[21:38] <mccann> hey tedg around?
[21:41] <tedg> mccann: Yup.
[21:41] <tedg> mccann: How are you today?
[21:41] <mccann> not bad - weather sucks
[21:41] <mccann> you?
[21:41] <tedg> Weather is finally getting good again, so I'm thrilled :)
[21:41] <mccann> it probably isn't sleeting where you are
[21:42] <tedg> No, I really can't complain.  The worth thing I could complain about is a little windy :)
[21:42] <mccann> so I'm trying to catch up on all this notification spec stuff on xdg list etc
[21:42] <mccann> I've seen mentions of 0.10 version of the spec
[21:42] <mccann> do you have any idea where that is?
[21:42] <mccann> galago doesn't have it and chip doesn't really know
[21:43] <tedg> Ah, so libnotify like notification.  Or NotificationItem?
[21:43]  * tedg loves the naming.
[21:43] <mccann> um libnotify i guess
[21:43] <tedg> Hmm, I thought that spec went 1.0
[21:44] <mccann> for example http://patches.ubuntu.com/libn/libnotify/libnotify_0.4.5-1ubuntu1.patch
[21:44] <mccann> says 0.10
[21:44] <mccann> oh is there a 1.0?
[21:44] <mccann> galago only has 0.9
[21:44] <tedg> Yeah, hmm, and the notify-osd page links to Galago too.
[21:45]  * mccann is confused
[21:45] <tedg> Sorry, I thought there'd be a link on the notify-osd page.  mpt is usually really good about linking all that stuff.
[21:46] <mccann> well maybe he's having the same problems finding it that I am
[21:48] <tedg> I think everyone I could ping who would know is either European or off for MLK day :(
[21:48] <tedg> If I remember right, the only changes in 0.10 were cleanups for things like the mark up.
[21:49] <tedg> I believe there were some holes in the definition of that where it actually wouldn't work with Pango.
[21:49] <tedg> I think it also added a different icon data format that the KDE guys were interested in as the current one was basically a GdkPixbuf dump.
[21:51] <tedg> Err, it seems like this WAS the link: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/notifications-0.10/spec/
[21:52] <mccann> gone
[21:52] <mccann> darn
[21:53] <tedg> Here, this works: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/notifications-1.1/spec/
[21:53] <mccann> oh
[21:53] <mccann> !
[21:53]  * tedg had to find that with SSH :(
[21:53] <mccann> YAY
[21:53] <mccann> thanks
[21:54] <tedg> No problem.  Sorry it was so difficult.
[21:54] <mccann> google did not help at all
[21:54] <mccann> bad google
[21:54] <mccann> should have tried bing
[21:56] <tedg> Heh, it would have just taken you to MSDN as that's what you REALLY want :)
[22:19] <tedg> mccann: BTW, I think I know what you guys are thinking about doing with the notifications spec in shell with the notification bar.
[22:20] <tedg> And we looked at that a lot for the messaging menu.  I'm not sure it'll work.
[22:20] <tedg> Not because of anything spec related, but because of how people are using libnotify.
[22:20] <mccann> tedg: I'm trying to stay out of the specifics :) 
[22:20] <mccann> danw has been leading that
[22:21] <tedg> Heh, I understand.  But the apps issue is really huge.
[22:21] <mccann> which issue is that?
[22:21] <tedg> That's why we went ahead and did the libindicate work.
[22:21] <tedg> The fact that the apps drop the notifications.  They don't track them at all.
[22:22] <tedg> But then they expect events.  So you'll have to synthesize some of them.
[22:22] <tedg> I'm not saying it's impossible, but it'll be a PITA.
[22:22] <mccann> oh i'm certain of that part
[22:22] <mccann> :)
[22:23]  * tedg feels for danw
[22:23] <mccann> for now I'd settle for having one version of the spec
[22:23] <mccann> and one copy of libnotify
[22:23] <mccann> right now there are way too many different expectations
[22:24] <mccann> anyway I'm still trying to get caught up on what's going on
[22:24] <tedg> Yes, that is true.
[22:24] <tedg> Anyway.  I think there's only a couple of changes you guys would need in libindicate to make your interaction work.
[22:25] <tedg> I'd be happy to make those.
[22:25] <tedg> And someday, I'll try to document things and get it to XDG. :-/
[22:25]  * tedg needs more time in the day.
[22:26] <mccann> if you want to join #gnome-shell and talk to danw directly that'd be cool
[22:26] <mccann> i don't have too much to offer to the conversation yet
[22:27] <tedg> I'm about to go make dinner here in a few, so I can't talk for too long.
[22:28] <tedg> So, I'll try to do that tomorrow.
[22:28] <tedg> I'm guessing he's also off today?
[22:28] <mccann> i just mean anytime
[22:29] <mccann> we didn't get the day off today
[22:29] <mccann> but he usually heads out around now so yeah tomorrow would be fine
[22:29] <tedg> Really?  That's odd.  I thought MLK day was pretty universal.
[22:29] <tedg> Must be an East Coast thing.
[22:29]  * tedg has never lived on the East Coast.
[22:30] <mccann> some do some don't
[22:31] <mccann> hey what  type of bots do you guys use here?
[22:31] <mccann> i'm wondering if i should set one up on gimpnet
[22:31] <mccann> don't know much about them
[22:31] <tedg> I have no clue.  I know if I do something like bug 1 I think it picks that up.
[22:32] <ubot4> tedg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Not reporting large bug)
[22:32] <tedg> sf 23434
[22:32] <tedg> Heh, nope :)
[22:33] <tedg> I think there's a #ubuntu-irc channel, and they manage all the Ubuntu related channel.  They're the IRC jocks :)
[22:33] <mccann> ah ha
[22:33] <mccann> google wins this time
[22:33] <mccann> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[22:35] <tedg> Wow, crazy.  All kinds of commands.
[22:35] <tedg> Anyway, heading out.  Have a good evening!