[00:00] jb0694: kpackagekit if usually for online stuff, and only handels .deb since its a custom installer you have to do it manually [00:01] gotcha... one more question... what directory do you usually install programs to... i had installed this program before to my documents directory but that's not the standard... what's the standard path for apps to be installed? [00:02] jb0694: most programs are installed into /usr/bin most programs that come with custom installers are installed to the users directory (for a user install) or to /opt for a root install [00:04] jb0694: but you can put them anywhere you like it dosent really matter (al long as they arn't in silly locations like /tmp ) you can just put the path to the excutable in your path varible [00:04] so probably usr/bin then is standard... ok, i'll try that... thanks [00:05] jb0694: personally I would out it in /opt , it makes it easier to remove if you don't want it anymore [00:08] thnx... /opt it is [00:09] jb0694: you might want to then make a symlink in /usr/bin for whatever file starts the program [00:14] hmmmm... when i try to install to /opt it says directory is not writable... does that sound right? === mohammed is now known as Guest4705 [00:16] jb0694: you need to be root to install it there [00:17] Anyone familiar with ntfsprogs? [00:18] right... but how do i become root when using the programs install gui [00:18] kdesudo [00:18] !sudo [00:18] sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (Gnome, XFCE), or !kdesudo (KDE) [00:18] jb0694: kdesudo PROGRAM [00:19] jb0694: use kdesudo for graphical stuff and sudo for commandline programs [00:19] gotcha... so kdesudo installer_script [00:20] jb0694: you might want to check out freemat. I don't know anything about matlab or freemat, but freemat is in official repos [00:20] !info freemat [00:20] freemat (source: freemat): mathematics framework (mostly matlab compatible). In component universe, is optional. Version 3.6+dfsg-8build1 (karmic), package size 1323 kB, installed size 3388 kB [00:20] i wanna see mail offline (kmail). is there any way? [00:22] ok... one last dumb question... the installer is on my flash drive... how do i change directory in konsole to my flash drive? [00:23] jb0694: cd /PATH/TO/WHERE?YOU/WANT/TO?BE [00:23] jb0694: ? should be / :) but shoul should get the idea [00:24] jb0694: the flash drive is probably automounted in a dir in /media, so you would cd /media/USB_DISK or whatever folder is the mountpoint [00:24] is there a tool similar to the Passwords and Encryption Keys for kubuntu? [00:25] gotcha... that answers the question... thnx [00:25] i am trying to migrate from ubuntu and need to import my key and was looking for the kubuntu tool [00:26] chashall: kgpg for gpg keys/encrpyion kwallet for general passwords [00:27] James147, thank you kgpg should do it [00:30] when i try and run the install script from konsole it says missing file operand but when i click the file in dolphin it runs... any ideas? [00:30] i just type the name at the command prompt right? [00:32] jb0694: put ./ in front of the filename: ./install-script.sh [00:33] yep... that works... strange why that syntax works... how come just typing the filename deosn't work? [00:34] jb0694: just typeing the filename looks in the PATH varible for the program ./ looks in the current directory [00:34] because the script is not in a dir which is in your path [00:35] echo $PATH to see which directories are in PATH [00:37] ok... that makes sense [00:40] and how do you add directories to your path? === zbenjamin is now known as zbenjamin|away [00:48] jb0694: PATH=$PATH:/path/to/add && export PATH [00:49] jb0694: That will do it for your currennt session, to make it perminent add that line to ~/.bashrc [00:53] I'm trying to setup remote access in kubuntu karmic 10. I'd like something that allows me to connect to the KDM not just the individual user. I was trying to get x11vnc going, but it's not complying [00:54] a__: KRDC and Krfb worked when I tryed it,, they are installed by default on kubuntu [00:57] James147, krdc vcn://ip just gives me a server not found. [00:57] krfb on server says can't connect to X server.. even though I'm looking at the kdm logon screen [00:59] a__: have you set up a server on the remote mechiene (the one your trying to connect to) === a__ is now known as csgeek5 === csgeek5 is now known as csgeek2 [00:59] hola [01:00] (swiftfox-bin:4844): GLib-WARNING **: g_set_prgname() called multiple times [01:00] Illegal instruction [01:00] que tal funciona kubuntu? [01:00] swiftfox [01:00] i have right profile for network but i can't start it and the profile isn't appeared in context menu of knetworkmanagaer. anyboy help me? === csgeek2 is now known as csgeek [01:02] James147, well, that's what I'm trying to do.. [01:03] csgeek: Don't know of a server that gives you the login screen, but I think tightvnc creates a new xsession for each user [01:04] right.. but I don't need that.. I need something that lets me control :0 [01:04] :0 being what's displayed on the monitor [01:05] x11vnc used to that... but i'm not sure why it's being so stubborn [01:05] spanish? [01:05] csgeek: Not sure if it a can (only used it on a headless server) but it might be able to do that, been a while since I looked at it though so canrt remember much about it [01:07] vnc can't.. I know that much. [01:07] vncserver I mean... === valtaoq is now known as valtaoq_ === valtaoq_ is now known as valtaoq__ === valtaoq__ is now known as valtaoq_ === login_ is now known as meebo === valtaoq_ is now known as valtaoq [01:19] i have right profile for network but i can't start it and the profile isn't appeared in context menu of knetworkmanagaer. anyboy help me? [01:20] funcrush: What are you trying to do exatly? connect to a wireless connection? [01:31] !netsplit [01:31] netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit [01:40] why can't i get into debin? i'm going to give up on linux this sucks [01:40] i can't see how anyone can use linux [01:41] helloo [01:41] this fucking sucks [01:42] The_shark_001: What is debin? [01:43] Why is it on my 9.10 laptop, I can play amarok + youtube at the same time, but I cannot do this on my 9.10 desktop? [01:44] debian [01:44] The_shark_001: What do you mean you can't get into it? you can't login? [01:45] you know what i have no fucking idea [01:45] !language | The_shark_001 [01:45] The_shark_001: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [01:45] The_shark_001: What are you trying to do exatly? [01:45] Eat shit and die [01:46] I think he needed a hug [01:48] are there any good type-to-text applications for kubuntu? [01:48] err, speak to text, whatever === ilumi is now known as werfact [02:20] is there any way to configure the default resolution instead of having the res just affect my user? [02:21] seme: You can set it in xorg.conf, but you will have to read up on how to do it [02:24] seme - if you have your session to boot up the same programs as before, you can open KRandR Tray, set your resolution, and each time you boot up, KRandR Tray will too [02:24] seme - but if you want it to be system side, you need to set it in xorg. [02:31] hi, i upgraded to 9.10 and my nvidia driver is not being detected after doing an apt-get update. also, when i close the laptop lid, the screen stays black, can anyone help? [02:33] if you open the laptop up, or move the mouse, hit a key, etc, does anything happen? [02:33] hrm... [02:33] nope. [02:33] it did before i updated. [02:33] I was hoping that save it globally and not just when I log in.. [02:33] what is the program that is in the gnome ubuntu cd? [02:34] when I install the standard ubuntu release it has a admin/settings/preferences group on the menu that has a program to configure X [02:34] the strange thing is that the problems didnt start until i updated my programs, not my distro. [02:34] what laptop and what graphics card do you have [02:34] seme, what's your video card? [02:35] HP Pavillion DV6000, and Geforce Go 7200 [02:36] I'm running in vmware [02:38] Anthropod16: are you running kubuntu 9.10? [02:39] hrm....just realized this is kubuntu, not ubuntu :S [02:39] sorry === ben is now known as Guest8440 [02:39] lol, its all good. even still I wonder what happened. [02:40] did you do a kernel update, perhaps? [02:40] if you boot to an older kernel does it work then? [02:40] those are all things Id try [02:44] NOTICE - If you couldn't speak to the channel during the past minutes, please try again now. [02:45] No! [02:47] What is up with the bot? [02:50] happy: Freenode has been under attack for a few weeks so sometimes things get wonky [02:50] I thought it was finally over. [02:51] and all we needed to do was +R and we are fine... [02:55] daskreech: who attack freenode, and why lol, microsoft? [03:03] anyone know when linux mint (kde) is coming out? [03:13] anybody here have any success with compiling qgis (src or svn)? I keep getting a sip error and I'm looking for a workaround [03:17] brb [03:21] Riddle me this - I installed Kubuntu on 2 systems earlier. One allows me to play Amarok + YouTube at the same time. The other does not. Same CD to install both systems. Xine backend on both. wtf... [03:21] james147: are u there? [03:22] i have right profile for network but i can't start it and the profile isn't appeared in context menu of knetworkmanagaer. anyboy help me? [03:23] ?DCC SEND "???!ró????0,??°???¿?>?~z????Ëu"N??K?M®Êd?ç¨?¯z?º????=??ç???_c?B???Vd" 0 0 0 [03:23] NOTICE - The above was an exploit attempt that may have disconnected some users. Please ignore it, or type « /msg ubottu exploit » for more information. [03:26] so I take it everybody here can play amarok and youtube at the same time with no issues? [03:27] Roasted: if pulse is installed it should be at the top of the list on all the thingies in multimedia settings [03:27] thats all i got [03:27] maco - just did that. doesnt work. [03:28] youtube still muted [03:28] GAH this pisses me off [03:28] two systems, 1 install CD, 1 works 1 doesnt [03:28] seriously [03:28] Roasted: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [03:28] did you quit all audio-using apps after reorganizing pulse to the top? [03:28] the only app I had open was quassel [03:28] (including firefox) [03:28] which amkes noise when people say my name [03:28] so Ig uess I should close that too [03:28] yes [03:28] brb [03:30] maco - nadda. [03:30] maco - in fact, firefox with NOTHING running and I still have no audio from youtube [03:30] even with nothing else running [03:31] vlc isnt working either [03:31] nor is audacity [03:34] I opened exaile and it said I dont have the proper decoder to handle this file [03:34] perhaps Im missing something [03:35] Roasted: remove pulse audio and install alsa and alsa-oss [03:35] I really, really dont want to do that. [03:35] because I have itw orking on my laptop perfectly [03:35] theres no reason I should have half assed results from pc to pc like this [03:35] Roasted: well, thats what you have to do if you want it to wirk [03:35] You're telling me the "fix" to getl inux audio working is to remove a feature they added? [03:35] work, pulseaudio [03:36] I know pulseaudio sucks, but really? [03:36] I didnt have to do that on my other computer - why do I have to do it here? [03:36] kubuntu does not include pulseaudio [03:36] i think it does [03:36] i know it doesn't [03:36] maco - pulse audio is listed in the backend [03:36] maco - well, its listed here... [03:36] the kubuntu-desktop seed does not include pulseaudio [03:36] see [03:36] in amarok... in the backend... [03:37] something else you installed pulled it in [03:37] pulseaudio is not installed by default in kubuntu [03:37] possibly java [03:37] well, probably. I added restricted extras. [03:37] but guess what - I got restricted extras on the other pc too [03:37] and it works fine [03:37] *sigh* [03:38] why is exaile saying I dont have a decoder [03:38] I have medibuntu installed [03:41] no ideas? [03:42] which codec [03:42] I have no idea [03:43] it just says you dont have the proper codec [03:43] playing an mp3 in exaile [03:43] probably its not installed [03:44] Roasted: just one soundcard? [03:44] yes [03:44] in fact my laptop is doing it too [03:44] weird... [03:47] perhaps thats why VLC isnt working either? [03:48] ahh yes, rhythmbox isnt working either. [03:48] I thought medibuntu was all you needed?? [03:54] hi guys, having an issue when i copy a bunch of folders from a mounted sd card it will copy the folder structure but not the contents of the folders [03:54] are you copying via terminal./ [03:54] ? [03:54] Roasted: no guy [03:55] gui [03:55] thats weird [03:55] maybe it has something to do with a file system? [03:55] are you sure the files aren't there? try refresh file browser [03:55] ok i think its working now [03:55] it just took a while to start [03:55] pretty weird [03:56] so, guys, medibuntu. Is that all I need? Or what? [04:00] VLC works on the other computer... yet not mine... [04:00] Roasted: see what if any codecs are installed by default [04:00] how do I do that [04:01] google [04:01] Ive been on google [04:01] all I can find are "hey medibuntu this is how you do it" [04:02] hi all [04:02] what's vlc audio output set to use? [04:03] Roasted: i think you need to install w32codecs [04:03] Im on 64 bit. w64codecs? [04:04] no [04:04] couldnt find w32codecs.... [04:05] what would w32codecs even do? I can get audio on my laptop on youtube - something I cant do on my desktop. [04:05] yet netiher have w32codecs [04:06] its called w64codecs on 64bity [04:06] and it just lets you play things like .wmv and .wma [04:06] so that wouldnt be the answer to my problem with mp3 on exaile/vlc? [04:06] and maybe .ra [04:06] so try w64codecs [04:07] non-free-codecs (medibuntu) is what I find when I search for w64codecs [04:07] got w64 [04:07] nadda [04:08] sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras [04:08] he has that [04:08] I have it [04:08] well mp3s should play then [04:08] do you need a reboot or something? [04:08] mp3s play in amarok -b ut thats it [04:09] they dont play on vlc, exaile, rhythmbox, or anything else. and I have no sound in youtube. [04:09] kubuntu-restricted-extras ? there must be some slight difference between them [04:09] thats because you using pulse [04:09] Roasted: possibly a reboot after the pulseaudio change is necessary so pulse gets restarted [04:09] iconmefisto: if there is, why do I have things working on my laptop (kubuntu 9.10, pulseaudio) and they dotn work on my desktop? [04:09] let me reboot... [04:09] brb... [04:10] werfact: yeah, a bad pulse config can be crappy, but pulse isnt always crappy. i have pulseaudio and kde working fine together [04:10] the trick is to let pulse be the first device so nothing else locks the sound card [04:10] ive seen bunch of people here lately with the smae problem, aka pulse problems [04:11] because kubuntu doesnt ship it it ends up at the bottom of the stack [04:11] same [04:11] then one application grabs hardware [04:11] and another goes for pule [04:11] *puls [04:11] *pulse [04:11] maco: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [04:11] and then the first app and pulse fight for control [04:11] what does ubuntu have? [04:11] whereas if you set pulse to be the default device, everything should route through it and there should be no fight [04:11] ubuntu has pulse as the default device [04:12] yeah. thats the problem [04:12] what's the problem? [04:12] pulse [04:12] fresh boot. youtube.com. chris cornell live concert video. no audio. [04:12] I hate pulse [04:12] how's pulse the problem? [04:12] why did *buntu ever integrate such a piece of trash into it [04:12] I find it impossible to blame pulse when I have another system here working fine WITH pulse. [04:12] it doesnt work right [04:12] if in ubuntu, having pulse as the default works fine... i dont think pulse itself is the problem [04:12] I agree, it sucks, but I find it hard to believe that. [04:13] Roasted: firefox or konqueror? [04:13] firefox [04:13] konqueror needs extra flash wrapper stuff [04:13] hrm ok [04:14] any other ideas? :( [04:15] Does Ubuntu have a "Task Manager" like in Windows? [04:15] jake_: I guess you could check system monitor. [04:15] http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/fix-most-audio-problems-remove.html [04:16] Roasted: you dont have like a .asoundrc or anything getting in the way do you? [04:16] alright [04:16] fine [04:16] Ill take this pulse bullshit otu of here [04:16] Roasted: possibly also deleting your .pulse and .pulse_cookie or whatever its called could help [04:16] please don't swear [04:16] its 11. the kids are in bed. [04:17] um........ [04:17] Package pulseaudio is not installed, so not removed [04:17] someone, quick, stab me [04:17] 3 in the afternoon here, and school holidays [04:17] Roasted: if it shows up in amarok, it's got to be installed [04:17] yay timezones! [04:17] @now jakarta [04:17] Current time in Asia/Jakarta: January 18 2010, 11:17:55 [04:17] werfact: no it doesnt [04:18] ah, thanks Roasted, now I can closes that dang windows program under wine that sucking the cpu. [04:18] so [04:18] if I dont have pulseaudio installed [04:18] werfact: just because amarok has a plugin to support it doesnt mean pulseaudio itself is there [04:18] yeah becaue amarok detects it [04:18] ......wheres the issue at? [04:18] werfact: also, amarok, flash, and skype all work simultaneously on my kde 4.3 system with pulseaudio, so... yes, pulse can work just dandy [04:18] Roasted: what happens if you install it? [04:19] yeah, but just because it works for you doesnt mean it always works like it should [04:19] does opensuse use pulseaudio? [04:19] yes, sometimes broken drivers make pulse appear more broken than it is [04:19] Roasted: yes [04:19] so does fedora [04:19] did they screw up while integrating pulse audio? [04:19] I don't think the problem is pulseaudio itself. it's installing it that can be problematic [04:19] Also how do you edit the Grub boot menu so Windows will auto start instead of Ubuntu? [04:19] Roasted: since they probably actually integrated unlike kubuntu, probably not [04:20] kubuntu *did not integrate pulseaudio PERIOD* [04:20] because kubuntu does not ship it [04:20] and kubuntu devs cross their fingers and hope no users will ever install it [04:20] I installed pulse audio, flash audio works now, but not amarok doesnt [04:20] well, the bottom line is, I need my OS to work [04:20] I dont mean to sound like this but I had this thing installed for 2 hrs and I cant get my sound to work right [04:20] close firefox and amarok [04:20] then start them both back up [04:21] now that pulse is runnign [04:21] if one was running before pulse, it got the exclusive hardware lock [04:21] (er, all audio-using software really) [04:21] now flash freezes [04:21] heck, do this: kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/seq* /dev/snd/*) [04:21] with no audio [04:21] wheres my opensuse cd.. [04:21] that kills all audio apps (and yeah yeah crim sun will say thats the old way to kill them but i dont know the new way) [04:22] just copy that entire command? [04:22] ( ) and all? [04:22] yes [04:22] Roasted: lol, going back to microsoft? [04:22] werfact: opensuse is novell, silly :P [04:22] werfact - thats just me being smart. If I'd switch, I'd go to mandriva. [04:22] although opensuse was no doubt solid [04:23] k - ran that command. now what. reopen amarok/firefox? [04:23] so i'd do that kill command, then "pulseaudio -D" to make sure pulseaudio starts back up [04:23] then start your audio apps [04:23] werfact: for the record, red hat made similar deals with MS as well. But it was kept so well under the radar. Imagine that... the two top dog linux enterprise companies made a deal with MS... a very similar deal at that. [04:24] no audio in amarok [04:24] Roasted: yeah, thats why ill never use any of their software [04:24] sigh.. [04:24] werfact: they did it for benefiting the linux community, though. [04:24] if you want to believe that , thats fine [04:24] their deals were in regard to virtualizing linux and windows networks seamlessly [04:25] theres nothing to believe. thats what happened. [04:25] novell was jsut sloppy about it [04:25] Roasted: whats the output of: for i in $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/seq* /dev/snd/*) ; do ps -ef | grep $i ; done [04:25] lol, maco, wheres the command start? [04:25] Roasted: after the "of:" [04:26] it just sits at > [04:26] Roasted: since when microsoft does anything to benefit linux? [04:26] Roasted: you get everything up to the "done"? [04:27] werfact: It's not about microsoft benefitting linux itself. it's about users with microsoft networks not being afraid to integrate linux to their networks because microsoft and linux are working TOGETHER to develop seamless transitions so the platforms can co-exist without headaches. [04:27] THATS the deal. [04:27] period, done, over. that's the deal. [04:27] because of it, and because of things being able to integrate more easily with mixed platform networks, it indirectly creates more exposure for thel inux community since IT admins will be more likely to consider linux in their network. [04:28] maco was I to include "done" with it? [04:28] ahh looks like it [04:28] I ran it with done. what am I looking for now? [04:29] maybe I should just install alsa and call it a night [04:31] Roasted: um alsa's already installed. alsa is your driver. [04:31] it's part of the kernel [04:31] well, alsa also has some libraries, but they are, of course, installed as well [04:31] and i wanted to see the output. it tells which apps are talkng directly to hardware [04:31] let me pastebin it [04:31] http://pastebin.com/m186f6349 [04:33] Roasted: so thats why novell is paying microsoft tax? [04:34] novell pays MS tax, and MS sells SLED [04:34] MS is selling Linux [04:34] Novell has made over double what they originally projected to make, and theyre only 4 years into the 5 year agreement [04:35] Roasted: sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* [04:35] The only reason Novell got a target on its rear end was because Novell is exclusively non-sue-able by Microsoft now. Linux is about equality, fairness, etc. The rest of the Linux community was totally against the fact that Novell made an agreement that made them exclusive (aka different) from the rest of linux - red hat, ubuntu, mandriva, etc [04:35] Red Hat refused to let that happen. Yet Red Hat made the same agreement as Novell did - just without the non sue BS [04:36] crimsun: whats that command do? [04:36] Roasted: but you said red hat did it too, so it wasnt exclusive [04:36] Roasted: it gives me the info necessary to see which file descriptors in /dev/snd are being used by what apps. [04:36] werfact: No, there's two different things I was referring to. [04:36] werfact: Red Hat and Novell made the same deal, but on different terms. [04:37] werfact: Red Hat is not non-sueable-exclusive. Novell is. Red Hat is still as equally viewed as Ubuntu is, Mandriva, etc. Novell has exclusive rights to not be sued by MS. [04:37] werfact: However, to IT admins, that might be appealing knowing you can add Novell Linux products to your network and know theres no chance of them clashing whatsoever. [04:37] werfact: pros and cons to each situation I suppose. [04:38] werfact: people really dog Novell a lot more than they deserve. Its still linux. Its still open source. And Novell has still done a ton of tremendous work for the open soruce community. Sure maybe they had a one night stand with MS but it may indirectly be beneficial to the linux community after all. Only time will tell. [04:38] crimsun - are you running kubuntu? [04:38] Roasted: yes on certain machines. [04:39] hey ppl! [04:39] crimsun: are you running pulse audio ona ny of those kubuntu boxes? [04:39] Roasted: yes [04:39] crimsun: do you find pulse audio sucks on those machines? [04:40] Roasted: my experience as one of the primary audio stack maintainers in Ubuntu is highly irrelevant. [04:40] crimsun: I'm just trying to understand if its worth fighting with pulse in kubuntu. [04:40] crimsun: I just cant figure out why Im having such a headache with kubuntu with sound. [04:40] Roasted: I'm far more interested in resolving issues not debating whether "something vague-like is broken" FSVO broken. [04:41] crimsun: Well, perhaps you could help me with my issue? [04:41] this is very off topic, but does anyone know how to install leopard on a ppc mac without the DVD or cd drive? life from usb external or something [04:41] Roasted: I'm awaiting your data to my most recent set of commands [04:41] like* [04:42] one second [04:42] http://pastebin.com/m28423049 [04:42] Roasted: in KDE System Settings > Multimedia, according to the profiles, is PulseAudio set primary/top-most? [04:43] crimsun: No. It is not. Should I change it? [04:43] Roasted: yes, otherwise you will encounter precisely the symptoms currently [04:43] crimsun: riddle me this [04:43] crimsun: why is it my laptop, also installed with kubuntu 9.10 64 bit today, has pulse audio on the bottom, yet has no issues like I have on my desktop? [04:44] Roasted: I presume your actual audio hardware differs. [04:44] Bad sound card? [04:44] crimsun: well, yeah. I guess audio hardware could alter the way pulseaudio interacts with the system itself. eh? [04:44] Roasted: PulseAudio is one component in the audio stack. It relies on good drivers and good hardware. [04:45] crimsun: ironically, it relies on good hardware - the lesser of the two systems, a laptop, works fine, whereas my desktop with a dedicated sound card doesnt. :( [04:45] crimsun: anyway, should I reboot this desktop now? [04:45] crimsun: now that I have pulseaudioa t the top [04:45] maco: / Roasted: after making the Phonon change, you need to logout and login [04:45] I'll be back in a minute [04:46] also, there's the bit about flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound if using Adobe Flash with Konqueror [04:46] maco: ^^ [04:46] * crimsun is offline [04:47] crimsun - no sound on youtube [04:47]