[00:04] <ruben23> jmarsden:sorry got delayed..i have chnaged it..ill cehck now
[00:08] <jmarsden> ruben23: Try smbclient //xxx.xx.xx.xxx/recordings2 -U AGENT
[00:08] <ruben23> ok
[00:08] <jmarsden> Something is odd.  Are you sure the xxx.xx.xx.xxx is correct everywhere?
[00:09] <ruben23> jmarsden: very brilliant
[00:09] <ruben23> you got it right
[00:09] <ruben23> the xxx.xxx.xxx.xx
[00:09] <ruben23> i got a worng value
[00:09] <ruben23> no i entered it, no reply means its done right..?
[00:09] <jmarsden> Yes.  Type mount to check there is a mounted filesystem now
[00:09] <ruben23> its mounted already..? how do i check..?
[00:10] <ruben23> ok
[00:10] <jmarsden> ruben23: Then do ls /media/share to see the files
[00:10] <ruben23> http://pastebin.com/m4e1d5e45
[00:11] <jmarsden> ruben23: Ok, line 17 says all is well.  Can you see the files now under /media/share ?
[00:11] <ruben23>  jmarsden: what i want to do actually is copy files form my ubuntu server to windows
[00:11] <ruben23> yes
[00:11] <jmarsden> OK, so you are all set.
[00:11] <ruben23> not yet
[00:12] <jmarsden> ruben23: But if that is all you want to do, I'd just have installed Putty on Windows and used pscp to copy the files -- way simpler than messing with SAMBA :)
[00:12] <jmarsden> Why not yet??
[00:12] <ruben23> i need to automate it..
[00:12] <ruben23> like it will copy automatically
[00:12] <jmarsden> Automate what?  The copying?  Set up a cron job.
[00:12] <ruben23> actually its not copy its move
[00:13] <ruben23> is copy and move the same command
[00:13] <ruben23> i would like to used rsync
[00:13] <jmarsden> ruben23: You need to read a really basic Linux tutorial if you think copy and move are the same command :)
[00:13] <ruben23> :-Dok sorry about that
[00:14] <jmarsden> rsync will sync files, it won't move them, as far as I know.
[00:14] <ruben23> jmarsden:so ill make mv command on my cronjob..
[00:15] <jmarsden> ruben23: Well, apaprently there is a --remove-source-files option to rsync, so you can probably use that if you prefer
[00:15] <ruben23> cox every day recording are accumalted on one of my directory..i need to migrate it to the windows to clear up space on it
[00:15] <jmarsden> ruben23: If the files are new each day. rsync won't really save you much time, so use mv and keep it simple.
[00:16] <ruben23> ok
[00:17] <ruben23> its like file are added dauly on that directory so size are increasing tremendously
[00:17] <ruben23> can i make the command a cript..?
[00:18] <jmarsden> ruben23: You can; something like    mv /path/to/newrecordings /media/share/     # is all it will take, though.
[00:18] <jmarsden> ruben23: You can; something like    mv /path/to/newrecordings/* /media/share/     # is all it will take, though.
[00:19] <ruben23> jmarsden:very nice, the crojob schedule would be..hmm
[00:21] <jmarsden> Whatever you need it to be.  Evern hour, if you want :)
[00:21] <jmarsden> *Every
[00:22] <ruben23> jmarsden:ill be setting it on dail cron jobs..?
[00:23] <ruben23> should i use crontab-e..?
[00:23] <jmarsden> ruben23: You can add a line to your crontab, or you can create a script in /etc/cron.daily/  instead.
[00:24] <jmarsden> ruben23: You can do it any number of ways.  Yes, crontab -e should work.
[00:25] <ruben23> jmarsden:got so many jobs on my crontab -e...--->http://pastebin.com/m23f86bac
[00:27] <jmarsden> ruben23: You really should put a MAILTO=ruben23@example.com   line at the top so you get email from these jobs if they do unexepected things...
[00:27] <ruben23>  jmarsden: i plan to run it like every after after 9 hours of working the command will run
[00:27] <ruben23> how do i execute it
[00:28] <ruben23> i just put that command  MAILTO=ruben23@example.com
[00:29] <jmarsden> If that is your email address, yes :)  And this assumes you have email working on the server, of course.
[00:30] <spowers> i'm confused about what kernel image to use if I'm running in a xen domU
[00:31] <spowers> on 8.04 i was using linux-image-2.6.24-24-xen
[00:31] <spowers> but linux-image-xen does not exist in lucid (which i'm trying to test in our environment)
[00:31] <spowers> however, linux-image-virtual and linux-image-ec2 exist
[00:33] <ruben23>  jmarsden:---> ill have like this  30 9 * * *  mv /path/to/newrecordings/* /media/share/
[00:42] <ruben23>  jmarsden:tahnks anyway for you help
[00:43] <jmarsden> ruben23: You're welcome.
[00:48] <ruben23> jmarsden: one more thing i forgot. how do i add it on my fstab to be mounted automatically every reboot..?
[00:50] <jmarsden> ruben23: Just add all the stuff you used in the mount command as a line in /etc/fstab. man fstab for details on what goes where.
[01:12] <osmosis> my server went down. i dont see any explanation. the only thing i could find was high swap access for the 1 hour preceding the crash.
[01:14] <osmosis> any ideas for how i could investigate this?
[01:18] <osmosis> man...irc has been dead lately
[01:50] <osmosis> anywhere else I can recover crash information besides /var/log ?
[01:59] <osmosis> i just had a server crash, appears to have been kernel related. i dont see anything in the logs. AHCI interrupts started climbing and then the box froze. Any crash dump info I can locate ?
[01:59] <osmosis> using  2.6.24-26-server #1 SMP  on hardy LTS 32bit
[02:08] <Zelest> I'm trying to create a raid5 using mdadm, and after I run then --create command, --detail show me 2 of the disks as "active sync" and the third one as "spare rebuilding" .. is that normal for initiating a raid5 or is something goofy going on here? :o
[02:21] <osmosis> Zelest, if the third drive is a member of the raid, it shouldnt say spare.
[02:21] <Zelest> As I though, as it's rebuilding something..
[02:22] <Zelest> None of them has been a part of a raid before, so I don't get what it is that's being rebuilt
[02:25] <sabgenton> hey all
[02:26] <sabgenton> erm i damionized hostpad and don't know how to stop it?
[02:26] <sabgenton> hostapd -B
[02:26] <sabgenton> runs it in background
[02:30] <osmosis> Zelest, it has to build the raid the first time it is initialized.
[02:31] <Zelest> osmosis: I did a --assume-clean and it was quite instant.. no idea if that's a good or bad thing though :o
[02:35] <ph8> oh dear sabgenton
[02:35] <ph8> ps faux | grep hostap
[02:35] <ph8> find its process id
[02:35] <ph8> and kill it
[02:35] <sabgenton> kil
[02:35] <ph8> assuming you want a one off stop
[02:35] <sabgenton> ok
[02:35] <ph8> i don't know what hostpad is
[02:35] <ph8> but to start/stop it in the background perhaps check /etc/init.d
[02:35] <sabgenton> yeah I'm jsut runing it straight
[02:36] <ph8> there's usually a command like /etc/init.d/hostpad start
[02:36] <ph8> that you can execute
[02:36] <ph8> and ofc stop
[02:36] <sabgenton> oh
[02:36] <sabgenton> init.d
[02:36] <sabgenton> I know i could just kill -2 it
[02:36] <ph8> well i'd try kill <pid>
[02:36] <sabgenton> but I wondered if there was a  proper way
[02:36] <ph8> then if that fails kill -9 <pid>
[02:36] <ph8> i'm not even sure what signal 2 is
[02:36] <sabgenton> its the same as ctrl c
[02:37] <sabgenton> and that works if I don't daemonise it
[02:37] <jmarsden> kill -l   # lists all the signal names/numbers for reference
[02:37] <sabgenton> I know what it is
[02:37] <ph8> good reference
[02:37] <sabgenton> ctrl c is int or kill -2
[02:37] <sabgenton> true
[02:38] <jmarsden> sabgenton: You are saying "hostpad" ... do you mean "hostapd" ?
[02:39] <sabgenton> yeah
[02:39] <sabgenton> ok it is in init.d
[02:39] <sabgenton> teh
[02:40] <jmarsden> OK, so you can do  sudo /etc/init.d/hostapd stop
[02:40] <jmarsden> Or sudo /sbin/service hostapd stop
[02:40] <sabgenton> I started it with hostapd -B
[02:40] <sabgenton> B means damionize
[02:40] <sabgenton> so I thought there might be a way to reverse it
[02:40] <jmarsden> That's what /etc/init.d/hostapd start does...
[02:41] <sabgenton> like hostapd -UB
[02:41] <sabgenton> hehe
[02:41] <jmarsden> "Reverse it?"
[02:41] <jmarsden> Just stop it and then start it however you want it.  But running hostapd as a daemon is the *normal* way ro tun it anyway.  Why do you want it to run in the foreground?
[02:41] <sabgenton> first of  all I didn't know about init.d for hostapd (i was just following tutorials
[02:41] <sabgenton> )
[02:42] <jmarsden> sabgenton: Learn NOT to do that!  Use man pages not random tutorials you don't fully understand.  ALways.
[02:42] <sabgenton> second I asumed if there was a way to start  it as a damion just buy /usr/sbin/hostapd I was wondering if there was allso a way to stop it that way?
[02:43] <jmarsden> Why would there be?  man hostapd describes what you can do with that command.  Read it.  Do not assume things :)
[02:43] <sabgenton> jmarsden: I agree in principal
[02:43] <sabgenton> man hostpad ssays -B
[02:43] <jmarsden> sabgenton: So now you need to *act* on your beliefs.
[02:44] <jmarsden> sabgenton: When you truly believe something, it affects the way you behave.
[02:44] <sabgenton> that was not what I meant
[02:44] <jmarsden> sabgenton: Right but it has no -UB or whatever... which you "thought it might" have...
[02:45] <sabgenton> any way I read the man pages and it didn't have init.d
[02:45] <sabgenton> that was a fictional example
[02:45] <jmarsden> sabgenton: You installed a package.  So find out what you installed, dpkg -L hostapd   lists all files installed.
[02:45] <sabgenton> man says:   " -B     Run daemon in the background."
[02:45] <sabgenton> but i doesn't say how to stop
[02:46] <sabgenton> ph8: when a man page says this is the standerd way to stop done with kill ?
[02:46] <jmarsden> Right, and that is what the scripts do for you.  The big clue was that when you installed it you saw a line something like " * Starting advanced IEEE 802.11 management                    [ OK ]"
[02:47] <jmarsden> sabgenton: When a daemon is packaged, the standard is to include a script in /etc/init.d/ which knows how to start and stop it.
[02:47] <sabgenton> jmarsden: yeah well I'd find that by googling
[02:47] <sabgenton> not reading a man page
[02:47] <jmarsden> That would be wasting time, man pages are definitive and Google isn't.
[02:47] <sabgenton> lol
[02:47] <sabgenton> holy man
[02:48] <sabgenton> sorry but its not all making peferfect sence like that
[02:48] <sabgenton> I agree I need to read more mans though
[02:48] <jmarsden> The articles you Googled all "make perfect sense"?  Wow!
[02:48] <sabgenton> (which I did)
[02:48] <sabgenton> no
[02:49] <osmosis> i just had a server crash, appears to have been kernel related. i dont see anything in the logs. AHCI interrupts started climbing and then the box froze. Any crash dump info I can locate ?
[02:49] <sabgenton> nothings perfect thats my point
[02:50] <jmarsden> osmosis: Probably not.  On some setups you can use the sysreq key and then anotehr key to manually initiate dumps when systems appear frozen... but if you didn't do that before rebooting, there will be no dump.
[02:50] <sabgenton> jmarsden: whenn a demon is packaged is it standerd for the distro to put it in /etc/init.d or would building it from standerd source do so to?
[02:51] <osmosis> jmarsden, it sure feels horrible to have a crash and have nothing to investigate it on
[02:51] <jmarsden> sabgenton: That is a Debian/Ubuntu standard for daemon management scripts, so the scripts are usually done as part of the packaging process.  SOme upstream sources will include a sysv init script,
[02:51] <jmarsden> osmosis: AHCI... how do you know AHCI interrupts climbed?  WHat monitoring did you have enabled?
[02:51] <osmosis> jmarsden, all i have is some munin graphs showing AHCI interrupts growing for about 45 minutes prior to the crash.
[02:52] <sabgenton> jmarsden: I'm just trying to  understand why man hostapd says you can hostapd -B without giveing  a means to stop it If they intended  for init.d to be the way to go why do they not mention it rather than hostapd -B
[02:53] <jmarsden> sabgenton: The man page documents the program hostapd.  It has a -B option so that is documented there.
[02:53] <jmarsden> How you start and stop process is general is not something you would put in a man page for that one program.
[02:54] <sabgenton> fair enough man
[02:54] <sabgenton> funny you told me about the man page and not some ubuntu server guide on the offical website
[02:54] <jmarsden> If you want info on init scripts in general in Debian/Ubuntu, see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-sysvinit
[02:54] <sabgenton> I was just curous about -B
[02:55] <sabgenton> and if it had a counterpard
[02:55] <sabgenton> and if it had a counterpart
[02:55] <jmarsden> Then you found the info (about -B) in the man page.  And reading all of that man page, you would know (not have to guess) that it has no "kill hostapd" counterpart, because man pages are definiteiv, and so if there was one, it would (should!) have been documented in that same man page.
[02:56] <sabgenton> jmarsden: I find it pays to learn about the executables aswell as just the distros way of getting them up
[02:56] <sabgenton> for when the distro stuffs up
[02:56] <jmarsden> How many bugs have you filed so far about the "distro stuffing up"?  Can you give me some bug numbers I can look up?
[02:57] <jmarsden> Maybe I can even fix some of them, if they are packaging bugs.
[02:58] <sabgenton> ok or I can master the distro fast enough
[02:58] <sabgenton> I'm happy to be an idiot
[02:58] <sabgenton> like right now I can't get sudo service networking start
[02:58] <sabgenton> to work
[02:59] <jmarsden> I'm just confused... if "it pays" then there would be bugs you have already filed, right...
[02:59] <jmarsden> Try sudo /sbin/service networking start
[02:59] <jmarsden> Unless you know /sbin is in your $PATH already.
[03:00] <sabgenton> well it doesn't come up with command not found
[03:01] <osmosis> any way to figure out what processes are accessing the disks ?
[03:01] <jmarsden> osmosis: lsof is the usual tool for that
[03:01] <ScottK> iotop is another one
[03:01] <sabgenton> jmarsden: well i use ifup on each nic and then it seems to pick what I put it /etc/interfaces
[03:02] <sabgenton> jmarsden: all Im saying is I don't know ubuntu as well as I should (or ubuntu stuffed up) and knowing the ifconfig  commands etc at least going me going in the mean time
[03:03] <sabgenton> though I would love to get it working properly
[03:03] <jmarsden> sabgenton: So what exactly are you typing to try and restart networking, and what happens when you do?
[03:04] <sabgenton> $ /etc/init.d/networking start
[03:04] <sabgenton> Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)
[03:04] <sabgenton> utility, e.g. service networking start
[03:04] <sabgenton> Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an
[03:04] <sabgenton> Upstart job, you may also use the start(8) utility, e.g. start networking
[03:04] <sabgenton> start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.11" (uid=1000 pid=3091 comm="start) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init"))
[03:04] <sabgenton> oops
[03:05] <sabgenton> sudo service networking start networking stop/waiting
[03:05] <jmarsden> sabgenton: If networking has already been started, you probably want to *restart* it, not *start* it.
[03:05] <sabgenton> jmarsden: I have auto on my NICs
[03:06] <jmarsden> So try   sudo /sbin/service networking restart   # and see if that does what you want/need/expect
[03:06] <sabgenton> I'm going to cry if that was it
[03:08] <sabgenton> sudo /usr/sbin/service networking restart
[03:08] <sabgenton> restart: Unknown instance:
[03:09] <jmarsden> sabgenton: Either the manual stuff you did earlier confused things, or there's a bug in your /etc/network/interfaces of some sort, I think.
[03:09] <jmarsden> Can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces somewhere so we can see it?
[03:10] <jmarsden> sabgenton: Oh, wait... I said   sudo /sbin/service ... and you said    sudo /usr/sbin/service  -- why?
[03:10] <sabgenton> ok
[03:11] <sabgenton> strange i only just installed karmic
[03:11] <sabgenton> oh but i did an upgrade
[03:11] <jmarsden> Ah... I was wrong, that's why... it should be /usr/sbin/service ....
[03:11] <sabgenton> ok
[03:11] <sabgenton> do u want me to pastebin it?
[03:11] <jmarsden> Anyway... pastebin /etc/network/interfaces somewhere so I can see it.  Yes, please.
[03:12] <sabgenton> oh fudge
[03:12] <sabgenton> um i didn't auto the interfaces
[03:12] <sabgenton> but still I should be able to start it
[03:12] <sabgenton> ?
[03:12] <sabgenton> ..
[03:13] <sabgenton> pasting
[03:13] <sabgenton> http://pastebin.ca/1754247
[03:15] <jmarsden> sabgenton: OK, that looks very boring and normal, so add auto eth0 and then lets try sudo /usr/sbin/service networking stop  # check all interfaces are down, then sudo /usr/sbin/service networking start   # and see what happens.
[03:16] <jmarsden> sabgenton: You are at the physical console of this server, right?  So stopping networking won't prevent you from use the machine? :)
[03:16] <sabgenton> yes well I didn't want to do anything un man ly :P
[03:16] <sabgenton> it won't prevent me but I am remote
[03:16] <sabgenton> be cause I'm not conected via those interfaces
[03:17] <sabgenton> meah maybe thats way
[03:17] <jmarsden> OK.  You have remote console access somehow, then.  That's fine.
[03:17] <sabgenton> :)
[03:19] <sabgenton> is it better practice to put auto above the iface or just all auto statements at the top?
[03:20] <jmarsden> No strong preference.  Your file is short anyway... I'd put them at the top.
[03:20] <sabgenton> oh i put them by the iface
[03:20] <ziesemer_> I used to be able to add an additional IPv6 address to eth0 by specifying a "iface eth0:1 inet static" stanza in /etc/network/interfaces.  Seems to have broken from Jaunty to Karmic?  Still works for IPv4, but not IPv6.  Results in "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address" error...
[03:20] <jmarsden> sabgenton: Either way is fine.
[03:21] <jmarsden> ziesemer_: I'm not sufficiently IPv6-expert to help with that; you might want to search Launchpad and file a bug if yu don't find one is there already about that.
[03:21] <sabgenton> joshua@ubuntu:~$ sudo /usr/sbin/service networking restart
[03:21] <sabgenton> restart: Unknown instance:
[03:23] <sabgenton> ziesemer_: don't u  need inet6 not inet
[03:23] <ziesemer_> jmarsden_: Thanks.  sabgenton:  Correct, I had.
[03:23] <ziesemer_> (Wrong copy/paste.)
[03:24] <sabgenton> i can't remmber if it's excatley that
[03:24] <sabgenton> think so
[03:24] <sabgenton> man!
[03:24] <sabgenton> :)
[03:24] <sabgenton> jmarsden: so far no quick fix
[03:24] <ziesemer_> The "interfaces" file was working under Jaunty and copied over, so I'll have to investigate the bug possibility...
[03:26] <sabgenton> jmarsden: anyway I hate to be religous about it or  or something but If I did'nt know ifup or ifconfig  I wouln't have my network up right now
[03:26] <sabgenton> but I wan't to learn ubuntu more
[03:27] <jmarsden> sabgenton: I'm not sure about that; if you had asked for help earlier before trying manual approaches, I suspect your issue would no longer exist :)
[03:27] <sabgenton> well i did
[03:27] <sabgenton> i did what u saw in pastebin and nothing happened
[03:27] <sabgenton> so  then I resorted to the latter
[03:28] <sabgenton> I agree with um disto loyalty
[03:28] <sabgenton> or why would i use ubuntu
[03:28] <sabgenton> but it's not perfict
[03:28] <sabgenton> thats all
[03:28] <sabgenton> no ones perfict
[03:29] <sabgenton> jmarsden: I'll tell you whats wrong when I figure it
[03:30] <sabgenton> :)
[03:30] <jmarsden> You might want to try commenting out the wlan lines in the interfaces file and retrying, if that works you know the "Unknown instance:" relates to that interface.
[03:31] <sabgenton> oo
[03:31] <sabgenton> ok
[03:31] <jmarsden> That will help you determine which interface has the issue... I'm less familiar with wireless lan config stuff, it's relatively rare on servers...
[03:37] <sabgenton> not even lo works
[03:38] <sabgenton> or do i need to state what lo  is
[03:38] <sabgenton> 127.0.0.1
[03:38] <sabgenton> localhost
[03:38] <jmarsden> No, just auto lo   and then    iface lo inet loopback     is enough.
[03:39] <jmarsden> Works for me, anyway :)
[03:39] <sabgenton> hm well i commented all but lo
[03:39] <sabgenton> still no go
[03:39] <jmarsden> I don't know where the "Unknown instance:" message is coming from... knowing what script or program outputs that would help...
[03:40] <jmarsden> sabgenton: It's very un-server-like, but you could try rebooting the machine, just in case *that* helps??  I need to go eat dinner, probably will be back later on...
[03:44] <sabgenton> thats cool man
[03:45] <sabgenton> I'm off anyway
[03:45] <sabgenton> talk another time
[03:45] <sabgenton> :D
[03:57] <usrv> jmarsden, skaag: So I completely started from scratch on the raid. I had some wierd errors going on too. So I stopped the array, uninstalled/reinstalled mdadm, deleted and remade the partitions on the drives, zero-superblocked them just to be safe, made the array again, copied
[03:58] <usrv> ...copied ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid5 num-devices=4 metadata=00.90 UUID=89dad939:59e44f74:766ed327:47779459 over to mdadm.conf and rebooted
[03:58] <usrv> and we're solid
[04:00] <jmarsden> usrv: OK, glad you finally have it working :)
[04:01] <usrv> again, thanks for the help. I've learned a lot
[04:02] <jmarsden> You're welcome
[04:11] <Edlik> trying to setup ubuntu server, need help setting up ip address. I am new to all of this
[04:17] <jmarsden> Edlik: What specifically do you need help with?  You are in the installer at the screen with manual network settings, right?
[04:20] <Edlik> jmarsden: correct, i am following a tutorial here http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-9.10-ispconfig-3-p3 but I am stuck with what numbers i sould put in for the addresses. I have another ubuntu desktop into the same router if I could use those numbers? I am trying to do a fixed ip instead of dhcp
[04:20] <jmarsden> such tutorials usually lead to grief, because people follow them blindly...
[04:21] <jmarsden> What numbers does your other Ubuntu machine use?
[04:21] <Edlik> jmarsden: give me a minute to post a screenshot
[04:21] <ScottK> You'd want the first three the same.  The last one different.
[04:22] <jmarsden> Edlik: Don't spend time on a screenshot.  What is the IP address of the Ubuntu desktop.  Then change the last of the 4 numbers and you should be OK.
[04:23] <Edlik> what would I change it to?
[04:24] <jmarsden> Add 1 to it, if you like.  Any number between 2 and 253 that is not currently used by abother PC on your network.
[04:25] <Edlik> awesome, what about netmask, network, broadcast, and gateway?
[04:25] <jmarsden> Those will all be the same as the other Ubuntu desktop PC uses.
[04:26] <Edlik> wow, that is too easy:-D, thank you very much!
[04:28] <jmarsden> You're welcome.   BTW that howto is for an ISP setup... are you sure you know enough to be an ISP?
[04:30] <Edlik> Currently no, but I will learn. Only to host my own sites.
[04:31] <jmarsden> OK... that setup is quite non-Ubuntu-standard (Courier, ispconfig, mydns, etc), so getting help in IRC for some of your setup may be harder than might otherwise be the case.
[04:32] <Edlik> do you have another suggestion? I am all about learning
[04:34] <jmarsden> well, do you really need to do the whole multi-domain email right away?  Why not start with a single domain and learn the command line tools.  For example, You can get email for one domain working quickly using the dovecot-postfix package, near zero configuration.
[04:34] <jmarsden> You can look at ebox if you are desperate for a web based UI, but you'll learn more if you admin your machine primarily from the command line.
[04:36] <jmarsden> There is no "pretty web based UI, easy to install, Ubuntu-standard" multiple domain email and web hosting configuration that I know of.  But how much will you learn by following someone elses steps, cutting and pasting config file iutems you do nto understand, and then using a web interface?
[04:36] <jmarsden> Edlik: Have you read the whole of the Ubuntu Server Guide?  That's a good place to start learning about Ubuntu Server :)
[04:37] <Edlik> I agree toatly, it is like walking blind. I have not read the server guide, but I will now that you mention it.
[04:38] <jmarsden> It is linked to from the /topic of this channel, I think.  https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/index.html
[04:41] <Edlik> found a pdf, downloading now. Thanks for the pointer, I didnt know it existed although I have searched for material. The ubuntu community is awesome! Thanks again for your advice jmarsden :-D
[04:42] <jmarsden> You're welcome.  General advice: Trust official Ubuhntu docs and the man pages; they are generally far more reliable sources of info than blogs/forums/other things Google finds...
[04:49] <MTecknology> So, what's the name of that tool for manaing rstartup processes?
[04:50] <jmarsden> MTecknology: sysv-rc-conf
[04:52] <MTecknology> jmarsden: There's a similar tool that doesn't have the massive grid; any ideas what that is?
[04:52] <MTecknology> chkconfig....
[04:53] <MTecknology> jmarsden: thanks
[04:53] <jmarsden> rcconf ?  Ah, chkconfig is the Redhat-inspired one...
[04:54] <MTecknology> jmarsden: yup, that one
[06:27] <r00tintheb0x> ugh, captcha
[06:29] <jmarsden> r00tintheb0x: captcha?  Here in #ubuntu-server ?  Surely not :)
[06:31] <freaky[t]> in #sbnc on quakenet there is ;D
[06:32] <freaky[t]> u gotta visit a website and it asks u if ure going to request a free bouncer. if you click yes a bot bans and kicks you out of the channel ;D
[06:32] <freaky[t]> if you click no the bot voices u ;D
[06:35] <freaky[t]> and channel is üm ;D
[06:35] <freaky[t]> *+m
[06:45]  * r00tintheb0x sighs.
[06:45] <r00tintheb0x> I just gave my customer the direct URL to WinSCP.
[06:46] <r00tintheb0x> He said he couldn't put his root credentials in there because "its a webpage from the internet"
[06:54] <freaky[t]> r00tintheb0x lol ;D
[06:54] <freaky[t]> i get a new server on friday ;D http://www.hetzner.de/de/hosting/produkte_rootserver/eq6/
[06:54] <freaky[t]> :D
[07:01] <freaky[t]> private server
[07:01] <freaky[t]> :D
[07:42] <r00tintheb0x> Cool!
[07:42] <r00tintheb0x> Congrats freaky[t]
[07:43] <freaky[t]> thx ;p
[07:43] <r00tintheb0x> Who are you going through?
[07:43] <freaky[t]> what do you mean?
[07:43] <r00tintheb0x> nevermind, i found it. hetzner.de
[07:44] <freaky[t]> yea ;D
[07:44] <r00tintheb0x> What monitary damonitation is €?
[07:44] <r00tintheb0x> Leer
[07:44] <r00tintheb0x> ?
[07:44] <jmarsden> Euro
[07:45] <r00tintheb0x> Ah, 69 euro a month?
[07:45] <r00tintheb0x> 99.0633 U.S. dollars a month.
[07:45] <r00tintheb0x> freaky[t], lets talk in #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:26] <j416> How is the proper way to schedule recurring tasks on Ubuntu Server 9.10 ?
[08:26] <j416> cron?
[08:27] <jmarsden> j416: Basically, yes.  Either add a crontab entry or add a script to /etc/cron.{daily,hourly,weekly,monthly}/
[08:27] <j416> jmarsden: neat! thank you
[08:28] <j416> I would guess /etc/cron.* would be the preferable way
[08:29] <jmarsden> Well, if you need something run every third Friday, or at exactly 41 minutes past the hour, use a crontab entry... but if the crontab.* dirs work for you, it's often easier to use one of them.
[08:29] <j416> ok! :)
[08:30] <j416> I have a backup script that is to run at a set time every day, I would guess I need to use crontab there then?
[08:31] <j416> basically "daily", but I want it to always run at night time (when there is least activity on the server)
[08:31] <jmarsden> Yes, unless that time is whatever is in /etc/crontab for the run-hourly script (17 minutes past midnight, I think).
[08:31] <j416> ok!
[08:31] <j416> thank you.
[08:31] <j416> :)
[08:31] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[08:48] <qman__> well, there is also cron.d, where you can specify exact times like a crontab
[08:52] <usrv> is ext4 less stable than ext3?
[08:55] <j416> qman__: ok! thank you
[08:56] <j416> qman__: (sorry for the late reply, I didn't notice your answer because you didn't mention my name :)
[08:57] <usrv> also, i'm setting up a guest in vmware server. Ideally, I would like to give the physical disk to the guest operating system but vmware server 2 doesn't support that (without a workaround) and the guest i'm making will have 1.5TB of disk space allocated to it. Would a vmdk that big cause me problems?
[08:58] <usrv> that ? might also be suitable for another room perhaps...
[09:01] <usrv> I'm open for room suggestions too by the way. :)
[09:06] <j416> usrv: check virtualbox, if I'm not mistaken you can give it a physical disk
[09:09] <usrv> j416. I think you're right. I'll look into it.
[09:09] <j416> usrv: I'm using vbox for my server (setting it up right now)
[09:09] <j416> just trying to figure out a good backup solution...
[09:10] <j416> (not the entire machine, but certain files)
[10:07] <Zelest> I have 3 sata disks in a raid5 (using mdadm) and a lvm on top of that.. i created a logical volume and mounted it as /mnt to do some performance tests.. and the results are somewhat confusing..
[10:07] <Zelest> http://pastebin.com/m43a1d8b5
[10:07] <Zelest> if I write a 500MB file that doesn't exists, I get 330MB/s .. if I write to the same file, if it exists, I only get 50MB/s ..
[10:08] <Zelest> same goes if I try to write a 5GB file instead of 500MB, then I only get 50MB/s as well.
[10:08] <Zelest> I'm very new to raids in general and I'm not quite sure what to expect really.. anyone with more knowledge that care to help out?
[10:33] <sabgenton> update-rc.d foo remove
[10:33] <sabgenton> will this allso remove /etc/init.d/foo
[10:33] <sabgenton> ?
[13:32] <vargadanis> hello everyone... I have a simple LAMP installed on ubuntu and for some reason after reboot apache won't start because it segfaults... the error message I get is this: an 17 14:25:21 ubuntupower kernel: [ 3041.660393] apache2[2934]: segfault at 4 ip b751e0c1 sp bf86eba0 error 4 in libphp5.so[b7200000+4eb000]
[13:33] <vargadanis> any tips what might cause it?
[13:34] <Zelest> no clue here, but my guess would be that something is dodgy with libphp5
[13:34] <Zelest> recently upgraded it?
[13:34] <gtrfdewsaq> http://www.pandamailer.de/?bettel=pimbolli
[13:40] <vargadanis> Zelest, I just installed a complete LAMP
[13:40] <vargadanis> Zelest, distro packages and I have run update, upgrade and evern dist-upgrade
[13:47] <Zelest> ah, no idea though.. :/ i'm fairly new to ubuntu myself so
[13:48] <vargadanis> ahh ok :)
[13:49] <vargadanis> I HAVE FOUND IT!!! maybe some folks should post the problem.. it's a bug in the zend-framework package!
[13:49] <vargadanis> in the /etc/php5/conf.d/zend-framework file there is an entry, include_path that points to /usr/share/php/libzend-framework directory
[13:50] <vargadanis> if you comment it out and then you modify the php.ini file to include that dir into the include path it works
[13:51] <vargadanis> first time i was able to solve a problem all by myself :) muhaha ...
[13:53] <Zelest> :D
[17:08] <Hawkey> hi ppl.. need to ask.. we cannot run ubuntu server with two raids... says something like this when booting Fatal protection error in(at ... some tips about it?
[17:14] <Hawkey> some tips? anything?
[17:31] <Hawkey> seems everyone is sleeping :-P
[17:45] <RoyK>  
[18:14] <tarski> anyone here set up NAT successfully in ubuntu ?
[20:16] <Powderking> Hi all! I installed Ubuntu server to a system with a AMD Geode processor. The german Ubuntu wiki says that a lot of problems occur because of a wrong kernel. It tells to install "linux-386" instead of "linux-generic". But I have no problems so far (installation complete, system running). I wonder if it is a good idea to change the kernel?
[20:17] <ZimCS> Hello.  I'd like to install a minimalist gui on ubuntu server 9.10.  I don't need firefox built in or all the apps that come with gnome.  I only need the x windows to run boxee
[20:29] <mm_202> Hey guys, I have a colo'ed server and want to get some stats/reports about it.  Is MRTG a good choice, or is there something better?
[20:36] <RoyK> mm_202: mrtg is quite old. Munin or perhaps RRDTool are better choices
[20:36] <RoyK> I still use mrtg for some stuff, though
[20:40] <soren> mm_202: I recommend munin.
[20:41] <mm_202> hmm, okay, let me check out munin.
[20:42] <mm_202> Thanks RoyK and soren.
[20:48] <Powderking> I did an apt-get upgrade. After restarting I get the message "mountall: fsck /boot [283] terminated with status 4" and has unexpected inconsistency. Could this be because of the generic kernel?
[20:49] <RoyK> hardly
[20:49] <RoyK> ops
[20:52] <Powderking> Ups, wrong terminal :-[ Can somebody help me with my generic vs. 386 kernel for AMD Geode?
[20:54] <RoyK> Powderking: no big deal
[20:54] <RoyK> Powderking: but the fsck problems are (hopefully) solved with booting into single user mode and running fsck on /boot
[20:55] <RoyK> perhaps mounting /boot read-only first if it's mounted rw
[20:56] <Powderking> RoyK: No big deal means that it makes no difference for me?
[20:56] <RoyK> the amd geode kernel will add tuning parameters for that cpu
[20:57] <RoyK> so it may help a little, performance-wise, but hardly more than 1%, probably less.
[20:57] <RoyK> it will not help you with the fsck problem
[20:58] <Powderking> RoyK: Mounting /boot read-only to do fsck only? I googled but couldn't find the correct syntax. Is fsck /boot correct or fsck /dev/sda1?
[20:58] <RoyK> if it's mounted rw, it's quite dangerous to run fsck on it
[20:58] <RoyK> mount -o remount,ro /dev/sda1 will remount it read-only
[20:59] <RoyK> then run fsck -f /dev/sda1
[20:59] <Powderking> RoyK: The amd geode kernel is the same as installing linux-386 package?
[20:59] <RoyK> see above
[21:04] <Powderking> Sorry I a newby especially with kernel. On the amd page (http://www.amd.com/us/products/embedded/develop-and-design/Pages/development-boards-lx.aspx) is written that it is x86. But in the above mentioned Ubuntu wiki page is written of the 386 kernel. That's why I'm confused. So I will change to 386 just to be sure :-) Thanks for your help!
[22:07] <tarski> i can install ruby1.9 and rubygems1.9.1 on ubuntu client but ubuntu server cant find the package