[00:01] RiotingPacifist: what Ubuntu version? [00:09] hggdh, karmic but the bug comes from either a ppa kde or a ppa xorg [00:12] RiotingPacifist: please check the PPA for instructions on how to report bugs. Usually PPA bugs will be rejected INVALID unless they come from an, er, official group [00:13] for example, for my PPA you should email me directly [00:13] (but I do not deal with X/KDE, right now only coreutils) [00:15] the kubuntu-beta-PPA has a small but apparently active bug tracker, if its an X problem then the xorg is current enough i can go straight to upstream [00:17] there you go, then. But it does sounds like a bug indeed [00:17] i want to be sure im not filing it in the wrong place though, i've assumed it's kdm because startx ran fine, but i dunno [00:19] RiotingPacifist: sounds reasonable to me [00:23] hggdh: thx for the advice, have a nice day [00:23] RiotingPacifist: welcome [00:28] * micahg wishes we could disable comments on certain bugs [00:28] mind giving me the #? Just for fun? [00:28] bug 410959 [00:28] Launchpad bug 410959 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Firefox 3.6" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410959 [00:29] bug 314668 [00:29] Launchpad bug 314668 in baltix "[needs-packaging] Thunderbird 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314668 [00:29] nothing anyone that's posting says will make it go faster [00:30] heh [00:30] LOL [00:30] * BUGabundo poor micahg [00:30] at least these are not the HUGE me-too thingies [00:30] yep, we've got those too [00:30] ahah [00:31] I remember the time I was subbed to NM bugs [00:31] urg === micahg1 is now known as micahg [02:28] is there a debugging symbols package for dragon player [kde] [02:32] fujimitsu: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/k/kdemultimedia/ [02:33] nice [02:33] kpackagekit doesnt list any of that [02:35] fujimitsu: did you add the ddebs to your sources.list? [02:35] i guess thats it === asac_ is now known as asac === micahg1 is now known as micahg [07:18] hey guys, i am interested in becoming involved with bug triaging [07:18] where do you want me? [07:18] i have some time on my hands, and am in cst (-6) time [07:18] i am usually available in mornings and evenings [07:44] !triaging [07:44] Factoid 'triaging' not found [07:45] !topic | coyo [07:45] coyo: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [07:45] coyo: all the necessary links are in the topic :) [07:46] vish: thanks >.> [07:46] np.. [07:46] i already opened all links in /topic [07:46] but thanks [07:46] it's unusual someone other than me are so nice to newbies, i appreciate it [07:46] * coyo reads diligently [10:50] seb128: FYI https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/509079 [10:50] Launchpad bug 509079 in nautilus "nautilus has tabs on bottom" [Undecided,New] [10:51] it's not a bug [10:51] :( [10:51] its not ? [10:51] I've not open the url but the title is clear [10:51] no [10:51] upstream decided it would be clearer this way [10:51] to not have toolbar, url bar, tabs, etc stacked [10:51] well, from user POV its not [10:51] they disagree [10:52] I know [10:52] you can't say what users prefer or not [10:52] they always do... :( [10:52] and user suffer [10:52] you need studies for that [10:52] not random claims because you don't like a change [10:52] well, how about *every* other up ? [10:52] *app [10:52] I've work to do sorry [10:52] gonna change firefox, chromium, gedit too? [10:52] I'm not wanting to start that troll with you [10:52] I'm not the one who decided [10:53] I know [10:53] not trying to troll seb128 [10:53] so don't try to argue with me [10:53] its not my agenda [10:53] I don't care either way I don't use tabs [10:53] ahah [10:53] I'm just telling you they did it on purpose for your information [10:53] you should join #nautilus on irc.gnome.org [10:53] and talk to alex [10:53] or send a mail on their list [10:59] thanks seb128. will do [12:17] hey [12:25] morning kamusin [12:28] hey pedro_ ! [12:28] hiho pedro_ [12:29] hello BlackZ [12:32] today is a good day :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:45] please mark this 'won't fix' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/331406 [13:45] Launchpad bug 331406 in empathy "Add "account view"" [Wishlist,Triaged] [13:47] om26er, i'll mark it as such if you add the comment explaining why ;-) [13:47] ok [13:50] pedro_, now [13:51] om26er, done [13:51] hello hggdh [13:52] hi pedro_ [14:48] please mark this triaged https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/509160 [14:48] Launchpad bug 509160 in empathy "/join fails to work on the latest version of empathy" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:51] om26er__: Done. [14:51] jpds, thanx [15:11] please make this triaged/wishlist https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/498596 [15:11] Launchpad bug 498596 in empathy "empathy fails to ask for "want to see status" after adding new ICQ users" [Undecided,New] [15:11] Boo [15:16] foo [15:18] duh [15:20] seb128: Are you working on bug 507975, or shall I move it to Triaged and assign the Canonical DX team? [15:20] Launchpad bug 507975 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507975 [15:20] It was the bug with the crash because of the AppIndicator integration. [15:20] I'm working on it [15:20] or will work on it [15:21] I didn't start yet [15:21] OK, shall I then assign you and mark it as Triaged still? [15:22] hum [15:22] I can do that if you want [15:22] seems that bug bothers you ;-) [15:22] nah, just its status ;) statistics! [15:23] qense, done [15:23] seb128: thanks [17:18] On karmic alphas, whenever an app crashed, i'd have the option of retrieving and/or submitting tracebacks. That doesn't seem to work in karmic. I've tried enabling apport in /etc/default/apport, and running 'sudo start apport', but i don't get anything, Thoughts? [17:19] atrus: did you do sudo service start apport? [17:20] micahg: stop: unrecognized service [17:20] 'sudo start apport' says 'start: Job is already running: apport' [17:20] the server edition doesn't come with apport installed, I think [17:21] apport is definitely installed [17:21] micahg: sorry, the 'unrecognized service' is true with start or stop. [17:21] apt-cache policy apport says 'Installed: 1.9.3-0ubuntu4.2' [17:22] atrus: that's karmic... [17:22] micahg: he said karmic [17:22] right. [17:22] atrus: yeah, that's the right version with the fix [17:22] fix? [17:22] do you have a 1 in /etc/default/apport? [17:22] Why are you using karmic 9.10 alpha? [17:23] micahg: "enabled=1", yes. [17:23] nm [17:23] please mark this wishlist https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/498596 [17:23] Launchpad bug 498596 in empathy "empathy fails to ask for "want to see status" after adding new ICQ users" [Undecided,New] [17:23] charlie-tca__: i'm not. i used to, but upgrading to karmic broke the bug catching. :) [17:23] atrus: it should work [17:23] yup, along with other things that installing new let work again. [17:24] hmm. [17:24] i shouldn't need to reboot, should i? [17:24] atrus: no [17:24] * charlie-tca__ thinks "even better, upgrading to lucid..." [17:25] hm. have to restart a login session perhaps? logout/login, or start another processes somewhere? [17:25] atrus: is the init file there? [17:25] I can't think of any other reson why it should say 'unrecognized service' [17:25] yofel: the init file is obsolete, it's a wrapper for the upstart job. [17:25] er [17:26] /etc/init/apport exists, yes. that's why 'sudo start apport' runs successfully. (not sure what the difference between 'sudo start apport' and 'sudo service start apport' is...) [17:26] atrus: well, do you have /etc/init/apport.conf or /etc/init.d/apport (dunno anymore what karmic uses) [17:26] okay... [17:26] /etc/init.d/apport is the wrapper. 'service' seems to only work with sysvinit, according to the man page, and not upstart jobs? [17:27] but i'd think that would see the wrapper at least. [17:27] yeah, it should be symlinked to the wrapper [17:27] is there a process that should be running after 'sudo start apport'? [17:28] hrm. "/etc/init.d/apport stop" doesn't do anything. "sudo stop apport" does. [17:28] anyways, that's moving more and more off-topic :) [17:29] atrus: does 'cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern' mention apport? [17:29] |/usr/share/apport/apport %p %s %c [17:30] hm, then apport should be running fine and be called once an application crashes [17:31] hrm. /var/log/apport is actually recording results... now, the executable in question is not in a package at all (as backed up by the log). is a backtrace going to go anywhere, is just be silently deleted by apport? [17:32] it's an executable i built myself, and i assumed apport would at least let me view the backtrace, even if submitting it to launchpad didn't make sense. maybe that was an mistake on my part. [17:34] atrus: for a self-created executable you're better off running gdb yourself [17:35] yofel: yeah.. then i have to enable coredumps, find a core file, load in gdb... it would be much nicer to just handle it all in one place. oh well. [17:36] atrus: uuuh... just run the executable in gdm from the beginning, will slow it down a bit, but when it crashes you just have to type 'bt' to get the trace [17:36] yofel: that would assume I know how to reproduce the crash. [17:36] true [17:36] i mean, i could just run the application in gdb every time i use it for the next few days :) [17:36] apport is just so much simpler. [17:37] okay, yes, apport ignores non-packaged binaries by default [17:38] do you know if it's possible to change that? I didn't see anything in /etc/apport that looked relevant. [17:43] the changelog seems to indicate it should be possible, at least :) [17:44] I'm just looking through the code a bit, seems possbile, but I don't exactly understand how yet [17:44] seems like you need to set it in ~/.config/apport/settings [17:45] given the system-level daemon says 'ignoring' in the log, i wonder if i need a system-level config, although i can't find one other than crashdb, which seems a bit unrelated. [17:45] * montel was thinking of joining the Bug Team [17:45] who should i talk to about that? [17:45] montel: hggdh should be a good person to ask [17:46] 2 hr idle :( [17:46] heh it looks like all you guys have random nicks. [17:46] montel: did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved ? [17:47] * micahg doesn't have a random nick... [17:47] no.. i read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl [17:47] ohai micahg :) [17:47] hggdh's nick is hebrew, and hebrew's got no vowels, so... [17:48] i didn't know that they had no vowels [17:48] interesting [17:49] yofel: i have to run, but ill dig around a bit. thanks muchly yofel, micahg. [17:49] maco: hebrew has vowels, they're just not usually writte :) [17:49] There are vowels, just not in the written language...there's no need for it [17:49] Yep ^^ [17:49] micahg: we're in text, same difference [18:56] ah well. Who was looking for me? [18:58] hggdh, montel - I think [18:59] montel: ping [18:59] thank you, thekorn [18:59] hggdh, no problemo [19:11] crimsun, do you think you could take a look at bug 469831? [19:11] Launchpad bug 469831 in pulseaudio "No sound except when headphones are plugged in - Ubuntu 9.10 - Lenovo 3000 N100" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/469831 [19:11] I have forgotten about it and the OR just pinged me about it [19:12] it is one of those odd ones where plugging the headphones into the computer causes sound to play over the speakers [19:15] yofel: did you get any sense of what the file format of ~/.config/apport/settings is supposed to be? [19:16] i keep getting MissingSectionHeaderError, and I can't find any documentation about the file. [19:22] yofel: by chance, i tried '[main]\nunpackaged=True' and it worked. huzzah. thanks again! [19:23] :) [19:32] hggdh: pong [19:32] hmm , is Bug #446657 really a bug in gnome-bluetooth? or is it a bug due to the kernel not remembering the killswitch state? [19:32] montel: hi, what can I do for you? [19:32] Launchpad bug 446657 in gnome-bluetooth "gnome-bluetooth should store user-selected bluetooth on/off status and apply it when loading the applet" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446657 [19:33] hggdh: i was interested in joining the team. i have triaged a few bugs, with #389322 being most memorable [19:34] bug 389322 [19:34] Launchpad bug 389322 in pidgin "Yahoo server authentication changed: Pidgin =<2.5.6 will not connect to Yahoo! servers." [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389322 [19:34] montel: there are two different teams -- busquad and bug-control. Which of the two? [19:35] so, what's the gui session component that responds to apport events? [19:36] Oh, emm. [19:37] hggdh: what would you recommend? [19:38] montel: well, eventually you should graduate to bug-control. The only (important) difference between both is that b-control member can set a bug to triaged, and change Importance. [19:39] montel: I see you have been working a lot with pidgin [19:39] Yes hggh. [19:40] oh, i'm already a member of the bug squad. [19:40] heh. You missed a 'd' on my nick ;-) [19:41] strange.. i did tab complete [19:41] Or maybe i didnt. lol [19:41] montel: I can only find about 20 actions on bugs, about 13 this year [19:42] I would personally like to see more bug activity before you apply for bug-control [19:42] hggdh: that was because the only way I could get on the internet was the library. Now, i have a 3G modem so i'm on all day. [19:43] cool. [19:43] So I guess i'll just work on some more :) [19:44] hggdh: how many do the average users have of bug control? [19:44] if anyone thinks Bug #446657 is a gnome-bluetooth bug > could you set it to triaged [19:44] Launchpad bug 446657 in gnome-bluetooth "gnome-bluetooth should store user-selected bluetooth on/off status and apply it when loading the applet" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446657 [19:45] montel: difficult to say, but certainly more than 20 bugs... We usually look at the five bugs you are expected to give us as example of work you did, and sometimes we search for others [19:45] can someone help me file a bug [19:45] tyranos: in which package? [19:45] montel: but -- right now -- I cannot see enough work to ascertain you know what you are doing, or not [19:46] tyranos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs [19:46] tyranos: or rather what is the problem? :) [19:46] thx guys [19:46] vish: what importance for 446657? [19:46] hggdh: I totally understand. [19:46] thanks. [19:46] montel: also -- being present here -- and asking questions if you have a doubt, and helping out others -- counts a lot [19:46] vish, in hwinfo , sudo hwinfo --framebuffer crashed my laptop [19:47] just like what you did ;-) [19:47] * montel adds #ubuntu-bugs to auto join list [19:47] charlie-tca__: I'm not really sure of that bug... it looks more like a kernel issue... i want someone to have a look at it.. its been sent as a gnome-bluetooth bug :S [19:47] montel: :-) thank you. I will be happy to +1 you when you show more work. [19:47] sent upstream* [19:48] Looks like a wishlist, but it has been sent upstream [19:48] :) [19:48] montel the link u sent me is for apps with gui i guess [19:48] tyranos: no, not really. [19:48] tyranos: you could do 'ubuntu-bug hwinfo' [19:49] that'll generate a bug report also [19:49] thx that is coo [19:49] l [19:49] gnome-bluetooth should be able to remember the status, I would think [19:49] should i do it on the same computer that crashed [19:50] hum. But tyranos is right, the page gives emphasys to graphical (even when showing 'ubuntu-bug'). [19:50] charlie-tca__: ok , thanks for checking.. :) i was confused since i'v reported a similar issue ;) > Bug #503286 [19:50] Launchpad bug 503286 in linux "Bluetooth killswitch does not remember previous session state" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503286 [19:51] tyranos: yes [19:51] vish: done [19:51] tyranos: ideally yes, unless you are 100% sure they have the exact same packages and hardware [19:51] (which, BTW, I never am sure of) [19:54] Launchpad is so slow for me :( [19:54] thx god they dont have same hardware , the laptop is a samsung r60 + , this laptop is a linux nightmare , with atheros which is now fixed but still not good enough , and an ati graphix and no more resume since a custom of hardy s kernel , fn-keys broke worst battery life ever :P [19:54] heh [19:56] i have like 4 major problems with that laptop , which i use as a secondary computer [19:57] can i use my ubuntu forum login or should i make a new one for bugs.launchpad [19:58] tyranos: I am not sure (been long ago I started here), but I think you can use it on both places (or it is the fora that allows in to login with OpenId from LP, not sure). [19:59] so... please try ;-) [20:01] turns out i already have but never used it [20:03] so now i m coming to what is bugging me , y do i have to include an attachement , y doesnt ubuntu-bug do that [20:04] if the package you are reporting against has a hook, then it should collect most of the necessary data automagically [20:06] I'm sure there has to be a duplicate of Bug #509305 [20:06] Launchpad bug 509305 in firefox-3.5 "UBUNTU:FF finds youtube PLUGSIN missing, konqueror works" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509305 [20:07] * micahg was going to look at that later, but since you asked montel [20:07] i just got this error in launchpad" Oops! ,Sorry somethin just went wrong in launchpad we've recorded what happened .............) [20:07] lol [20:08] micahg: :] [20:08] montel: user has swfdec-mozilla and adobe-flashplugin installed [20:08] probably removing swfdec will work [20:08] what's swf-dec? [20:08] !info swfdec-mozilla > montel [20:09] montel: its a Free flash plugin (instead of adobe's) [20:09] thx for the help guys , but you should work on making bug reporting easier [20:09] good enough for youtube, not so good for things like flash games [20:09] ah. i was thinking of Gnash [20:09] montel: just another one [20:09] mhmm. [20:10] tyranos: any suggestions? :) [sometimes we get used to old ways] [20:10] tyranos: welcome, and we do listen :-) [20:11] i ve been using ubuntu since 2006 and never filed a bug , well i have to , ill be back later and make some suggestions [20:11] i have to go [20:12] heh i filed my first bug report after like a month...and then it turned out to be pebkac and i was wasting seb128's time, though i did get him nice & confused when grep didn't return what he expected :P [20:12] micahg: How did you find out that he had swf-dec installed? [20:13] * montel has to go [20:13] tyranos: the launchpad error with "we've recorded what happened" doesnt meanthe bug was filed... :( did you try again and file bug? [20:13] montel: FF has an apport hook which attached several files, the one called profile_default_pluginreg.dat.txt has the plugin information [20:17] vish, hggdh, well that is what pisses me off the bugreporting tool is buggy itself (nothing is perfect but this should be a priority ) , i normaly try to fix things myself and contribute if i can but never filed a bug , however finaly today i made it here to this chat and when i comeback later i ll finish what i started and report like 5 bugs that are really bugging me ,and many thx [20:17] tyranos: the bug reporting tool wasnt the problem , launchpad site , seems to have had a temporary problem [20:18] tyranos: a bit of bad luck with launchpad, I would say. Please do not that ruin your day. [20:20] no guys , im cool it is just this frustration , and maybe i can help making reporting bugs easier, cya later [20:20] tyranos: thank you, and hope you can back later [20:30] is there a way to search the bugwatches and find if the bug watch exists in an other lp bug? [20:30] user found upstream bgo for Bug #387846 , but seb has closed the bug as a dup.. [i cant find dup ] [20:30] Launchpad bug 387846 in nautilus "Nautilus moves icons around when loading image thumbnails" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387846 [20:34] vish: this was listed in one of the upstream bugs: bug 401840 [20:34] Launchpad bug 401840 in nautilus "View of files scrolls up when thumbnails are being created" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401840 [20:36] micahg: hehe , i didnt think of checking the upstream dups.. ;) aweome ,thanks :) [20:36] awesome* [20:37] vish: one the LP -> upstream interaction gets going again, maybe LP can push it's bug #s upstream to b.g.o like it does to b.m.o [20:37] s/it's/its/ [20:38] * vish wonders what's the progress on that bug... checks liferea for bug# ;) [20:40] Bug #506158 still in progress :( [20:40] Launchpad bug 506158 in malone "checkwatches hammers the remote server when asking for changed bugs" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506158 [20:52] well, at least they are looking at it [20:52] * hggdh now knows why bugzilla.gnome.org is sooo slow sometimes ;-) [20:54] ;) [20:55] * vish hopes they prioritize Bug #414401 higher :) ... getting tired of subscribing folks who hit-n-run bugs [20:55] Launchpad bug 414401 in malone "Automatically subscribe users to bug mail when they post a comment" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/414401