[00:00] <kklimonda> hmm, why doesn't shift-alt-tab cycle windows in counter-clockwise direction?
[00:01] <yofel> it does in kde
[00:02] <maxb> Has lucid started drawing a 1 pixel white line down both sides of the desktop background for anyone else?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: overlap shorcuts
[00:02] <BUGabundo> redifine it
[00:02] <yofel> maxb: sounds familiar but I don't remember who said it
[00:03] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, I know I can change it - I'm asking why is it broken (for some time too)
[00:03] <BUGabundo> its in karmic too
[00:03] <kklimonda> ya
[00:08] <histo> ok asking for a password to connect to a windows workgroup that doesn't have one thats new.
[00:09] <histo> Anyone have any ideas. If i choose connect to server and choose windows share it connects and works fine. But if I just try to use the file browser it asks for a pwd for workgroup
[00:10] <histo> looks like a new bug
[00:11] <yofel> histo: *what* asks for a password? nautilus?
[00:11] <Aquiles> hi all
[00:12] <yofel> hi Aquiles
[00:14] <histo> yofel: some dialog box pops up asking for password and username for workgroup
[00:14] <Aquiles> who can help me with a problem? i have dell mini 10 and ubuntu does not recognize monitor
[00:15] <yofel> histo: are you using gnome/kde/xfce/lxde...?
[00:15] <histo> yofel: gnome
[00:15] <histo> yofel: i can post a screenshot somewhere if you want
[00:15] <yofel> histo: as I use kde I doubt that I'll be able to help you
[00:16] <histo> yofel: this is definately some type of bug. Do you experience the same behavior with kde when browsing a network?
[00:18] <yofel> histo: I don't have a /windows/ pc running right now, but I can open the samba share on my server fine in dolphing (no password)
[00:18] <yofel> *dolphin
[00:19] <yofel> Aquiles: what graphics card does the dell mini 10 have?
[00:19] <histo> yofel: so it must be a nautilus issue
[00:19] <histo> yofel: i believe via chipset
[00:19] <histo> yofel: for the dell mini
[00:19] <yofel> well, yeah, I have an integrated intel card too, but even that has a number (945GME)
[00:20] <DanaG> argh... xorg driver isn't enabling multi-finger support... even though the touchpad itself supports multi-finger input!
[00:21] <DanaG> oh, you can bet I'm going to file a bug on that.
[00:22] <BUGabundo>   43.4% (1425.2)   [Rescheduling interrupts] <kernel IPI>
[00:22] <yofel> argh, debugging bash scripts is annoying -.-
[00:22] <BUGabundo> there I'm now stuck in 2.4GHz
[00:22] <BUGabundo> with nill CPU usage
[00:22]  * setuid goes back to lilo... grub and grub2 are irreparably broke in lucid
[00:22] <BUGabundo> yofel: did your system go mad too ?
[00:22] <yofel> BUGabundo: not yet
[00:22]  * DanaG has never had many issues with grub2.
[00:22] <iflema> yofel mini10 Intel GMA 500
[00:23] <yofel> urgh, poulsbo
[00:23] <setuid> DanaG, As long as you can deal with 80x25 consoles, it works great. It has about 5% of the features of grub-legacy, however.
[00:23] <yofel> Sarvatt: any idea what the state of the poulsbo driver is right now?
[00:23] <setuid> grub2 is _really_ stripped down
[00:23] <DanaG> I'm using radeon without KMS right now... but uvesafb works fine for me.
[00:24] <DanaG> try booting text mode and then manually loading uvesafb -- without xorg running.
[00:24] <setuid> I tried uvesafb as well as vesafb+fbcon, and neither worked
[00:24] <DanaG> weird... somehow, your config may be broken?
[00:24] <setuid> Right now, I'm non-bootable, because removing grub toasted my system. I followed these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reverting%20to%20GRUB%20Legacy
[00:24] <setuid> But I don't think anyone actually tested them, they leave you with an unbootable system
[00:30] <histo> setuid: are you trying to get frame buffer working
[00:30] <histo> ?
[00:35] <setuid> histo, Right now, I'm trying to get my system back to booting... removing grub2 and replacing it with grub-legacy, results in a non-booting system. Something is horribly broken in both of these packages.
[00:37] <setuid> histo, I know fb works fine with grub, I just can't seem to get grub2 to get its grimy hands off of my system.
[00:37] <DanaG> did you sudo grub, root (hd0,6), setup (hd0) ?
[00:38] <DanaG> or the similar numbers.  commas outside parentheses are newlines.
[00:38] <setuid> DanaG, Plenty of times, with the right partitions in there
[00:38] <setuid> I think the problem is that removing grub2, removes the .mod files that grub needs to function, so when you're at the "grub rescue>" prompt, nothing works, because there are no modules.
[00:39] <setuid> But I don't recall grub (legacy) using modules
[00:39] <Aquiles> intel graphics 1915 gm
[00:40] <setuid> I'm still trying to figure out what changed in lucid to make it so painfully slow at everything
[00:43] <setuid> What's the command to get extended info on a package _not_ installed on the system? I thought it was 'apt-get info ..'
[00:44] <setuid> apt-cache showpkg... n/m ;)
[01:42] <bjsnider> kov has created a firefox extension that plays flash videos as if they were html 5 video tags, so the underlying gstreamer player is used instead of the flash plugin
[01:42] <DanaG> isoinfo: Short read on old image
[01:43] <bjsnider> actually it's for ephipany and not firefox
[01:48] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/415103
[01:48] <DanaG> grr, still broken for me in lucid.
[01:50] <DanaG> An unhandled exception occurred:
[01:50] <DanaG> coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, NoneType found
[02:35] <setuid> Why does removing plymouth want to remove about 800 packages?
[02:37] <setuid> http://pastebin.com/d3c5ecb2e
[02:38] <DanaG> hmm, gnome-shell still not installable.
[02:39] <RAOF> setuid: Because removing libplymouth2 will remove...
[02:39] <RAOF> Gah.
[02:45] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah, that's passed my threshold; time to make it installable again.
[02:56] <undecim> Whenever I quit a KDE application, often, instead of exiting gracefully it segfaults.
[02:57] <setuid> wahoo! Solved the high-res console problem!
[02:57] <setuid> Can't have plymouth installed if you want to use vesafb from grub
[02:57] <setuid> root=/dev/mapper/sda2_crypt ro vga=37d video=vesafb:mode_option=1920x1200-32,scroll=ywrap,blank=1 elevator=noop noinotify noonotify pci=routeirq noatime norelatime
[02:57] <setuid> That worked
[02:58] <RAOF> And you can't remove libplymouth2, because important stuff is linked against it.
[02:58] <setuid> Apparently everything
[02:59] <setuid> It's like GNOME, it gets into everything
[02:59] <RAOF> Well, no.  Just mountall, which is a dependency of upstart, without which your system is unbootable.
[02:59] <RAOF> You don't have KMS-capable hardware?
[02:59] <setuid> Sure do
[02:59] <RAOF> Why are you using vesafb, then?
[03:00] <setuid> Because there's no other way to get high-res consoles at boot time
[03:00] <RAOF> Well, apart from KMS.
[03:00]  * RAOF has perfectly happy native-res consoles from boot.
[03:00] <setuid> So how do I set that up?
[03:01] <RAOF> Depends on your hardware; Intel should have it automatically enabled, I'm not sure if we've enabled it by default for radeon yet, and nvidia you'll need to use nouveau.
[03:02] <setuid> ah, no can do then... need to use nvidia's native drivers at boot time
[03:02] <setuid> I'll stick with vesafb, it's fast enough
[03:02] <RAOF> Right.  You *don't* have KMS capable hardware.
[03:02] <RAOF> (Well, the binary blob doesn't (and can't, IIUC) implement KMS).
[03:05] <setuid> has bum been modified to work with the new upstart system?
[03:06] <RAOF> No idea.
[03:11] <crimsun> RAOF: I suppose sconklin is the man to poke about nouveau (after he arrives from holiday)
[03:12] <RAOF> Hah.
[03:13] <RAOF> Always it is with someone away ;)
[03:14]  * DanaG won't switch to KMS (currently on radeon UMS) until KMS gets power savings.
[03:14] <DanaG> Right now radeon KMS sucks watts like.... an elephant?  dang, that analogy doesn't work.
[03:15] <crimsun> all I know is that plymouth + NVidia hw + cryptsetup == fail
[03:15] <RAOF> I think plymouth + cryptsetup is currently fail.
[03:16] <RAOF> I don't think you need invoke nvidia hardware :)
[03:16] <crimsun> RAOF: quite probably, though I've only physically verified on NVidia hw
[03:17] <RAOF> crimsun: Well, last time I booted it didn't work on my intel lappy either.
[03:17] <crimsun> probably ole #496765
[03:17] <RAOF> Let's see if updating the kernel module will make nouveau's 3D unbreak.
[03:18] <setuid> There's some serious rpath discrepancies here, when something like ffmpeg, has a hard-dependency on a speech synthesis library
[03:20] <RAOF> That wouldn't be an rpath issue, surely?
[03:20] <setuid> Well, it's a matter of someone getting greedy with their dependency requirements at build and link time
[03:20] <setuid> Just sneezing all kinds of libs into your libpath and CFLAGS is no way to build software
[03:21] <RAOF> What speech synthesis library do you think ffmpeg has an unneeded dependency on?
[03:22] <setuid> I didn't check, but removing espeak and festival wanted to pull out ffmpeg, which then wanted to pull out xine, vlc, and others... and it chained from there.
[03:23] <bjsnider> espeak is part of ubuntu-desktop
[03:24] <setuid> bjsnider, Not very useful though, I yanked it.
[03:24] <setuid> It's still too choppy and mechanical
[03:24] <RAOF> You've got a misunderstanding of the Debian package management system; ffmpeg depends on neither espeak nor festival.
[03:25] <RAOF> You're running lucid?
[03:25] <setuid> RAOF, yes
[03:25] <setuid> RAOF, Looks like libgsm1 was the culpret
[03:27] <RAOF> And why were you removing that?
[03:27] <setuid> Because I was pulling out everything that matched 'speech'
[03:27] <bjsnider> that's not reckless or anything
[03:27] <setuid> hahahaha
[03:28] <bjsnider> you can't do things like that and expect no problems
[03:28] <setuid> I tend to run only what I want to run, I don't need breadcrumbs all over the place.
[03:28] <setuid> Of course, but I left the lib, just dumped the userland apps that used it
[03:28] <setuid> I've got a decade and a half of Linux behind me, I've earned the right to be reckless ;)
[03:29] <bjsnider> well, if you're ripping stuff out because you don't use it then you should start by rolling your own kernel
[03:30] <setuid> I already do that, in fact ;) (I did write the second kernel HOWTO)
[03:30] <setuid> Been building thousands of kernels for years
[03:31] <setuid> I've always despised the way distros build everything possible into the kernel namespace... I understand why, but I don't need that on my machines. I know exactly what hardware they use, run and are capable of.
[03:31] <bjsnider> sounds to me like you've almost forked ubuntu here
[03:32] <setuid> or unforked it ;)
[03:32] <setuid> I come from a Debian background. I'm only using bleeding-edge Ubuntu because I need my sierra and nvidia drivers working properly
[03:33] <DanaG> argh, mainline kernel-ppa packages don't have any of the staging drivers enabled!
[03:33] <crimsun> I'm with Chris here; that clearly isn't an rpath issue.
[03:34] <setuid> crimsun, Looking at the output of readelf -d on ffmpeg, I'd have to agree... but something down the chain is tying ffmpeg to libgsm1. Not important anymore...
[03:35] <RAOF> Well, yes.  ffmpeg is going to depend on libgsm1, because it uses it to decode & encode gsm.
[03:35] <DanaG> I need samsung-laptop driver and rtl8169 driver.
[03:35] <DanaG> the former is only in 2.6.33... but not enabled in kernel-ppa.
[03:36] <setuid> RAOF, Not directly though, it seems
[03:36] <RAOF> It'll do it via libavcodec
[03:36] <setuid>  0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED)             Shared library: [libgsm.so.1]
[03:36] <setuid> Yep, indeed it does
[03:39] <bjsnider> looks like you'll have to keep espeak
[03:39] <RAOF> No; it's perfectly removable, it's an ubuntu-desktop Recommends.
[03:43] <setuid> the lib can stay, the userland can go
[03:56] <Hellow> There's an apparent... uh.. bug with the latest build of Compiz Fusion in the Lucid repos.
[03:58] <Hellow> I had fusion-icon set to autostart on starting of Gnome. I dist-upgraded, rebooted, started GNOME. Things seemed to be going fine until it got to the point of autoloading applications. Apparently fusion-icon was attempting to load CF, and it caused the entire screen to go black except for the cursor (the cursor was still visible and active).
[03:58] <Hellow> The only solution to getting GNOME to start was removing fusion-icon.
[03:58] <Hellow> Now, I was in GNOME, tried running compiz --replace, and it can't find a screen to work on.
[03:58] <Hellow> Odd.
[04:00] <RAOF> Sounds like it might be your graphics drivers, rather than compiz per-se.
[04:00] <Hellow> I'm using xcompmgr with perfect performance right now.
[04:01] <Hellow> I'm using the 195 drivers.
[04:02] <RAOF> Then you might still be running into the opengl problems.
[04:02] <RAOF> Also, wow.  xcompmgr.  Oldschool :)
[04:03] <Hellow> heh
[04:03] <RAOF> Why xcompmgr over metacity's compositor?
[04:04] <Hellow> I like to use Emerald sometimes.
[04:04] <Hellow> Hmm.
[04:04] <Hellow> collin@enterprise:~$ glxgears
[04:04] <Hellow> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[04:05] <RAOF> We have a winner :)
[04:05] <Hellow> Graphics drivers. Yay.
[04:06]  * setuid hugs his nvidia card
[04:06] <setuid> 46944 frames in 5.0 seconds
[04:06] <setuid> 47097 frames in 5.0 seconds
[04:07] <Hellow> I have a nvidia card :P.
[04:07] <bjsnider> setuid, you have to admit that ati makes some awesome graphics drivers
[04:09] <DanaG> mmyeah, vnc + compiz == ouchies
[04:09] <DanaG> especially with a sucky realtek wifi card.
[04:12]  * setuid never drank from the compiz kool-aid
[04:13] <RAOF> setuid: You're missing some useful window management.
[04:13] <DanaG> ironic: it's even WORSE with metacity.
[04:14] <setuid> RAOF, When it works with sawfish, I'll gladly jump. Or, when a window manager comes around that does what sawfish can do, and is compiz-capable, I'll jump.
[04:14] <setuid> Right now, xfce4 comes close, but still isn't matching it
[04:15] <DanaG> Why not just use compiz?
[04:15] <DanaG> argh, vnc disconnected and left my mouse button down.
[04:15] <setuid> And what would I use as my window manager?
[04:15] <RAOF> Compiz?
[04:15] <RAOF> It being a window manager and all.
[04:15] <setuid> hahaahah
[04:16] <setuid> no can do, it too, doesn't give me the flexibility and features sawfish provides... sure, there's eye-candy, but adding the code necessary to get it to behave like sawfish, is more work than I'm willing to put into it.
[04:16] <bjsnider> RAOF, which part of compiz qualifies as useful window management?
[04:16] <RAOF> bjsnider: scale, absolutely.
[04:17] <bjsnider> scale
[04:17] <RAOF> bjsnider: Also, live previews in switcher is pretty good.
[04:17] <bjsnider> i always get them mixed. what does scale do?
[04:17] <RAOF> You might know scale as Exposé
[04:17] <bjsnider> no, that doesn't help
[04:18] <RAOF> The one where you can see all your open windows, scaled down to fit into a grid-ish on the screen.
[04:18] <setuid> Sounds exactly like workspace switcher in GNOME to me
[04:18] <bjsnider> oh, that feature that gnome-shell does automatically in overview mode...
[04:18] <RAOF> bjsnider: Yes, that one.
[04:19] <bjsnider> compiz: bloated bling for its own sake
[04:19] <RAOF> Well, no.  Really useful window management, with crazy bling because it's easy once you've got the framework.
[04:19] <DanaG> Compiz CAN be very useful, once you configure it correctly.
[04:20] <DanaG> The defaults are not ideal, though.
[04:20] <bjsnider> really useful, like seeing rain on your desktop, or fire or something?
[04:20] <DanaG> And it has some extra stuff for people who do want useless... like flames.  Bleh.
[04:20] <DanaG> But no, I don't count those as useful.
[04:20] <DanaG> Lamp animation is a feel-good thing.
[04:20] <DanaG> Scale is massively useful.
[04:20] <DanaG> Cube is nice for peeking at other desktops.
[04:21] <DanaG> weird: http://pastebin.com/f70fd8dc6
[04:21] <RAOF> As is expo, actually.
[04:22] <bjsnider> yeah but gnome-shell already does expo with one mouse-action and one shortcut key, not requiring both hands or anything complicated
[04:22] <RAOF> gnome-shell uses pretty much a subset of compiz's effects.  Not that there's anything wrong with that; some of compiz's effects are really useful :)
[04:22] <DanaG> Gnome-shell also has no friggin' taskbar!
[04:22] <DanaG> That is inexcusable to me.
[04:22] <RAOF> Eh.
[04:22] <bjsnider> it isn't necessary
[04:22] <RAOF> I don't have a taskbar *now*.
[04:23] <RAOF> Scale is my taskbar!
[04:23] <DanaG> Gnome shell also won't even install.  =þ
[04:23] <DanaG> That's pretty epic fail.
[04:23] <DanaG> =þ
[04:23] <RAOF> (Or it would be, if nouveau hadn't broken 3D)
[04:24] <RAOF> Yeah, it FTBFS; I'm investigating.
[04:24] <bjsnider> DanaG, good thing you aren't using an unstable distro, because htings like that tend to happen
[04:24] <DanaG> Well, it's not installable on karmic, either.
[04:24] <DanaG> and it's been like that for a couple of months.
[04:24] <bjsnider> how am i using it right now on karmic then?
[04:24] <RAOF> Really not installable on Karmic?  I thought I'd installed it?
[04:24] <DanaG> hmm, I misremembered.
[04:24] <i_is_broke> hello all long time no see.
[04:24] <DanaG> =þ
[04:25] <i_is_broke> hows things going in the testing zone?
[04:25] <DanaG> Oh, and nvidia binary drivers that I like to gripe about: nvidia 96 ceased being capable of anything but segfaulting... about 2 years ago.  =þ
[04:25] <JontheEchidna> yeah, having a 96 card sucked
[04:26] <setuid> ugh, loading a webpage in a tab in epiphany clears the X clipboard
[04:26] <bjsnider> nvidia's CEO could care less
[04:26] <DanaG> s/could/couldn't/
[04:26] <setuid> I don't even want to know how that bug slipped in
[04:29] <i_is_broke> what is the updated kernel for alpha2?
[04:34] <DanaG> ugh, stupid volume control.... lags behind the OSD for a full 2 seconds!
[04:34] <DanaG> Ridiculous!
[04:35] <DanaG> Okay, 1.5 seconds.
[04:35] <DanaG> still horrible.
[04:40] <DanaG> !find i915_drv_video.so
[04:41] <DanaG> argh.
[04:41] <DanaG> can't use vaapi.
[04:42] <DanaG> stupid realtek wifi card... only gets 100 kilobytes per second.
[07:54] <r00t_ninja> Do the nvidia-173 drivers work with the version of xorg that is currently in ubuntu 10.04?
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[11:44] <BUGabundo_remote> anything changed in SSL recently?
[11:44] <BUGabundo_remote> chromium is snapping like crazy in SSL pages
[12:26] <alkisg> I'm seeing some empty space in the notification area, and if I click on it I get some menus etc about the keyboard layout.
[12:27] <alkisg> Is that a new, indicator-applet based way to handle multiple keyboard layouts?
[12:27] <alkisg> And more importantly, is it supposed to be empty? :)
[12:32] <Salmon> anyone else have troubles with the nvidia-173 driver?
[13:09] <BUGabundo_remote> Salmon: purge anything you got from PPAs, and try again
[13:10] <Salmon> i did before i upgraded
[13:11] <BUGabundo_remote> no, purge ANY packages you have
[13:12] <BUGabundo_remote> seems its still higher then the archive
[13:12] <Salmon> ive purged all nvidia binary driver related stuff if thats what you mean
[13:13] <Salmon> ill grab the error from my xorg log
[13:14] <Salmon> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[13:15] <Salmon> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[13:15] <BUGabundo_remote> Sarvatt: ping ^^^^^^^
[13:15] <BUGabundo_remote> Salmon: try your luck in #ubuntu-x
[13:16] <Salmon> thats the wrong channel thogh isnt it?
[13:22] <yofel> that sounds like the dkms build failed and no module is there
[13:23] <yofel> Salmon: did you try to reinstall the driver?
[13:46] <Ng> has some epic policy decision happened about grub2?
[13:47] <Ng> for the last few days I've noticed apt has been suggesting I remove grub-pc and install grub
[13:48] <arand> Ng: is that not just renaming?
[13:49] <Ng> arand: apt-cache showing each and grepping for Version suggests not
[13:49] <arand> Ng: apparently not when I check, yea ignore my comment
[13:51] <arand> Ng: i've had nothing of the sort, I've heard something about weird python packages depanding on grub or something, so it might just be inconsistencies, are you using grub-legacy on the machine?
[13:51] <Ng> newp
[13:52] <Ng> it's python-vm-builder
[13:52] <Ng> Depends directly on grub for some reason
[13:53] <Ng> yay fix released an hour ago
[13:53]  * Ng shuts up ;)
[14:28] <t0rc> Is Lucid going to have custom login screens? or are we still going to be stuck like in 9.10?
[14:28] <arand> t0rc: there is a blueprint, which hasn't been started on yet https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-gdm-custom-greeter-support
[14:31] <t0rc> arand, thanks
[14:32] <t0rc> arand, any suggestions helping to develop ubuntu?
[14:33] <arand> t0rc: I have no idea, I generally just test and bug-report.
[14:34] <arand> t0rc: If you want to start hacking on the gdm greeter, I don't think mr Ancell would stop you.
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> t0rc: ask in #ubuntu-dev and  #ubuntu-motu
[14:37] <Pici> *devel
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> or go directly to upstream gnome
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> Pici: ==
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> its an alias
[14:38] <Pici> BUGabundo_remote: I know it forwards
[14:46] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone else having nautilus close it self after moving files ? (ext4 2.6.32-10-generic)
[14:55] <bjsnider> BUGabundo_remote, did you do chromium updates today?
[14:56] <BUGabundo_remote> I do twice a day, yes
[14:57] <bjsnider> can you load http://espn.go.com
[14:58] <BUGabundo_remote> oh snap
[14:58] <BUGabundo_remote> been like that since yesterday morning
[14:58] <bjsnider> then it isn't a bug here
[14:58] <BUGabundo_remote> specialy for several SSL sites
[14:58] <BUGabundo_remote> fta says WFH
[14:58] <BUGabundo_remote> so he aint fixing it
[15:19] <edgy> Hi, non-english filenames appear as ?????????? . It used to work before, any hint?
[15:25] <yofel> edgy: that sounds like utf-8 broken
[15:25] <yofel> what does 'echo $LC_ALL' give you on a terminal?
[15:26] <edgy> yofel: no value
[15:26] <yofel> and echo $LANG
[15:26] <edgy> yofel: C
[15:27] <yofel> ok, thats ascii english, so you're not using utf-8
[15:27]  * yofel sighs
[15:27] <yofel> iirc you're the 3rd person I hear that from...
[15:28] <edgy> yofel: may be the utf-8 config files is removed with an update or something?
[15:28] <edgy> yofel: how can I reinstall it?
[15:28] <yofel> could be, but I'm not sure. what does 'sudo locale-gen' do?
[15:29] <edgy> yofel: it generates the locales but how can I choose one or the other?
[15:30] <yofel> hm...... I really don't know much about locales, you could try something like 'export LANG=en_US.UTF-8' in a terminal, but that might only work for that terminal
[15:31] <yofel> did you check your language support settings?
[15:37] <BUGabundo_remote> pt_BR.UTF-8... done
[15:37] <BUGabundo_remote>   pt_PT.UTF-8... done
[15:45] <edgy> yofel: I don't know where is that. I don't want to change the GUI language after all.
[15:45] <yofel> edgy: what desktop environment do you use? gnome/kde/xfce/...?
[15:46] <edgy> yofel: kde
[15:46] <yofel> edgy: also, did locale-gen say '... done' or '... up-to-date' ?
[15:47] <edgy> yofel: it says done even if I repeat it many times
[15:47] <yofel> hm, then I'm out of ideas, the language  settings in kde are in systemsettings->regional&language
[15:48] <yofel> if you want to try that
[15:48] <edgy> yofel: yes that region&language is for changing the interface language which I don't want. any way thanks a lot for your tips
[16:01] <edgy> Does smplayer works for you? I am getting mplayer has finished unexpectedly
[16:04] <BUGabundo_remote> edgy: known
[16:05] <BUGabundo_remote> I've reported it
[16:05] <BUGabundo_remote> it was closed upstream as a packing bug
[16:05] <BUGabundo_remote> I should update LP bug
[16:05] <BUGabundo_remote> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=913573&aid=2909634&group_id=185512
[16:05] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/smplayer/+bug/493188
[16:05] <edgy> BUGabundo_remote: thanks for the clarification
[16:06] <hoopoo> Hi room
[16:09] <BUGabundo_remote> hoopoo: you scared the bot :D
[16:10] <hoopoo> OH no:)
[16:20] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote, why are you so remote? :/
[16:27] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: at work, doing NX remote to home. so don't expect a quick reply
[16:28] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: used to connect via wwebchat, but now its nicer
[16:49] <kklimonda> what is ubuntu1 music store about? is there some document that explains it (how, where, what bands, for how much etc.)
[16:50] <BUGabundo_remote> not that I know of
[17:28] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone else having nautilus close it self after moving files ? (ext4 2.6.32-10-generic)
[17:35] <robin0800> kklimonda: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/ubuntu-one-music-store-answers/
[17:36] <kklimonda> thanks
[17:37] <kklimonda> not much
[17:40] <robin0800> kklimonda: your right this is better http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/ubuntu-music-store-lucid.html
[17:48] <johanbr> Hmm... the splash doesn't work for me and I get this in syslog: "Jan 19 09:33:21 saturn init: plymouth main process (391) terminated with status 1"
[17:48] <johanbr> any idea what the problem could be?
[17:50] <_stink_> i'm trying to install openssh-server on lucid and getting a 404 from aptitude.  any advice?
[17:51] <johanbr> run "aptitude update"
[17:51] <johanbr> if that doesn't work, your mirror is not working properly
[17:52] <_stink_> thanks.  i think i forgot the update.  silly me :P
[17:56] <johanbr> for what it's worth, my splash problem seems to be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/509328
[18:21] <genii> _stink_: I think it's just ssh now
[18:23] <_stink_> genii: openssh-server seemed to work fine after apt-get update
[18:25] <genii> _stink_: Looking at packages.ubuntu.com it looks like openssh-server is still there, yes, and now meta-package is just ssh
[18:28] <_stink_> gotcha
[19:03] <Lyaa> hya
[19:05] <Lyaa> is there a preferred way to influence on network module ordering while loadin in *initramfs* ?
[19:06] <Lyaa> (actually, I wanted to ask that in #ubuntu-boot - but the channel seems to be obsoleted)
[19:06] <genii> Lyaa: As I understand they are loaded in the order they are given in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[19:07] <Lyaa> genii: right - that should be the (documented elsewhere) behaviour.. but at least in Lucid that is not the case..
[19:09] <Lyaa> i'm currently testing the "rootfs-on-iscsi" in Lucid and the second NIC (not connected to the iscsi target) gets loaded first and the iscsi-hook only probes on eth0..
[19:10] <Lyaa> i've also tried to blacklist the other module with cmdline like: .. blacklist=r8169 ..
[19:11] <Lyaa> but that's not evaluated either..
[19:17] <genii> Lyaa: /
[19:17] <genii> Bah
[20:01] <komputes> Does anyone here have openarena installed on 10.04?
[20:05] <kklimonda> is there some known problem with suspend/resume nvidia and artefacts wen compiz is enabled?
[20:06] <johanbr> kklimonda, I get that too
[20:06] <kklimonda> good to know, I don't trust my nvidia anymore
[20:07] <johanbr> I suspect some suspend quirk was lost in the move from HAL to pm-utils
[20:07] <acicula> how is lucid, saw it was already onto the second alpha
[20:08] <acicula> i tried to get it to run under Virtual PC but that didnt go very well(due to virtual pc though)
[20:08] <kklimonda> acicula, well - works fine for me
[20:08] <kklimonda> there is nothing worth updating for though
[20:09] <acicula> heh i wont try then
[21:19] <edgy> Hi, is the fix to bug #504198 committed?
[21:19] <edgy> I don't even have a package eglibc!
[21:24] <RAOF> edgy: Yes you do; it builds libc6, which is linked to practically everything on your system.
[21:26] <edgy> RAOF: but my libc6 version is 2.11.1-0ubuntu1 and they are talking about eglibc - 2.11~20100104-0ubuntu, how can I tell whether the fix committed or not?
[21:27] <RAOF> “aptitude changelog libc6” will grab the changelog of your libc6 package; that will tell you that you've got the fix.
[21:30] <edgy> RAOF: thanks for this nice tip. It seems it's committed already but I wonder why am I facing the same problem!
[21:33] <edgy> RAOF: when I type in my local language I got ????, do you know any hint?
[21:34] <RAOF> edgy: Do you have the same symptoms of that bug?
[21:34] <edgy> RAOF: my locale support is also broken but not getting the exact error that bug have
[21:35] <RAOF> So it's probably a differet problem.
[21:37] <edgy> RAOF: do you know how can I change my default locale? better from GUI
[21:39] <RAOF> System->Administration->Language Support should do it.
[21:43] <edgy> RAOF: I am using kubuntu and don't have these menus
[21:44] <RAOF> Ah.  Well, there's likely to be something similar for kubuntu, but I'm not familiar enough.
[21:47] <RAOF> There is a #kubuntu+1 channel, I believe.  You might have better luck there?
[21:47] <bjsnider> isn't it called kubuntu-devel?
[21:48] <yofel> RAOF: #kubuntu+1 forwards here as this is any_buntu+1
[21:48] <edgy> I didn't know there is a channel for kubuntu+1 but it seems bjsnider and yofel are right
[21:49] <bjsnider> i'm always right, except when i'm wrong
[21:49] <yofel> edgy: kubuntu+1 sends you here, but the most knowlegeble people about kubuntu are indeed in #kubuntu-devel
[21:49] <yofel> bjsnider: lol
[21:50] <yofel> edgy: you should state that you're using lucid
[21:50] <yofel> (in #kubuntu-devel)
[21:50] <edgy> yofel: thanks for the hint
[21:55] <histo> Does anyone know if intel graphics has been updated in lucid?
[21:55] <histo> I'm having a hell of a time with karmic on a friends system with an intel gma 950
[21:55] <yofel> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel | histo
[21:55] <histo> Flash skipping horribly
[21:56] <RAOF> Yes, intel graphics have been updated; I don't know if that'll fix your problem.
[21:56] <histo> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel karmic
[22:15] <arand> komputes: openarena runs fine (albeit very slowly (no surprise)) in my Lucid virtualbox.
[22:15] <komputes> arand: thanks for testing, may be my driver that makes it dark then
[22:19] <duffydack> running grub-install /dev/sda in  my karmic installation after removing the lucid partition, its asking for --root-directory, is it /boot or /  ?
[22:19] <arand> duffydack: normally /
[22:22] <duffydack> ta
[22:25] <arand> How very logical, I am able to run openarena (albeit slowly) but it refuses completely to enable desktop effects >_<
[22:27] <histo> arand: are you running openarena in software mode?
[22:28] <arand> Hmm, might be, I don't set anything in particular..
[22:29] <arand> histo: hmm, where would I actually tell if it were?
[22:33] <Some_Person> When is lucid's freeze?
[22:33] <RAOF> In the topic :)
[22:33] <arand> !release
[22:33] <RAOF> Under “schedule”
[22:34] <duffydack> nice to see the `manually add partition in live installer` bug fixed in dailys
[22:35] <histo> arand: run glxinfo | grep render in terminal
[22:35] <histo> arand: see if direct rendering is enabled
[22:36] <histo> RAOF: under schedule that link is outdated
[22:37] <histo> RAOF: neither of those links seem to show feature freeze
[22:39] <RAOF> histo: You're looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule?action=show&redirect=LucidLynxSchedule , right?  I see FeatureFreeze at Feb 18th.
[22:39] <RAOF> histo: Also, “glxinfo | grep render” doesn't work as a 3D-is-working-herustic anymore; the mesa software renderer now supports direct rendering, so that check will always return true.
[22:40] <arand> histo: hmm, seems to be a few errors by the guest utils there.. "OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer" < Implies SW rendering?
[22:40] <Some_Person> What is ubuntu's policy concerning prerelease software making it into the release?
[22:41] <histo> arand: what type of renderer.
[22:42] <arand> Some_Person: I guess it all depends on importance/impact.
[22:42] <RAOF> arand: Yes, that means you're using mesa's software renderer.
[22:43] <RAOF> arand: That's why desktop-effects aren't starting; they explicitly test for the software renderer and bail if you're using it.
[22:44] <DanaG> interesting... this geforce6200 igp has the same window-resize/maximize lag that people complain about ATI having.
[22:47] <Some_Person> How (un)stable is lucid at this point?
[22:48] <arand> Hmm, then, if openarena can, why can't compiz run in software mode ;/
[22:49] <RAOF> arand: Because it'll be (a) slow, and (b) I don't think GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap works correctly with the software renderer.
[22:53] <arand> Heh, I'd take the sluggishness anyday if it allowed testing on VMs...
[23:55] <DanaG> yargh, http://live.gnome.org/Metacity/MpxHowto
[23:55] <DanaG> why has this stuff not been integrated upstream?
[23:55] <DanaG> It's been 2 years, roughly.