[00:07] <persia> lfaraone: You might want to talk to AnAnt, who was doing a similar thing a few days ago (adding collected files to a bug)
[01:21] <Spreadsheet_> Why do users on launchpad have ~'s before their names? It doesn't seem necessary
[01:25] <persia> Spreadsheet_: They don't.  The '~' is used to indicate a username, rather than something else.
[01:26] <ScottK> Namespace separation between usernames and project names.
[01:26] <persia> That way you can have a project and group by the same name.  lp.net/foo would go to the foo project overview, and lp.net/~foo would go to the foo team overview
[01:26] <Spreadsheet_> I see
[01:26] <Spreadsheet_> That makes more sense
[04:14] <Some_Person> How do I delete a PPA?
[04:15] <al-maisan> Some_Person: was there anything published in the PPA in question
[04:15]  * al-maisan looks for the FAQ
[04:15] <Some_Person> yes, although it failed to build
[04:16] <al-maisan> Some_Person: please see https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+faq/569
[04:16] <al-maisan> and also: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/661
[04:17] <al-maisan> Some_Person: actually, only the latter applies
[04:17] <Some_Person> so I can't delete the PPA
[04:18] <al-maisan> .. If you have never published anything to a ppa (ie. you just created it by mistake, or miss-typed the name) then you can file a question and ask for it to be deleted. ..
[04:18] <Some_Person> But I've published a package to it that failed to build
[04:18] <al-maisan> Some_Person: what's the URL of the PPA in question?
[04:19] <Some_Person> I was going to create one for bleeding edge versions of gimp, unaware that somebody else already did. https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/gimp
[04:19] <Some_Person> Since the first package failed to build and somebody else already runs a PPA with what I wanted, I abandoned it
[04:19] <al-maisan> Some_Person: is stownsend42 your LP account name?
[04:19] <Some_Person> yes
[04:20] <al-maisan> hmm .. in that case you'll probably have to settle for a different PPA name..
[04:20] <al-maisan> Some_Person: what do you mean by "unaware that somebody else already did"?
[04:21] <Some_Person> Somebody else already made a PPA with bleeding edge versions of gimp, which is what I set out to do
[04:21] <al-maisan> Some_Person: hmmm .. is that the reason why you'd like to delete https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/gimp ?
[04:21] <Some_Person> yes
[04:22] <Some_Person> I'd finish the PPA with all necessary packages instead, but I don't know how to fix that specific compiler error
[04:23] <al-maisan> I am afraid that's not possible as it stands .. what you can do though is click on "Change details" and disable the ppa .. look for the "Enabled" check box towards the bottom of the page
[04:23]  * al-maisan looks at the compiler error
[04:23] <Some_Person> What will disabling it actually do?
[04:24] <al-maisan> Some_Person: it indicates that the PPA is not in use
[04:25] <al-maisan> Some_Person: that package of yours "babl" does not seem to have any builds .. is that right?
[04:25] <Some_Person> It failed to build
[04:26] <Some_Person> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37704977/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.babl_0.1.0~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:26] <al-maisan> let me see
[04:26] <Some_Person> I don't really understand the error or how to fix it
[04:26] <al-maisan> Some_Person: did you build this package on your local system with success?
[04:26] <Some_Person> yes
[04:26] <Some_Person> That's why I'm confused
[04:27] <al-maisan> Some_Person: I understand the linker fails because it cannot find a library
[04:28] <Some_Person> Oh? Which library?
[04:28] <al-maisan> maybe you should try building this package using pbuilder in order to catch missing dependencies etc.
[04:28] <al-maisan> Some_Person: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lbabl-0.0"
[04:29] <Some_Person> Isn't 'lbabl-0.0' what I'm trying to build though?
[04:30] <al-maisan> Some_Person: my gut feeling is that this package still has some kinks that need sorting out, please build it in pbuilder and/or ask for advice in #ubuntu-motu
[04:31] <Some_Person> Well, it's an official release, but yes, maybe that's why it's so old yet still not included in ubuntu
[04:32] <Some_Person> but anyway, it's a dependency of the beta versions of gimp, so it needs to be there
[04:34] <persia> I think there's a support gap somewhere.  -motu tends to prefer to only support packaging effort targeted to Ubuntu, and sends people packaging for a PPA here.
[04:34] <persia> But it appears that some folk here send people to -motu if there are questions about the packaging itself.
[04:35] <al-maisan> well .. yeah, based on the build log from above I assumed that there's a packaging issue
[04:35] <al-maisan> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37704977/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.babl_0.1.0~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:35] <persia> Understood, but it's a PPA build log, so I doubt there'd be much support in -motu.
[04:35] <persia> Hence why I think there's a gap somewhere.
[04:36] <al-maisan> You're probably right. But isn't #ubuntu-motu the channel to consult when one has packaging questions or problems?
[04:37] <persia> If one is working on Ubuntu, it has been, historically.
[04:37] <al-maisan> I mean Some_Person is packaging for his PPA now .. but who knows .. he may start contributing to Ubuntu as well at some time?
[04:37] <persia> But it's not a general "How to do debian-format packaging" channel.
[04:37] <al-maisan> OK, point taken.
[04:38] <persia> This is true, and Some_Person (or some other arbitrary person) might well get support.
[04:38] <Some_Person> What should I actually do with pbuilder?
[04:39] <persia> But there's a 16 minute gap in my logs between "This channel is about Ubuntu development, not PPAs" in #ubuntu-motu and "this package still has some kinks that need sorting out, please build it in pbuilder and/or ask for advice in #ubuntu-motu"
[04:39] <persia> Which is why I noticed.
[04:39] <persia> !pbuilder | Some_Person
[04:41] <al-maisan> persia: well, I did not "foist" Some_Person on #ubuntu-motu straight-away .. I did advise him to build in pbuilder (first) in order to sort out his packaging problems.
[04:42] <persia> al-maisan: My apologies if my comments are taken the wrong way.  I don't mean to criticise your redirection.
[04:42] <al-maisan> phewww :)
[04:42] <persia> As I said, there is some support for packaging there, and many people have received help.
[04:42]  * al-maisan knows that
[04:43] <al-maisan> I have often received assistance in #ubuntu-motu myself
[04:43] <persia> But since there was a 16-minute gap, and while it was different people, was it one person, they could have been caught in a redirection loop, I thought it was worth noting that there seems to be a gap.
[04:43] <al-maisan> persia: fair enough .. you definitely have a point there.
[04:43] <persia> I'm not sure how many people would be interested in answering questions, but there may be a role for a channel dedicated to helping people package stuff in general.
[04:44] <al-maisan> persia: very good point .. maybe something to run past dholbach
[04:44] <persia> And it would make sense for *both* #launchpad and #ubuntu-motu to send people there if the questions were beyond what each could support.
[04:44] <persia> Maybe he'll read backscroll :)
[04:45] <al-maisan> a channel dedicated to helping people package stuff in general would definitely be a valuable resource IMHO
[04:45] <Some_Person> Why is ``pbuilder create'' retrieving a ton of packages?
[04:45] <persia> Some_Person: It needs to build a complete chroot
[04:45] <Some_Person> complete, meaning how many packages?
[04:46] <persia> I don't know the count.  Whatever is in base.
[04:46] <al-maisan> Some_Person: shouldn't be too bad provided you have a reasonable internet connection
[04:47] <Some_Person> 768kbit down?
[04:47] <persia> That's going to be painful.
[04:47] <persia> especially because you'll have to download all the recursive build-dependencies when you actually build the package.
[04:47] <al-maisan> hmm ..
[04:47] <al-maisan> but there's also a pbuilder cache I believe
[04:48] <al-maisan> i.e. once you went through the process once the packages are taken from the cache
[04:49] <Some_Person> I've been trying to get my dad to upgrade to 1.5mbit, but he refuses to pay the extra $5/month
[04:50] <persia> It might just be a case of waiting then.  I know one Ubuntu developer who managed with a 384K connection.
[04:50] <al-maisan> Some_Person: but this is a "flat rate" connection, right?
[04:50] <persia> Mind you, it may be worth investigating caching strategies.
[04:50] <Some_Person> of course it's flat rate
[04:50] <al-maisan> Some_Person: good .. then it is just a matter of patience :)
[04:51]  * al-maisan does a "sudo pbuilder create" using the hotel's WLAN just to see how long it takes
[04:51] <Some_Person> It's weird. I had dialup until 2006 and didn't mind it that much. Since then I've had 768kbit, and I want more
[04:51] <al-maisan> Some_Person: ha!
[04:53] <Some_Person> I did absolutely hate my modem though, because it was proprietary and you had to send the manufacturer $20 to make it faster than 14.4kbit
[04:53] <Some_Person> (on Linux that is)
[04:54] <Some_Person> I was in middle school at the time, had no money of my own, and couldn't ask my dad because at the time he was anti-non-Windows and I had to hide Linux from him
[04:55] <al-maisan> Oh!
[04:55]  * al-maisan likes ponders the "anti-non-Windows" bit ..
[04:55] <al-maisan> s/likes//
[04:56] <Some_Person> To hide Linux, I installed GRUB to a floppy and used that to boot it
[04:56] <al-maisan> pretty cool ;)
[04:57] <al-maisan> Some_Person: BTW, "sudo pbuilder create" took ca. 7 minutes to download what it needs
[04:58] <Some_Person> I've since shown him the way and now he's a happy Linux user
[04:58] <al-maisan> That's a very nice success story :)
[04:59]  * al-maisan takes a break
[05:00] <Some_Person> I wish I could convince my school librarian of the same, but I've decided that there's no hope for him
[05:01] <Some_Person> Last month, he told us to use Internet Explorer 6 instead of Firefox (which was already installed on all the machines) because "We've been getting a lot of viruses through Firefox"
[05:02] <Some_Person> Furthermore, last year, when I was using an ubuntu live CD on one of the aging Windows 98 machines, I almost got suspended for "putting a virus on the school computers"
[05:03] <persia> Education is always the highest barrier, and educating educators doubly so.
[05:03] <Some_Person> Worse, this guy doubles as the school's "computer specialist"
[05:05] <Some_Person> In the latter case, they ended up confirming that what I was doing didn't involve viruses by calling my old middle school, where the librarian (a huge Linux advocate) and a tech teacher (not a Linux user, but knows of it) vouched for me
[05:06] <Some_Person> I wasn't charged with anything on the condition that I don't do it again
[05:07] <jtv> al-maisan: got my power strip & plug?
[05:08] <Some_Person> The ironic part is that I was using the live CD because that particular machine was riddled with viruses/other crapware. I had never seen a machine so slow, where once you type a character in Microsoft Word 97, it took about 4 seconds to appear on screen
[05:13] <jtv> al-maisan: the story of my accidental reunion with my university classmate from 20 years and half a world ago just got weirder...  tell you later :)
[05:14] <al-maisan> jtv: yes, your power plug is in my room
[05:14] <jtv> thanks for picking it up... are you around?
[05:15] <al-maisan> jtv: I am relaxing a bit in the room .. will catch you later :)
[05:15] <jtv> al-maisan: ok... I've got plenty battery time for now
[05:15] <al-maisan> jtv: great!
[05:16] <al-maisan> jtv: ttyl
[05:16] <jtv> ttyl
[05:18] <Some_Person> Errm, when I try to build it with pbuilder (yes, the create is over), it does this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/357886/
[05:27] <Some_Person> nevermind, it seems i needed to add universe for some reason to pbuilder
[06:53] <doctormo> Anyone here know of any example code that creates merge proposals?
[07:11] <thumper> doctormo: what do you want to know?
[07:14] <thumper> doctormo: you have 15 minutes before my wifi credit expires
[07:14] <doctormo> thumper: Example scripts that show the use of branch.createMergePropsal
[07:14] <doctormo> thumper: Lots of inputs to that call
[07:14] <thumper> doctormo: yes there are
[07:15] <thumper> doctormo: bzr pipelines have a call I believe
[07:15] <thumper> doctormo: you need at minimum target_branch
[07:15] <thumper> doctormo: i think that is the only one you have to have
[07:15]  * thumper checks the source
[07:16] <doctormo> I thought you'd need to specify the reviewer, but perhaps that's just the default one.
[07:17] <thumper> doctormo: if you don't specify one, I don't think it adds one
[07:17] <thumper> but personally I think that is a bug
[07:17] <thumper> and I should fix it soon
[07:18] <doctormo> Ah, right, and each of these things is specifying the objects, not just the names etc.
[07:18] <thumper> doctormo: you should also set an initial_comment
[07:18] <thumper> yes
[07:21] <doctormo> Thanks for your help
[07:21] <doctormo> thumper: I hope you get to where your going... you must be on the move to have an expiring wifi.
[07:22] <thumper> doctormo: I'm in Wellington ahead of LCA2010 starting tomorrow
[07:23] <thumper> doctormo: what are you hooking launchpadlib and code reviews into?
[07:23] <vish> hi... I'm trying to push a fix for lp:ubuntu/human-theme  as >    bzr push lp:~vish.../ubuntu/human-theme/bug507632-bug495644
[07:24] <vish> but i keep getting this error > bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~vish.../ubuntu/human-theme/bug507632-bug495644": No such distribution series human-theme.
[07:24] <doctormo> thumper: Ah Groundcontrol, intergration of launchpad, bzr and nautilus.
[07:24] <vish> not sure what i'm doiung wrong :(
[07:24] <thumper> vish: use bzr push lp:~vish.../ubuntu/lucid/human-theme/bug...
[07:24] <thumper> vish: you're missing the lucid bit :)
[07:25] <doctormo> The last two functions of the workflow and I can really demo it all... it should be awesome.
[07:25] <thumper> doctormo: interesting
[07:25]  * vish tries
[07:25] <thumper> doctormo: I'm trying to write my talk for Thursday on using LP for code reviews
[07:26] <thumper> doctormo: I'll be mentioning the api briefly
[07:26] <doctormo> thumper: Where you at UDS+L?
[07:26] <thumper> doctormo: not sure yet, most likely not unless they overlay the LP team lead sprint
[07:27] <doctormo> thumper: no, I mean where you at UDS Lucid... in Texas.
[07:27] <thumper> ah, no
[07:27] <thumper> sorry, misread
[07:27] <thumper> I think rockstar was there
[07:27]  * rockstar looks up
[07:27] <thumper> rockstar: you were there at uds lucid
[07:27] <doctormo> thumper: I demo'ed the configuration side of things there in a 5 min lighting talk in the plannary.
[07:28]  * rockstar reads backchat
[07:28] <thumper> doctormo: if you have any questions, I'm sure rockstar would love to help
[07:28] <thumper> rockstar: I hope your flight went well
[07:28] <doctormo> heh, thumper have a good LCA2010
[07:29] <rockstar> thumper, not great, but enough to get me home.  :)
[07:29] <spiv> thumper: yeah, enjoy LCA
[07:29] <rockstar> doctormo, so what exactly are you trying to do?
[07:29] <thumper> spiv: any news on the bub?
[07:30] <vish> thumper: thanks ... worked \o/ ... but a small doubt  , why does the lucid branch not mention "lucid" > https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-theme
[07:30] <rockstar> vish, because the default distro is "lucid" right now.
[07:30] <thumper> vish: lp:ubuntu/lucid/human-theme also works
[07:30]  * rockstar nods
[07:31] <vish> oh , ok... but when pushing , changes , we need to mention lucid ?
[07:32] <doctormo> rockstar: I'm adding a function to ground control to create a merge proposal of a pushed branch.
[07:32] <rockstar> doctormo, okay.  And what's the problem?
[07:33] <doctormo> rockstar: Non, thumper answered my questions quite well.
[07:33] <vish> doctormo: how is ground control different from olive? [i havent tried it yet :)]
[07:33] <thumper> rockstar: I said "any more questions..." :)
[07:33] <rockstar> doctormo, in that case, I'm headed to bed.  I can answer any questions you have in the morning.
[07:34] <doctormo> rockstar: have a good night, thanks for the offer of help.
[07:34] <thumper> night rockstar
[07:35] <doctormo> vish: The workflow is nailed down harder than chuck noris, it's got hardly any of the functionality of full bzr and it's very selective about what it tells the user they can do.
[07:35] <rockstar> thumper, is your talk written yet?
[07:35] <thumper> rockstar: writing it now
[07:35] <doctormo> olive is a part of bzr-gtk and is a gui end comprising of full bzr functionality... bit different.
[07:36] <rockstar> thumper, okay then.  As I'm going to bed, I'll make sure to pray a special prayer to the talk gods for you...  :)
[07:36] <thumper> rockstar: thanks
[07:36] <vish> doctormo: i meant i havent tried ground control :) .. olive works just a bit ok.;)
[07:36] <rockstar> (and maybe even offer a sacrifice, a finger perhaps)
[07:36] <doctormo> thumper: Random fluctionations in the space time continum will be on your side.
[07:36] <thumper> they seem to be
[07:37]  * doctormo can't even read how I spelt that.
[07:42] <doctormo> lazr.restfulclient.errors.HTTPError: HTTP Error 400: Bad Request < Bad use of createMergePropsal perhaps?
[07:45] <spiv> thumper: no news worth reporting :)
[07:47] <doctormo> Internal Server Error when you put a person object into the reviewers attribute.
[07:47] <magcius> Is there any way to change where a branch imports from?
[07:48] <doctormo> magcius: You can modify .bzr/branch/branch.conf is that what you mean?
[07:48] <magcius> doctormo, it's a vcs-import, I don't think I can push it back up
[07:49] <doctormo> Ah
[07:49] <doctormo> ignore me then :-D
[07:51] <thumper> magcius: request a new one
[07:51] <magcius> thumper, so do I have to delete the existing branch and create a new one?
[07:52] <thumper> magcius: that is the easiest thing...
[07:52] <thumper> doctormo: reviewers expects a list of persons
[07:52] <thumper> doctormo: with a matching list of review_types (even if they are none)
[07:52] <doctormo> thumper: Do I have to create some special object for a list of persons?
[07:52] <thumper> no, just a python list of person objects
[07:53] <thumper> doctormo: are you testing on staging?
[07:53] <thumper> 'cause you can
[07:53] <thumper> (but you won't get emails)
[07:53] <doctormo> I think I've got my current lib pointed at edge... I know bad of me.
[07:54] <doctormo> Nop, putting in a python list of people causes an error and an array causes a Internal Server Error.... maybe because I've not specified the review_types
[07:55] <doctormo> Nop, wit review_types, still an error.
[07:56] <thumper> doctormo: the array lengths have to match
[07:56] <thumper> it seems the wifi kickoff doesn't yet effect my quassel tunnel
[07:57] <doctormo> The array lengths are the same. I think it might be a bug in launchpad, because I'm sure an error 500 is bad whatever the input.
[07:58] <thumper> doctormo: take a look at the bzr-pipeline code for lp-submit
[07:58] <thumper> doctormo: abentley wrote that
[07:58] <doctormo> Doing that now actually.
[09:57] <doctormo> How would I get a merge url for opening in a web browser from launchpadlib merge_request object?
[11:15] <willi1>  i have forgotten my email adress on launchpad
[11:16] <willi1> can i register a new accuont
[11:25] <spiv> willi1: sure
[11:25] <spiv> willi1: and if you remember the email address or password later, you can merge them
[11:36] <idnar> I'm trying to follow the directions at http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/upgrade-guide/index.html#migrating-branches-on-launchpad
[11:36] <idnar> oh nevermind, I just figured it out
[11:37] <idnar> but it seems like Launchpad's UI has changed a bit since those were written (or maybe that's just on edge)
[12:01] <spiv> idnar: hmm, quite possible.  Please file a bug?
[12:02] <idnar> against which project?
[12:07] <spiv> idnar: bzr, for those docs
[12:07] <idnar> okay
[13:21] <abcoates> Hi. I'm trying to set up my 1st project in Launchpad.  I have some ZIP files that I wanted to upload and have them appear in the "Downloads" section of the project's main page.  However, I can't find any direct instructions in the Launchpad help for how to do that.  Am I missing something obvious?
[13:36] <abcoates> No-one hear knows?
[13:36] <abcoates> (hear -> here)
[13:40] <abcoates> Oh wait, it looks like I need to read the stuff here, might have the answer: https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/SeriesMilestonesReleases
[15:45] <sproaty> what's the recommended procedure for translating my HTML documentation?
[16:38] <Some_Person> Aha! I finally solved the problem I was having last night. It seems the package needs to depend on itself for some reason. It seems wrong, but it works.
[17:01] <geser> what kind of problem was it?
[21:55] <RiotingPacifist> are there any problems with launchpad? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=kdm won't load for me today
[22:00] <aalex> My package failed to build since the dependency python-central was unmet. https://launchpad.net/~sat-metalab/+archive/propulseart/+packages : Will it try again to build it using an other computer, or something?
[22:01] <ScottK> aalex: You are really intending to build for Dapper?
[22:02] <aalex> ScottK: well, I don't mind. Should I build it for Karmic ?
[22:02] <aalex> ScottK: My package should be supported on LTS. Dapper
[22:02] <wgrant> Dapper is the old LTS.
[22:02] <wgrant> And is no longer supported on the desktop.
[22:03] <ScottK> And Python packaging has changed a LOT since Dapper.
[22:03] <aalex> Would I have more chances on Karmic? (I would like it to be in the next Ubuntu LTS, if possible)
[22:03] <wgrant> Right, it's almost completely different.
[22:03] <ScottK> It's possible to support Dapper, but not without custom packaging.
[22:03] <aalex> Oh, what is the current LTS?
[22:03] <ScottK> Hardy
[22:03] <aalex> Oups
[22:03] <wgrant> Hardy
[22:03] <aalex> yeah, I meant Hardy. Damn.
[22:03] <wgrant> Lag :(
[22:03] <aalex> I will re-upload my package for Hardy this time.
[22:04] <aalex> My changelog should sat "hardy" as a distroseries?
[22:04] <aalex> or"Hardy"?
[22:04] <wgrant> Yes.
[22:04] <wgrant> 'hardy'
[22:04] <aalex> ok, thanks !
[22:05] <mwhudson> RiotingPacifist: it's not working for me either
[22:07]  * mwhudson sees some slow queries in the log
[22:11] <wgrant> B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[A[B[B[B[B[B[B
[22:18] <mwhudson> wgrant: i agree
[22:19] <geser> shouldn't that one [A after the dots be a [B too?
[22:21] <RiotingPacifist> ofc not that completely changes the meaning!
[22:24] <geser> anyone around who can see what caused OOPS-1476FTPMASTER1?
[22:29] <wgrant> mwhudson: I am currently struggling to get wifi :(
[22:29] <wgrant> geser: Do you have an upload log for lothat?
[22:31] <geser> wgrant: that's what happened after seb128 tried syncing libxcb on friday