[00:08] hi guys, anyone here have an android phone and have succesfully run gmoteserver on their install? [00:30] anybody here have an x1200 gfx card? [00:32] !anyone [00:32] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [00:35] i can't figure out why glxgears is giving bad frame rates... i'd like somebody to look at my xorg.conf file and tell me if it looks ok... mine looks awfully short compared to some people [00:37] jc0694: what chip/driver do u use? [00:37] x1200 [00:38] jc0694: i dont know x1200 who is the vendor of the chip? nvidia/ati/intel/... [00:39] ati [00:39] radeon [00:40] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ? [00:59] howdy all, I've got Kubuntu 9.10 installed and I'm finding the gtk2 apps all have bigger fonts than the kde ones. Is there any way to change this? Keep in mind, I've been all over the menus and settings (yes I found the settings for gtk fonts). [01:00] it seems like half the font types in gnome apps under kde look just right, but things like pop up menus are about 30% larger [01:01] I've also found what appears to be the best solution: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502925#c24 ... however, I have no idea where the fonts are in kubuntu??? [01:02] gconftool-2 -t float --set 96 [01:03] i have just installed ubuntu... i have 4 monitors and don't know how to get them all to work... any suggestions [01:04] newuser: 4 monitors on one machine? SWEET! [01:05] newuser: what happens when you right click on the desktop background? Is there a spot for graphics settings? [01:05] newuser: I think I can help you for kde, but I forgot for gnome [01:06] its my first time installing this... i have it on my laptop but decided to put it on my desktop... now only one monitor works with it [01:06] should i switch to kde [01:06] is that what i have to do? [01:06] in windows it works fine... but trying to migrate to linux [01:06] newuser: If you have an nvidia card, you can use nvidia-settings to set up multi monitor support. [01:06] yes i have nvidia cards [01:07] but i didn't install the drivers... just using what is defaulted [01:07] i don't know how to go to the settings for the nvida cards [01:07] newuser: well, kubuntu is a kde version of the ubuntu distro [01:07] You should install the proprietary drivers [01:07] newuser use binary driver for twinview! [01:07] and then run the "nvidia-settings" command from a terminal or alt+f2 [01:08] newuser: kernco is correct [01:08] o.k. will give that a try... my problem is i don't even know how to manuever through this thing [01:08] so i install the driver for twinview [01:08] and that should do it [01:09] newuser: make sure u have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed [01:10] then run jockey-kde to install binary driver [01:10] ok... what does the restriced extras do? [01:10] holds binary drivers... [01:11] what is the differnce between kubuntu and ubuntu [01:11] newuser: it's scary at first, I did a linux install just this week and it was the first time in 3 years using Linux full time ... I forgot so much. It will come though. Assuming you don't have hardware conflicts, you may end up really really liking it :) [01:11] newuser: definitely check out the links on the ubuntu page, I'm certain there's a tutorial there somewhere [01:11] i hope so i feel so lost :( [01:11] newuser: KDEubuntu [01:12] is kde better? [01:12] It's a preference [01:12] newuser: kde has more newbie features imho [01:12] Since you're in #kubuntu you're probably going to get a biased answer ;) [01:12] lol! [01:13] true [01:13] newuser: also check out #ubuntu in these forums [01:13] lol... i will try installing that one instead [01:13] gnome/kde/xfce/whatever its a question of choice! [01:13] newuser: there's WAY more people on that channel and matches the install disc you used [01:14] newuser: kde vs gnome is simply the graphics setup [01:14] so i take it ubuntu uses gnome [01:14] newuser: right, ubuntu = gnome, kubuntu = kde, xubuntu = xfce [01:15] newuser: correct ubuntu = GNOME, Kubuntu = KDE, Xubuntu = XFCE [01:15] lol [01:15] http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/ [01:15] you know i have a problem setting up my wireless printer on this thing... it isntalled the incorret drivesrs...i have a samsung 315w [01:15] hehe, at least we are consistant Fanfare[afk] :P [01:16] but when i do a test print it says incorrect driver [01:16] newuser: how computer adept are you? [01:16] do u use jockey-kde [01:16] im good with windows bad with linux [01:17] no i haven't used jockey-kde [01:17] i guess i must install that [01:17] newuser: go to menu on top left bar, go to system (I think) and find "hardware drivers" [01:17] newuser: that "hardware drivers" icon is jockey [01:18] jockey-kde is for kde [01:18] you're using gnome [01:18] yes on this one i am [01:18] i didn't know about kde [01:18] and jockey should be installed by default [01:18] check out kde.org [01:18] and gnome.org [01:18] find the links to "screenshots" [01:19] you can also just install the package "kubuntu-desktop" [01:20] i want to install the binary ati fglrx drivers for my gfx card instead of the open source drivers that come with kubuntu... how do i make certain that i have uninstalled ALL open source drivers associated w/ my gfx card? [01:20] newuser: the reason I asked how adept you were, may I reccomend you (just once) try a gentoo install. I did one of those back in 2002 or so and I learned a ton. Of course ubuntu is much different, but you'll understand much more deeply what the hell is going on [01:21] jc0694: did you click the "hardware drivers" icon? [01:21] jc0694: it is in the menu [01:21] applications -> system -> hardware drivers [01:21] i'm using synaptic... how do i do it in synaptic? [01:22] a gentoo install... where would i get that one? [01:22] there's something wrong with the hardware drivers menu... it's not working properly and doesn't show me all drivers installed [01:22] i looked in the hardware drivers and nothing is in there [01:23] newuser: www.gentoo.org ... now keep in mind, I only suggest such a thing if you've got (literaally) days of time and REALLY want to know how the linux stuff works. It makes you compile everything from scratch and modify all the config files by hand [01:24] newuser: after you get the gist of it, re-install Ubuntu :) [01:24] newuser: or you can do it in a virtual window [01:26] newuser: using Gentoo long term becomes a pain because you're constantly tweaking and compiling [01:28] is there instructions on how to install and compile everything? [01:28] newuser: yeah, it's like a hand-holding step by step doc [01:29] ok will have to try that one out later in the week [01:29] newuser: I'm signing off now but I hope you get all your stuff working. :) [01:31] take care [01:32] need to install the fglrx drivers for my gfx card but need to make sure the open source drivers are completely removed... i've tried to go to kmenu -->applications --> system --> drivers but that gui isn't working... help anybody? [01:34] ???? [01:34] thanks for your help [01:47] when most people give a glxgears fps are they in the default windowed mode or full screen? [02:05] is there a way to set amarok's keyboard shortcuts as global? [02:11] jc0694: why did you want to use fglrx instead of the open source ati driver? [02:29] iconmefisto: because the open source drivers are giving me bad fps with glxgears [02:31] icoonmefisto: u there? === maximo is now known as Maximo [02:37] i'm running 4.3.4 and i'm finding that my kde (all of the 4.3's) is very slow and responding... is there any obvious things i can check/change to make this thing feel faster [02:40] Are you running firefox with a lot of flash? (That's frankly my number one slowdown on Kubuntu.) [02:40] nah [02:41] i switched to chromium because it felt faster than firefo [02:41] x [02:41] but either or, same diff [02:42] i need to install the fglrx drivers for my ati driver card instead of the open source drivers but i need to completely remove all of the original open source drivers... anybody know how to do this? [02:43] (I don't know specifics about your system moleman, so I'm just guessing here) It could be compositing, try turning that off (keyboard shortcut, should be shift-alt-F12, if I recall correctly) [02:47] killall plasma-desktop [02:47] helps [02:47] :) [02:48] I suppose that would, you running lots of widgets or something? [02:49] umm [02:49] only a couple on my panel, k button, task bar, system tray and new device notifier, and that quick folder one,... i forget what it's called [02:51] Shouldn't be any issue there. I've seen that happen a few times, especially on my computer that wasn't a new install. [02:52] Nvidia card, by chance? [02:52] i wish [02:53] stupid ati [02:53] glxinfo [02:53] name of display: :0.0 [02:53] display: :0 screen: 0 [02:53] direct rendering: Yes [02:54] server glx vendor string: SGI [02:54] moleman: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [02:54] server glx version string: 1.2 [02:54] ooops [02:54] i don't think fglrx works with this card [02:54] What's your xorg version? [02:56] Version: 1:7.4+3ubuntu10 [02:57] top doesn't show any extraordinary processing [02:57] has 2GB ram [03:04] james_l: thanks for your help [03:04] Can't see anything to explain it. (All my problems had been due to nvidia (or *really* old computers), or some of the exotic widgets.) Sorry I couldn't help more. [03:04] james_l: i removed the default application launcher menu and replaced it with the menu based one [03:04] That fixed it? [03:04] yeah man [03:05] thanks [03:05] must be crashing out or something [03:05] how do I do something for each entry in a map? [03:05] oops [03:05] wrong chan :-) [03:07] I hadn't even noticed that there were two options for that. Good to know for the future. [03:07] i find kde still "laggy" [03:07] but that just fixed the main slowdown i was having [03:57] hello? [03:58] Can anyone tell me how to enable a popup in konqueror for a single web page? [03:59] I'm new to KDE [03:59] is anyone there? === Duskao is now known as Dusque [04:00] hello? [04:03] anybody there? [04:05] hi [04:05] i'm getting no mouse with ioQuake based games it appears. (Nexuiz, WOP, urbanterror). I turned off compositing but that didn't work. Any ideas? [04:08] also, checked my system logs and nothing stands out or mention of mouse. btw, this is kubutu 64bit karmic [04:16] I'm trying to install sun-java6-jre but every time I try to, it isn't fully installing and the EULA isn't coming up? Can anyone help? [04:17] I'm also having issues installing the kubuntu-restricted-extras package, this is all through Kpackagekit [04:19] Dusque: try to do with through console [04:20] haven't tried that yet. Duh I guess eh? trying to install OpenJDK java right now, if it doesn't work, then I'll try through the CL === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [04:22] brb [04:24] Duksque, have you tried installing with Gnome and then installing kde AFTER? Ubuntu with KDE is better than Kubuntu, imo. [04:26] k I'm back [04:29] ok, so java should work fine with konqueror right? [04:40] Duskao: Konq isnt eally a good browser. You should probably use FireFox if that's what you're used to already. Much more powerful. [04:40] eremite: that's interesting what you say about ubuntu + kde. I'll have to try that. why is it better? ubuntu has better default settings, perhaps? [04:41] Whats wrong with konqueror? I really dislike FF [04:42] iconmefisto: I honestly cant answer that. Its just been my experience that Ubuntu with KDE instead of Kubuntu is always better. You can change wich one to boot into, also. I also have Open Box on this machine. [04:42] All the same Ubuntu install. [04:44] I can use Gnome, KDE or OpenBox by selecting which to use at the login screen. [04:44] eremite: well that's normal, no matter which way you install gnome, kde, open box, whatever [04:45] Yes, but starting with Gnome it seems to always work more smoothly than starting with KDE or OB [04:45] That is actually how I was doing it before, but it seemed like there was always gnome overhead when i was running the KDE desktop. It was actually causing crashes and stuff. [04:47] I think I might do some testing in virtualbox and see how different the installs are [04:50] eremite to be honest, I prefer opera over either, but I am having issues with opening .deb files with it. [04:50] eremite: your way bloats the system with qt and gtk plus whatever openbox installs.. too many redundant apps. not to mention all the dependencies for each window manager [04:50] and using getdeb/playdeb [04:51] fujimitsu: My machine can handle it, no problems. None at all, except that Ubuntu Karmic is utter shii'te. [04:52] eremite why do you say karmic is ... not to your liking? [04:52] certainly not recommended [04:52] eremite [04:54] No sound from mic or line-in via speakers, no sound in games, games are laggy (work perfect in Windows same machine), no detecting native screen resolution, freezing when hibernating ro sleeping and needs hard reset, etc. [04:56] sounds like default system configuration doesnt get along with your hardware [04:56] agreed. [04:56] what are you sys specs eremite? [04:56] fujimitsu: It did with every other Ubuntu version. -_- [04:56] did you upgrade or fresh install? [04:57] It was an upgrade. I know, I knoiw, dont need the lecture. Already had it. [04:58] well, that is likely your problem. With all the overhead I'm amazed you have a working comp. [04:59] before you issue karmic a flop you should really try a fresh install. [05:04] wow, this channel is pretty quiet [05:05] sure is [05:05] suppose thats a good thing. Not many issues then eh? [05:05] You should see the Ubuntu channel. Infested with complaints. Scary. [05:06] Yeah, I have been there many times. [05:06] I got sick of Gnome, thats why I'm using Kubuntu now, but as I said I'm still new to KDE, but it's pretty nice once you get used to it. A few issues, but where arne't there? lol === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [05:16] Hello, I have the Yahoo on Kopete and pidgin is not working [05:16] any one can help [05:18] so it's not working on either kopete or pidgin? [05:20] !kopete [05:20] Instant Messenger Client Kopete (http://kopete.kde.org) supports MSN, Jabber, AIM, YIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and, in KDE 3, IRC. See also !Pidgin [05:21] marwan_ Kopete is a good client, it should work as long as you have all the info put in properly. [05:21] pidgin is not required nor is the default IM client for kubuntu [05:22] furthermore, they both do the same thing [05:22] yes i have it works fine with MSN [05:23] just fine but the Yahoo keep trying to log and then stops [05:23] so your problem is only with yahoo?.. maybe their site is down [05:23] have you tried logging in on yahoo? [05:28] how to make linux auto discover another computer on the wlan [05:28] how to make linux auto discover another computer on the wlan? [05:30] how to make linux auto discover another computer on the wlan? [05:32] yes i tried [05:32] how to make linux auto discover another computer on the wlan? [05:33] to log in Yahoo [05:33] did it work? [05:34] no [05:34] it did not work [05:34] thats probably your problem then. Sounds like their server is down. [05:36] i have 4 PC's with and all of them using Kopete and they are not working [05:37] how to make linux auto discover another computer on the wlan? [05:37] i am not sure if this is Problem in my PC [05:37] or other PC's i have [05:40] thats what I mean. it is probably a problem with yahoo right now. [05:40] how to make linux auto discover another computer on the wlan? [05:50] how to make linux auto discover another computer on the wlan? [06:09] onishidato: you only need to ask once... what do you mean "autodiscover"? === z is now known as Guest37574 [06:32] onishidato: autodiscover what and for what purpose? [06:32] for sharing the folder [06:32] onishidato: I'd use SCP/SFTP and avahi [06:33] like in Mac, when we open the root, we can see other computer which open the share folder [06:33] onishidato: startup dolphin [06:33] then in the URL bar [06:33] go to zeroconf:/ [06:34] you should see "Remote disk (fish)" [06:34] hrm, actually, no you won't... [06:34] why? [06:34] onishidato: if you type fish://hostname.local into the URL bar, where hostname is the hostname of the remote machine [06:34] onishidato: Ubuntu doesn't setup ssh/sftp announcments by default [06:35] how can we set it up? [06:35] onishidato: just to verify, do you have an SSH server setup on the computer you want to copy from? [06:36] xjjk: i don't know, i'm new to computer [06:37] plasma-desktop went to hell and wouldn't start. So what I did: mv .kde .kde_rocks; plasma-desktop; find .kde > /tmp/kill; rm -rf .kde; mv .kde_rocks .kde; cat /tmp/kill | xargs rm -v [06:38] neptunepink: that's sort of a weird way to start it... [06:38] Except it broke other configs too. :/ [06:39] neptunepink: yah, it tends to [06:39] It should still have the per-app config though. [06:39] neptunepink: I'd backup only ~/.kde/config/share/config/plasma* [06:39] and then remove them [06:40] copy each back one by one till you find out whats causing the crashing [06:40] I'm going to guess it's an applet [06:40] psh, too much effort. Though i did make a full backup of .kde [06:40] neptunepink: I think messing around with ~/.kde is too much effort, you mess with the settings of all other applications [06:43] Getting rid of plasma* didn't fix it. [06:43] neptunepink: er, so you stopped plasma [06:43] removed those files [06:43] and started again? [06:44] if you remove while plasma is still running, it'll put the files back [06:44] Plasma was kind enough to stop itself, actually. :P [06:44] make sure you're logged out of kde session when you restore files. then log in [06:44] haha, you probably want to verify that [06:44] Perhaps it didn't. I didn't see the widgets anyways. [06:45] neptunepink: kquitapp plasma-desktop [06:46] Why not killall -9? [06:46] neptunepink: that's not necessarily reliable [06:46] it may restart [06:47] i tried to install some new gfx card drivers and now kubuntu won't start... is there a way to revert back to the last working config (like in windows)? [06:47] jb0694: not really [06:48] so i'm screwed? [06:49] I moved the plasma* to another directory; it still failed. It prints out a lot of, "QGraphicsGridLayout::itemAt: invalid index 2" [06:49] xjjk: so that's it... just have to reinstall the os? [06:50] neptunepink: aha, I had that problem... what theme are you using? qtcurve or something instead of oxygen? [06:50] xjjk: Quite so! [06:50] neptunepink: switch back to oxygen [06:50] then start plasma [06:50] it'll work [06:50] also, delete /var/cache/kde*/plasma* [06:50] or something like that [06:51] plasma keeps a cache you need to delete [06:51] once plasma starts successfully, then switch back to your other theme [06:51] anybody help? i installed the wrong gfx card drivers and now kubuntu won't start... do i have any options to revert every thing back the way it was? [06:51] xjjk: There aren't any kde directories under /var/cache. [06:51] ah, but perhaps in .kde [06:52] sorry, /var/tmp [06:52] anybody help? i installed the wrong gfx card drivers and now kubuntu won't start... do i have any options to revert every thing back the way it was? [06:52] !patience | jb0694 [06:52] jb0694: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com/ http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ or http://www.kubuntuforums.net/ while you wait. [06:53] That is where ~/.kde/cache-`hostname` points to. [06:53] all i want is a yes or no so i know what i'm in for... i'm not asking for a solution [06:53] jb0694: Did you install the drivers using the package management? [06:54] yes... synaptic [06:55] Do you remember what the packages were called? [06:56] neptunepink: yes, i unloaded radeon, radeonhd and installed xorg-driver-fglrx (there were a couple of dependant packages that were installed with it) [07:00] jb0694: Undoing that is probably a good idea. [07:01] xjjk: Semi-improvement. It loads the desktop, but freezes. [07:01] neptunepink: with a different theme, or with oxygen [07:01] It shows the desktop background, and freezes I mean. [07:02] Ah, do you mean plasma-theme? [07:02] neptunepink: but how can i undo it if the OS won't even load... i can't even get to the desktop... it just only get's to the kubuntu logo (has bad gfx artifacts) and then freezes [07:02] neptunepink: your KDE widget style [07:03] jb0694: Do you know how to get to the grub menu? You keep hitting escape after turning on the computer. [07:04] is anything gtk installed on kubuntu? [07:04] And then select recovery-mode. [07:04] esc? hmmmmm that didn't work... [07:05] Be aggressive with it. You need to hit it a bunch of times between the BIOS logo and the kubuntu logo. [07:08] neptunepink: ok... i'm in there i think... i see something called xfix where it will try to auto repair gfx problems... should i try that? [07:08] Yes. [07:08] neptunepink: and then resume normal boot? [07:09] yeah. [07:09] um... sorry to bother anyone but how do i change the read write acess on my backup drive? the option in propertys says that i dont have access rights to change the permishions [07:09] i think i'm screwed... it's hanging [07:10] im on 9.10 btw [07:10] jb0694: you need to remove the fglrx driver [07:12] iconmefisto: should i select dpkg for repair a broken package? [07:12] i dont even know howto use linux with hal but i know editing the fstab used to fix permissions on drives [07:12] jb0694: are you at the recovery mode menu? [07:12] yes [07:12] i dont know anything about fstab [07:12] I think it's called "drop to root login" or something [07:13] drop to rooth shell prompt with networking? [07:14] yeah [07:14] once you get to a prompt: apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx [07:15] then type: apt-get autoremove [07:15] xorg-driver-fglrx also installed a couple of dependant packages... will it remove those too? [07:16] apt-get autoremove will remove the others [07:17] hmmm... it worked... should i reboot or try and install the radeon and radeonhd packages? [07:17] then I guess you should install the open source ati driver [07:17] can you tell me the exact package name for the radeonhd? [07:18] hang on [07:19] I think if you install xserver-xorg-video-ati it should get any other packages it needs, including the radeon ones [07:19] apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati [07:20] done... restart? [07:20] yes [07:20] just type reboot [07:20] ratchet_, /etc/fstab [07:20] xjjk: plasma-desktop-appletsrc seems to be the cause. [07:21] neptunepink: interesting... shouldn't be too hard to just delete that and reconfigure everything [07:21] I'm going to try editing it, actually. [07:22] you're the man once again! it worked *major sigh of relief* [07:22] agh, my todo list is on that. >_> [07:22] no more experimenting [07:22] jb0694: ok, so your screen resolution is what it was before? [07:23] ya... looks the same [07:23] Which has the most horribly ugly html, btw... [07:26] i think i'm just gonna have to settle for bad fps in glxgears... i have been doing research on my own and it appears that there are 3 possible drivers for my radeon card. 1) the open source drivers that come with the OS. 2) open source drivers that are fglrx. 3) propietary radeon drivers that are also fglrx. i should be able to download (2) from the online repos right? which package is the fglrx drivers that are open source... i [07:26] thought the radeonhd were the opensource fglrx drivers? [07:29] apt-cache search xserver-xorg-video radeon will show you the radeon drivers [07:30] iconmefisto: but which are the open source fglrx? i thought the radeonhd was the opensource fglrx drivers? is that right? [07:30] but I think when you install xserver-xorg-video-ati it chooses whether you need the radeon or radeonhd driver and installs the right one [07:31] hmmmm... the radeonhd drivers were actually not installed... just the standard radeon drivers [07:31] apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-radeon will show you info about the package [07:32] and do the same for xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd [07:35] iconmefisto: it doesn't say if the radeonhd is the open source fglrx driver... i know where i can get the closed source/proprietary fglrx radeon driver (from ATI's website) but there is supposed to be an open source fglrx driver... i don't know if that is the radeonhd [07:36] jb0694: have you tried the ati radeon guide? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver [07:37] or maybe this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto#ATI%20%28fglrx%29 [07:45] i've seen ur first link... it's tricksy [07:46] hello my preciousssss (that's my golum impersonation.... hahahahahha) === ocs is now known as faLUCE [07:51] hi. I know this is off-topic but: where the version number of a software should be inserted? In the code or in a configuration file? thanks [08:53] maco: ping [08:53] whats up? [08:55] maco: hi there .... I checked but kopete in my installtion does not have a msn plugin .... I use 434 on kubuntu 910 64 bit [08:58] maco: I am using version 0.80.2 that is the version that comes from the repository .... I thought I would tell you after yesterday chat [08:58] ok [08:59] maco: so either is not in the repository, or there is no support in kopete, at least as packaged by kubuntu [08:59] ok [08:59] maybe that was the kde3 version that did it or something [08:59] *shrug* i dont use kopete as i think it's ugly [08:59] (yes, im that shallow about my software) [09:00] Kopete has no problems with MSN at least for me using the amd64. (9.10) [09:02] maco: why shallow? [09:02] james_l: and how di you get the plugin? [09:04] It should be there by default (and has been on all computers I've ever installed kubuntu on, en-i386 or en-amd64), I'm double checking the library it uses. [09:05] james_l: the only MS related stuff my kopete accounts list shows are wlm and winpopup [09:07] Check if you have libmsn0.1 installed? (It's not directly linked to kopete, but it's the only package with msn installed in my computer, I'll go check the plugin) [09:08] james_l: yes, I have it [09:08] Are any other protocols missing? [09:08] james_l: nope [09:09] ... [09:09] james_l: I do not have a SIP plugin though .... but apparently nobody has (from yesterday evening conversation) [09:09] D'oh [09:09] WLM Messenger = MSN [09:10] james_l: oh $§%§&!.... [09:10] james_l: thanks a lot .... someone was telling me to use the msn plugin as starting point, and see if it can be used for SIP [09:10] Yeah, I went to type up all the accounts I had listed, then had a moment, of realizing there wasn't MSN, but it worked. [09:11] james_l: forgot to mention msn = wlm [09:12] james_l: thanks a lot for your help! [09:12] So you don't have it? [09:12] james_l: yes I do have the WLM [09:13] I don't know much about the details of IM, but isn't Jabber (esp Google) more related to SIP? [09:13] james_l: The person who told me about using MSN as a starting point for SIP forgot to mention that the plugin was actually WLM not MSN .... so I looked for MSN [09:13] Glad I could help [09:15] james_l: I do not know the jabber protocol at all, I thought it was a customised xml based protocol [09:28] james_l: what do you use for SIP? [09:54] 你们好啊 === youyou1 is now known as zhouyou === ocs is now known as faLUCE === gspr_ is now known as gspr [10:48] hola [10:48] !es | michele [10:48] michele: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [10:48] oops, [10:48]