[01:10] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [01:10] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [01:10] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [01:10] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [01:25] we'll see if rejohn can actually have a conversation [01:53] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [01:54] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [01:54] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [01:54] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [01:56] Bleh [01:57] Blarg [01:57] * genii slides MenZa a coffee (or rum and coke, whichever you prefer) [01:58] :D [01:58] I'll go for max caffeine at this point, thanks :) [01:58] Coffee it is! [01:58] \o/ [01:59] My roommate likes to have rum and Jolt Cola sometimes :) [01:59] I'm in a query with imran right now to sort things out. [02:02] ubottu: tell imran about coc [02:02] ubottu: tell imran about guidelines [02:04] MenZa: I kicked but not ban him just now [02:04] Complete refusal to comprehend the problem, ended with a major swear storm and profanities in my direction [02:04] Im done chatting in off topic you fuck [02:04] Frustration mostly, probably [02:55] Mamarok: You attending Camp KDE? [02:56] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [02:56] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [02:56] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [02:56] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [02:58] I'm surprised they don't spell Campm with a K ;) [02:58] *Camp [03:03] genii: I thinK they Kanned that Kustom a Kouple of years ago. [03:04] Flannel: This is the first I heard of this camp :( I would have signed up to go [03:10] genii: It's in my back yard! [03:10] I'm not going though, since I'd only be able to go for the weekend, so no use wasting a slot for people who'd get more out of it. [03:12] I'll see if I can't crash it one of the weekend days htough, that's talks, so it's a non-excludable good [03:12] Bleh. I woulda taken a week off work, bussed it in from Toronto [03:22] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [03:22] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [03:22] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [03:23] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [03:25] lag? [03:46] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [03:46] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [03:46] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [03:46] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [04:33] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [04:33] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [04:33] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [04:35] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [04:35] Stupid bots [04:37] IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu (brandon-) [04:39] Hehe, brandon thinks highly of you Flannel :) [04:40] We need to reunite some of our regulars with their ability to type things that aren't factoids. [04:43] what on earth was that. [04:50] that was someone's response to me asking, providing reason, then telling outright that "rape" is not to be used as a general "bad thing" indicator. [04:52] They definitely escalated with "nazi" and "niggardly" etc [04:53] well yes, i referred to godwins to explain the logic of minimalisation, and he decided that he could dismiss it all completely with talk about white people stomping on black folk's slur reclaiming of "nigger" [04:55] oh, and apparently we english folk don't know the meanings of our own words because nazi, a german word, is hebrew for prince and hence can't possibly be a bad thing because look, it's hebrew. because... um... violent criminal political parties never misuse words in their party names, do they. [04:56] * genii makes a nice soothing kettle of tea [04:56] can i pour it on my problems? [04:56] elky: That'd scald [04:57] well yes, this is part of the desire. [04:57] elky: Maybe wait til it steeps and gets drinkable-temp [04:57] * mneptok boild a kettle of sulfuric acid and memory inhibitors for elky [04:57] genii: I think it's elky that'll be doing the steeping [04:58] My sentiment was basically... not to let those guys get to you so much, it's not worth it really [04:58] Flannel, steeping a human might require more than a single kettle. [04:58] genii, oh, i'm just explaining for when he comes in to be a poopyhead about why i kicked him for trolling me. [05:04] i wonder, is it possible for ubottu or floodbots to trigger on someone being kicked and send them the guidelines factoid? [05:05] hi [05:05] may I please be unbanned from ubuntu-offtopic [05:05] ? [05:08] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) [05:09] what the hell are the floodbots doing [05:09] I believe it's from -unregged? [05:09] * Flannel hasn't checked, just assumes. [05:14] Flannel [05:14] can u unban me please [05:15] heh [05:15] hello - how many active people are here? [05:15] me [05:16] blueberryoam_: Hi, how can we help you today? [05:16] I'm just trying to help everybody out [05:16] interested in finding out what happens? [05:16] Flannel - you were in the room I was in earlier [05:16] new2Ubuntu here was banned for using the word rape [05:16] and I was banned [05:16] new2Ubuntu: Hold on a minute and we'll be able to help you. [05:16] thank you flannel [05:16] English isn't his first language though [05:16] and i apologize for being extremely frustrated and angered [05:17] So it's not really his fault [05:17] blueberryoam_, it's much better if you don't participate. it's between new2Ubuntu and the ops here [05:17] blueberryoam_: I'm sure he can explain this for himself, is there something you need today? [05:18] okay, I'll leave. Icguess my work here is done. [05:19] I would feel more comfortable if the discussion was taking place here in the room and not in "PM" [05:20] this channel is logged, as is #ubuntu. [05:20] does anyone here speak Igbo or Nsa [05:20] I'm assuming no [05:21] are "PM" between channel ops and other users logged as well [05:21] I did save conversation between Ms. Draper and myself [05:24] new2Ubuntu, you ought to give a full and proper explanation of the incidents [05:25] I would prefer you not talking to me - if you presume that I am not inflamed by your insensitivity then you are truly ignorant of the inherent problem [05:25] now, as I understand it - chat rooms are logged - so what is the question [05:26] is it why I feel that the use of the word "rape" is ok even when someone is upset about a context that it can be used in? [05:27] or is it that I am told about a rape culture in a self-rieghtous way and then banned [05:27] I use NO profanity [05:27] I was causing NO problems in the chat [05:27] I was being civil and jovial and in fact helping others when I could while recieving instruiction myself [05:28] now if you are telling me that the word RAPE is not to be used - why is there no list with words who would bother someone due to cultural insensitivity [05:29] when I type the word rape - there is no bot warning me of innapropriate langauge usage [05:30] I am assuming there is some form of communication taking place at this moment which I am not privy to. It would be nice if an ops other than Ms. Draper would respond to me [05:32] new2Ubuntu: my guess is that most people are reading logs to understand the full context. what channel was this? [05:32] #ubuntu [05:33] new2Ubuntu: A remark like: "I wouldn't want to let google be a nazi and rape all my valuable and delegated searching minutes by giving me niggardly responses" after already being asked to stop using the word "rape" in of itself appears as an escalation [05:33] and it wasn't very much to read through - there is also the matter of the "PM" between myself and Ms. Draper [05:33] I find especially "niggardly" offensive [05:33] again - cultural sensativity [05:34] i recall learning at university of a politician from the united states who used the word niggardly correctly and was persecuted for it [05:34] genii: there is no offense to be taken from the word "niggardly" [05:34] thank you [05:34] genii: it has no relation to the epithet "nigger," and derives from Old English. [05:35] I am rather disappointed and frankly quite upset at the level of ignorance with regards to english words being used in an english chat room [05:35] new2Ubuntu: however, comparison of almost anything to the horrific and totalitarian regime of National Socialism is in extremely poor taste. [05:35] which in the matter iof 3 minutes gets someone banned who was - at NO point causing ANY disturbance in the chat room [05:37] I believe that banning someone from a room for using a word that in neither banned nor vuulgar - to be in line with the beliefs of the national socialist party that was in power in the german empire during world war 2 [05:37] new2Ubuntu: not to mention that you deliberately, and with forethought malice and an intent to provoke, directed statements at elky that are well outside of the acceptable behavior for the channel. [05:38] 21:42 < new2Ubuntu> I wouldn't want to let google be a nazi and rape all my valuable and delegated searching minutes by giving me niggardly responses [05:38] 21:43 < new2Ubuntu> and yes that was for elky [05:38] ^^^ you picked a fight. you lost. ^^^ [05:38] yes - showing yet another instance where the use of the word is not only viable but tasteful and relevant [05:39] there's no problem with the word "niggardly." however, there IS a problem with trivializing rape and comparisons to National Socialism. [05:40] Where in the IRC guideline is that stated? that National Socialism and Rape are banned words, topics, or ideas? [05:40] the fact that there is a problem with trivializing rape and comparisons to Naziism is not a subject up for debate. [05:40] the usage of the word rape was to plunder [05:41] so use the word "plunder" [05:41] since you obviously are familiar with it. [05:41] the problem is that you have many peple who do NOT speak english as a native language - and you have connotations for words that are deemed inappropriate - yet nowhere are those uses posted or made available [05:41] and it appears to be at the whim of individuals [05:41] the use of the word "rape" was designed to aggravate an already tense situation with elky. you were being deliberately provocative. [05:41] rape 4 letters [05:42] and to deny this will cause me to end this discussion, as i do not like my intelligence belittled. [05:42] why do I have to use words that are not vulgar or inappropriate because someone judges them simply on a single definition - this is like president of United States Clinton defining was IS is [05:43] I am not belittling anyones intelligence [05:43] I have a feminist woman complain about the usage of the word Rape and I get banned while trying to get assistance [05:43] you are if you deny trying to provoke elky by using the word "rape" again. [05:44] how do I provoke - there were other users telling me that rape was a bad word to someo people [05:44] be an adult and admit to it. [05:44] heh, you say feminist like it's a bad thing [05:44] so i explain it was for elky? [05:45] feminism IS a bad thing when one is so wrapped up in it - that it upsets someone when the word RAPE is used in a proper context [05:45] fine. i'm done with you. perhaps someone else would like to listen to your prevarications and feeble justifications. it will not be me. good day. [05:45] really, "rape"'s primary definition is unwelcome sexual contact. using it in facetiously is just as offensive as using "gay" to mean "stupid" [05:46] i suppose you never considered that someone could be upset by the word "rape" not because of feminism but because they themself may be a rape victim? [05:47] gay means full of cheer [05:47] primary usage [05:48] the biggest problem is that if you look at my context it was not of a sexual nature [05:48] and was thus the wrong word to use [05:48] is there a list of words that are not to be used in english speaking channels? [05:48] and if not - is there a bot that can let someone know to not use rape in that context [05:49] new2Ubuntu, actually "full of cheer" was the first attempt at reclaiming a slur. [05:49] elky you are misinformed [05:49] you should learn of the etemology of your english words [05:49] as we had to do [05:50] do you know the Nsa word for rape and the word for rapeweed are not even close to eachother [05:50] etymology [05:50] only one person was offended by my usage and that was yourself [05:51] which is why people here are defending my decision? i think not. [05:51] in a roomfull of people - you were the only one offended [05:52] to me that seems like the problem is your issue with rape [05:52] and that to me would seem to be a personal one [05:52] In ubottu, iflema said: !forget sound [05:52] people here are defending you because you are all ops and I pissed one of you off [05:52] I didn't expect to have anything change - but i was hoping for fairness [05:52] we dispute each other all the time [05:53] new2Ubuntu: I think you're not going to get anywhere today. Even having english as a second language doesn't give you a free pass to be inflammatory. [05:53] someone here had to explain that my usage of the word niggardly was perfectly acceptable because another did not understand the word and was offended by it [05:53] same instance with rape [05:53] flannel we were both in the room [05:54] i'll defend "niggardly." i will not defend "rape." think on that. [05:54] was i being in any way a disturbance or causing any problem ? [05:54] no and when I said rape did you or any other op have a problem [05:54] I do not recall [05:54] new2Ubuntu: If elky had been a few seconds later, I would've kicked you instead of her. [05:55] how can you be so loose in your choice of definitions for one word and not another [05:55] you said nothing to me flannel [05:55] new2Ubuntu: So yes, you were causing a disturbance. [05:56] wouldn't the prudent thing to publicly ask nicely to not use the word and when I respond about using it properly you respond in kind saying be as it may - you would prefer me to not use said word? [05:56] new2Ubuntu: The line you said that was going to get you kicked wasn't an accidental or casual usage, as such, no warning was needed. [05:56] when Ms. Draper says in chat about people not talking about assault in the room but "pm" it is o.k. - to me that is threatening language [05:56] new2Ubuntu: Again, you're not going to get anywhere tonight, I suggest you come back in 48 hours. [05:57] I am asking for clarification about the usage of words [05:57] new2Ubuntu: And I'm telling you that you'll be able to ask again in 48 hours. [05:57] especially for words such as Gay, rape, i remember the professional athlete using "sloppy seconds" [05:57] new2Ubuntu: may i say that i have a problem with the use of the word "rape" to mean anything other than actual rape? it trivializes rape. it tells rape victims "your pain is only so bad as " and that is not ok [05:58] Maco - I am sorry you feel that way - what percentage of your country deals with rape - you can come to mine and see how you feel about it. [05:58] here most women have been raped [05:58] new2Ubuntu: Again, you're done for the night. Come back later in two days. [05:58] and many of the men [05:58] and that is not ok [05:59] Mmm, should've typed out a reason. [05:59] heh [05:59] i'm pretty sure the reason is clear [05:59] Yeah, but it saves someone from having to hit 'log' in BT [05:59] and he knows why what he did is bad, that's why he tried to send a human shield [05:59] this is true [06:00] i must say, i still find it creepy when folks refer to me on irc by honorific surname [06:10] If someone just said "I don't want nazis to rape me" I'm sure it would be offensive to most [06:16] * genii makes coffee [06:18] * mneptok just finished some decaf [06:18] mneptok: My doctor has me decaf. Horrid. [06:57] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood) === SportChick is now known as essy === essy is now known as SportChick [07:13] Flannel: no, not attending, the US is a bit far away for me [07:30] good morning [08:20] User BriGe is spamming a link in #ubuntu, apparently disconnecting after each go. [08:22] thanks [08:58] uh-oh [08:58] [10:57] < arand> UbuntuN00B: Try "fsck -fy /dev/sda#" (where # is number of the partition ubuntu is installed to) [08:59] isn't -fy a bit... forceful? [09:00] yup, if it can destroy data, it will [09:00] no caring [09:00] mounted partition -> all data lost [09:02] ahh, -fy, the equivalent of closing your eyes and wailing on your keyboard till its done, so safe. [09:03] ye [09:03] the internets are broken today [09:05] OH GOD [09:05] [11:04] < arand> UbuntuN00B: hang on, don't do the fsck, seems like the FS is mounted in this state [09:05] [11:04] < UbuntuN00B> running e2fsck [09:05] *FAIL* [09:05] yikes [09:05] UHOH [09:05] * Myrtti facepalms, painfully [09:05] * Tm_T hides [09:05] perhaps he managed not to use -fy... [09:05] but it won't run at all then [09:06] you cannot check mounted drive without force [09:06] or so I have learned it [09:07] christel: thanks (: [09:07] bwuh [09:14] so Myrtti... gonna come visit? [09:15] jussi01: let me get my back in a condition I can sit close enough to my laptop to see what I'm buying from VR [09:15] *g* === Daviey__ is now known as Daviey [10:50] ikonia: when you're done with auto_bleh, could I have a look so I can implement the same stuff to my aliases and redistribute a new version to those that prefer aliases instead of scripts? [10:53] yes please [11:22] !test [11:22] yes, I'm alive. [11:26] !no [11:26] Hvis du vil diskutere på Norsk, vennligst gå til #ubuntu-no. Takk! [11:26] heh [11:27] !no, test is hrm? [11:27] I'll remember that jussi01 [11:27] !test [11:27] hrm? [11:27] aww ingen diskusjon paa norsk tilatt? :p [11:28] meh [11:28] I can't get up without getting a cramp in my thigh [11:33] takk! [11:35] * jussi01 waves to christel [11:36] christel: ingen, tack [11:36] * Tm_T tries to find his dictionary [11:36] oh, right, it's right here, just need coffee to get it running (: [11:38] :) [11:38] christel: christel... /me waves hand furiously in the air... :D [11:39] so what part of the intarwebs did who ban? [11:40] (don't worry, not expecting the answer :P) [11:41] jussi01: I seriously hate your address. Neither google maps or 02 can find it [11:41] oh yipppee!! [11:41] Myrtti: hrm? [11:41] google maps has it [11:41] give coordinates [11:50] could someone smack the floodbots? someone that actually knows what they are doing? [11:50] "over thar past rajakylä" [11:50] "here be reindeer" [11:53] Bacta, hi [11:53] Hello bazhang [11:54] Before I go into what I was saying may I ask if you're Chinese? [11:54] Bacta, not really important is it? [11:54] Was just curious about your nick [11:58] Bacta: how goes it? [11:58] Hi jussi01 [11:59] Bacta: so what can we help you with today? [12:00] Wondering about my ban in #ubuntu-offtopic [12:00] Bacta: have you been good? [12:00] I think I have although others are perfectly welcome to bring things up if they like [12:01] Bacta: Im not really comfortable removing it as I havent the information, so I am going to leave this for ikonia or elky. [12:01] If elky wants to discuss this I would be happy with that [12:02] Bacta: depends if she is around. [12:02] * jussi01 needs to go, laters all [12:02] baibai [12:02] elky: You about? [12:05] I'd rather stay out of this. i don't particularly feel like having promises to me be broken at this point in time [12:07] elky: I feel like I've grown out of trolling [12:08] It's no fun and it annoys people [12:10] you said this exact same thing to me the last time you "out grew" trolling. you then betrayed all my guidance [12:10] yeah well frankly i'm just at a point now where i have better things to do than trolling [12:11] i'm not going to beg to be unbanned but i will say that you'll get no crap from me henceforth [12:11] and what then when you get bored? [12:11] Myrtti: When you're working 50+ hours a week you're too tired to get bored [12:12] you were working those sorts of hours during your last relapse too [12:12] Bacta: what then when you don't work 50+ hours a week? [12:12] I don't see that happening Myrtti [12:12] *sigh* [12:13] I've also got the resemblance of a social life somewhere and have a number of code projects i work on as well as some other contracting on the side [12:14] but the thing is that if i ever do get bored i find stuff to do and that doesn't involve trolling [12:14] i'm tired of it, as much as you all are [12:15] good to hear [12:16] also got given my cloak back so that suggests to me that Freenode don't see me as an issue anymore [12:16] and lets get this straight, i was causing them some significant grief and work in the past [12:17] well as you are not asking to be unbanned, was there some other issue you wished help with? [12:17] i would like to be unbanned [12:18] bazhang, he's asking. "not begging" [12:18] don't think that is going to happen based on a single instance of you promising to be good, considering your history Bacta [12:19] have i caused any issues in #ubuntu that you know of? [12:19] tsimpson: thanks [12:19] or any of the loco channels? [12:19] Bacta, you came in saying you were not going to beg... [12:19] you've obviously never seen someone like me beg on irc before .. [12:20] Bacta, and as the answer is clearly 'No', really no way forward at this point [12:20] so what's the plan? [12:20] nobody has ever told me what's going to happen with this ban [12:20] bazhang, it's a no from me personally, not speaking for everyone. [12:20] none that I know of [12:21] i just don't want to deal with the expenditure of energy that the last ... respite required. [12:21] elky, I agree with your view as to a single say-so is not sufficient at this point [12:21] you see if i knew what was happening/going to happen i wouldn't need to come in here and be a bother [12:21] Bacta, then take a good long break from visiting here [12:22] you see there's not much else i can give you beyond my word [12:23] but it's clear that for certain people my word is never going to be enough despite anything that may happen in the future [12:23] Bacta, well as that (your word) is clearly not sufficient at this point, there really is no way forward [12:24] Bacta, it's not 'certain people' [12:24] who is it? [12:24] all people? [12:25] Bacta, all the operators are tasked, as volunteers, to help the ubuntu channels run smoothly [12:25] and i appreciate what they do [12:25] i had an interesting conversation with one today at work [12:26] great [12:26] but anyway, have a chat to the ops in either #ubuntu-vn or #ubuntu-nz , i've frequented both for the previous 6 months and have never caused a problem [12:26] that's all really [12:27] ok [12:27] Bacta: you might like to come back when ikonia is available if you like to talk with him [12:27] are you aware of him being unavailable? [12:28] he's not active in this channel right now [12:28] well he's idle over 2hours [12:28] probably at work or a healthy hobby like gym [12:29] ah ok [12:29] i'll give him a bell in an hour or so [12:29] otherwise it'll have to wait until tonight [12:29] sounds like a plan [12:30] see you later [12:30] bye [12:30] Bacta: bye and thanks for your cooperation [12:30] np :) [12:31] ops, does anyone have any last-minute feature requests for the floodbots before i feature freeze so i can make them work with Seven? [12:31] or rather, freeze period [12:31] LjL: perfect timing you have [12:31] do i [12:31] yup, Bacta just left [12:32] bacta = troll right? [12:32] seems like the channel has revolving door system going [12:32] ha [12:32] FIFO [12:32] you should make an #ubuntu-ops-queue :P [12:32] hi jrib [12:32] *snerk* [12:33] hey LjL [12:34] "please hold, all our customer service personnel are currently busy. To hasten your service, please /msg ubottu ops1 for discussing your ban to be lifted, /msg ubottu ops2 for someone harassing on a channel..." [12:34] [12:34] hehe [12:34] oh, *i* would like that [12:35] press ops3 if you want to complain that #ubuntu is too busy [12:35] "...and remember, you are not a number to us. You are 4th in the queue, a customer service operator will be with you as soon as one is available." [12:35] "thank you for your patience. all our customer service personnel are currently busy. Did you know that #ubuntu-ops services approximately 8 cases a day, each taking up to 20-60 minutes of time to solve." [12:35] ...and at that point I would get you all to coffee break [12:35] "please hold" [12:36] "*click* We're sorry, a netsplit has caused your call to disconnect from the operators. Please, reconnect and try again." [12:36] HAHAHAHAH *rofl* [12:36] Myrtti: would be lovely if queue ahead would get longer and longer everytime user tries to hurry it up [12:37] Tm_T: i have a bot ready for that already [12:37] i just need to change the trigger from "is karmic out yet?" to "is it my turn?" or something [12:37] and ascii art captchas? [12:37] LjL: ye [12:38] jrib: yes! [12:38] jrib: no, wait, no. [12:38] unicode captchas [12:38] so people will learn to run proper utf-8 [12:38] of course, we should try and redirect as many people to an online form instead of trying to contact us for real [12:38] of course [12:38] many as possible* === Pici` is now known as Pici [13:02] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f77937f60 [13:03] thanks [13:05] Tm_T: did you check if those bans were something that you *should* remove? [13:06] Myrtti: I remember both, other was some quitmessage issue from week or more ago, other is recent hit'n'run paste [13:06] ok. [13:06] neither big issue [13:06] atleast not in my records (: [13:17] hi [13:17] Hello, i guess there is a phishing against ubuntu.com, can i speak with an admin? [13:18] could you tell a bit more so we could tell a bit better if this is an issue we can solve? [13:18] it's packages.ubunut.com [13:19] they speak about ubuntu, appear like ubuntu, but just change the url :S [13:19] and on the website, just speak about ubuntu but not ubunut [13:19] it's strange no!!? [13:21] Korigan: have you checked who owns the domain? [13:21] yes, it's hide [13:21] considering it's the same IP as packages.ubuntu.com... [13:21]