[00:43] What's up with the ISO there isn't a livecd(x86/amd64) in 5 days http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ [00:43] but there is an DVD from today === ulysses__ is now known as Guest19709 [01:04] verbalshadow: I see both there now, but I see no dvd or alternate cd [01:08] really? they all still look like they're from the 13th to me [01:15] JontheEchidna: good to know i'm not the only one [01:23] okee I need glasses I swear it said 1/18, honest [01:23] * claydoh really does need new glasses btw, broken frame [01:28] eh, I could see how 3 could look like 8 === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [01:33] does being at work on a win-xp desktop help explain that away ? ;) [01:44] OK, Quassel 0.5.2 in Lucid. Karmic SRU up next. [01:57] thanks ScottK :) [01:59] Riddell: does the jaunty upgrade patch in kdebase-workspace need to be kept around? [02:00] JontheEchidna: for network manager stuff? [02:00] Riddell: yeah [02:01] JontheEchidna: I'm current working with aseigo to get the plasma scripting stuff in a working state for us to use for default setup and upgrades [02:01] however that doesn't solve the network manager config file [02:02] are we supporting jaunty -> lucid upgrades? [02:02] JontheEchidna: I think we support Jaunty -> Lucid, so yes. [02:03] ScottK: any reason we should? [02:03] Riddell: I know a significant number of people have problems with the new boot stuff in Kamric. [02:04] I think it's pretty trivial to support, so why not? [02:04] depends if JontheEchidna has a good reason for getting rid of that upgrade script :) [02:04] True. [02:05] it might be nice for some people to not have kdebase-workspace-bin depend on python-kde4 [02:05] some people == gnomies [02:06] it could be made optional, only running if python-kde4 is installed, people who don't have that installed probably don't use knetworkmanager. that doesn't feel terribly elegant somehow [02:06] I'll talk to aseigo and see if he has ideas [02:07] I also wonder what other distros did about this [02:07] I think we may also need to remove obsolete ayatana notification config stuff too [02:07] Riddell: I think didn't ship KNM [02:07] mm, right enough [02:07] knetworkmanager requires pykde? [02:08] no, our config file upgrade script does [02:08] ah :) [02:08] OK, so buildds are broken for Lucid. [02:08] I'd have expected notifications to revert back to the default if ayatana isn't installed [02:09] Gentoo has a USE flag for pykde4, and we do ship KNM [02:09] we don't care about config updates though. [02:09] broken in the "we need to re-up the toolchain" broken? [02:11] JontheEchidna: Yep. [02:11] seems to happen once per cycle [02:11] Broken pkg-binarymangler upload and it diverts dpkg-deb. [02:11] I wonder if that's why I'm getting all these port build failures all of a sudden [02:11] At least quassel failing on all archs isn't my fault. [02:11] Probably [02:12] * Sput hopes it's not his [02:12] Nope. [02:13] Sput: Did anything you committed after http://git.quassel-irc.org/?p=quassel.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac374ec32612798c230d54665f6bce7faf416602 affect the CTCP ignore change? [02:14] f6f67e9fa8012ce2cc is needed to make it not break [02:14] and I'm quite sure you want the other couple fixes too [02:14] the toggle-menubar-in-context-menu is important for users, since we tend to get a lot of questions about how to enable the menubar after accidentally hiding it [02:15] and the other thing is an important fix for netsplits (avoiding phantom users) [02:15] For the post-release update, I need to be very focused. [02:15] I do understand, but the bugs fixed are sorta serious :) [02:16] in any case, f6f67e9fa8012c is part of the ignorelist fix [02:17] OK. [02:17] Thanks. [02:17] np :) [02:17] * Sput embeds [02:17] Anybody an idea how I can get the sound on Karmic for an nVidia Corporation MCP51 AC97 Audio Controller (rev a2) [02:17] working? [02:23] Sput: This one, right: http://git.quassel-irc.org/?p=quassel.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6f67e9fa8012ce2cc45420838fa7469622d454e [02:24] Rats [02:24] ScottK: yes [02:24] Thanks. [02:57] We can save 788 kb livecd-space by shipping the non-default k3b themes in a separate package [02:58] running optimizegraphics on the upstream source saved an additional 32 kb regardless. (committed to svn) === seele_ is now known as seele [03:24] * txwikinger wonders why he is not using LFS since he must patch kernel packages anyway [03:24] txwikinger: more details, please [03:24] txwikinger: meaning, use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh [03:25] note the shebang [03:25] crimsun: I found the problem [03:25] it is the nvidia kernel modules [03:25] they don't build after the kernel is installed because of missing patches [03:26] for sound? are you using nvsound, ossv4.1, or something else? [03:26] or is this a clear case of resource contention at boot? [03:27] I am not sure if it will fix the sound, however, the audio controller is from nvidia [03:27] I don't know which NVidia drivers you're referring to. [03:28] if you're speaking of the "normal" *buntu NVidia drivers, they're graphics [03:28] and have nothing to do with audio [03:28] DKMS [03:29] nvidia-current? that's graphics. [03:29] well.. unfortunately one bug always leads to another [03:29] the audio basically does not find any sound devices [03:30] txwikinger: is this current Kubuntu Lucid? [03:30] No karmix [03:30] No karmic [03:30] txwikinger: ok, then please use that script (or ubuntu-bug alsa-base) [03:30] which script? [03:31] the DKMS is fixed now [03:31] I patched it [03:31] 22:25 < crimsun> txwikinger: meaning, use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh [03:42] apachelogger: kimpanle was in karmic, and its merge into plasma-addons now [03:53] crimsun: http://pastebin.com/d7886b342 [04:16] Back shortly. I'm going to take advantage of the fact that I need to restart my quassel core for the ctcp ignore stuff to do an overdue reboot. === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [04:27] ScottK: is the toolchain being broken the thing that stopped ISO builds? [04:28] verbalshadow: No. That was just package building tonight. [04:28] I think there was a mistake in the cron jobs that has now been fixed. [04:35] jussi01, Sput, al, some quassel expert: I've got the package uploaded for a Karmic post release update. Someone please put instructions on how to enable the CTCP ignores in Bug #509287 [04:35] Launchpad bug 509287 in quassel "[Needs Update] Quassel (Ignorelist adding ctcp ignore)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509287 [04:40] Riddell: Quassel SRU is approved by ubuntu-sru, but I don't feel I should accept it since it's my upload. Over to you. [05:01] Riddell: we made the PC-BSD guys cry because system-config-printer is written in python === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [05:28] txwikinger: do you really need to be running jaunty's kernel in karmic? [05:28] txwikinger: i.e.: Kernel release: 2.6.28-11-generic [05:37] txwikinger: also, there's a possibility you're getting the wrong driver attempted due to a conflicting modalias for snd-intel8x0. Please blacklist snd-intel8x0 and try snd-atiixp. [06:21] morning folks [06:21] any updates on the USB (Udev) situation? [06:53] Riddell: this time I had to plug in my Keyboard 9 (!) times to make it work [06:53] Riddell: please please look into these Udev issues :) [06:53] Riddell: I can't work like this [06:56] markey: use an on-screen keyboard [07:15] Sput: ah, once again, you save the day :) [07:15] that is indeed a good solution [07:15] could also glue a photo of a working desktop on my screen, how about that ;) [08:32] markey++ [08:35] * apachelogger giggles over Sput's creativity [08:35] freeflying: yeah, thx, I archived the upload on revu [08:35] can't be creative before lowering the blood in my caffeine system to acceptable levels [08:37] that is a known limitation in a lot of deployments of homo sapiens sapiens [09:29] hi [09:30] hi ho [09:31] what's shakin' === eviljuss101 is now known as eviljussi01 [11:14] quassel SRU for karmic is accepted. It'll be available for testing soon. [11:15] that explains why I can't find it in the queue [11:16] ScottK: cool will test asap [11:26] http://qt.nokia.com/about/news/nokia-releases-qt-4.6.1 all new [11:28] :O ui [11:28] markey: no progress on the udev front I'm afraid, my e-mails havn't got anywhere :( [11:29] markey: do you know other people with the same issue? === gkmn_zZz is now known as gkmngrgn [11:29] I wonder if an e-mail to ubuntu-devel would help [11:29] hmm qt beta for maemo too sounds good if i only would get my N 900 [11:37] Riddell: hmm yes, ScottK also had issues, I think, and Mamarok sometimes (her USB HDD is not found). also Sebas said something, afair [11:37] Riddell: and then this guy who posted the comment on Ars Technica, but I have no idea who he is [11:38] well, and many bug reports on Launchpad [11:39] Riddell: is this of any use to you? http://mark.kollide.net/ubuntu-bug-udev-output.txt [11:39] crimsun had requested it from me [11:39] not to me personally since I've no idea how udev works but maybe to someone [11:39] trick is finding that someone [11:40] yeah... [11:40] unfortunately, I know next to nothing about Udev [11:41] Riddell: one interesting hint: I heard from an Arch Linux dev who had similar issues. so maybe it affects several distros [11:41] but that's unclear [11:41] it's all so horribly inconsistent, bugs should either exist or not, if the keyboard works on the 10th try that's harder to track down than if it doesn't work at all [11:41] yes... :( [11:41] maybe this only happens with certain problematic BIOSes, or so, hard to tell... [11:41] fabo: ping? [11:41] but I never had these issues before [11:44] danimo: wanting the new Creator packaged? [11:50] Riddell: I am about to do that myself (including Qt), but my PPA size is not sufficient [11:50] Riddell: is there any quick way to increase its size? deletion isn't immediate [11:51] Riddell: we could as well do it in kubuntu-experimential and I will copy it over (so creator only users will not receive a new KDE automatically) [11:51] Riddell: the the space problem remains [11:53] danimo: you need to ask a question on answers.launchpad.net/soyuz then (have me) poke the right person [11:53] danimo: kubuntu-experimential would work yes [11:54] I can copy packages into an archive regardless of size limits [11:54] Riddell: ah, ok [11:54] Riddell: https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/97938 [11:56] Riddell: why can I only upload sources btw? [11:56] Riddell: binary uploads would be way faster, since I can build with -j20 at work [11:57] Riddell: and I have a chroot for karmic 32 bit [11:57] danimo: uploading binaries is horribly unreliable, no way to ensure you compiled it against the packages in the distribution [11:57] Riddell: but it will consider dependant PPAs, right? [11:57] when building yes [11:57] sure [12:01] Riddell: oh, the quota is on the actual PPAs? [12:01] Riddell: upps [12:01] yes [12:01] one work around is just to make a new PPA :) [12:01] Riddell: guessed so :) [12:02] or you could upload it to your qtcreator PPA say [12:02] Riddell: I will do a qt-creator-stable and a qt-creator-nightly PPA for Creator [12:02] Riddell: btw: I was wondering if we should try to build the qt declarative UI branch [12:02] Riddell: (which includes QML) [12:04] danimo: yes I think that would be most interesting to have [12:05] danimo: quota activated [12:06] <_StefanS_> hello [12:08] Riddell: dput tells me the upload already happend, I'll try -f [12:09] danimo: if you got an e-mail saying its rejected you need to upload again [12:09] rm the .upload file to stop dput complaining [12:09] Riddell: -f might do as well :) [12:09] Riddell: seemed to have worked [12:09] * danimo goes for lunch [12:10] <_StefanS_> uhm any idea why kde4.4rc1 on karmic wont let me save the date/time ? I'm not "allowed" it says !?! [12:10] <_StefanS_> even when I'm root.. pretty odd. [12:10] <_StefanS_> but then again thats maybe just unfinished software. [12:10] it's probably a KDE vs polkit issue [12:11] <_StefanS_> can I disable polkit then ? [12:11] hmm, I'm not allowed to in lucid either, that's worrying [12:11] <_StefanS_> I'm in the "admin" group, and still no luck. [12:11] probably an upstream bug then [12:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: uhm, would gnome's stuff interfer (I'm using nm-applet inplace of knetworkmanager) [12:12] Riddell: hi, are you working on Qt 4.6.1 ? [12:13] that wouldn't matter [12:13] Lex79: not currently [12:13] <_StefanS_> hmmm [12:13] _StefanS_: you could try playing with PolicyKit Authorisation in System Settings [12:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I might give that a try [12:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thanks :) [12:15] ok, I will do Qt package today [12:16] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ahhh... the clock thing is in the policy, so I will experiment with that [12:16] Lex79: great, danimo already uploaded them to his PPA ~daniel-molkentin [12:17] _StefanS_: I can't get it to work, the fonts module does seem to work, so I suspect upstream may just be bust [12:19] It's ftbs https://edge.launchpad.net/~daniel-molkentin/+archive/qt/+packages [12:20] btw I will look also at what debian has in their git [12:20] hmm, he didn't update the patches [12:20] yes === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [12:54] Riddell: I thought that was implicit, as well as the source [12:56] Riddell: btw: can we rename qt-x11_4.6.x to qt-everywhere-4.6.x? the packages are no longer plattfrom dependant [13:01] danimo: no that would take us out of sync with Debian and it's not important enough to do that [13:01] so poke fabo politely for that :) [13:03] Riddell: hehe :) [13:05] Riddell: I must have done sth wrong, it did put the diff in the source package, not generating an orig.tar.gz [13:05] danimo: that means you didn't name the .orig correctly, maybe you used a dash instead of an underscore or maybe the version is different than what is in the changelog [13:06] it'll give a warning if you run debuild -S about that === sebas_ is now known as sebas [13:06] Riddell: it did, yes [13:10] Riddell: according to the changelog, it's 4.6.1-1 [13:10] then the .orig should be qt4-x11_4.6.1.orig.tar.gz [13:11] Riddell: does it need to have the correct prefix or will the prefix be ignored? [13:11] (the tar prefix dir I mean) [13:11] danimo: the name of first level directory inside that tar doesn't matter [13:12] Riddell: ah, weird, the source directory has an underscore (qt-x11_4.6.1) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:13] Riddell: is there a policy about that? [13:13] "don't change what upstream has" [13:16] Riddell: looks like upstream always had an inconsistancy, but the _ vs - is sth that dpkg-buildpackage can catch [13:22] Riddell: next attempt [13:22] danimo: what are you changing? [13:22] Riddell: 4.6.0 -> 4.6.1 [13:23] Riddell: look like some patches do not apply any more [13:24] right, they'll need to be updated or removes as appropriate [13:24] Riddell: I know, i [13:24] I'm doing [13:24] Riddell: I know, i'm on it [13:24] uhm :) [13:25] Lex79: ok, ok :) [13:26] Lex79: are you doing new packages anyway? [13:27] danimo: maybe you can start to contribute with some more easy package..... [13:27] danimo: no, I'm doing only Qt package in this moment [13:27] qt 4.6.1 is on it's way? [13:28] freinhard: seems like it :) [13:29] Lex79: I'm not interested in Qt per se, but I need it for Creator 1.3.1 packages [13:29] I see [13:29] Lex79: and for the 1.3.80 (git master) nightly build that I am running [13:30] Lex79: danimo works for Nokia [13:30] Lex79: and I've done that before, it's just a long time :) [13:30] it's just /been/ a long time [13:31] danimo: oh, sorry then :) [13:32] anyone for an short laugh ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 rofl [13:32] Riddell: I thought he was a dev newbie :) hihih [13:33] Lex79: I really want to do this together with you guys though [13:33] Lex79: point is: no need to duplicate work, but there is a need for duplicated repos, since people using my repos usually just want creator and Qt updated, but not KDE, etc [13:37] Lex79: the qdoc3 patch can be dropped entirely btw [13:38] danimo: this? 19_install_qdoc3.diff [13:38] Lex79: yes, ossi and I added the missing install rule [13:39] wow, a hurd patch... [13:39] brave debian packages [13:40] Lex79: 81_hurd_clock_gettime.diff is upstream as well [13:41] ok for 81, but why should we dropped 19_install_qdoc3.diff ? [13:41] Lex79: because the install target for qdoc3 now exists [13:42] ok perfect [13:42] Lex79: see tools/qdoc3/qdoc3.pro [13:43] Lex79: it was my fault. when I made the original patch of making qdco3 public, I forgot the install rule :/ [13:43] :) [13:43] Lex79: why is there a kubuntu specific hack for library handling? why does it differ from debian? [13:44] Lex79: (kubuntu_04_qt_ia32_library_pach.patch) [13:45] danimo: that's for running 32 bit binaries on 64 bit arches [13:46] Riddell: yeah, I wonder why debian doesn't support it [13:47] danimo: well the only problem app is skype and debian probably doesn't care about proprietary software that much [13:47] I don't know of any other case where a 32 bit app would be running on a 64 bit archa and loading plugins [13:48] Riddell: google earth? [13:49] oh aye, maybe [13:49] Riddell: well, that probably doesn't permit repackaging [13:49] Riddell: and the native package ships its own Qt (probably also with patches) [13:49] ah yes [13:54] #kde-devel reminds me that it's RC 2 this week [13:56] Riddell: RC2 before or after Qt 4.6.1? [13:57] we should get 4.6.1 in first [13:58] and given Lex79's usualy speed that shouldn't be a problem [13:58] no problem [14:03] Riddell: is it fine to let ibus daemon run by default? user only need add kimpanel [14:03] freeflying: is there a need for it? [14:04] Riddell to make end uers can benefit from kimpnal easily [14:05] freeflying: you would add a /etc/init script to make it start with upstart? [14:06] Riddell: no, just a im-switch conf [14:06] Riddell: as ibus is in CD [14:07] freeflying: so it would start for everyone or just people with im-switch set to a relevant locale? [14:08] Riddell: I hope there is a workaround to let run according to relevent locale [14:10] freeflying: well fine with me anyway, but have you tested kimpanel recently, does it work? [14:10] freeflying: I note that right clicking on line edits in Qt the menu shows IM as being set to XIM [14:10] so I don't know if Qt needs something changed [14:11] Riddell: yes, kimpanal itself works fine, its just a front end [14:11] Riddell: you need ibus-qt4 [14:12] Lex79: Riddell: now I am curious: what is the phonon update stuff from sandsmark about? [14:12] freeflying: we have that in our seeds although I wonder if language-support-zh should depend on it? [14:12] it looks more like it downgrades versions [14:13] danimo: it should be an upgrade in versions [14:13] and it messes with WIN32 stuff [14:13] -set(PHONON_LIB_VERSION "${PHONON_LIB_MAJOR_VERSION}.4.0") [14:13] +set(PHONON_LIB_PATCH_VERSION "1") [14:13] +set(PHONON_LIB_VERSION "${PHONON_LIB_MAJOR_VERSION}.3.1") [14:13] doesn't looke like an upgrade to me [14:14] mm, indeed [14:14] Riddell: I wonder if we need that patch anyway [14:14] Lex79: would you know? [14:14] danimo: we do, KDE needs that new version of phonon [14:15] the patch is the diff between KDE phonon and Qt phonon, it needs for pulse audio btw [14:15] Lex79: including the version downgrade? interesting... [14:16] Lex79: did you upload 4.6.1 already? my upload was rejected for karmic an hour ago [14:16] or was that my attempt from before which failed? [14:17] nope, I'm refreshing the patches [14:17] Lex79: ah, ok [14:17] Lex79: which repo? [14:17] Riddell: language-support-zh is a dummy package now [14:18] I will upload before to bzr https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/ and after to archive [14:18] freeflying: then language-support-input-zh-hans and equivalent for other relevant locales [14:20] Riddell: that remind me if can we split language-support-input-xx into gnome/kde [14:21] freeflying: is there a need? [14:21] Riddell: fwiw, I think if the debian folks have no holy rule against it, the kubuntu patch should as well go into debian. [14:21] * danimo will ask fabo once he's back [14:21] Riddell: talking with Arne [14:23] danimo: yes I agree, I do forward our diff to them at the start of each cycle but maybe some infuence from yourself would help :) [14:24] Riddell: not sure if I have any authority there as a Nokia employee in that case [14:24] Riddell: but I can try some sweettalking :) [14:24] I mean 32 bit downward compat makes a lot of sense [14:25] Riddell: well, but we still need enable kimpanel plasma-addon according to relevent locales, is there a means? [14:26] Riddell: ubuntu is using language-select to enable ibus, maybe we can do it in language-selector-kde [14:27] freeflying: language-select should set im-switch to turn on ibus surely? [14:28] but then ideally kimpanel should be added to each users setup [14:28] not sure the best way to do that but maybe the plasma scripting stuff would be it [14:29] Riddell: its what have been done in ubuntu [14:31] Riddell: moved that emacs file back to the docs, looks like advocations are gone each time i upload: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/ctemplate [14:32] freinhard: I'll just upload it [14:32] great, thx! [14:42] Riddell: why is Qt flagged as propritary license? [14:42] Riddell: in launchpad [14:42] O_o [14:42] * JontheEchidna has wondered that too [14:43] the whole license info is out of date [14:43] Licensed under GPLv2, GPLv3, LGPLv2 or Propritary is correct [14:44] it says that it was registered by the owner of the ~trolltech team who is Lars Knoll [14:44] so could be his fault [14:44] upps :) [14:44] Riddell: can you add me to the team? I think pinging lars could prove difficult :) [14:45] Riddell: while we are on it, the team should be renamed [14:46] danimo: I can't, only team owner of launchpad admins can do that [14:46] morning JontheEchidna :) [14:46] Riddell: maybe thiago can get a hand on him [14:46] good morning [14:46] danimo: so I think ask a question on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad and I can ping some relevant person again [14:46] s/of/or/ [14:48] Riddell: ok [14:52] kubuntu-members can upload packages relate to kubuntu? [14:52] freeflying: no, that's kubuntu-dev [14:53] Riddell: ok, thankx [15:07] Riddell: workaround is: provide another conffile for im-switch in kdeplasma-addons, modify language-selector-kde to let it pick the new conffile [15:36] * Riddell does the empty new queue dance [15:37] Riddell: kubuntu-notification-helper got promoted to main and is ready for seeding [15:38] JontheEchidna: great, I'll do that [15:38] I still have a todo item to actually test and review it [15:41] Harald was saying something about getting kpackagekit to handle distribution upgrades. I'm a bit dubious about how that would work out. (e.g. supporting update-manager quirks, etc) [15:42] mm, I think that needs to be distro specific [15:42] but I don't think it'd be too hard to make a python helper app to do what update-notifier-kde was doing [15:43] ah, so kubuntu-notification-helper doesn't do distro upgrade notification? [15:43] kubuntu-notification-helper could for example invoke a python helper that runs MetaReleaseCore to check for updates, then run update-manager-kde [15:43] yeah, that's basically the only way it's not complete compared to update-notifier-kde [15:46] Any opinion on the "run a python helper to check for updates and if there are have k-n-h invoke update-manager-kde" approach? [15:49] JontheEchidna: yeah that should work fine [15:49] cool, I'll look into it this week [15:49] just strip out the relevant code from update-notifier-kde [15:50] the other approach could be to strip out the distro upgrade notifier code from adept, but well.. [16:05] Riddell: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/97964 [16:27] My work on Qt is almost finished, I'm waiting new Phonon from sandsmark, he said is doing [16:28] It would be nice if someone would try out the proposed Quassel SRU and comment in Bug #509287 how it does. [16:28] Launchpad bug 509287 in quassel "[Needs Update] Quassel (Ignorelist adding ctcp ignore)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509287 [16:41] ScottK: any special tests needed? "* VERSION PING" as ignore rule? [16:42] neversfelde: Just that it works and there are no regressions. === Pici` is now known as Pici [16:48] Riddell: now that Kopete 4.4 includes the necessary API bits, I turned MI support for Kopete into a standalone plugin: https://launchpad.net/kopete-message-indicator [16:48] Lex79: cool [16:48] and just released a tarball [16:49] agateau: so we can scrap the patches in kdenetwork and use that instead? [16:49] Riddell: yes [16:49] nice === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work === Quintasan1 is now known as Quintasan [17:01] wtf is with my connection === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === flacoste is now known as flacoste_lunch [18:27] We got a +1 from kees on kcm-touchpad: bug 508824 [18:27] Launchpad bug 508824 in kcm-touchpad "[MIR] kcm-touchpad" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/508824 === flacoste_lunch is now known as flacoste === ulysses is now known as ulysses__ === ulysses__ is now known as ulysses === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [19:08] http://www.osnews.com/story/22751/Distro_Here_There_But_Nary_a_Good_KDE_4_Distro_Anywhere_ [19:09] no one ever spells out specifically what is "wrong", and then the bashing begins [19:11] * claydoh is so glad we don't have too many distro bashers in the Kubuntu world [19:11] me are far too nice and good-looking for that [19:19] claydoh: me? or rather we? [19:20] you just forgot to inclide a bunch of people there :) [19:21] Mamarok: we of course, my vision is not holding up well due to the lack of eyglasses atm [19:21] oh, lost your spectacles? ;) [19:21] broken [19:22] should get a new set soon, a couple of weeks at worst [19:23] and I will also get a second pair as a backup :) [19:24] a couple of weeks? Why does this take so long? [19:24] oh yes, a second pair is always a good idea [19:24] * Mamarok kept all her pairs since 20 years or so in case of emergency [19:25] even if those are not exactly perfect anymore [19:25] my work just added eyecare to my insurance, jut waiting for the card/information [19:26] I can't afford the full exam fees and glasses till the end of the month so I am waiting [19:27] I can't find my last pair of glasses, i usually save them [19:27] my eyes aren't terrible, slight astigmatism [19:37] sweet, it works: kded(2571) DistUpgradeEvent::show: No upgrade available [19:43] just need to add command line args to the releasechecker python script and we'll be golden [19:45] Riddell: pushed initial dist-upgrade support to https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-notification-helper/trunk [19:50] I'll be back in a bit [20:10] hmmm ctcp ignore works :) === ggorgen is now known as gkmngrgn [21:16] nixternal for the powah! [21:17] nixternal everywhere(tm) ;-) [21:17] nixternal: congrats! [21:17] what are we congrats'ing him for? [21:18] his new found powahs [21:18] * Lure would be happy to have at least half the energy of nixternal ;-) [21:18] JontheEchidna: DMB [21:18] oo, congrats nixternal [21:27] hey nixternal i thought you weren't getting involved in ubuntu politics again :) [21:49] Hi, any one facing a problem with locales and utf8 and filenames appear as ??? or garbage? [21:50] I am using lucid [23:13] thanks JontheEchidna [23:33] nixternal: Congratulations [23:38] thanks neversfelde === maco changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Lucid Alpha 2 Released! | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Oustanding merges: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~lucas/merges.html | Kubuntu Meeting Thursday 20:00