBUG kernel: [    9.590459] irq 17: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
[22:05] <BUGabundo> Jan 15 21:58:02 BluBUG kernel: [    9.590627] Pid: 0, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.32-10-generic #14-Ubuntu
[22:05] <BUGabundo> Jan 15 21:58:02 BluBUG kernel: [    9.590629] Call Trace:
[22:05] <BUGabundo> Jan 15 21:58:02 BluBUG kernel: [    9.590631]  <IRQ>  [<ffffffff810c4cfb>] __report_bad_irq+0x2b/0xa0
[22:06] <BUGabundo> anyone makes sense of that log ?
[22:07] <bjsnider> kernel devs could
[22:08] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: pastebin ;)
[22:08] <gnomefreak> be back
[22:08] <bjsnider> since they wrote those meaningless messages
[22:10] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: its there! on top :p
[22:11] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: consider kernel devs pinged
[22:17] <Sarvatt> wow, 11 second resume BUGabundo?
[22:17] <Sarvatt> suspend is 1.412 and resume is 1.109 here
[22:18] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:18] <Sarvatt> theres probably an i8042 quirk your machine needs to be safe over suspend/resume, ASUS is really bad about that last time i looked
[22:18] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:18] <BUGabundo> its an asustek OEM
[22:19] <BUGabundo> it used to be very nice in karmic and II
[22:19] <BUGabundo> but hibernate is broken in +1
[22:21] <bjsnider> isn't it always?
[22:21] <Sarvatt> have you tried one of the newer daily .33 kernels?
[22:22] <Sarvatt> karmic really surprised me there and suspend/resume worked 100%
[22:22] <Sarvatt> (on all my machines)
[22:22] <bjsnider> even the nvidia ones?
[22:23] <Sarvatt> yeah! somehow
[22:23] <bjsnider> suspend/resume doesn't cause *any* problems?
[22:23] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I'm running .32
[22:24] <BUGabundo> Linux BluBUG 2.6.32-10-generic #14-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jan 7 17:38:08 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:24] <Sarvatt> i dont use karmic anymore but it was perfect for about 2 weeks there between the last RC's and when lucid's kernel got uploaded :D
[22:24] <BUGabundo> should I go .33 and break more stuff?
[22:24] <douglasawh-work> BUGabundo: just got back to the desk
[22:24] <Sarvatt> oh nevermind BUGabundo, nvidia needs patching for .33
[22:25] <BUGabundo> douglasawh-work: hi. still trying to find who did work in grub2 :\
[22:25] <douglasawh-work> well, not necessarily that person, but someone that knows enough to talk me through the implementation details and why grub2 won't work with full disk LVM encryption
[22:26] <BUGabundo> douglasawh-work: you know what we say: don't ask to ask, just ask
[22:28] <douglasawh-work> well, I asked. :) I haven't been able to go down all my leads quite yet though, so let me poke at this a little...I've been working on another issue
[22:29] <BUGabundo> brb
[22:29] <BUGabundo> restarting pidgin
[22:48]  * BUGabundo mumbles: stupid conflicting compiz keys
[22:56] <undecim1> alright, I've gotten wireless working, but I can't get anywhere with compositing in KDE
[23:02] <BUGabundo> is it possible to make notify-osd work over an app in full screen?
[23:03] <bjsnider> there are no config options
[23:03] <bjsnider> i'm not sure if the most urgent class of alerts display even over fullscreen windows