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| desrt | pitti: HI :D | 04:35 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 07:30 |
| baptistemm | hello, good morning | 08:12 |
| didrocks | good morning baptistemm | 08:15 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 09:19 |
| baptistemm | hello hello seb128 | 09:19 |
| baptistemm | salut didrocks, sorry for the lag | 09:19 |
| mvo | hey seb128 | 09:19 |
| seb128 | hey baptistemm mvo | 09:20 |
| Tm_T | hi kids | 09:20 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning seb128 | 09:21 |
| chrisccoulson | and baptistemm, mvo and Tm_T | 09:21 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 09:21 |
| mvo | hey chrisccoulson! | 09:22 |
| didrocks | hey seb128, did you have a good way back yesterday night ? | 09:23 |
| didrocks | morning mvo | 09:23 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 09:23 |
| didrocks | how are you chrisccoulson? :) | 09:23 |
| seb128 | didrocks, excellent | 09:23 |
| seb128 | I managed to do the gnome-utils and gnome-applets updates in the train | 09:23 |
| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks - i'm good thanks | 09:24 |
| seb128 | and 95% of the gnome-panel obe | 09:24 |
| seb128 | one | 09:24 |
| didrocks | seb128: great! | 09:24 |
| seb128 | didrocks, did pitti leave? | 09:24 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128. i'll work on g-p-m and g-s-d this afternoon :) i'll probably need to update libgnomekbd and libxklavier for the g-s-d update as well | 09:24 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I was going to do the libxklavier soname transition today | 09:25 |
| seb128 | but I can leave it for you if you want | 09:25 |
| didrocks | seb128: yes, at 8am. I just drop it at La Défense to ensure he will find and take the right metro ;) | 09:27 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i don't mind really. feel free if you want to do it, but i'll do it when i get home if not | 09:27 |
| mvo | hey didrocks! | 09:27 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I will do the soname change | 09:27 |
| seb128 | so I can new it etc during the day | 09:27 |
| seb128 | you are welcome to do gpm and gsd though | 09:27 |
| seb128 | I don't intend to work on these | 09:27 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - thanks | 09:27 |
| seb128 | thank you! | 09:27 |
| seb128 | where is vuntz | 09:28 |
| seb128 | new gnome-panel crashes when using launchers | 09:28 |
| baptistemm | I wonder if he didn't already fixed that in git | 09:28 |
| seb128 | baptistemm, there is no git commit since the tarball | 09:29 |
| seb128 | http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-panel/log | 09:29 |
| baptistemm | I see a new minor release 2.29.5.1 | 09:29 |
| seb128 | I'm using this one | 09:29 |
| baptistemm | Fix potential crash when creating a launcher with drag and drop | 09:29 |
| baptistemm | ah okay | 09:30 |
| seb128 | do you take me for a beginner? ;-) | 09:30 |
| baptistemm | no no | 09:30 |
| baptistemm | of course not | 09:30 |
| baptistemm | I said that because vuntz and teuf debugged such issues yesterday on #gnomefr | 09:30 |
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| geser | seb128: do you (as in the desktop team) want regressions from karmic to lucid also filed as LP bugs or is the problem being filed in gnome bugzilla enough? | 10:06 |
| seb128 | geser, depends what you call regression and if upstream is fixing it or if we should work on it | 10:07 |
| geser | I upgraded my desktop from karmic to lucid yesterday, and my wallpaper doesn't span my both monitors anymore and I couldn't find a setting to let it do it again | 10:08 |
| geser | see also https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=603551 and the last comments in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147808 | 10:08 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 603551 in Desktop "Image doesnt scale for dual monitors" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 10:08 |
| geser | http://www.bienia.de/tmp/Screenshot.png that's how my desktop background currently looks like (that's "Tile" for a wallpaper that fits on the Desktop (same size)) | 10:10 |
| seb128 | oh right | 10:11 |
| seb128 | I would not call that a regression | 10:11 |
| seb128 | and I don't care enough to work on it, it's a corner case where the behaviour changed | 10:11 |
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| seb128 | like you used to have to find an image spanning your screens | 10:12 |
| seb128 | and now you can set one by screen | 10:12 |
| seb128 | which I think is easier to find for users | 10:12 |
| seb128 | it's easier to find 2 images than one made for 2 screens | 10:12 |
| seb128 | you can open it on launchpad if you want though | 10:12 |
| seb128 | but I doubt we will do anything on it | 10:12 |
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| geser | ok, did I understand you correctly that I can select now two different wallpapers (one each for each screen)? | 10:16 |
| geser | because I can't find the option for it, I can only select one wallpaper and the "style" (center, zoom, tile, etc.) | 10:16 |
| geser | and I've to look if I can find one wallpaper and a setting that looks good on both monitors (different native size) | 10:17 |
| seb128 | geser, maybe I'm wrong | 10:19 |
| seb128 | I didn't look at that and I'm using one screen | 10:19 |
| seb128 | maybe it uses the same image on both monitors | 10:19 |
| geser | yes, it uses the same image on both monitors. in the past I created my own wallpapers to match the size of my desktop and I got used to the look of it, I guess I need some time to get used to this new mode | 10:21 |
| geser | thanks | 10:22 |
| seb128 | geser, how does it work if both screen have different ratio? | 10:22 |
| seb128 | with one image | 10:22 |
| seb128 | in any case I think it's a different way to do thing | 10:22 |
| seb128 | but not especially a less good way | 10:23 |
| seb128 | lot of people try to simply put an image | 10:23 |
| seb128 | and get it in the middle of screens | 10:23 |
| seb128 | which is weird | 10:23 |
| seb128 | if you want an image for 2 screens you need to build it | 10:23 |
| geser | which I did in the past but can't use anymore | 10:23 |
| seb128 | right I understand | 10:24 |
| seb128 | but I said that most users probably don't | 10:24 |
| seb128 | and the current workflow makes easier to have something not looking weird | 10:24 |
| seb128 | it's not perfect yet though I agree | 10:25 |
| seb128 | but we have other things to work on | 10:25 |
| seb128 | we will let that to upstream to deal with | 10:25 |
| geser | understandable | 10:29 |
| geser | I'll comment on the upstream bugs and watch how things evolve | 10:31 |
| didrocks | crap, it seems that changing user-setup-apply fixes the live session persistency, not once installed. | 10:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: do you know where install logs are? | 10:37 |
| seb128 | no | 10:37 |
| vuntz | seb128: hrm, crashes when using launchers? | 10:50 |
| vuntz | sounds fun | 10:50 |
| seb128 | vuntz, hey | 10:51 |
| seb128 | vuntz, yes, as soon as I click on one of my panel launcher | 10:51 |
| vuntz | maybe my fix was wrong, then :-) | 10:51 |
| seb128 | do you need some details? | 10:51 |
| vuntz | hrm, if you can get a quick stack trace, I can take a look at the code now | 10:51 |
| vuntz | else, I'll look if I can reproduce in 30 minutes | 10:52 |
| seb128 | vuntz, ok | 10:53 |
| seb128 | #2 0x001a19e1 in gdk_x_error (display=0x80ea0f0, error=0xbfffef3c) | 10:53 |
| seb128 | at /build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.19.3/gdk/x11/gdkmain-x11.c:466 | 10:53 |
| seb128 | #3 0x007d5379 in _XError (dpy=0x80ea0f0, rep=0x82726f8) | 10:53 |
| seb128 | at ../../src/XlibInt.c:3103 | 10:53 |
| seb128 | #4 0x007db9ff in process_responses (dpy=0x80ea0f0, | 10:53 |
| seb128 | I guess you want a --sync one? | 10:53 |
| vuntz | okay, I'm getting tired of seeing tons of panel crashes in X erros | 10:54 |
| vuntz | this nearly never happened before, and now it's all the time... | 10:55 |
| seb128 | vuntz, any idea why? | 10:58 |
| vuntz | no | 10:58 |
| seb128 | vuntz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/357003/ | 10:59 |
| seb128 | I guess that's not really useful... | 10:59 |
| seb128 | The error was 'BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)'. | 11:00 |
| seb128 | (Details: serial 4288 error_code 9 request_code 62 minor_code 0) | 11:00 |
| vuntz | oh, I know this one | 11:00 |
| seb128 | oh? | 11:00 |
| vuntz | seb128: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600865 | 11:01 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 600865 in gtk "[csw?] gnome-panel crashed with "BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)"" [Critical,Unconfirmed] | 11:01 |
| seb128 | vuntz, GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=1 -> no crash | 11:03 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:03 |
| seb128 | I've pinged alex on IRC | 11:03 |
| seb128 | weird that it was working before | 11:03 |
| seb128 | it does crash every time now | 11:03 |
| seb128 | vuntz, other questions for you | 11:04 |
| seb128 | can you filter out a system, preference entry by using a merged menu? | 11:04 |
| seb128 | ie /etc/xdg/menu/settings-merged | 11:05 |
| seb128 | add an Exclude with Filename there doesn't work | 11:05 |
| seb128 | but I'm not sure if that's the right way to do it | 11:05 |
| vuntz | you probably can | 11:09 |
| vuntz | show me what you put? | 11:09 |
| seb128 | <Menu> | 11:11 |
| seb128 | <Name>Desktop</Name> | 11:11 |
| seb128 | <Menu> | 11:11 |
| seb128 | <Name>Preferences</Name> | 11:11 |
| seb128 | <Exclude> | 11:11 |
| seb128 | <Filename>gnome-appearance-properties.desktop</Filename> | 11:11 |
| seb128 | </Exclude> | 11:11 |
| seb128 | </Menu> | 11:11 |
| seb128 | </Menu> | 11:11 |
| seb128 | vuntz, ^ | 11:11 |
| seb128 | I'm pretty sure I'm doing it wrong | 11:12 |
| seb128 | but I've not find documentation on that | 11:12 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128 | 11:12 |
| seb128 | hello chrisccoulson | 11:12 |
| chrisccoulson | having fun with X errors? ;) | 11:12 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, indeed | 11:12 |
| vuntz | seb128: ah, the merged dirs are before the rest | 11:12 |
| vuntz | seb128: <DefaultMergeDirs/>, I mean | 11:12 |
| vuntz | seb128: so it might not be possible | 11:13 |
| vuntz | seb128: you'd need to move it down | 11:13 |
| vuntz | I think I discussed this in a bug report, and explained why I didn't want to do that change upstream | 11:13 |
| seb128 | oh I think I've read this one | 11:13 |
| seb128 | you though it would lead to abuse right? | 11:14 |
| seb128 | or wrong use | 11:14 |
| vuntz | well, potential abuse, yes | 11:14 |
| vuntz | "I installed chrome and it removed my firefox menu item!" | 11:14 |
| seb128 | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=529356 | 11:15 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 529356 in libgnome-menu "Please provide a way to remove hidden desktop files" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] | 11:15 |
| seb128 | ups no | 11:15 |
| seb128 | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557443 | 11:17 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 557443 in layout "Move <DefaultMergeDirs/> to the bottom of the menu files" [Enhancement,Resolved: notabug] | 11:17 |
| seb128 | vuntz, the issue is for those who want to distribute a modified version | 11:19 |
| seb128 | like not list an item | 11:20 |
| seb128 | but still want to get changes with upgrades | 11:20 |
| seb128 | like if they get a custom applications.menu they will not see distro changes | 11:20 |
| seb128 | and if they hack the distro one their change will be dropped on upgrades | 11:20 |
| seb128 | would be easier to allow them to do local changes which would still apply on upgrade | 11:20 |
| asac | pitti: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-une-2d-launcher ... why isnt that on our tracker? | 11:21 |
| asac | for alpha-3? | 11:21 |
| seb128 | asac, he's in train for the day | 11:21 |
| seb128 | doing paris to dresden takes some 8 hours | 11:22 |
| seb128 | just fyi | 11:22 |
| asac | hmm | 11:22 |
| asac | ok | 11:22 |
| didrocks | seb128: that's what I did on Wednesday on that precise case: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/lucid/revision/6?remember=4&compare_revid=4 | 11:28 |
| didrocks | of course :) | 11:28 |
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| didrocks | seb128: that's what I did on Wednesday on that precise case: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/lucid/revision/6?remember=4&compare_revid=4 . you can do the same replacing une-session by gnome-session | 11:33 |
| seb128 | re | 11:37 |
| didrocks | re | 11:38 |
| didrocks | seb128: that's what I did on Wednesday on that precise case: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/lucid/revision/6?remember=4&compare_revid=4 . you can do the same replacing une-session by gnome-session | 11:38 |
| seb128 | which case? | 11:38 |
| seb128 | I'm out of context ;-) | 11:38 |
| didrocks | seb128: for showing/hiding menu entries and taking into account distro changes | 11:39 |
| seb128 | oh | 11:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, how do you tell une to use those? | 11:42 |
| didrocks | seb128: it's part of "having different gnome session". XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is modified regarding session choice | 11:43 |
| didrocks | so you should have /etc/xdg/xdg-gnome right now in addition to the default one | 11:43 |
| seb128 | is gdm doing that? | 11:44 |
| seb128 | what name does it appends? | 11:44 |
| seb128 | the session desktop one? | 11:44 |
| didrocks | no, the X11 scripts | 11:44 |
| didrocks | right | 11:44 |
| seb128 | is that one of your changes? | 11:44 |
| didrocks | yes | 11:44 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:44 |
| seb128 | that's why I don't know about it ;-) | 11:44 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:44 |
| didrocks | y/w :-) | 11:45 |
| seb128 | lunch time | 11:48 |
| seb128 | bbl | 11:48 |
| didrocks | have a good lunch | 11:49 |
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| fta | kenvandine, didn't you say that the rhythmbox crash fix was supposed to be uploaded yesterday? | 12:35 |
| fta | and i still have no clue what i should do to get the tray back.. | 12:38 |
| fta | oh, it's back but it no longer responds to middle click :P | 12:39 |
| seb128 | fta, you will not get the old tray behaviour without a rebuild | 12:40 |
| seb128 | the fallback will add the indicator menu to a notification area icon | 12:41 |
| seb128 | so you will still get simplified behaviour, etc | 12:41 |
| seb128 | it will not fallback to the upstream code | 12:41 |
| fta | hm | 12:42 |
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| seb128 | bah lucid is all screwed today | 13:49 |
| kenvandine | seb128, how so? | 13:49 |
| seb128 | the mini doesn't suspend anymore | 13:49 |
| kenvandine | :( | 13:50 |
| seb128 | and my laptop xorg get in a weird state when trying to open a guest session | 13:50 |
| seb128 | it used to crash so I rebuild to get extra debug infos | 13:50 |
| seb128 | and now I get text on vt7 | 13:50 |
| seb128 | but the desktop seems to be still running | 13:50 |
| seb128 | seems that's just the display which get crashed on something | 13:50 |
| huats | hello all | 13:52 |
| asac | hi huats | 13:52 |
| huats | hey asac | 13:52 |
| seb128 | hey huats | 13:53 |
| cyphermox | asac, I fixed up my branch for fontconfig... there was that bug you mentioned and one other minor change for db_purge | 13:55 |
| didrocks | seb128: wasn't you telling yesterday that you'll upgrade on Saturday? | 13:56 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you must confuse me with pitti | 13:56 |
| seb128 | I don't touch my work computer on saturday | 13:56 |
| didrocks | oh ok so, I mixed that | 13:56 |
| didrocks | :) | 13:56 |
| didrocks | I didn't dist-ugpraded yet, should I wait? | 13:57 |
| seb128 | no | 13:57 |
| asac | cyphermox: did you test db_purge= | 13:57 |
| seb128 | suspend being broken might be a local issue and is not end of the world | 13:57 |
| seb128 | and the guest session crash is there for weeks | 13:57 |
| asac | cyphermox: like after that you should be able to run debconf fontconfig ... and get nothing | 13:57 |
| asac | or was that dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig | 13:58 |
| asac | hmm | 13:58 |
| asac | long gone | 13:58 |
| didrocks | if it's really just for the guest session, I can give it a try, let's finish the une configuration first | 13:58 |
| asac | seb128: i am all broken with gdm in lucid | 13:58 |
| asac | only users that are available in the selectors work | 13:58 |
| asac | and my user isnt shown :( | 13:58 |
| asac | i even built gdm with patch changed to uid 500 ... still my user doesnt show up :( | 13:58 |
| asac | everytime i hit on "other ..." and enter my username gdm crashes | 13:59 |
| cyphermox | asac: I did, but it seemed already empty on another box too | 13:59 |
| asac | so atm, i cant log in;) | 13:59 |
| asac | cyphermox: hmm. | 13:59 |
| cyphermox | asac: let me check another one first | 13:59 |
| asac | cyphermox: ok, i think for verification you need to have at least one version with the template installed | 13:59 |
| asac | before | 14:00 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 14:00 |
| asac | so on an oldmachine its there ... but if you installed late in karmic or something its not | 14:00 |
| seb128 | asac, weird, kees fixed the lucid version to use the etc user config | 14:00 |
| cyphermox | I'll install the debian version and then the one I was preparing | 14:00 |
| seb128 | login.def rather | 14:00 |
| seb128 | the crash is a known issue | 14:00 |
| seb128 | it's on my list of things to debug | 14:00 |
| asac | seb128: oh maybe thats the reason why changing the patch hsa no influence | 14:01 |
| asac | which patch did he add? | 14:01 |
| asac | however, the patch with the 1000 is still inthere | 14:01 |
| asac | hmm | 14:01 |
| asac | the logs.def was a ifdef WINDOWS iirc | 14:01 |
| seb128 | gdm (2.29.1-0ubuntu9) lucid; urgency=low | 14:01 |
| seb128 | * debian/patches/24_system_uid.patch: use configured system UID | 14:01 |
| seb128 | minimum instead of hard-coded value (LP: #459199). | 14:01 |
| * asac checks | 14:01 | |
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| asac | ah its #ifndef __sun | 14:02 |
| * asac should read more in detail | 14:02 | |
| asac | yeah. ... that seems not to work. | 14:02 |
| asac | thanks i will check with kees | 14:03 |
| asac | anyway, if you click other ... | 14:03 |
| asac | it crashes ;) | 14:03 |
| asac | i will try to submit a bug a bit later if its not known | 14:03 |
| seb128 | it's known | 14:04 |
| asac | hmm | 14:04 |
| asac | ok | 14:04 |
| asac | so kees thing tries to be smarter than my settings are | 14:05 |
| asac | my login.defs has 1000 | 14:05 |
| asac | ok ... at least i know what to do | 14:05 |
| asac | thx | 14:05 |
| seb128 | np | 14:05 |
| didrocks | seb128: isn't that weird: http://pastebin.com/f52b6d9ef ? I would have excepted the opposite values for the keys or at least, the same value for both (this is ubuntu-desktop, not une) | 14:05 |
| asac | ok ... lesson learned: read patche more careful in the middle of the night ;) | 14:06 |
| kenvandine | fta, bug 506891 | 14:06 |
| asac | \o/ ... i am logged into shiny lucid | 14:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 506891 in indicator-application "rhythmbox crashes when Status Icon plugin is toggled" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506891 | 14:06 |
| asac | hmm ... GNOME_KeyboardApplet got removed? | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | fta, it's pending a merge proposal review, and indicator-application release | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | fta, didn't make it yesterday | 14:07 |
| seb128 | asac, yes, read changelog | 14:11 |
| seb128 | asac, they are turning it in a notification area icon | 14:11 |
| seb128 | but new g-s-d didn't get uploaded yet | 14:11 |
| asac | hmm. will the migration happen? | 14:13 |
| asac | e.g. or will users see this scary broken dialog | 14:13 |
| seb128 | I've not tried to upgrade a system with this applet | 14:13 |
| seb128 | but if upstream didn't put it in the "to clean list" we will fix that | 14:13 |
| seb128 | can you open a bug on gnome-applets? | 14:13 |
| seb128 | there is a list of applets which should be cleaned without noise | 14:14 |
| seb128 | to avoid such issues on upgrade | 14:14 |
| asac | cleaned or migrated? | 14:14 |
| seb128 | ie we did that with the mixer previous cycle | 14:14 |
| asac | i want this feature to stay | 14:14 |
| seb128 | I will have to check what criterious g-s-d use to display that icon | 14:14 |
| seb128 | I would expect it to be displayed for anybody what has >1 layout | 14:14 |
| asac | ok ... if thats the case then it makese sense | 14:15 |
| asac | i didnt delete it, so i will get remembered on next upload | 14:15 |
| asac | so i can file a bug for the full experience after gsd upoad | 14:15 |
| fta | asac, did you do something for metacity yet? | 14:16 |
| mvo | seb128: hi, can I make ubuntu-desktop owner of launchpad-integration (https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-integration) ? or will that have side-effects that are bad? | 14:18 |
| seb128 | mvo, what is owner and why do you want that? | 14:18 |
| mvo | seb128: I'm the owner and I don't want to be the owner ;) | 14:18 |
| mvo | seb128: seriously, it should be team-owned | 14:18 |
| mvo | not by a individual | 14:19 |
| seb128 | or not owned? | 14:19 |
| seb128 | you can set the team I guess, I'm not sure what that implies | 14:19 |
| mvo | seb128: not owned? how would that work? | 14:20 |
| seb128 | I don't know what is an owner there | 14:20 |
| seb128 | we do register products to be able to add watches | 14:20 |
| seb128 | but do we need to put a name on those | 14:21 |
| seb128 | does is mean whoever register it is spammed? | 14:21 |
| mvo | I don't know | 14:21 |
| mvo | sorry | 14:21 |
| didrocks | seb128: any thought on my hilight on g-p-m default value? (default value is hibernate and we set it at Nothing in 10_gnome-power-manager) ^ | 14:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks, sorry I'm tracking a zillion issues together today | 14:22 |
| didrocks | seb128: no pb, I can log it somewhere and spam you again on Monday :) | 14:23 |
| seb128 | looking | 14:23 |
| asac | fta: i poked in the gnome-hackers channel | 14:25 |
| asac | but all were out already | 14:25 |
| asac | ok posted again | 14:26 |
| asac | in hackers | 14:26 |
| fta | could we ship the patch in the meantime? | 14:26 |
| seb128 | asac, I don't know if there is any active upstream but I think robert_ancell knows those guys | 14:27 |
| seb128 | so maybe ping him when he's around | 14:27 |
| seb128 | or drop him an email | 14:27 |
| seb128 | he can probably ping them | 14:27 |
| asac | yeah | 14:27 |
| asac | if upstream is dead-like we can just add it to the package :) | 14:27 |
| asac | is robbert_ancel responsible for that package in general now? | 14:28 |
| seb128 | nobody is responsible for it I think | 14:30 |
| seb128 | just upload if you have a change you think should go there | 14:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks, that's weird indeed | 14:30 |
| didrocks | seb128: I guess I'll upload tweaking the value if you don't mind (suspend is probably better than the default in the schema "hibernate") | 14:31 |
| mvo | seb128: btw, does software-center work for you currently? or do you get a import error? | 14:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, what do you want to change? | 14:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the values seems right in the capplet | 14:31 |
| asac | kk | 14:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I'm wondering if that's just not a key naming issue but the code still being right | 14:31 |
| seb128 | mvo, wfm | 14:32 |
| asac | fta: so if you give me a debdiff i would sponsor it directly. otherwise i will try to slip it in | 14:32 |
| mvo | seb128: ok, thanks | 14:32 |
| seb128 | mvo, what fails to import for you? | 14:32 |
| mvo | ImportError: PyGI supprot not enabled, deep down in webkit/python | 14:32 |
| seb128 | mvo, I did sync new webkit | 14:32 |
| mvo | seb128: not sure whats wrong, but if its not a general problem, I will ignore it till monday | 14:33 |
| seb128 | but it's installed there and works... | 14:33 |
| mvo | may well be something on my dev box | 14:33 |
| mvo | thanks for the check :) | 14:33 |
| seb128 | np | 14:33 |
| didrocks | seb128: where do you see it in the capplet? I don't find anymore the ac/battery options in gnome-power-preferences | 14:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: I just see the "when you press that button do …" | 14:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, bug #389067 | 14:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 389067 in gnome-power-manager "unintuitive settings in gnome-power-preferences" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389067 | 14:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you are right I was confusing it with something else | 14:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I'm a bit confused, where do you see a wrong behaviour? | 14:41 |
| seb128 | what are you trying to fix? | 14:41 |
| didrocks | seb128: looking at une settings and trying to drop as much as I can from it to stick with ubuntu-desktop default, I saw that on ubuntu desktop, we have /apps/gnome-power-manager/actions/sleep_type_ac to suspend and /apps/gnome-power-manager/actions/sleep_type_battery to Nothing which is a nosense to me (I would except the same value for both or the contrary) | 14:43 |
| didrocks | seb128: basically, we are telling "if you don't do anything and you're on ac, default is to suspend after xxxx secondes, if you are on battery, don't do anything" | 14:44 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I don't have a sleep_type_ac there | 14:44 |
| seb128 | in gconf-defaults | 14:45 |
| seb128 | I need to read the code | 14:45 |
| seb128 | that must not be working | 14:45 |
| seb128 | I never got my computer to suspend on idle on ac | 14:45 |
| seb128 | and I'm letting sometime for half a day idleing | 14:45 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure how that's supposed to work | 14:46 |
| seb128 | if the code is buggy or the gconf description confusing | 14:46 |
| seb128 | but it doesn't do what you describe in practice | 14:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: I think that's because /apps/gnome-power-manager/timeout/sleep_computer_ac is set to 0 | 14:46 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we don't set the sleep_ac_type though, it's coming from upstream no? | 14:51 |
| didrocks | seb128: right. The only value we change in those is this sleep_type_battery set to "nothing" instead of hibernate. That's why I think we can at least set it to suspend as this is the default value for sleep_type_ac (just for the sake of consistency) | 14:54 |
| seb128 | right | 14:57 |
| seb128 | I'm trying to figure who changed that, when and why | 14:57 |
| seb128 | did you look for that info? | 14:57 |
| didrocks | seb128: I tried in the changelog but didn't find anything related to it. Double checking is always great | 14:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, sorry I'm in middle of gtk debugging with alex but I look at that with you next | 15:02 |
| didrocks | seb128: sure, no hurry :) | 15:02 |
| seb128 | vuntz, ok, alex has a gdk patch working | 15:02 |
| vuntz | seb128: cool stuff | 15:09 |
| seb128 | vuntz, it's always good to have somebody having the issue to IRC debug ;-) | 15:10 |
| seb128 | vuntz, so I blamed you for nothing again it seems ;-) | 15:10 |
| seb128 | vuntz, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/patch/?id=f96e51db46f2196707c0ea44a46f1d67f9a069d4 btw | 15:18 |
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| seb128 | didrocks, the change seems to be there since dapper and I don't see a reason to keep it nowadays, feel free to drop it | 15:25 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the change = the gconf-defaults 1 liner to set the type | 15:25 |
| seb128 | we should probably stay on upstream default for those | 15:25 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, so let's stick with hibernate | 15:25 |
| seb128 | I would be in favor of doing what upstream does yes | 15:26 |
| seb128 | and to open an upstream bug and argue there if you think it should be changed | 15:26 |
| didrocks | I agree, let me finish the default value testing stuff and I'll work on that | 15:27 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:28 |
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| davidbarth | pitti, seb128: FYI https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/LucidReleaseStatus | 15:36 |
| strycore | Hi | 15:37 |
| seb128 | davidbarth, thanks | 15:37 |
| strycore | I applied to the position for Gnome contractor that Jono Bacon posted on his blog, I've received an email from Alice Paul giving me hopes that I might get the job. I'd like to get a bit more details about what needs to be done if you don't mind. | 15:39 |
| seb128 | hey strycore | 15:44 |
| seb128 | jono, ^ | 15:44 |
| seb128 | davidbarth, ^ | 15:44 |
| seb128 | jcastro, ^ | 15:44 |
| seb128 | strycore, one of those guys should be able to give specifics | 15:45 |
| strycore | thanks seb128 | 15:45 |
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| seb128 | chrisccoulson, hey | 16:03 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128 - how are you? | 16:03 |
| seb128 | busy and a bit tired too | 16:04 |
| seb128 | but good otherwise | 16:04 |
| seb128 | you. | 16:04 |
| seb128 | ? | 16:04 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm good. i just got in from work :) | 16:04 |
| chrisccoulson | well, about 1 hour ago | 16:04 |
| seb128 | how is the familly doing? | 16:06 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, they're doing ok. ruby is growing quite quickly | 16:07 |
| chrisccoulson | but sleeping more ;) | 16:08 |
| chrisccoulson | she slept from midnight until 8am last night | 16:08 |
| fta | asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/metacity_2.28.0-2ubuntu3.debdiff | 16:14 |
| asac | will do after meeting | 16:15 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, nice, so you can sleep too! | 16:17 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, btw I didn't manage to do the libxklavier update | 16:17 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, you are welcome to do it if you want | 16:17 |
| seb128 | I got sidetracked in other issues | 16:17 |
| seb128 | gtk bug leading to gnome-panel crash | 16:17 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - cool, i'll look at that shortly | 16:17 |
| seb128 | xorg crashing on guess session opening there | 16:17 |
| seb128 | etc | 16:17 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - it sounds like you've had quite a bit of fun today ;) | 16:21 |
| seb128 | indeed | 16:22 |
| seb128 | not to mention that the mini doesn't suspend today | 16:22 |
| seb128 | when that was working yesterday | 16:22 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering if that's pitti's gpm change | 16:22 |
| chrisccoulson | that's not good | 16:22 |
| seb128 | timeout trying to contact gpm or dkpower | 16:22 |
| seb128 | it's all weird | 16:22 |
| chrisccoulson | saying that, suspend hasn't worked on my desktop for a couple of years | 16:23 |
| seb128 | is that suposed to work on desktops? | 16:23 |
| seb128 | it never worked on my desktop boxes | 16:23 |
| seb128 | but on my laptops it does usually | 16:23 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i think so, and it worked at some point in the past | 16:23 |
| hyperair | yes it is supposed to | 16:23 |
| seb128 | hibernate works on my desktop | 16:23 |
| hyperair | it works on my desktop | 16:23 |
| hyperair | but rather strangely | 16:24 |
| hyperair | i have to do a lot of strange voodoo magic to get it to get it to resume | 16:24 |
| chrisccoulson | it seems to stop everything when i try to suspend, but then the machine never actually powers down properly, and all the fans stay running | 16:24 |
| hyperair | involving poking random buttons | 16:24 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, something similar there | 16:24 |
| hyperair | fans huh | 16:24 |
| chrisccoulson | and hibernate used to panic on resume the last time i tried it, so i just try not to accidentally press the hibernate button nowe | 16:25 |
| jcastro | seb128: hrpmh, so there's no user-visible way to set text-beside-icons anymore? :( | 16:25 |
| hyperair | it worked in the past right? maybe you should bisect the kernel =p | 16:25 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - no, the tab was purposely removed from g-a-p | 16:26 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: why?! | 16:26 |
| jcastro | right, so that means we should ship text beside icons by default! | 16:26 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair - it's considered a power-user option | 16:26 |
| hyperair | ...... | 16:26 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - do we not already do that by default? | 16:26 |
| hyperair | no, it's text below icon, afaik | 16:27 |
| jcastro | not afaik, I always have to switch it on | 16:27 |
| * hyperair jumps into the guest session to check | 16:27 | |
| jcastro | maybe it's on in UNE by default? | 16:27 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmmm, it's text beside icons on my box, but i don't remember if i changed it | 16:27 |
| * vish notices package "unattended upgrades" ..? so are security upgrades done automatically now? | 16:29 | |
| hyperair | hmm my guest account says text beside icons | 16:30 |
| hyperair | in karmic | 16:30 |
| hyperair | but i remember having to set it previously | 16:30 |
| seb128 | jcastro, no | 16:30 |
| kees | vish: no, you have to enable it. that package just provides the capacity to do it. | 16:30 |
| seb128 | jcastro, davidbarth: did any of you responded to the guy who had question about the contracting job? | 16:31 |
| jcastro | I don't know anything about the contracting job | 16:31 |
| hyperair | what about "Show icons in menus" and "Editable menu shortcut keys" ? | 16:31 |
| davidbarth | seb128: ? didn't see that email? any pointers? | 16:31 |
| seb128 | jcastro, can you get him and somebody who knows in touch? | 16:31 |
| vish | kees: ah... thanks.. with all the planned update manager changes i was wondering if it was on by default now :) | 16:31 |
| seb128 | davidbarth, it was on the channel, I did ping you and jono and jcastro | 16:31 |
| seb128 | and nobody replied | 16:31 |
| seb128 | I closed IRC since though... | 16:31 |
| seb128 | so I don't have the backlog | 16:32 |
| jcastro | davidbarth: strycore has questions | 16:32 |
| davidbarth | seb128: ah, reading up; i missed one line then | 16:32 |
| strycore | I'd like to point out that i did not get the job *yet* , I'm just very hopeful ;) | 16:32 |
| seb128 | I didn't imply you did ;-) | 16:32 |
| davidbarth | seb128: ok, seen now | 16:32 |
| davidbarth | strycore: hi; thanks for pinging us on that; i haven't received your application yet; i guess jono will receive it first, being the lead on this recruitment | 16:33 |
| strycore | davidbarth, jono got it and transmitted it to Alice Paul | 16:34 |
| jono | strycore, you have all the key information | 16:35 |
| jono | the job description | 16:35 |
| jono | the role would be building application indicator suppoer and some notify-osd work into applications | 16:35 |
| strycore | I was suspecting it had something to do with the application indicator :) | 16:37 |
| strycore | btw, your acire tool is really a great idea ! | 16:40 |
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| mdeslaur | seb128: I am preparing security updates for pidgin, and I noticed bug #494002 while testing | 18:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 494002 in pidgin "[hardy] Failing to connect to MSN with 'protocol is not supported' error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494002 | 18:18 |
| mdeslaur | seb128: are you okay with me pushing the following patch to hardy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/357177/ | 18:18 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, hey | 18:19 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, looking | 18:19 |
| mdeslaur | seb128: it totally fails to connect right now as msn doesn't support v9 of their protocol any more, but they still support v8 | 18:20 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, if you can test and confirm that the change works please use it | 18:21 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, that seems to make sense to me but I can't test there | 18:21 |
| seb128 | or not easily | 18:21 |
| mdeslaur | seb128: yes, I've tested it, and it seems to work good | 18:21 |
| mdeslaur | thanks seb128 | 18:22 |
| seb128 | thank you for working on it! | 18:23 |
| mat_t | seb128: hey | 18:33 |
| vuntz | seb128: just wondering, is there any hope to backport the gtk+ krash to karmic? | 18:33 |
| mat_t | seb128: can I ask you for a piece of advice? | 18:33 |
| vuntz | err... crash :-) | 18:33 |
| vuntz | (since it gets reported quite a bit in bugzilla) | 18:33 |
| mat_t | seb128: If my screen suddenly goes black and I have to do a hard reboot - what should I file the bug against? :) | 18:34 |
| seb128 | vuntz, you want me to backport a crash? ;-) | 18:39 |
| seb128 | vuntz, or rather the fix for the crasher? | 18:39 |
| seb128 | vuntz, are you sure those are the same issue? what gnome bug? | 18:40 |
| seb128 | mat_t, xorg-server I would say | 18:40 |
| seb128 | mat_t, or as #ubuntu-x | 18:40 |
| seb128 | ask | 18:40 |
| mat_t | thx seb128! | 18:43 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 18:43 |
| seb128 | vuntz, the issue there was a BadDrawable | 18:43 |
| seb128 | the ones I found on launchpad were mostly other xerrors | 18:43 |
| asac | why is that a bz bug? thought it was chromium ;) | 19:11 |
| asac | heh ok | 19:11 |
| asac | gnome | 19:11 |
| asac | i think bz is a bad habbit of mine for bmo | 19:11 |
| asac | bgo | 19:11 |
| asac | hmm. there is a bzr branch ;) | 19:12 |
| * asac replays | 19:13 | |
| asac | anyway. have to drop this right now and get ready to buy stuff before stores close ;) | 19:14 |
| asac | will continue ltr | 19:14 |
| asac | fta: ^^... sorry wrong channel ;) | 19:14 |
| fta | asac, ok | 19:20 |
| didrocks | have a good week-end! | 19:41 |
| vish | seb128: Sarvatt found the guest session problem > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/506510/comments/5 | 19:55 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 506510 in xorg-server "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in FatalError()" [Medium,New] | 19:55 |
| seb128 | vish, why would that lead to a crash? | 19:56 |
| vish | seb128: they are still figuring out , but i tried the workaround , and editing that file deos fix it | 19:57 |
| vish | does* | 19:57 |
| diverse_izzue | hi all. have people thought about which version of tracker to ship with lucid? tracker 0.7 is pretty much a total rewrite AFAIK, and while not quite done, it's getting close. a reason for pushing this into lucid is that during the lifecycle of lucid, applications might be release which use tracker as their backend. | 19:57 |
| chrisccoulson | diverse_izzue - i'm working on the packaging of 0.7 with mbiebl and robtaylor | 20:00 |
| diverse_izzue | chrisccoulson, great. i have up to date packages in my ppa, which are based on mbiebls packages. the ppa is alex-hunziker/ppa. | 20:01 |
| chrisccoulson | diverse_izzue - thanks | 20:01 |
| vish | hmm... evolution segfaulting after update to > 2.28.2-1ubuntu4 | 20:47 |
| vish | just wont start :( | 20:47 |
| dobey | kenvandine: hrmm. gwibber notifications fail. For flickr it looks like it will often just give the image's filename in the notification, which is quite confusing | 21:06 |
| kenvandine | dobey, that stuff will be changing quite a bit | 21:06 |
| kenvandine | :) | 21:06 |
| kenvandine | i'll make sure it doesn't suck | 21:06 |
| dobey | heh | 21:07 |
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