=== robbiew_ is now known as robbiew [00:26] New bug: #507728 in openldap (main) "man page missing for slapo-nssov" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507728 === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === robbiew is now known as robbiew_ === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [01:25] this is probably totally preference, but where would you guys mount an EBS device in amazon's EC2? a directory in /mnt or a directory in / ? [01:26] pting: what does FHS 2.3 say? [01:26] IIRC it says that /media is for removable media, and /mnt is for temporary sysadmin mounts. [01:27] Personally, I would typically (ab)use /srv/ or even just /srv, since Debian Policy requires that packages leave that directory alone. [01:29] twb, i see. thanks. i've never read the FHS docs before.. i'll read through it. thanks. [01:29] It's only a couple of pages. [01:30] The wikipedia article is probably easier to read, though [01:30] cool === DasEi1 is now known as DasEi === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [03:46] how do i apt-get install mysql server without having it prompt for a root password? i'm using puppet to deploy these things and it's failing because of the password prompt [03:51] pting: pre-seed the answer. [03:59] twb, thanks. i couldn't seem to figure out the right term to google for === DasEi1 is now known as DasEi [04:00] pting: apt-get install installation-guide, read the appendices [04:00] pting: also debconf-[gs]et-selections [04:01] twb, awesome, thanks [04:12] Anybody here ever get Ubuntu up as a WAP/firewall/router? [04:33] I am trying to restart apache and am getting the following error: * Restarting web server apache2 [04:33] (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 [04:33] no listening sockets available, shutting down [04:33] Unable to open logs [04:33] ...fail! [04:33] any ideas? [04:35] Elad, find out what else is bound to 0.0.0.0:80, use netstat or your favorite tool [04:36] because it also erred opening the log file, it's probably another apache process that wasn't started with the init script [04:36] find out what process it is and kill it off [04:37] when I do ps aux|grep apache, there are a couple of apache things running, should I kill them off [04:37] ? [04:38] if you don't need it running, yes [04:38] wow, thanks for the prod [04:38] then try restarting the apache process [04:38] I killed them and now it works [04:55] New bug: #506862 in apache2 (main) "Please merge apache2 2.2.14-5(main) from debian squeeze(main)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506862 [05:02] good evening everyone [05:05] so I am happy to be building my first ubuntu web server and was wondering if anyone had any pointers [05:06] im not sure if i should try hosting my own dns or depend on a service like dyndns for that [05:06] i just finished my server install..i have so far run update and upgrade [05:07] also during install i let the installer install dns/lamp/openssh/apache2 [05:11] so no server gurus with any pieces of advice out there? [05:29] NDNWebmaster, what do you want to know? [05:30] NDNWebmaster, general pointers? read docs [05:30] NDNWebmaster, help.ubuntu.com/community is your friend [05:30] NDNWebmaster: crossposting.. , see topic, also [05:30] NDNWebmaster, id proably go with hosted dns [05:30] !anyone > imrazor1 [05:30] imrazor1, please see my private message [05:33] Does anyone know why i get this error when starting hostapd? [05:33] Failed to create interface mon.wlan0. [05:33] nl80211 driver initialization failed. [05:38] I need to configure my phh.ini file on Ubuntu [05:38] php.ini [05:40] and i don't know how [05:44] pradalvr: you've already been given the answer in #ubuntu on EFNet even though you actually already know the answer. [05:45] leftyfb: do you have to .. you were the one who told me to come here and ask [05:46] go play with ferro [05:46] for general help with server related issues. Not ones that have already been answered. [05:46] i didnt ask in here [05:46] 12:00AM this is why i need to be here... damn it .. i am getting a Could not save the file /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini. because of permissions [05:46] 12:00AM did you sudo edit it? [05:46] 12:00AM pradalvr: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [05:46] Jan 15 00:20:17 i tried to get my cousin to say Sudo and she cried [05:52] i've created a folder at /var/svn, and a group called 'devs' and added myself to it. I've changed the group for /var/svn to 'devs' and added write privileges to group on /var/svn. for some reason it says that i dont have permission to create folders in there. any idea why? [05:54] marshall: did you log out and back in after adding yourself to another group? [05:56] leftyfb: oh, thanks [06:05] strange how men love helping out other men.. oh well, i don't care.. I normally figure this all out on my own anyway [06:07] pradalvr: I find that a remarkably odd comment. [06:07] not me [06:09] We I've no idea what your gender is. From what was copied from the other channel, I think leftyfb is right, you've had your question answered. [06:19] do i just add "bind-address = 127.0.0.1" anywhere on the my.cnf? [06:21] I don't know. Sorry. [06:22] thats what i am talking about... strange [06:22] will you ever get a girlfriend? doubt it [06:27] hi [06:28] i have setup dns server on ubuntu 9.04 i need some help in regards with using dydns with the same is this the appropriate place to ask for the same [06:29] pradalvr: You have probably been treated roughly in other places but that kind of unpleasantness is not appropriate here. If you want to go talk to other women about it, I suggest you try the #ubuntu-women channel where they try and encourage women to get involved in Ubuntu. [06:30] Maltreatment elsewhere does not give you the right to speak to me that way. [06:30] ScottK: she might be actually looking for help, but once she gets going she's a troll [06:31] leftyfb: That's not particularly helpful either. [06:34] thank you ScottK [06:34] Btw... wants to jump up and down.. i fixed it [06:36] Congratulations [06:36] thanks.. i shocked myself [06:40] all i simply asked in the other channel was... how can i configure the php.ini file using Ubuntu.. here also.. all anyone had to type was gksudo gedit /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini in the terminal. things can not be changed by going to the file like in Microsoft.. [06:41] conversation over .. instead, i decided to give my opinion about creating a game for little girls to learn the Ubuntu command line [06:41] I'm glad you worked it out. [06:41] The answer was also in what was pasted. [06:42] then i was banned because my idea seemed stupid [06:42] From #ubuntu? [06:42] no.. i would've had to read threw a bunch of things [06:43] yes on efnet [06:43] Sometimes the help you get is like that. I'll often give people a hint that will help them learn more than the precise answer for the precise issue. [06:43] I see. [06:43] You might find that idea is precisely on topic in #ubuntu-women. [06:44] why? [06:44] because women give birth and father take off [06:44] father [06:44] s [06:44] Because the purpose of that project is to work on getting more inovled in Ubuntu. [06:44] I think something like what you are suggesting would fit with that goal. [06:45] for the women? [06:45] and not the men [06:45] There are both women and men in there, but the men that are there are supportive of their goals. [06:45] It's mostly women. [06:45] smart guys [06:45] they know where to go [06:46] I'd encourage you to visit. [06:46] are you there [06:46] Yes [06:50] am i a troll ScottK [06:52] pradalvr: You were more hostile than we like here when you arrived, but I would not go that far. [06:52] Good night. [06:52] I still can't seem to get grub to install (9.10). I'm getting an error that "The 'grub' package failed to install into /target/." [06:52] I tried grub 2 and legacy grub. [06:52] thankyou.. probably after being banned [06:52] twb: I don't have any LVM or raid in use. [06:52] gnac: context, please [06:53] two lines up: 22:52:09 < gnac> I still cant seem to get grub to install (9.10). ... [06:53] gnac: why are you telling me? [06:54] I asked this question last night, and you responded, but by that time I had called it a night. [06:54] 23:40:47 #ubuntu-server: < twb> gnac: one easy way would be if you confused its module auto-detection by placing /boot on LVM on RAID [06:55] Ah. [06:55] gnac: is the installer still running? [06:55] gnac: if so, switch to vt2 and copy the contents of /proc/mounts somewhere, then pastebin it. [06:56] k one sec. [06:57] http://pastebin.com/d6f4e4aa7 [06:58] fwiw, I found option in the advanced installer to let me do most of the install over ssh. I have two ssh sessions open to the server, one the installer, one a simple shell [07:00] oh, I guess I take that back about the raid (on /) but I tried it last night with a monolithic non-lvm partitioning scheme and had the same problem. [07:00] gnac: you're using ext4. Does grub support that? [07:04] twb: yep, all of my other sabayon and gentoo systems are using /ext4 for /boot and /. It didn't use to, but it has for a little while now. [07:05] gnac: are they running the same version of grub? [07:07] what question does 9.10 use? FWIW, when I did my test run last night, I let ubuntu pick the partitioning etc and it defaults to one partition on / with ext4 [07:09] I'm using grub-0.97 here. I tried the "legacy" (non grub 2) install as well. both grub and grub 2 failed. [07:12] I could always continue without a boot loader, boot into a gentoo live cd, then install grub into the MBR from the live cd, at least to see if it works. [07:14] gnac: grub 0.97 *is* grub legacy [07:15] I'd be very surprised if grub legacy supports ext4 at all [07:17] I'm speaking to you from a computer with grub legacy and ext4 on /boot [07:17] gnac: does tune2fs -l report that ext4 features are actually in use on that /boot? [07:18] Also, #grub can help with grub-2 [07:18] twb: So I should clarify, the computer I'm typing on, is a sabayon install with grub 0.97 and ext4. [07:18] the ubuntu-server installer failed on both grub-2 and grub install. [07:18] Which version of legacy grub does ubuntu server use? [07:19] http://packages.ubuntu.com/grub-legacy [07:19] IIRC, my kubuntu netbook also uses grub and ext4 [07:19] http://packages.ubuntu.com/grub, maybe [07:20] karmic uses .97 as well [07:24] bah, now the installer is asking me to insert the cd again. I never took it out. I unmounted it and remounted it, but I cant get out of this screen. i.e. neither or works. [07:24] Perhaps I'll try again tomorrow . [08:02] How can I do what "language-selector" does from the command line? I.e., what are the needed packages for complete support for some language? [08:02] E.g. sudo apt-get install language-pack-el language-pack-gnome-el language-pack-kde-el language-support-el openoffice.org-l10n-el [08:02] (or is that kde-l10n-el instead?) Anything missing there? [08:16] Noble: the recommended solution is KVM [08:16] Noble: but there are lots of virtualization techniques, and most would work [08:19] Say I need max 3 servers [08:19] Could I use virtualbox [08:19] or is that a bad idea? [08:21] You could use virtualbox, yes. [08:21] However, Ubuntu recommends KVM. [08:21] I see. Follow me on this. [08:22] The host is also gonna be a workstation, for echonomical reasons. [08:22] Then, would virtualbox, or KVM be the best? [08:22] Virtualbox is not recommended because of the non GPL extensions, or is there something else? [08:24] Well, KVM is also endorsed by Linux and (via libvirt) Red Hat. [08:24] I personally don't approve of virtualbox because the *existence* of proprietary components indicates the project isn't committed to being a good FOSS citizen. [08:25] It also seems oriented toward deployment on single-user-laptop rather than the headless multi-user servers I care about. [08:26] Do you know if its possible to import virtual machines between for instance KVM and Virtualbox? [08:26] twb, i see [08:29] vbox is probably best when you want get virtual desktop and features needed in that [08:30] when talkin about virtualizationfor server quests, then there is Xen which has lost lately to kvm [08:31] how will it work to connect to a deamon running on a virtual machine? [08:32] I'm planning to move the MS SBS 2008 install to a virtual machine [08:32] Is that an issue? [08:39] good morning folks [08:45] Noble: dunno, I don't do Microsoft. [08:45] Neither KVM nor (I think) Virtualbox will care what kind of OS is being virtualized. [08:46] Xen, VMWare Server and OpenVZ *do* care, but I don't know if they support Microsoft products. [08:46] I noticed on my server that the Bind dns server is not running and it will not start, any ideas? [08:47] Of course, if your SBS server is exporting its display over RDP, you don't *need* to ever display its "local" screen, so KVM would be perfectly adequate [08:47] having probs with websites resolving correctly so I guess this the problem [08:47] da65: did you look at the log files? Did you turn on debugging? [08:48] no and not sure will take a look [08:48] its a fresh insall [08:48] install even [08:48] da65: that would depend on whether resolv.conf goes through your local bind service. [08:48] da65: bind is not installed on a fresh install [08:49] oh, it seems to be there but will not start, from Plesk control panel [08:49] da65: then whatever plesk gives you is not standard [08:50] is there a command to see if it is installed [08:50] isnt vbox rdp feature in binary only version? [08:50] simplexio: if the virtualized server exports RDP, then vbox wouldn't need to do anything [08:51] Other than bridging/NATting the network, that is [08:51] simplexio: I suspect you're confusing that with vbox providing its own RDP service to the virtual machine's physical keyboard/video/mouse [08:52] s/physical/emulated/ [08:52] da65: there is. [08:53] yeah. i know [08:54] umm.. well ( ihavent used) but vbox has "own" rdp server i think, attleast there is conf in GUI, then like we all kno you can run anything what you want in quest. so that what i meant === georg is now known as kwork [09:10] Contrariwise, qemu (kvm) has the ability to display the local screen/keyboard using curses, stdio or on new ptys [09:11] For me, that is FAR FAR better than rasterizing the 80x25 head that I'm talking to. [09:11] (Of course, you have to fight with gfxboot and grub-pc, but this is not too difficult.) [09:15] morning [09:25] ttx: So... A name for the team that will own the regression test build? ubuntu-server-qa? [09:25] ah [09:27] soren: yes, that sounds perfect. [09:27] * ttx feels uncreative today [09:30] ttx: Hm.. I want to make it open so as many people as possible can "subscribe" to the build failure e-mails from the ppa.. [09:30] ..but membership of the team (currently) implies ability to upload to the ppa. [09:31] hm hm [09:31] so you can't get the PPA email without the ability to break everything ? [09:31] While I don't expect anyone to add this ppa to their sources.list, it still seems undesirable. [09:31] Perhaps I'm making a big deal out of nothing. The possible impact is miniscule, I suppose. [09:32] ttx: Hmm... Well.. Heh. [09:32] ttx: I /could/ change the contact e-mail for the user in the team to that of the ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list, for instance. [09:32] would there be a way to add some gateway as a member ? [09:33] right [09:33] AFAICT, the criteria for receiving the e-mails and for being able to upload are identical. [09:33] ...except if we do the mailing list trick. [09:33] I suggest we do. [09:35] Hm, hm.. [09:35] There's still an attack vector if someone really wanted to mess with things. [09:35] Oh, no, there's not. [09:35] my bad. [09:35] Well, then we don't even need the team. [09:36] all sorted, thanks. [09:41] ttx: Darn it. [09:41] This is always so tricky. [09:41] ttx: Only one user or team can have a particular e-mail set in Launchpad. ubuntu-server already has ubuntu-server-bugs as its contact e-mail, so ubuntu-server-qa can't as well. [09:42] soren: and I'm sure it's a feature, not a coincidence :) [09:43] Screw it, I'll just let people who care join ubuntu-server-qa. [09:43] ttx: Yeah :) [09:46] ttx: Done. https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-qa open for business. [09:47] ttx: Should I just force-add canonical-server? [09:47] I want a funny badge. [09:47] that makes sense. [09:47] Of course you do. [09:48] Invitation sent. [09:48] ttx: Only you and jiboumans can accept it these days. [09:49] looking [09:49] * jiboumans pushes ttx under the bus^W^W^W^Wvolunteers ttx [09:49] done [09:50] Neat. [09:50] * soren triggers an upload. [09:54] hi, after changing /boot/grub/menu.lst, do i need to restart grub ? [09:55] maxagaz: "restart grub" makes very little sense. grub is the bootloader. Anything you change in its configuration will only affect the boot process. [09:56] soren, ok, so i don't need to reload anything after making change in this this file, right ? [09:56] maxagaz: You need to reboot to see the changes in effect (such is the nature of bootloaders), but otherwise, no. [09:57] soren, thanks [09:57] maxagaz: Sure. [09:59] * soren likes it when PPA buildds aren't congested [10:04] ttx: http://people.canonical.com/~soren/autotest-results/default/results.html [10:04] * soren runs a larger test battery [10:06] cool. [10:06] * soren glances at uvirtbot` [10:07] is there a ubuntu-server security alert mail list I can join, I just unsubscribed from Debian one? [10:08] suprising how busy the Deb one was actually [10:09] soren++ sweet [10:15] anyone running Boinc here? [10:15] jiboumans: Making all those step files was rather tedious, but the result is pretty slick :) [10:28] hi, member:what is the best way to assign eth0 name to any adapter i choose on 9.10 [10:43] ulaas: Look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [10:43] ulaas: If it's not immediately obvious what to do, just ask again. [10:44] soren: is it the recommended way, or a hack only? [10:44] ulaas: It's /the/ way. [10:45] That is the authoritative definition of the device<->name mapping. [10:45] thanks [10:45] sure. [10:47] ttx: Yay, first build failures trickling in. [10:47] fsvo "yay". [10:53] I want to put this controller card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124023 in an old machine, Pentium III, running hardy. Will I have problems getting ubuntu to "recognize" the card? [11:02] Italian_Plumber1: Any particular reason you want that card? [11:02] Italian_Plumber1: If it's because it does "RAID", don't bother. [11:03] I'm looking for a card under 25, mainly. [11:03] Italian_Plumber1: prbly not, but check by the chipset /compare to known working models [11:03] Italian_Plumber1: Is it because you've used up the existing connections in the system? [11:03] raid would be nice but just an added bonus really. I'm only getting one HD to go with it. [11:04] That card doesn't actually do RAID. [11:04] no it's because the existing system has no SATA ports [11:04] Ok. [11:04] it doesn't do RAID? [11:05] If it's less than $300, there's no way it actually does RAID. [11:05] And at $300 it would be a steal. [11:05] They say they do RAID, but all they really do is provide a BIOSy kind of looking frontend for configuring software raid. [11:05] heh... well if I wanted RAID I'd buy a real NAS, not try to make my own with old crappy equipment [11:06] ..and let the OS read that information to actually do the raid thing on their behalf. [11:06] Italian_Plumber1: if you just want sata, get an adaptor for it [11:06] an adapter isn't a PCI controller card? [11:06] Hardware that actually does RAID is /expensive/. [11:07] yeah I knwo we have some at work [11:07] Italian_Plumber1: You know.. At $16 I wouldn't even bother with research. I'd just buy the thing, plug it in, and see if it worked :) [11:08] If not, it's probably a half decent door stop. [11:08] Italian_Plumber1: no, they are cheaper and you can run sata on ide with that, but check size limits of bios for that [11:08] can you point me out an example? [11:08] second [11:09] cause I had no idea that kind of thing existed [11:10] http://tinyurl.com/yb8m3qf [11:15] http://www.rexstone.de/_detail_40947.html ,sorry, missed a line [11:15] Italian_Plumber1: ^ [11:18] yeah I would guess there's a bios limit on the machine of way less than 1TB, which is the size drive I wanna put in there. [11:21] Italian_Plumber1: so a card will be the better choice, bringing own bios [11:25] * soren lunches [11:33] Italian_Plumber1: one last . if you want to boot from it, also make sure that bios is capable of scanning ( least plgnPlay option) [11:42] no I won't be booting from it [11:46] so should be no problem then, for compatability : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport [11:46] Italian_Plumber1: === georg is now known as kwork [12:31] wow. there's only one SATA controller ther. [12:37] i had a question. while formulating it i solved it. thanks. this is such a helpfull place. === Pici` is now known as Pici [13:21] New bug: #507906 in minicom (main) "Please merge minicom 2.4-1(main) from debian squeeze(main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507906 [13:31] heh... and this will not go in my Abit BH6: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116025 [13:32] sup mario [13:32] what kind of expansion slot IS that? :) === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [13:32] 'sup, half-oval [13:32] :) [13:33] ...er... half-ellipse [13:33] sorry [13:33] its quite alright [13:33] its also a song by TOOL [13:33] so either response is acceptable [13:36] morning [13:38] Sorry. Anything after "Nirvana" I've never heard of :) === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [13:49] hi [13:49] which is the default charset for ubuntu 9.04 and 9.10? [13:49] UTF-8? [14:02] when I run the latest openssl update on my desktop ubuntu, it tells me I need to restart. There is no corresponding notice when upgrading the server. Is this normal? === robbiew_ is now known as robbiew [14:03] * zul shoots amazon in the head [14:04] ttx: the amazon ec2 libraries doesnt have a license file [14:04] hello [14:05] what should be the permitions of user public_html so the apache and php can create folders inside and read files [14:09] i need users to upload files to their home and if in public_html apache needs to read the files and also php and it does happens permition denied or error 505 depending on the operation [14:23] BrixSat: you can try giving www-data group rwx on the directory [14:23] sommer with chown? [14:24] chgrp is what I usually use [14:25] but if i do that will the user have access using ftp to write and read fils [14:26] BrixSat: sure if the user owns the directory [14:26] you can have different owner and group permissions [14:26] nice :D can you give me a hint on the chgrp [14:26] sudo chgrp www-data /home/$user/public_html, or whatever the path is [14:27] basically the same as a chown [14:28] You don't have permission to access /~tiago/ on this server. [14:28] :/ i have the folder to 604 should it be 755? [14:30] BrixSat: you might try 775 [14:31] that'd give the owner and group rwx and world rx [14:32] and if i want to deny world to rx only owner rwx and apache rwx and others none [14:32] is it 750? [14:32] yep, but you want the www-data group to have write so it'd be 770 [14:33] ok :) [14:33] 770 wont work [14:33] i get an error [14:34] You don't have permission to access /~tiago/ [14:34] do 755 [14:34] ok working [14:36] but if i upload a file using ftp i can edit it using apache and php going to see permiton on ftp server [14:43] nice :D [14:50] my octal mask in proftp is 022 should i change it also to 755 ? [14:56] ttx, smoser: use (sprint) ... [14:57] ttx: bluesprint? [14:57] no it is not correct i edited /etc/adduser.conf and added the EXTRA_GROUPS= www-data but still not working new user wont be able to view its public_www [14:59] my mistake a mising permition :p [14:59] working ok now :d [15:03] zul: which libraries ? [15:04] the php libraries from amazon should I talk to chunger to get amazon to add that? [15:19] trying to upgrade to ubuntu 9.10 during the do-release-upgrade console-setup freezes everything else seems to work except for the items that depend on console-setup. ideas? === robbiew is now known as robbiew_ [15:38] zul: well, asking them to license their stuff properly can't hurt [15:38] ttx: k ill bug chunger about it when he wakes up [15:57] trying to resolve this console-setup issue. ubuntu-minimal depends on it, and it keeps on freezing. === MTeck-engaged is now known as MTecknology [16:35] mathiaz: hey did you know that mario already converted mysql to upstart? [16:36] zul: I noticed that on the BP whiteboard - that's I know it [16:36] zul: I haven't seen the upstart job (neither how mario is) [16:37] it looks sparse but i havent tried to run mysql on lucid yet [16:38] still running the frigging testsuite [16:38] refnumzx: Does: locale show LANG and LC_CTYPE as set to something? [16:44] genii: yupen_us.utf8 [16:51] ?!? [16:51] jiboumans: I'm assigned to this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-puppet-etckeeper-integration [16:52] jiboumans: Is that intentional? [16:52] ?!?!?! soren: yes [16:52] Fascinating. [16:55] hey all, is it safe to set parameters via tune2fs on a mounted filesystem? [16:57] not the best idea [16:59] well after asking i found a mailing list entry from the almighty Theodore Tso saying it is safe. if im not back in 5, then my filesystems are fine. :P [17:03] Need help with an ACPI issue on boot. acpi: i/o resource piix4_smbus [0x1040-0x10471] conflicts with acpi region smb_ [17:05] . /home/aromacri/public_html/.htaccess: Options not allowed here --> http://pastebin.com/f672ee374 [17:07] AllowOverride === cyphermo1 is now known as cyphermox [17:20] hi [17:22] we are aware that lucid has significant regression in postgresql performance? [17:22] ivoks: i'm not part of that we at least [17:23] what's going on? [17:23] kernel issue [17:23] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_perf_regressions&num=1 [17:23] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_lucid_alpha2&num=3 [17:24] sounds pretty bad -- good opportunity to file a kernel bug if we dont have one already [17:28] apparently, this is the issue: [17:28] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=5f3481e9a80c240f169b36ea886e2325b9aeb745 [17:29] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_perf_regressions&num=2 [17:29] ext4 is killing us [17:29] maybe we should stay with ext3 as default for servers :) [17:30] * ScottK has exactly zero ext4 systems. [17:32] eh, how about putting different defaults for server and desktop filesystems? === robbiew_ is now known as robbiew [17:37] i'm a fan of xfs [17:37] me too [17:37] been using it for 10 years now without any problems [17:37] i think it was way too early for ubuntu server at least to adopt ext4 as the default [17:46] i was considering using ext4 on a media drive. what problems do we have with it? [17:48] i did a release-upgrade from jaunty to karmic console-setup is hanging on keymap install. ubuntu-minimal and kbd are not installing because of it. i want to be able to reboot into the new kernel. advice? i have resarted all the consoles, made sure locale returns en-us.utf8, but no go. [17:51] refnumzx: i heard it has issues with large files [17:52] Need help with an ACPI issue on boot. acpi: i/o resource piix4_smbus [0x1040-0x10471] conflicts with acpi region smb_ [17:52]