[01:25] <pting> this is probably totally preference, but where would you guys mount an EBS device in amazon's EC2? a directory in /mnt or a directory in / ?
[01:26] <twb> pting: what does FHS 2.3 say?
[01:26] <twb> IIRC it says that /media is for removable media, and /mnt is for temporary sysadmin mounts.
[01:27] <twb> Personally, I would typically (ab)use /srv/<type of service> or even just /srv, since Debian Policy requires that packages leave that directory alone.
[01:29] <pting> twb, i see. thanks. i've never read the FHS docs before.. i'll read through it. thanks.
[01:29] <twb> It's only a couple of pages.
[01:30] <twb> The wikipedia article is probably easier to read, though
[01:30] <pting> cool
[03:46] <pting> how do i apt-get install mysql server without having it prompt for a root password? i'm using puppet to deploy these things and it's failing because of the password prompt
[03:51] <twb> pting: pre-seed the answer.
[03:59] <pting> twb, thanks. i couldn't seem to figure out the right term to google for
[04:00] <twb> pting: apt-get install installation-guide, read the appendices
[04:00] <twb> pting: also debconf-[gs]et-selections
[04:01] <pting> twb, awesome, thanks
[04:12] <imrazor1> Anybody here ever get Ubuntu up as a WAP/firewall/router?
[04:33] <Elad> I am trying to restart apache and am getting the following error: * Restarting web server apache2
[04:33] <Elad> (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80
[04:33] <Elad> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[04:33] <Elad> Unable to open logs
[04:33] <Elad>    ...fail!
[04:33] <Elad> any ideas?
[04:35] <qman__> Elad, find out what else is bound to 0.0.0.0:80, use netstat or your favorite tool
[04:36] <qman__> because it also erred opening the log file, it's probably another apache process that wasn't started with the init script
[04:36] <qman__> find out what process it is and kill it off
[04:37] <Elad> when I do ps aux|grep apache, there are a couple of apache things running, should I kill them off
[04:37] <Elad> ?
[04:38] <qman__> if you don't need it running, yes
[04:38] <Elad> wow, thanks for the prod
[04:38] <qman__> then try restarting the apache process
[04:38] <Elad> I killed them and now it works
[05:02] <NDNWebmaster> good evening everyone
[05:05] <NDNWebmaster> so I am happy to be building my first ubuntu web server and was wondering if anyone had any pointers
[05:06] <NDNWebmaster> im not sure if i should try hosting my own dns or depend on a service like dyndns for that
[05:06] <NDNWebmaster> i just finished my server install..i have so far run update and upgrade
[05:07] <NDNWebmaster> also during install i let the installer install dns/lamp/openssh/apache2
[05:11] <NDNWebmaster> so no server gurus with any pieces of advice out there?
[05:29] <osmosis> NDNWebmaster, what do you want to know?
[05:30] <osmosis> NDNWebmaster, general pointers?  read docs
[05:30] <osmosis> NDNWebmaster, help.ubuntu.com/community  is your friend
[05:30] <DasEi> NDNWebmaster: crossposting.. , see topic, also
[05:30] <osmosis> NDNWebmaster, id proably go with hosted dns
[05:30] <twb> !anyone > imrazor1
[05:33] <imrazor1> Does anyone know why i get this error when starting hostapd?
[05:33] <imrazor1> Failed to create interface mon.wlan0.
[05:33] <imrazor1> nl80211 driver initialization failed.
[05:38] <pradalvr> I need to configure my phh.ini file on Ubuntu
[05:38] <pradalvr> php.ini
[05:40] <pradalvr> and i don't know how
[05:44] <leftyfb> pradalvr: you've already been given the answer in #ubuntu on EFNet even though you actually already know the answer.
[05:45] <pradalvr> leftyfb: do you have to .. you were the one who told me to come here and ask
[05:46] <pradalvr> go play with ferro
[05:46] <leftyfb> for general help with server related issues. Not ones that have already been answered.
[05:46] <pradalvr> i didnt ask in here
[05:46] <leftyfb> 12:00AM <pradalvr> this is why i need to be here... damn it .. i am getting a Could not save the file /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini.  because of permissions
[05:46] <leftyfb> 12:00AM <plytro> did you sudo edit it?
[05:46] <leftyfb> 12:00AM <leftyfb> pradalvr: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[05:46] <leftyfb> Jan 15 00:20:17 <pradalvr>	i tried to get my cousin to say Sudo and she cried
[05:52] <marshall> i've created a folder at /var/svn, and a group called 'devs' and added myself to it. I've changed the group for /var/svn to 'devs' and added write privileges to group on /var/svn. for some reason it says that i dont have permission to create folders in there. any idea why?
[05:54] <leftyfb> marshall: did you log out and back in after adding yourself to another group?
[05:56] <marshall> leftyfb: oh, thanks
[06:05] <pradalvr> strange how men love helping out other men.. oh well, i don't care.. I normally figure this all out on my own anyway
[06:07] <ScottK> pradalvr: I find that a remarkably odd comment.
[06:07] <pradalvr> not me
[06:09] <ScottK> We I've no idea what your gender is.  From what was copied from the other channel, I think leftyfb is right, you've had your question answered.
[06:19] <pradalvr> do i just add "bind-address = 127.0.0.1" anywhere on the my.cnf?
[06:21] <ScottK> I don't know.  Sorry.
[06:22] <pradalvr> thats what i am talking about... strange
[06:22] <pradalvr> will you ever get a girlfriend? doubt it
[06:27] <cnp2001> hi
[06:28] <cnp2001> i have setup dns server on ubuntu 9.04 i need some help in regards with using dydns with the same is this the appropriate place to ask for the same
[06:29] <ScottK> pradalvr: You have probably been treated roughly in other places but that kind of unpleasantness is not appropriate here.  If you want to go talk to other women about it, I suggest you try the #ubuntu-women channel where they try and encourage women to get involved in Ubuntu.
[06:30] <ScottK> Maltreatment elsewhere does not give you the right to speak to me that way.
[06:30] <leftyfb> ScottK: she might be actually looking for help, but once she gets going she's a troll
[06:31] <ScottK> leftyfb: That's not particularly helpful either.
[06:34] <pradalvr> thank you ScottK
[06:34] <pradalvr> Btw... wants to jump up and down.. i fixed it
[06:36] <ScottK> Congratulations
[06:36] <pradalvr> thanks.. i shocked myself
[06:40] <pradalvr> all i simply asked in the other channel was... how can i configure the php.ini file using Ubuntu.. here also.. all anyone had to type was gksudo gedit /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini   in the terminal. things can not be changed by going to the file like in Microsoft..
[06:41] <pradalvr> conversation over .. instead, i decided to give my opinion about creating a game for little girls to learn the Ubuntu command line
[06:41] <ScottK> I'm glad you worked it out.
[06:41] <ScottK> The answer was also in what was pasted.
[06:42] <pradalvr> then i was banned because my idea seemed stupid
[06:42] <ScottK> From #ubuntu?
[06:42] <pradalvr> no.. i would've had to read threw a bunch of things
[06:43] <pradalvr> yes on efnet
[06:43] <ScottK> Sometimes the help you get is like that.  I'll often give people a hint that will help them learn more than the precise answer for the precise issue.
[06:43] <ScottK> I see.
[06:43] <ScottK> You might find that idea is precisely on topic in #ubuntu-women.
[06:44] <pradalvr> why?
[06:44] <pradalvr> because women give birth and father take off
[06:44] <pradalvr> father
[06:44] <pradalvr> s
[06:44] <ScottK> Because the purpose of that project is to work on getting more inovled in Ubuntu.
[06:44] <ScottK> I think something like what you are suggesting would fit with that goal.
[06:45] <pradalvr> for the women?
[06:45] <pradalvr> and not the men
[06:45] <ScottK> There are both women and men in there, but the men that are there are supportive of their goals.
[06:45] <ScottK> It's mostly women.
[06:45] <pradalvr> smart guys
[06:45] <pradalvr> they know where to go
[06:46] <ScottK> I'd encourage you to visit.
[06:46] <pradalvr> are you there
[06:46] <ScottK> Yes
[06:50] <pradalvr> am i a troll ScottK
[06:52] <ScottK> pradalvr: You were more hostile than we like here when you arrived, but I would not go that far.
[06:52] <ScottK> Good night.
[06:52] <gnac> I still can't seem to get grub to install (9.10).  I'm getting an error that "The 'grub' package failed to install into /target/."
[06:52] <gnac> I tried grub 2 and legacy grub.
[06:52] <pradalvr> thankyou.. probably after being banned
[06:52] <gnac> twb: I don't have any LVM or raid in use.
[06:52] <twb> gnac: context, please
[06:53] <gnac> two lines up: 22:52:09 < gnac> I still cant seem to get grub to install (9.10). ...
[06:53] <twb> gnac: why are you telling me?
[06:54] <gnac> I asked this question last night, and you responded, but by that time I had called it a night.
[06:54] <gnac> 23:40:47 #ubuntu-server: < twb> gnac: one easy way would be if you confused its module auto-detection by placing /boot on LVM on RAID
[06:55] <twb> Ah.
[06:55] <twb> gnac: is the installer still running?
[06:55] <twb> gnac: if so, switch to vt2 and copy the contents of /proc/mounts somewhere, then pastebin it.
[06:56] <gnac> k one sec.
[06:57] <gnac> http://pastebin.com/d6f4e4aa7
[06:58] <gnac> fwiw, I found option in the advanced installer to let me do most of the install over ssh.  I have two ssh sessions open to the server, one the installer, one a simple shell
[07:00] <gnac> oh, I guess I take that back about the raid (on /) but I tried it last night with a monolithic non-lvm partitioning scheme and had the same problem.
[07:00] <twb> gnac: you're using ext4.  Does grub support that?
[07:04] <gnac> twb: yep, all of my other sabayon and gentoo systems are using /ext4 for /boot and /.  It didn't use to, but it has for a little while now.
[07:05] <twb> gnac: are they running the same version of grub?
[07:07] <gnac> what question does 9.10 use?  FWIW, when I did my test run last night, I let ubuntu pick the partitioning etc and it defaults to one partition on / with ext4
[07:09] <gnac> I'm using grub-0.97 here.  I tried the "legacy" (non grub 2) install as well.  both grub and grub 2 failed.
[07:12] <gnac> I could always continue without a boot loader, boot into a gentoo live cd, then install grub into the MBR from the live cd, at least to see if it works.
[07:14] <twb> gnac: grub 0.97 *is* grub legacy
[07:15] <twb> I'd be very surprised if grub legacy supports ext4 at all
[07:17] <gnac> I'm speaking to you from a computer with grub legacy and ext4 on /boot
[07:17] <twb> gnac: does tune2fs -l report that ext4 features are actually in use on that /boot?
[07:18] <twb> Also, #grub can help with grub-2
[07:18] <gnac> twb: So I should clarify, the computer I'm typing on, is a sabayon install with grub 0.97 and ext4.
[07:18] <gnac> the ubuntu-server installer failed on both grub-2 and grub install.
[07:18] <gnac> Which version of legacy grub does ubuntu server use?
[07:19] <twb> http://packages.ubuntu.com/grub-legacy
[07:19] <gnac> IIRC, my kubuntu netbook also uses grub and ext4
[07:19] <twb> http://packages.ubuntu.com/grub, maybe
[07:20] <gnac> karmic uses .97 as well
[07:24] <gnac> bah, now the installer is asking me to insert the cd again.  I never took it out.  I unmounted it and remounted it, but I cant get out of this screen.  i.e. neither <continue> or <go back> works.
[07:24] <gnac> Perhaps I'll try again tomorrow .
[08:02] <alkisg> How can I do what "language-selector" does from the command line? I.e., what are the needed packages for complete support for some language?
[08:02] <alkisg> E.g. sudo apt-get install language-pack-el language-pack-gnome-el language-pack-kde-el language-support-el openoffice.org-l10n-el
[08:02] <alkisg> (or is that kde-l10n-el instead?) Anything missing there?
[08:16] <twb> Noble: the recommended solution is KVM
[08:16] <twb> Noble: but there are lots of virtualization techniques, and most would work
[08:19] <Noble> Say I need max 3 servers
[08:19] <Noble> Could I use virtualbox
[08:19] <Noble> or is that a bad idea?
[08:21] <twb> You could use virtualbox, yes.
[08:21] <twb> However, Ubuntu recommends KVM.
[08:21] <Noble> I see. Follow me on this.
[08:22] <Noble> The host is also gonna be a workstation, for echonomical reasons.
[08:22] <Noble> Then, would virtualbox, or KVM be the best?
[08:22] <Noble> Virtualbox is not recommended because of the non GPL extensions, or is there something else?
[08:24] <twb> Well, KVM is also endorsed by Linux and (via libvirt) Red Hat.
[08:24] <twb> I personally don't approve of virtualbox because the *existence* of proprietary components indicates the project isn't committed to being a good FOSS citizen.
[08:25] <twb> It also seems oriented toward deployment on single-user-laptop rather than the headless multi-user servers I care about.
[08:26] <Noble> Do you know if its possible to import virtual machines between for instance KVM and Virtualbox?
[08:26] <Noble> twb, i see
[08:29] <simplexio> vbox is probably best when you want get virtual desktop and features needed in that
[08:30] <simplexio> when talkin about virtualizationfor server quests, then there is Xen which has lost lately to kvm
[08:31] <Noble> how will it work to connect to a deamon running on a virtual machine?
[08:32] <Noble> I'm planning to move the MS SBS 2008 install to a virtual machine
[08:32] <Noble> Is that an issue?
[08:39] <jiboumans> good morning folks
[08:45] <twb> Noble: dunno, I don't do Microsoft.
[08:45] <twb> Neither KVM nor (I think) Virtualbox will care what kind of OS is being virtualized.
[08:46] <twb> Xen, VMWare Server and OpenVZ *do* care, but I don't know if they support Microsoft products.
[08:46] <da65> I noticed on my server that the Bind dns server is not running and it will not start, any ideas?
[08:47] <twb> Of course, if your SBS server is exporting its display over RDP, you don't *need* to ever display its "local" screen, so KVM would be perfectly adequate
[08:47] <da65> having probs with websites resolving correctly so I guess this the problem
[08:47] <twb> da65: did you look at the log files?  Did you turn on debugging?
[08:48] <da65> no and not sure will take a look
[08:48] <da65> its a fresh insall
[08:48] <da65> install even
[08:48] <twb> da65: that would depend on whether resolv.conf goes through your local bind service.
[08:48] <twb> da65: bind is not installed on a fresh install
[08:49] <da65> oh, it seems to be there but will not start, from Plesk control panel
[08:49] <twb> da65: then whatever plesk gives you is not standard
[08:50] <da65> is there a command to see if it is installed
[08:50] <simplexio> isnt vbox rdp feature in binary only version?
[08:50] <twb> simplexio: if the virtualized server exports RDP, then vbox wouldn't need to do anything
[08:51] <twb> Other than bridging/NATting the network, that is
[08:51] <twb> simplexio: I suspect you're confusing that with vbox providing its own RDP service to the virtual machine's physical keyboard/video/mouse
[08:52] <twb> s/physical/emulated/
[08:52] <twb> da65: there is.
[08:53] <simplexio> yeah. i know
[08:54] <simplexio> umm.. well ( ihavent used) but vbox has "own" rdp server i think, attleast there is conf in GUI, then like we all kno you can run anything what you want in quest. so that what i meant
[09:10] <twb> Contrariwise, qemu (kvm) has the ability to display the local screen/keyboard using curses, stdio or on new ptys
[09:11] <twb> For me, that is FAR FAR better than rasterizing the 80x25 head that I'm talking to.
[09:11] <twb> (Of course, you have to fight with gfxboot and grub-pc, but this is not too difficult.)
[09:15] <Birmaan> morning
[09:25] <soren> ttx: So... A name for the team that will own the regression test build? ubuntu-server-qa?
[09:25] <ttx> ah
[09:27] <ttx> soren: yes, that sounds perfect.
[09:27]  * ttx feels uncreative today
[09:30] <soren> ttx: Hm.. I want to make it open so as many people as possible can "subscribe" to the build failure e-mails from the ppa..
[09:30] <soren> ..but membership of the team (currently) implies ability to upload to the ppa.
[09:31] <ttx> hm hm
[09:31] <ttx> so you can't get the PPA email without the ability to break everything ?
[09:31] <soren> While I don't expect anyone to add this ppa to their sources.list, it still seems undesirable.
[09:31] <soren> Perhaps I'm making a big deal out of nothing. The possible impact is miniscule, I suppose.
[09:32] <soren> ttx: Hmm... Well.. Heh.
[09:32] <soren> ttx: I /could/ change the contact e-mail for the user in the team to that of the ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list, for instance.
[09:32] <ttx> would there be a way to add some gateway as a member ?
[09:33] <ttx> right
[09:33] <soren> AFAICT, the criteria for receiving the e-mails and for being able to upload are identical.
[09:33] <soren> ...except if we do the mailing list trick.
[09:33] <ttx> I suggest we do.
[09:35] <soren> Hm, hm..
[09:35] <soren> There's still an attack vector if someone really wanted to mess with things.
[09:35] <soren> Oh, no, there's not.
[09:35] <soren> my bad.
[09:35] <soren> Well, then we don't even need the team.
[09:36] <da65> all sorted, thanks.
[09:41] <soren> ttx: Darn it.
[09:41] <soren> This is always so tricky.
[09:41] <soren> ttx: Only one user or team can have a particular e-mail set in Launchpad. ubuntu-server already has ubuntu-server-bugs as its contact e-mail, so ubuntu-server-qa can't as well.
[09:42] <ttx> soren: and I'm sure it's a feature, not a coincidence :)
[09:43] <soren> Screw it, I'll just let people who care join ubuntu-server-qa.
[09:43] <soren> ttx: Yeah :)
[09:46] <soren> ttx: Done. https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-qa open for business.
[09:47] <soren> ttx: Should I just force-add canonical-server?
[09:47] <ttx> I want a funny badge.
[09:47] <ttx> that makes sense.
[09:47] <soren> Of course you do.
[09:48] <soren> Invitation sent.
[09:48] <soren> ttx: Only you and jiboumans can accept it these days.
[09:49] <ttx> looking
[09:49]  * jiboumans pushes ttx under the bus^W^W^W^Wvolunteers ttx
[09:49] <ttx> done
[09:50] <soren> Neat.
[09:50]  * soren triggers an upload.
[09:54] <maxagaz> hi, after changing /boot/grub/menu.lst, do i need to restart grub ?
[09:55] <soren> maxagaz: "restart grub" makes very little sense. grub is the bootloader. Anything you change in its configuration will only affect the boot process.
[09:56] <maxagaz> soren, ok, so i don't need to reload anything after making change in this this file, right ?
[09:56] <soren> maxagaz: You need to reboot to see the changes in effect (such is the nature of bootloaders), but otherwise, no.
[09:57] <maxagaz> soren, thanks
[09:57] <soren> maxagaz: Sure.
[09:59]  * soren likes it when PPA buildds aren't congested
[10:04] <soren> ttx: http://people.canonical.com/~soren/autotest-results/default/results.html
[10:04]  * soren runs a larger test battery
[10:06] <ttx> cool.
[10:06]  * soren glances at uvirtbot` 
[10:07] <da65> is there a ubuntu-server security alert mail list I can join, I just unsubscribed from Debian one?
[10:08] <da65> suprising how busy the Deb one was actually
[10:09] <jiboumans> soren++ sweet
[10:15] <da65> anyone running Boinc here?
[10:15] <soren> jiboumans: Making all those step files was rather tedious, but the result is pretty slick :)
[10:28] <ulaas> hi, member:what is the best way to assign eth0 name to any adapter i choose on 9.10
[10:43] <soren> ulaas: Look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[10:43] <soren> ulaas: If it's not immediately obvious what to do, just ask again.
[10:44] <ulaas> soren: is it the recommended way, or a hack only?
[10:44] <soren> ulaas: It's /the/ way.
[10:45] <soren> That is the authoritative definition of the device<->name mapping.
[10:45] <ulaas> thanks
[10:45] <soren> sure.
[10:47] <soren> ttx: Yay, first build failures trickling in.
[10:47] <soren> fsvo "yay".
[10:53] <Italian_Plumber1> I want to put this controller card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124023 in an old machine, Pentium III, running hardy.  Will I have problems getting ubuntu to "recognize" the card?
[11:02] <soren> Italian_Plumber1: Any particular reason you want that card?
[11:02] <soren> Italian_Plumber1: If it's because it does "RAID", don't bother.
[11:03] <Italian_Plumber1> I'm looking for a card under 25, mainly.
[11:03] <DasEi> Italian_Plumber1: prbly not, but check by the chipset /compare to known working models
[11:03] <soren> Italian_Plumber1: Is it because you've used up the existing connections in the system?
[11:03] <Italian_Plumber1> raid would be nice but just an added bonus really.  I'm only getting one HD to go with it.
[11:04] <soren> That card doesn't actually do RAID.
[11:04] <Italian_Plumber1> no it's because the existing system has no SATA ports
[11:04] <soren> Ok.
[11:04] <Italian_Plumber1> it doesn't do RAID?
[11:05] <soren> If it's less than $300, there's no way it actually does RAID.
[11:05] <soren> And at $300 it would be a steal.
[11:05] <soren> They say they do RAID, but all they really do is provide a BIOSy kind of looking frontend for configuring software raid.
[11:05] <Italian_Plumber1> heh... well if I wanted RAID I'd buy a real NAS, not try to make my own with old crappy equipment
[11:06] <soren> ..and let the OS read that information to actually do the raid thing on their behalf.
[11:06] <DasEi> Italian_Plumber1: if you just want sata, get an adaptor for it
[11:06] <Italian_Plumber1> an adapter isn't a PCI controller card?
[11:06] <soren> Hardware that actually does RAID is /expensive/.
[11:07] <Italian_Plumber1> yeah I knwo we have some at work
[11:07] <soren> Italian_Plumber1: You know.. At $16 I wouldn't even bother with research. I'd just buy the thing, plug it in, and see if it worked :)
[11:08] <soren> If not, it's probably a half decent door stop.
[11:08] <DasEi> Italian_Plumber1: no, they are cheaper and you can run sata on ide with that, but check size limits of bios for that
[11:08] <Italian_Plumber1> can you point me out an example?
[11:08] <DasEi> second
[11:09] <Italian_Plumber1> cause I had no idea that kind of thing existed
[11:10] <DasEi> http://tinyurl.com/yb8m3qf
[11:15] <DasEi> http://www.rexstone.de/_detail_40947.html  ,sorry, missed a line
[11:15] <DasEi> Italian_Plumber1: ^
[11:18] <Italian_Plumber1> yeah I would guess there's a bios limit on the machine of way less than 1TB, which is the size drive I wanna put in there.
[11:21] <DasEi> Italian_Plumber1: so a card will be the better choice, bringing own bios
[11:25]  * soren lunches
[11:33] <DasEi> Italian_Plumber1: one last . if you want to boot from it, also make sure that bios is capable of scanning ( least plgnPlay option)
[11:42] <Italian_Plumber1> no I won't be booting from it
[11:46] <DasEi> so should be no problem then, for compatability : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[11:46] <DasEi> Italian_Plumber1:
[12:31] <Italian_Plumber> wow.  there's only one SATA controller ther.
[12:37] <KTL2> i had a question. while formulating it i solved it. thanks. this is such a helpfull place.
[13:31] <Italian_Plumber> heh... and this will not go in my Abit BH6: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116025
[13:32] <Parabola> sup mario
[13:32] <Italian_Plumber> what kind of expansion slot IS that? :)
[13:32] <Italian_Plumber> 'sup, half-oval
[13:32] <Parabola> :)
[13:33] <Italian_Plumber> ...er... half-ellipse
[13:33] <Italian_Plumber> sorry
[13:33] <Parabola> its quite alright
[13:33] <Parabola> its also a song by TOOL
[13:33] <Parabola> so either response is acceptable
[13:36] <zul> morning
[13:38] <Italian_Plumber> Sorry.  Anything after "Nirvana" I've never heard of :)
[13:49] <acalvo> hi
[13:49] <acalvo> which is the default charset for ubuntu 9.04 and 9.10?
[13:49] <acalvo> UTF-8?
[14:02] <Italian_Plumber> when I run the latest openssl update on my desktop ubuntu, it tells me I need to restart.  There is no corresponding notice when upgrading the server.  Is this normal?
[14:03]  * zul shoots amazon in the head
[14:04] <zul> ttx: the amazon ec2 libraries doesnt have a license file
[14:04] <BrixSat> hello
[14:05] <BrixSat> what should be the permitions of user public_html so the apache and php can create folders inside and read files
[14:09] <BrixSat> i need users to upload files to their home and if in public_html apache needs to read the files and also php and it does happens permition denied or error 505 depending on the operation
[14:23] <sommer> BrixSat: you can try giving www-data group rwx on the directory
[14:23] <BrixSat> sommer with chown?
[14:24] <sommer> chgrp is what I usually use
[14:25] <BrixSat> but if i do that will the user have access using ftp to write and read fils
[14:26] <sommer> BrixSat: sure if the user owns the directory
[14:26] <sommer> you can have different owner and group permissions
[14:26] <BrixSat> nice :D can you give me a hint on the chgrp
[14:26] <sommer> sudo chgrp www-data /home/$user/public_html, or whatever the path is
[14:27] <sommer> basically the same as a chown
[14:28] <BrixSat> You don't have permission to access /~tiago/ on this server.
[14:28] <BrixSat> :/ i have the folder to 604 should it be 755?
[14:30] <sommer> BrixSat: you might try 775
[14:31] <sommer> that'd give the owner and group rwx and world rx
[14:32] <BrixSat> and if i want to deny world to rx only owner rwx and apache rwx and others none
[14:32] <BrixSat> is it 750?
[14:32] <sommer> yep, but you want the www-data group to have write so it'd be 770
[14:33] <BrixSat> ok :)
[14:33] <BrixSat> 770 wont work
[14:33] <BrixSat> i get an error
[14:34] <BrixSat> You don't have permission to access /~tiago/
[14:34] <Parabola> do 755
[14:34] <BrixSat> ok working
[14:36] <BrixSat> but if i upload a file using ftp i can edit it using apache and php going to see permiton on ftp server
[14:43] <BrixSat> nice :D
[14:50] <BrixSat> my octal mask in proftp is 022 should i change it also to 755 ?
[14:56] <jiboumans> ttx, smoser: use (sprint) ...
[14:57] <jiboumans> ttx: bluesprint?
[14:57] <BrixSat> no it is not correct i edited /etc/adduser.conf and added the EXTRA_GROUPS= www-data but still not working new user wont be able to view its public_www
[14:59] <BrixSat> my mistake a mising permition :p
[14:59] <BrixSat> working ok now :d
[15:03] <ttx> zul:  which libraries ?
[15:04] <zul> the php libraries from amazon should I talk to chunger to get amazon to add that?
[15:19] <refnumzx> trying to upgrade to ubuntu 9.10 during the do-release-upgrade console-setup freezes everything else seems to work except for the items that depend on console-setup. ideas?
[15:38] <ttx> zul: well, asking them to license their stuff properly can't hurt
[15:38] <zul> ttx: k ill bug chunger about it when he wakes up
[15:57] <refnumzx> trying to resolve this console-setup issue.  ubuntu-minimal depends on it, and it keeps on freezing.
[16:35] <zul> mathiaz: hey did you know that mario already converted mysql to upstart?
[16:36] <mathiaz> zul: I noticed that on the BP whiteboard - that's I know it
[16:36] <mathiaz> zul: I haven't seen the upstart job (neither how mario is)
[16:37] <zul> it looks sparse but i havent tried to run mysql on lucid yet
[16:38] <zul> still running the frigging testsuite
[16:38] <genii> refnumzx: Does: locale                  show LANG and LC_CTYPE     as set to something?
[16:44] <refnumzx> genii: yupen_us.utf8
[16:51] <soren> ?!?
[16:51] <soren> jiboumans: I'm assigned to this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-puppet-etckeeper-integration
[16:52] <soren> jiboumans: Is that intentional?
[16:52] <jiboumans> ?!?!?! soren: yes
[16:52] <soren> Fascinating.
[16:55] <possumguy> hey all, is it safe to set parameters via tune2fs on a mounted filesystem?
[16:57] <dasunsru1e32> not the best idea
[16:59] <possumguy> well after asking i found a mailing list entry from the almighty Theodore Tso saying it is safe. if im not back in 5, then my filesystems are fine. :P
[17:03] <TNorbut> Need help with an ACPI issue on boot.  acpi: i/o resource piix4_smbus [0x1040-0x10471]     conflicts with acpi region smb_
[17:05] <BrixSat2> . /home/aromacri/public_html/.htaccess: Options not allowed here  --> http://pastebin.com/f672ee374
[17:07] <Jeeves_> AllowOverride
[17:20] <ivoks> hi
[17:22] <ivoks> we are aware that lucid has significant regression in postgresql performance?
[17:22] <jiboumans> ivoks: i'm not part of that we at least
[17:23] <jiboumans> what's going on?
[17:23] <ivoks> kernel issue
[17:23] <ivoks> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_perf_regressions&num=1
[17:23] <ivoks> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_lucid_alpha2&num=3
[17:24] <jiboumans> sounds pretty bad -- good opportunity to file a kernel bug if we dont have one already
[17:28] <ivoks> apparently, this is the issue:
[17:28] <ivoks> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=5f3481e9a80c240f169b36ea886e2325b9aeb745
[17:29] <ivoks> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_perf_regressions&num=2
[17:29] <ivoks> ext4 is killing us
[17:29] <ivoks> maybe we should stay with ext3 as default for servers :)
[17:30]  * ScottK has exactly zero ext4 systems.
[17:32] <ivoks> eh, how about putting different defaults for server and desktop filesystems?
[17:37] <Sam-I-Am> i'm a fan of xfs
[17:37] <ivoks> me too
[17:37] <Sam-I-Am> been using it for 10 years now without any problems
[17:37] <Sam-I-Am> i think it was way too early for ubuntu server at least to adopt ext4 as the default
[17:46] <refnumzx> i was considering using ext4 on a media drive. what problems do we have with it?
[17:48] <refnumzx> i did a release-upgrade from jaunty to karmic console-setup is hanging on keymap install.  ubuntu-minimal and kbd are not installing because  of it. i want to be able to reboot into the new kernel.  advice? i have resarted all the consoles, made sure locale returns en-us.utf8, but no go.
[17:51] <Sam-I-Am> refnumzx: i heard it has issues with large files
[17:52] <TNorbut> Need help with an ACPI issue on boot.  acpi: i/o resource piix4_smbus [0x1040-0x10471]     conflicts with acpi region smb_
[17:52] <refnumzx> sam-i-am: large files? 2tb or 2gb?
[17:52] <Sam-I-Am> i think 500 mb
[17:53] <Sam-I-Am> although i heard that was fixed in an update, you'd need to search around the bug reports
[17:53] <refnumzx> hmm. well i don't have any files larger then that video/music. i like the snapshot features in ext4
[17:53] <ivoks> ext4?
[17:53] <ivoks> ext4 doesn't have issues with large files :)
[17:53] <zul> google is using it so everyone must use it
[17:54] <ivoks> not yet :/
[17:54] <zul> but but google!
[17:54] <ivoks> google doesn't use latest kernel probably
[17:56] <zul> ivoks: google!
[18:25] <ruben23>  hi guys, how do i mount cifs on windows client pc so i can see its share file or drive
[18:25] <ruben23> may puprpose actually is to copy a backup file form my linux server to windows client pc drive..
[18:42] <refnumzx> during an upgrade from jaunty to karmic, console-setup hangs during install. i have restarted tty1-6 and tried setup again. locales are configured properly, but it still fails.
[18:45] <genii> ruben23: Make sure smbfs is installed. Then like:  sudo mount -t cifs //x.x.x.x/sharename /local/mountpoint -o username=valid-windows-box-username         where x.x.x.x is the IP of the windows machine, sharename is what the Windows box is calling it's exported share, /local/mountpoint is the directory in your linux machine to mount the contents into, etc
[18:46] <genii> ruben23: man mount.cifs has much info on options
[18:58] <nikolaj_basher> Hi :D I have a problem with DAVical anyone who can help?? please
[19:37] <zul> mathiaz: can you look over server-lucid-improve-testcases real quick/
[19:39] <mathiaz> zul: right - what do you want feedback on?
[19:39] <zul> mathiaz: overall feedback would be good
[19:39] <mathiaz> zul: Need more feedback on Mathias ISO testcoverage?
[19:40] <zul> yep
[19:40] <mathiaz> zul: I think the list of test cases to be added is good
[19:41] <zul> sounds good to me
[19:41] <zul> thanks!
[19:44] <zul> mathiaz: can you add that to the whiteboard?
[19:44] <mathiaz> zul: sure
[19:54] <Skaag> Can LVM be used to create a Raid5 volume?
[19:54] <Skaag> or do I have to use the standard Raid physical partition?
[19:55] <neonfreon> make a regular raid device first and then lvm on top ofit
[19:55] <firekool> on ubuntu server I can not seam to install gnome-desktop get  Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[19:56] <Skaag> gotcha
[19:56] <firekool> after apt-get update get a can not find package gnome-desktop
[20:00] <mjeanson> firekool: usually means your apt mirror is not responding
[20:01] <mjeanson> or you are using a version of ubuntu that is not supported anymore
[20:02] <firekool> using ubuntu 9.10 default sources list
[20:02] <Skaag> hm...
[20:02] <Skaag> I created two partitions on each of the 4 drives
[20:02] <Skaag> one uses 99% of the drive, the second 1% for swap
[20:02] <Skaag> (resulting in 7.5gb of swap per drive)
[20:03] <Skaag> I set both partitions, on all 4 drives, to be physical device for raid
[20:03] <Skaag> now I went into lvm and setup volume groups, primary using the large 4 partitions on all 4 drives
[20:03] <Skaag> and another volume group called swap, that uses the smaller 4 partitions on those drives
[20:03] <Skaag> and lvm converted those partitions to 'lvm' type
[20:04] <firekool> thanks mjeanson your hint helped me figure out the issue
[20:04] <Skaag> so they can no longer be used for raid
[20:06] <firekool> silly me put the gateway address wrong
[20:06] <mjeanson> skaag: you will have to create a raid array first with mdadm, then create a volume group on top of that
[20:06] <kirkland> jcastro: yeah, he's aliguori in #ubuntu-virt
[20:07] <Skaag> I see
[20:12] <mjeanson> skaag: an interresting read: http://advosys.ca/viewpoints/2007/04/setting-up-software-raid-in-ubuntu-server/
[20:20] <Skaag> mjeanson: I have 4 drives, and I want raid 5, would you use 3 and make the fourth a hot-spare if you were me? :-)
[20:20] <Skaag> I can afford to sacrifice the space
[20:20] <mjeanson> then I'd go for it
[20:26] <pting> so i'm using puppet to deploy mysql on an amazon ec2 instance. how do i tell apt-get to not start mysql after installing?
[20:27] <pting> hum, maybe it's in one of the in one of the preseed questions or something...
[20:27] <Skaag> no it's not
[20:27] <Skaag> maybe you can create a file in /etc/default that tells it not to start automatically
[20:28] <Skaag> but I can tell you for sure it doesn't ask whether or not to start the instance
[20:28] <Skaag> at the very least it must start it to create the debian-sys-maint user
[20:29] <pting> Skaag, doh, ya.. i think im gonna have to do some custom script... i'm basically trying to puppet deploy it, but the datadir is pointed to a directory  that first needs to be mounted, but i want to ensure the owners of the directory is mysql:mysql, but i can't ensure that cause mysql user/group hasn't been created yet without first apt-get installing heh
[20:30] <Skaag> you can create them
[20:30] <Skaag> it will use them
[20:30] <Skaag> just make sure to use the right uid/gid for it
[20:31] <pting> oh, explicitly creating them.. i see.. ya should have thought about that first
[20:31] <Skaag> then you will be sure the permissions on your mount will persist
[20:31] <pting> cool, thanks
[20:32] <Skaag> mjeanson: ok so now I have two raid devices, one is 1.5TB, another is 15GB, and they both have LVM on them
[20:33] <Skaag> now I'm stuck not knowing how to get the first one to be the / partition, and the second one to be used as swap ;-)
[20:33] <mhall119|work> good afternoon
[20:33] <Skaag> this is all in the 9.10 server installer
[20:33] <mhall119|work> so I have a 9.04 server that's been running along like a champ, but I'd like to upgrade to 9.10 for some newer packages
[20:33] <mhall119|work> in desktop, you're supposed to use update-manager for upgrading releases
[20:33] <mhall119|work> is there is a similar something for ubuntu server?
[20:34] <Skaag> do-release-upgrade
[20:35] <mhall119|work> awesome, thanks
[20:35] <mhall119|work> anything I should be aware of before doing this?
[20:35] <mjeanson> do-release-upgrade -m server
[20:35] <mhall119|work> -m?
[20:36] <mhall119|work> ah, okay
[20:36] <mhall119|work> does the sandbox stuff work?
[20:38] <mjeanson> skaag: first, I would go with only one raid device with lvm on top
[20:46] <cab938> anyone running esxi?
[20:47] <cab938> got a quick question on management
[20:52] <Skaag> mjeanson: which means it can't be the root mount point
[20:52] <Skaag> So the way to go is a small raid ext4 or ext3 partition for /
[20:52] <Skaag> then an lvm partition for /home or /var
[20:53] <sub> cab938: I'm not running ESXi currently but I have in the past, what is your question?
[20:53] <mjeanson> skaag: I tough you were adding storage to an existing server
[20:53] <Skaag> nope this is a new install :-)
[20:54] <mjeanson> skaag: then you will need a normal partition out of lvm to boot
[20:54] <Skaag> but I can boot from a raid partition right?
[20:54] <mjeanson> sure
[20:54] <Skaag> with 9.10
[20:54] <Skaag> so i'll keep that for now
[20:54] <Skaag> it's too simple a server to make it complicated
[20:54] <mjeanson> not sure about raid5, I used nly mirror
[20:54] <Skaag> I mean the job it needs to do is rather simple and non-critical
[20:55] <Skaag> well we're about to find out :-)
[20:56] <mjeanson> I don't think grub can read from a raid5 partition
[20:59] <Skaag> hm.
[20:59] <Skaag> crapola.
[20:59] <Skaag> I'm screwed then.
[21:25] <Skaag> mjeanson: right it doesn't boot from raid5 :-)
[21:32] <Skaag> mjeanson: oh, ok, it somehow booted!
[21:41] <erichammond> pting: Did you figure out how to install mysql without starting the server?
[21:43] <erichammond> pting: I point out one way to avoid this in the comments on this article: http://alestic.com/2010/01/vmbuilder-ebs-boot-ami
[21:43] <erichammond> pting: Search for policy-rc.d
[22:02] <TimoH> Hi there! I spent most of my week to one of our projects from several servers (Apple XServe & Linux) into one VMWare Server 2.0.2 VM using Ubuntu Server 9.10 Server 64bit. Everything is working now, but the file systems are not unmounting properly on shutdown. On every startup I get msgs from fsck. Not sure where to start.
[22:02] <TimoH> (gpmpf, wanted to say "to move one of our projects...")
[22:04] <TimoH> I'm not up to date on linux, having spent most of the last years solely on Mac OS X Server, so please forgive me some basic questions.
[22:06] <TimoH> Let's start with this one: I cannot find out in which file I can find the messages displayed on console during boot-up (fsck, etc.). At least I couldn't find them in /var/log/** and dmesg also doesn't include them.
[22:09] <mjeanson> timoh: there is no bootlog in ubuntu
[22:10] <TimoH> ok, not good for copy&paste...
[22:10] <bogeyd6> TimoH, i got you
[22:10] <mjeanson> the best you get is /var/log/kern.log but it's only the kernel messages
[22:11] <bogeyd6> TimoH, its /var/log/boot
[22:12] <bogeyd6> TimoH, /var/log/dmesg is next
[22:12] <bogeyd6> TimoH, /var/log/fsck if related to that
[22:12] <TimoH> wait a minute, this dreaded vmware "web" console is not working nurrently... (argh)
[22:13] <guntbert> TimoH: mjeanson you can enable the boot log by editing /etc/default/bootlogd
[22:13] <bogeyd6> TimoH, you need to clear the browser cache and reopen the browser
[22:13] <bogeyd6> you are a lucky man, i just happen to be an ubuntu expert on vmware
[22:14] <TimoH> guntbert: Thanks. Changed and rebooting now.
[22:14] <guntbert> TimoH: Good luck :-)
[22:14] <mjeanson> guntbert: I'm pretty sure it's broken on hardy, not sure about newer versions
[22:15] <guntbert> mjeanson: maybe - but in newer versions it is disabled by default too - hence my hint :)
[22:17] <mjeanson> guntbert: yeah, the initscripts are provided by the initscripts package but the bootlog package doesn't exist
[22:18] <mjeanson> there are a lot of longstanding bootlog bugs in launchpad
[22:18] <guntbert> mjeanson: well in karmic there I have it
[22:20] <mjeanson> guntbert: I was reffering to hardy, good to know about karmic
[22:20] <TimoH> (have a local "emergency": daughther vomits, BRB, thx for your help)
[22:21] <bogeyd6> how polite
[22:21] <bogeyd6> we need more of that in the linux world
[22:48] <chmac> Does ext3 track the file creation time as well as the modified and accessed times?
[22:48] <chmac> Nope, found the answer... :-)
[23:23] <TimoH> ok, back in  business. anyone wants to swap memes for the last hour or so? I'm not so sure I want to keep mine...
[23:23] <TimoH> re: politeness in communities: Is it that bad in the linux universe? As mentioned before, haven't been "here" for a while....
[23:23] <TimoH> re: politeness in communities (again): If you want a real nice community, become a WebObjects developer. You'll be a bit lonesome, though.
[23:30] <mathiaz> soren: hey
[23:30] <mathiaz> soren: I'm forwarding you the emails related to puppet-etckeeper integration
[23:31] <TimoH> Ok, obviously no one from the previous conversation is online anymore. So let's try again:
[23:31] <TimoH> I installed Ubuntu Server 9.10 into a VMWare Server 2.0.2 VM.
[23:32] <TimoH> I haven't used Linux for quite a while, so I mostly went with the defaults during installation (LVN & ext4)
[23:33] <TimoH> Now that all of my apps are working fine, I have the problem, that the file systems are not unmounted cleanly on shutdown.
[23:34] <TimoH> And I have no idea where to start searching.
[23:34] <TimoH> Anyone?
[23:44] <soren> mathiaz: Thanks.
[23:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #508179 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (universe) "MySQL 5.0 install error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/508179