[00:22] <happy-dude> op
[00:23] <happy-dude> hiya, is there anyway I can retrieve my IRC Freenode password?
[01:38] <FlyingCow> anyone here familiar with wireshark?
[02:03] <Rascal911> FlyingCow, yeah
[02:05] <FlyingCow> Ok, I'm having trouble getting my card to register with it
[02:05] <FlyingCow> Someone said I need a madwifi driver, but I
[02:05] <FlyingCow> but i'm not familiar with needing it because my wireless just works
[02:53] <binMonkey> hi, guys.  i'm using 9.10 and can't edit menu.lst to fix the shutdown problem.  how do i fix the shutdown problem in 9.10?
[02:56] <binMonkey> is anyone active?
[03:32] <maverick> http://readlist.com/lists/xfce.org/xfce/2/10105.html...anyone?
[04:02] <alviso> I have install xubuntu 9.10 in HD and grub2 to MBR. at now, I want clear grub2 from MBR, How to do it ? oh, I have not floppy and CD-ROM, so that.
[05:17] <hyperhacker> ehm, something has just gone horribly wrong with ecryptfs... my home directory seems to have gone back in time
[05:17] <hyperhacker> aside from some settings like my panel position, everything I just spent several hours copying is gone... all back to the way it was after installing
[08:55] <ocs> hi. how can I display the thumbnail of an icon on the desktop ?
[09:39] <marabout> I'd like to install xubuntu on my ubuntu (8.10) I tried via Synaptic but got errors. Can I have the command(s) to do it via the Terminal?
[09:41] <knome> marabout, try "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" in terminal and see if it gives you any error messages
[09:42] <marabout> knome: i seem to have a few other vers of ubuntu according to grub menu on log on. Do I need to delete those prior to doing this
[09:45] <knome> marabout, nope.
[09:51] <marabout> knome: can you tell how I can delete those other versions/partitions as it is a small HD (20gb)
[09:51] <marabout> knome: i have started xubuntu install process already and no errors so far...
[09:58] <knome> marabout, can you be more specific about those versions? are they just versions with different kernel versions?
[09:59] <marabout> knome: I'm running 8.10 currently. on log in at grub I see a couple versions of 8.04 (safe, recovery, etc) that I dont need/use at all
[10:02] <knome> weird.
[10:02] <knome> marabout, can you run them?
[10:02] <Sysi> what is your partitioning like?
[10:03] <marabout> knome: i suppose so. i can try. the xubuntu update has finished. the only errors were 'failed to fetch thunderbird'
[10:04] <marabout> knome: I can restart and then select an 8.04 vers and see what happens
[10:04] <knome> marabout, sure. Sysi might be able to help you better with them after you come back :)
[10:05] <marabout> Sysi: not sure what you mean exactly. the machine is an compaq presario 5000 so it had WIN95/98 on it and i just installed ubuntu over it
[10:05] <Sysi> well, i just thouht that could you possibly have made dualboot by accident
[10:06] <marabout> Sysi: yeah it probably is a dual boot as the grub menu lists WIN95/98 as well as the other ubuntu vers (8.04/8.10)
[10:06] <Sysi> "sudo fdisk -l" or gparted shows your partitions
[10:10] <marabout> Sysi: I see /sda 1,2,5,6,7,8 with 1 being win95 2=Extended 5=Linux 6=Linux swap /Solaris  7=Linux 8=Linux swap /Solaris
[10:11] <Sysi> yeah, seems that you got several ubuntu/linux installations
[10:12] <marabout> Sysi: is there a (safe) way to get rid of them?
[10:12] <Sysi> you can delete overall partitions, it's easy to do with gparted
[10:13] <Sysi> it tells which are currently in use
[10:13] <marabout> Sysi: type in "gparted" into terminal, Yes?
[10:14] <Sysi> but it depends about currently used partitions how hard it's to get entire drive to use
[10:14] <Sysi> it's also in menu
[10:14] <Sysi> "system"
[10:15] <knome> marabout, if you have nothing to lose and you're willing to get rid of all the windows installations as well as the current ubuntu installations, it might just be easier to do a clean install with ubuntu disc and partition the disc correctly in the installation phase
[10:16] <Sysi> that would be easiest
[10:16] <Sysi> i actually did reinstall because of that
[10:17] <marabout> Sysi: Wheh. Well let me ask a question taking all this into consideration.
[10:19] <Sysi> you can deal with partitions by livecd and change fstab but that might be a bit coplicated
[10:20] <Sysi> *complicated
[10:20] <marabout> I have compaq presario P3 900mhz 30GB HD 100system bus 256 or 512Ram. (Have children in the house) and some other older desktops. Should I lean more towards Xubuntu, Kubuntu or edubuntu in terms of incorporating the older machines that are available
[10:20] <knome> marabout, xubuntu definitely.
[10:20] <knome> marabout, kubuntu is way more heavy.
[10:20] <marabout> Sysi: there is nothing on the computer beyond OS so erase and install is not a problem (beyond the time it will take)
[10:21] <marabout> knome: ok good to know as I was thinking kubuntu was lighter than (reg) ubuntu
[10:22] <knome> marabout, no, not really. kde (used by kubuntu) takes quite a lot resources than gnome (used by ubuntu).
[10:25] <marabout> knome: hmm, thought i had read the opposite. some pages seemed to indicate kde over gnome for older machines or speed or something like that
[10:25] <knome> marabout, hmm, interesting. if you happen to find those sources, please link me :)
[10:25] <marabout> knome:  but I'm a newbie so I could have just confused the issue
[10:26] <knome> marabout, kde is known to be heavier than gnome. at most it is the same. xfce (what xubuntu uses) is known as the lightweight DE.
[10:30] <marabout> knome: ok i found it. it was a forum post so it was an opinion espoused as opposed to canonical documentation. I'd read so much that i must have blurred the topics - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=345327
[10:31] <marabout> Sysi: if i understand you correctly i can insert liveCD run computer from that and enter some commands to delete unwanted partitions?
[10:34] <knome> marabout, i can't even find a post there that says kubuntu is faster, but w/e ;)
[10:35] <Sysi> marabout: if you're making clean installation, just use "use entire drive" option in partitioning
[10:36] <Sysi> knome: i know some people who say that kubuntu is ligter, or was at least back at the time of 3.5
[10:36] <knome> Sysi, :|
[10:37] <Sysi> i think it's mostly about settings
[10:37] <knome> Sysi, where's the arguments?
[10:37] <marabout> knome:  like I said, i had read so much it all became blurred. so is it safe to say that the reason kubuntu looks so stunningly different is because it uses so much resource to achieve that effect?
[10:37] <knome> marabout, yes, that's mostly becuase.
[10:37] <knome> *because
[10:38] <knome> with modern pc's you barely can feel the difference, if at all. it all comes down tho hardware :)
[10:40] <marabout> knome: what i have here is not necessarily modern. I assume by modern you mean post 2005 or +> 2gHz ?
[10:42] <Sysi> modern means at least dual core
[10:42] <bsulzer> hi ev'ryone. i'd like to find out if my logitech mouse is sending a middle click event to the os, if i press it... does anyone have a suggestion?
[10:43] <marabout> then I am definitely in the stone age
[10:44] <marabout> Sysi: so then I should be leaning towards Xubuntu, Yes. Any version to favor and/or avoid
[10:45] <psycho_oreos> also with video cards/RAM that seems to be a little off the marks
[10:45] <knome> marabout, you rprobably should go with 9.10 if you have 256 or 512.
[10:45] <knome> (ram)
[10:48] <marabout> knome:  i typed 256 or 512 because I may need to sacrifice 256 to put into another machine. i don't necessarily need the latest/greatest vers. I kinda of die-hard mac man but am slowing moving over to Ubuntu and want to set up machines for the children using ubuntu for reasons which are becoming clearer to all of us computer users...
[10:49] <marabout> knome: BTW that xubuntu update that i installed. how do i switch over to it from the Ubuntu that I am running?
[10:49] <knome> marabout, from gdm (the login screen), select xfce session
[10:50] <knome> marabout, you can run the newest version with 256 as well, but it will be a bit slow. older versions would work better, but they are not supported anymore thus i'm still recommending you 9.10
[10:51] <knome> bsulzer, middle click should paste copied text
[10:52] <marabout> knome: hmm didnt see that option but will reboot and try again
[10:52] <knome> marabout, just log out
[10:52] <knome> marabout, and see the login screen where you type your username and password
[10:53] <marabout> knome: ok waiting on the reboot process
[10:56] <marabout> knome: so you mean where it says options click on the' select session'
[10:56] <knome> marabout, yes.
[10:58] <marabout> knome: there are 5 choices besides  "last session" the only which seems remotely close to xfce is "Run Xclient script"
[10:59] <knome> marabout, that's not the correct one. you should do the installation again. but then again, if you anyway need to fiddle with the partitions, just install again.
[10:59] <marabout> knome: others are "Gnome, failsafe gnome, failsafe terminal, secure Remote Terminal"
[11:00] <knome> no, none of those is the correct one. something failed in the installation.
[11:01] <marabout> knome: i'd like to install Xubuntu and scratch the rest. Do you have a link for the xubuntu disc download, though I would prefer to try and do it all from the terminal, i.e. delete older versions, partitions, install xubuntu - but that may not be possible. Again I am a newbie...
[11:01] <bsulzer> knome, ok does this work in all programs?
[11:01] <knome> bsulzer, should, i think
[11:02] <knome> marabout, see http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[11:02] <bsulzer> knome, well it doesnt work at all. where do i have to look?
[11:02] <knome> bsulzer, check applications/xfce menu -> settings -> mouse
[11:02] <knome> bsulzer, ...that actually made little sense :)
[11:03] <knome> bsulzer, let me think ;)
[11:04] <bsulzer> knome, applications -> settings -> mouse is only to switch rightie and leftie and reverse scroll. any other thing i can't configure
[11:04] <knome> bsulzer, which xubuntu version do you have?
[11:04] <bsulzer> karmic
[11:04] <bsulzer> knome, karmic
[11:05] <bsulzer> knome, i read something about evdev, but i'm not sure wether it's overkill to use more than 7 buttons...
[11:05] <marabout> knome: a link on the page you posted lead me to this - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfceintrepid - i assume that since i did not start with xfce/Xubuntu that i cannot use the method described there?
[11:06] <marabout> knome: to get to Xubuntu that is
[11:06] <knome> marabout, you could start with that, but it doesn't remove dual-boot installations.
[11:07] <marabout> knome: ok i'll start there and see Then perhaps you can give me a tip on removing those other versions/partitions if it is possible via terminal
[11:08] <knome> marabout, you'd need live cd for that, as sysi said. i really recommend a clean install if you don't have anything to lose. it would be faster as well.
[11:08] <knome> bsulzer, i have no experience on evdev
[11:09] <bsulzer> knome, well me too
[11:09] <knome> bsulzer, is your /etc/X11/xorg.conf empty or not?
[11:10] <bsulzer> knome, nope, the nvidia driver wrote something in there
[11:10] <marabout> knome: could i do that with a 1gb usb drive or do I need a newer machine to do that type of stuff? - Just trying to avoid dloading and then burning to disc
[11:11] <knome> marabout, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[11:19] <marabout> knome: keeping in mind that xubuntu 9.10 is supported and earlier vers are not. Should i use 9.10 even though desktop mHz is only 900?
[11:20] <homebrewcider> hey there, is there someone that can help please. This is a fresh install of Xubuntu 9.10, my resolution is always set low when I log in as a regular user. When i log in as root, it's always fine @ 1680 x 1050. I have copied my xorg.conf file if someone can please have a look at it and tell me what I'm doing wrong please
[11:22] <knome> marabout, yes, i'd say so.
[11:24] <homebrewcider> http://pastebin.ca/1755859
[11:29] <bsulzer> knome, i just adjusted my xorg.conf file to my mouse
[11:29] <knome> bsulzer, it works?
[11:30] <bsulzer> knome, not yet
[11:30] <bsulzer> knome, i got a 4 button mouse so i did Option "Buttons" "6"
[11:30] <bsulzer> the middle click still doesn't work
[11:31] <bsulzer> the middle click still doesn't work
[11:31] <knome> doesn't it? :)
[11:31] <bsulzer> sry
[11:32] <knome> what do you have in the "Emulate3Buttons" option?
[11:32] <knome> i have "no"
[11:32] <bsulzer> knome, i also adjusted the ZAxisMapping to "5" "6" and emulate3Buttons is "no"
[11:33] <bsulzer> knome, oops, i think i forgot to do the Device option to /dev/input/mice
[11:35] <bsulzer> knome, i have /dev/psaux but it seems to work too. when i do cat /dev/psaux there is also the 'garbage output' when i use the mouse
[11:35] <knome> hmm
[11:36] <knome> even i'd like to be useful, this starts to go beyond my technical limits
[11:36] <bsulzer> knome, well thx anyway
[11:37] <knome> np. good luck!
[11:50] <bsulzer> hello ev'rybody i've got the following problem: i got a 4 (6 with wheel) button mouse and i'd like to get it to work. how do i do that?
[11:51] <bsulzer> for clarification: ev'rything works except the middle click
[11:55] <bsulzer> the 'both button trick' seems to work though
[12:06] <marabout> knome: downloaded a program to create a bootable usb but window is asking for an app to open. What is used for file extraction in Linux/ubuntu?
[12:07] <marabout> knome: it wont self-extract as I tried double-clicking and it only brought up the dialog box
[12:09] <knome> marabout, did you read the tutorial at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick ?
[12:11] <marabout> knome: yes and based on the possibility that the cpu may not be readily bootable from USB i got the program called unetbootin
[12:12] <knome> marabout, did you check if you can boot from usb?
[12:12] <knome> !unetbootin
[12:12] <knome> hmh
[12:19] <marabout> knome:  i chose to use unetbootin so downloaded it but do not know how to open the file, i.e. locate which program is assigned to open programs in linux/ubuntu
[12:34] <Sysi> you can get unetbootin from repositories
[12:38] <monsoongroover> ?
[12:38] <knome> !
[13:57] <hal> good morning
[16:06] <marabout> trying to install 9.10 on a compaq presario 900mhz w/512 ram it has U8.10 but seems to be choking on install. any suggestions?
[16:12] <ablomen> marabout, try the alternate install cd
[16:16] <marabout> ablomen: man, that will be another ubuntu disc floating around... Any hope trying safe graphics mode on the install or is that just a waste of time?
[16:16] <ablomen> you can always try
[16:19] <marabout> ablomen: it appears that the monitor screen is a/the problem, although if I tap the power button i saw a mssg saying something about grmb loader not allowiing install. I'll try & reproduce the message
[16:46] <marabout> i'm having to do safe graphics install on 9.10 due to probs on install. is there a way to download better/correct grpahics drivers after install is finished (Dell Triniton 17" monitor)
[16:52] <charlie-tca__> yes, first try Applications -> Settings -> display
[16:53] <charlie-tca__> Then try Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers
[16:55] <charlie-tca__> If those don't work, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[16:58] <marabout> charlie-tca__: Ok still waiting on installer to finish but will do when that is done. thnx
[16:59] <charlie-tca__> no problem
[16:59] <charlie-tca__> good luck with it
[17:00] <marabout> charlie-tca__:  yeah its a compaq presario 5000 w/900mHz and 256 ram I had ubuntu 8.10 which seemed fine but thought I should drop down to Xubuntu since it (is said to) use(s) less resources
[17:01] <charlie-tca__> It does, which version are you installing?
[17:35] <marabout> charlie-tca__: xubuntu 9.10
[17:41] <marabout> charlie-tca__:  when I went to -> hardware drivers it said " no proprietary drivers are installed on your system"
[17:41] <charlie-tca__> okay
[17:42] <charlie-tca__> then maybe the wiki page will help.
[17:42] <charlie-tca__> That just means your video card should be supported by the kernel. "keyword - should"
[17:52] <marabout> charlie-tca__: ok i have been on the wiki page and will prob need to digest that info a little more. As for updates - the Red arrow at to of window is telling me I need 120+ things. It says ubuntu and not Xubuntu. It iwll not give me non-xubuntu updates will it?
[17:53] <charlie-tca__> If you installed using the Xubuntu installation disk, it will be fine. It needs to update the stuff. Xubuntu is built on Ubuntu, and most items will refer to Ubuntu because of that.
[17:54] <charlie-tca__> The only issue I run into is doing troubleshooting things, because some procedures are Gnome specific, and won't work for us.
[17:56] <marabout> charlie-tca__:  ok thanks. the resolution seems fine though there is a bit of a lag when it boots up which i am assuming is due to graphics. i guess there is no command for finding a driver out there in cyberspace which will play nice with the dell monitor and Xbuntu
[17:58] <charlie-tca__> The graphics are built into the kernel now. If you opened Synaptic Package Manager and searched for "xserver-xorg-video" you would see a bunch of video drivers installed
[18:29] <boogerman> I've heard commentary stating Ubuntu 9.10 suffers from instability issues.  Is this still the case?
[18:30] <charlie-tca__> depends on what you are referring to
[18:30] <boogerman> I'm trying to get my only system up with a persistent OS (using a live CD at the moment), and I don't really want to wait until May for the next LTS version...
[18:32] <charlie-tca__> I run Xubuntu 9.10 using ext3 with no issues, using nvidia 185 video driver
[18:32] <charlie-tca__> It really depends on the hardware, I think.
[18:34] <charlie-tca__> ext4 may still have some issues, which is why I am using ext3
[18:34] <boogerman> That's selectable during a fresh install, right?
[18:34] <charlie-tca__> yes
[18:34] <charlie-tca__> Is there anything specific that you are worried about?
[18:37] <boogerman> Well, not really.  I just don't want the damn thing to go kabloowey after a few hours like this live CD.
[18:37] <boogerman> I lost a lot of data off a flash drive when it crashed recently.
[18:37] <charlie-tca__> Install with ext3, then. If you carry the /home forward, delete the ~/.cache and ~/.config files and set things up again.
[18:38] <charlie-tca__> ah-ha. I lost a hard drive last week, but it may have just been real old
[18:38] <charlie-tca__> (and I was testing lucid with it)
[18:40] <boogerman> I can just partition /home off, right?  I was planning to reformat the rest of it.
[18:41] <charlie-tca__> yes, if it is not it's own partition now, back up first.
[18:41] <boogerman> But of course.
[18:42] <charlie-tca__> Then you can, with effort, try to reformat the rest and keep /home
[18:43] <boogerman> Mkay.  Additionally, I can do a rolling update to Xubuntu 10.04 when it comes out in a few months?
[18:46] <charlie-tca__> yes
[19:40] <TheSheep> wow, I managed to zero all disks on a running linux without it crashing
[19:40] <TheSheep> and I started with the partition on which the dd binary was!
[19:40] <TheSheep> how is that even possible :)
[19:41]  * charlie-tca__ did not think it was possible
[19:44] <TheSheep> I wonder if I can do the same with /proc/memory ;)
[20:36] <gnudiego> Hi everone! Is Xubuntu gonna do well in celeron with 128mb ram?
[20:37] <charlie-tca__> gnudiego: no
[20:37] <charlie-tca__> Not enough ram
[20:38] <charlie-tca__> Even installing from the alternate cd, I don't know if the desktop will start
[20:38] <likemindead> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[20:40] <gnudiego> ok thx! It's there some ubuntu-based distro with that requ's
[20:40] <gnudiego> ?
[20:40] <gnudiego> (or better: my box can run)
[20:40] <gnudiego> ?
[20:40] <likemindead> Maybe CrunchBang Linux.
[20:41] <likemindead> It uses Openbox.
[20:41] <charlie-tca__> or lubuntu might work
[20:42] <likemindead> antiX (MEPIS) is good too, though Debian based, not Ubuntu.
[20:42] <likemindead> It uses Fluxbox.
[20:44] <gnudiego> thx checkin'out
[20:44] <Sysi> lubuntu, if project is "ready"
[20:45] <charlie-tca__> I keep getting told it works good on old hardware? somebody blowing smoke?
[20:47] <Sysi> lubuntu? it flew on my netbook
[20:48]  * likemindead still recommends CrunchBang... ;-)
[20:49] <Sysi> that's also good propably
[20:49] <charlie-tca__> bottom line is that xubuntu with a gui is not going to work good in 128MB ram
[20:51] <gnudiego> I'm checkin out CrunchBang.. and rocks! (at least in the screenshots)
[21:58] <Venim> hey guys, how do i get my gtk version upgraded
[21:58] <Venim> i'm hoping to get like 2.16 or 2.18
[21:59] <TheSheep> !upgrade
[22:00] <TheSheep> !relese
[22:00] <TheSheep> !release
[22:00] <Venim>  uh, that's the OS version
[22:00] <Venim> i couldn't care less about that
[22:00] <TheSheep> gtk is part of the os
[22:00] <TheSheep> you upgrade it all together
[22:00] <Venim> so 9.10 doesn't come with anything higher?
[22:00] <Venim> or perhaps you could tell me the version it comes with
[22:00] <TheSheep> !info gtk
[22:00] <Venim> as i assume it would be current
[22:01] <TheSheep> !info libgtk2
[22:01] <TheSheep> !info libgtk2.0-0
[22:01] <Venim> so ubuntu only does come with 2.0
[22:02] <Venim> ok
[22:02] <TheSheep> 2.18 in karmic
[22:02] <TheSheep> (2.0 is the name of the line)
[22:02] <Venim> o
[22:02] <Venim> hmmm
[22:02] <Venim> !info pygtk
[22:02] <Venim> !info python-gtk2
[22:03] <Venim> hmmm
[22:03] <TheSheep> you can also /msg ubottu
[22:03] <Venim> k
[22:03] <Venim> ok, well i guess i'll go to a different chan
[22:04] <Venim> yeah, i guess that's not the problem
[22:05]  * charlie-tca__ thinks he did not like TheSheep's answer much
[22:06] <TheSheep> can't please everyone
[22:06] <charlie-tca__> heh, probably can't please some anythime
[22:06] <TheSheep> I'm ready to live with this
[22:06] <charlie-tca__> I needed a laugh today!
[22:12] <alonzo_highsmith> can anyone recommend a good terminal pager? What I want to do is set up all my SSH connections to my servers and use a pager to start them.
[22:15] <TheSheep> by pager you don't mean programs like more and less?
[22:16] <alonzo_highsmith> No really what I want is some sort of stacking type launcher. I administer over 100 servers and am looking for a simple way to connect that does not require me all the time to verify the server names
[22:17] <TheSheep> I just put their names in .ssh/config
[22:17] <alonzo_highsmith> Even a boolmark type system would be fine. Too bad the Xubuntu Terminal program does not appear to support bookmarks or favorites for SSH sessions
[22:17] <TheSheep> with keys and sernames
[22:17] <TheSheep> usernames
[22:18] <TheSheep> then I can just type 'ssh alias'
[22:18] <TheSheep> well, you can just add launchers to the panel or on the desktop
[22:18] <TheSheep> or in some directory
[22:19] <TheSheep> just type 'ssh yourserver' as the command and check 'run in terminal'
[22:19] <alonzo_highsmith> that would be fine if I had only a few but he all have non-intuitive and not easily remembered names such as ecartproddb01 or isisuat01
[22:19] <TheSheep> that's why you make aliases
[22:19] <alonzo_highsmith> That launcher idea may be exactly what I am looking for.
[22:20] <alonzo_highsmith> The problem I have is remembering them all. With an alias pressumably I would have to remember the alias I need.
[22:21] <TheSheep> give them meaningful names
[22:21] <alonzo_highsmith> So a list would be the way to go given the large quantity
[22:22] <TheSheep> like 'print' or by the client name
[22:22] <alonzo_highsmith> How I wish I could rename them all. Frankly
[22:22] <TheSheep> you can rename them in your own .ssh/config
[22:22] <alonzo_highsmith> They are just about all Oracle DB or Oracle Clusters. A few reverse invoke servers.
[22:23] <TheSheep> also, consider using a wiki for keeping all the notes, especially if there are more poeple in your team
[22:23] <alonzo_highsmith> Yeah I may have to do that and keep a mini notepad handy of their real FQDN's
[22:24] <TheSheep> you make a page for every server, and put notes about installing things or making backups
[22:24] <alonzo_highsmith> Yeah there are five of us. I am putting a wiki together currently.
[22:24] <TheSheep> keep it messy :)
[22:24] <alonzo_highsmith> You bet! ;-)
[22:24] <TheSheep> if it's too clean, nobody will edit it and it will get outdated fast
[22:24] <alonzo_highsmith> It won't be hard with so many servers
[22:25] <alonzo_highsmith> three fifths of the group are about to retire. Not me unfortunately
[22:25] <TheSheep> brain drain, hurts
[22:26] <alonzo_highsmith> documentation is painfully boring too.
[22:26] <TheSheep> working in pair is a fun way of improving the bus factor
[22:27] <alonzo_highsmith> but I spent many a late night in my career thanking either me or whomever wrote the DR proceedures for a given server.
[22:27] <TheSheep> even when one person nly watches
[22:27] <TheSheep> only*
[22:28] <TheSheep> I have this habit of copy& pasting all more complicated commands into a day log (just a text file)
[22:28] <alonzo_highsmith> Yeah I agree. We seem to keep fairly busy. It is a K-12 school system
[22:28] <alonzo_highsmith> Yeah I learned that from a software developer turned sysadmin and it has saved me more times than I can count
[22:28] <TheSheep> then, when I find myself using some command often, I copy it to another file, with common commands
[22:29] <TheSheep> then you put it on the wiki
[22:29] <alonzo_highsmith> That is something I need to look at too  and throw it on a wiki.
[22:30] <TheSheep> make pages like "find all large files" or "logrotate templates"
[22:34] <alonzo_highsmith> I appreciate the great advice... Thank You!