[14:32] <yofel> hmpf, well, you're right
[14:44] <nacho_> Hi guys
[14:44] <nacho_> any idea why I get: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lssl when building gedit in lucid?
[14:45] <penguin42> nacho_: It sounds like you need the dev package for openssl
[14:46] <yofel> nacho_: tried running 'sudo apt-get build-dep gedit'?
[14:46] <penguin42> nacho_: Try installing libssl-dev
[14:46] <nacho_> weird, we don't depend on libssl...
[14:46] <nacho_> maybe a new dependency in from python?
[14:51] <dlublink> hi
[14:52] <dlublink> ok
[14:52] <dlublink> KDE, Gnome, XFCE, they are desktop managers right ?
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> Desktop Environments might be a bit more correct, but yes
[14:54] <dlublink> Ok
[14:54] <dlublink> I am starting a page called "DesktopEnvironmentComparison" in wiki.ubuntu.com, I can't find a decent comprehensive, end user targeted comparison of the different desktops
[15:27] <david> Hey
[15:27] <david> so I started my page, KDE users, why do you use KDE and not gnome ?
[15:29] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[15:29] <_Groo_> whos responsible for the libdirac change of name?
[15:30] <_Groo_> latest libdirac breaks gstreamer bad plugins
[15:33] <dlublink> Hey
[15:52] <setuid> How can I get rid of the red criss-cross hashlines in the popup notification messages?
[15:53] <penguin42> setuid: They're just some debug in at the moment I believe
[15:53] <setuid> Like when I increase screen brightness, or when a network connects/disconnects
[15:54] <setuid> Going from karmic to lucid is a HUGE leap, not an incremental set of changes
[15:54] <arand> I saw that for a while, seems to have gone in recent updates for me.
[15:54] <setuid> Almost nothing is compatible or the same
[15:54] <setuid> In terms of launching/running apps, lucid is 20-30% slower too, I've noticed.
[15:54] <setuid> Is every package running in max debug mode?
[15:55] <setuid> Everything, from mc to ls to epiphany, is noticably slower
[15:56] <nekohayo> um.. I think there's a bunch of new bugs being filed on pitivi on launchpad due to ubuntu pulling out HAL... I can't triage them all alone, I'll need help :|
[15:57] <setuid> arand, Looks like they're back then, this build is current as of late last night
[15:58] <arand> I'll chack what updating does here
[15:58] <arand> s/chack/check
[15:58] <yofel> okay... after todays updates I don't have a panel anymore in kde o.O
[16:02] <pasjr> Dose any one know if I change the max_temp in Config Editor will the fan respond accordingly
[16:07] <pasjr> any one in here
[16:09] <yofel> pasjr: no idea
[16:10] <pasjr> ok i c i can change max temp, so i was wondering if fan would react.  guess i will change and test it
[16:11] <pasjr> yofel: do you know anything about acpitool -W
[16:12] <yofel> hm, seems like my ~/.kde folder is corrupt somewhere, I get a plasma-desktop without a panel, but everything looks fine if I use a fresh ~/.kde
[16:12] <yofel> pasjr: nope
[16:12] <pasjr> ok thanks
[16:13] <pasjr> is there any linux gurus in here
[16:17] <setuid> pasjr, plenty
[16:18] <pasjr> setuid: if I change max_temp in Config Editor will my fan act accordingly ?
[16:19] <setuid> What is Config Editor?
[16:19] <setuid> Never heard of it... some GUI tool?
[16:20] <pasjr> ok you dont know the answer to that., my other question is acpitool -W is it worth enableing all?
[16:21] <setuid> Being a Linux guru (and I've been running/developing software for Linux for 15 years), does not mean I know every single function in every single desktop application.
[16:21] <pasjr> yes it is a gui to control vairous settings
[16:21] <pasjr> I did not mean to offend you
[16:22] <pasjr> I to have been doing this way to long and yet to have all the answers
[16:22] <setuid> You'll never have all the answers, ever.
[16:22] <setuid> I've been doing this a long time, and I'm still here asking questions, because it changes all the time
[16:23] <pasjr> I think if you sudo gconfig editor you will see what i am talking about not sure though
[16:23] <setuid> pasjr, Your second question, depends on what you want to wake up, but you can configure that in /etc/acpi/events
[16:23] <setuid> gconf-editor?
[16:23] <pasjr> yes
[16:23] <setuid> What's the path to the member you're talking about?
[16:23] <setuid> /foo/bar/what?
[16:24] <setuid> /apps/computertemp/max_temp
[16:24] <pasjr> yes
[16:24] <setuid> Assuming you have a daemon monitoring it, yes.
[16:24] <setuid> tpfand or simialr
[16:25] <pasjr> ok thank you
[16:25] <setuid> All gconf is, is a registry. If apps query that registry and behave according to its settings, it should work.
[16:25] <setuid> You can try it... set the threshold low, and listen to your fan, then set it higher than that, and see if the fan stays off after you do something to raise the temp
[16:39] <nysosym> any new bugs with the today gcc updates?
[16:48] <bjsnider> but the difference between gconf and the windows registry is that the settings are not at the superadmin level or hardware level
[16:49]  * penguin42 would love to know what's giving the privelidge to add VMs using virtual machine manager and allocate space on his volume group as a normal user
[16:50] <penguin42> I guess I'm a member of libvertd group - seem sto be giving me a lot
[16:55] <dupondje> is 10.04 also having CIFS issues? Now i'm having the issue that I get buffer underruns when playing music from a cifs network share
[16:58] <BluesKaj> dupondje, could be , especially if you are running kde4.4RC...lots of crashes and dirs dying unexpectedly
[16:59] <Spirits-Sight> can anyone help with getting synce to work so that when I connect my device to the computer it would show as a drive?
[16:59] <setuid> Spirits-Sight, what device?
[16:59] <dupondje> BluesKaj: have issues under Karmic atm
[16:59] <Spirits-Sight> win ce 6
[16:59] <dupondje> just wanted to know if its maby solved under Lucid
[16:59] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:00] <Spirits-Sight> setuid: ^^^
[17:01] <Spirits-Sight> setuid: its a form of PDA, it uses a custom shell over the win ce 6 but it would use normal activesync / win mobile center if on windows system
[17:13] <Spirits-Sight> can anyone help with getting synce to work so that when I connect my device to the computer it would show as a drive? its a form of PDA, it uses a custom shell over the win ce 6 but it would use normal activesync / win mobile center if on windows system
[17:29] <Spirits-Sight> my system did not do a correct upgrade for the alptha 2, what can I do to get it to do the distro update?
[17:32] <penguin42> how did it fail?
[17:40] <setuid> How do I get rid of the 1px border around my desktop wallpaper in lucid?
[17:41] <arand> and choosing different soom levels doesn't change things?
[17:41] <arand> setuid: s/soom/zoom/
[17:41] <setuid> arand, Nope, every style does the same for every wallpaper
[17:41] <setuid> Even no wallpaper
[17:42] <setuid> oh wait... killed off nautilus, and the border went away (until it auto-restarted)
[17:44] <arand> setuid: hmm, "ubuntu-bug nautilus", I don't see anything like that on mine here..
[17:46] <penguin42> setuid: What is the size of your background image compared to your monitor?
[17:47] <setuid> penguin42, identical, 1920x1200
[17:47] <penguin42> hmm curious
[17:47] <penguin42> is it set to scale or centre or what?
[17:48] <setuid> All of them did the same thing... 1px grey'ish border, until I killed off nautilus
[17:48] <setuid> then it fixed itself
[17:48] <penguin42> hmm very odd
[17:49] <setuid> I'll see if it happens when I relog
[17:49] <setuid> Probably happens if nautilus starts up before the wm, or vice versa
[18:15] <setuid> How do I run ecryptfs-mount-private from the CLI to gain access to my home directory's contents?
[18:16] <setuid> I've mounted my old (damaged) drive, which was dm-crypt/LUKS, and I can see everything, except /home/setuid
[18:17] <arand> setuid: there are no options in the mount command? mount.ecryptfs?
[18:18] <setuid> hrm, I think I found something
[18:21] <setuid> ah, I found it... not intuitve though
[18:53]  * setuid blogs about the details
[19:21] <bmm> setuid: did you file a bug on the 1px grayish border on the desktop? I just reproduced it by renaming something on my desktop
[19:25] <setuid> bmm, I think when nautilus refreshes, it paints that border
[19:25] <setuid> Does it go away if you killall -9 nautilus?
[19:26] <jonathonf> it also goes if you do a nautilus -q
[19:26] <bmm> Havn't tried that yet, but I consider it a bug anyway :)
[19:26] <jonathonf> i think there has been a bug filed, read about it on the forums
[19:30] <bmm> jonathonf: which forum, I've been trying a few google queries, but can't find anything :(
[19:30] <jonathonf> ubuntuforums.org
[19:31] <jonathonf> i'll try and find the thread, hang on
[19:32] <jonathonf> bmm: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1379469
[19:34] <bmm> jonathonf: that is the problem alright. Same thing here, does not seem to be linked to the graphics driver :)
[19:35] <jonathonf> bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/507263
[19:35] <jonathonf> just about to do a quick "me too" on it
[19:37] <bmm> jonathonf: just did that myself, thanks for the help!
[19:38] <jonathonf> np :)
[19:45] <setuid> arand, http://blog.gnu-designs.com/solved-howto-mount-an-external-encrypted-luks-volume-under-linux
[19:48] <arand> setuid: nice, quite a bit of of hoop-jumping I see :)
[19:48] <setuid> arand, a bit
[19:48] <setuid> arand, I'm going to be doing even more hoop-jumping to get my data off of my Drobo
[19:49] <setuid> I had 1.2TB of data on it, upgraded the firmware on the physical unit (using their Windows tools), and it never booted my disk pack again. Data Robotics claims that's because I'm using Linux.
[19:49] <setuid> But that Drobo had been rebooted hundreds of times over the last year, and never failed. The first boot after a firwmare upgrade, and it refuses to complete booting, holding 1.2TB of my data hostage
[19:51] <arand> hmm, and they jump on anything which will make you, not them, responsible for the lost data, how lovely...
[19:51] <setuid> Exactly
[19:52] <setuid> Apparently I'm just shit out of luck. They don't even partner with any data recovery firms to help recover the data. Their answer? You should have backed up your data to a second Drobo.
[19:52] <jussi01> setuid: please watch the language
[19:52] <setuid> jussi01, sorry
[19:57] <setuid> I'm going to be doing some low-level hackery on the disk pack, after I image it. I'm going to try to replace the previous firmware's header on each of the disks. When you upgrade the Drobo itself, it auto-upgrades the disk pack version too, to match.
[19:57] <setuid> So you can't use a 1.3.5 disk pack in a 1.3.1 drobo
[20:00] <ueu001> Found a bug. I think that the problem comes from gnome-panel though Bug #508880
[20:13] <nysosym> if i wanne join #ubuntu-dev empathy crashs, can anyone confirm this?
[20:14] <_Groo_> ubuntu gurus, latest libdirac breaks gstreamer bad plugins and consequently a lot of progs that depends on it
[20:33] <arand> _Groo_: Report a bug ;)
[20:34] <_Groo_> arand: i did :)
[20:34] <_Groo_> arand: its attached to the fix release bug of the libdirac package
[20:35] <_Groo_> arand: im trying to reach jdstrand in ubuntu-hardened, but i guess hes of for the weekend
[20:52] <dotblank> how far along is lucid?
[20:53] <_Groo_> dotblank: alpha2
[20:53] <xteejx> Hey guys, are nvidia drivers in place for Lucid? My performance is quite bad
[20:54] <BUGabundo> yeah performance wise it aint that big
[20:55] <BUGabundo> 200fps with compiz speedeer
[20:55] <BUGabundo> used to be 300
[20:55] <xteejx> oh dear
[20:55] <xteejx> I'm screwed at 10 then..... I'll look into it
[20:56] <BUGabundo> 1003 frames in 5.0 seconds with glxgears fullscreen
[20:56] <BUGabundo> xteejx: disable bsync?
[20:56] <xteejx> huh??
[20:56] <BUGabundo> *vsync
[22:05] <DanaG> hmm, does kde4 handle multi-pointer X?
[22:21] <DanaG> what the heck happened to my kde4.4 panel and all that?
[22:22] <DanaG> It's like it lost some of my settings.
[22:34] <yofel> DanaG: heh, here I lost my whole panel and a folder view widget (the widgets that were there from the beginning), I added them back by hand (though removing the ~.kde folder woks too)
[22:35] <yofel> s/woks/works
[22:35] <DanaG> yeah, I did that.. but it wiped out all my other kde settings, too.
[22:35] <yofel> yeah, that's why I decided to add the panel back manually, less work in the end -.-
[23:05] <DanaG> grr, plasma-desktop died, and krunner is not running.
[23:05] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/508930
[23:05] <dupondje> can somebody try to reproduce in Lucid ?
[23:25] <crimsun> maco: the actual conditions are plymouth+passphrase entry
[23:25] <maco> crimsun: oh ok
[23:27] <chashall> ok maco you have a minute or 2?
[23:27] <maco> yeah
[23:27] <chashall> alright a couple of things i want to ask that arent lucid specific is that ok in this channel?
[23:28] <maco> depends what they are i guess
[23:28] <maco> did you have motu questions?
[23:29] <chashall> i want my ntfs partion showing and browsable before i do the upgrade, i have used pysdm before but cant seem to get it going
[23:32] <chashall> maco and my other question has to do with were to import my pgp key so i can use it, it is also stored on the ntfs drive
[23:32] <chashall> and then i want to do the 10.04 upgrade to start work
[23:46] <chashall> maco i'll try you again when you have time bud. thanks for getting me started on this
[23:46] <chashall> laters