[00:00] <James147> jb0694: kpackagekit if usually for online stuff, and only handels .deb since its a custom installer you have to do it manually
[00:01] <jb0694> gotcha... one more question... what directory do you usually install programs to... i had installed this program before to my documents directory but that's not the standard... what's the standard path for apps to be installed?
[00:02] <James147> jb0694: most programs are installed into /usr/bin  most programs that come with custom installers are installed to the users directory (for a user install) or to /opt for a root install
[00:04] <James147> jb0694: but you can put them anywhere you like it dosent really matter (al long as they arn't in silly locations like /tmp ) you can just put the path to the excutable in your path varible
[00:04] <jb0694> so probably usr/bin then is standard... ok, i'll try that... thanks
[00:05] <James147> jb0694: personally I would out it in /opt , it makes it easier to remove if you don't want it anymore
[00:08] <jb0694> thnx... /opt it is
[00:09] <iconmefisto> jb0694: you might want to then make a symlink in /usr/bin for whatever file starts the program
[00:14] <jb0694> hmmmm... when i try to install to /opt it says directory is not writable... does that sound right?
[00:16] <James147> jb0694: you need to be root to install it there
[00:17] <Daugha|n> Anyone familiar with ntfsprogs?
[00:18] <jb0694> right... but how do i become root when using the programs install gui
[00:18] <iconmefisto> kdesudo
[00:18] <iconmefisto> !sudo
[00:18] <James147> jb0694: kdesudo PROGRAM
[00:19] <James147> jb0694: use kdesudo for graphical stuff and sudo for commandline programs
[00:19] <jb0694> gotcha... so kdesudo installer_script
[00:20] <iconmefisto> jb0694: you might want to check out freemat. I don't know anything about matlab or freemat, but freemat is in official repos
[00:20] <iconmefisto> !info freemat
[00:20] <erghezi> i wanna see mail offline  (kmail). is there any way?
[00:22] <jb0694> ok... one last dumb question... the installer is on my flash drive... how do i change directory in konsole to my flash drive?
[00:23] <James147> jb0694: cd /PATH/TO/WHERE?YOU/WANT/TO?BE
[00:23] <James147> jb0694: ? should be / :) but shoul should get the idea
[00:24] <iconmefisto> jb0694: the flash drive is probably automounted in a dir in /media, so you would cd /media/USB_DISK or whatever folder is the mountpoint
[00:24] <chashall> is there a tool similar to the Passwords and Encryption Keys for kubuntu?
[00:25] <jb0694> gotcha... that answers the question... thnx
[00:25] <chashall> i am trying to migrate from ubuntu and need to import my key and was looking for the kubuntu tool
[00:26] <James147> chashall: kgpg for gpg keys/encrpyion kwallet for general passwords
[00:27] <chashall> James147, thank you kgpg should do it
[00:30] <jb0694> when i try and run the install script from konsole it says missing file operand but when i click the file in dolphin it runs... any ideas?
[00:30] <jb0694> i just type the name at the command prompt right?
[00:32] <iconmefisto> jb0694: put ./ in front of the filename: ./install-script.sh
[00:33] <jb0694> yep... that works... strange why that syntax works... how come just typing the filename deosn't work?
[00:34] <James147> jb0694: just typeing the filename looks in the PATH varible for the program ./ looks in the current directory
[00:34] <iconmefisto> because the script is not in a dir which is in your path
[00:35] <iconmefisto> echo $PATH   to see which directories are in PATH
[00:37] <jb0694> ok... that makes sense
[00:40] <jb0694> and how do you add directories to your path?
[00:48] <James147> jb0694: PATH=$PATH:/path/to/add  && export PATH
[00:49] <James147> jb0694: That will do it for your currennt session, to make it perminent add that line to ~/.bashrc
[00:53] <a__> I'm trying to setup remote access in kubuntu karmic 10.  I'd like something that allows me to connect to the KDM not just the individual user.  I was trying to get x11vnc going, but it's not complying
[00:54] <James147> a__: KRDC and Krfb worked when I tryed it,, they are installed by default on kubuntu
[00:57] <a__> James147, krdc vcn://ip just gives me a server not found.
[00:57] <a__> krfb on server says can't connect to X server.. even though I'm looking at the kdm logon screen
[00:59] <James147> a__: have you set up a server on the remote mechiene (the one your trying to connect to)
[00:59] <valtaoq> hola
[01:00] <ghw> (swiftfox-bin:4844): GLib-WARNING **: g_set_prgname() called multiple times
[01:00] <ghw> Illegal instruction
[01:00] <valtaoq> que tal funciona kubuntu?
[01:00] <ghw> swiftfox
[01:00] <funcrush> i have right profile for network but i can't start it and the profile isn't appeared in context menu of knetworkmanagaer. anyboy help me?
[01:02] <csgeek> James147, well, that's what I'm trying to do..
[01:03] <James147> csgeek: Don't know of a server that gives you the login screen, but I think tightvnc creates a new xsession for each user
[01:04] <csgeek> right.. but I don't need that.. I need something that lets me control :0
[01:04] <csgeek> :0 being what's displayed on the monitor
[01:05] <csgeek> x11vnc used to that... but i'm not sure why it's being so stubborn
[01:05] <valtaoq> spanish?
[01:05] <James147> csgeek: Not sure if it a can (only used it on a headless server) but it might be able to do that, been a while since I looked at it though so canrt remember much about it
[01:07] <csgeek> vnc can't.. I know that much.
[01:07] <csgeek> vncserver I mean...
[01:19] <funcrush> i have right profile for network but i can't start it and the profile isn't appeared in context menu of knetworkmanagaer. anyboy help me?
[01:20] <James147> funcrush: What are you trying to do exatly? connect to a wireless connection?
[01:31] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[01:40] <The_shark_001> why can't i get into debin?  i'm going to give up on linux this sucks
[01:40] <The_shark_001> i can't see how anyone can use linux
[01:41] <The_shark_001> helloo
[01:41] <The_shark_001> this fucking sucks
[01:42] <James147> The_shark_001: What is debin?
[01:43] <jason_> Why is it on my 9.10 laptop, I can play amarok + youtube at the same time, but I cannot do this on my 9.10 desktop?
[01:44] <The_shark_001> debian
[01:44] <James147> The_shark_001: What do you mean you can't get into it? you can't login?
[01:45] <The_shark_001> you know what i have no fucking idea
[01:45] <tsimpson> !language | The_shark_001
[01:45] <James147> The_shark_001: What are you trying to do exatly?
[01:45] <The_shark_001> Eat shit and die
[01:46] <jason_> I think he needed a hug
[01:48] <jason_> are there any good type-to-text applications for kubuntu?
[01:48] <jason_> err, speak to text, whatever
[02:20] <seme> is there any way to configure the default resolution instead of having the res just affect my user?
[02:21] <James147> seme: You can set it in xorg.conf, but you will have to read up on how to do it
[02:24] <Roasted> seme - if you have your session to boot up the same programs as before, you can open KRandR Tray, set your resolution, and each time you boot up, KRandR Tray will too
[02:24] <Roasted> seme - but if you want it to be system side, you need to set it in xorg.
[02:31] <Anthropod16> hi, i upgraded to 9.10 and my nvidia driver is not being detected after doing an apt-get update. also, when i close the laptop lid, the screen stays black, can anyone help?
[02:33] <Roasted> if you open the laptop up, or move the mouse, hit a key, etc, does anything happen?
[02:33] <seme> hrm...
[02:33] <Anthropod16> nope.
[02:33] <Anthropod16> it did before i updated.
[02:33] <seme> I was hoping that save it globally and not just when I log in..
[02:33] <seme> what is the program that is in the gnome ubuntu cd?
[02:34] <seme> when I install the standard ubuntu release it has a admin/settings/preferences group on the menu that has a program to configure X
[02:34] <Anthropod16> the strange thing is that the problems didnt start until i updated my programs, not my distro.
[02:34] <Roasted> what laptop and what graphics card do you have
[02:34] <petsounds> seme, what's your video card?
[02:35] <Anthropod16> HP Pavillion DV6000, and Geforce Go 7200
[02:36] <seme> I'm running in vmware
[02:38] <Roasted> Anthropod16: are you running kubuntu 9.10?
[02:39] <Anthropod16> hrm....just realized this is kubuntu, not ubuntu :S
[02:39] <Anthropod16> sorry
[02:39] <Roasted> lol, its all good. even still I wonder what happened.
[02:40] <Roasted> did you do a kernel update, perhaps?
[02:40] <Roasted> if you boot to an older kernel does it work then?
[02:40] <Roasted> those are all things Id try
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[02:47] <happy> What is up with the bot?
[02:50] <daskreech> happy: Freenode has been under attack for a few weeks so sometimes things get wonky
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[02:51] <happy> and all we needed to do was +R and we are fine...
[02:55] <werfact> daskreech: who attack freenode, and why lol,  microsoft?
[03:03] <gwillakers> anyone know when linux mint (kde) is coming out?
[03:13] <Empty_foo> anybody here have any success with compiling qgis (src or svn)? I keep getting a sip error and I'm looking for a workaround
[03:17] <seme> brb
[03:21] <Roasted> Riddle me this - I installed Kubuntu on 2 systems earlier. One allows me to play Amarok + YouTube at the same time. The other does not. Same CD to install both systems. Xine backend on both. wtf...
[03:21] <funcrush> james147: are u there?
[03:22] <funcrush> i have right profile for network but i can't start it and the profile isn't appeared in context menu of knetworkmanagaer. anyboy help me?
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[03:26] <Roasted> so I take it everybody here can play amarok and youtube at the same time with no issues?
[03:27] <maco> Roasted: if pulse is installed it should be at the top of the list on all the thingies in multimedia settings
[03:27] <maco> thats all i got
[03:27] <Roasted> maco - just did that. doesnt work.
[03:28] <Roasted> youtube still muted
[03:28] <Roasted> GAH this pisses me off
[03:28] <Roasted> two systems, 1 install CD, 1 works 1 doesnt
[03:28] <Roasted> seriously
[03:28] <FloodBotK3> Roasted: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:28] <maco> did you quit all audio-using apps after reorganizing pulse to the top?
[03:28] <Roasted> the only app I had open was quassel
[03:28] <maco> (including firefox)
[03:28] <Roasted> which amkes noise when people say my name
[03:28] <Roasted> so Ig uess I should close that too
[03:28] <maco> yes
[03:28] <Roasted> brb
[03:30] <Roasted> maco - nadda.
[03:30] <Roasted> maco - in fact, firefox with NOTHING running and I still have no audio from youtube
[03:30] <Roasted> even with nothing else running
[03:31] <Roasted> vlc isnt working either
[03:31] <Roasted> nor is audacity
[03:34] <Roasted> I opened exaile and it said I dont have the proper decoder to handle this file
[03:34] <Roasted> perhaps Im missing something
[03:35] <werfact> Roasted: remove pulse audio and install alsa and alsa-oss
[03:35] <Roasted> I really, really dont want to do that.
[03:35] <Roasted> because I have itw orking on my laptop perfectly
[03:35] <Roasted> theres no reason I should have half assed results from pc to pc like this
[03:35] <werfact> Roasted: well, thats what you have to do if you want it to wirk
[03:35] <Roasted> You're telling me the "fix" to getl inux audio working is to remove a feature they added?
[03:35] <werfact> work, pulseaudio
[03:36] <Roasted> I know pulseaudio sucks, but really?
[03:36] <Roasted> I didnt have to do that on my other computer - why do I have to do it here?
[03:36] <maco> kubuntu does not include pulseaudio
[03:36] <werfact> i think it does
[03:36] <maco> i know it doesn't
[03:36] <Roasted> maco - pulse audio is listed in the backend
[03:36] <Roasted> maco - well, its listed here...
[03:36] <maco> the kubuntu-desktop seed does not include pulseaudio
[03:36] <werfact> see
[03:36] <Roasted> in amarok... in the backend...
[03:37] <maco> something else you installed pulled it in
[03:37] <iconmefisto> pulseaudio is not installed by default in kubuntu
[03:37] <maco> possibly java
[03:37] <Roasted> well, probably. I added restricted extras.
[03:37] <Roasted> but guess what - I got restricted extras on the other pc too
[03:37] <Roasted> and it works fine
[03:37] <Roasted> *sigh*
[03:38] <Roasted> why is exaile saying I dont have a decoder
[03:38] <Roasted> I have medibuntu installed
[03:41] <Roasted> no ideas?
[03:42] <werfact> which codec
[03:42] <Roasted> I have no idea
[03:43] <Roasted> it just says you dont have the proper codec
[03:43] <Roasted> playing an mp3 in exaile
[03:43] <werfact> probably its not installed
[03:44] <iconmefisto> Roasted: just one soundcard?
[03:44] <Roasted> yes
[03:44] <Roasted> in fact my laptop is doing it too
[03:44] <Roasted> weird...
[03:47] <Roasted> perhaps thats why VLC isnt working either?
[03:48] <Roasted> ahh yes, rhythmbox isnt working either.
[03:48] <Roasted> I thought medibuntu was all you needed??
[03:54] <Zhenya> hi guys, having an issue when i copy a bunch of folders from a mounted sd card it will copy the folder structure but not the contents of the folders
[03:54] <Roasted> are you copying via terminal./
[03:54] <Roasted> ?
[03:54] <Zhenya> Roasted: no guy
[03:55] <Zhenya> gui
[03:55] <werfact> thats weird
[03:55] <werfact> maybe it has something to do with a file system?
[03:55] <iconmefisto> are you sure the files aren't there? try refresh file browser
[03:55] <Zhenya> ok i  think its working now
[03:55] <Zhenya> it just took a while to start
[03:55] <Zhenya> pretty weird
[03:56] <Roasted> so, guys, medibuntu. Is that all I need? Or what?
[04:00] <Roasted> VLC works on the other computer... yet not mine...
[04:00] <werfact> Roasted: see what if any codecs are installed by default
[04:00] <Roasted> how do I do that
[04:01] <werfact> google
[04:01] <Roasted> Ive been on google
[04:01] <Roasted> all I can find are "hey medibuntu this is how you do it"
[04:02] <demo_> hi all
[04:02] <iconmefisto> what's vlc audio output set to use?
[04:03] <werfact> Roasted: i think you need to install w32codecs
[04:03] <Roasted> Im on 64 bit. w64codecs?
[04:04] <werfact> no
[04:04] <Roasted> couldnt find w32codecs....
[04:05] <Roasted> what would w32codecs even do? I can get audio on my laptop on youtube - something I cant do on my desktop.
[04:05] <Roasted> yet netiher have w32codecs
[04:06] <maco> its called w64codecs on 64bity
[04:06] <maco> and it just lets you play things like .wmv and .wma
[04:06] <Roasted> so that wouldnt be the answer to my problem with mp3 on exaile/vlc?
[04:06] <maco> and maybe .ra
[04:06] <werfact> so try w64codecs
[04:07] <iconmefisto> non-free-codecs (medibuntu) is what I find when I search for w64codecs
[04:07] <Roasted> got w64
[04:07] <Roasted> nadda
[04:08] <werfact> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:08] <maco> he has that
[04:08] <Roasted> I have it
[04:08] <werfact> well mp3s should play then
[04:08] <Roasted> do you need a reboot or something?
[04:08] <Roasted> mp3s play in amarok -b ut thats it
[04:09] <Roasted> they dont play on vlc, exaile, rhythmbox, or anything else. and I have no sound in youtube.
[04:09] <iconmefisto> kubuntu-restricted-extras ? there must be some slight difference between them
[04:09] <werfact> thats because you using pulse
[04:09] <maco> Roasted: possibly a reboot after the pulseaudio change is necessary so pulse gets restarted
[04:09] <Roasted> iconmefisto: if there is, why do I have things working on my laptop (kubuntu 9.10, pulseaudio) and they dotn work on my desktop?
[04:09] <Roasted> let me reboot...
[04:09] <Roasted> brb...
[04:10] <maco> werfact: yeah, a bad pulse config can be crappy, but pulse isnt always crappy. i have pulseaudio and kde working fine together
[04:10] <maco> the trick is to let pulse be the first device so nothing else locks the sound card
[04:10] <werfact> ive seen bunch of people here lately with the smae problem, aka pulse problems
[04:11] <maco> because kubuntu doesnt ship it it ends up at the bottom of the stack
[04:11] <werfact> same
[04:11] <maco> then one application grabs hardware
[04:11] <maco> and another goes for pule
[04:11] <maco> *puls
[04:11] <maco> *pulse
[04:11] <FloodBotK3> maco: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:11] <maco> and then the first app and pulse fight for control
[04:11] <werfact> what does ubuntu have?
[04:11] <maco> whereas if you set pulse to be the default device, everything should route through it and there should be no fight
[04:11] <maco> ubuntu has pulse as the default device
[04:12] <werfact> yeah. thats the problem
[04:12] <maco> what's the problem?
[04:12] <werfact> pulse
[04:12] <Roasted> fresh boot. youtube.com. chris cornell live concert video. no audio.
[04:12] <Roasted> I hate pulse
[04:12] <maco> how's pulse the problem?
[04:12] <Roasted> why did *buntu ever integrate such a piece of trash into it
[04:12] <Roasted> I find it impossible to blame pulse when I have another system here working fine WITH pulse.
[04:12] <werfact> it doesnt work right
[04:12] <maco> if in ubuntu, having pulse as the default works fine... i dont think pulse itself is the problem
[04:12] <Roasted> I agree, it sucks, but I find it hard to believe that.
[04:13] <maco> Roasted: firefox or konqueror?
[04:13] <Roasted> firefox
[04:13] <maco> konqueror needs extra flash wrapper stuff
[04:13] <maco> hrm ok
[04:14] <Roasted> any other ideas? :(
[04:15] <jake_> Does Ubuntu have a "Task Manager" like in Windows?
[04:15] <Roasted> jake_: I guess you could check system monitor.
[04:15] <werfact> http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/fix-most-audio-problems-remove.html
[04:16] <maco> Roasted: you dont have like a .asoundrc or anything getting in the way do you?
[04:16] <Roasted> alright
[04:16] <Roasted> fine
[04:16] <Roasted> Ill take this pulse bullshit otu of here
[04:16] <maco> Roasted: possibly also deleting your .pulse and .pulse_cookie or whatever its called could help
[04:16] <maco> please don't swear
[04:16] <Roasted> its 11. the kids are in bed.
[04:17] <Roasted> um........
[04:17] <Roasted> Package pulseaudio is not installed, so not removed
[04:17] <Roasted> someone, quick, stab me
[04:17] <iconmefisto> 3 in the afternoon here, and school holidays
[04:17] <werfact> Roasted: if it shows up in amarok, it's got to be installed
[04:17] <maco> yay timezones!
[04:17] <petsounds> @now jakarta
[04:17] <maco> werfact: no it doesnt
[04:18] <jake_> ah, thanks Roasted, now I can closes that dang windows program under wine that sucking the cpu.
[04:18] <Roasted> so
[04:18] <Roasted> if I dont have pulseaudio installed
[04:18] <maco> werfact: just because amarok has a plugin to support it doesnt mean pulseaudio itself is there
[04:18] <werfact> yeah becaue amarok detects it
[04:18] <Roasted> ......wheres the issue at?
[04:18] <maco> werfact: also, amarok, flash, and skype all work simultaneously on my kde 4.3 system with pulseaudio, so... yes, pulse can work just dandy
[04:18] <maco> Roasted: what happens if you install it?
[04:19] <werfact> yeah, but just because it works for you doesnt mean it always works like it should
[04:19] <Roasted> does opensuse use pulseaudio?
[04:19] <maco> yes, sometimes broken drivers make pulse appear more broken than it is
[04:19] <maco> Roasted: yes
[04:19] <maco> so does fedora
[04:19] <Roasted> did they screw up while integrating pulse audio?
[04:19] <iconmefisto> I don't think the problem is pulseaudio itself. it's installing it that can be problematic
[04:19] <jake_> Also how do you edit the Grub boot menu so Windows will auto start instead of Ubuntu?
[04:19] <maco> Roasted: since they probably actually integrated unlike kubuntu, probably not
[04:20] <maco> kubuntu *did not integrate pulseaudio PERIOD*
[04:20] <maco> because kubuntu does not ship it
[04:20] <maco> and kubuntu devs cross their fingers and hope no users will ever install it
[04:20] <Roasted> I installed pulse audio, flash audio works now, but not amarok doesnt
[04:20] <Roasted> well, the bottom line is, I need my OS to work
[04:20] <Roasted> I dont mean to sound like this but I had this thing installed for 2 hrs and I cant get my sound to work right
[04:20] <maco> close firefox and amarok
[04:20] <maco> then start them both back up
[04:21] <maco> now that pulse is runnign
[04:21] <maco> if one was running before pulse, it got the exclusive hardware lock
[04:21] <maco> (er, all audio-using software really)
[04:21] <Roasted> now flash freezes
[04:21] <maco> heck, do this: kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/seq* /dev/snd/*)
[04:21] <Roasted> with no audio
[04:21] <Roasted> wheres my opensuse cd..
[04:21] <maco> that kills all audio apps (and yeah yeah crim sun will say thats the old way to kill them but i dont know the new way)
[04:22] <Roasted> just copy that entire command?
[04:22] <Roasted> ( ) and all?
[04:22] <maco> yes
[04:22] <werfact> Roasted: lol, going back to microsoft?
[04:22] <maco> werfact: opensuse is novell, silly :P
[04:22] <Roasted> werfact - thats just me being smart. If I'd switch, I'd go to mandriva.
[04:22] <Roasted> although opensuse was no doubt solid
[04:23] <Roasted> k - ran that command. now what. reopen amarok/firefox?
[04:23] <maco> so i'd do that kill command, then "pulseaudio -D" to make sure pulseaudio starts back up
[04:23] <maco> then start your audio apps
[04:23] <Roasted> werfact: for the record, red hat made similar deals with MS as well. But it was kept so well under the radar. Imagine that... the two top dog linux enterprise companies made a deal with MS... a very similar deal at that.
[04:24] <Roasted> no audio in amarok
[04:24] <werfact> Roasted: yeah, thats why ill never use any of their software
[04:24] <Roasted> sigh..
[04:24] <Roasted> werfact: they did it for benefiting the linux community, though.
[04:24] <werfact> if you want to believe that , thats fine
[04:24] <Roasted> their deals were in regard to virtualizing linux and windows networks seamlessly
[04:25] <Roasted> theres nothing to believe. thats what happened.
[04:25] <Roasted> novell was jsut sloppy about it
[04:25] <maco> Roasted: whats the output of: for i in  $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/seq* /dev/snd/*) ; do ps -ef | grep $i ; done
[04:25] <Roasted> lol, maco, wheres the command start?
[04:25] <maco> Roasted: after the "of:"
[04:26] <Roasted> it just sits at >
[04:26] <werfact> Roasted: since when microsoft does anything to benefit linux?
[04:26] <maco> Roasted: you get everything up to the "done"?
[04:27] <Roasted> werfact: It's not about microsoft benefitting linux itself. it's about users with microsoft networks not being afraid to integrate linux to their networks because microsoft and linux are working TOGETHER to develop seamless transitions so the platforms can co-exist without headaches.
[04:27] <Roasted> THATS the deal.
[04:27] <Roasted> period, done, over. that's the deal.
[04:27] <Roasted> because of it, and because of things being able to integrate more easily with mixed platform networks, it indirectly creates more exposure for thel inux community since IT admins will be more likely to consider linux in their network.
[04:28] <Roasted> maco was I to include "done" with it?
[04:28] <Roasted> ahh looks like it
[04:28] <Roasted> I ran it with done. what am I looking for now?
[04:29] <Roasted> maybe I should just install alsa and call it a night
[04:31] <maco> Roasted: um alsa's already installed. alsa is your driver.
[04:31] <maco> it's part of the kernel
[04:31] <maco> well, alsa also has some libraries, but they are, of course, installed as well
[04:31] <maco> and i wanted to see the output. it tells which apps are talkng directly to hardware
[04:31] <Roasted> let me pastebin it
[04:31] <Roasted> http://pastebin.com/m186f6349
[04:33] <werfact> Roasted: so thats why novell is paying microsoft tax?
[04:34] <Roasted> novell pays MS tax, and MS sells SLED
[04:34] <Roasted> MS is selling Linux
[04:34] <Roasted> Novell has made over double what they originally projected to make, and theyre only 4 years into the 5 year agreement
[04:35] <crimsun> Roasted: sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[04:35] <Roasted> The only reason Novell got a target on its rear end was because Novell is exclusively non-sue-able by Microsoft now. Linux is about equality, fairness, etc. The rest of the Linux community was totally against the fact that Novell made an agreement that made them exclusive (aka different) from the rest of linux - red hat, ubuntu, mandriva, etc
[04:35] <Roasted> Red Hat refused to let that happen. Yet Red Hat made the same agreement as Novell did - just without the non sue BS
[04:36] <Roasted> crimsun: whats that command do?
[04:36] <werfact> Roasted: but you said red hat did it too, so it wasnt exclusive
[04:36] <crimsun> Roasted: it gives me the info necessary to see which file descriptors in /dev/snd are being used by what apps.
[04:36] <Roasted> werfact: No, there's two different things I was referring to.
[04:36] <Roasted> werfact: Red Hat and Novell made the same deal, but on different terms.
[04:37] <Roasted> werfact: Red Hat is not non-sueable-exclusive. Novell is. Red Hat is still as equally viewed as Ubuntu is, Mandriva, etc. Novell has exclusive rights to not be sued by MS.
[04:37] <Roasted> werfact: However, to IT admins, that might be appealing knowing you can add Novell Linux products to your network and know theres no chance of them clashing whatsoever.
[04:37] <Roasted> werfact: pros and cons to each situation I suppose.
[04:38] <Roasted> werfact: people really dog Novell a lot more than they deserve. Its still linux. Its still open source. And Novell has still done a ton of tremendous work for the open soruce community. Sure maybe they had a one night stand with MS but it may indirectly be beneficial to the linux community after all. Only time will tell.
[04:38] <Roasted> crimsun - are you running kubuntu?
[04:38] <crimsun> Roasted: yes on certain machines.
[04:39] <devin> hey ppl!
[04:39] <Roasted> crimsun: are you running pulse audio ona ny of those kubuntu boxes?
[04:39] <crimsun> Roasted: yes
[04:39] <Roasted> crimsun: do you find pulse audio sucks on those machines?
[04:40] <crimsun> Roasted: my experience as one of the primary audio stack maintainers in Ubuntu is highly irrelevant.
[04:40] <Roasted> crimsun: I'm just trying to understand if its worth fighting with pulse in kubuntu.
[04:40] <Roasted> crimsun: I just cant figure out why Im having such a headache with kubuntu with sound.
[04:40] <crimsun> Roasted: I'm far more interested in resolving issues not debating whether "something vague-like is broken" FSVO broken.
[04:41] <Roasted> crimsun: Well, perhaps you could help me with my issue?
[04:41] <devin> this is very off topic, but does anyone know how to install leopard on a ppc mac without the DVD or cd drive? life from usb external or something
[04:41] <crimsun> Roasted: I'm awaiting your data to my most recent set of commands
[04:41] <devin> like*
[04:42] <Roasted> one second
[04:42] <Roasted> http://pastebin.com/m28423049
[04:42] <crimsun> Roasted: in KDE System Settings > Multimedia, according to the profiles, is PulseAudio set primary/top-most?
[04:43] <Roasted> crimsun: No. It is not. Should I change it?
[04:43] <crimsun> Roasted: yes, otherwise you will encounter precisely the symptoms currently
[04:43] <Roasted> crimsun: riddle me this
[04:43] <Roasted> crimsun: why is it my laptop, also installed with kubuntu 9.10 64 bit today, has pulse audio on the bottom, yet has no issues like I have on my desktop?
[04:44] <crimsun> Roasted: I presume your actual audio hardware differs.
[04:44] <devin> Bad sound card?
[04:44] <Roasted> crimsun: well, yeah. I guess audio hardware could alter the way pulseaudio interacts with the system itself. eh?
[04:44] <crimsun> Roasted: PulseAudio is one component in the audio stack. It relies on good drivers and good hardware.
[04:45] <Roasted> crimsun: ironically, it relies on good hardware - the lesser of the two systems, a laptop, works fine, whereas my desktop with a dedicated sound card doesnt. :(
[04:45] <Roasted> crimsun: anyway, should I reboot this desktop now?
[04:45] <Roasted> crimsun: now that I have pulseaudioa t the top
[04:45] <crimsun> maco: / Roasted: after making the Phonon change, you need to logout and login
[04:45] <Roasted> I'll be back in a minute
[04:46] <crimsun> also, there's the bit about flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound if using Adobe Flash with Konqueror
[04:46] <crimsun> maco: ^^
[04:46]  * crimsun is offline
[04:47] <Roasted> crimsun - no sound on youtube
[04:47] <crimsun> 23:46 < crimsun> also, there's the bit about flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound if  using Adobe Flash with Konqueror
[04:47] <Roasted> Im on firefox
[04:48] <crimsun> I can't tell unless you give me the same fuser while Flash is running
[04:48] <Roasted> http://pastebin.com/m27897f65
[04:48] <Roasted> is this suggesting that the implementation of pulseaudio is poor? (I hear that a lot)
[04:49] <crimsun> no, it isn't suggesting anything at all about PA
[04:49] <crimsun> Kubuntu deliberately does not ship PA by default
[04:49] <Roasted> I had ubuntu 9.10 on this rig earlier today, had no issues. Im thinking going back to ubuntu might be a good idea...
[04:50] <crimsun> in many cases, that avoids PA integration headaches, but it certainly won't prevent said headaches if one installs PA (or a package that pulls it in)
[04:50] <Roasted> Yeah. I understand.
[04:50] <crimsun> anyhow, please install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound from multiverse and restart FF
[04:51] <Roasted> I have multiverse checked - but cannot find package.
[04:51] <crimsun> ah, it's built as i386-only
[04:52] <Roasted> will kubuntu 10.04 have PA?
[04:52] <crimsun> Roasted: how did you install the Flash plugin?
[04:52] <crimsun> Roasted: no
[04:52] <Roasted> restricted-extras
[04:52] <crimsun> Roasted: ah, that's why.
[04:52] <Roasted> really? wow, why not?
[04:52] <maco> Roasted: because kubuntu never ships pulseaudio
[04:52] <maco> only ubuntu does
[04:52] <maco> sorry, never *has* shipped it
[04:53] <Roasted> I know they havent before - I was jsut curious if theyll start with 10.04.
[04:53] <crimsun> i.e., the introduction of PA into Kubuntu won't take place until after 10.04
[04:53] <maco> nah, nothing experimental in 10.04
[04:53] <Roasted> It doesnt make sense why they wouldnt, especially when certain packages pull in PA anyway and create headaches.
[04:53] <Roasted> well dang
[04:53] <maco> (and by experimental i mean "things they havent tried before")
[04:53] <Roasted> yeah. I understand. It being an LTS and all.
[04:53] <crimsun> Roasted: anyhow, please purge flashplugin-installer
[04:54] <Roasted> sudo apt-get remove --purge flashplugin-installer      ?
[04:54] <crimsun> Roasted: then, download and install the 64-bit alpha refresh from Adobe directly
[04:54] <crimsun> Roasted: yes
[04:55] <Roasted> is there a deb for it?
[04:55] <crimsun> perhaps in a PPA
[04:56] <crimsun> I need to run; g'luck
[04:58] <Roasted> yeah, this is getting old.
[04:58] <Roasted> thanks for the help maco and crimsun
[04:58] <Roasted> I think its time I put ubuntu back in
[04:58] <Roasted> I just need things tow ork. Im tired of fighting with it.
[06:52] <Fla> huí
[06:52] <Fla> hi
[07:02] <Fla> hallo?
[07:03] <Peace-> hi
[07:03] <petsounds> hello there
[07:03] <Peace-> Fla: ?
[07:14] <Fla> hi
[07:44] <Fla> haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallooooooooooooooooo??????????????????
[08:15] <jtheuer> Hi, do you know a script or application where I can one-click-forward interesting webistes or blogs to my wordpress blog? It's just for tracking interesting stuff so It is ok to have only the title, url and the first lines of content...
[10:19] <tdn_> How do I get my HP Color LaserJet 3600 to work?
[10:23] <llutz> tdn: : install either hpis or pxljr http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-Color_LaserJet_3600
[10:23] <tdn> I have tried installing an HP Color LaserJet 3600 printer, but when I try to print, nothing happens. Then later, KDE gives a notification, that the printer may not be connected. This, however is not the case. It is a network printer, and other people can print just fine.
[10:23] <tdn> llutz, checking link.
[10:24] <tdn> llutz, not sure how to install that.
[10:25] <tdn> llutz, I went to http://localhost:631/ > Administration > Add Printer. Then what?
[10:26] <tdn> Internet Printing Protocol (http)
[10:27] <tdn> Then I write: http://10.1.0.32/ipp  (the address of the printer is 10.1.0.32, just checked from another computer using that printer AND by making the printer printout its configuration)
[10:28] <tdn> So I am pretty sure that the printer address is correct. I can also see the printer admin interface if I set my browser to http://10.1.0.32/
[10:33] <tdn> I have tried going through the Add Printer wizard in CUPS several times. Trying both pxljr and hpijs. None works :(
[10:34] <mischka> what printer @tdn
[10:35] <tdn> mischka, the printer is an HP Color LaserJet 3600
[10:37] <mischka> @tdn maybe this is a solution: http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/
[10:38] <tdn> mischka, that page does not mention 3600.
[10:39] <mischka> ok i see.
[10:40] <mischka> what about official hp driver?
[10:42] <vadallat> helo
[10:42] <vadallat> i have a little probleme with a samba settings
[10:49] <tdn> microtech, the official hp driver? Isn't that proprietary?
[10:50] <tdn> mischka, please tell me how to do.
[10:55] <zk> kaixo
[10:56] <zk> alguen habla castellano?
[10:56] <maco> !es | zk
[11:01] <zk> agur
[11:17] <rethus> what for a program have i tochoose to start installation automaticly, if i donwload a deb-package with firefox`
[11:25] <rethus> how did i install a .deb-package?
[11:25] <rethus> (i comw from suse and have no plan ) :)
[11:27] <Peace-> rethus: well..
[11:27] <Peace-> rethus: there is service menu for that
[11:27] <Peace-> right button on the file
[11:27] <Peace-> open with gdebi
[11:27] <Peace-> or sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[11:27] <Peace-> or oro or sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[11:28] <Peace-> or http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Apt-servicemenu?content=108087
[11:30] <rethus> Peace: thanks.
[11:30] <rethus> and from konsole i use dpkg ?
[11:31] <Peace-> yep
[11:32] <rethus> Peace: mhh, seems gdebi not on my system... is it for kde?
[11:32] <Peace-> yep
[11:32] <rethus> the g in front of debi looks like for gnome?
[11:32] <Peace-> nope....
[11:33] <Peace-> it's a service menu...
[11:33] <rethus> ah, ok
[12:33] <ubuntu_> Greetings. I can`t boot my system (Kubuntu 9.10) and I need to make Grub boot in /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sdb1 How can I do that, please
[12:33] <ubuntu_> (i`m using LiveCD right now)
[12:34] <jussi01> !grub | ubuntu_
[12:34] <jussi01> see the first link
[12:34] <jussi01> oh, wait
[12:34] <jussi01> !grub2
[12:34] <ubuntu_> but I didn`t installed windows
[12:34] <jussi01> that one... ;)
[12:34] <jussi01> ubuntu_: the grub2 link is what you need, as i didnt see you said karmic
[12:35] <ubuntu_> oh ok
[12:40] <ubuntu_> jussi01: One problem
[12:40] <jussi01> ubuntu_: ?
[12:40] <ubuntu__> server irc.utonet.org
[12:41] <ubuntu_> jussi01:  I`m following the instructions under error 15 (my case)
[12:41] <ubuntu__> l0l
[12:41] <ubuntu_> jussi01: but when I did the dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
[12:41] <ubuntu_> jussi01: It appears: Linux command line and an emptyfield
[12:42] <ubuntu_> what should I type in there
[12:42] <ubuntu_> (btw, sorry if my phrases seem kinda weird, my KB is not configured yet)
[12:46] <ubuntu_> jussi01: Are you there?
[12:46] <sk8tertil> yeah
[12:47] <jussi01> vaguely, Im working atm
[12:47] <ubuntu_> oh, sorry
[12:47] <ubuntu_> can someone please advise?
[12:47] <sk8tertil> i have a powerpc and i cant get the flash player to work
[12:49] <sk8tertil> any help would be great
[12:49] <jussi01> sk8tertil: #ubuntu-powerpc
[12:49] <sk8tertil> thanks
[12:49] <jussi01> ubuntu_: Im not sure atm and dont have time to get indepth, sorry
[12:49] <ubuntu_> jussi01: noworries, I think I got it
[12:49] <ubuntu_> thanks
[12:49] <jussi01> excellent
[13:30] <bl4val> Hello. Could someone help me get kwin effects working. i have radeon hd2400.
[14:12] <luisgmarine> Good Morning.  Is there an error on kubuntu.org as far as the md5sums?  I've downloaded ubuntu amd64 about 3 times now, and the check md5sums never match.  I've even tried using different servers each time, with no avail.  The difference is only an empty space between the hash and the name.
[14:25] <jc0694> hello
[14:27] <jc0694> i just downloaded and installed scid chess from kpackagekit but i don't know how to run it (i don't see it in my menu)... any ideas?
[14:32] <sena-> jc0694: you may try from the command line with commad like "scid" or alike
[14:38] <jc0694> sena: i'm not sure it installed it... how can i check if the program is actually installed... when i type scid from command prompt or even search for "scid" in menu i don't see anything
[14:44] <kex_> I have a small question. Maybe someone knows better than I can do with google.  Is there a way to use a certain GTK style for a specific app, overriding the default in System Settings?
[14:45] <kex_> I like QTCurve, but scite segfaults with it.  It's annoying to always manually change the gtk style and back.
[14:58] <kex_> lucky, found the answer myself. this type of syntax is unknown to me, but: GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/share/themes/Human-Clearlooks/gtk-2.0 scite
[15:00] <unclejon> does Ubuntu have any built-in anti virus software?
[15:01] <unclejon> I'm trying to configure my email on evolution and I thinki my firewall is blocking my smtp server access.
[15:01] <xjjk> unclejon: no, it doesn't
[15:02] <xjjk> unclejon: also, you'r best off asking Ubuntu-related questions in #Ubuntu
[15:02] <unclejon> ah ok
[15:02] <unclejon> thanks.
[15:02] <xjjk> few people here run Evolution
[15:02] <martijn_> unclejon: no there is no anti-virus for the desktop, it is only there for email (servers)
[15:02] <unclejon> gotcha
[15:06] <martijn_> unclejon: standard there is no firewall configured under (k/x)ubuntu
[15:06] <unclejon> mm.
[15:06] <unclejon> alright, thanks.
[15:06] <unclejon> it must be something else :|
[15:06] <martijn_> there are some GUI's for firewalls though, see $apt-cache search firewall
[15:10] <jc0694> how can i check to make sure the drivers for my gfx card are installed?  when i run glxgears i get like 30 fps in full screen which is too slow
[15:15] <ilumi> yoyoyoyoyoyo
[15:16] <martijn_> jc0694: have you tried $jockey-kde ?
[15:17] <martijn_> hi ilumi
[15:17] <Vroomfondle> jc0694: a common test is "glxinfo | grep -i dri"
[15:17] <Vroomfondle> if anything shows up, chances are you have a half-decent graphics driver installed
[15:19] <jc0694> something did show up but i'm getting really really bad fps when i run glx gears... like 30 fps in full screen... that's horrible
[15:20] <Vroomfondle> perhaps your graphics card is not well-supported. What card?
[15:20] <ilumi> hi hi
[15:20] <jc0694> x1200
[15:20] <Vroomfondle> that's a very slow card...
[15:20] <jc0694> it's on a laptop
[15:21] <ilumi> jc0694: check in xorg.cong which driver it loads
[15:22] <martijn_> how do i get myself w64codecs to be installed on my 9.10 desktop?
[15:22] <Vroomfondle> martijn_: it's probably in Medibuntu, if anywhere. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[15:23] <martijn_> okok
[15:23] <jc0694> were is xorg.cong?
[15:24] <Vroomfondle> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:24] <jc0694> ok
[15:29] <jc0694> Vroomfondle: it doesn't really show anything... i'll show u but i don't know how to screen capture... what app/widget can do this quickly?
[15:29] <DerHorst> What happens, when you push the "Printscreen" or "Druck" Button on your keyboard?
[15:30] <jc0694> heheheh... just tried that... oh... cool, i just found ksnapshot... printscrn worked
[15:31] <DerHorst> Usually this button should be connected to ksnapshot
[15:42] <jc0694> sorry for taking so long... here's the link:  http://imagebin.ca/view/VTYU6jr.html
[15:44] <Kolia> jc0694: yiu should install the pastebin widget on your desktop ;)
[15:44] <DerHorst> For pasting Text a pastebin is better: at example http://pastebin.org/ (or one of the other 1000 you would find googling)
[15:45] <Kolia> this xorg.conf looks .. quite empty
[15:47] <Vroomfondle> Kolia: yeah, they are these days
[15:47] <Vroomfondle> almost all of it's done automatically
[15:49] <Vroomfondle> jc0694: right, there's no mention of FGLRX (the "restricted" driver for ATI)
[15:49] <Vroomfondle> so you're probably using the open-source driver instead
[15:49] <jc0694> ok... so the drivers aren't installed then right?
[15:49] <Vroomfondle> well, you have *a* driver installed but it's not necessarily the fastest one available
[15:50] <jc0694> right... should i just go to ati and find my driver and download it for linux
[15:50] <Vroomfondle> jc0694: no
[15:51] <Vroomfondle> jc0694: go to K -> applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers
[15:51] <Vroomfondle> it will try to find a better driver for you.
[15:51] <sami_> hi, Im a new user, how can I install msn messenger
[15:52] <Vroomfondle> sami_: you can use Kopete instead. That will connect to an MSN (Windows Live) account.
[15:52] <jc0694> here's the problem... everytime i go there it keeps referencing my broadcom STA wireless driver... that's all it says (activated and currently in use) but doesn't mention any of the other drivers????
[15:54] <DerHorst> sami_: Do you know the basics how to install/remove programs?
[15:54] <sami_> no
[15:55] <DerHorst> So you just set up a fresh kubuntu on your machine?
[15:56] <DerHorst> Than I could tell you a bit about the basics
[15:56] <jc0694> let me try and get a screencapture... i have the pastebin widget installed but it saays drag iimage to the bin... how do i drag a screencapture... i guess i have to save it first or just hit prnt scrn and it should paste automatically?
[15:56] <sami_> thanks
[15:56] <Vroomfondle> jc0694: why screencapture?
[15:57] <Vroomfondle> it's text. Just copy and paste.
[15:57] <Vroomfondle> unless you want to capture something else now
[15:57] <Kolia> jc0694: select your text and drage it to the pastebin applet
[15:57] <Kolia> it will share it on an online pastebin site
[15:57] <Kolia> no need to make a screenshot for text.
[15:57] <DerHorst> sami_: there are two ways of installing programs: First a program called "adept" and second using the commandline
[15:58] <DerHorst> sami_: If you want to install a program and know the name you would better use the commandline aka Konsole
[15:58] <jc0694> i'm trying to show u what happens when i go to hardware drivers gui... it doesn't show all my drivers only something about my broadcom STA driver but nothing about gfx drivers
[15:59] <sami_> ok
[15:59] <DerHorst> sami_: The name of the program you are looking for is "kopete" so the command for your Kommanline would be  "sudo apt-get install kopete"
[15:59] <Kolia> jc0694:  is it a fresh kubuntu install?
[15:59] <jc0694> Kolia: yes
[16:00] <Kolia> jc0694: can you try to make a sudo apt-get update ?
[16:00] <DerHorst> "sudo" for giveing yourself temporary super user, "apt-get" for caling the program that will install the program "install" for what the program should do and "kopete" for the name of the programm you want to install it
[16:00] <Kolia> and then get back to the hardware drivers dialog?
[16:01] <jc0694> just typee "sudo apt-get update" in the konsole?
[16:01] <Kolia> jc0694: yep
[16:01] <jc0694> *type
[16:01] <jc0694> and that should update the gfx drivers automatically?
[16:01] <sami_> Im trting it
[16:01] <Kolia> jc0694:  no it just updates the list of available packages
[16:02] <sami_> trying
[16:02] <Kolia> jc0694: if you want to update everything automatically you can do   sudo apt-get upgrade   (after the update)
[16:02] <jc0694> all i want is to get my gfx card drivers updated
[16:04] <rstob911> jc0694: do what Kolia said then go back to the hardware drivers intaller and see if your card is in the list then
[16:07] <sami_> where can I find the editor commadline
[16:07] <DerHorst> try the button on the down-left edge of your screen -> system -> konsole
[16:08] <DerHorst> (I have a german language style, so maybe some things are named differend at your side)
[16:11] <sami_> do you mean system setting
[16:11] <jc0694> question on pastebin? it says in the bottom right corner of the dekstop that the image was successfully posted but it cuts off on where the image was posted... how can i see where the image was posted?
[16:12] <ilumi> image of what?
[16:13] <DerHorst> sami_: No not setting
[16:13] <jc0694> i'm trying to use pastebin widget for first time... i took an image of desktop to visualize what my problem is... i copied image to pastebin widget... it processed it.. and now it saays the image was successfully posted but it cut's off and i can't see where?  help
[16:13] <DerHorst> The icon should be something like a grey monitor with a dark sreeen
[16:13] <sami_> ok, i found it
[16:15] <jc0694> i'll try this the other way...
[16:16] <Kolia> jc0694: isn't there a "copy to cliboard" button in the notification?
[16:18] <jc0694> i don't know...i did it another waay... this is what i get when i try to go to look at my drivers (refer to previous post about gfx card driver missing):  http://imagebin.ca/view/Wb-PAG7.html
[16:19] <jc0694> it keeps referencing my broadcom STA wireless driver... says nothing about all the other drivers on my pc
[16:20] <Kolia> jc0694: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[16:25] <jc0694> when u upload a file using pastebin where is this file posted... i keep getting a messaage from the pastebin widget that the file was successfully uploaded but it doesn't say where?
[16:26] <Kolia> jc0694: it should return you an url
[16:26] <Kolia> that's all
[16:26] <Kolia> don't you see a "copy to clipboard" button?
[16:26] <Kolia> try to press CTRL+C ?
[16:26] <Kolia> (+ SHIFT if in console)
[16:32] <jc0694> here's contents of /etc/apt/sources.list:  http://pastebin.ca/1756169
[16:34] <robinking623> how can I get the pidgin 2.65?
[16:34] <robinking623> or I can just compile it by myself?
[16:36] <jc0694> Kolia: did u get the url for mysources.list (see above)
[16:37] <BluesKaj> robinking623, it should be in the repos
[16:37] <genii> robinking623: http://www.pidgin.im/download/ubuntu/   has repository instructions for their main one
[16:37] <genii> !info pidgin karmic
[16:37] <genii> BluesKaj: 2.6.2 in repos
[16:38] <robinking623> genii: I have already done this
[16:38] <robinking623> genii: but I have only 2.62
[16:38] <BluesKaj> jc0694, using the canadian repos sources server is really slow vs the main server
[16:38] <robinking623> genii: so that means I have to compile it myself
[16:38] <robinking623> genii: ?
[16:38] <xjjk> robinking623: when was 2.6.5 released?
[16:38] <BluesKaj> jc0694, i switched a few yrs back , and havent regretted it
[16:39] <robinking623> xjjk: just go to the offical site
[16:39] <jc0694> BluesKaj: i'm not sure what you are talking about
[16:39] <BluesKaj> why what's wrong with 2.62 ?
[16:39] <jc0694> Kolia: u there?
[16:39] <xjjk> robinking623: I don't care enough to look it up... but if it's very recent, it may take a few weeks to appear in the repositories
[16:40] <xjjk> unless it's fixing urgent security issues
[16:40] <robinking623> BluesKaj: I just wanna it be the newest
[16:40] <BluesKaj> jc0694, your sources list looks at the canadian repositories which are very slow compared to the main server in UK and europe
[16:40] <xjjk> robinking623: you'll probably have to compile
[16:40] <jc0694> ok...
[16:40] <robinking623> xjjk: I am doing it
[16:42] <robinking623> thanks you guys
[16:43] <xjjk> robinking623: generally, unless there's a particular reason to run the latest release
[16:44] <xjjk> it's not worth the effort
[16:44] <Kolia> jc0694: sorry busy with work. looks fine. I wonder if proprietary drivers are not in backport repo though. BluesKaj , genii , any idea?
[16:44] <robinking623> xjjk: ok, thanks, but it is not so difficult
[16:47] <BluesKaj> Kolia, dunno about proprietary drivers in the repos ..some in ppas afaik
[16:47] <jc0694> Kolia: so is there anything i can do to get the correct drivers for my gfx card... i don't think they're installed... i get bad ghosting just dragging a winidow an inch across the screen
[16:47] <robinking623> xjjk: but it costs time
[16:48] <robinking623> xjjk: and places on my harddisk.......
[16:50] <BluesKaj> jc0694, which graphics card ?
[16:50] <Kolia> jc0694: not sure :/ which gfk card is it?
[16:50] <Kolia> (:
[16:51] <jc0694> x1200
[16:51] <BluesKaj> ati ?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> jc0694, in the terminal , lspci | grep VGA
[16:53] <Vroomfondle> yes, x1200 is ati
[16:53] <Vroomfondle> it's an old laptop chipset
[16:54] <jc0694> says:  01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
[16:55] <BluesKaj> jc0694, you need to install the  , xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd driver .. it's available in the repositories
[16:57] <jc0694> not really familiar with the repos... do i just go to a website and download and install manually or is there an online automatic way like kpackagekit?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> jc0694, make sure you remove the old driver first in the kpackagekit , then install the new one
[16:59] <BluesKaj> jc0694, installing the new one will probly auto-remove the old driver if you use kpackagekit
[17:01] <jc0694> so i'll just search for "radeon" on the search and the  xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd driver should show right?
[17:02] <Spaceman> i'm trying to set up a static IP, what goes in the "DNS Search" box? I have entered IP, Netmask, Gateway, DNS Addresses
[17:02] <BluesKaj> jc0694, type ati x1200
[17:05] <jc0694> kpackagekit found xserver-xorg-video-radeon - 1:6.12.1-0ubuntu2 (amd64)
[17:05] <jc0694> is it this one?
[17:07] <jc0694> actually that's the wrong one... i think i found it... it's exactly what you said
[17:09] <jc0694> does pc need to be restarted after installing drivers?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> jc0694, do run a 64bit pc ?
[17:09] <jc0694> yes
[17:09] <jc0694> OS is 64 bit too
[17:09] <BluesKaj> jc0694, usually for graphics a reboot is needed
[17:10] <jc0694> ok... here's goes nothing... thnx
[17:10] <BluesKaj> ok I hope you installed the 64 bit driver
[17:16] <jc0694> i don't think that solved the problem... still bad fps for glxgears...
[17:17] <BluesKaj> ok I hope you installed the 64 bit driver
[17:18] <BluesKaj> BBL , gotta run some errands
[17:20] <jc0694> and everytime i try and see my drivers by going to:  menu --> System --> Hardware Drivers, I get the following gui:  http://imagebin.ca/view/jeNPKuXI.html
[17:21] <jc0694> it said amd64 on the drivers
[17:21] <mary> ciao
[17:22] <Nete> Hello, The web browsing font is very different from what I am used to. I don't know what happened. I tried changing the default font in firefox, but still nothing changed.
[17:22] <mary> !list
[17:23] <kkathman> Nete  I have the same issue...it look really bad here
[17:23] <Omar87__> Every time I opent the shell, I recieve this message: "bash: /home/omar/android_sdk_linux_86/: No such file or directory", I think I know why it appears, but I'm just not sure how to stop it. Any help please?
[17:23] <maco> Omar87__: sounds like you added that path to your $PATH?
[17:24] <maco> and that the directory doesnt exist...
[17:24] <Kolia> jc0694: you installed the 64 bit version of the ati driver?
[17:24] <maco> Omar87__: i would guess if you set the $PATH manually somewhere it was probably ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile, so check those files
[17:24] <Nete> kkathman: it didn't look bad too long ago.... but then something changed. I recently installed some new fonts, but I don't know why that would change anything.
[17:25] <jc0694> Kolia: the driver software ended in parens with: (and64)
[17:25] <kkathman> Nete I wonder if installing the true type fonts would help?
[17:25] <jc0694> thats *(amd64)
[17:25] <Kolia> ok
[17:26] <Omar87__> maco: Oh, yeah there it is. Thanks a lot. ;-)
[17:26] <maco> Omar87__: no problem
[17:26] <jc0694> Kolia: did u see the post before last... when i try to look at my drivers all i get is that gui... it doesn't say anything about all my other drivers... just my broadcom wireless driver... any ideas?
[17:27] <Nete> kkathman: Is there a TT font pack that would solve the prob?
[17:27] <Kolia> jc0694: nope sorry :/
[17:27] <jc0694> here it is one more time
[17:27] <jc0694>  and everytime i try and see my drivers by going to:  menu --> System --> Hardware Drivers, I get the following gui:  http://imagebin.ca/view/jeNPKuXI.html
[17:28] <Nete> kkathman: I do have a selection of TT fonts...
[17:28] <kkathman> Nete I'm looking - looks like you have to get the ttu-mscorefonts-installer
[17:29] <Kolia> jc0694: paste again you xorg.conf file please
[17:29] <robinking623> genii: I have already done that
[17:29] <robinking623> genii: but I can not use my cam
[17:30] <genii> robinking623: pidgin doesn't support webcam much. It's developers have also specifically said they don't care about webcam support
[17:31] <jc0694> http://pastebin.ca/1756283
[17:32] <robinking623> genii: but I have already compiled it with "configure --enable-vv"
[17:32] <Kolia> jc0694: you're sure you installed your driver correctly?
[17:33] <Kolia> no trace of it in the xorg.conf file
[17:33] <Kolia> check in packagekit that it sasy that the package is already installed
[17:33] <Kolia> *says
[17:33] <genii> robinking623: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Pidgin#DoesPidginsupportwebcamsvideo
[17:35] <kkathman> Nete that seemed to do it.  Also if you go to your system settings, appearance and fonts and turn anti-aliasing to ENABLED that makes the web sites look better too
[17:35] <jc0694> probably  not... i'm a little unsure about kpackagekit... everytime i click it appears to download and install... but i'm not certain...
[17:35] <Kolia> jc0694: type this  in command line then:   sudo apt-get install <nameofthepackage> (without the <>)
[17:35] <jc0694> ok, let me check
[17:35] <Kolia> jc0694: do it from command line to be sure
[17:35]  * Kolia has to leave real soon
[17:37] <Kolia> jc0694: have to go. try to install the driver from command line as said above
[17:37] <Kolia> i'll be back later tonight
[17:37] <Kolia> bye
[17:39] <lysandre> #sherbrooke
[17:41] <Nete> kkathman: thank you very much1
[17:41] <jc0694> anybody here good with installing gfx card drivers (or troubleshooting)?
[17:47] <Nete> kkathman: are you still here?
[17:48] <robinking623> genii: ok, thanks
[17:49] <Nete> kkathman: I had a lot of fonts I downloaded in Home > Fonts. I just renamed the folder so programs don't look there. It's back to normal.
[17:52] <robinking623> Nete: Home > fonts
[18:05] <lucypher> Hi I've upgraded to KDE 4.4 (4.3.90) from kubuntu-beta ppa, but now I can't start kontact, it seems that akonadi server isn't automatically started
[18:07] <robinking623> lucypher: ......nice try
[18:08] <lucypher> robiking623: it is pretty stable ATM
[18:09] <robinking623> lucypher: I'd like to wait
[18:11] <greenmang0> has anybody solved katomic level 12?
[18:12] <ToxinPowe__> lucypher: it is pretty unstable for me xD
[18:13] <lucypher> ToxinPowe: I've removed .kde folder, before it was pretty unstable fr me too
[18:13] <ToxinPowe__> lucypher: I try that too, but thanks anyway :(
[18:28] <boogerman> I read in Linux Format magazine #125 "a recent survey revealed that machines using 1 GB of RAM or less struggle with KDE 4."  I built my machine in 2004 with 1 GB...  Can anyone comment on performance with Kubuntu 9.10?
[18:33] <robinking623> boogerman: I have 4Gb and I am using kde
[18:33] <jc0694> how can i tell if i have gfx card drivers installed?
[18:33] <boogerman> I'm asking whether 1 GB would be enough.  Obviously 4 GB will outperform 1 GB.
[18:34] <robinking623> boogerman: maybe you should try gnome or xfce
[18:36] <BluesKaj> jc0694, I'm back ..if you are willing to try the command line that's fine , but in order to install a graphics driver properly it has to be done with the Xwindow system turned off , because it uses the existing driver to run you computer graphics ..I recommend this procedure which is copied from a tutorial on my graphics card's website , http://www.pastebin.ca/1756355
[18:37] <genii> boogerman: On an older laptop I am running 9.04/KDE 4.2.4 with 768Mb and it uses swap almost continuously.
[18:39] <boogerman> Yeah, I've been using Xubuntu for a few years.  I like its speed, but the functionality leaves much to be desired.
[18:40] <boogerman> Anyone have a problem with 9.10 as a whole?  Regardless of desktop environment?
[18:40] <rethus> in older kde there was kssh... what can i use now to manage my ssh connection on kde?
[18:41] <Mamarok> boogerman: that's not a support question, please take this ti #kubuntu-offtopic
[18:41] <Mamarok> to*
[18:44] <jc0694> jc0694, I'm back ..if you are willing to try the command line that's fine , but in order to install a graphics driver properly it has to be done with the Xwindow system turned off , because it uses the existing driver to run you computer graphics ..I recommend this procedure which is copied from a tutorial on my graphics card's website , http://www.pastebin.ca/1756355
[18:46] <jc0694> BluesKaj: from your pastebin instructions for line #3... will that automatically download the radeon driver and install or do i need to already have downloaded the driver first?
[18:50] <jc0694> BluesKaj: u there?
[18:50] <BluesKaj> yes jc0694 it will automatically download and install the driver
[18:52] <markus__> hy everybody
[18:53] <tomplast> ehlo
[18:56] <markus__> how can I find out the author of a plasmoid?
[18:56] <sahk0> hi, does anyone know why although i have changed my preffered shell to zsh, when i start GNU screen it starts bash?
[18:57] <martijn_> markus__: you might want to check http://kde-apps.org
[19:00] <angelo> U SUCK
[19:00] <llutz> sahk0: also changed zsh as your login-shell?
[19:00] <angelo> im just playing
[19:01] <angelo> don't get mad
[19:01] <jc0694> BluesKaj: ok... i did it, everything appeared to work... however when i went to my xorg.conf file, everything is exactly the same as before:  http://pastebin.ca/1756390
[19:01] <angelo> get glad lol
[19:01] <sahk0> llutz: i chsh'ed it..
[19:01] <sahk0> and that was 2 weeks ago, i have logged out since..
[19:02] <BluesKaj> jc0694, yes it will be , but the version of your driver is updated and xorg doesn't get into detail about that ...how is you fglrxgears ?
[19:03] <jc0694> still poor... 30 fps at full screen
[19:03] <BluesKaj> jc0694, the ati hd driver is a kernel source driver which xorg may or may not list
[19:04] <jc0694> other's say they get like 10 times that...
[19:04] <BluesKaj> jc0694, ok download and install synaptics package manager , sudo aptitude install synaptic
[19:04] <jc0694> i just wonder if it downloaded the 64bit version of the radeon drivers... it never really specified if the driver was 64 or 32
[19:05] <BluesKaj> jc0694, you don't need to specifiy , you sources.list uses the 64 bit repos
[19:05] <sahk0> any idea?
[19:06] <jc0694> so don't install synaptic through kpackagekit?
[19:06] <BluesKaj> no
[19:06] <jc0694> BluesKaj: ok...
[19:06] <BluesKaj> use the commandline for installing
[19:07] <sahk0> ah one other thing, does kubuntu have anything like the computer janitor to clean up obsolete packages like ubuntu?
[19:07] <sahk0> i think its called that
[19:07] <BluesKaj> sahk0, sudo aptitude autoclean
[19:07] <sahk0> let me see,thanks
[19:08] <sahk0> kpackagekit doesnt find it
[19:08] <sahk0> oh right
[19:08] <jc0694> BluesKaj: is synaptic a software management tool like kpackagekit?
[19:08] <sahk0> thats a command. heh
[19:09] <sahk0> not a package
[19:09] <sahk0> :)
[19:09] <BluesKaj> jc0694, yes but it isn't as flaky ...now open synaptic and look for ati x1200 in the search , see what's listed as installed there
[19:10] <BluesKaj> yes sahk0 , it's acommand
[19:10] <sahk0> does anyone else know why although i have changed my preffered shell to zsh, when i start GNU screen it starts bash?
[19:10] <jc0694> BluesKaj: should i reboot after synaptic install?
[19:11] <BluesKaj> sahk0, dunno why you would use zsh instead of bash
[19:11] <BluesKaj> jc0694, no , not necessary ,,,this isn't windows
[19:11] <sahk0> BluesKaj: that doesnt answer my question...
[19:11] <BluesKaj> sahk0, sorry don't know
[19:13] <markus__> excellent. I moved the google calender plasmoid too far down and when I touched the kicker line it disappeared. now I have 2 arrows in that line which do not do anything.... buuuuugggggyyyy
[19:14] <jc0694> BluesKaj: do u want screenshot?
[19:15] <BluesKaj> jc0694, what is listed as installed...the greenbox indicates installed apps
[19:15] <genii> sahk0: likely your .screenrc specifies bash or so
[19:16] <jc0694> dark green box on left hand side right?  xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd is showing as installed
[19:16] <jc0694> installed version is 1.2.4-2
[19:17] <jc0694> but i also see other display drivers instlalled... could that be a problem
[19:17] <jc0694> i can post link to screenshot
[19:17] <BluesKaj> jc0694, ok screenshot
[19:18] <sahk0> genii: no it doesnt. ive been using it for years never had a problem with it
[19:19] <markus__> martijn_: cannot find them there
[19:21] <jc0694> BluesKaj: http://imagebin.ca/view/RhrZ-X.html
[19:24] <brmassa> guys, after installing/enabling strigi+nepomuk, how can i make the actual searches?
[19:24] <brmassa> is there a plasma widger to be added?
[19:27] <markus__> martijn_: found it on kde-look.org :-)
[19:27] <jc0694> BluesKaj: so what do u think?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> jc0694, remove the mach64 and the r128
[19:29] <BluesKaj> then reboot
[19:31] <jc0694> it's warning that removing those will affect other packages... proceed?
[19:32] <jc0694> BluesKaj: and should i remove or completely remove?
[19:32] <BluesKaj> jc0694, can you list the affected packages in pastebin if it's along list
[19:33] <BluesKaj> we need to be careful here
[19:33] <x_link> Hi!
[19:33] <x_link> Has somebody else than me noticed any problems with the outgoing internettraffic with Hardy+
[19:33] <x_link> ?
[19:33] <x_link> I have some problems sending files with my Hardy-installation.
[19:33] <x_link> It works good with 9.10 etc.
[19:34] <x_link> First it totaly stopped working, so I re-installed and now it works better. But still it doesn't work as good as with 9.10
[19:34] <jc0694> BluesKaj: both are dependant on the following packages:  xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-ati
[19:36] <BluesKaj> jc0694, I think we can remove those
[19:36] <jc0694> BluesKaj: i have option to "remove" or "completely remove"  which should i select?
[19:36] <BluesKaj> just remove
[19:37] <BluesKaj> that leaves the config files behind which you might need for another install in the future
[19:37] <robinking623> what kinds of firewall should I use under Kubuntu?
[19:38] <jc0694> ok... they show in red along with the dependancies... now what?
[19:38] <robinking623> maybe antivirus also?
[19:38] <BluesKaj> !firewall | robinking623
[19:38] <BluesKaj> robinking623, if you are a home user , you probly don't need one
[19:39] <robinking623> BluesKaj: you mean it is safe enough?
[19:39] <BluesKaj> yes
[19:39] <robinking623> BluesKaj: and no antivirus?
[19:39] <BluesKaj> linux isn't vulnerable like windows
[19:40] <BluesKaj> !antivirus
[19:40] <robinking623> BluesKaj: I know, but there is still something trojan......
[19:40] <jc0694> BluesKaj: ok... they show in red (along with the dependant packages)... what now?
[19:41] <llutz> robinking623: make sure to run only services you really need, configure them as restrictive as possible, use "/dev/brain" ;)
[19:42] <jc0694> BluesKaj: should i restart?
[19:42] <BluesKaj> robinking623, your windows partitions or networked windows pcs might be vulnerable, but if they are protected by their own FW then you should be ok
[19:42] <robinking623> llutz: ok, just be naked
[19:42] <x_link> Is somebody here using Kubuntu 8.04 Hardy?
[19:42] <BluesKaj> jc , click on the green checkmark at the top of synaptic
[19:43] <jc0694> BluesKaj: ok
[19:43] <Nete> Hello, Every time I search in the File Manager the nepomuksearch dies unexpectedly.
[19:43] <robinking623> BluesKaj: thanks
[19:44] <jc0694> BluesKaj: ok.. they're gone
[19:44] <llutz> robinking623: linux-system have other problems, firewalls/virusscan won't help. most of them are user-made, like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1349678 . tools like rkhunter etc may help a bit, but at least _you_ have to be careful and to know what you are doing to keep your system safe.
[19:45] <BluesKaj> jc0694, ok is the radeonhd driver still there in the list
[19:45] <jc0694> BluesKaj: yes
[19:45] <robinking623> llutz: you mean the permission level? ok I know
[19:46] <BluesKaj> good , do a reboot then check  fglrxgears
[19:46] <jc0694> BluesKaj: is fglrxgears the same thing as glxgears?
[19:47] <BluesKaj> no , it's a 3d version , with a 6 sided cube which rotates with the gears on each face ...it's pretty cool actaullY
[19:49] <BluesKaj> oops , he left too soon
[19:49] <jb0694> BluesKaj: i'm here on my other pc... i'm jb0694 instead of jc0694 hahahaha
[19:50] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:54] <jc0694> BluesKaj: can't get fglrxgears to run by typing at prompt... i can run glxgears and it's still no good ~28 fps at full screen
[19:54] <BluesKaj> well jc0694 , I'm sorry ..can't think of anything else atm
[19:56] <jc0694> BluesKaj: could the correct drivers be installed and that's just the best an x1200 can do with glxgears... it's just that everybody else gets way faster fps...
[19:56] <Guest9350> hello comrades
[19:57] <BluesKaj> jc0694, it depends on your card . if others using the same card are gettigng faster fps then there is definitely a problem
[19:58] <jc0694> BluesKaj: ya... they are... like 10x faster (~300 fps)... it's a really simple 2d animation... it should do much better... well thanks for all your help though
[19:59] <BluesKaj> jc0694, there is one thing you can do ...remove all the othe ati stuff listed in synaptic except the diver you just installed
[20:00] <BluesKaj> dunno why there's so much bagage with ati cards
[20:00] <jc0694> BluesKaj: ok... i'll try that tonite...
[20:09] <BluesKaj> errnads to do ...bbl
[20:11] <Guest64034> hi i've problems with kde4.4 compositing and fglrx
[20:11] <Guest64034> fglrx is enabeld and running, direct rendering yes
[20:11] <Guest64034> but kde systemsettings says compositing is not available
[20:12] <Guest64034> maybe i need any extensions/options in my xorg.conf?
[20:13] <Guest64034> my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m6a5dd548
[20:16] <toxygeneb> hi folks. can anyone help please? in system setting when trying to edit details on the password & user account section i get the error "your admin has disallowed changing your image".  how do i give myself permission?
[20:18] <barberb> you ther toxy?
[20:20] <georg> do you know an alternative to amarok2?
[20:20] <chashall> i like rythmbox, i think its a bit easier
[20:20] <georg> rythmbox: gtk :(
[20:20] <chashall> ?
[20:21] <badipod> Banshee?
[20:21] <georg> Banshee: gtk
[20:21] <badipod> Oh it has to be a qt app?
[20:21] <chashall> also songbird but it a bit resource heavy
[20:21] <maco> vlc?
[20:21] <badipod> Amarok1.4
[20:21] <maco> vlc is qt
[20:21] <chashall> hi maco
[20:22] <georg> vlc is to small
[20:22] <georg> i migrated from amarok1 (backport) to amarok2
[20:23] <georg> to find out that it is quite useless with really big collections
[20:23] <georg> and even ugly
[20:23] <badipod> Then migrate back
[20:23] <chashall> i have a 70g collection and it took near 3 hours for amarok2 to scan it
[20:24] <badipod> :o
[20:24] <georg> amarok1 is going to get old
[20:24] <georg> cover download does not work anymore
[20:24] <georg> bugs with dcop
[20:24] <badipod> I don't understand why you won't use a gtk app
[20:25] <badipod> If you want to be this picky, don't expec many alternatives to turn up
[20:25] <georg> i am currently testing exaile and rythmbox in  virtual machines
[20:25] <chashall> could someone guide me to instructions to make kmail decrypt gpg mail?
[20:26] <georg> but i thought maybe i am missing something , so why don't ask
[20:26] <badipod> Sec
[20:27] <badipod> Well you might try Juk as well
[20:27] <badipod> But idk
[20:32] <georg> chashall: did you already setup gpg
[20:33] <chashall> georg, no i exported my key from my mint install and am now trying to get it into this kubuntu install
[20:33] <chashall> i am unsure on the process
[20:34] <chashall> i double clicked the .asc key and now kmail ask's for pass phrase but doesnt decrypt the mail
[20:36] <chashall> when i do gpg --list-keys
[20:36] <chashall>  it gives me errors in lines 243 and 244, i am a bit olost
[20:38] <georg> i'm not an expert myself but I don't think it is a kmail problem
[20:39] <chashall> i believe that to be an accurate assesment, i just dont know where to start, google for once is being confusing
[20:41] <chashall> i sued passwords and encryption tool in ubuntu to create the key, then exported it, i guess what i need to know is how to import it into this enviroment
[20:42] <zaqs> hi
[20:42] <EricInBNE> how do i re-enable system shutdown from K Menu? Mine disappeared.
[20:43] <georg> did you try to import it with kgpg
[20:43] <georg> ?
[20:44] <zaqs> EricInBNE: do you use kdm ?
[20:44] <EricInBNE> zaqs, i think so
[20:44] <EricInBNE> i have autologin so i dont usually see my DM
[20:45] <chashall> kgpg doesnt seem to want to start properly, i flashes on the screen for a few seconds then exits, not sure what to do, i just dont want to break things fussing around, ill give it one more go
[20:45] <zaqs> Ok, then i dont no, sorry
[20:45] <EricInBNE> zaqs, why if I have gdm that is a known issue?
[20:46] <chashall> well it showed up on task bar for 7 seconds then went away, hmm
[20:46] <EricInBNE> pretty sure the option jsut disappeared one day for me after an apt-update
[20:46] <EricInBNE> logging out brb
[20:46] <zaqs> EricInBNE: yes, lets use kdm!
[20:46] <ToxinPowe__> EricInBNE: its a know issue, if you have gdm+KDE yes
[20:47] <ToxinPowe__> with KDM works fine
[20:48] <EricInBNE> yep im running gdm
[20:48] <zaqs> :)
[20:48] <EricInBNE> how do i change that.
[20:49] <zaqs> vim /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[20:49] <chashall> georg, ill try uninstalling and re-installing it maybe it has a hitch
[20:49] <ToxinPowe__> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[20:49] <zaqs> and write kdm path
[20:49] <chashall> you triggered a thought thank you
[20:57] <chashall> can anyone help me troubleshoot gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/shane/.gnupg/gpg.conf
[20:59] <jc0694> what is the best c programming language package available to download for free?
[20:59] <Pici> chashall: chmod 600 /home/shane/.gnupg/gpg.conf
[20:59] <badipod> jc0694: Huh?
[20:59] <georg> chshall: ls -la /home/shane/.gnupg/gpg.conf
[20:59] <badipod> A text editor + gcc works well
[21:00] <jc0694> gcc? can i download that from synaptic?
[21:00] <georg> badipod: don't forget ld
[21:00] <ToxinPowe__> xD
[21:00] <badipod> jc0694: You probably alread have it
[21:00] <badipod> Not sure though
[21:00] <georg> jc0694: what do you want to do?
[21:01] <jc0694> need to start writing c programs for school... essentially all i need is a compiler
[21:01] <badipod> Yeah, text editor + gcc + ld
[21:01] <jc0694> what is ld?
[21:02] <badipod> For linking libs in and stuff iirc
[21:02] <Pici> !compile
[21:02] <Pici> !ide
[21:02] <badipod> ah, ubottu
[21:02] <georg> jc0694: ld is a linker
[21:02] <badipod> XD
[21:02] <Pici> ubottu: thanks
[21:02] <babalu> hello, in some folders, i can't do 'cat *', how can i correct that? "cat: invalid option -- 'N' Try `cat --help' for more information."
[21:03] <jc0694> ya it says gcc is installed in synaptic... how do i run gcc?
[21:03] <badipod> Open a terminal and type gcc
[21:03] <georg> gcc helloworld.c -o helloworld
[21:03]  * badipod nods
[21:04] <jc0694> does the gcc have a debugger in it too?
[21:04] <badipod> No
[21:04] <georg> the tool is called gdb and sucks
[21:04] <badipod> You can use gdb
[21:05] <badipod> Aw gdb's not that bad
[21:05] <jc0694> is that it... gdb is the only compiler/debugger that's free?
[21:06] <georg> i you had to to use visual studio with c#  and come back to gdb...
[21:06] <badipod> I don't know of any other debuggers
[21:07] <georg> gdb is the only linux debugger i know too, but there are frontends (ddd, insight)
[21:07] <jc0694> synaptic says gdb is installed... just type gdb at prompt to open?
[21:07] <badipod> gdb programname
[21:07] <georg> you may need to add debug information during compile
[21:07] <badipod> Oh yeah
[21:08] <georg> i think you need to pass  -g to gcc
[21:08] <badipod> Add -g to the end of your gcc foobar.c ... line
[21:08] <jc0694> i just want to start with a blank screen in the debugger and i will code as i go... can i do it this way?
[21:09] <jc0694> for now i just want to open the gui to get a feel for the menu and layout
[21:09] <georg> the way is: write code, compile it, execute it
[21:09] <georg> if execution fails you may debug
[21:10] <georg> for all steps you need different programs (or use an ide like eclipse cdt)
[21:12] <chashall> does anyone have knowledge and time to trouble shoot why kgpg will not run on my system?
[21:14] <jc0694> is there anything like visual MS visual C++ but for linux?
[21:14] <jc0694> that's what i'm looking for... where the editor/compiler/debugger are all wrapped into 1 gui interface
[21:15] <jc0694> hello?
[21:16] <georg>  where the editor/compiler/debugger: this thing is called ide (integrated development environment)
[21:18] <chashall> ls
[21:18] <chashall> mt sorry
[21:18] <chashall> ls -al
[21:18] <chashall> dang
[21:19] <jc0694> right... i'm a noob at this forgive me... so GCC does not have an IDEE correct... but GDB does right?
[21:20] <markus__> jc0694: kdevelop?
[21:20] <zaqs> jc0694: qtcreator ?
[21:21] <jc0694> i really want to learn to use GCC but i need something with an integrated development environement (IDE)... so you are saying that GDB does have an IDE correct?
[21:21] <baddog> no
[21:21] <baddog> gdb doesn't have an IDE
[21:22] <Peace-> Hola :)
[21:22] <jc0694> so what does have an IDE for linux?
[21:22] <baddog> Eclipse
[21:22] <zaqs> qtcreator
[21:22] <baddog> KDevelop
[21:22] <zaqs> :)
[21:23] <jc0694> what's the best one for a noob but also one i won't grow out of too quickly?
[21:23] <markus__> I started to use kdevelop lately and it rocks!
[21:24] <markus__> has everything you need
[21:24] <NeKit> Installer don't see any partitions, what can be cause of this?
[21:24] <jc0694> does KDevelop support fortran... it would be nice to have an IDE that can support either fortran or C... is that possible?
[21:25] <markus__> now you want fortran????
[21:25] <baddog> o_O
[21:25] <jc0694> i may have to code in either language... welcome to the world of computational geophysics/applied mathematicss hahahahaha
[21:25] <markus__> no and it can't pl/1 :-(((((
[21:25] <markus__> and no cobol... sorry
[21:26] <baddog> http://www.kdevelop.org/mediawiki/index.php/How_to_use_Intel_fortran_compiler
[21:26] <baddog> There you go
[21:28] <jc0694> markus__: does kdevelop support fortran and C?
[21:30] <baddog> yes
[21:32] <jc0694> baddog: i'm downloading it now through synaptic... it's just the one called "kproject" right... everything should be included w/ that package
[21:32] <baddog> er
[21:33] <jc0694> *kdevelop
[21:33] <baddog> yrah
[21:33] <baddog> yeah*
[21:33] <baddog> ;)
[21:33] <jc0694> ... not kproject... i mean kdevelop
[21:33] <baddog> mmm
[21:33] <ToxinPowe__> Kdevelop uses C, and for python?
[21:34] <baddog> eh?
[21:34] <ToxinPowe__> is there any "IDE" for python?
[21:34] <ToxinPowe__> just curious :s
[21:34] <baddog> there's IDLE I think
[21:35] <ToxinPowe__> ok
[21:35] <baddog> Or maybe I have the name wrong
[21:35] <baddog> http://eric-ide.python-projects.org/
[21:35] <ToxinPowe__> IDLE is the Python IDE built with the tkinter GUI toolkit.
[21:35] <ToxinPowe__> thx
[21:35] <baddog> oh there you go
[21:35] <baddog> :
[21:35] <baddog> :P
[21:41] <jc0694> guys... just want to say a big thanks for all the help
[21:41] <jc0694> are u all paid to do this or you help everybody here out of the goodness of your heart?
[21:41] <babalu> how can i resintall kate using apt-get so that the indenters and highlighting files get reset?
[21:42] <baddog> jc0694, no pa
[21:42] <baddog> pay*
[21:42] <baddog> :P
[21:42] <baddog> babalu, just apt-get remove doesn't work?
[21:42] <baddog> You could try apt-get purge
[21:42] <markus__> For me its just the love of linux. And I receive a lot of help too
[21:42] <ToxinPowe__> cd .kde/share/apps and delete kate folder?
[21:43] <jc0694> wow...
[21:44] <babalu> ToxinPowe__: but the files that are used, are they in .kde/share/apps, or in /usr/share/apps, or in /usr/kde4/share/apps?
[21:44] <baddog> there's not much in ~/.kde/share/apps
[21:44] <baddog> I think you should just do a purge
[21:44] <baddog> apt-get purge kate
[21:45] <baddog> That should remove more or less all traces of kate from your system
[21:46] <babalu> ok thanks
[21:48] <jc0694> one more question for somebody... i'm trying to get a program to run from my kmenu.  i can run this program fine by typing "./matlab" but can't seem to get this to work from the kmenu... any ideas?
[21:49] <babalu> jc0694: why don't you run it using krunner?
[21:52] <jc0694> babalu: i was hoping to add it to kmenu by right clicking on kicker --> menu editor --> new item.  i've set this up and i even have the icon showing but it won't run... i can only get matlab to execute when i'm in the right diretory and typing "./matlab"
[21:53] <jc0694> but for some reason typing the path to the launcher in the menu editor fails
[21:55] <pucko-> jc0694: you need to run it as matlab -desktop (or something like that)
[21:55] <pucko-> do a matlab --help to check
[21:56] <pucko-> yep, "matlab -desktop" works.
[22:02] <jc0694> so if the launcher is located in /usr/bin/matlab/bin/ then in would type:  /usr/bin/matlab/bin/"matlab -desktop" as the command under the general tab in the menu editor to launch it from kmenu?
[22:03] <jc0694> i shouldn't need to select any advanced options should i?
[22:06] <pucko-> jc0694: just lose the quotation marks
[22:06] <jc0694> pucko-: that's what funny, i don't get an error and matlab appears to run but then it just disappears... i can only get it to run from a konsole window... even if i use dolphin and find the executable and click on it, it will only act like it's going to launch but won't launch
[22:08] <jc0694> pucko-: i saw on the advanced options that you can run in a terminal... would that work?
[22:08] <pucko-> try run it in krunner (alt+f2). matlab -desktop makes it start when not run from a terminal
[22:08] <pucko-> jc0694, yes, but you get an ugly terminal
[22:08] <jc0694> ugly terminal?
[22:09] <pucko-> run from terminal just means it opens a terminal and runs a command in it. but you don't want it to open a terminal, right?
[22:10] <jc0694> does the same thing... appears to run... the matlab icon starts to run in the tray below, but then it just exits and stops running.  same thing happens any other way except why i physically open a konsole, change directory to launcher and type "./matlab" that's the only way matlab will launch (and stay launched)
[22:11] <pucko-> ok. i think I know what's wrong
[22:13] <pucko-> you probably just need to quote it.. so: "/usr/local/matlab/bin/matlab -desktop" (or whereever your matlab binary is)
[22:13] <jc0694> hmmm ok.. let me try
[22:17] <kubian> did u specify in advance the work path?
[22:19] <jc0694> ok... that's what i'm confused about... i haven't specified anything in the work path... only put the full path and filename in the command space under the general tab.  do i need to specify a work path?
[22:19] <chashall> is there a way to export my secret gpg key and public to one file and then import them into another linux installation
[22:19] <kubian> worth trying
[22:20] <pucko-> jc0694: not really. but you could probably set it to your home-dir or something like that.
[22:20] <pucko-> or just leave it
[22:25] <jc0694> i'm really confused with the menu editor... when i completely delete everything from the command input box and save it, then go and launch it from the kmenu, it still opens up matlab in the system tray... i would expect it to give an error since i have deleted the path to the launcher????
[22:26] <kubian> jc0694: set the work path to where you run ./matlab
[22:26] <kubian> you should save the cganges
[22:26] <kubian> changes
[22:29] <jc0694> do changes made to the menu editor go into effect immediately?  i've completely deleted all paths to the launcher in the menu editor but when i go to kmenu and lauch the icon i created days ago it still seems to know where the launcher is because matlab launches in the system tray (but then closes)
[22:31] <jc0694> but like i said, i completely deleted all references to the path of the launcher in the menu editor???
[22:37] <iconmefisto> you could try running in a terminal: kbuildsycoca4
[22:38] <jc0694> iconmefisto: what that comment for me?
[22:38] <iconmefisto> kbuildsycoca4 will (re)build the kde system configuration cache
[22:38] <iconmefisto> jc0694: yes
[22:39] <aperson> what is /usr/lib/silicon and why might it be taking up 34% of my cpu?
[22:39] <iconmefisto> sometimes changes to the menu take a while to show up
[22:40] <comedit> is it not 34% of your cup since it is silicone ?
[22:40] <comedit> instead of cpu :
[22:40] <jc0694> ok... hmmmmmmmm... i know that if i change the name it will shop up immediately... but when i change the path, it doesn't seem to see it... i'll try what you say
[22:41] <comedit> now serious i have had a crash with my mail somehow
[22:42] <comedit> luckily Ibackup each night
[22:42] <comedit> but when I try to resore my dimap folder the following happens
[22:42] <babalu> how can i use setxkbmap so that alt gr + e gives the letter f (that would be helpful for someone who has no more letter 'f' on his keyboard)
[22:43] <comedit> all the diffrent folder dissapear as soon as kontacts starts (litterly see them being deleted when I look in dolphin
[22:43] <comedit> once kontact starts
[22:44] <comedit> now I thought maybe restoring the complte .kde folder might do the trick but i don't feel confident in doing this
[22:44] <jc0694> that just makes no sense... why would matlab only be able to be launched by typing "./matlab"?  it's almost like it can only be launched from konsole. if a program can only be launched from konsole would it ever be possible to try and get it to run from the kmenu?
[22:45] <comedit> can anybody give me advice on this
[22:50] <iconmefisto> comedit: advice on what? restoring the .kde folder from a backup?
[22:54] <user1> amarok asks for kde wallet. how to make amarok ignore it for ever?
[22:56] <iconmefisto> user1: you could disable kwallet altogether, from systemsettings
[23:00] <chashall> is there a way to reset task bar, i have inadvertantly deleted it
[23:00] <user1> iconmefisto:  thx
[23:02] <iconmefisto> chashall: right-click desktop, add panel (make sure widgets are not locked)
[23:03] <thoeger> Goodmorning channel... have a problem with K/Ubuntu (Ubuntu with Kubuntu-desktop installed)... When I mount my iPod Nano in Dolphin, it shows up fine in both gnome- and KDE-based players - but I cannot write to device. Playing music from it goes fine. Any idea what can be up?
[23:04] <eeos> hi there .... what is the deault SIP phone for kde on kubuntu? twinkle does not appear to work properly anymore, and kopete does not have support for SIP
[23:04] <eeos> kde434 on kubuntu 910 64 bit
[23:04] <maco> im not actually sure we have one...
[23:04] <maco> i thought kopete did sip though
[23:04] <maco> isnt msn sip?
[23:06] <eeos> maco: I do not know anything about msn
[23:07] <maco> i thought msn's voice chat thingy was the sip protocol so any client that can do msn voice could do sip (and i think kopete does both yahoo and msn voice)
[23:07] <eeos> maco: I know it does yahoo ....
[23:08] <maco> im actually a pidgin user, so i'm talking "i think i heard before..." not "i've personally used..."
[23:08] <eeos> maco: it seem strange it does not do SIP .... since it is the most important standard for business audio communication out there ....
[23:08] <eeos> maco: ok .... is pidgin better than kopete?
[23:08] <iconmefisto> !info kphone
[23:08] <maco> iconmefisto: oooh you're helpful :)
[23:08] <iconmefisto> is kphone kde3?
[23:08] <eeos> iconmefisto: kphone has not been maintained for two geological eras .... at least
[23:09] <maco> yes
[23:09] <maco> depends on qt3
[23:09] <maco> pidgin is a gtk app. it doesnt do sip either though. it does jingle, ie. jabber's a/v extensions like used for google chat
[23:09] <maco> (so does empathy, which is gnome's IM client)
[23:10] <maco> ive only used empathy and skype for voice/video
[23:10] <eeos> maco: so the only real alternative here is ekiga?
[23:11] <maco> or wengophone
[23:11] <maco> wengophone is qt
[23:11] <maco> and sip
[23:11] <maco> i think it has a new name, but i forget
[23:12] <maco> remember that you have to do "fun" things to firewalls to make sip work that you dont need to do for jingle or skype
[23:12] <eeos> maco: qute .... but again, development seems to have stopped
[23:12] <maco> stopped or just continued under a new name?
[23:12] <iconmefisto> qutecom is the new name for wengophone
[23:12] <eeos> maco: well, tiwnkle used to work pretty well without any problem .... you just use NAT
[23:13] <maco> http://www.qutecom.org/
[23:13] <maco> er i thought it was you just *dont* use NAT
[23:13] <maco> NAT is what gets in the way. have to set up a bunch of port forwarding and such to talk to people who arent on your LAN. blah. i got wengophone to work once and ekiga to work never
[23:13] <eeos> maco: why?
[23:14] <maco> because if you're behind a NAT i cant connect to your machine for SIP?
[23:14] <maco> unless you setup your NAT to forward that port number to your machine
[23:14] <eeos> maco: I got eveything to work fine using NAT ....ekiga, twinkle, skype .... you name it
[23:14] <maco> were you and the other person on the same lan?
[23:15] <maco> skype does special things to bypass NAT
[23:15] <eeos> maco: why do you want to use any virtual communication tool with someone in your room?
[23:15] <eeos> maco: we use those tool commercially ....
[23:15] <eeos> maco: s/tool/tools
[23:15] <maco> heh you can be in dfferent rooms on the same lan ... could be someone down the hall or something
[23:15] <eeos> maco: to talk to customers across Europe .... and suppliers across the world
[23:15] <maco> wow
[23:16] <maco> computer-to-computer? or computer-to-POTS?
[23:16] <eeos> maco: never had any problem  .... but after the last round of updates to 910 twinkle stopped working alltogether .... and substantial problems with audio
[23:16] <maco> now i want to know how the heck you got sip to work without port forwarding
[23:17] <eeos> maco: do you have a phone number?
[23:18] <maco> for sip? no
[23:18] <maco> i was trying to call one sip account to another
[23:18] <eeos> maco: no, any phone number that can be called
[23:18] <maco> and my computer would try to reach my friend's computer, and itd hit my friend's router, and since it was a nat, itd stop my computer from connecting to my friend's computer
[23:18] <maco> ok i never tried using sip-to-pots
[23:19] <maco> i was talking about computer-to-computer calling
[23:19] <maco> no physical phones involved, my-nat'd-computer to his-nat'd-computer. that fails.
[23:19] <eeos> maco: well, it works the same way really .... but audio may be worse some time .... dpeends on quality of lines between points
[23:20] <maco> (and is the reason i cant wait for ipv4 to gtfo so we can get all that ipv6 end-to-end loveliness!)
[23:22] <SJr> How do I change what applications load on startup, I want to get rid of knetworkmanager, and go with nm-applet
[23:23] <Empty_foo> !usb
[23:23] <iconmefisto> SJr: if you install nm-applet I think that will remove knetworkmanager anyway
[23:23] <SJr> nope
[23:24] <SJr> they are both there
[23:24] <SJr> and I'd like to change the startup
[23:26] <eeos> maco: not having a working stable SIP is a big hole
[23:26] <maco> write one?
[23:27] <maco> i dont have access to change the seeds, and if i did, if there's nothing for me to mark as "include in default install" on the seeds, that doesnt help anyway
[23:27] <iconmefisto> SJr: try editing /usr/share/autostart/kde4-knetworkmanager-autostart.desktop
[23:27] <SJr> Thanks
[23:28] <SJr> And if I want something run when my network comes up
[23:30] <iconmefisto> SJr: in systemsettings, advanced tab, there is autostart. or you could create a script and put it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[23:30] <SJr> Yeah I figured that one out thanks :)
[23:38] <eeos> maco: no of course, but the point is that is somehting very important missing if we want to make kubuntu usable to business users as well ....
[23:40] <eeos> wow http://vimeo.com/groups/beyondthestill/