[00:00] <asac> going for a.u.c
[00:00] <asac> hopefully there were late a2 landings
[00:00] <asac> ok apt-get install -f fremoves two things that fix it hopefuly
[00:01] <asac> compiz-wrapper and libmetacity0 gone
[00:09] <asac> ccheney: ok. so hte hidden thing
[00:09] <asac> someone said we included stuff from old compiler or toolchain for arm last cycle, what was that?
[00:09] <asac> ccheney: ?
[00:09] <asac> is that gone?
[00:13] <asac> micahg: hi whats the status on tbird 3?
[00:13] <micahg> same, still need to add the targetted bugs and test
[00:14] <micahg> been finishing something for work
[00:15] <asac> ok.
[00:15] <micahg> asac: are we in a rush?
[00:15] <asac> are you doing the package rename?
[00:15] <micahg> yes
[00:16] <micahg> that's done, jsut needs to be tested
[00:16] <asac> well. i think we should get this up. if you push your branch i can finish that
[00:16] <micahg> or rather
[00:16] <asac>  push it somewhere
[00:16] <asac> i can review
[00:16] <micahg> k, well, it's thunderbird
[00:16] <micahg> not thunderbird-3.0
[00:16] <micahg> I migrated it in
[00:16] <asac> so its up?
[00:16] <micahg> not yet
[00:16] <micahg> I'll try to finish tonight...
[00:16] <micahg> and push up for review
[00:17] <asac> ok. but dont refrain from pushing to the branch because its not ready
[00:17] <asac> its ready
[00:17] <asac> err the branch is dead otherwise
[00:17] <micahg> k
[00:17] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.dev ?
[00:17] <micahg> yep
[00:17] <asac> hmm
[00:17] <micahg> oh
[00:17] <asac> thats not existing
[00:17] <micahg> wait
[00:18] <micahg> I think I moved it
[00:18] <micahg> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.head
[00:18] <micahg> yep
[00:18] <asac> kk
[00:18] <micahg> ok, so I should just push up once I confirm it works?
[00:18] <asac> yes
[00:18] <micahg> k
[00:18] <asac> well push now
[00:18] <asac> i can take a look already
[00:18] <micahg> ok
[00:18] <asac> ;)
[00:19] <asac> probably helps me to understand how much work it is ;)
[00:21] <micahg> asac: pushed
[00:22] <micahg> I still have to clean up the changelog as well
[00:22] <asac> cleanup? generate?
[00:22] <asac> thats ok
[00:22] <micahg> no, stuff's in there
[00:22] <asac> i can check the bzr commits
[00:22] <micahg> it just needs to be cleaned
[00:31] <micahg> asac: BTW, we have 2 langpack bugs in lucid
[00:31] <micahg> actually one is Lucid/Karmic
[00:34] <asac> which one is in karmic?
[00:34] <asac> tbird langpacks?
[00:34] <micahg> no, apparently, the FR langpack is still brokenb
[00:34] <asac> for firefox
[00:34] <asac> ?
[00:34] <asac> fr?
[00:34] <micahg> yep
[00:34] <asac> what symptoms?
[00:35] <micahg> same as before, entities
[00:36] <asac> i dont know about thta
[00:36] <asac> ;)
[00:36] <asac> whats the bug number?
[00:36] <asac> entities can be everything
[00:36] <asac> but what i dont believe that fr can be badly broken.
[00:36] <micahg> well there's at least one
[00:37] <micahg> bug 472327
[00:37] <asac> i would have received direct bugging ...
[00:37] <micahg> idr if fr is broken in karmic
[00:37] <asac> thats not fr ;)
[00:37] <asac> ok
[00:37] <asac> lucid is normal to be broken
[00:37] <asac> we have devmode again. someone needs to fix the po2xpi transformer
[00:38] <asac> hmm. thought ast was whitelisted
[00:38] <micahg> someone just reported a broken fr: bug 507404, but I don't know if it's the langpack
[00:38] <asac> maybe a bug
[00:38] <micahg> then there's bug 502932
[01:14] <Bashar> hey all, how can i upgrade to thunderbird 3 on karmic 9.10 ?
[01:14] <Bashar> im here https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/ but not sure how to start
[01:15] <micahg> Bashar: that's a daily build
[01:15] <micahg> it will install thunderbird 3.0 side by side with 2.0
[01:15] <micahg> there's no official upgrade yet
[01:15] <Bashar> i'm having serious problem since i moved from 8.10 to 9.10 now my 2.0 thunderbird can't stay online for more than 5 minutes, it will segfault
[01:16] <micahg> Bashar: try with a clean profile
[01:16] <Bashar> i've been suffering for the past week without a solution
[01:16] <micahg> one of your extensions might be causing it
[01:16] <Bashar> but even on -safe-mode its segfaulting
[01:16] <micahg> try thunderbird -ProfileManager
[01:17] <Bashar> i have mor ethan 20GB worth of data can't start clean profile
[01:17] <micahg> Bashar: do you have lightning installed?
[01:17] <Bashar> yes
[01:18] <micahg> Bashar: from ubuntu or addons.mozilla.org?
[01:18] <Bashar> i removed tunderbird and reinstalled it without lightning same issue
[01:18] <Bashar> from ubuntu
[01:18] <micahg> hmmm
[01:18] <micahg> can you file an apport bug?
[01:19] <Bashar> it doesn;t work automatically always timeout at the end
[01:19] <Bashar> i'm trting to upload the file i found at /var/crash/
[01:19] <Bashar> its taking forever to upload it
[01:19] <micahg> ah
[01:19] <Bashar>  Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[01:19] <Bashar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/500321
[01:20] <micahg> you were the one who asked about glib...
[01:20] <Bashar> yes thinking its from it
[01:20] <Bashar> i forced version 2.22 still same issue
[01:20] <Bashar> so it clearly not glib issue
[01:20] <Bashar> went to 2.22 uninstalled TB, reinstalled same issue
[01:21] <micahg> that's probably not causing it
[01:21] <Bashar> yeah seems not
[01:21] <micahg> I ran TB2 under karmic for more than a month with no issues
[01:21] <Bashar> my colleague does too no issues
[01:21] <micahg> well, try a new profile to see if it crashes
[01:21] <Bashar> the difference i did is i tried to move to TB3 then tons of issues happened (running from the profile folder)
[01:21] <micahg> or have you tried disabling all the extensions?
[01:22] <Bashar> so i went back to ubuntu's install using the same profile
[01:22] <Bashar> and it seems this is what caused it
[01:22] <Bashar> something related to v3 is saved somewhere in the file or so
[01:23] <micahg> yeha, you shouldn't use the same profile for both
[01:23] <sleepycoder> Anyone know how to allocate an nsAString from a plugin?  I tried nsEmbedString, but it requires external symbols such as NS_StringContainerInit.  I'm not sure if I need to use that and link to some lib or use something else?
[01:24] <micahg> there are instructions on the PPA page how to add it, but you should be aware that it's dailies
[01:24] <Bashar> i *think* i didn't because i did a copy first, but i'm assuming i did a mistake and worked on the not copied version
[01:24] <Bashar> so if i download linux version 3 tarball from mozilla website thats stable version? better than the dailies ?
[01:25] <micahg> well, I have the release version built in my beta PPA, but it's still called shredder
[01:25] <Bashar> what does shredder mean?
[01:25] <micahg> Bashar: https://launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/mozilla-beta
[01:25] <micahg> shredder is the codename
[01:26] <Bashar> please excuse my experience, whats the difference between this one and the one from mozilla's tarball ?
[01:26] <micahg> Bashar: functionally, nothing, our version uses Ubuntu's libraries where possible
[01:27] <micahg> and is managed in the apt repository
[01:28] <micahg> Bashar: I'll tell you how to get a gdb backtrace...
[01:29] <Bashar> ok
[01:29] <micahg> here's the path to the binary /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird
[01:29] <Bashar> i started newer profile and added one of my file
[01:29] <Bashar> yes
[01:29] <Bashar> i found it
[01:31] <micahg> if you can attach a full gdb backtrace, that might help
[01:32] <Bashar> what/how todo gdb backtrace
[01:32] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[01:45] <Bashar> its surely a profile issue
[01:45] <Bashar> the newly created profile for my email and another account still up and running
[01:45] <micahg> k
[01:45] <Bashar> this is a major issue now
[01:46] <Bashar> how d o i copy mail emails, mailboxes, passes, settings without copying the crashed thing :(
[01:46] <micahg> it should be in the Mail profile in the profile
[01:46] <micahg> settings idk
[02:00] <Bashar> just Mail folder ?
[02:00] <Bashar> nothing else ?
[02:00] <micahg> that's where the local mail is
[02:01] <Bashar> but smtp/pop/passwods/digital certificate/thunderbird settings, all these will be gone ?
[02:01] <micahg> yes
[02:01] <micahg> ImapMail also has stuff
[02:01] <micahg> prefs.js
[02:01] <Bashar> cant afford that
[02:01] <Bashar> my entire business relay on email
[02:02] <micahg> well, you can try the tb3 which makes a copy
[02:02] <micahg> from my ppa
[02:02] <Bashar> and create new profile and point it to the same folder ?
[02:02] <micahg> Bashar: no, it'll do it for you
[02:02] <micahg> you can see if it works
[02:03] <micahg> otherwise, maybe try the upstream version since that might have been what corrupted it
[02:03] <micahg> as in the profiles aren't necessarily compatible
[02:03] <Bashar> whats different between urs and the daily builds ?
[02:04] <Bashar> yours is the stable release from mozilla source ?
[02:04] <micahg> they're both from mozilla source
[02:04] <micahg> mine was the release version unbranded
[02:04] <micahg> the daily changes when upstream 3.0 development branch changes
[02:09] <micahg> Bashar: I have to go, any last questions, I'll be back in about 2 hrs or so
[02:10] <Bashar> ill add it to apt source and install and see how it goes :)
[02:10] <Bashar> thanks for the help
[02:10] <micahg> np, come back if you need anything
[02:44] <Bashar> starting Shredder gives this error: Component returned failure code: 0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND) [nsIXMLHttpRequest.send]
[03:02] <Bashar> never mind seems worked
[03:02] <Bashar> thanks
[05:30] <micahg> asac: I'm test building TB3, I'll talk to you in the morning
[09:49] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[09:49] <mattmac> asac: ping
[09:49] <mattmac> sorry missed your chat yesterday
[09:49] <mattmac> don't have logging turned on for this server
[09:52]  * mattmac increases his scrollback size
[09:53] <BUGabundo_work> ehe
[11:24] <fta> BUGabundo_work, can you block that viagra guy?
[11:25] <BUGabundo_work> who??
[11:25] <fta> http://identi.ca/fta/all  3 out of the last 4
[11:28] <fta> can't figure out how to do that with the web interface
[11:28] <fta> too cluttered
[11:28] <BUGabundo_work> fta: go to his profile and press block?
[11:28] <fta> and now, it's in french for me, but i don't understand those translations
[11:29] <BUGabundo_work> humm
[11:29] <BUGabundo_work> your timeline is clear!
[11:29] <BUGabundo_work> whats wrong with it?
[11:29] <BUGabundo_work> fta: change to english
[11:29] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[11:30] <BUGabundo_work> i've flagged his profile for review by admins
[14:09] <asac> hi micahg
[14:09] <micahg> hi
[14:09] <micahg> so, TB didn't build
[14:09] <asac> still same issue?
[14:09] <micahg> no, this was my merged version
[14:09] <asac> merged
[14:09] <asac> ?
[14:09] <asac> ah
[14:09] <asac> ok
[14:09] <micahg> I forgot the man page apparently
[14:09] <asac> i know
[14:09] <asac> micahg: if you have the build tree you can go in there
[14:09] <asac> change stuff in debian/
[14:09] <asac> and do debuild -nc
[14:10] <asac> to test stuff without a full rebuild
[14:10] <asac> thats usually the right way to develop stuff in debian/
[14:10] <micahg> k
[14:11] <asac> micahg: you deleted the -3.* files and then added the files without -3.0, right?
[14:11] <micahg> if I do 2>&1 | tee on the debuild command will it give me the whole log?
[14:11] <asac> if you had used bzr mv for that
[14:11] <micahg> yes
[14:11] <asac> i could have checked the diff easily
[14:11] <micahg> or rather
[14:11] <micahg> no
[14:11] <asac> ?
[14:11] <micahg> I renamed them
[14:11] <asac> using bzr mv?
[14:11] <micahg> no
[14:11]  * micahg didn't know about bzr mv
[14:12] <asac> right. you should have used that
[14:12] <micahg> now I know for the next merge
[14:12] <asac> yeah.
[14:12] <asac> i will probably redo that commit if you don thav etime
[14:12] <asac> its much easier to review if you missed something etc.
[14:12] <asac> but maybe i will not ;)
[14:12] <asac> TBD
[14:13] <micahg> I did this before you showed me about the merge stuff actually
[14:13] <asac> ok.
[14:13] <micahg> maybe I should go back and do it right
[14:13] <asac> maybe i will do everything
[14:13] <micahg> but it'll be much later
[14:13] <asac> right
[14:13] <asac> i tried it
[14:14] <asac> i can do it
[14:14] <asac> and copy your stuff
[14:14] <asac> will take me 1h
[14:14] <micahg> should I push the rest of the fixes
[14:14] <asac> sure
[14:15] <asac> whatever you have ;)
[14:18] <BUGabundo_work> fta: asac: http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2010/01/forum-fonts.html
[14:18] <micahg> is stacking the updates per file  in the changelog ok, or filename after each change?
[14:18] <micahg> like I have 2 updates to debian/control
[14:19] <micahg> can I do * Update 1\r\n* Update 2\r\n - update debian/control?
[14:20] <fta> BUGabundo_work, so what?
[14:21] <BUGabundo_work> so nothing
[14:21] <BUGabundo_work> just leting u know
[14:21] <BUGabundo_work> dont kill the messenger
[14:27] <asac> micahg: if its two different changes to the same file you can have two changelog lines
[14:27] <asac> its fine to have more than one bullet point for one file
[14:27] <asac> if thats the question
[14:27] <micahg> k
[14:27] <micahg> yes
[14:27] <micahg> also, is debcommit in that situation ok?
[14:27] <micahg> or do I need to show the file
[14:28] <asac> micahg: well
[14:28] <asac> you can have
[14:28] <asac> * this was done
[14:28] <asac>   - update control
[14:28] <asac> * and this was done
[14:28] <asac>   - update control
[14:29] <asac> so no need to merge the entries
[14:29] <asac> so debcommit should just work (TM)
[14:29] <micahg> ah, that's what I was wondering...
[14:29] <asac> right
[14:29]  * micahg must have misunderstood
[14:29] <micahg> will uncommit :)
[14:29] <asac> i guess most likely i mistalked ;)
[14:29] <asac> too
[14:29] <micahg> asac: also, is the way I did the bug closes ok?
[14:30] <asac> not sure ;)
[14:30] <asac> the syntax for contribution markings is a bit different though:
[14:30] <micahg> yep
[14:30] <micahg> I'm fixing that now
[14:30] <asac> [ Alex Sutter <asac@ooco> ]
[14:30] <asac> at least the whitespaces
[14:30] <micahg> does that need a separate commit?
[14:30] <asac> before and after name
[14:31] <asac> micahg: i will replay with merge and stuff anyway, so just get it up somehow
[14:31] <asac> bzr merge and mv ;)
[14:31] <micahg> oh, I didn';'t know we need a spave before the name
[14:31] <asac> not sure we need, but its the standard and looks ugly if not
[14:35] <micahg> asac: was I supposed to write the man page?
[14:36] <asac> no
[14:36] <asac> there was a manpage, wasnt there?
[14:36] <asac> thats in the old tbird 2 package
[14:36] <asac> you can resurrect that
[14:37]  * micahg wondes how he lost that...
[14:37] <micahg> *wonders
[14:37] <asac> you removed all files from debian/ first
[14:37] <asac> didnt you?
[14:37] <micahg> no
[14:38] <asac> was it really in tbird 3 branch?
[14:38] <micahg> I see the file, I must not be installing it properly...
[14:38] <asac> probably
[14:38] <micahg> hmm
[14:38] <micahg> the file isn't there...
[14:38] <asac> needs to be in debian/thunderbird.docs
[14:39] <asac> or even thunderbird.manpages
[14:39] <micahg> yeah, it says thunderbird.1
[14:39] <micahg> I just can't ifnd the file
[14:40] <asac> micahg: it wasnt in the 3.0 branch
[14:40] <micahg> heh
[14:40] <micahg> I found it
[14:40] <asac> so that needs to be kept from the 2.0 branch
[14:40] <micahg> it's generated from sgml
[14:40] <asac> also in teh past we generated it from sgml
[14:40] <asac> yeah
[14:40] <asac> so it might have slipped through
[14:41] <micahg> yep
[16:01] <fta> crimsun, when mplayer/lucid starts, it now shows a bunch of "bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111)"  what is that? bt as in bluetooth?
[16:29] <mattmac> asac: sorry, your previous comment scrolled out of my buffer before I saw it
[16:29] <mattmac> what version should I use to build Prism?
[16:30] <asac> the one that we use? 1.9.1?
[16:30] <asac> try that
[16:30] <asac> if not go for 1.9.2
[16:31] <mattmac> no I mean which Ubuntu version
[16:31] <mattmac> I'm building on top of 1.9.2 btw
[16:31] <mattmac> should I build on the very latest greatest Ubuntu or are users of older versions gonna to be missing libraries or something?
[16:32] <asac> mattmac: build on the lowest ubuntu version you want to support
[16:32] <asac> otherwise you cannot use it in older versions
[16:32] <asac> e.g. use hardy
[16:32] <mattmac> ok fair enough
[16:32] <asac> if you want it to have chance to work everywhere
[16:32] <mattmac> thanks... hardy sounds good to me
[16:32] <asac> also use 1.9.1
[16:32] <asac> otherwise it wont work on ffox 3.5
[16:32] <asac> only 3.6
[16:33] <mattmac> why's that?
[16:33] <asac> same reason as why you need to build for hardy
[16:33] <asac> if you biuld for xulrunner 21.9.2 it wont work on 1.9.1
[16:34] <mattmac> even if I ship all the libraries with it?
[16:34] <mattmac> all the XULRunner libraries I mean
[16:34] <mattmac> that's what I do on other platforms
[16:35] <asac> yes
[16:35] <asac> well no
[16:35] <asac> you cant do that
[16:35] <asac> you should ship a .xpi or a minimal webapp
[16:35] <asac> if you try, maybe it works, but we cant help you on that
[16:35] <asac> ;)
[16:36] <mattmac> alright well I just package it like the previous release and we'll see what happens
[16:36] <mattmac> 3.6 is supposed to be out soon anyway
[16:37] <asac> what do you mean by: "package it" ... in .debs?
[16:39] <mattmac> it's a bz2 file
[16:39] <mattmac> just a zip of the binary directory
[16:49] <asac> kk
[18:24] <fta> crimsun, strangely, since today's upgrade, my sound regressed
[18:51] <fta> asac, metacity?
[19:14] <asac> i had lastlog in desktop to grab the link ;)
[19:14] <asac> and thought we talked there
[19:15] <asac> anyway off
[20:41] <gnomefreak> what happened to the old file manager? it is now called PCMan File Manager 0.5.2?
[20:41] <gnomefreak> is this something i installed or new file manager?
[20:44] <fta> something you did, mine is still nautilus
[20:45] <gnomefreak> fta: ok thanks
[21:16] <gnomefreak> freenode is changing :(
[21:19] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: to what?
[21:20] <gnomefreak> sevens
[21:20] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: http://freenode.net/seven-for-hyperion-users.html
[21:21]  * gnomefreak needs to update my scripts soon
[21:55] <crimsun> fta: regressed in what sense? I know about the pacmd poll() issue.
[21:57] <fta> crimsun, sdl is taking 100% cpu like in karmic (it was fine yesterday) and gives a much slower experience (probably due to syncs) but i hear no gliches (like in karmic)
[21:58] <crimsun> fta: ah.
[21:58] <crimsun> well, I need to back out one commit, so I'll roll another package tonight after chasing the pacmd bug.
[22:03] <gnomefreak> crimsun: is there a way to enable system beep? i removed the blacklist entry and still not happening but on power down system beep works
[22:04] <crimsun> gnomefreak: I don't know what you mean by system beep, which is unfortunately pretty ambiguous
[22:05] <gnomefreak> crimsun: the "system beep" the beep/ping from pcskr(or something spelled like it)
[22:07] <crimsun> as in the massive libgnome bug?
[22:07] <gnomefreak> pcspkr
[22:07] <crimsun> need to run now, back later
[22:07] <gnomefreak> crimsun: not sure. the only one i found is trying to disable it
[22:17]  * ccheney managed to get all of the easy to copy bits done, now have to determine how to copy the get_type parts
[22:18] <ccheney> is up to ~ 2100 lines now
[22:55]  * gnomefreak forgot how entertaining bugs can be :)
[22:55] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:00] <gnomefreak> its better than tv. people arguing about should be be open or closed but not arguing so much on the bug itself
[23:02] <BUGabundo> asac: is it possible to make notify-osd work over an app in full screen?
[23:04] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: see bug 375272