[10:28] <BUGabundo_remote> mornign
[10:29] <asac> hi
[10:41]  * BUGabundo_remote wonders if I can persuade fta to do a sporadic build of ChromiumOS
[10:46] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, ins't someone else already doing that?
[10:47] <fta> as some canonical people are involved in this project, they probably have what's needed to build images
[10:47] <BUGabundo_remote> no idea fta. if so, please point me to him/het
[10:48] <fta> asac, ^^
[10:49] <asac> TBD
[11:15] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, ^^ does that help?
[11:15] <fta> lol
[11:17] <BUGabundo_remote> nickles
[11:17] <BUGabundo_remote> :(
[11:23] <fta> asac, metacity?
[11:31] <fta> http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/lg-display-announces-19-inch-flexible-e-paper-display-15-01-2010/
[12:06] <fta> gasp, the chromium new tab page is now themed, it's ugly with DarkRoom
[12:09]  * BUGabundo_remote uses its own GTK and Ch theme
[12:16] <[reed]> asac: "system-myspell"? that's really out of date
[12:17] <[reed]> it's hunspell now for quite a while
[12:17] <[reed]> system-hunspell, etc.
[12:18] <asac> [reed]: where did you pick that?
[12:18] <asac> in the commit i just made?
[12:18] <[reed]> yeah
[12:19] <asac> thats ffox 3.5 branch still ;9
[12:19] <asac> i think that worked there
[12:19] <asac> but i will double check
[12:19] <[reed]> we've been using hunspell since 3.0, I think
[12:19] <[reed]> quite a while
[12:19] <asac> yeah. i think its just an alias
[12:19] <[reed]> it's not
[12:19] <[reed]> I checked
[12:19] <asac> configure wise
[12:20] <asac> ok. i will see. its now disabled anyway by default ;)
[12:20] <asac> guess there is no info about the new release channel policy yet?
[12:21] <[reed]> no, let me poke beltzner about that later today
[12:21] <[reed]> I just don't think stuff has been completely decided
[12:21] <[reed]> mainly focused on getting 3.6 out the door
[12:22] <[reed]> which is happening Very Soon Now(tm)
[12:22] <asac> yeah. i would just love to move to the new package names now that i am doing this
[12:22] <asac> like firefox firefox-next firefox-dev firefox-daily ;) .... or whatever.
[12:22] <asac> but i already explained that, so i stop the noise now ;)
[12:23] <asac> e.g. my firefox-3.6 upload to lucid is kinda blocked on that info
[12:23] <asac> dont want to introduce another new package if thats going away anywa
[12:23] <asac> yy
[12:26] <[reed]> when does lucid ship?
[12:26] <[reed]> April?
[12:26] <[reed]> 3.6 will still be around then, I'm fairly sure
[12:27] <asac>  no... thats not it
[12:28] <asac> we want to move to new package names, otherwise we have to add transitional packages all the time
[12:28] <asac> so we want to have the current firefox always be firefox
[12:28] <asac> but we still want to ship packages that can be installed side by side for all the branches
[12:28] <asac> but if those branches are not like "dev etc" channel
[12:29] <asac> the best thing we can do to describe them is by version
[12:29] <asac> i just hoped you go to a release channel approach and lurked that somewhere
[12:29] <asac> thats why i am waiting to understnad that and avoid another versioned upload ;)
[12:30] <[reed]> Lorentz is weird
[12:30] <[reed]> I'll try to collect all your thoughts you've sent me
[12:30] <[reed]> and talk to beltzner
[12:51] <fta> ok, that's it. i'm sick of those metacity restarts. i'll push it to my own ppa as i did for karmic :(
[13:40] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: getting reports of broken Ch daily
[13:41] <asac> one daily didnt build
[13:41] <asac> todays should be there again
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: getting reports of broken Ch daily
[13:43] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, ? what's the problem(s)?
[13:43] <fta> wfm
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> co-worker says it crashes
[13:44] <BUGabundo_remote> asking for logs/tarces
[13:44] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: constant snaps
[13:44] <BUGabundo_remote> on several pages
[15:48] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, got more info?
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> nope
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> he just went to use Chrome, instead
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> :(
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> wfm too in lucid fully updated
[16:20] <fta> well, nothing i can do then
[16:31] <BUGabundo_remote> well debian aint exactly your target distro either :D
[16:44] <fta> imho, that branding thing is a disaster
[16:48] <asac> which branding thing
[16:49] <asac> ?
[16:49] <fta> chrome vs chromium
[16:54] <BUGabundo_remote> ehe
[16:54] <BUGabundo_remote> specially since chromuim is the code name for the source too
[16:54] <BUGabundo_remote> and the OS :P
[16:57] <fta> not that, more that the heavily marketed name is Chrome, it's everywhere
[16:57] <asac> fta: you are not alone ;)
[16:57] <asac> but be happy that its not names chrome
[16:57] <fta> Chromium is nowhere
[16:57] <asac> named
[16:58] <BUGabundo_remote> asac: like firefox chrome stylesheats ? eheh
[16:58] <BUGabundo_remote> *sheets
[17:13] <fta> as if we were shipping ff3.5 as shiretoko instead of firefox
[17:13] <fta> no one would have a clue of what it is, and jump to upstream binaries
[17:13] <micahg> fta: we already did that and got an earful for it
[17:13] <fta> that's exactly what happens with chromium, only a few tech people know what it is
[17:14] <micahg> just the branding even
[17:14] <fta> micahg, nope, i'm talking about package name, not just the branding
[17:14] <micahg> right, which should be even worse
[17:28] <Nikratio> Is it a known bug that thunderbird-3.0 shows only the English dictionary in the Spell menu, even if other hunspell or myspell languages are installed?
[17:29]  * micahg can see the issue
[17:30] <micahg> Nikratio: please file a bug and tag ppa
[17:30] <micahg> in thunderbird package
[17:30] <Nikratio> On which package?
[17:30] <Nikratio> will do
[17:30] <micahg> Nikratio: thanks
[17:33] <Nikratio> Can I mark it as confirmed?
[17:39] <Nikratio> (will do, please revert if wrong. Bug #509248)
[19:58] <clamiam> Q: is installing firefox 3.6 from yall's PPA pretty straightforward?  When I mark 3.6 to install in synaptic, it looks like most of the old packages are going to stick around...is this a problem?
[19:59] <micahg> clamiam: they are meant to be run side by sid
[19:59] <clamiam> ah
[20:05] <clamiam> oh sorry, i should've said thanks :)
[20:05] <micahg> clamiam: np
[22:49] <BUGabundo> fta: chromium is really broken
[22:49] <BUGabundo> every single page snaps
[22:49] <fta> ?
[22:50] <fta> still wfm, it's my primary (and only) browser now
[22:50] <fta> version? url?
[22:50] <BUGabundo> how can I run it in debug mode?
[22:50] <BUGabundo> greader , http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2010/01/maneater-will-this-do.html, identica
[22:50] <BUGabundo> etc
[22:51] <fta> wfm
[22:51] <BUGabundo> stop saying tat
[22:51] <BUGabundo> I get it
[22:51] <BUGabundo> but it doesn't for everyone else
[22:51] <BUGabundo> and I'm trying to debug it
[22:51] <BUGabundo> so mind proving a way to do it ?
[22:52] <fta> a french guy seems to have the same problem, he gave a (nice) link; http://hq-models.blogspot.com/
[22:52] <fta> but it wfm too
[22:52] <fta> so i can't reproduce
[22:52] <BUGabundo> snap
[22:52] <BUGabundo> tehre
[22:53] <fta> try with a fresh profile: chromium-browser --user-data-dir=/tmp/foo1 --disk-cache-dir=/tmp/foo2
[22:54] <BUGabundo> working so far
[22:55] <BUGabundo> if I close and start my regular profile, I get it back
[23:07] <BUGabundo> [reed]: will it ever be possible to open more then on Firefox process??
[23:07] <fta> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/01/why-microsoft-isnt-working-on-silverlight-64-bit.ars
[23:08] <BUGabundo> [reed]: I have one window open at another X by the same user (remote connected by FreeNX) and trying to open a new FF in this X, and fails :(
[23:08] <fta> BUGabundo, electrolysis
[23:08] <BUGabundo> fta: ?
[23:08] <fta> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Content_Processes
[23:09] <BUGabundo> " nobody uses 64-bit browsers."
[23:09] <BUGabundo> LIES LIES LIES
[23:09] <BUGabundo> I use it daily
[23:09] <BUGabundo> and I'm somebody
[23:12] <fta> but you are 0.0000000001% of the market ;)
[23:13] <BUGabundo> I'm responsible for at least 6 browsers :D
[23:13] <BUGabundo> s/browsers/machines/
[23:13] <BUGabundo> fta: since you like stats so much, how many of *buntu users runs 64 vs 32?
[23:14] <fta> not much
[23:14] <fta> about 10%
[23:15] <BUGabundo> really?
[23:15] <fta> ubuntu doesn't even provide 64bit CDs anymore
[23:15] <BUGabundo> I was expecting >40%
[23:15] <BUGabundo> yeah, that's a big failure :(
[23:17] <fta> http://www.osnews.com/story/22754/France_Joins_Germany_Warning_Against_Internet_Explorer
[23:17] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:17] <BUGabundo> read it
[23:17] <BUGabundo> fta: if 64bits and linux is soooooo small, why is Apple making a 64bits plugin ?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> touché
[23:18] <sebner> we need more bloated software -> more ram -> more 64bit user ;)
[23:18] <sebner> BUGabundo: apple generally migrated OS X to 64 bit
[23:18] <BUGabundo> s/apple/adobe/
[23:19] <BUGabundo> memory Fail
[23:19] <sebner> heh
[23:20] <fta> BUGabundo, "Flash, arguably the most important plugin for day-to-day browsing, doesn't have any 64-bit support except for an alpha Linux version released in November 2008."
[23:21] <fta> hardly a really support for 64bit
[23:21] <fta> real
[23:28] <fta> chromium-browser                 27491   1.94%      4409   16362    6713       7
[23:28] <fta> google-chrome-beta               24130   1.70%     15844    2621    5652      13
[23:28] <fta> google-chrome-unstable           21038   1.49%      4857   13075    3084      22
[23:29] <fta> so most users of unstable installed the beta and ended up with both
[23:29] <fta> but if those stats are correct, google-chrome-beta has more regular users than chromium-browser
[23:30] <fta> 15844 >> 4409
[23:30] <fta> but 4409+16362 > 15844+2621
[23:37] <fta> BUGabundo, http://blog.hexxeh.net/
[23:37] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:38] <BUGabundo> but I don't trust _strange_ devs
[23:38] <BUGabundo> with my data and HW
[23:38] <BUGabundo> I already trust *you* too much
[23:39] <BUGabundo> but I'm not fanatic enough to run gentoo and compile it all my self, *just* to be sure