=== robbiew_ is now known as robbiew === robbiew is now known as robbiew_ === asac_ is now known as asac [04:35] pitti: HI :D === bratsche is now known as br_away [07:30] good morning [08:12] hello, good morning [08:15] good morning baptistemm [09:19] good morning desktopers [09:19] hello hello seb128 [09:19] salut didrocks, sorry for the lag [09:19] hey seb128 [09:20] hey baptistemm mvo [09:20] hi kids [09:21] good morning seb128 [09:21] and baptistemm, mvo and Tm_T [09:21] hey chrisccoulson [09:22] hey chrisccoulson! [09:23] hey seb128, did you have a good way back yesterday night ? [09:23] morning mvo [09:23] lut didrocks [09:23] how are you chrisccoulson? :) [09:23] didrocks, excellent [09:23] I managed to do the gnome-utils and gnome-applets updates in the train [09:24] hey didrocks - i'm good thanks [09:24] and 95% of the gnome-panel obe [09:24] one [09:24] seb128: great! [09:24] didrocks, did pitti leave? [09:24] hey seb128. i'll work on g-p-m and g-s-d this afternoon :) i'll probably need to update libgnomekbd and libxklavier for the g-s-d update as well [09:25] chrisccoulson, I was going to do the libxklavier soname transition today [09:25] but I can leave it for you if you want [09:27] seb128: yes, at 8am. I just drop it at La Défense to ensure he will find and take the right metro ;) [09:27] seb128 - i don't mind really. feel free if you want to do it, but i'll do it when i get home if not [09:27] hey didrocks! [09:27] chrisccoulson, I will do the soname change [09:27] so I can new it etc during the day [09:27] you are welcome to do gpm and gsd though [09:27] I don't intend to work on these [09:27] seb128 - thanks [09:27] thank you! [09:28] where is vuntz [09:28] new gnome-panel crashes when using launchers [09:28] I wonder if he didn't already fixed that in git [09:29] baptistemm, there is no git commit since the tarball [09:29] http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-panel/log [09:29] I see a new minor release 2.29.5.1 [09:29] I'm using this one [09:29] Fix potential crash when creating a launcher with drag and drop [09:30] ah okay [09:30] do you take me for a beginner? ;-) [09:30] no no [09:30] of course not [09:30] I said that because vuntz and teuf debugged such issues yesterday on #gnomefr === kermiac_ is now known as kermiac === kermiac is now known as Guest10376 [10:06] seb128: do you (as in the desktop team) want regressions from karmic to lucid also filed as LP bugs or is the problem being filed in gnome bugzilla enough? [10:07] geser, depends what you call regression and if upstream is fixing it or if we should work on it [10:08] I upgraded my desktop from karmic to lucid yesterday, and my wallpaper doesn't span my both monitors anymore and I couldn't find a setting to let it do it again [10:08] see also https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=603551 and the last comments in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147808 [10:08] Gnome bug 603551 in Desktop "Image doesnt scale for dual monitors" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [10:10] http://www.bienia.de/tmp/Screenshot.png that's how my desktop background currently looks like (that's "Tile" for a wallpaper that fits on the Desktop (same size)) [10:11] oh right [10:11] I would not call that a regression [10:11] and I don't care enough to work on it, it's a corner case where the behaviour changed === Guest10376 is now known as kermiac [10:12] like you used to have to find an image spanning your screens [10:12] and now you can set one by screen [10:12] which I think is easier to find for users [10:12] it's easier to find 2 images than one made for 2 screens [10:12] you can open it on launchpad if you want though [10:12] but I doubt we will do anything on it === kermiac is now known as Guest42203 === Guest42203 is now known as kermiac [10:16] ok, did I understand you correctly that I can select now two different wallpapers (one each for each screen)? [10:16] because I can't find the option for it, I can only select one wallpaper and the "style" (center, zoom, tile, etc.) [10:17] and I've to look if I can find one wallpaper and a setting that looks good on both monitors (different native size) [10:19] geser, maybe I'm wrong [10:19] I didn't look at that and I'm using one screen [10:19] maybe it uses the same image on both monitors [10:21] yes, it uses the same image on both monitors. in the past I created my own wallpapers to match the size of my desktop and I got used to the look of it, I guess I need some time to get used to this new mode [10:22] thanks [10:22] geser, how does it work if both screen have different ratio? [10:22] with one image [10:22] in any case I think it's a different way to do thing [10:23] but not especially a less good way [10:23] lot of people try to simply put an image [10:23] and get it in the middle of screens [10:23] which is weird [10:23] if you want an image for 2 screens you need to build it [10:23] which I did in the past but can't use anymore [10:24] right I understand [10:24] but I said that most users probably don't [10:24] and the current workflow makes easier to have something not looking weird [10:25] it's not perfect yet though I agree [10:25] but we have other things to work on [10:25] we will let that to upstream to deal with [10:29] understandable [10:31] I'll comment on the upstream bugs and watch how things evolve [10:35] crap, it seems that changing user-setup-apply fixes the live session persistency, not once installed. [10:37] seb128: do you know where install logs are? [10:37] no [10:50] seb128: hrm, crashes when using launchers? [10:50] sounds fun [10:51] vuntz, hey [10:51] vuntz, yes, as soon as I click on one of my panel launcher [10:51] maybe my fix was wrong, then :-) [10:51] do you need some details? [10:51] hrm, if you can get a quick stack trace, I can take a look at the code now [10:52] else, I'll look if I can reproduce in 30 minutes [10:53] vuntz, ok [10:53] #2 0x001a19e1 in gdk_x_error (display=0x80ea0f0, error=0xbfffef3c) [10:53] at /build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.19.3/gdk/x11/gdkmain-x11.c:466 [10:53] #3 0x007d5379 in _XError (dpy=0x80ea0f0, rep=0x82726f8) [10:53] at ../../src/XlibInt.c:3103 [10:53] #4 0x007db9ff in process_responses (dpy=0x80ea0f0, [10:53] I guess you want a --sync one? [10:54] okay, I'm getting tired of seeing tons of panel crashes in X erros [10:55] this nearly never happened before, and now it's all the time... [10:58] vuntz, any idea why? [10:58] no [10:59] vuntz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/357003/ [10:59] I guess that's not really useful... [11:00] The error was 'BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)'. [11:00] (Details: serial 4288 error_code 9 request_code 62 minor_code 0) [11:00] oh, I know this one [11:00] oh? [11:01] seb128: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600865 [11:01] Gnome bug 600865 in gtk "[csw?] gnome-panel crashed with "BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)"" [Critical,Unconfirmed] [11:03] vuntz, GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=1 -> no crash [11:03] thanks [11:03] I've pinged alex on IRC [11:03] weird that it was working before [11:03] it does crash every time now [11:04] vuntz, other questions for you [11:04] can you filter out a system, preference entry by using a merged menu? [11:05] ie /etc/xdg/menu/settings-merged [11:05] add an Exclude with Filename there doesn't work [11:05] but I'm not sure if that's the right way to do it [11:09] you probably can [11:09] show me what you put? [11:11] [11:11] Desktop [11:11] [11:11] Preferences [11:11] [11:11] gnome-appearance-properties.desktop [11:11] [11:11] [11:11] [11:11] vuntz, ^ [11:12] I'm pretty sure I'm doing it wrong [11:12] but I've not find documentation on that [11:12] hey seb128 [11:12] hello chrisccoulson [11:12] having fun with X errors? ;) [11:12] chrisccoulson, indeed [11:12] seb128: ah, the merged dirs are before the rest [11:12] seb128: , I mean [11:13] seb128: so it might not be possible [11:13] seb128: you'd need to move it down [11:13] I think I discussed this in a bug report, and explained why I didn't want to do that change upstream [11:13] oh I think I've read this one [11:14] you though it would lead to abuse right? [11:14] or wrong use [11:14] well, potential abuse, yes [11:14] "I installed chrome and it removed my firefox menu item!" [11:15] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=529356 [11:15] Gnome bug 529356 in libgnome-menu "Please provide a way to remove hidden desktop files" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] [11:15] ups no [11:17] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557443 [11:17] Gnome bug 557443 in layout "Move to the bottom of the menu files" [Enhancement,Resolved: notabug] [11:19] vuntz, the issue is for those who want to distribute a modified version [11:20] like not list an item [11:20] but still want to get changes with upgrades [11:20] like if they get a custom applications.menu they will not see distro changes [11:20] and if they hack the distro one their change will be dropped on upgrades [11:20] would be easier to allow them to do local changes which would still apply on upgrade [11:21] pitti: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-une-2d-launcher ... why isnt that on our tracker? [11:21] for alpha-3? [11:21] asac, he's in train for the day [11:22] doing paris to dresden takes some 8 hours [11:22] just fyi [11:22] hmm [11:22] ok [11:28] seb128: that's what I did on Wednesday on that precise case: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/lucid/revision/6?remember=4&compare_revid=4 [11:28] of course :) === kermiac is now known as Guest21583 [11:33] seb128: that's what I did on Wednesday on that precise case: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/lucid/revision/6?remember=4&compare_revid=4 . you can do the same replacing une-session by gnome-session [11:37] re [11:38] re [11:38] seb128: that's what I did on Wednesday on that precise case: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/lucid/revision/6?remember=4&compare_revid=4 . you can do the same replacing une-session by gnome-session [11:38] which case? [11:38] I'm out of context ;-) [11:39] seb128: for showing/hiding menu entries and taking into account distro changes [11:39] oh [11:42] didrocks, how do you tell une to use those? [11:43] seb128: it's part of "having different gnome session". XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is modified regarding session choice [11:43] so you should have /etc/xdg/xdg-gnome right now in addition to the default one [11:44] is gdm doing that? [11:44] what name does it appends? [11:44] the session desktop one? [11:44] no, the X11 scripts [11:44] right [11:44] is that one of your changes? [11:44] yes [11:44] ok [11:44] that's why I don't know about it ;-) [11:44] thanks [11:45] y/w :-) [11:48] lunch time [11:48] bbl [11:49] have a good lunch === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:35] kenvandine, didn't you say that the rhythmbox crash fix was supposed to be uploaded yesterday? [12:38] and i still have no clue what i should do to get the tray back.. [12:39] oh, it's back but it no longer responds to middle click :P [12:40] fta, you will not get the old tray behaviour without a rebuild [12:41] the fallback will add the indicator menu to a notification area icon [12:41] so you will still get simplified behaviour, etc [12:41] it will not fallback to the upstream code [12:42] hm === Pici` is now known as Pici === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === kenvandine_ is now known as kenvandine [13:49] bah lucid is all screwed today [13:49] seb128, how so? [13:49] the mini doesn't suspend anymore [13:50] :( [13:50] and my laptop xorg get in a weird state when trying to open a guest session [13:50] it used to crash so I rebuild to get extra debug infos [13:50] and now I get text on vt7 [13:50] but the desktop seems to be still running [13:50] seems that's just the display which get crashed on something [13:52] hello all [13:52] hi huats [13:52] hey asac [13:53] hey huats [13:55] asac, I fixed up my branch for fontconfig... there was that bug you mentioned and one other minor change for db_purge [13:56] seb128: wasn't you telling yesterday that you'll upgrade on Saturday? [13:56] didrocks, you must confuse me with pitti [13:56] I don't touch my work computer on saturday [13:56] oh ok so, I mixed that [13:56] :) [13:57] I didn't dist-ugpraded yet, should I wait? [13:57] no [13:57] cyphermox: did you test db_purge= [13:57] suspend being broken might be a local issue and is not end of the world [13:57] and the guest session crash is there for weeks [13:57] cyphermox: like after that you should be able to run debconf fontconfig ... and get nothing [13:58] or was that dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig [13:58] hmm [13:58] long gone [13:58] if it's really just for the guest session, I can give it a try, let's finish the une configuration first [13:58] seb128: i am all broken with gdm in lucid [13:58] only users that are available in the selectors work [13:58] and my user isnt shown :( [13:58] i even built gdm with patch changed to uid 500 ... still my user doesnt show up :( [13:59] everytime i hit on "other ..." and enter my username gdm crashes [13:59] asac: I did, but it seemed already empty on another box too [13:59] so atm, i cant log in;) [13:59] cyphermox: hmm. [13:59] asac: let me check another one first [13:59] cyphermox: ok, i think for verification you need to have at least one version with the template installed [14:00] before [14:00] yeah [14:00] so on an oldmachine its there ... but if you installed late in karmic or something its not [14:00] asac, weird, kees fixed the lucid version to use the etc user config [14:00] I'll install the debian version and then the one I was preparing [14:00] login.def rather [14:00] the crash is a known issue [14:00] it's on my list of things to debug [14:01] seb128: oh maybe thats the reason why changing the patch hsa no influence [14:01] which patch did he add? [14:01] however, the patch with the 1000 is still inthere [14:01] hmm [14:01] the logs.def was a ifdef WINDOWS iirc [14:01] gdm (2.29.1-0ubuntu9) lucid; urgency=low [14:01] * debian/patches/24_system_uid.patch: use configured system UID [14:01] minimum instead of hard-coded value (LP: #459199). [14:01] * asac checks === robbiew_ is now known as robbiew [14:02] ah its #ifndef __sun [14:02] * asac should read more in detail [14:02] yeah. ... that seems not to work. [14:03] thanks i will check with kees [14:03] anyway, if you click other ... [14:03] it crashes ;) [14:03] i will try to submit a bug a bit later if its not known [14:04] it's known [14:04] hmm [14:04] ok [14:05] so kees thing tries to be smarter than my settings are [14:05] my login.defs has 1000 [14:05] ok ... at least i know what to do [14:05] thx [14:05] np [14:05] seb128: isn't that weird: http://pastebin.com/f52b6d9ef ? I would have excepted the opposite values for the keys or at least, the same value for both (this is ubuntu-desktop, not une) [14:06] ok ... lesson learned: read patche more careful in the middle of the night ;) [14:06] fta, bug 506891 [14:06] \o/ ... i am logged into shiny lucid [14:06] Launchpad bug 506891 in indicator-application "rhythmbox crashes when Status Icon plugin is toggled" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506891 [14:07] hmm ... GNOME_KeyboardApplet got removed? [14:07] fta, it's pending a merge proposal review, and indicator-application release [14:07] fta, didn't make it yesterday [14:11] asac, yes, read changelog [14:11] asac, they are turning it in a notification area icon [14:11] but new g-s-d didn't get uploaded yet [14:13] hmm. will the migration happen? [14:13] e.g. or will users see this scary broken dialog [14:13] I've not tried to upgrade a system with this applet [14:13] but if upstream didn't put it in the "to clean list" we will fix that [14:13] can you open a bug on gnome-applets? [14:14] there is a list of applets which should be cleaned without noise [14:14] to avoid such issues on upgrade [14:14] cleaned or migrated? [14:14] ie we did that with the mixer previous cycle [14:14] i want this feature to stay [14:14] I will have to check what criterious g-s-d use to display that icon [14:14] I would expect it to be displayed for anybody what has >1 layout [14:15] ok ... if thats the case then it makese sense [14:15] i didnt delete it, so i will get remembered on next upload [14:15] so i can file a bug for the full experience after gsd upoad [14:16] asac, did you do something for metacity yet? [14:18] seb128: hi, can I make ubuntu-desktop owner of launchpad-integration (https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-integration) ? or will that have side-effects that are bad? [14:18] mvo, what is owner and why do you want that? [14:18] seb128: I'm the owner and I don't want to be the owner ;) [14:18] seb128: seriously, it should be team-owned [14:19] not by a individual [14:19] or not owned? [14:19] you can set the team I guess, I'm not sure what that implies [14:20] seb128: not owned? how would that work? [14:20] I don't know what is an owner there [14:20] we do register products to be able to add watches [14:21] but do we need to put a name on those [14:21] does is mean whoever register it is spammed? [14:21] I don't know [14:21] sorry [14:22] seb128: any thought on my hilight on g-p-m default value? (default value is hibernate and we set it at Nothing in 10_gnome-power-manager) ^ [14:22] didrocks, sorry I'm tracking a zillion issues together today [14:23] seb128: no pb, I can log it somewhere and spam you again on Monday :) [14:23] looking [14:25] fta: i poked in the gnome-hackers channel [14:25] but all were out already [14:26] ok posted again [14:26] in hackers [14:26] could we ship the patch in the meantime? [14:27] asac, I don't know if there is any active upstream but I think robert_ancell knows those guys [14:27] so maybe ping him when he's around [14:27] or drop him an email [14:27] he can probably ping them [14:27] yeah [14:27] if upstream is dead-like we can just add it to the package :) [14:28] is robbert_ancel responsible for that package in general now? [14:30] nobody is responsible for it I think [14:30] just upload if you have a change you think should go there [14:30] didrocks, that's weird indeed [14:31] seb128: I guess I'll upload tweaking the value if you don't mind (suspend is probably better than the default in the schema "hibernate") [14:31] seb128: btw, does software-center work for you currently? or do you get a import error? [14:31] didrocks, what do you want to change? [14:31] didrocks, the values seems right in the capplet [14:31] kk [14:31] didrocks, I'm wondering if that's just not a key naming issue but the code still being right [14:32] mvo, wfm [14:32] fta: so if you give me a debdiff i would sponsor it directly. otherwise i will try to slip it in [14:32] seb128: ok, thanks [14:32] mvo, what fails to import for you? [14:32] ImportError: PyGI supprot not enabled, deep down in webkit/python [14:32] mvo, I did sync new webkit [14:33] seb128: not sure whats wrong, but if its not a general problem, I will ignore it till monday [14:33] but it's installed there and works... [14:33] may well be something on my dev box [14:33] thanks for the check :) [14:33] np [14:35] seb128: where do you see it in the capplet? I don't find anymore the ac/battery options in gnome-power-preferences [14:35] seb128: I just see the "when you press that button do …" [14:39] didrocks, bug #389067 [14:39] Launchpad bug 389067 in gnome-power-manager "unintuitive settings in gnome-power-preferences" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389067 [14:39] didrocks, you are right I was confusing it with something else [14:41] didrocks, I'm a bit confused, where do you see a wrong behaviour? [14:41] what are you trying to fix? [14:43] seb128: looking at une settings and trying to drop as much as I can from it to stick with ubuntu-desktop default, I saw that on ubuntu desktop, we have /apps/gnome-power-manager/actions/sleep_type_ac to suspend and /apps/gnome-power-manager/actions/sleep_type_battery to Nothing which is a nosense to me (I would except the same value for both or the contrary) [14:44] seb128: basically, we are telling "if you don't do anything and you're on ac, default is to suspend after xxxx secondes, if you are on battery, don't do anything" [14:44] didrocks, I don't have a sleep_type_ac there [14:45] in gconf-defaults [14:45] I need to read the code [14:45] that must not be working [14:45] I never got my computer to suspend on idle on ac [14:45] and I'm letting sometime for half a day idleing [14:46] I'm not sure how that's supposed to work [14:46] if the code is buggy or the gconf description confusing [14:46] but it doesn't do what you describe in practice [14:46] seb128: I think that's because /apps/gnome-power-manager/timeout/sleep_computer_ac is set to 0 [14:51] didrocks, we don't set the sleep_ac_type though, it's coming from upstream no? [14:54] seb128: right. The only value we change in those is this sleep_type_battery set to "nothing" instead of hibernate. That's why I think we can at least set it to suspend as this is the default value for sleep_type_ac (just for the sake of consistency) [14:57] right [14:57] I'm trying to figure who changed that, when and why [14:57] did you look for that info? [14:58] seb128: I tried in the changelog but didn't find anything related to it. Double checking is always great [15:02] didrocks, sorry I'm in middle of gtk debugging with alex but I look at that with you next [15:02] seb128: sure, no hurry :) [15:02] vuntz, ok, alex has a gdk patch working [15:09] seb128: cool stuff [15:10] vuntz, it's always good to have somebody having the issue to IRC debug ;-) [15:10] vuntz, so I blamed you for nothing again it seems ;-) [15:18] vuntz, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/patch/?id=f96e51db46f2196707c0ea44a46f1d67f9a069d4 btw === robbiew is now known as robbiew_ [15:25] didrocks, the change seems to be there since dapper and I don't see a reason to keep it nowadays, feel free to drop it [15:25] didrocks, the change = the gconf-defaults 1 liner to set the type [15:25] we should probably stay on upstream default for those [15:25] seb128: ok, so let's stick with hibernate [15:26] I would be in favor of doing what upstream does yes [15:26] and to open an upstream bug and argue there if you think it should be changed [15:27] I agree, let me finish the default value testing stuff and I'll work on that [15:28] thanks === br_away is now known as bratsche [15:36] pitti, seb128: FYI https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/LucidReleaseStatus [15:37] Hi [15:37] davidbarth, thanks [15:39] I applied to the position for Gnome contractor that Jono Bacon posted on his blog, I've received an email from Alice Paul giving me hopes that I might get the job. I'd like to get a bit more details about what needs to be done if you don't mind. [15:44] hey strycore [15:44] jono, ^ [15:44] davidbarth, ^ [15:44] jcastro, ^ [15:45] strycore, one of those guys should be able to give specifics [15:45]