[14:32] <Riddell> markey: hmm, so you have no USB at all or is it intermitent?
[14:33]  * ScottK can attest to intermittent.
[14:33] <markey> Riddell: it works randomly. one example: after reboot, my keyboard always doesn't work. I run around the desk, plug it in/out 6 times
[14:33] <markey> then it works
[14:33] <markey> same with other devices
[14:33] <markey> some don't work at all
[14:33] <markey> and the keyboard thing is grave
[14:33] <markey> I mean, without keyboard...
[14:33] <Riddell> ScottK: stop showing up my typos :)
[14:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Actually I didn't even notice your typo until you mentioned it.
[14:34] <ScottK> I do have trouble with USB stuff not always showing up.
[14:35] <markey> yeah, many people have trouble with that
[14:35] <markey> sebas said it too, and it happens with Mamarok external HDD as well (on her box)
[14:35] <markey> the more devices you connect, the worse it gets (I guess)
[14:35] <markey> not sure
[14:36] <Riddell> it's not clear where the fix is that keybuk talks about but it seems to be in gdm.  nothing in -updates though for gdm
[14:39] <Riddell> I wonder if this is related to the "kdm needs equivalent patches to gdm" work item that got assigned to me without anyone telling me or apparantly anyone knowing what it involves
[14:39] <Riddell> time to e-mail Keybuk I think
[14:39] <maco> bahaha
[14:39] <maco> what a silly work item
[14:39] <maco> oh wait "equivalent"
[14:40] <maco> that means "Riddell, go re-write these in a kdm-compatible way"?
[14:40] <markey> Riddell: could be an Udev bug, I guess?
[14:41] <penguin42> I'm trying lucid kubuntu in a kvm and if I boot into the installer (or login) I get a blank black screen with notifications about new shortcuts registered - and that's it - any way to get past that?
[14:42] <Riddell> penguin42: sounds like plasma-desktop isn't getting started
[14:42] <Riddell> or is this a netbook install?
[14:43] <penguin42> no, normal desktop iso
[14:43] <penguin42> I can get a console and tell me what to check is running
[14:44] <penguin42> there appear to be multiple instances of plasma-desktop running according to a xlsclients
[14:44] <Riddell> penguin42: alt-f2  plasma-desktop may well fix it
[14:44] <penguin42> alt-f2 doesn't get me anything
[14:47] <Riddell> that's a hassle
[14:48] <Riddell> well you can start it from your console?
[14:48] <Riddell> export DISPLAY=:0  if the console isn't within X
[14:48] <penguin42> I can see a kdeinit4: plasma-desktop [kdeinit] in a ps
[14:50] <Riddell> can you start anything on the X server?  what about xlogo?
[14:51] <Riddell> nixternal: did you see Dhillon's e-mail on kde release-team mailing list?  going from documentation to coding on kdelibs is quite a jump
[14:52] <penguin42> Riddell: Not seeing the xlogo, but the odd thing is that I can see the kglobalaccel notification dialogs
[14:54] <penguin42> if I stop xdm, start an X server and then start xterm I see it
[14:55] <penguin42> and if I start a plasma-desktop from that xterm I apparently get one
[14:57] <Riddell> hmm, i'm out of ideas
[14:57] <penguin42> and I seem to have a desktop and kwin running
[15:00] <penguin42> any idea which package I should report against?
[15:00] <Riddell> kdm?
[15:06] <penguin42> I guess so - but it's out of that already isn't it?
[15:08] <Riddell> penguin42: yeah, so could be X or plymouth or goodness knows what
[15:08] <penguin42> I'l lfile it against ubiquity since that seems to be what is suggested for installing issues
[15:10] <freinhard> need a sponsor (or two ;) ) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/ctemplate
[15:10] <nixternal> Riddell: I needed some comic relief this morning, thanks :)
[15:11] <nixternal> not so much coding, but coordinating
[15:11] <crimsun> hmm
[15:12] <Riddell> freinhard: looking
[15:13] <penguin42> ah, it works in safe graphics
[15:14] <penguin42> hmm, that's exaggerating it - I get most of a desktop
[15:17] <penguin42> and then it hangs solid
[15:19] <crimsun> ScottK: / markey: any chance you could reproduce the intermittent nature of the symptom with a daily-live of Ubuntu?
[15:19] <markey> live cd?
[15:19] <markey> that would need rebooting, currently a bit difficult
[15:19] <markey> but could try tonight
[15:20] <markey> got url?
[15:20] <crimsun> markey: hmm, looks like 20100113 is the latest spun anyhow, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[15:21] <markey> thanks, I will try that later
[15:21] <Riddell> alpha 2 probably best to try
[15:21] <Riddell> kubuntu.org has the links
[15:21] <markey> ok
[15:21]  * markey wgets
[15:22] <crimsun> if it's indeed udev, udevadm monitor --property > ~/udevadm-monitor.log   is nice, too
[15:26] <markey> crimsun: I did one create a file with "lshal" output. is that useful in any way?
[15:26] <markey> still got it on my server
[15:26] <markey> once*
[15:26] <markey> (it's quite long though)
[15:26] <freinhard> who could know about changes to the v4l/dvb subsystem in the lates karmic kernel update?
[15:29] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[15:29] <freinhard> made /dev/dvb/adapter0/* move to /dev/dvb0.* and untill you create symlinks matching the old path kaffeine won't work. i guess that's, if they ever find out what's suddenly wrong, not reasonable to average users?
[15:29] <_Groo_> whos responsible for the libdirac change of name?
[15:30] <_Groo_> latest libdirac breaks gstream bad plugins
[15:30] <Riddell> since we don't use gstreamer, not us
[15:31] <crimsun> markey: I suppose that "ubuntu-bug udev" would generate the proper reports
[15:32] <Riddell> freinhard: advocated, one optional suggestion
[15:32] <markey> crimsun: should I run that?
[15:32] <_Groo_> Riddell: hey Riddell, well it brakes other things like mplayer and mplayer-mt, but i can overcome those
[15:32] <_Groo_> Riddell: also i did koffice 2.1.1, will be in my ppa real soon (tm)
[15:32] <Riddell> _Groo_: you know how to package, fixes welcome
[15:33] <freinhard> Riddell: that one goes to /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/ right?
[15:33] <_Groo_> Riddell: yeah, its mostly working, im just checking with debian experimental, ill prob announce it here when its ready
[15:33] <crimsun> markey: wouldn't hurt
[15:35] <_Groo_> ill open a bug for libdirac... i was in the process of making newer mplayer and mplayer-mt packages anyway
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> could a core-dev confirm the karmic task for bug 382161?
[15:38] <markey> crimsun: args, how can I pipe that output into a file? "view" starts less
[15:38] <markey> dunno how to copy all that (several pages)
[15:38] <markey> ah
[15:38] <markey> "Keep Report"
[15:38] <markey> that one maybe
[15:38] <markey> got it
[15:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: done
[15:40] <markey> crimsun: http://mark.kollide.net/ubuntu-bug-udev-output.txt
[16:04] <freinhard> does a new kernel ship new udev rules?
[16:05] <Riddell> I think a new udev ships new udev rules
[16:08] <freinhard> ok so that /dev/dvb0.* thing is defenitely a kernel issue.
[16:31] <freinhard> Riddell: uploaded ctemplates once again. moved the .el file to /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/
[16:32] <Riddell> freinhard: is that all which needs done, can emacs pick it up like that?
[16:32] <freinhard> Riddell: i hope so, never used emacs and i guess i never will
[16:34] <freinhard> Riddell: matlab uses emacs keyboard layout by default on linux, made me feel like i'm new to computers and never got used to it ;)
[16:52] <markey> crimsun: could you spot anything interesting in the output I sent?
[17:00] <freinhard> i just went over to #emacs for that .el file, this is so insane.
[17:00] <freinhard> golden rule: never ask questions.
[17:03] <Riddell> freinhard: it probably needs dh_installemacsen
[17:04] <Riddell> freinhard: I did say it was optional :)
[17:06] <freinhard> Riddell: i guess i'll stick with that ;)
[18:53] <xteejx> Hey guys, I am a triager usually working in Ubuntu bugs, but have come across some old Kubuntu bugs. My question is - what are we doing with KDE bugs pre KDE4, as I know these are unsupported by the KDE Team?
[18:55] <dhillon-v10> xteejx, that depends because I mostly do KDE docs. bugs and they are still valid because the docs. still haven't been updated
[18:56] <xteejx> OK, it was in particular bug 181300 I was wondering about, as it's to do with CJK input with scim, I would assume this may well have been fixed in KDE4
[18:57] <xteejx> I just don't know if I should be telling them to try Karmic on LiveCD and see if it's fixed or trying to fix something like that in that version, since I know upstream won't bother with it.
[18:58] <dhillon-v10> xteejx, yah that's a good idea, tell them to try the karmic live cd and if you have a cd yourself then you can go ahead and check it :) and change the status to needs-info
[18:59] <dhillon-v10> xteejx, oh I mean incomplete
[18:59] <xteejx> dhillon-v10: So, usual kinda procedure on the triaging side then? That's good to hear! I'm suspecting this probably was fixed.
[18:59] <xteejx> I know what you meant :)
[18:59] <dhillon-v10> xteejx, yah too much of bugzilla stuff :)
[18:59] <xteejx> hehe :)
[19:00] <Riddell> I'd have a presumption for closing most KDE 3 bits like that
[19:00] <xteejx> Thanks for the info, much appreciated, and don't be surprised if you start seeing more of me, I'll try not to avoid the KDE bugs hehe
[19:00] <xteejx> Riddell: I thought so
[19:00] <Riddell> also we want to only track distro bugs in the distro tracker, and that's an upstream issue mostly
[19:01] <xteejx> Distro tracker??
[19:01] <Riddell> by which I mean launchpad, the bug tracker for this distro
[19:02] <xteejx> Ohh, of course, sorry am half asleep is only 7pm!
[19:03] <xteejx> Thanks for the help guys, I'm off, keep up the good work!! :D
[19:16] <markey> Riddell: CMake 2.8 is nice :)
[19:16] <markey> e.g. it reports some errors that 2.6 simply ignored
[19:16] <markey> that is useful
[19:17] <Riddell> happy to have helped you in at least one way
[20:01] <sheytan> Hi guys ;)
[20:02] <sheytan> I can't install nvidia drivers with jockey in lucid aplha 2. Is there other way to do this?
[20:06] <ulysses__> konsole+aptitude :)
[20:06] <sheytan> Ok, and what packages should i install?
[20:07] <ulysses__> nvidia-glx-???
[20:09] <Quintasan> Hi
[20:11] <Riddell> hmm, I zoomed out of a plasma activity and now I can't work out how to zoom back in
[20:11] <maco> should be a zoom button under it
[20:12] <maco> though whether you zoom into that activity or a different one is a bit of toss-up, IME
[20:12] <Riddell> nope
[20:12] <sheytan> Riddell if not, then press control + mouse scroll
[20:12] <_Groo_> Riddell: plasma is still buggy in that regard... better is to kquitapp plasma-desktop and see if it helps
[20:12] <Riddell> I have no mouse scroll
[20:13] <_Groo_> Riddell: really?
[20:15] <_Groo_> *hit... this gstreamer libdirac bug brake a lot of stuff, including k9copy :P
[20:15] <_Groo_> not good
[20:16] <_Groo_> how the core devs allowed this is beyond me
[20:16] <_Groo_> Riddell: scott whats the proper channel to bug the core devs? i already opened a bug in launchpad
[20:17] <maco> er, well Riddell himself is one
[20:17] <maco> there are at least 2 others off the top of my head in here
[20:19] <_Groo_> he his? oO oh... eheheh... hes screwed now :D
[20:19]  * _Groo_ looks for riddell
[20:19] <Riddell> it depends what the issue is, if it's something that a bug isn't sufficient for ubuntu-devel mailing list is the way
[20:19] <_Groo_> guys is this normal? : [ 1079.388730] type=1503 audit(1263759275.659:20):  operation="open" pid=5040 parent=5038 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi" requested_mask="::r" denied_mask="::r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/"
[20:20] <_Groo_> aparently akonadi is trying to do something apparmor disapproves
[20:21] <Riddell> couldn't honestly say, although it could explain some bugs people have with akonadi
[20:24] <ScottK> _Groo_: jdstrand is the best person to ask in #ubuntu-hardened.
[20:25] <_Groo_> ScottK: k, gonna talk to him
[20:25] <_Groo_> can you guys confirm this anyway?
[20:27] <Riddell> _Groo_: dunno how do you recreate it?
[20:27] <_Groo_> Riddell: just install gstreamer bad plugins and try to install the libdirac libs.. its suposed to break
[20:28] <_Groo_> prob bad plugins wont install
[20:28] <Riddell> _Groo_: the akonadi problem
[20:29] <_Groo_> Riddell: oh, well it should popup naturally in dmesg
[20:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Compared to what we released Karmic with, our current Lucid libqt4-dev lacks depends on libxrandr-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), x11proto-core-dev, libsm-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libxmu-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libice-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libx11-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libxt-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libxrender-dev, libxcursor-dev, libxinerama-dev, libxi-dev, libmng-dev (>= 1.0.3), libpng12-0-dev, libjpeg62-dev, zlib1g-dev, libfreetype6
[20:42] <ScottK> -dev, xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev, libxft-dev, libaudio-dev, libpq-dev, libglib2.0-dev, libsqlite0-dev, libssl-dev, pkg-config
[20:42] <ScottK> The lack of libssl-dev is the reason Quassel is missing SSL support in Lucid.
[20:43] <Riddell> ScottK: this is in line with what debian do, it shouldn't be needed any more, the quassel package should build-dep on what it needs to build-dep on
[20:44] <ScottK> Sput: ^^^
[20:44] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Well quassel assumes that if Qt is built with SSL support, openssl will be there
[20:45] <al> ScottK: it's a bug in quassel to depend on the openssl headers
[20:45] <Sput> ah interesting, we (in Gentoo) use another approach and say that a user of a library shouldn't have to care about the library's deps
[20:45] <Sput> al: which wouldn't help here, because with the new check, we would try to build support and probably fail because of missing headers
[20:46] <Sput> maybe not (not sure if QSslSocket and friends need openssl headers to be present to be usable)
[20:46] <al> shouldn't
[20:46] <ScottK> If you need the actual openssl headers, then I agree you should have them as a dependency.
[20:46] <Sput> we don't do anything with SSL ourselves, we just use the Qt stuff
[20:46] <ScottK> Do you need the headers?
[20:46] <al> quassel doesn't need the headers imho
[20:47] <ScottK> OK
[20:47] <Sput> no we don't, just the CMake check does :)
[20:47] <Sput> I think I'll backport the changes now
[20:47] <Sput> they're required to build against recent versions of KDE 4.4 anyway
[20:47] <ScottK> Sput: If your CMake check needs the headers, then you need the headers.
[20:48] <Sput> yes, and I'm about to fix that for the 0.5 branch
[20:48] <ScottK> OK.
[21:01] <_Groo_> koffice 2.1.1 is almost ready, fixing the .install files (theres always something missing/added :))
[21:07] <_Groo_> ScottK: argh isnt this fixed already? dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[21:07] <ScottK> Should be fixed.
[21:08] <crimsun> markey: I haven't looked yet; I'm battling plymouth currently. I'll look in an hour.
[21:09]  * ScottK was having a USB detecton problem with his droid just now.  Root cause turned out to be the computer end of the cable not plugged in.
[21:12] <_Groo_> ScottK: ehehehe
[21:17] <groo_> ScottK: are you there?
[21:18] <ScottK> _Groo_: Yes.
[21:18] <groo_> ScottK: what package was having the libgl bug? mesa?
[21:18] <ScottK> It was.
[21:19] <groo_> ScottK: was it a upstream bug? i mean, its a packaging bug or a mesa upstream one?
[21:19] <ScottK> Everything that I've tried to build with the fixed mesa works, so I suspect your package, not mesa at this point.
[21:19] <ScottK> It was a packaging bug.
[21:19] <groo_> ScottK: cause im using xorg-edgers but it was working till today
[21:20] <ScottK> You'd need to ask in #ubuntu-x then.
[21:20] <ScottK> No idea about that.
[21:20] <groo_> ScottK: ok thanks
[21:20] <Tonio_> nixternal: yeah that was me :)
[21:20] <Tonio_> nixternal: I was really really tired and sleeping during a speach given by Raphink :)
[21:21] <ScottK> Hiya Tonio_.
[21:21] <Tonio_> ScottK: ;)
[21:21] <Tonio_> nixternal: also I had a broken finger on the left foot by that time
[21:21] <nixternal> aww, poor raphink :)
[21:22] <ScottK> Tonio_: finger/toe?
[21:22] <nixternal> hahaha
[21:24]  * groo_ made a can this weekend.. very proud..
[21:25] <Tonio_> ScottK: yeah sorry toe
[21:25] <Tonio_> :)
[21:25] <ScottK> No problem.
[21:25] <Tonio_> nixternal: yeah that wasn't that nice, especially since the speach was very good, about puppet/puppetmaster
[21:25] <groo_> ScottK: how do i fix this? say for shlibdep to ignore the lib? dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (used by debian/krita-kde4/usr/lib/kde4/kritatoolpolygon.so).
[21:26] <ScottK> Do you build-dep on mesa?
[21:27] <groo_> ScottK: im using xorg-edgers packages, it might
[21:27] <ScottK> _Groo_: I can't help you with the xorg-edgers stuff.  Check if it works with the packages from the actual Ubuntu archive.
[21:30] <groo_> ScottK: ive added DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS_krita-kde4 := --ignore-missing-info to debian/rules... should work now..
[21:31] <groo_> ScottK: and its harmless for normal build with ubuntu archive
[21:31] <ScottK> Should build.  That doesn't equate to work.
[21:31] <groo_> ScottK: no no... it built allright, its in the packaging fase thats giving that error, when its time to make the krita-kde4 package
[22:14] <groo_> ppl, how do i check to see if there are missing file in .install file? lintian takes care of that or do i need to run a command?
[22:17] <groo_> koffice 2.1.1 is ready :)
[22:21] <ScottK> groo_: You need to use list-missing.
[22:22] <Riddell> dh_install --list-missing
[22:22] <Riddell> edit .install files
[22:22] <Riddell> debuild -nc
[22:22] <groo_> Riddell: yeah that i know, the --list-missing is enabled by default?
[22:23] <groo_> Riddell: when i use /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk
[22:23] <groo_> or i just run dh_install --list-missing after debuild -us -uc?
[22:23] <Riddell> I don't think it is, you have to run it manually
[22:24] <groo_> Riddell: ok..
[22:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Dunno if you noticed, but we killed cdbs kde4.mk yesterday.
[22:24] <groo_> well koffice its working like a charm, i tested it completely, all apps works and appear to be very solid :)
[22:24] <groo_> Riddell: no i didnt.. where do you guys announce this things?
[22:24] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, about time really
[22:24] <Riddell> announce what?
[22:25] <groo_> Riddell: the changes in packaging methods
[22:25] <Riddell> here?
[22:26] <groo_> Riddell: ¬¬ besides that? isnt there a mailing list for that kinda thing? or you just wait for me to come here screaming, OMG debuild eat my dog@!!!
[22:26] <maco> i think kubuntu-devel@l.u.c was supposed to be the answer
[22:27] <groo_> hmmm k some stuff is missing acording to dh_installer :P lets hack those .install files and do a new version ¬¬
[22:27] <groo_> maco: i suspect Riddell likes me bursting here screming my lungs out
[22:27] <groo_> screaming
[22:28] <Riddell> groo_: koffice doesn't use kde4.mk does it?
[22:33] <groo_> Riddell: no its using debian-qt-kde.mk
[22:33] <Riddell> so what's the problem?
[22:33] <ScottK> groo_: As nixternal said yesterday (and I think the day before) the blocker to getting it updated in the archive is main inclusion.
[22:35] <Riddell> of which pstoedit is the last package which needs an update from upstream
[22:35] <groo_> Riddell: no problem whatsoever :)
[22:42] <groo_> there.. all missing files solved... nice to know about dh_install... it took some hours out of my work :)
[22:45] <RiotingPacifist> If i had a problem with the kdm packaged in kde4.4rc1 where would i file a bug report (I'm having trouble with launchpad & searching atm)
[22:45] <groo_> RiotingPacifist: try ubuntu-bug kdm in console
[23:06] <RiotingPacifist> groo_: it tells me it's not a ubuntu packages (i'm running 4.4rc1 from kubuntu-beta ppa
[23:08] <ScottK> RiotingPacifist: PPA are not an official part of Ubuntu, so that's correct.  File the bug against kubuntu-ppa project.
[23:10] <groo_> RiotingPacifist: oh i thought you were using lucid, sorry my mistake
[23:10] <RiotingPacifist> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa ?
[23:11] <RiotingPacifist> sorry im on karmic running the ppa, i went to that address earlier but given it's empty it doesn't seam right :s
[23:12] <ScottK> It's relatively new.
[23:12] <ScottK> IIRC it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa
[23:14] <RiotingPacifist> thx
[23:23]  * groo_ is listening to See You Space Cowboy... by Yoko Kanno on Cowboy Bebop [Amarok2]
[23:42] <nixternal> Riddell: I am working on a pstoedit merge/update
[23:43] <nixternal> once that one is complete, I have already got 6 MIRs documented locally
[23:43] <nixternal> there is no rush to get koffice updated in lucid
[23:44] <nixternal> i am working with upstream to make sure we install the correct packages...as there should be a good number of list-missing, even with an updated package...and those files need to be documented in not-installed for the time being